Leftist Video Essayist meets Trump Supporter (ft. CJ the X)

[@albatross-6520]

I think this and your jreg conversation is some of your best content. In my opinion you do well in long form conversations

[@ROBSAB055]

I also enjoyed his conversations with Roen

[@tkop8225]

Totally agree, especially when it’s in this kind of conversational format rather than a debate. You and CJ obviously have some differing views but when the foundation of the interaction is based on sharing ideas rather than argument it makes the video all around better to watch

[@zuephillips3450]

You think the episode with tons of miss info is good!

[@moonwish]

This and the convo with Jreg is amongst the worst conversations on youtube. You are talking deeply about a made up reality that you all live in. It's like talking about the made up issues in the wrestling world. You guys are intentional caricatures and take attention away from actual issues that people have so they can be entertained. And you know this, that's why it's so immoral and disgusting.

[@パガイ]

@@moonwish they're no more caricatures than anyone else in this hellspace, at least they are encouraging more people to get out and seek community

[@Igors_Sidekick]

Genuinely, and this is very much from the outside looking in, I think you have "found your tribe.". This video, the Horseshoe Theory Podcast appearance, your existing relationship with JJ, and the conversations you have had within each of these contexts alludes to this idea. Maybe it is time to move to Canada.

[@TheSherwoodRus]

He sat so far right on sofa its even comical

[@unreadlibrarian]

Two guys, five feet apart cause they not gay.

[@thoughtistic5807]

I think PFJ should make a Bridges-style podcast. Maybe even replace Destiny on the current one??? Edit - I say this because Destiny's role on Bridges is to be an interviewer not a debater. I think PFJ is a great listener and empathizer which fits the vibe of the show well.

[@BoolyK]

Him replacing destiny would be like if I flunked out of school so hard I somehow became valedictorian

[@bighillraft]

Imagine Destiny actually becomes a PF Jung orbiter

[@folkarino]

This is actually an idea. Kinda farfetched. But as I understood it, Erudite moved to Miami solely to do Bridges. So now she's like already in the neighborhood with nothing to do. They would inherit a nice audience base as well as I believe there's a sizable ideological overlap between Steven and PF's audiences. I really loved this conversation, e.g.

[@cowyeti21]

“Meeting in the middle- with PF Changs”

[@thoughtistic5807]

@@cowyeti21 it would be so funny if they filmed each episode over a dinner at P.f Chang's 😂 Food is a great mediator

[@bobwilkinsonguitar6142]

So far, this is the single piece of content I respect most from you Paul!

[@HeretiCleric]

Love that you’re talking to CJ, currently my favorite leftist philosophical thinkers.

[@mig_kite]

True centrist statements: -There are a bag of values that we apply based on any given situation. These values are conditioned to us through life experience, which incudes a slice of the history and inherited conflicts of humanity. In analysis we employ a hierarchy of conditioned values which forms the moral fabric of our society and our daily interactions. -Tolerance is only possible when you stand up for "intolerance". This "tolerance" and "intolerance" depend on the values of a society, it's something constantly being discussed. Importing other societies in mass and multicultiralism add another layer of complexity and conflicting values. We ourselves are often conflicted choosing between values to make the "right" choice. -Diversity is great and necessary. Closed societies don't benefit from the exchange of culture, but that's exactly what it is - an exchange, not a fusion. Fusion of two distinct cultures can result in massively conflicting values and morals. We can't forget how tribalistic we are, that's the number 1 function of identity. -Most important thing about logic is to know the axiom, that is what we usually choose by "irrationality" and "intuition", in other words emotion and gut feeling. To be a "Centrist" it's required to go beyond your axioms and being able to see two frameworks of distinct axioms. It's more than comparing conflicts and creating a third persperctive. -A true centrist knows there is no center. "Right", "Center", "Left" are just parties with a philosophy associated to distinct value hierarchy.

[@thoughtistic5807]

I'm loving the synthesis is this episode! Makes me so happy.

[@eret3]

This was honestly super interesting to listen through. Almost as exquisite as the way you two dressed for this conversation.

[@Rinzsuk]

One of your best videos right here

[@youtubeviolatedme7123]

I love that CJ can rarely be found without a glass of spirits

[@foundingfarther]

The flow of this conversation was like cough syrup JREG T-rexing in the wrong bathroom of a Bulgarian fancy dress party! Y'all need to talk more! ❤

[@pizzatime42]

Please explain what you mean by this 😭

[@foundingfarther]

@pizzatime42 please don't touch me there!

