Leftist Historian on Why Dems Failed | Glenn Loury & Daniel Bessner | The Glenn Show

[@ADM290]

I'm from Washington state and now live in Ohio. I have a working class and immigrant background on both sides of my family, and now I am an academic and live a life very different from what I have growing up. I say this only to note Bessner's point about the "professionalization" of Dems seems to be spot on and even a profound point. Saying Trump's supporters are dumb, racist, and sexist represents almost no Trump supporter I know. I could say more, but that suffices for now.

[@ivywoodxrecords]

Middle to Upper Middle class / Lower Middle Class Working Class

[@ivywoodxrecords]

Therein lies the bifurcation.

[@ginaj617]

I was a liberal in my 20s…… and realized there are no tangibles to it, except an ideology with no results.. … a very immature way of thinking actually. In my opinion .

[@ajsfa]

I am from Texas, family a mix of blue collar and middle class college grads with some academics sprinkled in. I got my MA in '14 and moved to Washington state in 2015 for work. I was floored by the level of bigotry my "professional" class peers had toward both southerners and Republicans. They knew nothing about the real world and lived smugly in their bubbles.

[@revivlerech9020]

I admire your ability to converse with people with opposing political views

[@chrisoleson9570]

Are you referring to Danny or Glenn?

[@ricardocima]

Why? It's so simple and easy.

[@eemoogee160]

His wife is a socialist, so...

[@thomassamoth-o8d]

@@ricardocima exactly. it's not free-soloing El Capitan. Everyone has the ability to converse with blah blah blah

[@ricardocima]

@@thomassamoth-o8d please don't remind me of that doc, my hands are already sweaty. :)

[@samuelboucher1454]

I find it interesting how pessimistic Dr. Bessner is in individuals working towards an end for market solutions, but he is completely optimistic that central planning and government policy would do anything to actual fix climate change.

[@DeRocco21]

It's an inability to she first, second and tertiary effects

[@michaelwright6702]

It's because the market will not account for the negative externalities related to climate change, which even Glenn says in the video. The market will not solve this problem.

[@bbllrd1917]

@@michaelwright6702 Even if market can't solve this problem, it doesn't fallow that central planning can, or even that it can do better.

[@gabrielreyes8697]

@@bbllrd1917 What about China. China in a very short time has taken over the EV space.

[@henrytep8884]

@@bbllrd1917it’s not that it can’t, it’s that it will do something about it due to its relationship with power and solving metaproblems such as war. No one would ever make the argument the “free market” will win this or that war, due to the scope of the purpose and or reason of war and it’s very nature. Climate is that level of scope that requires the concentration of power forcefully doing something due to the will of the people wielding power. But this is only true when the effect of climate change becomes as drastic as fighting a world war or at least when it feels like that to enough people.

[@MarcDeBenedetto]

The more someone says “equity”, the more I know they are delusional.

[@mrbigsdaddy]

The same when they carry on about climate.

[@MarcDeBenedetto]

@ 💯

[@mrbigsdaddy]

@ not exactly. The climate changes. Always has. Failed models and flawed temperature measurements are all we have to go on. Predictions of science predicting catastrophe, in my lifetime, have all been overblown or pure BS. All the sciences, academia, and our institutions are corrupt. Even the medical/ nutrition sciences are known now to be demonstrably corrupt and not making recommendations based on making people healthy. Question the experts more, and generally do the opposite for best outcomes. Follow the money.

[@brianmeen2158]

It depends what they mean about equity

[@gandydancer9710]

@@brianmeen2158 "Equity" nowadays means only one thing: Politically favored groups get a leg up at the expense of everyone else.

[@cjgeminitarot6836]

McWhorter wellness check requested

[@glennloury3677]

He'll be back next week

[@noahghost4476]

Dr. Mcwhorter appreciates intelligent discourse and has been increasingly frustrated with glenn. 22:14 I kind of expected Glenn to push back on this trash-talking of Dr mcwhorter, I thought they were friends. But Glenn hardly challenged anything from this airhead Marxist.

[@brianmeen2158]

@@noahghost4476he’s definitely not an airhead but simply has different views than you

[@BhutanBluePoppy]

@@glennloury3677 I’m happy for you, but he went off the deep end.

[@mlovmo]

He's locked in a closet drinking martinis, eating bon-bons, and watching reruns of "Thirty Something."

[@lilgarbagedisposal9141]

A while ago the Washington Post published a provocative opinion piece with the title, “Environmentalists make good movie villains because they want to make your real life worse”. I laughed at it at the time, but if you really listen to a lot of leftists/environmentalists this is what a large amount actually believe. Daniel explicitly admits in this interview that he would favor an economic arrangement that would lower our standards of living. He has a clear authoritarian impulse. There has also been real progress in sustainable energy sources that Daniel is totally ignorant about. Leftists hate that we are going to engineer our way out of this problem rather than turn into a full on communist country. Edit: At 54:00, Daniel straight up says that he views immigrants moving as a punishment for the sins of the West. Between that and his climate comment I’m starting to think that this guy just hates America 😂

[@freddieoblivion6122]

Weak men with authority are dangerous. Obv a spiteful mutant.

[@hooligan9794]

Agreed. We need more energy tech, not regression.

[@marsspacex6065]

Agree sustainable energy is happening because of capitalism and the leftists hate it because they want to poke holes in the free market.

[@alheno5423]

They want to see us “punished” for our “sins”, and they don’t actually care about the facts and what would actually be healing. Case in point-they want wind farms and solar farms which ruin landscapes hurt animals and don’t actually help that much!

[@albertsystem1]

Well said.

[@durandmason2983]

Sorry, Glenn. Just can’t handle this type of guest. He’s just so sure he knows best. There has to be an uncertainty, even just a thread, before someone who speaks can be taken seriously.

[@fs5775]

💯 this 👆

[@TheAstrojoe62]

Glen said he was very smart, which he may be but I don’t sense much wisdom. Intelligence without wisdom is mostly worthless.

[@WildFungus]

well I just never trust marxists. But they usually talk a fantastic game and are worth listening to and learning from but don't ascribe to their views just their analysis is accurate without them having any solution except more problems.

[@ricardocima]

"Sorry Glenn, I just can't handle anyone outside our MAGA bubble"

[@fs5775]

@@ricardocima nope, it's the arrogance actually. I'm left-leaning and this guest was insufferable.

[@ROCKMTHI]

Bessner we are not against immigration. We are against illegal immigration.

[@marydiggins9294]

Yes, yes, and yes.

[@barboglesby2162]

We are against mass illegal immigration, or even legal immigration with the goal of multiculturalism, not assimilation into the country. Multiculturalism creates division within a country, not unity, and a mass influx of people with vastly different and less sophisticated cultures is proving to be detrimental to Europe and the USA.

[@jameszebell3845]

Thanks right off the bat for calling out the academic's use of "right" and how it is a trick to shutdown conversation.

