Legacies Nozdormu is ALREADY Murozond, Isn't He? Cinematic Anlysis Legacies Episode 2

World of Warcraft Dragonflight is just days away from launch, and the new new Legacies Episode 2 cinematic continues the story it began in the opening installment; Nozdormu leading the Dracthyr Emberthal through a recap of important events involving the dragons, this time Neltharian and his fall into the corruption of Deathwing and his betrayal of the Aspects in the War of the Ancients. But there is one thing bothering Taliesin... is Nozdormu REALLY Nozdormu in these cinematics? Or is there a twist in the tale where actually our narrator is Murazond, travelled back in time for some reason. Let's look at the evidence (and talk Old Gods because why not)
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[@michaelmccafferty1706]

"Oh, and we've got two children." That made me smile. My very best wishes to your lovely family.

[@Untrentideful]

Clearly Nozdormu saw the Murloc timeline and became Murozond in his attempts to bring about that paradise.

[@AdriusFrostglare]

Murloczond

[@Eyblinkin]

Final boss of the expansion: Mrglozond.

[@miriamweller812]

Murloczond?

[@Yamidoragon]

Absolutely relatable

[@comlicab2041]

@@Eyblinkin If this is real I'm unsubbing forever I refuse to be a part of any effort to put a stop to the murlocverse

[@olly3231]

Legacies so far feel more like lore catch-up than hype-up pieces. And I'm actually really thankful for that. I've been enjoying them quite a bit for that reason.

[@Wyrmshield]

I think lore catch-up is the perfect thing for these cinematics to be. They're bite-sized snapshots of history told in-universe (which allows for things like skewing perspectives and being unaware of secrets to be revealed in the story)

[@thor.mukbang]

I think that’s good. I hope they actually don’t tell too much of the story until the patches. They’ve been burning through everything in release patches and then putting out terrible story and repetitive content in patches

[@azerothean]

True. I am trying to get my boyfriend to play wow, and for the first time, I used official video/media from blizzard to explain the story. He asked me how dragons in wow came to be, and I just showed him legacies in ep 1.

[@therethan-family1234]

At least Emberthal is not simply trusting "her eyes". She spends the entire expansion-patch with travelling through the isles, listening to different aspects, searching for records to what happened. Other Dractryr do the same. So they don't put their dragon-eggs into one single basket.

[@kalistoh]

She's clearly suspicious about all he's telling her. Having too a portion of his power, maybe she feels that, while it's true, there's something else that his not telling. That even shows at the end of the ep. 2.

[@SoulHuN7eR]

3 expansions in a sentence: Trust our ways, trust the path, trust your eyes.... An illusion? What are you hiding?

[@AllistorRichards]

One thing to note about Nozdormu's "we could not foresee this betrayal," line: It's quite possible that Nozdormu's trust in the other aspects-with him calling them family even with the "clutchmates," line-it's just possible he avoided looking into the futures of the other aspects at first because he believed in them more than his own foresight. Given that the aspects have been heavily hinted as one big polyamorous family I could see Nozzy thinking there could be no bigger Faux Pas than to look into the future of people he genuinely loved.

[@danyg4063]

Well, the full line is "We could not foresee this betrayal, for we simply did not want to believe." I don't think it's a literal "We couldn't foresee it" like it was being blocked from his vision. This sounds more like a "I saw something like this happening, but I didn't want to believe it possible, so in my hubris, I made myself willingly blind to this possibility. It had to be a trick." Something like that. The aspects so trusted Neltharion - they were as clutchmates, if you recall - that they turned a blind eye to any red flags. "When you wear rose-colored glasses, red flags just look like flags."

[@NightWing1800]

I don't think it's possible for Nozdormu to avoid seeing Deathwing though, because even though he might not have traced his future specifically, the influence is so widespread that he would eventually see that something had happened involving him, ya know? Like he can't not look into the future and avoid noticing the ripples of Neltharian's betrayal that would have to lead him to the conclusion that he became evil.

[@kalistoh]

@@NightWing1800 Maybe he couldn't actually see it (the Dragon Soul maybe blocked his vision), and while he could still see the voids indicating what happened, he couldn't be able to believe it, trying to find a "logical explanation".

[@NightWing1800]

@@kalistoh I'm on board with that or old god influence literally preventing him from seeing things. I more so meant I don't buy the idea the Nozzy was too trusting and just chose not to look even though he could have, because of how widespread Deathwing's impact is, even in the short term pre-cata events. I think it has to be some kind of magical blindspot or interference for him to just not know things.

[@killerbee.13]

@@NightWing1800 What if he was actually able to see it, but he already knew about the old gods and their corruptive tendencies, and trusted his surrogate brother enough that he just dismissed his own foresight as being probably the result of old gods attempting to corrupt him?

[@ianmckay2542]

Neltharion's ability to hide his actions from Nozdormu may be from an alliance with Murazond, who could have traveled back through time and helped Neltharion create the Dracthyr. I'm not sure who could hide parts of time from Nozdormu but himself.

