Legacy media FUMES over ‘misinformation’, Elon Musk | Free Media

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[@tomfullery9710]

Never in the history of the world have the people calling for censorship ever been the good guys

[@zigzag321go]

Governments censor Mein Kampf. I think this is one example where the good guys are the censurers, though it feels weird to call governments "the good guys." Though in over 99% of cases, what you say is abso-fing-lutely correct.

[@king_vasuki2692]

You are aware that Britain is cracking down on misinformation, seeing that racial riots appeared after misinformation of a stabber, falsely labeled as arab, spread throughout, especially Twitter which did nothing but fuel the racial Riots. They nearly burnt down a mosque.

[@AlecMuller]

@@zigzag321go does censoring it actually make the world a better place, though? I seriously doubt it. When authorities censor ideas that are genuinely bad, they're exercising power that can also censor ideas that threaten their authority. On the multi-decade timescale, I'm far more worried about the administrative state than the small number of people who'll read that book, believe its contents, and act on it.

[@AJadedLizard]

@@zigzag321go No, they're still the bad guys even if they're doing it for what seem like good reason. "When you tear out a man's tongue, you don't tell the world he's wrong, you tell the world you're afraid of what he has to say."

[@zigzag321go]

@@AlecMullerBut it's not as small of a number as you would think. About 20 years ago, Mein Kampf was translated into Arabic, and it became a bestseller in Palestine. Neo-Nazi groups are prominent in many nations. The US, UK, Russia, France, and even a political party in Spain, to name a few. They likely would be in Germany if Nazi ideology wasn't illegal. And that's with heavy government restrictions on the ideas of Nazism (in most of those places).

[@doogyob]

Shoutout to Kim Iverson who, prior to the election, went thru Lichtman's rubric and deduced he was wrong and Trump would win decisively.

[@Vannabee13]

This. The "keys" aren't wrong. it's just completely hindered by bias.

[@NeilSleep]

Lichtman summarized: "My '13 keys' model requires that the American electorate blindly accept everything that MSM throws their way."

[@cunaeus22]

You said it perfectly. It never occurs to these clowns that they are trying to sell the Americans a version of THEMSELVES that we know is bullshit. We are not racists and we are not uneducated and we don't hate our neighbors. Americans are by and large a decent people.

[@Tiasung]

Actually its rather that his model relies on an accurate reflection of those 13 points that matches reality. If you used his model with accurate data it pointed towards a strong Trump victory 🤣🤣He pretty much just lied about the data points, which is not surprising considering everything else he lied about.

[@LaminarSound]

Lol exactly

[@MyNameIsSatoruGojo]

​@@Tiasung I went through his keys and trump had 8 of them.

[@robertsaunders9733]

This guy kept saying his method was perfect, even when he was wrong when Gore lost. He incorrectly said Gore really won until the Supreme Court stopped everything.

[@user-eg6nq7qt8c]

Lichman laments Elon's misinformation machine and then posts on said misinformation machine which then gets a community note. What a clown

[@lraoux]

I don’t think he understands that disinformation, misinformation, and hot bullshit are all one in the same.

[@karthy257]

😂😂😂

[@rexandbo1]

Lichtman Sucks! He's completely biased with his assessment. No self awareness.

[@GarrettFemister]

Typical embedded elitist.

[@larry6112]

Hilarious. He blames the voters.

[@GarrettFemister]

😂

[@johndearborn5360]

Am I the only one that wishes these 2 would drop rising and just do more of these

[@LaminarSound]

100%.

[@LaminarSound]

I would never view the Hill again. This would be in my top 3 sources of viewing daily.

[@mahnamahna3252]

It's very important that we decrease bubbles NOT reenforce them.