[@BhutanBluePoppy]

@james…oh I thought he was reacting to “academic”?

[@slider292]

Glenn is also an academic, FYI...

[@BhutanBluePoppy]

@@slider292 I believe Glenn has more real-life experience than John does

[@slider292]

@@BhutanBluePoppy Probably because he’s much older.

[@robertriecken5282]

Good lord that was a difficult podcast to get through...stylistically Mr. Bessner is the equivalent of nails on chalkboard...Mr. Bessner raised some valid points and others that were certainly worth debating however one could never quite shake the feeling of a slavish commitment to a certain ideology with a smug self righteousness that is not only offputting but which limits deeper thinking on really important issues. "Glen let me ask you a question (glen begins to answer gets cut off)...but let me give you my view (and then tell you why your view is wrong before you even speak). Ending on a positive note...some interesting view points and i appreciated the start of the discussion with the rejection of the left/right paradigm.

[@nancya7289]

I'm familiar with people who speak like Bessner. And the feeling I get is that Glenn is okay with it, as well as perfectly capable of holding his ground. And I agree that he could come across as perturbed in a way that might interfere with people being able to process his ideas. Hopefully his salary will be sufficient to buy a house. Then he can take up gardening, get his hands in that soil, ground himself a little. Less coffee, more meditation, Dr. B.

[@robertriecken5282]

@@nancya7289 well put. And I agree that Glen is comfortable and perfectly capable of holding his ground.. GL is american treasure and i find myself wanting to hear him work through his thinking in real time

[@TheGingerjames123]

You're a better man than I glen, I wouldn't have given this guy the time of day

[@Pottedplants17]

You think you would come off well in conversation with him?

[@ricardocima]

@@Pottedplants17 he wouldnt begin the conversation, he;s a MAGA minion. Conversations are for the beta, weak.

[@adtastic1533]

If the only bad thing you can say about capitalism is that it makes people feel alienated then that's pretty good. Better than feeling starving like all the other systems we tried.

[@williamjameslehy1341]

You poor thing, you actually still believe that. The CIA knew that Soviet citizens were eating better than Americans, while they were telling your parents and grandparents that everyone over there was starving and "waiting in bread lines". www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/cia-rdp85m00363r000601440024-5.pdf

[@guapochino140]

Bessner will tell you that capitalism is bringing us to total climate breakdown and runaway warming. Because it makes us want the wrong things. The starvation has already started, as have the resource wars.

[@jasonbadgley5990]

Academia is so lost. Bessner doesn't possess self-awareness where this is concerned. He says capitalism has "won," which might be so, but a kind of homogenization exists in the academy too, evidenced in his hysterics about "climate."

[@SamUrtonDesign]

Yeah - it was the hysterical doomer climate take early on in the conversation that made me skeptical of any other point he made, and also his general tone being off-putting & insufferably blowhard.

[@nancya7289]

Not understanding these comments. Do people doubt the reality of climate change?

[@terrenceevans726]

@@nancya7289The world is getting warmer we built cities under sea levels what bad can happen right. Earthquakes in New York ?

[@aptkeyboard3173]

⁠@@nancya7289Climates are changing but climates have been changing for many millennia with no help from humans. People like this guest are so certain that climates are changing purely from human activity when the reality is likely more complex than that. From where I’m standing, it appears the “climate catastrophe” is being used to attempt to usher in a kind of anti-human authoritarianism in order to “save the planet”. People have been predicting climate doomsday for decades now and many of their predictions have not come to pass.

[@gandydancer9710]

@@nancya7289 "Do people doubt the reality of climate change?" That's a tedious strawman argument you are attempting there. And failing at.

[@philipmoss4027]

Another Bessner drive-by special: Glenn asks at 31:38, "weren't those failed experiments?" Bessner answers that that the problem with Soviet and Chinese communism is that they got "melded" with autocracy. Whereas, "genuine" communism would have to be democratic. Oh! Simple as that. I have a problem seeing this guy as a smart and informed person with whom I am simply out of sync when he pulls this sort of thing. It feels so patently deceptive. Communism requires totalitarian control. You can't have the scope for individual freedom that is prerequisite for democracy AND the central coordination that, at minimum, would be necessary for a communist state. Anyone who's "not into it," who won't row in the same direction as the rest, becomes an enemy of the people. And what? The Party is going to let such antisocial actors vote? Good for Glenn for having this guy on; good for me for hearing him out. Disagreement stimulates re-thinking, and all that. But it is just bad faith for him to speak as though he sees no obstacle to our perfect agreement with his arguments when the objections are obvious and present such formidable challenges to his ideas. Just keep talking fast, buddy!

[@chazcmeekins83]

There are two strands of Leftist(Anti-Capitalist) thought 1 is Authoritarian and the other is Libertarian. I would say China is a One party dominant state that has an inverse relationship that we have here in the States/USA when it comes to ownership structure. In China basically the State has overall say in the economy while still being a Capitalist system with simple majority ownership by government affiliate firms and private individuals (China's Billionaires and multi-millionaires) with a Large Minority 45-49% ownership of these companies. A structure like this is what we call State Capitalism. The control comes from the State instead of the Capital Class/Billionaires like in the United States. To me personally both China's and our system on economics suck and dont really put into concern status for the average little guy.

[@paulhamrick3943]

Yeah I was shocked to see how quickly this guy’s rhetoric descended into what, to me, sounds like "dorm room communist" rhetoric.

[@davidpennmiller354]

Exactly, communism always ends up in autocracy. The only place Democratic communism exists is in Danny’s fantasy world

[@tct70]

This is the conceit of intellectuals who think they and they alone understand the "true" communism. It is not a new argument. It's like the Mirror of Erised in Harry Potter. They see their own reflections with endless rave reviews from their peers and the house cup. I get the temptation, but the constraints of human nature, for now, can only produce a few major options in the method of our orientation to each other. It would take an uncommon genius to devise something different. The best we can probably do is get money out of politics and create a world where those economic incentives capable of delivering the most "evil" are redirected.

[@robertmadison1205]

The best argument I ever heard for the tendency of communism to employ autocracy came from my date's mom, who told me that if we say from the greatest ability to the greatest need, who is goung to determine who has the greatest ability and has the greatest need. Someone. A dictator.

[@s.a.vanvleck45]

Bessner is wrong on many things, but especially on immigration, he is a prisoner of his ideology to the point of being disconnected from facts.

[@shj2000]

Bessner's vision requires some authority to determine what society should want and to constrain choice to insure the desired outcome.

[@lilgarbagedisposal9141]

It’s funny that he writes off the history of communism in the 20th century because it was not democratic. Never stops to consider that it always ends in autocracy because it cannot last under a democracy.

[@BhutanBluePoppy]

OMG Horror - that might involve believing in God, after which you might even come to believe that you are not the ONLY top of the pyramid in deciding what is moral.

