Led Zeppelin - Behind The Music PART 2 (REACTION)

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@TammyBerry-pl4pd Ай бұрын

Will never ever be another Led Zeppelin!!❤

@petoasaurus Ай бұрын

"No, 'Shugg is the Peter Grant of the...' is how it is." Well said La.

@davidpaulk785 Күн бұрын

Peter Grant has a book ( autobiography) called " How I Led Zeppelin". Dude went so far as to rent a helicopter for aerial pics to determine crowd density.

@old_hippie1969 Ай бұрын

I saw LZ in 1969 at Merryweather Post Pavilion in Columbia Md. They were the opening act for The Who and blew them away, it was epic ✌️💙😎

@jenniferfoster1692 Ай бұрын

Wow, you're so lucky to have seen that.

@wayneholness6090 Ай бұрын

Maybe that’s why Pete Townsend disrespects them

@lyndoncmp5751 Ай бұрын

@wayneholness6090 Townshend even denied it. He said "we topped what they did". I think he was delusional.

@doriwiljt Ай бұрын

I LOVE LZ 3

@PeterTea Ай бұрын

How did the Who follow them up? I always wondered if that was the start of Townsend’s ire towards them.

@Michael-Philip Ай бұрын

Peter Grant was a gangster, check out Grant in the opening scene in the movie "Song Remains the Same" He comes in with guns blazing. lol

@CANDOKNOWHOW Ай бұрын

Yeah, that scene is awesome.. La and Chi will love that whole Live concert movie straight through.

@rick063092 Ай бұрын

You left out Richard Cole

@fredshred5194 29 күн бұрын

Worked in the Fairground business and being a pro Wrestler is a formidable mix.

@susiedawson3349 Ай бұрын

Now I'm awaiting part 3. 🥰

@darrylbennett4297 Ай бұрын

Twenty years ago I took a contract to work on a boat in Florida, it was hard work and long days. I shared a hotel room with 4 guys and we were tired. We were watching tv and decided to hit the hay just then this special came on the tv and we all sat down and marvelled. Zep forever

@Frankincensedjb123 Ай бұрын

What's funny is that LZ III has always been one of my favorite albums. I'm a hard rock guy, but great songs come first, from any genre. The acoustic work on that album is magical, but the whole album is great: the haunting counter punch of the eerie strings in Friends, the powerful multi-tracking of guitars on Celebration Day, the lilting, haunting slide in That's the Way, on and on. Greatness.

@danmayberry1185 Ай бұрын

Weekly album chart at 8:15 1. Led Zeppelin II 2. Beatles - Abby Road 3. Rolling Stones - Let It Bleed

@trexpixx4590 Ай бұрын

Remember, Zeppelin did not release singles and would not be on those lists. They did albums.

@danmayberry1185 Ай бұрын

No singles and you lose your label ... but Peter Grant ...

@pt9167 Ай бұрын

$200,000 in 1969 equals about 1.7 million today. So each member got about 400k. Not too shabby.

@nononobutyeah Ай бұрын

The younger brother always gets down to the crux of every matter. Objectivity from both.

@jaquestraw1 Ай бұрын

It's funny I felt that way back in the day about III, now it's one of my favs

@tanyaweathersby9393 Ай бұрын

❤❤❤Robert ❤❤❤

@bobpetereson5177 Ай бұрын

I really look forward to you guys going through these parts. Really good stuff! Hopefully total Albert Hall is next! There's a free small clips from that show in here. I promise you're going to love it!

@davidenders9282 Ай бұрын

A good read is Bring it on Home, the biography of Peter Grant, the story of rock's greatest manager.

@MichaelWojciechowski-k4u Ай бұрын

In case you guys didn't hear 😊There is an authorized Led Zeppelin movie coming out. I believe the end of this year. Maybe you wanna check that out also

@susiedawson3349 Ай бұрын

Yes, It's called Becoming Led Zeppelin.