[@charliek7381]

that's a cool theory

[@marshtuary955]

Just realised something really sad on Alexstrazsa's part. Three of four of her siblings are dead, all of them driven to madness, and her last remaining brother is predetermined to be doomed to the same fate. I feel bad for her

[@durk5331]

As the Dragon Queen, the Broodmother, the Life-Binder herself....... It really is Just Super Awful to see the 4 Dragons she's relied on all of her eternal life one by one turned to madness by the very gifts they were given by the Titans and Eventually slain... and the Fact that what should have been Her Own breaking point - being enslaved by the Horde with the Dragon Soul and forced to hand over her children to die for that demonic war machine - didn't drive her to madness.... God... I just... my heart absolutely Breaks for her x.x

[@BearSwipes]

I actually wonder if all this focus on her (the box art, the log in screen, the focus of the cinematics when we watch the past) is an indication of her death later in the expansion.

[@kirksaintpatrick3921]

Another interesting thing..... there were 4 Old Gods implanted on Azeroth: Y'Shaarj, C'Thun, Yogg Saron, and N'zoth. Neltharion was corrupted by N'Zoth Malygos was corrupted by Yogg Saron Ysera was corrupted and klled by Xavius, a servant of the old gods. Norzdomu becomes corrupted by an old God..... perhaps C'Thun or Y'Shaarj? I know those are dead but....

[@durk5331]

@@kirksaintpatrick3921 Nah, they were corrupted by the very gifts the Titans gave them... Neltharion was indeed corrupted by the old gods because of his connection to the very earth they were buried in Malygos with his connection to the Arcane had been in millenia of insanity and hibernation after his part in creating the Dragon Soul during the War of the Ancients, and the energy of the Netherwings that had been brought to the Nexus drew the madness away, and seeing the world Filled with Magic Users after the last thing he remembered being the War of the Ancients.... Yeah he kinda started the Nexus War to stop what he saw as Insanity... So he was following his Charge... Ysera's connection to the dream made her very susceptible to the Nightmare and Nozdormu? its going to be due to secrets hidden from his command over time by the titans themselves (more than likely)

[@fallenvideogames2121]

I mean ysera is reborn and could probably visit if the winter queen allowed it either her going to alextraza or vice versa

[@Bear_of_light26]

I think Nozdormu's blindspots actually have more to do with the Titans than the Old Gods, be it either he can only percieve the timelines that Amanthul allows him too as means of manipulation or even Amanthul's lack of ability to predict the actions of mortals.

[@Joe-pm9xv]

I like the idea that arcane influence is just a piece of the puzzle that constructs the reality of the timeline in the WoW universe, and Nozdormu is too egocentric in his faith toward the titans to realize

[@BoomTag]

For the same reason the Dragon Isles have been 'shrouded' perhaps?

[@nitebones1]

i dont think he is full murazond but maybe right at the end of being nozdormu, like he knows it is coming and preparing for it. maybe what he is searching for is what changes him

[@robertg7249]

finding out that the titans influenced the dragonflights into being their order slaves might be one of the things that turns him. stop caring about order and finally looking out for himself and probably the rest of the dragons.

[@nitebones1]

another reason this might be the case is we are getting the revamped Uldaman in the prepatch, which does really feel strange like why a dungeon. well in said dungeon you got the infinate dragon flight trying to steal some disks that they bring back the aspects, what if they are talking about the final change to empower nozdormu into murazond

[@cxfxcdude]

Mmmmmgggggrrrrll!

[@cxfxcdude]

Mmmmmgggggrrrrll!

[@fynaglin9075]

My take/theory on this is yes he is not Murazond, yet... I believe the "unseen" thing Norzdormu is looking for is HOW he turns into Murazond. And yes Chronicles says he is corrupted by the Old Gods, but HE doesn't know how. And maybe the Dracthyr are part of that missing piece, but I believe Norzdormu is trying to figure out exactly how he turns into Murazond specifically to try and stop it. And I think he does because he hears the whispers, and he was able to resist him. But seeing Deathwing and having lost his power as Aspect means he could end up like Deathwing, and he doesn't want that. But I believe the thing he is looking for to prevent him turning into Murazond is the very thing which DOES turn into Murazond. Also Tali is rightly stated he sees all timelines all the time, so how could things be hidden from him? Yeah it could be Old God corruption and their power could disrupt the sight of those who can see through time. I mean they are even older than the Titans and are primal entities so it's possible. But going back over the cinematic, when Deathwing betrays them, Norzdormu looks sad but he doesn't look SURPRISED... It's almost like he may have known something like this was going to happen... Not exactly the events, but he knew a betrayal was inbound. But here I'll throw out two theories which may follow parallels to previous stories (as in WoWs theme now). 1. Whatever turns Norzdormu into Murazond will likely be knowledge which is so disheartening and makes him feel powerless. This would parallel Sargeras, who was tasked with imprisoning demons from the Twisting Nether but became so despondent from the never-ending demons and their corruption he creates the Burning Crusade in order to "purge all corruption." 2. Whatever Neltharion created and hide (even from Norzdormu and everyone else) is both what creates Murazond but also what is the world's salvation, and looking back even corrupted Neltharion was working to save Azeroth from the Old God's. This could parallel Illidan, who for countless years was thought of and fought as a villain trying to take over the world but turned out he was trying to save Azeroth all along. The difference being Neltharion either went mad (or knew he was going mad) before he plan came to fruition and relies on the heroes to continue it.