[@miguelangelvaladezmunoz]

And somehow the fail experiments are excuse or disregard as “not really communism” for your very same observation which I agree with, just like Daniel response to the fail of communism in history. (31:38)

[@davidwhite8220]

Does Bessner believe that Climate Action should be subject to democracy? Or to authority?

[@WildFungus]

he's almost like a benevolent monarchist, but like communism its impossible for humans to live up to the ideology.

[@DeborahRowePodcast]

Glenn, I have a feeling you're going to need a drink (or at least a strong tea) after this one. How you do it (dealing with a pompous know-it-all) is amazing...just amazing.

[@michaelweinstein3056]

Bessner interviewed Glenn back in 2020 resulting in a 4-part (over 4 hours) series chronicling Glenn's intellectual life and work. This was in service and anticipation of Glenn's memoir. They're old homies.

[@DeborahRowePodcast]

@michaelweinstein3056 I have no doubt that they are. My point is that it takes an incredible amount of confidence and self control to debate someone like Bessner. I have to exercise similar strengths when engaging with certain friends of mine.

[@marydiggins9294]

⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️

[@ToddBeck]

Always a good listen. Thanks for sharing your friends, Glenn.

[@Krestshinable]

I find bessners input interesting, but his smug demeanor is so off putting, i find it hard to listen and fully digest his “ideas”

[@mlovmo]

Well, he IS a contemporary left winger...

[@fs5775]

Can you imagine being stuck in a PhD program with this kid in your class? Hell on earth.

[@hpmoon]

54:00 The oversimplified framing of the question on immigration policy is so frustrating (and ubiquitous). You can favor robust and healthy immigration volume into the United States while insisting that keeping track of citizens for taxation and law enforcement are simultaneously vital. Simply put, any immigrant needs to be inventoried to prevent cheating. We play by the rules here.

[@r3771-n2r]

Daniel... Clean your room...

[@fs5775]

he's definitely of the variety that doesn't leave his room much. who would want to hang around with this smug know-it-all??

[@freedomworks3976]

Lol 😂 I love it

[@joiedevie3901]

This is a fascinating exchange and Glenn is to be commended both for engaging a colleague of such different (and in some instances diametrically opposing) opinions and for giving him the platform to engage these views where each has to bring his game! Socrates would approve, no doubt! At 28:43, where Bessner notes race having such gravity over class in this country, one might note that WEB DuBois lamented the lost opportunity in the post Civil War nation by the failure of poor whites and freed slaves to pursue common cause for economic opportunity, particularly in the agrarian South, but that racism and its institutions served as a potent wedge to keep them apart.

[@carolynnovak6828]

Good to see you back, Glenn.

[@craighealy6268]

Thank you glenn and danny! Please, more of these talks.

[@zmandallas]

Daniel does not realize that he is a lot of the problem. His "no it all" attitude about every subject that was discussed was hard to listen to. He is an academic elitist.

[@BitcoinMeister]

Marxists like him will always be envious of the productive and will think of all sorts of convoluted reasons to think that robbing the wealthy is cool. It's great that his ilk will not be kicked out of the influencers that surround the US executive office.

[@williamerdman4888]

In spades. I could not more strongly disagree with this dude. It scares me that he is teaching our young people.

[@slider292]

"No is all"? Lol, everyone probably seems like an elitist to you...

[@adifferentlight5530]

Daniel is simply talking about his opinions which you don't agree with. If someone was saying what you DID agree with you wouldn't care about the tone. In that case you would appreciate the confidence if it was reflecting your own feelings and beliefs.

[@williamerdman4888]

@@adifferentlight5530 WOW... are you wrong? His opinions without any objective evidence are worth the waste of time. In addition, he is such a downer that he has no credibility.

[@gregmeier]

I made it to 38:44. After the comment about Israel supposedly conducting an ethnic cleansing of Gaza, I'm out.

[@SuperRLA]

"The truth is an offence."

[@babyamyxo-o6c]

“The truth hurts me, so I avoid it.”😖

[@rrubens3026]

Cmon we can all see it. Give me a break

[@SuperMCFIVE]

With paintings of Mickey Mouse and Snow White next to the word “Love” scrawled on a white wall, it has all the hallmarks of an ordinary child's bedroom. Yet beneath the Disney characters lies a chamber of horrors where six Israeli hostages were imprisoned, tortured and ultimately executed by Hamas gunmen, according to the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF). On Tuesday, the Israeli army released footage of the tunnel in Gaza where, it claims, the group, who were captured on Oct 7, were killed two weeks ago.

[@rrubens3026]

@SuperMCFIVE while all deaths are horrific, let's compare the known 40,000 civilian deaths to those 6. Why are conservatives so gleeful in the dehumanization of Arab lives??? It is so disgusting and unbelievable.

[@traviscutler9912]

A much better conversation than i thought!

[@traviscutler9912]

However, I think the criticism of meersheimer is not accurate as his view is not so much of what "has to be done" but more "what WILL actually be done" as a result of great power politics, regardless of what Americans genuinely want, meaning the ever escalation of world domination, despite the very clear consequences to humanity. None of this is helpful obviously, because we all have nuclear weapons now, which means humanity is 30 seconds to midnight a whole lot f****** sooner than any of us wants to! Sadly, representative Democracy isn't an actual "thing" because both parties are owned by the Israeli lobby, the military industrial complex and the 1% who are working with multinational conglomerates that are more concerned with quarterly earnings than anything even close to what Americans actually want as represented by the overwhelming majority of polls that state they want ALL WARS stopped, billionaires to pay taxes & Americans get educated and universal Healthcare!!! However, the billionaires who ACTUALLY pay our government leaders demands our participation in genocide, that we accept poisoning ALL of our water/food, deny a decent education for our children, reasonable wages & or ANYTHING resembling a living wage or a safe working environment. AND on and on and on and on..... The weird thing is that EVEN RICH kids who aren't billionaires will eventually need to eat insects as a result of collapsing the oceanic patterns that have sustained human life for 100's of thousands of years due to climate catastrophe or something similar. Regardless, we ALL know that whatever the risk is to humanity, it's totally worth it so that the West's greed can destroy everything for one more big Mac, NO MATTER WHAT THE CONSEQUENCES ARE?!?!! Smoke them if you got them! I don't have children and I'm old and have lived extremely hard for a very long time. So the odds of me living much longer ain't great. But I can't figure out why the people in these gated communities think that those small metal frames are going to protect them from the billions of people who are extremely angry about starving to death when the world's economy collapses?! If all of these multi-millionaires think that they're somehow getting into the billionaire bunkers when the s*** hits the fan, they're going to be extremely sad to find out that they are trapped out here with the rest of us LOL!!

