Left 4 Dead 2 Retrospective Analysis

[@Dorkaxe]

Apologies for the weird sound glitch at 22:09. I tried to re-render, with changing the clip to fix it, but it must not have helped. I'll try to get that corrected for the L4D1+2 combo video next week. Dorkaxe discord link: discord.gg/rnmSP9FQQg Support me on patreon: www.patreon.com/dorkaxe Follow me on twitter for updates on the channel: twitter.com/darkaxe54 Secondary channel for non-serious content: www.youtube.com/@dorkaxeextra2584/featured

[@jmp01a24]

Rooftop scavenge is a international champions mode. Only the greatest warriors get to stand on top the the podium, basking in the glory of the win. Teamwork has to be like a Patek Philippe timepiece watch.

[@JaymarkManiego]

0:21

[@theboringhumanbeing6610]

L4D1: "it's the apocalypse, all hope is lost..." L4D2: "IT'S THE APOCALYPSE! HELL YEAH!" *revs chainsaw as huge explosion occurs in the background*

[@SgtStevePH]

*"I AM THE GOD OF HELLFIRE!"*

[@-AAA-147]

@@SgtStevePH "LORD OF THE GAME (GAME GAME GAME)"

[@lewislewis3531]

28 Days Later became Zombieland

[@newturtle3]

Yeah they really toned down the distopian setting for a spoopy but still unsettling scenario but adding banjos (in the south lol) and turned off the darkness with a sun lol.

[@axelfloo64]

Perfectly described​@@lewislewis3531

[@saschaberger3212]

Weird to see the game without Master Chief, the Teletubbies, chicken guns, lightsabers, clowns, and metal tracks. God bless the modding scene ❤

[@tourbean790]

Wake the fuck up, survivor, we have an anime mod page to burn 🦾

[@mochalavender9398]

Or Shrek chasing you down throwing chunks of concrete at you...

[@zaneheaston8254]

Eh, Issac Clarke, Master Chief, Frank West, & Pyra for the Left 4 Dead 2 Survivors

[@jc_art_]

I was just playing yesterday, my squad picked god of war 3 kratos (coach), toy bonnie (rochelle, also the one i picked), goku (nick), and i think maybe isaac for ellis (i cant remember)

[@B-zk9bt]

Mods like: Hunk Ellis and Motifa really make the game worth playing!

[@ironencepersonal9634]

Labelling Coach as the least favorite character in the game for the voice acting for a single phrase which is used somewhat often, when the one-man cheeseburger apocalypse voice line exists is a wild take

[@Themanhimself677]

Yep

[@TrocaTheNero]

His whole take on the L4D2 crew is pretty dumb ngl.

[@ItsAsparageese]

Yeah, subjective experience is subjective and all, but I've seen Rochelle Hate persist at memeably normalized levels for ages lol.

[@ctbans]

@@ItsAsparageeseI never understood the hate I liked all the characters and they all had great lines. My favorite Rochelle line is when she says “alright weapons” I quote it without trying to

[@MordredSimp]

​@ctbans Her issue is that all her best lines were cut. Plus Zoey is generally more likeable with a broader appeal, the "College Girl who likes Movies, Guns, and Video Games" makes her attractive to a wider subset of the target audience, Nerdy Guys who are generally bad with women. Rochelle is a Journalist who is an almost motherly figure to Ellis, so she doesn't have that broad of an appeal, but still she isn't bad, just mod in her Cut Lines, and she's quite nice.

[@brendendonohue2746]

Valve had the L4D2 cast record voice lines that could be used for custom content i.e. talking about snow and how cold it is, traveling to a military base for rescue and of course like you discovered; prisons.

[@B-zk9bt]

That’s really cool!

[@newturtle3]

Considering Bill's VA died irl awhile back it was honestly a sad but good thing in hindsight.

[@HotelMari0Maker]

52:46 Ellis saying "does it hurt?" after neglecting to save you from the smoker got a chuckle out of me 😂

[@dyavolo9883]

A point about The Passing - canonically the L4D1 survivors sail off to an island off the mainland to live in (supposed) safety, away from the infected and military. There is an official 'The Sacrifice' comic online by Valve that gives us backstory on the original survivors, plus what happened in-between Blood Harvest and The Sacrifice. Them meeting up with the L4D2 survivors was just random happenstance while they were still recovering from the events of The Sacrifice before setting sail. You can even see the boat they're going to take in the level itself, just to the side of the bridge.