[@stonecoldscubasteveo4827]

@@foundingfarther You wouldn't have worn that if you didn't want him to.

[@foundingfarther]

@@stonecoldscubasteveo4827 you speak English? 😀

[@stonecoldscubasteveo4827]

@English? I thought the dresses were Bulgarian.

[@graemegeddes9958]

You've mentioned a few times that you don't feel like you know who your audience is. Obviously I can only speak for myself - but some portion of your audience (including me) are people who have been waiting in the wings to find content creators (like you) who sincerely attempt to embody actual centrism. And from that perspective - who cares what our political backgrounds are?

[@DillonMinasian]

man this is legitimately a fire conversation. they really seem to understand each other. never heard of the lefty guy but I'd love to hear more of this or to see him become a regular guest

[@thoughtistic5807]

@@DillonMinasian I absolutely love how CJ was so enamored how PFJ truly lives out his centrist ideals. The appreciation made me feel very warm inside. like there's hope for people understanding each other ❤️

[@desert_druid_xD]

This is how I know the internet of mine is real I asked God that yt would have cross overs and it's just banger after banger

[@desert_druid_xD]

IM THE SAME AUDIENCE

[@uunnoov]

Love this duo

[@handitover.]

this was such a treat, everything CJ touches turns to gold I swear

[@Terrordirt]

Nobody loves hiding his big head with a microphone more than Paul does

[@JW65]

We are so back Also you were in my dream last night, not sure what that means

[@SilverYPheonix]

NOW you're collabing with some one with some actual substance, this dude has an INSANE BRAIN despite his questionable clothing decisions

[@Johnnysmithy24]

Yeah why does he look like this

[@JAMellott23]

@@Johnnysmithy24Why do you think people have to look a certain way?

[@Johnnysmithy24]

@@JAMellott23 They don’t have to, it just looks weird. As for why, because I live in society and I’m conditioned

[@sebastiansirvas1530]

​@JAMellott23 What do you mean? People always have to look a certain way, whatever that way is. The question was about that specific manner.

[@saltyreboot]

YES more crossovers! Get some orbiters!

[@jrrthompson1996]

When CJ brought up the thing about looking at pop stars doing sexy things and knowing it's stupid and something he's seen a thousand times but not being able to look away, I immediately thought about the fire/babies example you brought up 30 seconds later. That's how I know I'm in the right echo chamber 😤

[@JesseTate]

Bravo, good collab

[@Papillon234]

Love your long form stuff. Your other stuff is good too, but your long form you genuine likeable demeanour is vary apparent and folks understand you more probably. Better convos too just generally in this format. And I can listen to you chat a long time while I work from home 😎

[@yaroslavivanov9787]

After the past two weeks, I need Paul to speak on his preference to vote for Trump. if the vibes are important, I can't see the vibe not being regret.

[@youtubeviolatedme7123]

I think Trump is giving what he promised to deliver, but nobody was ever really listening to what he promised to deliver. They were just listening to him complain about the establishment, and didn't realize that his solution was to throw the baby out with the bath water. That's the game we play in political discourse now. We've completely abandoned prescription for description. Let's all whine about the problem and never offer solutions.

[@locky7443]

Did he say he has a preference for trump? Genuinely asking cause I remember him saying he thought trump was going to win but that is not a statement of support.

[@thoughtistic5807]

​​@@locky7443 16:05 he said that he was happier that Trump won over Harris, but he himself did not like either candidate. He voted for Jill Stein.

[@locky7443]

@ yeah should have watched further into the video, my bad.

[@tetros5265]

​@@thoughtistic5807YIKES I came here to say "I don't think ur a trump supporter" But he actually is. No reasonable informed person should find Trump more favorable than Harris.

[@-jg9pi]

this is really good content

[@johnmegow8102]

I'm a strange fellow. Rather than an angel and a devil, the beings that sit upon my shoulders and battle for my soul are a Midwestern Republican and Oscar Wilde. When PF Jung and CJ the X collaborate it is like those two figures are speaking to me in unison.

[@bananbananowy3552]

This is very Yin Yang.