[@Marqrk]

I think it’s implied Nozdormu knew that the dragon soul was corrupted In the Yogg Saron fight we see Ysera notice the dark glow of the Dragon Soul and Nozdormu says “For all to be as it must be, yes” I don’t think it’s meant to be that he had things hidden to him by Neltharian

[@aaronsmith8644]

I genuinely believe Blizzard want us to question who exactly our narrator is. Whether it is or isn’t Nozdormu - I feel like they want us to look at nozdormu throughout the expansion with a side of caution. Each time we interact with him, we’re going to question his exact motives. I doubt they’re going to outright reveal if this is in fact Murozond, but knowing blizzard, it’s no accident that we’re having this discussion.

[@joaojuby]

Yes! So much this! As far as we know, it can be any version of nozdormu from totally honest to totally corrupt, and that makes us think of the possibilities. Good for them, good for us, good for the franchise, hope the mistery lasts long.

[@willythemailboy2]

Not just "already" Murozond, he was ALWAYS Murozond. From the moment of being given the power over time, he's just been playing a "good" character and a "bad" character but the actor and the plan are the same. Sometimes he just needs to prod the timeline in both directions to get the outcome he needs.

[@amouramarie]

Whoa... this is why I LOVE timetravel shit. It forces you to doubt things and rethink things and is constantly capable of surprising you.

[@Falarson92]

Laurel D. Austin's departure was the hardest blow to Blizz's cinematics, IMO. She's a god-like artist and her style is sorely missed.

[@greenmountainmodels]

Hundo Percent

[@NekoNihhal]

It is, the second I saw first Legacy video, my heart crushed a little. This new artstyle is also lovely, but previous cinematics had this raw brush energy, it was far more expressive, it was something... else. Something that inspired me so greatly as an artist myself. But I'm happy for new artists and I wish them best, truly. Legacies are great and they nailed Alexstrasza's visage form (and so much more! Alex part was just my favourite), that I must admit.

[@Mirimes]

I think her style resembles Marc Brunet's style (former blizzard artist too)

[@jetfajita]

I believe he is still Nozdormu, but we are watching his last steps to becoming timey wimey boy

[@cis22]

The discussion about how the old gods are somehow doing something that prevents Nozdormu to not see the future properly is quite reminiscent of the audiobook "A Thousand Years of War" where there are certain things about the future that X'era couldn't see and when Alleria started using Void magic, that's when it's revealed that people who worship the Light can have a blind spot because they couldn't see what the Void sees. I wonder if that's related somehow.

[@Kiwicrack]

One bit I noticed today, rewatching it. So, 'Nozdormu' is showing Emberthal these visions of times that were using the sands (we see the golden swirly magic) BUT....his right pauldron and his neckpiece seem dormant, dead. We DID see the sand drop from his pauldron at the end of Cata though...

[@thatoneguynobodylikes8553]

I think my favorite part of Dracthyr using all the dragon flight powers is that it gives us a perfect reason for Nefarion to want to make his prismatic flight, and for deathwing to make the twilight flight. They're both trying to recapture the incredible power of the Dracthyr without having access to whatever maguffin was used to make them on the dragon isles.

[@TK199999]

As for why Norzdamu didn't see Deathwings betrayal, he says specifically that he didn't want to see it. For the even concept of it was so painful. At the same time the Bronze Dragon flight see's possibilities, not the true future. So its impossible for them to know which will happen, they try to influence the creation of a future they want. As for what is under the Dragon Isles, there is a rumor that there is a missing Old God. There is some fluff to suggest that there is an unnamed Old God Imprisoned somewhere deep inside Azeroth. One that we don't know his name or what his power/aspect was. Like Yog'sarn death ect. I always wondered why the other Dragon Flights didn't question why Deathwing and the Black Dragon flight used human, rather than Elf avatars. We know humans existed in this time, its just that they were in primitive tribes in what will be Arathi. But did they ever wonder why? I know some have suggested that the Old Gods see themselves as the Gods/Creators of humanity specifically. So the Old God Corrupted Black Dragons as servants of the Old Gods also take on the form of humans. Oh and no I don't think Deathwing looks like Horus Lupercal in his human form.

[@Scramelramel]

Nozdormu says that he didn't see Deathwings betrayal because he didn't want to see it. I think the same is true for the mountain. I believe it contains the proof that the titans were assholes, and that Nozdormu doesn't see that betrayal because he does not wish to see it. This would lead him to evil and to a wish to destroy the Titans (including the one in Azeroth) with all his might. Similar to how he says that stopping Deathwing was the only way.

[@EdBurke37]

I always took Nozdormus time sight ability as kinda like Doctor Manhattans where he can see all the various paths of time but can't really act on it until it finally reaches the set moment of the present.

[@Wyrmshield]

I like Tali's theory of it being Deathwing that is able to make things that Nozdormu can't see, because that fits well with the Dragon Soul which Noz contributed to. It gave Deathwing power over all the other dragons, which I can imagine including making "blind spots" in the timeway that Nozdormu can't see into

[@NotCompletelyHuman]

Can't wait to cry AGAIN, after killing another dragon I love AGAIN.

[@Eventwow]

I got sad with Ysera’s death

[@ravenerie]

I like how Neltharion's humanoid form is of a human - the most vulnerable race in terms of will. Also, he is the only aspect with non elven form.

[@Aeluron]

Mostly cause his earlier appearence was him interfering with humans really, not because humans are just super vulnerable will wise.

[@ravenerie]

@@Aeluron makes sense, thanks for clarifying

[@lukelorianTRON]

Also: Murozond is the one who corrupts deathwing, and the person hiding time from nozdormu is Murozond.