[@oceantree5000]

So, two things- 1) Marxism in the USSR and China failed because it was “very quickly melded to autocracy…” But of course it’s also doomed to failure in its absence. It’s also apparently doomed to failure in the presence of organized pushback- another reason Marxism and authoritarianism are likely inextricably bound. At least until human nature itself changes. 2) Israel will be able effectively to defend themselves against their surrounding enemies w nuclear weaponry? What exactly does he think the consequences would be to northern Israel in terms of radioactivity were Beirut to be struck? Israel is roughly the size of New Jersey and any use of nuclear weapons against their direct neighbors would likely be suicidal. This guy. Bessner is too smart repeatedly to be so dumb.

[@noahjwhite]

Agree. His comments on Israel were basically 1. Ethnic Cleansing bad (so Israel can’t win). 2. Israel has Nukes (meaning what?) Nuclear War good? 3. Commie gobble

[@williamjameslehy1341]

Marxism took the impoverished backwater that was feudal Russia, and in the space of a single generation turned it into a Space Race-winning superpower. Peasants living in shacks with dirt floors became factory workers living in highrises with indoor plumbing, electricity and telephones for the first time in the country's history. Then when the Soviet Union fell, we in the West were told that they were finally "going to be free" and enjoy the sort of prosperity that Americans and Western Europeans knew in the post-War decades. In reality, it was the sharpest decline of standards of living in recorded history. Russia is still an autocracy, but now it's a much poorer one, where homelessness, organised crime, political cronyism, and child trafficking are now massive problems where they weren't before. The Soviet Union was indisputably the high water mark of Russian civilisation.

[@OhioVworld]

@@williamjameslehy1341Yes, Russia had 4/5 million Askenazi Jews, and once largely liberated, nature took its course. Wait, who won the Cold War again?

[@OhioVworld]

Israel has one 2 real enemies in the region: Iran(and its proxies) and the Arabs who lived in and had recently settled in the Southern Levant by the middle of the 1900s. Iran is in deep decline both as a regime and nation, and most of the folks under 50 have no interest in Israel/Palestine. The Palestinians (?) have no capacity to threaten the existence of Israel.

[@paulinadoki1043]

@@williamjameslehy1341 Do you seriously believe there was no corruption, organized crime, or homelessness in the USSR? What standards of living are you talking about? Five families in one flat? A shack with a hole for a toilet if you lived in the countryside? People in the Soviet Union did live in dirty shacks but were not allowed to say so. In fact, people were not allowed to talk at all. Everyone repeated the same propaganda. There were posters of the "ideal man in an ideal country" everywhere and films showing a polished and romanticized way of living that simply did not exist. The Soviet Union indeed left a huge mark: it destroyed Russian culture, wiped out entire families or parts of families, threw people out from their lands, and showed that a person meant nothing to the state. It made people extremely cynical and pragmatic. There is a huge trauma that people from the USSR have to deal with, and the glorification of it in the West plays right into the hands of Putin and the KGB he represents.

[@shira9351]

Hearing Mr. Bessner speak so confidently about Israel as a "matter he knows a lot about" has made me doubt the validity of anything he says. As an Israeli I can say that he clearly knows very little, and there are many knowledgeable and intelligent people here who aren't so sure Israel will be around in 20 years time.

[@Gizmo1981]

lol I liked his “as a Jew” card. Also the logical fallacy is that the reason Israel has nukes and U.S. support is because it faces an existential threat. Remove those and the game changes. He’s doesn’t know anything.

[@marydiggins9294]

Daniel doesn’t care if Israel is destroyed.

[@cwhite1741]

Made it about half way through. Maybe Glenn will push back a little eventually but I won't be listening to find out if he does.

[@fs5775]

I'm doing my best to power thru at about 15 mins in but I don't think I'm going to make it lol

[@dongrinolds140]

It's hard to listen to young professors who have never raised livestock, worked in a factory, or served as an enlisted soldier. They have lived such an isolated life. They can not explain life to me, who has experienced so much more than them.

[@briancook4248]

What a moronic comment. Shoveling shit and being cannon fodder isn’t experiencing life

[@williamjameslehy1341]

Why would they? Do you dismiss the views of farmers and factory workers just because they've never written a research paper, taught a grad level seminar, or defended a dissertation?

[@Ryanrobi]

As a dairy farmer I agree with this 100%. In particular what the left wants to do with diesel emmisions it's making my extremely expensive equipment extremely unreliable when I need it most. Electrifying everything we do on the farm is simply impossible physics does not allow it these people that have never had to do anything in the real world and really drive me crazy.

[@adifferentlight5530]

Start explaining life then. I'd like to know how you see it. What do you think life is all about? All people have also experienced more than you. Just different experiences. Why are your experiences more valid than theirs? Why do you assume a soldier or factory worker would have more truth to tell than a mother or an economist? by the way, just so you will see me differently, (maybe you're kind of judgy ? I am. ) I do landscaping as work. I grow plant starts. Am I a valid human in your book now? And I think deeply about the world I want to create so humanity can be at peace instead of war.

[@technokicksyourass]

@@adifferentlight5530 Well, anyone that has operated a business of any kind understands a lot more about what money really is than a university professor that only understands in theory. This is as they actually have to think about the value of the good or service they are providing quite a lot.. as it's a matter of survival for them.

[@warrenjones1936]

This is NOT what I've been waiting for. Where is the analysis of the election results? (11/15/24)

[@djbasquiatt]

🏆🏆🏆🏆

[@joelewis]

Who cares? What new perspective do you think is going to be added that doesn't already exist?

[@Shawn-oh5yq]

Substack

[@hampersona]

this guy is just hiding behind world salads

[@ricardocima]

@@joelewis You don;t understand, he wants to see John OWNED, DESTROYED, CRUSHED...all these things you see in video's headlines. That's what he lives for: to OWN THE LIBS. The country doesnt really matter.

[@RominaJones]

Love Glenn and don't doubt Bessner is credentialed but he sounds like if Reddit got a Phd.

[@zarbins]

Living in Seattle and being a professor at University of Washington will do that to you.

[@randomnobody8770]

This guys actually knows what reddit pretends to know

[@steven_90s]

Looool. This is way too true.

[@joelewis]

Cool conversation. I dont know people are so upset from this conversation. Glenn is an entertainer, youre not going to get the pushback you crave.

[@bbllrd1917]

Glenn is also an academic, and intelligent pushback would be entertaining.

[@ricardocima]

You dont know? Because now Glenn is a MAGA influencer, and these are the MAGA minions in the comment section. Welcome to the New Glenn Loury Show.

[@michaelweinstein3056]

Wonderfully wide ranging conversation Glenn. We're living through very interesting times!

[@vonbotteicher4377]

I have no idea what Glenn sees in this guy

[@johnd2533]

I find myself watching this over and over. It’s one of the best conversations about the current scene I have ever tuned into.

[@CheeseSteakJimi]

FALLACY I-The first fallacy of Communism is its attempt to over-simplify history. W. Cleon Skousen

[@ricardocima]

Why are you bringing up communism?