[@johndearborn5360]

@@mahnamahna3252 agreed but the way even the read ins at the beginning on rising are being done its like they hired msnbc writers to do them

[@stephenfleming8030]

Nah mate, you need both. In a world where ALL media outlets are subject to market forces, where clickbait is rampant and there is clear financial incentives to take one view or another, you really need to keep your eye on even the outlets you trust. In my experience, from the music industry, group dynamics can and will change dramatically when the $$$ start flowing. And it's the keeping of the $$$ flowing that's the problem, especially in media outlets.

[@erniedesantis597]

Dude was wrong and can't admit it. Screw him.

[@martinjohnston1907]

His insane assigning of the keys based on a raging case of TDS is what made them wrong.

[@kenharrison3409]

Lichtman is easy to dislike. He's an idiot. You can see in the hosts eyes on that clip, she thinks he is an idiot also

[@AJadedLizard]

I saw an interview with him prior to the election; she pointed out he was wrong about the 2000 and he proceeded to cope for like four minutes about how Bush _stole that election._ Dude is a joke.

[@richd9683]

Then how did he become a celebrity election guru?

[@Lopfff]

0:45 This reminds me of when wine tasting experts are only able to tell an expensive wine from a cheap wine 50% of the time, and they always have an excuse; “I had a cold,” etc

[@metatron3942]

Lichtman needs to go away.

[@homewall744]

How dare people think differently than my lame ass model said they should think because I think it.

[@C6BD]

A wise man once said : "Thruth Thrives in freedom; lies require censorship".

[@gbalfour9618]

I think you’d have a better predictor of the election using chicken bones and an ouija board then with Lichtman‘s keys

[@yewo.m]

The problem isn't the keys, but rather Lichtman himself, who used a biased interpretation of the keys

[@dhayes907]

My magic 8 ball said Trump 2024.

[@adamdouce353]

The model was based on having a monopoly on propaganda

[@timmeyer9191]

The economy was good for Harris's big donor class. It sucks for those of us paying rent and buying food.

[@GarrettFemister]

“The big donor class” who were actually getting paid by the harris campaign to indorse her!😂

[@kajagoogoo9613]

They disseminated a BILLIOON dollars, in 100 DAYS! Some people got rich over that BS!

[@sharpangus8538]

Legacy media never lies or omits anything.

[@cuquisarod]

💯% free speech and let people show the Truth

[@lanzer22]

Sorry for spreading wrong information about the polls. Let me provide reason for that mis-information with a mountain full of mis-information.

[@dflo5989]

I guess lichtman doesn't know we changed the locks....😮😊

[@TurntBucket]

Tbf, Robby, the 2020 election was a particularly weird election. First ever universal mail in ballots, the vote flipped in the middle of the night, vote ID laws were being more debated at the time, etc.. If any election deserves skepticism it would be the bizzaro covid election.

[@jonathonmcglew4992]

Elon is the fucking man

[@offrowed]

No such thing as misinformation. There is only free speech. It's up to the listener to decide for themselves.

[@thombales1299]

Is that his real hair?

[@toter-drache]

Recycled into a Hat of sorts,😉

[@hannahkroon5233]

And he is biased in how he defines rational!

[@pensive8552]

- mail-in ballots should be mostly banned. - the 2020 election should be authentically investigated to remove all reasonable doubt (so cases were dismissed on "standing" when the nominee in an election should have default standing imo) - we need unique paper ballots with verified ID and citizenship - I disagree with single day voting, that's a nightmare imo

[@longiusaescius2537]

So true bro

[@timwhite5562]

What an absurd argument.

[@offrowed]

This is hilarious we now have polsters telling us what misinformation is.

[@paulsnow]

Maybe both are libertarians so it's not balanced yet the conversation is so rational and easy to listen to.

[@yewo.m]

Amber is more conservative-leaning. But yes, I think it would be cool to have a broader panel, and wider range of views

[@paulsnow]

@yewo.m It is just sad that over at Rising, they can't find more thoughtful leftists...

[@yewo.m]

@@paulsnow That's very true

[@richd9683]

Libertarians are higher IQ, so no surprise.

[@richardlindquist5936]

@paulsnow Thoughtful leftists are in short supply just now.