[@Trumie]

I like that theory, however, in my head, Murozond does not corrupt Neltharion but rather reveals the treachery of the Titans to him in search of an ally, Neltharion is then disillusioned and creates the Dracthyr to rebel against the Titans before going too far and turning to the old gods for assistance. There is mention of the old gods whispering to him of treachery but perhaps there is evidence to support those whispers

[@KirkpatrickSounds]

@@Trumie Interesting idea. Murozond could have been influential in the corruption of Neltharion, knowing he would create the Dracthyr and that they would be confined - waiting in stasis for him to wake them up one day and use them himself.

[@lukelorianTRON]

​@@Trumie I guess to me these are one and the same, like basically, he gets corrupted, goes to Nelth to try and cure the corruption, which is when Nelth creates the Dracthyr. While trying to cure Nozdormu he transforms into Murozond, locking the Dracthyr in stone. During this fight is when N'zoth is able to reach Nelth and turns him astray. This can even be somewhat less explicit in the cutscene like the Dracthyr are just fighting murozond in dragon form not knowing it's nozdormu fully.

[@pierrehun93]

I really hope we will get to somehow battle Deathwing, and maybe Galakrond through the infinite dragon timeway stuff. Anyways, the story has great potential! :)

[@30ratsstackedinatrenchcoat91]

Same, I feel like battling Galakrond would be so fun!

[@Snowrulez1977]

Shadowlands had potential too....😆

[@Kitty-Cat]

As long as we don't have to fight Deathwing's spine again I'm game!

[@arthasmenethil4672]

I'd love if the big bad this expansion is Murozond and he somehow revives both Deathwing and Galakrond and we end up fighting Deathwing in a dungeon where he ends up impaled on the tower. Then the final battle for us is against Galakrond in a raid while our past selves are fighting Murozond in the End Times dungeon. We, and Nozdormu thought that was an alternate timeline, but it turns out to be the future of OUR timeline.

[@Dooferification]

I think the 3rd chapter is going to be the moment that's changes him. He doesn't know what changes him and this is the place he can't see

[@MorganRhysGibbons]

Great work as always. Two thoughts: - Nozdormu explains that he didn't *want* to believe that DW would betray them, it's possible he saw it, but denied it because of the emotional pain it would cause. - Thrall's giant beads are a street fighter reference, specifically to the character Gouki/Akuma, who has giant buddhist prayer beads. A lot of Japanese monk/priests have big, heavy necklaces like this, and it's just an East-Asian symbol of reflection, asceticism and pilgrimage, which was what Thrall was doing in Cataclsym.

[@KirkpatrickSounds]

I think the Dracthyr are being prepped to clash against the Titans. Almost indirectly via the Old Gods (i.e. created by Neltharion, awoken by Murozond). Nozdormu and the aspects were pawns of the Titans. When Nozdormu finds out about the deception of the titans this may lead him to shatter the timelines (to escape the 'true timeline' where Titans maintain order and control) and become Murozond. Thus also explaining why he doesn't want the aspects to regain their power - to prevent them becoming pawns of the Titans. This will then potentially align with the backstory we're discovering about Avaloren. I'm guessing we may see this continue to escalate via further plot points to the Void vs Light conflict in the future. Yrel, the Light, Turalyon, the Titans vs the Void, Old Gods, Sargeras, Murozond etc with us in the middle. Or not, who knows!

[@datlobstaguygenius1792]

I also think whatever happens through out this expansion may lead to some world revamp in 11.0 to coincide with the 20th anniversary. Through the past few expansions they've been bringing old world models and textures up to scratch through new content, and with a greatly expanded dev team they absolutely have the man power to do that. Though I also don't think that change will happen off screen, I also don't think it'll flat out replace the current world, I don't think they'd do cataclysm again, I think the current world would still be accessible through chromie time or something. Story, gameplay and systems wise, it's all a very exciting time to be a Wow player :D

[@vladudrea9747]

Problem is, Nozdormu could always see all of time. He should have already known everything about the Halls of Infusion and the rest

[@miatomi]

@@vladudrea9747 aren’t they explaining that right now?

[@datlobstaguygenius1792]

@@vladudrea9747 Especially given what was in those Uldaman books, I could see it being a thing where "Time is a construct of order, of the titans, and the titans manipulated Nozdormu's vision of it, limited what he could see" etc.

[@Nexusshade]

I just remembered and had a thought... Nozdormu wasn't pressent during the making of the dragon soul, but he had a bit of his essence traped with his flight so they could give that to the dragon soul when he was gone. I might have to read the trilogy war of the ancient books again...

[@antonioserranoalbarras1519]

I get to KZbin, I see a cinematics analysis by Taliesin&Evitel, I see that it is almost 50 minutes, I smile. Let's go! :)

[@JabsYea]

I'm pretty convinced that we're gonna see Deathwing's justification for creating the Dracthyr, which will be to create an army to fight against the titan's over encroaching influence over cosmos (because balance is good n all that i guess). Nozdormu will struggle with realizing that the whole "hour of twilight" thing was entirely justified actually and fly away all flustered and panicked. Seed planted for future Murozond Infinite Dragonflight patch, bing bam bosh.

[@danielshoemaker4615]

Hey Tali, just wanted to say I appreciate all your hard work. I see you working hard to build a home, take care of a family and mange to still put out content. Been watching for a long time. Always look forward to a new video from T&E. Keep up the good work

[@Whalebelly2239]

Massive respect to the two of you for all your hard work. Really glad that you decided to put this analysis out. All the best.