[@streuselhead4058]

So, Mr. Bessner deems it a "distraction" that in Minnesota, for example, a parent can face the reality in which their minor child has decided they are the opposite sex and that they need medical "affirmation" of their newly found identity and the state has the power to remove that child from the care and control of those parents, ordering that the sterilization and mutilation of that child may proceed without the consent of the parents? The arrogance of this position cannot be overstated. Smart and articulate does not always correlate with wise and morally decent.

[@jimpollard113]

Smart people are the least likely to self-reflect when things don't go their way.

[@fs5775]

@@jimpollard113 this guest definitely strikes me as a temper-tantrum kinda guy when things don't go his way, gives off spoiled privileged upbringing in NYC kinda vibes

[@toddlyman9439]

Has this ever happened?

[@streuselhead4058]

@@toddlyman9439 Has what happened? Has Walz signed into a law a bill that allows this exact scenario? Yes, he has, and it is not difficult to find and read the text of the bill, which I am guessing you have not done. Whether or not the bill allowing the Minnesota courts to remove a child from their parents' custody so that sterilization and mutilation of the child can proceed without their consent has yet been put into effect in an individual case, I don't know, but obviously it will be at some point. Were you implying that if a bill legalizes some type of horrific action, it's not a concern until the action is actually taken? Are you implying that Walz is not a piece of shit for signing into law a bill that allows irreversible horrors to be inflicted on children? Have you read the Minnesota law? Please clarify your point. And have a look at the law first.

[@pand0ra145]

@@streuselhead4058 It is, in fact, quite the opposite; however, this would be evident to anyone who has read the bill in question. In particular, the legislation prohibits (does not allow) the enforcement of a court order for the removal of a child, when another state's legislation would permit the child to be removed from the parent or guardian for receiving medically necessary health care or mental health care that respects the gender-identity of the child.

[@kaynewling3455]

Engrossing discussion, I'm left with so much to think about. Thank you.

[@gabrielbien-willner2509]

Brilliant display of two intelligent people. Dr. Bessner speaks well but is so confident in his explanations and theory he fails to account in his certainty that he is very likely wrong on most of them. If I hear one more time that communism failed because it started in the wrong place, and had it not been in authoritarian, impoverished nations it would have succeeded, I will barf all over my screen.

[@bruceobrien985]

Bingo! They will never stop with excuses. Marxism disregards human nature and that is consistently the reason for its failure.

[@karleells6540]

I appreciate you deeply Glenn!!!

[@jackiekjono]

PSA - if you cannot keep up with the fast talking about concepts that you are unfamiliar with, you can hit the settings icon and change the playback speed to 75%. Much easier to follow and has the added advantage of making them both sound just a little bit drunk which makes them even more entertaining.

[@pablolasha238]

So 1.75x is not the default youtube setting?

[@ricardocima]

You need to understand that Glenn's viewership now consists of MAGA ignorant minions . That's his grift these days.

[@kb2427]

⁠@@ricardocimaah so your so intelligent that your voted for a blubbering socialist that believes the proletariat rule of government which supposed to be socialism because they hate the bourgeoisie right. But this administration who virtually loves that idea is run by the elite political bourgeois who has no clue of Marx. But I am an idiot MAGA and you are what?

[@jackiekjono]

@@ricardocima You know what they say, those who can create interesting content that people want to watch. Those who can't insult people in the comments section.

[@lauracollins4195]

@@jackiekjono- your response is perfect 👍🏼

[@JacobDavidson-o7y]

Thought provoking discussion, I enjoy the intelligent discourse instead of people talking over or past each other.

[@horseluv7315]

Minimum wage is a fallacy. This dude needs to read Thomas Sowell on that.

[@gandydancer9710]

It was, as I recall: ~"Why concentrate on improving incomes by cutting off immigration when you can just raise the minimum wage and tax the rich?"

[@karleells6540]

Glenn. I do appreciate you right leaning common sense. Bless you.

[@justinmartin8637]

Daniel sounds just like David Pakman

[@jem77469]

Reminded me of that Destiny dude. More polished, polite, and thoughtful... But ultimately coming from the same dark place.

[@theodoremccarthy4438]

I call it "the con-man cadence".

[@posmoo9790]

curious

[@uchennakpaduwa9592]

Don't insult this man. That is like saying Candace Owens sounds like Norm because they agree on a few things. Pakman is an intellectual midget

[@ricardocima]

By now you MAGA minions are hooked on insults, violent rhetoric, people being called vermin....just WWF porno politics. You witness a polite discussion, and you riff raff white trash mentality can only thinf of "this guy is a know it all smug!!! I wanna OWN THE LIBS! Baby, bring me a beer...now!"

[@smitty923]

Really enjoyed this discussion.

[@jeffreyhill4705]

It did, communism in Germany, happen in east Germany, and we could compare it to west Germany.

[@Bisquick]