@sumonjamal1653 Ай бұрын

Peter Grant was invested in Led Zeppelin and he suffered the same hardships as the band on tour... He never took more than what was owed to him and made sure that the 4 members were paid and taken care of... That was how Led Zeppelin became millionaires within a few years. He got the lucrative record deal from Atlantic Records w/ a good royalty rate... Then, he demanded the label pay the packaging & artwork costs (Led Zeppelin's record artwork were very intricate after 'Led Zeppelin II' ) Peter Grant saw the numbers Zeppelin drew in concerts (This was when tickets were $5 to $10) and it was 2-to-3 times more than The Rolling Stones... So, he demanded 90% of the concert revenue when Led Zeppelin toured and had a goon squad to help him collect... The promoters protested but gave in - 10% of Led Zeppelin was not much but they got to book the biggest band in the world. However, years later... the gangster management and chaos turned the promoters against Led Zeppelin. At some point in 1977, they decided that Led Zeppelin were not worth the trouble and would not book them in the US. Other bands were not as lucky... Black Sabbath were signed in England by late 1969 and the band changed managers to Patrick Meehan from Jim Simpson... Apparently, their record contract gave their managers the majority of royalties from record sales (Aerosmith also discovered that their managers in the 70's had 50% of their song publishing rights and royalties) ...Furthermore, Sabbath was not invested in marketing their albums the way Zeppelin were; that was how their 2nd album 'Warpigs' in 1970 was re-titled 'Paranoid'... and their 4th album 'Snowblind' was re-titled 'Volume 4'... without the band's permission. Ozzy Osbourne said that they were soon living in mansions, partying w/ drugs and booze and groupies, money to burn by the early 70's... However, former manager Jim Simpson sued the band, and Black Sabbath discovered that their finances all went to manager Patrick Meehan and his company... For example, Meehan collected $250K for Black Sabbath's gig at California Jam '74 and paid each member $1000 each. In 1974, they discovered that the band was broke... They cut ties to Meehan, only for him to sue them and they had to take a year off to attempt to self-manage Black Sabbath without much success. Ozzy grumbled that the first 5 Black Sabbath albums were made to make music... and the last 3 were made to pay the lawyers...

@Bluewizard7131 Ай бұрын

They didn't want to release singles and were upset when Atlantic released one. That's why they didn't have songs hit the charts like you would think. But, the albums sure hit the charts!

@jayw8494 Ай бұрын

There’s a one hour documentary on KZbin about Peter Grant. It’s called Peter Grant Mr Rock & Roll

@cre8tivone Ай бұрын

Peter was the Godfather of the music business! He made Atlantic Records an offer they couldn’t refuse! 😁

@CosmicVagabondPixie Ай бұрын

Awww YAY i am so **HappyDelighted** YOU are doing these!!! So freakin **Facsinating** riiiight??? WOW they are just **Beyond**

@KelE-mq8bv Ай бұрын

Baroness Eva von Zeppelin was a decendant of Ferninand von Zeppelin, who was the namesake and pioneer of the zeppelin type of aircraft. She was honored this band was named after her family, until she saw their first album cover which had a picture of the Hindenburg disaster.

@jenniferfoster1692 Ай бұрын

I love this documentary look behind the LZ scenes. Yes, it's really crazy all the rock legends who died within 1 year of each other, Janis, Jimi & Jim. I can't imagine what it was like for rock fans to lose them all. Then the Beatles breaking up, I hadn't thought about the timeline with Led Zeppelin and those events & how it opened rock up for them. Interesting points about Suge Knight & Peter Grant, too, lol! Great reaction, guys! Thank you.

@ingibjorggujonsdottir3760 Ай бұрын

They came to Reykjavik, Iceland in June 1970 having released LZ I and II, and the gig was different than anything we had ever heard, just after their gig in Reykjavik, they wrote about us Vikings in Iceland, Immigrant Song. I saw them enjoy the Icelandic midnight sun and our hot springs flowing! Best regards from Immy.