[@NetherCrafterSMC]

It feels like Nozdormu's vision of time is very much like the Lights view of time while the Old Gods act in the voids view of possibility

[@DivineAegis02]

That’s what I think also. It’s vision is from order or the titans. And it only shows him going evil as the only path the titans/order wins. It’s probably not the complete reality.

[@MasterZeus94]

37:45 Here's a thing: Nozdormu does not answer the question "was there any other way" to stop Deathwing. He gives a very roundabout answer, shifting the subject and making it look like an unavoidable noble sacrifice.

[@Flummiification]

I believe he doesn't answer a single question in these

[@davidwatts373]

The Mortals of Azeroth were already confirmed to be outside of the planned fate, hence why we could defeat Elisandre without her seeing it. By creating Dracthyr by combining Mortals and Dragons, could they also not exist outside of the predetermined fate laid forth by the First Ones? Spitballin' here.

[@Expression2.0]

Thanks Tali for making the video :) I was waiting with excitement

[@MrKvasi]

The End Time dungeon timeline is no longer possible, since it only happens "should Deathwing fail to be stopped". So we haven't killed Murozond.

[@Tony007corp]

The moment Nozdormu goes mad huh? Someone is about to read the plot of shadowlands to him.

[@Thromash]

23:00 no one ever mentions but during this scene when they show him becoming Deathwing, his skin is also now split & starting to show lava. It was not like this at any point in the cinematic before this but continues for the rest of it.

[@peterslavik1449]

The thing about the version of Murozond that we defeat in Cata is that he's from an alternate timeline we prevented, we effectively undefeated him when we defeated Deathwing. Nozdormu was the least affected by sacrificing his Aspect powers because he exists in an eternal loop, meaning he'll be much more powerful specially if we give the dragons more Aspect power. Effectively Nozdormu and Murozond are two different entities existing between his creation and death, we have to kill both to keep them dead.

[@peterslavik1449]

I think we are going to see the birth of Murozond in the next episode, Nozdormu doesn't know how it happens so it's natural that is what's blocked from him. It'll be like a paradox moment and they'll split

[@lily_evildm2317]

I hope that underneath the Dragon isles is another entrance to the Nerubian Empire and we get a proper patch for them like we should have had in Wrath

[@MalisDelnaria]

As someone who was already building an Infinite Timereaver cosplay for the next Blizzcon I am 1000% behind an Infinite Dracthyr!

[@joshuamiller8533]

No one seems to think it's weird that the "Sands of Time" that Nozdormond is wielding looks just like the 'disguised Sigil of the Primus' that we found in Korthia (chamber of the sigil)... It's the same animation and implies that the Sigil was hidden in time.

[@NekoNihhal]

Thank you Tali, I love your analysis and it makes me even more hyped for new expansion. Wish you good luck with building the studio and have a lovely day

[@RodrigoLeaf15]

A little detail I loved about the video is, when Neltharion turns into Deathwing and attacks the dragons, the music turns REALLY similar to the Cataclysm trailer one (Oh, do I know that song xD)

[@KakavashaForever]

I actually really like the edited live content. I don't much like pure live stuff just ported straight from twitch, but once its edited a bit I think its tops.

[@taneelbrightblade6622]

Would be really cool if black dragon spec evokers became a thing after we find and snuff out the corruption that's in Neltharion's heritage

[@whiteguy7175]

I hope what we get at the end of Legacies is the origin story of how Noz is first corrupted. I mean usually the old God corruption takes a minute and repeated whispers to turn someone, maybe this is Noz's first step toward his inevitable corruption into Mur

[@barefootwanderer]

I love these videos @Taliesin, it makes me wonder if you and Blizz are in an easter egg hunt arms race lol. Your analysis of these videos is great, and you pull so many threads together in doing them, makes me think the cinematic team are probably pushing hard to give you (and other lesser analysts) things to dig for. I love it.

[@nathaliemlromer]

Remember that C'Thun invaded Tanaris, and Tanaris is above Caverns of Time. Whispers from another Old God "corrupted one among the Bronze Dragons" when this invasion happened. That's when he began to change to become Murozond.

[@VerfluchtKrieger]

Thank you for the fantastic content you continue to pump out during what sounds like a incredibly hectic, busy, but also exciting time in your life. Always feels like a treat when one of your vids pop up, especially these analysis videos. I'm a sucker for longer form discussion and hearing people speak passionately about things. Just hope you all also take time to relax and not burn yourselves out, you more than deserve it for being the awesome humans you are.

[@vathorean5007]

Taliesin talking at the end about things beneath the dragon isles, the first raid seems to be basically underground and it looks like be might go around ground for a patch

[@RedwoodRogers]

Deathwing was using tachyon particles to inhibit Nozdormu's ability to look through time.

[@Appathas]

That final shot with all the archways and doors... I might be reading way too much into it, but do they remind anyone else of Old God eyes?

[@Argosh]

The best story to tell here is that of vanishing lines and everything turning into shades of grey. We're seeing Nozdormu becoming Murozond. There is no magical moment where he goes \*ping* and becomes Murozond.