Please do. West Germany was run by the literal nazi bureaucracy/leadership that had supposedly been our enemy during the war. Contrary to our ubiquitous mythology, the US/UK in fact played a key role in retaining top Nazi leadership in West Germany, including putting many like Klaus "butcher of Lyon" Barbie (who facilitates the so-called "cocaine coup" in Bolivia and assists in hunting/assassinating Che Guevara within the US empire's broader Operation Condor network) and Reinhard Ghelen who ran the West German BND directly on the CIA's payroll; many like Hans Spiedal uncoincidentally go on to serve as NATO leadership because NATO is essentially a US protection racket that aims to continue nazi "lebensraum" eastward under a US-dominated rebrand. People love to bring up the supposed moral quandary of firebombing Tokyo or Dresden - totally assuming the supposed necessity of such mass murder/destruction - but few seem interested in reconciling with whether or not that assumption is true. Can you guess which side of Germany Dresden is on? Contrast this callous willingness to eviscerate working class towns (in a rare instance of honesty, the British plan of action/justification explicitly notes this central goal) with a counter-example of, say, liberating Auschwitz at the potential expense of damaging IG Farben petrochemical factories in the west and suddenly we can arrive at the exact opposite decision so as to preserve an industrial base for use against our predesignated future foe the USSR (Truman is imposed by party bosses at the '44 DNC to replace FDR's prior VP Henry Wallace in spite of overwhelming popularity precisely to chart this hostile trajectory against the USSR as Wallace sought a shared conciliatory peace; a position shared by the USSR despite mythology to the contrary) - John McCloy personally responsible for that specific example but there's a reason he is in the position he is in - his views represent the interests of the broader capitalist class. In fact, the IG Farben HQ fittingly becomes Eisenhower's base of operations along with the OSS and eventual CIA (also see: Operation Sunrise), giving it the nickname the European Pentagon. Truman ushering in what is essentially the SS 2.0 (by his own admission post-Kennedy assassination) with the National Security Act of 1947 which creates the CIA, drawing a radioactive line in the sand with the entirely unnecessary atomic bombings of Japan - demonstrating both ability and willingness to commit to such destruction, and with the Truman doctrine declaring it to be US policy to rig the Italian election (to secure "democracy" from the extremely popular communist party, having been the only consistent force of resistance against fascism from the onset) and sending troops to Greece to ensure a similar path of subjugation to capitalism and in particular transnational US finance capital sks wall street. I could go on and on here, but the basic point is that you seem to be recollecting a past that never occurred. but one that is nonetheless shamelessly trotted out so consistently and ubiquitously one can be forgiven for believing it if they had no reason to be skeptical (ie were material beneficiaries of New Deal Keynesian policy), but this kind of simplistic WWII and manichean "cold" war history (not very "cold" when, say, engulfed in napalm) is the outcome of the very intentional lebensraum historical filter over World War II, specifically under the direction of literal nazi general and chief of staff of Army High Command (OKH) and Operation Barbarossa (invasion of USSR by Nazi Germany - where 70% of WWII occurred, the USSR sacrificing 27 _million_ to defeat Nazi Germany, intended to "strangle the Bolshevik baby in its crib" as its successor operations in Ukraine continue to demonstrate) planner/director Franz Halder who post-war was directly chosen as a lead consultant for the US Army Historical Division. Infamously Halder had his staff draft both the Commissar Order (issued on 6 June 1941) and the Barbarossa Decree (signed on 13 May 1941) that allowed German soldiers to execute Soviet citizens for any reason without fear of later prosecution, very much making it in his interest to redirect culpability for this deliberate settler-colonial working class civilian slaughter. Hitler's conception of "Lebensraum", now essentially being reattempted under the rebrand of NATO under the direction of the "US Reich" (as Carl Schmitt, et al. appropriately called it) gave particular homage to the settler-colonial conception of "manifest destiny" of the American project for serving as an actually existing example of that imperial plunder and its driving ideological tunnel-vision toward western expansion. At a conference in 1941, Hitler justifying it thusly, giving a small insight into how these demonic arcons think: _"There is only one task: Germanization through the introduction of Germans_ [to the area] _and to treat the original inhabitants like Indians. … I intend to stay this course with ice-cold determination. I feel myself to be the executor of the will of History. What people think of me at present is all of no consequence. Never have I heard a German who has bread to eat express concern that the ground where the grain was grown had to be conquered by the sword. We eat Canadian wheat and never think of the Indians."_ And of course after the war since aside from a handful none of the nazi leadership was punished thanks to the US/UK absolving/hiring them, Halder oversaw the writing of over 2,500 historical documents by 700 former German officers, whom he instructed to remove material detrimental to the image of the German armed forces. Halder used his influence to foster a false history of the German-Soviet conflict in which the German army fought a "noble war" and which denied its war crimes (or more accurately, implicitly justified their supposed "right to defend itself" necessity). Halder succeeded in his aim of exonerating the German Army: first with the US military, then amongst widening circles of politicians and eventually in American popular culture (the so-called "clean Wehrmacht" myth). Which is all to say I would be a _little_ more skeptical of claims about socialism in general, East Germany and the USSR in particular, especially in relation to the much mythologized "good war" that only continues to justify our imperial "full spectrum domination" in spite of the opportunistic cameo role the US played essentially to cut off a unified socialist base across Europe at Berlin (see: Operation Sunrise, Operation Gladio) and usurp imperial financial control from the British/European empires along with their expansive colonial networks and consolidating a more unified/cohesive direction under the brain stem of Washington/glorified protection racket of NATO to ensure the persistence of global capitalism in perpetuity. Or as Michael Parenti succinctly put it, _"using fascism to save capitalism while claiming to be saving 'democracy' from communism."_

[@randomcommenteronyoutube1055]

I'm an academic who relies on federal funding to do my medical research. This guy is an avatar of 99 reasons for public skepticism of academia and research. He's not the only one who thinks and talks like this. I don't agree with all of the Trump administration's plans for HHS, the DOGE, and the Department of Ed. But I am salivating at the prospect of purging people like Daniel Bessner from the intelligentsia.

[@blackphillip564]

It would actually be better for everyone. the academy can reclaim its mission to pursue capital T Truth and this blockheads can get in touch with the people who they purport to represent I.e the working class.

[@joeruiz4010]

Quietly behind closed doors, many in academia and the Federal Government Workforce agree with you more than you think. 👍

[@ricardocima]

How do you purge someone from the inteligentsia without censorship , prison or bullet?

[@geekylove3603]

Daniel is less of a threat than Donald. So your priorities are strange. Please come back to this comment in 18 - 24 months when you have seen the full scale of Trumps relative destruction of your country.

[@joeruiz4010]

@@geekylove3603 Daniel would like America to be akin to Cambodia in the 1970s and 1980s (Pol Pot Regime).

[@REM977]

Really great discussion. Thanks!

[@SyndariusFoster]

I could listen to you two for 13 hours, non-stop.

[@Shineon83]

I appreciate Dr. Bessner’s politeness & willingness to debate in a civil manner with a Conservative ( an unfortunately rare occurrence these days )

[@soloseer2011]

How can you argue that a nation built by immigrants escaping persecution has the right to disrupt the lives of people in other nations. That is hypocritical

[@TDQ_Gaming]

The Blue LED. The market popped that out of nowhere without any central planning and now TV's and light bulbs are using 15% of the energy they used to.

[@goldengoat1737]

“Deal with climate “ what does that even mean?

[@ektran4205]

alarmism

[@Sneaky-Sneaky]

@@goldengoat1737 Functionally….it means nothing !

[@goldengoat1737]

I am not saying one way or another but it seems like these Ideas have never even been challenged so they are just taken as fact. Kind of silly if this is the academic standard

[@andyspinas99]

Interesting discussion.

[@0dtetiger946]

55:22 we do have an ethical responsibility if we decide to reshape country in an effort to bring them “democracy”. The consequence of distasteful aftermath is upon us unless we aim to have world fearful and cautious of the “guiding hand” that is the America

[@Gracie289]

Smart people on both sides talking - that is what America needs right now...

[@Capt.Tony00]

I was hoping that Glen would make a few videos with Democrat colleagues on this topic.

[@beemo9]

Good discussion. I didn't always agree with both of them, but we need more civil dialogue like this.

[@laurelsternberg5861]

Daniel. The most polite thing I can say to you is "Who is this who darkens counsel with words without knowledge?" From central Israel.

[@DeborahRowePodcast]

A country's first "ethical consideration" must first be to its citizens.

[@peachessmith2389]

Don’t the leaders of the countries that people are leaving to come to the US have a responsibility to their citizens welfare. People would not flood into the United States if the leaders took care of their citizens

[@gandydancer9710]

You have an awfully inflated sense of the importance of "leaders".