@CANDOKNOWHOW Ай бұрын

When they spoke about “Heavy Metal”, it’s interesting to consider that Sabbath released their debut around the exact same time as Zeppelin was releasing theirs. If I recall correctly, the really hard hitting stuff was sort of sparse, and usually bands would have some heavier hard-driving tunes here and there, with Sabbath being the consistently hardest of those times. Other hard rock parallels would be some criminally underrated and lesser known Stooges (w/ Iggy Pop), Mountain, Blue Cheer, and the band that got the Stooges signed, the same band playing in the park when the infamous Chicago Democratic Convention Police Riots of 1968 broke out, The MC5. Another hard hitting rock band on the more traditional rock style was The SONICS out of Seattle, WA, and most anything by Link Wray, who really pushed his amps into feedback levels when playing Live. Hendrix passed in ‘71, so he was melting minds in ‘69 (Same year as Woodstock) when Zeppelin’s debut was released. Jimi could hit real hard and heavy, but would also take it in different directions, with slower blues numbers or spacey jazz interludes. People cite The Beatles “Helter Skelter” as a precursor to Metal, but as far as song structure goes, I’d say you really can’t discount The Kinks early singles “You Really Got Me” and my personal fav “All Day and All Night” really set the pace for that to happen. At this same time, you also had some other hard hitters like The Who “My Generation” (among others) and CREAM’s album “Disraeli Gears”, which is definitely on the heavier side, production wise. Alice Cooper is very noteworthy and often overlooked when people talk about metal. His band was kind of disjointed on the first two, but really came together for some solid heavy albums both in 1970, “Love It To Death” and “Killer”. Both are 10/10 and totally worthy of reacts going song by song, straight through. Lotsa good bands began jumping on the bandwagon after late 70’s, and as early as ‘74, The Ramones formed and then released their debut which became something of a template to punk rock, influencing innumerable bands to form, just as the Beatles had, some 20+ years earlier.

@sicotshit7068 Ай бұрын

Oddly Led Zeppelin didn’t consider themselves metal, & I agree with them, some hard rock yes they were.

@CANDOKNOWHOW Ай бұрын

@ Oh yeah, totally.. cause no one was really using that term back then. I don’t think people were even using that to describe Sabbath on the first album even, though admittedly I’m unsure of when it was first applied as a term to describe the difference between Hard Rock or what they had called Hendrix and others, “Acid Rock”, with something heavier, evoking the term “Heavy Metal”. If I remember correctly, it was a rock critic, a journalist writing for a music magazine who coined the term, but I would think it wouldn’t have been until Sabbath’s “Master of Reality” that it was said. I know my older siblings were all steeped in music back then, and they never described Zeppelin as Metal, but it’s been in more recent years, that I’ve heard different rock critics make that link that they had influenced what would become known as Metal, just as they would often say that “Communication Breakdown” influenced Punk. I remember hearing people say that back in the mid-80’s early-90’s. One thing for sure was that people who were fans of Sabbath and Deep Purple were pretty much guaranteed fans of Led Zeppelin. As far as Zeppelin’s perspective goes, it seems they were following Hendrix’s lead as well as Cream of playing mostly amped up Blues. Much of their debut was reworked Blues covers, as well as the Joan Baez cover mentioned “Babe, I’m Gonna Leave You”. We can definitely thank the Stones for getting that whole Blues revivalism thing going, as from their beginning, a couple of years before Hendrix hit the scene in ‘67, though we’d have to include the Yardbirds into the Blues rock scene. So Zeppelin was doing an electrified Blues set, with folk influencing their ballads. Later they would dip into traditional Rock N’ Roll stylings like on “Rock And Roll”, which made listeners of that era reflect back to 20 years earlier when Chuck Berry and Buddy Holly type stuff was the happening new thing. They also had the harmonica stuff undoubtedly being influenced by stuff like Blues harp player Little Walter, the Guthrie-Dylan folk side, Canned Heat, and of course The Paul Butterfield Blues Band.

@lyndoncmp5751 Ай бұрын

"When they spoke about “Heavy Metal”, it’s interesting to consider that Sabbath released their debut around the exact same time as Zeppelin was releasing theirs." Well, Led Zeppelin already had TWO albums out before Sabbath released their first. Led Zeppelin released January 1969. Led Zeppelin II released October 1969. Black Sabbath released February 1970 (not until June 1970 in the US). As for Helter Skelter, Led Zeppelin were already formed and playing Dazed and Confused and Communication Breakdown live to the public before Helter Skelter was even finished nevermind released. So Zeppelin's songs were heard by the public first. 😁 Just saying.

@sicotshit7068 Ай бұрын

@@lyndoncmp5751 Led Zeppelin I was released in the US on January 12,1969, & Europe in March 1969, not sure what day right off hand.