[@teddyhoffman8391]

I'm glad to hear that Tali has also found some of these lines from 'Nozdormu' suspicious and odd. When I watched each of the cinematics for the first time I had a "hu...this feels like a villain thing to do/say." If I was reading a book these cinematics is the part of the book where the character who hasn't been revealed to be a villain but is 100% the villain is trying to recruit a new lieutenant. I don't think Tali's "is this actually Murzozond" is as far fetched as it might seem at first... That ending though....made me really excited to see what's next. All this said....I do love the idea that we spend this expansion trying to help Nozdormu prevent his corruption only for us to fail at the 11th hour at the end of the expansion. We've known, basically forever, that Nozdormu becomes Murozond and it would be really cool if we could get something a bit like a Greek tragedy. We know the outcome of our questing, and we know that Murozond is the future....but we try really hard anyways to save him and almost forget that Murozond already exists and that means that Nozdormu falls. I think that would be an amazing way to end the expansion

[@meesy498]

Right at the start of the first one she asks him who he is and instead of giving a name, he simply says something like 'one who would be your guide' His identity has been well suspicious through the whole thing and yeah totally agree with the whole 'trust your eyes' bit. Even though he's shown her a bunch of stuff these last 2 episodes, the whole point of him going there to find her was to get to that room they are in at the end. I also agree with you that nelth was able to hide stuff from nozdormu/murozond. Considering that drakthyr can use various types of aspect magic, he's going to need her to use the sands of time to show him something, maybe something that happened in that room. I'm sure that we'll get to see the drakthyr's creation next week in the video, but maybe that thing he needs to see isn't their creation, but something that happened in that room later on. It looks like a council room of some sort, maybe a court room or something. Do we know for sure what neltharion/deathwing did with the dragon soul when he used it? What if he used the dragon soul while corrupted by the old gods to bestow some kind of power or knowledge on the drakthyr officers in that room, her being one of them?

[@Iserguy579]

Nozdormu said something very similar to Varimathris. "Blind to the Darkness in our midst" no idea how or if it could work together but just throwing that out there

[@Anthony-zz8te]

It would be great if Blizzard would add a new building to Org and SW that housed short reads about wow history and lore. The condensed version of each expansion’s story, and older Warcraft games. They could have a goblin/gnome operated movie theatre to view all of the cinematics and in game cut scenes, and if they truly wanted to dig into the idea maybe add a bronze dragon character to have small instanced scenarios where you play a quick portion of the major moments of each expansion. Maybe add a cool book themed flying mount as a reward for completing all of the scenarios. It would just be nice to have a place for in game lore actually in game.

[@Ishtarded]

That cannot be Murozond. Nozdormu sees his own death, which then causes him to become Murozond. At the end of this cinematic, he asks emberthal for her help to see something which he has been unable to in the past (his death). This directly implies he hasn't made that transition but is in that progression.

[@TheoRae8289]

He needs her because the dracthyr's creation he didn't see and she was there. meaning she also knows what Neltharian told them was their purpose. Also the series is called "legacies" and the dracthyr are Nel's legacy.

[@Gamer9o]

This brings me back to Wrath times when we did the quest in Dragonblight where we kinda stopped corrupted nozdormu

[@doncuzu2576]

Hi Evi and Tali Great video as always. First off, at 16:50 when you are talking about whether he was created by disappointment in the Titans or by the Old Gods, remember that using Chronicle as source material especially in this situation is a bit flawed, as it is written from the Titans' perspective, so obviously they would have us believe that he was created by the Old Gods, and not by something related to them. I think the most realistic could be a combination of finding out some truths about the Titans that puts them and their actions in a bad light, but also getting influenced in some way or another by some corruption or Old God stuff. Another interesting aspect to the "blindness" of Nozdormu, or at least a potentially interesting observation based off your train of thought that Old God powers can block true vision or time vision, or whatever we wanna call it. That is, if Murozond is indeed corrupted and turned by Old God influence, then he should be able to have all information that Nozdormu has obtained up until that point, but also be able to block Nozdormu and his time travel vision to find out or figure out what Murozond learns after changing, and therefore being infinitely blind to his exact future and the consequences from it. (I just really hope that we will not end up in a multiverse situation with 3 different Nozdormu's and 7 different Murozond's all chasing each other through time to achieve and obtain whatever powers and knowledge they think they need to "win" at whatever they might wanna fight. It is also curious to think about that all dragon aspects has or will become corrupted by Old god influence, either directly or by extension, except Alexstrasza. Neltharion = directly, Malygos = as a result of blindly trusting and following Neltharion and then struggling to deal with the consequences, Ysera is corupted by Xavius - who is corrupted by the old god influence on the Emerald Dream, creating the emerald nightmare, and lastly, Nozdormu will turn into Murozond in one way or another. Is that then also indirectly an indication of what will/could happen to Alexstrasza at some point as well? Lastly, all the work and animations involving shadows vs light in the 2 Legacy cinematics so far, and potentially seeing shadows as representing of Old Gods and light maybe representing enlightenment and thereby the Titans, who coincidentally are directly opposite of the Old Gods and have done everything to fight, experiment or "confine" them - really makes me wonder, what the next expansion could be... :P

[@Nick-is-Rad]

Honestly didn't mind the unscripted theory crafting, Tali! Don't be shy in doing more content where you're just hanging out in the future!