[@alybadry203]

I still wish to know the fate of both groups. Will the original survivors find more people who are immune ? What will the military be doing woth the l4d2 group ? Researched to spread immunity ? A cure ? Make them wear gear to avoid trasmitting the disease to extract other survivors? Or just kill them ?

[@thomasdeen2099]

The ending of The Sacrifice comic and the L4D survivors not inviting the L4D2 survivors on the sailboat pretty much says the former group's perspective on other immune people, they will only look after themselves and if they meet anyone (that aren't majorly aggressive) they will provide them with some help but not entirely assimilate them into their group. For L4D2 since they didn't leave the group to die with the bombed bridge we can assume that they weren't taken in to be killed, so we either have two outcomes: They were taken in for testing or like in The Sacrifice comic where the soldier suggested to let them fight in the front lines (Which is VERY smart).

[@tomtommerson6320]

The construction worker infected aren't affected by pipe bombs because they can't hear them due to their ear muffs

[@paperclip6377]

Pretty sure it's actually just a glitch. Even the bile doesn't work

[@tomtommerson6320]

@paperclip6377 I'm talking about in game universe reasoning. Those hearing protection muffs can cancel it out. But if it wasn't what would be it's special niche?

[@paperclip6377]

@@tomtommerson6320 idk. But those protection muffs don't really explain why bile doesn't work

[@tomtommerson6320]

@paperclip6377 I agree the bile is a glitch. My guess is that the code that attracts them is the same, and the devs just didn't specify the 2

[@theloosedonk5645]

​@@paperclip6377 their nose is missing, bile most likely works as a smell type of thingy, so infected smell that and pile on top of the source of said smell

[@keachyt]

57:00 I agree with your points, the survivors sometimes do go a bit OTT with their callouts. Coach to me makes sense though. He is a sports teacher so it makes sense he has a distinct, booming voice to grab the attention of whoever needs to hear what he is saying. I noticed in a few clips you started to turn around to look at him when he says the lines which i guess shows his effectiveness at grabbing attention. I think its just the game causing the survivors to spit these lines out a bit more than they should. Great video my man :)

[@Dorkaxe]

Thank you so much! Actually I turned around each time since I was trying to show how pointless some of those were, since I wasn't in any danger lmao. I've been playing L4D1, for future video/patreon video reasons, and I DID notice that those survivors said lines like that a lot too when turning on the captioning, so maybe Coach and his booming voice was the cherry-popper, the one to shatter the illusion and make me aware of it in the first place. GG coach.

[@mattsen4297]

Calling coach from l4d your cherry popper is crazy

[@Dorkaxe]

@@mattsen4297 lmao

[@Xenorvya]

Dorkaxe was not playing as Coach, and since he dislikes Coach he probably doesn't play as him often, resulting in the bot coach that is often in his team say "Watch out" every 2 second.

[@aekamuskrat2046]

Arguably a top 3 game, if not top of the list.

[@moerizk3753]

Left 4 Dead 2 is so good I won’t be surprised if I get another retrospective analysis video recommended to me 10 years from now.

[@sherrie553]

L4d2 is timeless

[@kckash522]

The amount of good memories I have with this game is STAGGERING

[@vaughnwagner4466]

I gotta say, 25 minutes in and you've already remarked on the game's sound design more times than many other creators would in 10 hours of review content. As a game sound designer I appreciate this a lot! With left for dead, there's so much SUPER effective sound design to appreciate, too. Great video!

[@Dorkaxe]

Very cool, happy you appreciated my appreciation! L4D's sound design is incredible. I still wish other devs tried to do audio cues as effectively as Valve.

[@sleepshouter5017]

1:10:06 expert realism is pretty much a community of its own. It’s what I almost exclusively play and much like the versus community, you’ll see the same faces if you play often enough. A lot of us recognize each other even if we aren’t friends and will continue to not send friend invites despite playing together about as often as friends would lmao. Believe it or not, this is our “casual” experience playing left 4 dead. It isn’t uncommon for 4 players to breeze through a campaign on expert realism, not really sweating, and a lot of time, not even communicating besides all 4 collectively saying “gg” at the end and leaving. I prefer communication in my social game but those matches where everyone is quiet and just relaxing killing zombies together are kinda cute lol.