@CANDOKNOWHOW Ай бұрын

@@lyndoncmp5751 Wow, you’re right.. I stand corrected, at least on the point that LZ released those first two the same year, and although Sabbath recorded the debut in ‘69, it wasn’t released till the beginning of ‘70.. following up with Paranoid in September of ‘70. It’s crazy how prolific so many bands were during this time frame, the music scene was really exploding with great material from most every corner of the industry around those times. I love the songs, but I don’t really see much parallel between Helter Skelter and LZ’s reworking of Dazed and Confused by Jake Holmes. I can see the a link between HS and Communication Breakdown though, in tempo and intensity of attack. Kind of an over the top, fuzzed out play on Chuck Berry’s choppy style in both cases. Ultimately I see LZ as a Blues/Folk Rock band who carved out a solid niche of what can qualify as Hard Rock, but not Metal. Though I think they definitely had a heavy influence on it, just as Hendrix did sonically. That being said, I think The MC5 and The Stooges were way more aggressive than LZ or Sabbath, though they weren’t what anyone would call Metal either.. more like High Energy Hard Rock. Sabbath seems to truly define Metal, the heavy sound, the down tunings, the dark and sinister persona. There were other heavy songs predating their debut, but I think all were one-off’s and not a consistent style applied to any bands total output.

@klasseact6663 Ай бұрын

This series "VH1 Legends" was awesome and they did one on SRV, so I'm sure all of us subs will be looking forward to watching and listening to that together as well❗️ I love watching you guys become more and more enlightened to these ICONS, I look forward to each and every video📣

@petoasaurus Ай бұрын

Great book is "Hammer of the Gods" by Stephen Davis, which covers Grant's management and the violence Plant mentioned.

@susiedawson3349 Ай бұрын

When you guys putting out part 3? Love your reactions to Zeppelin and the Allman Brothers. Two bands with great singers. Very different styles but both Gregg and Robert are in the top 5 of rock/blues singers.

@seanpaula8924 Ай бұрын

So been waiting for this. "Becoming Led Zeppelin" movie is supposed to be released soon. Authorized by the band members.

@sumonjamal1653 Ай бұрын

Led Zeppelin rose pretty fast, compared to The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, The Who... They played their first gigs in the Fall of 1968 as Led Zeppelin ... and had a #1 album ('Led Zeppelin II') by the Fall of 1969... Granted that Jimmy Page had been playing in The Yardbirds since 1966... (The Beatles as a rock n' roll band started playing in 1960 and were signed by 1962 and a global phenomenon by 1964) The story of Led Zeppelin playing on Danish TV... An old woman Baroness Von Zeppelin was outraged that Led Zeppelin were using her family name and demanded the performance be stopped... She came to the TV studios and freaked when she saw the album cover on display and created a huge fuss right up to the moment Led Zeppelin started playing live on camera... And they were truly the people's band... the media hated them and always compared them to The Beatles or The Rolling Stones... and they endured hostile press coverage including reviews that trashed their albums in print... By 1971, Peter Grant had enough and decided that Led Zeppelin would not do any more press or interviews... and no TV appearances... If u wanted to see Led Zeppelin, u had to buy a concert ticket. And that made fans even more devoted to the band because unlike The Beatles, Led Zeppelin were never splashed all over magazines and print media and that increased demand for the band. Back then, u would always see The Rolling Stones on TV performing or doing interviews... However, they were selling considerably less than Led Zeppelin in the early 70's. One of the reasons they recorded 'Led Zeppelin III' was to expand the band's sound... they didn't want to be a 'heavy rock' band exclusively - they wanted to be known for their variety, much like The Beatles and The Rolling Stones... But the album undersold... However, it did give Zeppelin more musical parameters to work w/ which resulted in their biggest album 'Led Zeppelin IV' in 1971.

@lyndoncmp5751 Ай бұрын

Even III was number one in both Britain and America though. The Who never even had one number one album in America, and only one in the UK.

@marksimpson1991 Ай бұрын

When the first album hit it was HUGE, but only for those who knew what it was. It wasn't on the radio. There was no Internet. You had to have the album and a turntable to play it on. Not everyone did. And having Jimi and Janis die so close together was really devastating. I remember those two days clearly, and that was long ago. So when Zeppelin hit it was a revelation, and exactly what we need to lift us up again.