[@JakeSezz]

I’m sold, Tali. If this doesn’t happen, I might be hella disappointed cuz this sounds way more badass, from a story perspective

[@killan351]

If Blizzard would like for us to truly believe all of the old gods are gone and dead now then Murozond should not be able to exist as whispers would no longer be possible, regardless of whenever Nozdormu first started getting whispers. I still believe that we didn't kill N'zoth, but rather were allowed by N'zoth to "enter" Ny'alotha in a dream state and kill what we thought was N'zoth only for him to continue hiding so that he can be even stronger when he does truly return. Yet we also know that there's possibilities (theoretically) for other old gods, minor old gods, such as Xal'atath possibly. There's also the possibility that Xal'atath is the claw of Y'Shaarj, and if a part of an old god could begin having its own life, is there a chance that it can resurrect its true self? I feel like it's more likely that N'zoth is still alive, regardless of whatever Xal'atath has disappeared to in the cosmos do for her own plan.

[@Ugouka12]

I hope we're just underestimating Neltharion and the dracthyr were his backup plan in a moment of lucidity during his downfall and the hidden chamber was just as much to hide them from the Old Gods as it was from Norzy.

[@TheoRae8289]

This is what I'm leaning towards. Danuser isn't aiming for that level of grim dark in these cinematics. Because that would give way too much away and he saw how doing that screwed them last expac.

[@bilbobaggins7095]

I think it is far more likely that he isn't Murozond yet but that he is about to become Murozond and we will see that happen.

[@cynt.6348]

Something I found interesting was that the first two cinematics covered things we, as the players, already knew. Yeah, we got to see Galakrond and that whole thing in more detail, but anyone can read the book. We got to see a little more about the creation of the Dragon/Demon Soul, but again that's established in lore, and I'm sure we've all cleared the raid and killed Deathwing by now. Next week's installment of Legacies will cover something that no one in the playerbase knows about, so we are in the dark as much as Nozdormu at this point! That alone is enough to get me hyped, even if these cinematics are a little more chill than, say, the Jaina Warbringer.

[@mattwo7]

If he's Murozond, why did it seem like he revered the Titans in the last cinematic when the very thing that turned him into Murozond in the first place was learning a secret the Titans didn't want the aspects knowing?

[@amouramarie]

If he is pretending to be Nozdormu, it would be smart to pretend also to revere the Titans as Nozdormu would.

[@leagueclipper6365]

Maybe titans made Deathwing create Dractyr and realizing that makes him go mad

[@mattwo7]

@@leagueclipper6365 That doesn't really make any sense. Also it's implied that he found out about the brainwashing water mentioned in the revamped Uldaman dungeon.

[@mattwo7]

1:13 Meanwhile the first Sonic Frontiers Prologue animation featuring Knuckles dropped and it's hype AF. (The wild NiGHTS and angel Chao still bug me though)

[@GhostRat__]

We have seen Drakthry befor but everyone is forgetting about the infinite dragon flight commander in Wrath.

[@mattwo7]

8:48 Garrosh: "You never had the strength of a true warrior!" Thrall: "Garrosh, I'm a shaman, not a warrior."

[@florianschwalb6875]

I wish we could have Tauren with dragon forms, then I would call mine Moorozond

[@walklikeaghost2064]

Nozdormu's voice actor is like a combo of Josh Brolin and Liam Neeson. So much better than in End Times dungeon IMO.

[@raulaguirre883]

thank you for the upload! Good vibes and positive energy, you guys always do such a great job.

[@jalzahn4404]

I think that crucial moment that Nozdormu is looking for is his turning to Murozond.

[@sam5634]

What is the connection between time magic and earth? Caverns/sands of time, traveling into caves to reveal portals, etc. The deeper down you go is where the most secret of secrets are kept.

[@terribleterrier1685]

I'm getting Dune vibes here. Leto II end goal was to make all humans invisible to precognition. He even became a tyrant to accomplish this.....I think it fits. They've been hinting about mortals having no choice and being tied to the 'true' timeline, one the Hour of Twilight was supposed to break. I expect Murozond's goal is the same Sargeras' and Zovaal, break the cycle of fate because the 'true' timeline is in some way maddeningly horrible. Malygos even for some reason agreed to help Neltharion create the Dracthyr, I think he was trying to create a race not bound by the 'chains of fate'. Others have broke it of their own will. It is interesting it took the combined powers of Order (night elves being Arcane/Order influenced creatures) and Chaos (Fel) for Illidan to break Xera's 'chains of fate'

[@Yamidoragon]

Wow, it is. Also Order/Arcane was way stronger in Illidan than ordinary night elves due to the Well of Eternity shenanigans

[@ArcaneEther]

I forgot to point it out in the last analysis, but that comparison between the Aspects being transformed by the Titans and Azshara's Elves being transformed by the Void has another comparison - Xe'ra tried to transform Illidan into... something. This transformation thing seems to be a trend.

[@williamreely3455]

My theory is that the Titans themselves transformed Nozdormu into Murazond, or put a failsafe trigger within him to do so. We've seen hints in the beta quests that the Titans aren't as benevolent as we thought and that they are not above secrecy and underhanded tactics to ensure their Order is maintained, and arcane dominates. We know the Titans have planted world-ending fail-safes before - the Halls of Origination, Algalon the Observer, the Keepers. Kill switches and asset denial are kind of their signature move at this point. Something in this expansion, or something relatively shortly before it, is going to seriously piss off the Titans and they're going to activate their sleeper agent in Murazond.