[@mattymclaughlin5900]

I’m working up to that

[@alastor8091]

What are you, gods? You just casually play the hardest shit for fun and telepathically communicate while doing so?

[@sleepshouter5017]

@@alastor8091 Well when you’ve done something for long enough, kinda becomes second nature lol. It’s just generally understood what to do in most situations, and there’s plenty of audio cues and character lines to go off of that give enough information without the need for communicating via mic or text chat.

[@alastor8091]

@@sleepshouter5017 you can't tell right now, but im kneeling in awe and respect.

[@sleepshouter5017]

@@alastor8091 Lmao I can’t tell if you’re being sarcastic or not but uhhh, yeah... It is just a video game after all and at the end of the day all we’re doing is sitting down clicking buttons lol.

[@ironiso411]

Swamp Fever has higher spawnrates for chainsaw and grenade launchers compared to the rest of the campaign, and M60 only have a chance to spawn in L4D1 campaigns,The Passing and Cold Stream only

[@BrandonFlint-ro2ns]

It can spawn in The Last Stand as well. I picked one up at the finale when I was playing it earlier.

[@clydemarshall8095]

I’d hardly call Halo “multiplayer focused.” Its campaigns were historically just as important as the multiplayer.

[@clubsodaed]

My wife Left me for dead 2.

[@Lelurkzyyjamesz]

Hwt02 reference

[@matiasgago]

This game has such a special place in my heart, I remember grinding it for hours on end with my cousins scared shitless back in the day. Keep up the great work man!

[@bearforza]

Another thing you miss about left 4 dead 1 and 2 for the tank, if you actually listen closely sometimes before you actually come across the tank, you can actually hear him huffing and buffing before you get near him, I remember playing dead air, me and my friend was in the apartment chapter and i heard huffing and buffing and next thing I knew when I come around the corner i heard the music playing and it scared tf outta me and him, fun times.

[@zaneheaston8254]

I never knew that contruction workers were immune to bile bombs, learn something new every day

[@DrNGinfan1]

Not necessarily immune; if the bile bomb doesn't hit other infected, they go straight for you.

[@sherrie553]

I thought they were immune to pipe bombs not bile due to wearing ear defenders

[@zaneheaston8254]

@@sherrie553 Valve made the construction workers immune to all luring throwables, he shows this in the video

[@Chronomaton]

To add to the "everlasting dragon" aspect it's one of the last games of this kind that worked fully offline as well. You've got enough options and mods to make things work on harder difficulties as well so you're not stuck with a neutered experience either.

[@sirpuffball6366]

"I'm gonna lash out" is such a powerful thing to say

[@NateDog975]

I would know. I paid the price lol

[@1FenFen1]

@@NateDog975 how does it feel to game?

[@NateDog975]

@@1FenFen1 It feels

[@bobfray9496]

dead center path is just what door you go into and its hp based

[@Shadow-jm9ei]

i think you should give the new survivors more chances and pay more attention to their conversations, maybe even see the voice lines online, theres so many stuff you can miss from them, specially compared from the l4d1 survivors. Theres alot of animation videos that make l4d2 campaings like a series (the best one being the l4d2 beejie bean series) that show alot of their personality. I think both groups are equally great. Coach is leader just like BIll, just more positive and more casual.

[@Dorkaxe]

I totally get liking them, I don't even dislike them, but I still prefer the 1st group. Bill and Francis are unmatched imo, and Louis and Zoey provide their own levels of quality.

[@CDProjekt7]

Your dead island review was so good, looking forward to this 😁

[@TenthSgtSnipes]

I love modding the heck out of this game. Just turning my game into the halo flood game I wish we got is just the best

[@jinxthegenderfluid]

I’m only about five minutes in and while I do disagree with you on liking the 1st game’s characters more I still love the way the 1st game feels compared to the 2nd one

[@MrSw3rls]

jockeys used to be integral to a charger knocking someone off a map in versus. Also they didn't suck. Their jump should have just been a little more magnetic/sticky. The worst part about a jockey was that you'd just bump off people, and it would feel like they would only grab at/past the apex of their jump

[@Dorkaxe]

Oh dang, that's really interesting info. Thanks for sharing!

[@splashlemon2966]

Correction i thought id add to this really well crafted video! You say Cold Stream was a community map turned official. The Last Stand was also the same deal but you didn't say anything about that so in case it was an error. The Last Stand campaign was created by a few members of the community for left 4 dead 2. Valve to my knowledge had little or none involvement in the design process. Otherwise amazing video!