[@RurururuPopopopo]

This thumbnail excited me more than any other video in the last like 8 months

[@iagomartinezdealegriamader52]

I hope Cj still goes on Bridges

[@sneakers_guy5488]

The difference between thoughts and feelings sounds like the sort of responses you get when you listen to your 'higher self' vs. your 'lower self'. What you *should* feel or think vs. what you *actually, viscerally* feel or think.

[@tylerxbla7798]

Great vid and convo

[@CrimesNewRoman]

top ten anime crossovers of all time

[@doomtron4]

Would love to see a conversation between CJ and Kyla

[@leothepeo]

I think there's something wrong with the camera, because the brightness of the video keeps changing. This could also be natural light. I really like the video so far :)

[@saltyreboot]

It would have been nice to see your face though

[@kiwi6162]

47:35 To add a bit of sparkle to this comment , I see there is a general misunderstanding of individualism. Individualism is a foundational idea of liberalism, while collectivism is foundational to conservatism and socialism/communism. There is a lot of funny contradictions in the modern right wing spouting about individualism and freedom while at the same time talking about the degradation of the moral framework of society or corrupting the definition of family which are fundamentally collectivists ideas. And you kind of fall into this but not completely. The idea of family isn't conservative for example but the idea of maintaining a specific form of family and defending that institution is very much a conservative position. Modern day conservatives have a big worry of maintaining the "traditional family" of two hetero sexual parents and their kids this is where ideas like being against gay marriage or homoparental adoption are born, as they are perceived as an attack on the "traditional" form of family. This type of paradox is very common within American conservatives with their cult like adoption of american values like freedom, while at the same time defending things that aim to limit those freedoms with the goal of defending the morality of the nation. This btw is why I am a hater against people who identify as economically liberal and socially conservative as they are fundamentally contradictory ideas.

[@sebastiansirvas1530]

I recommend you check out the work of Hans-Hermann Hoppe.

[@micahgreen5553]

So is CJ's epic 4-part Jordan Peterson video a real thing that's out already, and if so where can I find it??

[@eliteelitebob]

0:54 YES my therapist demonstrated this to me on the first session as well

[@crushinnihilism]

A ton of people at food banks are well off, but just want free food. Ive seen so many people talk about how they do this.

[@TayoBiz]

very inspiring - two young artists meme-smithing, breaking bread and trying to spread good ideas

[@podzycie3567]

Why do I get the feeling you either train jiu jitsu or want to try… swing by 10th Planet Dallas sometime 🤓. This was a very enjoyable conversation to listen to while cleaning my house.

[@crushinnihilism]

Good note on Peterson and art. I've often argued his obsession with power and post moderns is textbook Jungian Shadow projection.

[@the.monologue]

Great talk! However, the camera angle could do with some adjustment. It almost looks like you're hiding from me. .. what're you hiding mister Jung...... what are you hiding?

[@flory.x]

looking at the left of the couch makes me want to sit farther on the right side of the couch

[@P.Aether]

I wish I could date CJ but he probably wouldn't like me :((

[@V23325]

Some of the reason these political content creators are effective is because they are not building themselves into a broader org. The social capital they is predicated on not being beholden to any larger structure. If they become “effective” they will lose some of what their audience goes to them for. Beyond that I think you may give Destiny more credit for him making a real difference in the voter base. I think it is reasonably probable that Destiny has turned more people away from voting Democrat than he has brought in. This wouldnt be reflected with his core audience but with casual viewers or those who came upon his content somehow, and I wouldn’t be surprised if his rigidity and analysis of anyone who is was on the fence about Kamala or Biden sent more people to trump than he was able to get to vote for dems.

[@ROBSAB055]

You think Destiny is abrasive so people on the fence instead would go vote for the most abrasive president in history? Seems logically consistent

[@roach590]

I am probably the biggest Destiny hater in the world but I don't think Destiny actually made the democrats lose votes, though I have nothing to back that up other than my gut feeling.

[@V23325]

@ that’s fair, I could be wrong. I have just seen some people who were middle of the ground types get really put off by the way he handles criticism of the Democratic Party. It’s possible they are all lying and secretly right wing like he claims but I think that just is an excuse and allows to stay on this track when he prob should have course corrected after the assassination attempt.