[@rileystewart9165]

I'm imagining a Groundhog day analogy here with Allan Lichtman. CNN: "Hey Folks, we are 5 weeks out from Election Tuesday wondering if Allan Lichtman found his keys."

[@cgo7395]

I don't trust a guy that's nearly 80 and still dying his hair.

[@goosey235]

Re: "voter fraud" - it all depends what definition you are using - the "51 intelligence experts"/laptop fiasco, Newsome banning voter ID in CA, etc., all count as far as I'm concerned, but the nitwit from the video I'm sure would disagree.

[@saneepeopleonly]

It’s a long-winded way of saying his model failed

[@edwardarruda7215]

Excuses

[@richd9683]

"I was right, but they voted wrong!"

[@ernieblue5307]

Give it up Lichtman, admit it, your keys didn’t work. It’s time for you to call the locksmith.

[@jacoboblanco3696]

"My model requires a large mass of people to act completely rationally" This guy has never left his office.

[@wawywawo]

What a refreshing way to consume media Ty

[@ReasonTV]

Glad you enjoyed!

[@DonaldJoeKennedy]

I'm with everyone: Lichtman blows.

[@CK-jd7wo-test]

Elon is the ultimate sihtstirrer. He revels in it.

[@runits]

The shit is often plastic and made by child in China.

[@juliechurley2716]

Love that about him! He calls shit out 😂

[@runits]

@juliechurley2716 he's a fool with money. Give me inf money like he had handed to him. Now we get this man child in charge of our gov. In a special government not connected to the real one. Want that shit kicker in charge of your personal money? Well soon you will.

[@cramos5159]

To the Professor, you definitely need to add a new key to your system and that would be the disinformation key

[@karthy257]

It will always be a yes as long as fake news media exists

[@tc197]

So legacy Media is accusing Elon musk of misinformation?😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@karthy257]

😂😂😂

[@PandarenCH]

How can normal people still believe legacy media? How can anyone be this dumb?

[@ryanmcguire9951]

Wouldnt it be in our interest to also vet the FCC?

[@bassandtrebleclef]

This Allan fool and Nate Silver need to find new careers.

[@magnusbrzenk447]

Why the Nate hate?

[@vel230]

As long as Trump's supreme court holds, censorship is not coming.

[@craigcavaliere6744]

He argued with Smerconish that Trump isn't charismatic so he couldn't give him the key.

[@Kenyanon]

We all love Lichtman. He's so funny

[@ajc4477]

Never trust an old guy with hair like that.

[@stephenfleming8030]

Here's a question to ask of those who say 'I read it on Snopes, the factcheckers said that...' And I've been on the receiving end of that: What is the substantive difference, quantitively and qualitatively, between ANY media outlet and a ...'factchecker'?? Because from where I'm standing, and I argue this in good faith, ANY purveyor of information can get stuff wrong, either maliciously or through sheer carelessness. This isn't my opinion, it's an inevitable logical conclusion for which there simply is no rebuttal to be taken seriously. The Appeal to Authority, which 'factcheckers' are de facto deploying in their own defence, is perhaps the most well understood logical fallacy. What the public is being asked to believe by these clowns is simply absurdity heaped on absurdity. If you're concerned about misinformation, the answer isn't censorship...it's more information. And for our American friends, setting a legal precedent by handing the federal government the power to censor the press is the motherlode of bad ideas, and a clear violation of your 1st Amendment rights, rights that many in the western world simply do not have enshrined in constitutional law.

[@lorilienemann3879]

FCC needs overhaul

[@shockcat5988]

It’s very fascinating that utilize these words to circumvent defamation of character laws

[@glenf6639]

His keys are good. His bias blinded him on how to allot them.

[@canadianlumberjack7642]

Happening in Canada too. WEF directive.

[@lgflanang]

First salvo against Elon Musk. Right on the money.