[@ricardocima]

You mean Charles I should have kept your ancestors in England? Why dont you go back?

[@gandydancer9710]

@@ricardocima Why don't you at least try to connect your "response" to something that was said?

[@ricardocima]

@@gandydancer9710 well, what was said: people leaving their countries to go to America. Didn't the english do that?

[@notatall8722]

Y'all, "liberalism" is not over. But, there are two kinds of liberalism: _classical liberalism_ and _left-liberalism._ The GOP used to support the former, and the Dems supported the latter. But then the Dems abandoned left-liberalism in favor of identarian, surveillance-state leftism. They're no longer in favor of preserving any kind of liberalism. Meanwhile, the GOP continues to include a lot of _classical liberals_ among the people they call "conservative." Probably a majority. That's why a lot of "conservatives" are the only people still trying to conserve _liberalism_ (though their brains would explode if you told them that, because they've been trained to give a snarling Pavlovian response to the world "liberal").

[@goldengoat1737]

I’m curios on the academic view point of some cultures simply being better than others? Like how do you explain Japan being a successful country by most standards. With very little resources. As opposed to a country like Russia with a lot of resources?

[@technokicksyourass]

Dutch disease is the standard explanation. When you have a country with a lot of resources, and you engage in free trade.. it makes more sense to dedicate your effort to the less risky and solid returns of resource extraction, vs the higher risk/high return strategy of hi-tech manufacturing. Japan has no resources, so they can only go the high-tech road.

[@chippedcup]

As a graduate from UW with a degree from the Jackson school I’m sadden to hear this from a professor that so ideologically captured.

[@LS-xs7sg]

You are more likely to fight climate change by burning fossil fuels, building economies and betting on technological solutions than by using the government to restrict consumption and direct investment

[@MegLeeAnn]

Perhaps trees rather than central planning will solve the problem as more CO2 has lead to more trees and more oxygen. Regenerative farming wherein carbon is taken in by rich soil might be attractive for markets,. After all, the populace is becoming increasingly health conscious. Also, the soil of regenerative farms produces more rapidly (see research of Zach Bush).

[@herkdogg1]

Great conversation 👏👏👏

[@pablolasha238]

Also, I am unclear about when he (the guest) finds it appropriate to dismiss claims because they are purely philosophical , but then introduce new claims on the basis of ethics and how he finds those differences to be consistent within his framework of analysis.

[@johndunston2394]

An excellent discussion !

[@danielyerger3]

Seems like Dr. Bessner is missing the point of reshoring manufacturing. Our national dependence on foreign industry (China for PPE, Taiwan's semiconductor industry, etc.) Is a strategic vulnerability, and so while it's more utilitarian to have heavy industry overseas, it's a conscientious decision to bring back strategically important industry to the United States.

[@majorchutzpah7265]

I heard we won Ww2 because of our manufacturing base.

[@technokicksyourass]

That was the 2016 thing... nowadays we are talking about generally bringing it back... which I think is not a good idea... but probably doesn't matter so much.

[@BhutanBluePoppy]

I totally agree with Bessner about the categories of left and right night applying to USA in our age

[@ninadaly7639]

Wow! Bravo! Fascinating!This was a fabulous discussion!! Glenn, you need to do more shows with Mr. Bessner!

[@LMarkWeeks]

Fascinating. Glad I listened!

[@jasminecrandall2262]

I’m personally fond of yesteryear’s liberalism. However, today’s “liberalism” of corporatism, race baiting, division, censorship and moral superiority are ALL the reasons I was never a Republican.

[@brianmeen2158]

I don’t even know what liberalism means anymore

[@babyamyxo-o6c]

I am Gen Z (I know, what am I doing here? 😅) and “today's liberalism” as you described is what we grew up with. 😓But I keep hearing these phrases like “90s Democratic Party” or “yesteryear's liberalism” and so on. Honestly, unless this is “back in my day” Boomer nostalgia, what did it really mean to the average American of that time? Were the issues you mentioned not present 20 years ago?

[@jasminecrandall2262]

@ I was in my 20’s throughout the late 90’s until the early 2000’s and living on the west coast where I was born and raised. College was pretty inexpensive, rent was doable, and you could maintain a pretty good lifestyle even working just a part time job. People were tolerant of different opinions and politicians didn’t race bait and divide. The corporatists were the republicans. They were the party of censorship. They were the party of war. They were the party of pro illegal immigration for the cheap exploitive labor at the expense of the taxpayer. It was the Democrats that were anti Big Pharma, Big Ag, Big Corporations. They were the party of the people. Their message was anti establishment, get chemicals out of food and water, promote free speech, tolerance, and uplifting the working class. I don’t know what the Democratic Party is today, but it’s not those things. In all fairness, I don’t know what the Republican Party is today anymore either.

[@gypsylee333]

Yup today's Democrats are everything I used to hate about Republicans. Republicans are now the things I used to like about Democrats.

[@johnschmidt1262]

I really think both of these men have a great grasp of the situation.

[@sherrijones9777]

Concerning climate change: the earth has and will always fluctuate in temperature. There is no hard evidence that these extreme and costly ‘fixes’ will impact the climate in any meaningful way. We humans are so arrogant if we believe we have that much control. Another thought: what did the dinosaurs do to cause the ice age that lead to their extinction?

[@ektran4205]

abrupt climate change

[@technokicksyourass]

For sure humanity impacts the earth.. and always has... even in the stone age. However.. the hubris is the idea that we can mitigate our impact in a significant way. Humanity is fundamentally a biological organism, and it's impossible to survive as a species without increasing the entropy of the environment. It's a simple law of physics that we will use more and more energy.... and that's exactly what his happening. Sure we can mitigate it to some extent via spending an enormous amount of effort... but only those with a very comfortable lifestyle already can afford to do that.

[@keystoneken5032]

Great show!

[@lou.yorke.x]

The Western hegemony isn't evil. It’s this: adopt human rights, use democracy and capitalism. If any country does these things, the Western nations will leave it alone. And honestly, as long as a country adopts human rights and doesn't try and invade other nations, Western nations will leave it alone too. Actually, if a nation doesn't invade other nations and doesn't export terrorism, the West will ignore it. Israel absolutely needs to be an ethnostate right now. Anti-semitism and anti-zionism are ridiculously high. Hamas is a tiny group, but it's backer, Iran, is not. Iran wants to wipe Israel off the map, and wouldn't mind if America disappeared too. And Iran is backed by Russia, and Russia and China have their "special relationship". Presently Israel is kinetically being attacked by Hamas, Hezbollah, the Houthis, and Iran. Yeah, it's not the 1940s anymore, but that's not to say Israel isn't without its existential threats! Look out the window.

[@ricardocima]

YOu mean when US invaded some countries, the West didnt leave it alone?