[@jennys209]

It depends on how well-connected his comments on the sh**ting were to the broader demographic of voters, in the younger, terminally online demographic, sure, but it would depend on how much that affect spread to other demographics of voters who are sometimes more likely to vote. In general though, it’s hard to say cause it’s not really measurable

[@ytho7228]

what are the optics of this video name

[@thoughtistic5807]

@@ytho7228 I thought about this too. I think it's to bring in an audience ready for fiery partisan rivalry and instead be cooled down by the refreshing waters of actual empathetic centrism

[@crushinnihilism]

For more on nondualism check out Idealism, Advaita Vendanta, and the Bhavaga Gita

[@videowatcher20000]

I've had the experience where I would say what I think and people would react negatively and then if I just said I feel that or I feel like and then just said what I think people were much more receptive to that. This was very annoying because it felt like I was lying to coddle their feeling instead of them having the truth and managing their own emotions. Frustrating

[@ashleygraham1011]

Well, i hope you still do a podcast with Kyla if she continues

[@MrVenrick]

wheres the part at the end about the joe rogan of the left just cuts off

[@zuephillips3450]

43:55 man life is simple we a meant to make babies it literally gives your life meaning. Easily one of the most underrated thing in life

[@JesseTate]

36:00 this is key about objectivity, people are doing this all the time nowadays.

[@nopemcgee2831]

How is PF Jung gonna defend his association with Destiny now? "It's actually centrist to post RP!"

[@fly_8659]

8:44 - Radical Centrist? Maybe ... This is David Graeber meets Thomas Piketty territory. How can we structure the economic activities of families, communities and nations? Money, markets and trade are not capitalism.

[@sensiclaus3884]

I like Charles Schwab & the global elite's as a name for a music group or a band 💯

[@btdtpro]

In practice the difference between thought and feeling, if can you explain it. For example, if I say, "I have a bad feeling about that guy", and you say, "what to you mean", and I say, "I don't know, something just seems off about him", then that would seem a lot like what most people would call a feeling. Alternatively, if I say, "I have a bad feeling about that guy", and you ask, "what do you mean?", and I say, "Well I just saw him slap that small child across the face several times", then that seems less like a bad free, and more like I have a specific issue with with based on a specific thing he did. I think feelings come for a need to respond to thing in life faster then our brain to translate data input. Or maybe more accurately put, in human history, those of us who acted on feelings before we could fully explain them, survived better and/or procreated more. It's better to be afraid it's a tiger and run when the tall grass shakes, and be wrong 99 time but right once, than to not be afraid it's a tiger and not run, an be right 99 times and wrong once.

[@crushinnihilism]

PF needs to read Ani.Mystic by Gordon White.

[@sydnacious4239]

Why?

[@crushinnihilism]

@sydnacious4239 his idea of memetic transfer would be better worked out through an animist understanding of thinking with rather than thinking about.

[@noeldaboss7875]

I still don’t get what the trump case is for people.

[@hannie-byt3]

some (many) relationships can make you a worse person especially since many relationships have a functional (not a relational) purpose to both you and the other person. You do need insight in order to discern this.

[@hannie-byt3]

also I disagree, now is probably not the time of revival of Christianity and family values (too parallel to and easily hijacked by fascism) - innovation and individualism will be more potent in a conformist-valuing culture. cultural curation, new modes of spirituality, fusion, travel, fantasy, even “escape” will be more prevalent in the next four years I predict.

[@RurururuPopopopo]

Big day for annoying people

[@spvrda]

Is that Billie Joe from Green Day

[@commanderyeti3646]

I can’t watch you until you stop interrupting. I’m 5 minutes in and it seems like talk to people rather than with them.

[@redmed10]

Usa is not a capitalist economy pf jung. It's a mixed economy. Always has been.

[@JesseTate]

Yeah it's wild Hasan doesn't collab more. He could grow so much but he just chose the lazy safe route and now he reads tweets all day

[@foundingfarther]

15:32 i get what you're saying, but as a leftist this feels so bootlicky 😂

[@foundingfarther]

34:05 story of my life!

[@foundingfarther]

1:08:35 i voted for Trump 2020 despite our differences for deeply personal reasons. I figured no one could misuse my vote worse than Obama 😂

[@larredderral6177]

I would really like to know why you would vote for trump instead of Bernie.

[@PFJung]

I would have if the DNC didn't stab him in the back

[@larredderral6177]

@ come on. It’s more than that

[@zuephillips3450]

Nobody like art they didn’t already agree with

[@JustinSailor]

Engage with substance

[@ecxstasy347]

Wait are you a trump supporter

[@redmed10]

Good of pf jung admitting he's a far right trump supporter. Eventually.