[@markkennedy5479]

People with moral integrity interrogate experience in quest of evidence as a guide to truth. Ideologues interrogate experience to cherry-pick evidence to immunize narratives against revision. These are different projects.

[@TedBerwick]

300,000+ votes showed up PA at 3am 2020!

[@rje4242]

in the movie "the big short", Michael Burry and Mark Baum short securities based on their readings of market indicators, yet CDO prices somehow rise and ratings agencies refuse to downgrade the bond ratings, due to conflicts of interest and dishonesty amongst the credit rating agencies. Allen Lichtman is exactly like those credit rating agencies. The keys are worthless unless the person evaluating them is honest.

[@usnbostx2]

Or “the keys have only worked since we’ve controlled all the information”

[@Lopfff]

Best intro music of all time

[@jamesbizs]

Ok. Fine. Now 20 million votes. But Biden still got the most votes ever. And it’s almost 8 million off. Is that not enough???

[@JaxesGame]

😂 I saw one person testify they received 12 mail-in ballots

[@st0rm8ring3r]

Could you publish this as a Podcast? Trying to listen to this on my phone using Podcast Addict app

[@trevordaniels5868]

Here's a note to the legacy media: blah blah blah!

[@lewiscarey1593]

That's why Joe Rogan is SUPER POPULAR!! He is down to earth!😂

[@AgainsttheGrane]

That is RICH!

[@anniesue4456]

WTP are tired of manufactured "news" ... we also want actual world news!!!

[@TexasIsACountry]

The reason the RGV flipped for Trump is because we don’t f with lames.

[@JWForce1059]

If he were even remotely honest in his assessments, he would have seen Trump's victory from a mile away, using his own keys.

[@doctortraumacock]

Not seeing a ring on amber's finger makes me want to become a polisci major immediately! 🥰

[@lancesmith2775]

So the folks in Bucks County don't matter, Robby. Got it. Bad take my friend. I'm all for calling out right-wing cope HOWEVER, she's right: we can't pull the legacy-media knee jerk reaction each time someone on the right calls out a problem in the voting systems. Do better.

[@ruthnovena40]

THIS should have been the opening of SNL They lost to their own model you just make up Good comedy like this

[@toter-drache]

So he comes out of the gate insinuating that the voter base is irrational, just keep on bashing the intelligence of the American Citizens that voted for Trump, 🙄

[@TC-zf1ji]

What does Namoki blame her prediction on?

[@MrRourk]

DOGE Agents Styx & Asmond will get right to work.

[@Steve-IN-Austin-Houston]

LMAO 😜

[@richhenry7540]

Lol. I always wonder whether to believe someone or not. But this short clip tells me everything i need to know about this Lichtman guy.

[@PerryWidhalm]

Lichtman is a moroon ....

[@DangRenBo]

Analysts who I follow on KZbin went through lichtman's keys and determined that they could have predicted Trump's wins had he not what is bias come through when choosing which keys were Trump's in which keys were Harris's

[@MatthewTPrice]

Robby Soave looks like a less gay (but still gay) Milo.

[@Scoots1994]

Didn't Twitter/X get judged as more balanced than it's competitors?

[@runits]

By whom? It's an open platform with definitely republican owners with political censorship leaning right and metrics unbalanced right. Other than. That ya it's right down the middle >.>

[@toter-drache]

Depends who you ask, according to the msm nothing is truthful there, I'd say a platform allowing people to speak freely to one another is far more balanced than what i've been seeing coming out of any "legacy" news outlets, but that's just me.

[@zigzag321go]

Doubt it. Most/lots of liberals have quit using X, and the owner was literally Trump's biggest donor. There's no way X didn't at least lean right.

[@kylehunt26]

THE KEEEYS ALAN! WHAT ABOUT THE KEEEYS?!

[@pitasshahid6677]

Lichmtman think his predictions are spot on. He's a joke.

[@jamespier7801]

lazy lazy analysis by Robby about 2020 vote fraud.

[@AGCTHEINFAMOUS]

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