@twobeer3316 Ай бұрын

The performers getting most of the money, the way it should be...

@EclecticInstinct Ай бұрын

Loving your reactions to Peter Grant.

@Timshot100 Ай бұрын

You need to watch that Danish TV concert is intimate and awesome

@anthonyblakely399 Ай бұрын

We like ed Zeppelin because their music was unfiltered. Uncensored. We Love them. We bought their albums because there was a lot hardcore music on them!!!

@joescott8877 Ай бұрын

"Suge Knight was the Peter Grant of the 90's" 🤣 The book you said you wanted, La, is called "Peter Grant: The Man Who Led Zeppelin." I haven't read it, but it's considered the definitive bio of him, I think. By Chris Welch, who's written numerous very popular books on Zeppelin. A fave Grant story of mine is very early on, he didn't feel Bonham was respecting Page's request to chill out with so many drum fills during a recording session , he told Bonz that if he didn't cool it, he could "leave by any WINDOW!" 🤣

@78zappaf Ай бұрын

Great to see part 2!

@susiedawson3349 Ай бұрын

YAY!! I've been waiting for this! Thanks La and Che!!

@old_hippie1969 Ай бұрын

When I saw them I think lawn seating was $3.75 or $4.00. Merryweather is a outdoor venue ✌️💙😎

@DisneyMaks Ай бұрын

We need part 3 🙏🏻

@dbclassic8733 Ай бұрын

Love this fellas. Awesome

@RazzleDazz72 Ай бұрын

You guys liked Zep 3 better than In Through the Out Door and you went bananas over Since I’ve Been Loving You.

@johngolden5257 Ай бұрын

13th bday present from my parents, Tuesday June 8, 1977 MSG. I still have my ticket stub and program. As a 12 year old drummer, Bonzo was my god!

@susiedawson3349 Ай бұрын

At one show an employee of the venue slapped Peter Grant's son and got his ass beat by Grant, Bonham, and a couple of other Zep's roadies. They were arrested, paid a fine and were released. Don't mess with Grant's son or the members of Zeppelin!

@johnnyallen5736 Ай бұрын

Thanks great reaction as always!!!!

@marksimpson1991 Ай бұрын

Read WHEN GIANTS WALKED THE EARTH. Excellent book that tells the whole story!

@joescott8877 Ай бұрын

Vouch. EXCELLENT bio.

@monkface 29 күн бұрын

Do you guys remember in the beginning of the Song Remains the Same film when Peter Grant and his crew went in with machine guns and fancy British suits and shot up the whole place??! Well now you know what that symbolized and represented!!!

@edsmith3461-z7m Ай бұрын

LZ didn't start out slow, their first album was #10 in the US, 2nd album was #1 , 3rd was #1, 4th was #2, 5th was #1.

@samuraijacques952 Ай бұрын

You notice those top three albums when they knocked Abbey Road out of number one? Zep, Beatles, Stones. Not a bad lineup

@joescott8877 Ай бұрын

I just checked and there is another well-regarded bio of Peter Grant (also 4.5 stars on Amazon) called "Bring it on Home: The Story of Peter Grant, etc" Also haven't read that one. To Che's pertinent question of "How?" was the female journalist "attacked," apparently a drunken Bonham (in "Beast" mode--Supercool sober, he could be an a-hole when drunk, which was all too often as time went on) and possibly another band member or even two "grabbed at" her (she's been vague about it). Who pulled Bonzo off her? Peter Grant.

@fredshred5194 29 күн бұрын

The band didn't do interviews, and then it's revealed the critics hated them. Well lets join the dots here.

@sicotshit7068 Ай бұрын

Some of Steven Tylor’s narratives is wrong. The bands first rehearsal was on August 19,1968, Plant turned 20 the next day. Bonham had turned 20 on May 31st. They also did 6 gigs in Scandinavia, as the New Yardbirds, in September of 1968. Recording for their first album, which Page & Grant funded. They completed the album over 4 nights, about 30 hours. They worked at night because it was cheaper. The two brilliant moves, getting complete control over all their music, including when they would tour & advertising. Next great move, was the 90% on ticket sales.