[@YoungBasedChefBeezy]

I think what makes the L4D2 survivors less tolerable to you could be that they aren’t very relatable to you. As someone from the south, Ellis, Rochelle and Coach are pretty common people to come across in everyday life. Bill and Francis would fit in with that group. I think, personally, Ellis and coach are far more relatable than any of the other characters. Also, the construction worker zombies. Aren’t affected by pipe bombs because they wear ear protection. They can’t hear it.

[@superz6921]

your L4D1 was the very first video I saw. All I have to say is that you re one of the most underrated youtubers! I love you videos keep them up!

[@Dorkaxe]

Hey thank you so much!

[@DavetheTurnip]

That was a lot of fun. The community maps you featured sound awesome, and I had a blast playing a couple games with you and others. It makes me kind of want to return to the game and give it a proper go. 😁

[@kellym8mbl-dr1he]

You finally did it, I love you bro

[@jackmartin6502]

On your point about the Passing's story not making sense, it's partly because it follows the lore of The Sacrifice comic, and not necessarily the campaign. During it, Louis was injured by a yacht full of witches and Bill was the sacrifice. I highly recommend you read it, the lore is awesome and it bridges the gap between Blood Harvest and The Sacrifice.

[@Dorkaxe]

Some of my discord people informed me of it. Kinda neat I suppose.

[@jackmartin6502]

@@Dorkaxe Woah, you responded! I loved your video!! Subscribed!

[@justinfleck6329]

I am not a first person shooter guy but the way you explain this game does make me excited to play it! As always a great job and I look forward to the next video!!

[@switch317]

It's such a good game, even after a decade later, even I still play it

[@amazonen66]

Great video Dork! While playing the game I kept returning to the fact that this game is so much deeper than I ever thought it would be. There's actual gameplay here past killing zombies (although there may be too many of them some would say). There are lots of cool mechanics here to delve into, stuff I will probably introduce to someone else in the future, to further its legacy even more. Thanks for the games, it was a lot of fun.

[@nukclear2741]

28:00 Here's a not so fun fact about the wondering witch. There's a small chance that the game decides that you are doing too well, and decides to place one of them down a walkway you NEED to take. That was my first time experiencing a Wandering Witch, so you cab imagine how annoying that was.

[@redwardranger7034]

I had one such experience in Dark Carnival. AI Director thought it's a good thing to placed a Wandering Witch on the escalator you have to climb to turn off the alarm in Dead Center's 3rd chapter. I didn't noticed because I was blinded by a boomer bile and I was so close to turning it off

[@ihavehoodies]

Not even gonna lie, that intro freaked me out lmao

[@FoghornProductions-eg8ji]

23:41 charger dodging feels so smooth and satisfying oml

[@Cyberplays10]

i still play l4d1 for the memories and its very fun for an old game

[@josesosa3337]

I got an xbox one around a year ago mainly to play left 4 dead 1 and 2 splitscreen with friends. Glad I did.

[@ubermorpth2208]

Very much looking forward to this video, course some small corrections from the video itself: The L4D1 mutation like you point out doesn't change the newly added forced crescendo events added to Chapter 4 of Dead Air, but also new ones are added for Death Toll (Chapter 4) and Blood Harvest, (both Chapter 3 and 4). Also the original 4 weapon models/sounds from L4D2 are still different from L4D1, like the pistols, pumpshotgun, hunting rifle ect. Fallen Survivors originally were intended to appear in L4D2 base game but valve cut them at the last min (You can actually see them in one of the scenes during the l4d2 opening, the one with rochelle at the turret in swamp fever's mansion. The ported versions of L4D1 Campaign's also had some of uncommon infected added to those campaigns with colors swapped to match the l4d1 commons. I.E CEDA/Construction zombies in the hospital/construction sites, mudmen in sewers, and very rarely fallen survivors. The unique lines you heard on certain campaigns are voice lines mostly for the L4D2 cast that valve recorded purely for the community to use in custom campaigns, so they often can fit for almost anything you can think of.