[@sgt0]

i want to see youre face bro. Why are you hidding

[@eduardomurillo9305]

yay centrism

[@12adix]

oh hell nah

[@acason4]

Voting for Jill Stein because you’re “passionate about Palestine” is comical considering that Trump is TWICE as bad on that very issue as Harris… 🤦🏼‍♂️ In a perfect world, I would’ve supported Stein over Harris (case closed), but we don’t live in a perfect world, Jill Stein could NOT win & Trump was an unacceptable outcome! Trump is the worst candidate in U.S. politics history! Period.

[@napakapa1046]

I would suggest that voting for Harris in a solid blue state or a solid red state for that matter, if the paslestinian issue motivates you, would be very strange. Battleground states are a bit of a tougher call i have to be honest. For some reason, democrats care about voters who wouldn't typically vote for them (never trumpers, centrists, independents, women in republican families) so by that logic, they could be pulled to adopting/moving towards green party stances even if only to cynically steal voters back. My 2 cents.

[@acason4]

@ I’m merely making the point that if a candidate has a zero chance of winning, voting for them is a total waste of time & vote. That’s just a fact.

[@napakapa1046]

@acason4 Of course, if the goal is strictly to vote for a winner, yes, voting for Stein makes no sense at all. If you want to send a message without pulling a lever for the other major party, then voting for Stein is valid.

[@acason4]

@ Send what message exactly: that you’re willing to use a protest vote to get an objectively worse candidate for your cause? How does this make any logical sense? This is like saying: My husband beats me so I showed him by divorcing him to show him & marrying a guy that says he’ll kill me. There’s an analogous scenario. How does that make any sense??

[@acason4]

@@napakapa1046 Send what message exactly?? That you’re willing to use a protest vote to get an objectively worse candidate for your cause? How does this make any logical sense? This is like saying: My husband beats me so I showed him by divorcing him to show him & marrying a guy that says he’ll kill me. There’s an analogous scenario. How does that make any sense??

[@rockbark2137]

Bump

[@IbnRushd-mv3fp]

Bro I don't care for people like this, they mentally and physically can not exist outside of cosmopolitan modernist malarkey and it just comes off painfully try hard when they think their takes are "based".

[@ChristopherWaddelow]

What the hell is cosmopolitan modernist malarkey? If you are going to criticize, at least make it legible to read.

[@bigwex1805]

You watched any of his videos?

[@tomlaw8821]

Why would you waste your time on this thing?

[@JoshuaCampbell-x9k]

NOPE!

[@rockbark2137]

Why not? Too scared??

[@G1rth_Worm]

One of the most annoying ppl ive listened to in a long time. Kept interrupting you. I lasted 10 mins

[@ChristopherWaddelow]

You are missing out severely my friend

[@NoBellTrading]

Looks absolutely ridiculous. Like wtf. This person needs friends that can be honest with them.

[@Xariks]

So you'd rather say unkind things than engage with the conversation, which is the point of this video. Gotcha.

[@NoBellTrading]

@@Xariks there’s a difference between nice and kind. I was not nice. I was kind. Conversation was great. I can acknowledge that and make a critique of their appearance. Welcome to being human.

[@rockbark2137]

​@@NoBellTradingwhy are you opposed to people looking ridiculous? Have you ever tried looking ridiculous in public to see what it feels like? How does aesthetic subjectivity factor into how you feel about the concept of looking ridiculous? You can of course answer all, some or none of those questions. I'm just curious as someone who doesn't give a heck about peoples aesthetic choices, I've gone out in public dressed up like a literal clown before, it's an experience worth having.

[@wade__]

oh right because if people don't share your exact opinion they're not being honest friends. cool.

[@IbnRushd-mv3fp]

Bro I don't even know why he brought this bundle of sticks, he's melting my brain with disingenuous rhetoric.

[@austinbruce6917]

I wish I could watch this without being disgusted, but I can’t.

[@Sekaclixerus]

…pausing to comment because Greg brought up the car thing in Montreal but didn’t say WHO the friend was and then, in front of the live show audience, proposed a scale of how many kids can be run over based on how much he loved the driver (Liam got like, 5 kids). CJ and Greg really are polar opposites that landed on the same point somehow.