@sebastianblack6506 Ай бұрын

Yeah, pretty poor research. Can't blame Tyler though, he was reading a script.

@sicotshit7068 Ай бұрын

@ but he does know the members of Led Zeppelin, & has from the very early days. He also had inducted them into The Rock & Roll Hall of Fame. Hell even still, a little research would have given him the correct answers.

@dupex2 Ай бұрын

You guys are awesome..,.

@Michael-Philip Ай бұрын

Like 👍

@bffplays2467 Ай бұрын

ok guys you gotta start reacting to the live video performances like albert hall 1970 song remains the the same msg 1973 earlscourt 1975 knebworth 1979 the community is dying to here your reactions to these live videos you can see some these concert videos on behind the music docu series of led zep

@Renate-gq4dm Ай бұрын

They got the deal they did because Peter Grant walked in with the album already made (funded by Jimmy Page). If Atlantic didn't do the deal, I'm sure another label would have.

@susiedawson3349 Ай бұрын

The Jeff Beck group with the blonde singer Rod Stewart on vocals released an album called 'Truth' around the same time of Led Zeppelin 1. The songs were similar to the songs on LZ 1 but not as good and Beck was upset. It was like he and Page had the desire for the same type of sound but Zep's album was better. I suggest you guys give Truth a listen and you'll understand what I mean. Great review! I'm enjoying this ride of Zep's history with you two. 🥰

@DianeLake-sw3ym Ай бұрын

I never considered Zeppelin Heavy Metal. Bands like them in the 70s, serious bands, I always saw as Hard rock. And Hard rock was the term used for a very long time. Metal was so different from Hard rock

@dianel222 Ай бұрын

Nobody really like them at this time. Early 70’s was such a diverse time in music. Zeppelin, Elvis, Johnny Cash, Jackson 5, CCR, etc. Just change the station and you could change your mood. 💜💜💜

@anthonyv6962 Ай бұрын

There is a Peter Grant doc on KZbin also one for tour manager Richard Cole.

@Clayton-v8l Ай бұрын

Peter Grant also managed Bad Company

@sicotshit7068 Ай бұрын

Because they signed with Led Zeppelin’s Swan Song label.

@26shedan Ай бұрын

Great, can't wait to see part 3. As far as the alleged assault on the journalist IT was most likely the crew and roadies that were out of control. Grant and Bonham both had mean streaks and Bonham who by all accounts was a family man who was lonely on the road could be mean and violent when drunk. Love Led Zeppelin and really enjoying this series

@sicotshit7068 Ай бұрын

I think the roadies were responsible for most of the bad press, I’m not saying these guys were angles. I believe in the early tours, their wives were with them, maybe not all though.

@susanpalmer8931 22 күн бұрын

Wanted to share with you guys - the first film about LZ authorized by the band is scheduled to debut in IMAX theatres in February 2025. Here is a link to the trailer. It's going to be awesome. kzbin.info/www/bejne/e3WudGpthrhrja8si=LlHTLcpPibTIg26I

@CCCowboy Ай бұрын

😎

@jimmoore8951 Ай бұрын

Can you imagine being a music exec in the 60s and basically giving a blank check to a group of long-haired, stoned teenagers? And then getting rich off them? Makes the start of hip hop seem totally sane and Suge Knight look like a genius

@bobdelp2023 Ай бұрын

YEAH LA & CHE, THESE WERE THE ABSOLUTE BEST CABLE SHOWS BAR NONE ON VH1 ( BEHIND THE MUSIC & LEGENDS ) 💯😊AND AGAIN I THINK I TOLD YOU GUYS, THAT'S ( STEVEN TYLER ) NARRATING 👍SO MANY GOOD ONES OF COURSE ( ELTON )😊 BUT BILLY JOEL, HE GOT SCAMMED AND SNAKED OUT OF 10'S OF MILLIONS 😮PRETTY SAD BACK THEN, HEY YOU GUYS STAY GOOD AND MUCH BLESSINGS!

@dgator3599 Ай бұрын

Listening to you 2 talking about the media being against Zep but the people begging to differ, reminds me of "The Great White Hope" as Jesse Peterson calls him! LOL