[@Dorkaxe]

Holy shit, I didn't know about the Valve getting the cast do say generic lines, thing. Holy fuck that's so cool. I knew about certain crescendo events turning into a gauntlet in L4D2's mutation/general L4D2 on the first game's maps, but I didn't see that as significant as making the metal detector mandatory in Dead Air. Like, for instance, the crows that you scare away in Blood Harvest in L4D1 invites a big wave of zombies, but in L4D2, it's an endless wave. It is a difference, you're right, but I suppose I didn't see it as big of a change when writing.

[@ashisharky]

32:56 given what source 2 allows for (unsealed maps iirc are possible) they could have popped the fuck off with this concept and let the ai director literally change the entire floor plan of a building by giving it a set of rooms to place between two empty doorways in a map with nothing in between them. Like imagine no mercy but the hospital layout is a little different every single playthrough. Maybe it could be more than a little. It could add entire new rooms, maybe have less rooms, take an entire new path even. Plus with the item spawn location system it could result in vastly different experiences that test the reaction speed and adaptability of the players. Giving it not total but a moderate amount of control over layout could be sick

[@imran_hisham]

I've sunk in several hundred hours into this game and I've pinpointed why it is timeless. It's simplicity and straightforwardness eases newer players into the game whilst having very apparent skill ceilings to reach as you've become more experienced and familiar. Sure, I think that playing it in casual setting is fun in its own way but having a full stack being locked in and committed to finishing a map is a feeling like no other, especially on custom maps where the difficulty is unforgiving. I do feel that because of this relatively high skill ceiling, versus has become quite unplayable unless you're in custom lobby with friends. Still one of the best games to accompany my childhood and the main source of core memories with my friends Amazing video axe, keep it up 🖤🙌🙌

[@HowieCatMeow]

If you ever want a really good challenge look up Hard-Mode on the Workshop, and Random Director also Survivor Swap

[@ItsAsparageese]

This was a fantastic analysis, really enjoyable vibes and perspective all around, and the ending gameplay had me dying with much-needed laughter after a crazy few weeks. So glad I watched this. Thanks for all your hard work!

[@Slinkyh49]

Well that's my evening sorted. Love your stuff. Watched nearly all of your vids.

[@anjapaints]

I was looking forward to this vid :) Thanks for covering my favorite zombo game.

[@nrg6245]

I love these video essays on OG games is OG gamers grew up playing. This type of content is like brain food nostalgia trip and I’m all here for it and can tell all the hard work that are put into these videos. I love all my OG gamers. Born in 2000 here ❤

[@ItsAsparageese]

Wholesome comment, but also, how dare a young'un like you make me feel old talking about how YOU get nostalgia 😂 BACK IN MY DAY WE HAD TO WALK UPHILL BOTH WAYS TO FETCH A BUCKET OF NOSTALGIA, GET OFF MY LAWN

[@ethans2647]

Great vid, man These always make my day when they come out, like Salt's vids

[@bigbadseed7665]

41:18 My man really called the flash pots on the stage "ballyhoo."

[@AgrimarYT]

A fun fact about the Bile Bomb throwable: In regard to coop, the bile bomb is programmed to additionally make SI bots target whichever has been hit by it, which includes hunters trying to pounce something that can't actually be incapacitated.

[@Space_Australian]

Babe wake up, new L4D2 retrospective dropped

[@theotv5522]

The issue with players opting to use the most efficient loadout can usually be traced back to the devs unable to make other "less viable" options fun or interesting. In the history of gaming, players have time and time again search for better ways to tackle the game. So let's say in L4D2 case, there's usually no incentives to keep your SMG once you found an AK or any other tier 2 weapons. So they could have made the SMG able to do things those tier 2 weapons can't (without nerfing the tier 2 weapons). I don't know how, but that's the general consensus that other devs do in their game, to incentivize their players to try out everything the game has to offer. Honestly, if I were to buff tier 1 guns, I say if you equip SMG, you can carry 2 throwables or 2 pills/adren. So then players will have to make a choice if they want a stronger primary or able to carry more stuff for later.

[@TonysoulreaperGaming]

9:15 he says dying light and shows dead island

[@HighOnIce]

Made by the same devs

[@cpt.lounatic]

It really depends on the competence of your group - im not sure of your difficulty assessment but i see where u are coming from. I notice the opposite- alot of people upping difficulty to expert, to which even though im sure it will end terribly and always does, i get a thrill in always voting yes. So it works both ways when u up the stakes.