[@lochpearled]

Good luck with everything! You guys are amazing

[@Mirimes]

I think the thing about the seed of corruption in drachtyr is a real thing, cause this will explain why black dragon magic is the only type of magic not used by evokers

[@ericv738]

The clock ticking sound heard in the video is now also hearable in the caverns of time in game. Same sound, pretty sure it's new

[@Yamidoragon]

It’s interesting how, according to Chromie, every bronze dragon knows how they are supposed to die, and will not diverge from this to the point of actively attempting to restore their destined deaths if they see it changed. So if Murozond is rebelling against the titans, Order itself, then he’s rebelling against the context of order and time being Fate - or death itself. His dragonflight name ‘infinite’ would fit this scheme well. Also it’s more of a stretch but Murozond’s color scheme resembles that of Argus quite a lot

[@cis22]

I just realized now that all hero classes are created by the characters featured on the box of the first three expansions. Arthas created the death knights. Illidan created the demon hunters. Deathwing created the dracthyr. That's pretty neat. I guess that would mean that the dracthyr will follow a similar arc as the other two. Death knights broke free from from the Lich King's will and demon hunters used demonic powers against demons. If the dracthyr have some Old God influence in them, then they will have to prove their allies that they are more than just vessels of corruption.

[@SpiritofCliffhangers]

maybe nozdormu knows hes going to turn soon, but not exactly when. here he is reinforcing that they didnt know, and didnt see the signs. maybe he wants her to realize whats going on so she can stop him in this time. bringing about his eventual death and keeping him from hurting his family.

[@Lorentari]

Imagine if Torghast was one expansion later and we were wandering these hallways in search of answers for Nozdormy (or Chromie), instead of an infinite, seemingly pointless tower climb for a broker we didn't know existed 2 days ago.

[@wtff]

God I love listening to Tali talk WoW lore. I would be so much less into lore and subsequently a little less into WoW if it wasn't for these kinds of videos.

[@jartar5841]

My 2cents: Nozdormu doesn’t know how he gets to Murozond. But he thinks the Dracthry are the link, and he wants to get to his demise quickly cause his days of doing good are behind him, and only dark times are in front of him. So it’s like his way of doing us a mercy, getting to his end game as quick as possible, because he knows we got this now and dragon age is over when he’s gone.

[@danielcamara8647]

you know? for someone who pays attention to the sligthest details as the color of X's cloak or something like that, the "they are not going back in time" is a major oversight, the sound it makes when they go back is the same sound it makes when we use bronze magic in wow

[@amouramarie]

He is using bronze magic, but it doesn't necessarily mean they are going anywhere, or that Noz is magicking anything but visions similar to how he can magic up a visage form. I don't think the visions HAVE to be accurate if he doesn't choose them to be.

[@Enuzat]

New theory: He has been Murozond all along and has been going forward in time to the End Time to view alternate futures to see all the possible outcomes of the coming conflict. I would guess he has probably seen around 14,000,605 futures, there is probably only 1 where he wins.

[@jamesminto3987]

my guess is Murozond in conduction with the old gods shielded these moments in time from Nozdormu (similar to how Nozdormu locked Deathwing's death as unchangeable) and that Murozond helped Deathwing make the Dracthyr by bringing him the dragonsoul as we know it gets lost after the war of the ancients

[@ericbright1742]

If he never asks Emberthal her name, how would he see the moment Emberthal says her name? Temporal Paradoxes give Bronze Dragons headaches.

[@Levitiy]

That's how cause and effect works. Time travel and viewing the future is something else altogether.

[@ericbright1742]

If he doesn't know her name, he has to ask her. If he asks the question, she gives the answer. If he sees all of Time, he sees himself asking the question, and her giving the answer. Therefore, he knows the answer. Therefore, he doesn't have to ask. If he doesn't ask, she doesn't give the answer. If he sees all of Time, and he doesn't see the answer, he doesn't know her name. If he doesn't know her name, he has to ask her. Therefore, the only way out of this loop, is he has to ask the question, even though he knows the answer.

[@brandonheuberger187]

"A fair trade I would say"..totally reminded me of House of the Dragon

[@NoFutureZine]

2am though: If in ancient times people had filled time glasses with beans, than all of Nozdormu's powers and scene-cuts would be beans flying everywhere.

[@Zhienerich]

Nozdormu is looking for the Hogyoku hidden inside Emberthal, in order to alter his bronze dragons into their Arrancar state of Infinite dragons

[@Lillyluvsanime]

32:02 Also, don't forget what Wrathion warned us. When it comes to the Old Gods, even your own senses cannot be trusted. Especially your sight. This could very well be a ploy to disarm Emberthal against potential Old God hallucinations.

[@gusbarber]

What if... when Nozdormu says "you might become as mighty as we once were" he's setting the stage for the dracthyr to collectively control the power of the black dragon aspect. • This would play into the struggle for power storyline between Wrathion and Sabellion, with the dracthyr being a third option as "the reluctant leaders who are more fit to lead" trope. • If they were created and imprisoned before Neltharion was corrupted they would be a pure version of his will at the time where his primary goal was to protect Azeroth. • Having the power spread among many would also make the black dragon aspect more difficult to corrupt due to a strength in numbers mentality. • This could also be a way to incorporate the only missing magic type for the dracthyr and potentially create a new evoker spec or new class revolving around black dragon magic