[@ektran4205]

the left deifies democracy too much. hamas and hezbollah are funded mainly by the jimmy carter institute russia just wants bufferzones because they are afraid of getting invaded russia china and iran have an alliance of convenience

[@910house]

More of you both ❤️

[@Yimvision]

Daniel is not nearly as smart as he thinks he is. He's so confident and so wrong.

[@williamerdman4888]

Stands out to me too.

[@biruk316]

i love the honesty

[@aiistyt]

How does this guy get to dismiss Pinker’s “better angels” so flippantly, he’s not fit to lace his shoes

[@fs5775]

Because he doesn't get out much. Can you imagine this punk at any social event? Dude could clear a room in seconds lol

[@ricardocima]

@@fs5775 MAGA minions can only talk in ad hominen language.

[@SatSingh-mm4gg]

Great debate

[@philipmoss4027]

42:55: "You could argue that the trend of human nature is to have larger and larger sets of communities: from the village to the state.... Why couldn't that encompass the globe? That's an equally valid theory of history." Come on! This is just one example of how this guy--so wildly bucking conventional views that one doesn’t know where to begin disagreeing--permits himself, beneath the brash contrarianism, to be utterly naive, uncritical, and simplistic about even the most basic matters. And after all his skepticism, his touchstones are Marx, Bernie Sanders, and climate hand-wringing. What?! Just keep talking fast!

[@nancya7289]

He said this as a counterfactual to Mearsheimer's thesis.

[@ektran4205]

social engineering causes more long term harm than short term benefits

[@philipmoss4027]

​@@nancya7289I heard him. But while you could argue with the phrasing or conceptualization of Mearsheimer's theory of human nature, it at least captures the fact of the constancy of conflict throughout all of human history. Whereas, the idea that our human community could encompass all of humanity is pure fancy. (He even (good instincts here) puts it as a question, "why couldn't that [community] encompass the globe?", rather than risking the assertion.) Yet, he places this invention (a "counterfactual" relates to what did NOT happen) on an equal footing with the manifest FACT of human aggression and in-group/out-group dynamics. As I said, for someone so critical, so contrary, he is awfully uncritical about his own ideas.

[@Sneaky-Sneaky]

Here is a guy that could really help himself if he took the time to understand the Human condition much better….

[@sayrebonifield4663]

It never ceases to amaze me how someone can have such clear insights into the problems that arise from Capitalism, yet be be so blind that they could think that Marxism, which has proven itself to be orders of magnitude worse every time it has manifested, would be an alternative worthy of attention.

[@bozeeke]

Yes that is the underlying problem with these clowns

[@BhutanBluePoppy]

@@bozeeke 💯 Academic pov vs experience pov. Idealism v pragmatism. Living too much in yr head isn’t balance. IMHO the goodness of democracy is due to all having equal say. To many academics think they should run the world but don’t really have that commitment.

[@ektran4205]

@@BhutanBluePoppy career politicians only care about their political mortality

[@lojo1]

I’ve never heard someone call out people for saying “right” after a statement - I hate it too. Bessner is my guy.

[@cynanomite]

Yet again, a Marxist takes the well-trodden course of arguing from the stance that their perspective is (at least relatively) the more objective. And then goes on to espouse mostly subjective arguments. 1.Communism was never really given a chance (what if it happened in a strong industrial economy counterfactual). Does this imply that communism only works once capitalism has done "its thing”? Will that require running back to capitalism at some point? 2. It's immoral to support/intervene in global conflict because (our sense of) morality (on which we claim to justify these acts) can only be subjective or "philosophical". 3. Climate change is the real threat we should be focused on. (But this isn't a subjective or "philosophical" argument, of course). 4...

[@ricardocima]

So...whats your solution to climate change without top-down intervention?

[@stevecaldwell8740]

Hats off to the Glenn show for being a place where genuine left/right debate can still happen without people screaming at each other. The way it used to be...

[@josephbravo2590]

This fella seems to mistakenly believe that humanism is inherently incompatible with nationalism. He’s wrong about that. In the absence of nationalism his form of humanism would quickly devolve into an imperialism governed according to his own idiosyncratic priorities. Given that he assets that the entire world apparently has the wrong priorities, then one can only presume that some sort of authoritarian infrastructure would have to be created to coerce everyone else to live according to his version of humanist principles. William F. Buckley may have been wrong about a lot of things, but listening to Bessner makes me realize that Buckley was right about one thing, “I’d rather be governed by the first 100 names in the Boston telephone directory than by the faculty of Harvard.” 🎓

[@ricardocima]

"some sort of authoritarian infrastructure would have to be created to coerce everyone else to live according to his version of humanist principles." - like schools, for example.

[@josephbravo2590]

@@ricardocima John Dewey’s theory of education was based on the Prussian model which was created to indoctrinate young men to become compliant cannon fodder for the empire. So yeah, authoritarian agendas have been at play from the start within the American secondary education system which was never conceived to provide “universal education” but to ensure mass socialization of conformity. The last thing Dewey wanted was the proliferation of independent minded critical thinkers. He’d probably be well pleased with how things have turned out right according to his plan. 🧐

[@cynanomite]

As pointed out elsewhere, a major reason for differences in standard polling vs betting markets is because the former attempts to predict popular vote, while the latter, who wins the election. Eg, if you expected Trump to win electoral college, but not popular vote, some degree of this discrepancy is compatible.

[@jonaskerner1274]

Incredibly lunacy on immigration from Mr. Bessner. I love how he waives away any ideology he disagrees with as "philosophical", as opposed to "empirical", yet his ideas rest on solid foundations because .... ?

[@Doing_Time]

The polling from reputable pollsters was shockingly accurate this year...The 5 I mainly followed (baris, rasmussen, trafalgar, atlas, gallup) stayed within the margin of error on roughly 90% of their polls and were on the average right on within one or two tenths; more accurate than any of the betting markets I know of...

[@rickmcentee9204]

Seems like your guest makes a number of debatable assumptions about both climate change and what the election means. He's entitled to his opinion.

[@Rawstock92]

The left and the right only define one dimension … two points can only make a line; a third point is required for a plane (a landscape), and additional points add complexity, nuance, beauty, and horror - more like actual human experience. We need more than left and right.

[@stonecoldscubasteveo4827]

This guy's good intentions are working overtime laying down paving stones.

[@bozeeke]

they are not good intentions. They hardly ever are with Marxists.

[@timprekaski5749]

I learn something every time I listen to the Glenn Beck Show. Daniel is 100% correct from his point of view and mostly correct from my point of view. No one is 100 % correct, not I, nor Mr Beck yet I subscribe to his channel. Mr Bessener, my critique is that you are still stuck in the intelectual liberal body that limits your sight. That said, I appreciate you and I am glad that Mr Beck has you on his show. Blessing to you both.

[@fs5775]

I think this guest is smug and obnoxious and comes off as highly antisocial, I don't care if he's smart. Missing the civility and humanity of John McWhorter right now.