[@RancorSnp]

Left 4 Dead is a series that feels fully designed around expert difficulty with lower difficulties being tacked on just to help the players learn the game. After playing for a while, going on a difficulty lower than expert just feels... Wrong it's usually more fun to lose on expert than win on advanced

[@AlmightyLordDeath]

I love your retrospectives and I wish you the best of luck with your channel

[@zacharyashmore1830]

I would love to hear your opinions on the L4D2 custom map 'Back to School'. It's a super good map that takes you through a wide array of settings.

[@Dorkaxe]

Thanks for the recommendation. We'll see!

[@zacharyashmore1830]

@@Dorkaxe its super LONG, but its amazing. So many different locations, details, custom events and unique voice lines.

[@Dorkaxe]

Just played it! Both versions(the L4D1 demo 3 chapter one and the full L4D2 6 chapter one). yeah it was good!

[@ItsAsparageese]

Commenting to hopefully get pinged about this thread one day when I have a real computer handy and can check out this map lol. I love custom campaigns. Especially love I Hate Mountains and that one skyscraper one, argh, forgetting the name is gonna drive me nuts for a while lol

[@zacharyashmore1830]

@@ItsAsparageese Discraper redux?

[@JavaSchoolBlues]

Outside of some bad takes, this is a solid video.

[@saschaberger3212]

Your gameplay in the end was hilarious:D

[@valsventures8795]

If not already a 'harder rain' sequel would be awesome. haven't seen the heavier rain mechanic in other community campaigns far as i'm aware. enlighten me if so.

[@noah_body_cares]

13:01 it reminds me of Peter Jackson's King Kong, when Jimmy had to shoot the locusts off of Adrian Brody

[@CakeSpeare175]

Everybody gangsta until the valve guy turns around

[@black0mode150]

Been waiting for this since the first video

[@R3Fl3CT_]

Years later but I feel like the difficulty setting is definitely a skill check where it’s important to remember, “Difficulty is made to be a challenge not to make you feel accomplished for doing less.” I think the difficulty is fine and is better (when played with people that aren’t bots of course)

[@classifiedad1]

I hadn’t finished watching the whole vid yet, but I think the new specials really distinguish L4D2 from the original. I did read that one of the main issues was that it was far too easy for survivors to bottle themselves into a choke point and challenge every special and common to a firing squad of auto shotguns and assault rifles. The only time this isn’t ideal is fighting a tank, at which you don’t have to deal with commons unless it’s the end of a finale. The new specials were added specifically to defeat this tactic; Jockeys can drag players away whichever direction they please, Spitters can chuck area attacks which deal damage over time, and the Charger is a mini tank whose charge can knock players away before pinning someone.

[@SouveraineMiaa]

Dorkaxe AND L4D2 (one of my highest playtime game on steam) ?? Woaa YES !

[@licensedtocare]

I had a chuckle at the chad Coach and his booming voice cutting through the chaos of zombie infested ultraviolence to annoy you 😂 I guess I never really noticed how much those voice lines come up until you mentioned it, though it doesn't bother me personally

[@gabrielandy9272]

not having a reason to play the old game is a good thing, we have the old maps remastered in l4d2 its much better it would be much worse if we did not had those. payday 2 is so good that u have payday 1 remastared inside it, all games should do this in my opnion. you video is amazing liked and subscribed

[@CaptPatrick01]

I felt that same way near the 11 minute mark about the ammo piles. I actually tried out a sourcemod that makes them limited use to further the weapon switching mechanic, but ended up not liking it because it wouldn't save my settings between maps let alone sessions, and its defaults were so limited it would outright break many finales, nor did it give the means to change those defaults in a text editor.

[@RA4DOM]

The armored zombie isn't really a soldier but a riot police officer. The military are found in l4d1 and 2 but only dead soldiers are there. I suggest you watch wow such gaming to know the lore

[@snakeface5652]

That moment when you get kicked because you just want to play verses on your steam deck in bed. In fact, it feels like casual play on a lot of multiplayer games is dead.

[@BrandonFlint-ro2ns]

People will kick you in this game if they so much as dislike your username. And then they wonder why nobody has fun playing Versus anymore. Even if you do everything right you're still likely going to get kicked either because the team wants to have a friend join or because something didn't go according to plan so they blame it on you.

[@sherrie553]

Or kick you in versus if your character so much as looks at theirs the wrong way 😂​@@BrandonFlint-ro2ns

[@BrandonFlint-ro2ns]

@@sherrie553 Yeah that too lmfao

[@kanderion5685]

With all the mods in L4D2, I kind of forgot how terrifying and saddening L4D1's atmosphere is, frankly.

[@MrMaaske]

It’s funny how he made a point of a laser sighted Mac 10. He was debating swapping it for a SCAR or a tier 2 Sniper

[@rage9715]

Nothing better than playing l4d with friends and having a laugh when a smoker drags one of us away and leg it to the safe room.

[@UberMozzie]

the difficulty thing idk man i play only on realism expert unless im playing versus and i usually have no problem or at least 70% of the time

[@phoenixrose1995]

the game balance of L4D2 was broken once they added melee weapons into the game. while i do love the melee weapons, i will say that you should not be able to just keep swinging a melee weapon forever. there needs to be a cool down just like the shove has

[@brendendonohue2746]

Well shoving is instantaneous meaning in L4D1 you can be in a corner and shove like crazy and be untouchable while melee weapons take a second to make contact and you could still take damage in a horde.

[@phoenixrose1995]

@@brendendonohue2746 while that is true, back in L4D1 the infinite shove didn't let you kill zombies unless you shoved them like 5 times. in L4D2, 1 single swing of a melee weapon can kill almost a full horde in front of you

[@YoungBasedChefBeezy]

@@phoenixrose1995but the pistol has infinite ammo

[@ItsAsparageese]

​​@@phoenixrose1995 As a not-very-skilled gamer (it's just a fact, I've got over 1k hours in this game lol), who especially struggles at managing hordes of commons, I don't agree that melee weapons are too powerful and handle commons too easily. I've had to really work on my timing with them and still get in real trouble if my back isn't against a wall or ideally a corner. I think sometimes people with well-honed skills forget that many of us out here can learn the game well but still just naturally have poor/non-virtuosic skill :P Melees help balance that for us, but they're far from feeling op.

[@lifeasparty4]

Can you do a review on hotline Miami and hotline Miami 2 wrong number

[@Dorkaxe]

The dorkaxe of old might have said "no way" but honestly, maybe this comment will make me think about it and eventually do it. Who knows.

[@bigbadseed7665]

What's the campaign with the swimming pool at 1:20:04?

[@radmilk73]

Banger as always dorkaxe

[@somedogsarecops2354]

L4D2 clears the first by a mile. Not just because it has more weapons and special infected, that's obvious with a sequal, but the campaigns and level design in l4d2 are unmatched. They also nailed the cast. They all represent a very common type of person in the south perfectly. They just have so much flavor.

[@Itz_Puxe]

L4D1 gun reloading waa UNMATCHED❤ i loved racking a shell before spraying out lead

[@Bonked_YT]

Yay new left 4 dead content :3

[@Boomerrage32]

My main problem with the updated zombie roster is that the zombie players can no longer rely on getting the right special at the right time. In the original game, my buddies and I had No Mercy down to a freaking science. We knew all the good ambush spots, we knew how to react around manholes, we knew how to get the long Hunter jump damage bonus, we knew when to engage with our Hunters and when to hang back. And we knew how to pull all of this off because we could always rely on having two Hunters, one Boomer, and one Smoker. In the sequel, you'd often get a Charger or something when you didn't need it, which really fucked with our rhythm. I would say that the Spitter is absolutely vital to the zombie roster because survivors had a tendency to stack up in closets, but I think creating the Spitter as its own special was a mistake. Instead, they should've given the Spitter's area denial ability to the Smoker as a secondary action. I also somehow feel like the new roster made the game too easy for the zombie players. It was no longer about pulling off that masterfully coordinated ambush because all you needed to do was deal damage with your Charger and/or Spitter, rather than blinding and separating the survivors with your Boomer and Smoker. Don't get me wrong, blinding and separating the survivors was still good, it just wasn't as important anymore. The game became less complex somehow, even though there was more stuff in it, and I thought that was a great shame.

[@menhera1]

really good video theres lots of effort put into this

[@idolhandz3946]

I ran with the loadout of Desert Eagle and grenade launcher. I used the desert eagle as my primary & the grenade launcher for special infected /tanks. The desert Eagle was like a hand shotgun. Also the sniper rifle without using the scope was pretty devastating.

[@Prince_Of_Fish]

the L4D1 survivors arent living on the bridge forever. they have a boat they are going to take to the Florida Keys, its in The Sacrifice comic.

[@meeplesmcmeep3595]

MAH FRIENDS CALL ME COACH

[@AdrX003]

Completely IMPOSSIBLE to not subscribe after this (i was already subscribed so i find myself like a witch with no targets)

[@goodnightgoodluck309]

I don't know if anyone can confirm this, but i swear the guitar used to break back in the day when the game launched

[@gub4941]

Thank god you recognize hard rain as the masterpiece it is

[@newturtle3]

3:33 this just cements how awesome valve was and somewhat still is a little. Seeing other ytube vids descrjbing l4d2 like crowbat, the act man, etc. and reading or rather playing the in game dev commentary It really calls in how much effort and hard work was put into the game. At the time just how advanced it was vs other games at the time and even now. I remember a quote from the devs how less is more. They simplified mechanics but stretched them as far as possible. Ex: Audio cues. Simple but each enemy or event had specific ones. Its how you can tell each special infected apart. Being puked on or a car alarm / event scripted alarm or just random hoarde incoming sounds. You knew the second you heard the music change hype up and a chorus get louder that a witch was nearby along with the red over her and her wails. When startled the music changes and kicks into high gear. The community made content mods are also great. The simplicity of everything made the game easier to rework and mod. Even the infected having a stuntman do like what 4k different poses of dying or running. For the regular hoarde mind you. Devs really honestly earned their paychecks and extra. Steam keeps coming out ontop and valve just keeps getting higher on the tier list of publishers even if they had some flops most of their games and steam as a service p much outweights their competition. They dont even have to do anything. Other companies and games are getting worse but they choose not to rest on their laurels and keep pushing out new innovations. Gaben helping in hand delivering the first wave of what 400 or so steam a decks recently just shows how valve is still a relative and standalone great company.

[@electrophonics1]

I love devil mountain, feels like the part of the country I love in so much that it actually makes me feel at home

[@prezplayhouse908]

Babe wake up theres a video essay for dorkaxe

[@Clown_the_Clown]

Excellent video.

[@Crevy1467]

I will never have a better gaming experience than I did with L4D 1&2.

[@shualopez1288]

The levels, melee weapons, and expanded options for throwables and rifles are definitely all major improvements. I also love the new set of personalities on display for characters. The tweaks to some common infected add a lot to distinguish each campaign and change the play style enough to keep it fresh. The new special infected though can be an exercise in frustration. Spitters are a welcome addition; I like how they can deny access to areas and work best in tandem with other infected. The jockey is fine but a bit imbalanced in how it functions as the midway point between a hunter and smoker; it does a little too much damage while mounted to be balanced but I can overlook this. The charger however… the ****ing charger… This one is utterly broken in how much damage it can take, how it can swiftly take a player across a map often insta-killing them, and how many can spawn through every level. I have been incapacitated or killed by chargers more than any other infected in the game. Left 4 Dead 2 is damn good but the Director needed to be toned down just a hair because it feels like there is always at least one special infected to deal with every moment even on normal. I used to play this game with the developer console on at all times so I could despawn chargers on certain maps or when it felt like I was getting an unfair amount of them. Tl;dr: New weapons and the spitter are great. Jockeys should do slightly less damage. Chargers should be limited to three per map maximum. The AI Director should be given a longer cooldown between special infected.

[@normalcommenter8595]

great video, bit surprised you didnt go over versus campaigns at all though, thats a huge part of the current playerbase with even competitive esports variations with restrictions and metas and even mmr ratings.

[@Dorkaxe]

I didn't as I went through versus mode in the first video. I love versus, though, very fun and smartly crafted (if perhaps tanks+cars is a bit OP)

[@FrancisL4D]

L4D1 = Turtle Rock Studios's L4D L4D2 = Valve's L4D

[@VileImpin]

Not even close to the fucking truth. Turtlerock = shit. kzbin.info/www/bejne/e5W1fYGLfNJ5eZo

[@somedogsarecops2354]

Irrelevant distinction. The Turtle Rock of 2005-2008 is not the one who released Evolve and Back 4 Flop. Valve is responsible for L4Ds success and went on to perfect it with l4d2.

[@Obsidiar]

L4d was amazing. 2 expanded on it greatly. Shame that 95% of ppl playing concurrently(on xbx1 at least) are new players or people who never played l4d before l4d2. Awesome vid