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[@Fandwicksvhs]

I believe that blue white control, black green midrange and mono red aggro should be the base pillars of every format. They form such a beautiful triangle of balance, and can easily add additional colors or decks in a comfortable way.

[@coomlaoaskeen2397]

For real, this was the triangle I was going to use for Premodern because it's perfect. Combo is fun, but it's not what makes the game feel like a game in the same way these three do

[@DarkestFiction]

G1M1 I feel like it was a HUGE punt to not fire off EVERYTHING you had, since that shut off Brainstorm, Fetches, Ponder, Prismatic Ending, and made it so they had to find a way to make a big game because they couldn't attack at that point anymore either. You'd be at 6, but they would have been forced to block. You need to not focus on being one damage short, you have damage on board with Eidolon, Burn is about leveraging their life total, and G1M1 was a really good example of you definitely not being a Burn player, meant in the best way. Putting them at 1 means that ANY action is Lethal, outside of being able to play Sagas.

[@Sneekskier]

Absolutely agree, its easy to say now, but then a lavaspike in your hand meant it was an early win.

[@Bloodywolf11]

Should be required to yell "You're Fired!" Whenever you win with this deck

[@PurpleDragonSpike]

That is terrible. I love it.

[@mikeyj10]

I prefer asking, “Is it hot in here, or is it just me?” After winning with this deck

[@BoshNRoll]

To be fair... I usually do haha

[@AncientTyrant]

IME, keeping 1 land hands is almost always incorrect as Burn, even if the other 6 cards are castable off of 1 land. Especially since this build plays 19 lands instead of 20. There is ~41.49% chance there is no 2nd land in the top 3 cards if you keep a 1 land hand. And these games are near 100% lost. Defensible exception: 1-2 hate pieces in a hand with 1 land, vs decks with terrible matchups like graveyard-based combo.

[@gryphon669]

Way back when I was playing PTQs, Burn was the best deck because win or lose, I had time to get a snack while the rest of my team was still sitting across from the JTMS mirror.

[@albaniaalban]

Ah, the good old senseis divining top miracle mirrors

[@BoshNRoll]

That's been extremely tempting these last few months I've been on Bant.

[@TheEthanAndKyleShow]

My LGS had a tried and true saying: "Play red, go to Tim's." Win or lose, you'd be done with half an hour left to spare, and so could afford to walk to Tim Horton's and get a coffee before the next one

[@babassoonist557]

There’s a classic anecdote of two friends one who brought the perfectly tuned meta countering control deck and the other who brought RDW, and by the third match the control player was exhausted and hungry because it had been nearly three hours straight of decision making, while his friend was having a great time because he had time for breaks between matches.

[@samgoldman100]

@@babassoonist557 i took a usa mentor to a gp and made sure i had snacks because i know i wouldn't have time to get any

[@ccaaarrlll2609]

I miss the days when legacy burn was a check for decks

[@God-ch8lq]

Uro killed burn

[@sobman]

@@God-ch8lq oko would like a word

[@God-ch8lq]

@@sobman nah, he didnt harm burn that much imo

[@ConSocial94]

G5M1 was so amazing. Being able to fire blast in response to plow on the dreadnought was so beautiful after getting your swiftspear removed and the other dazed!

[@tripxnip]

I think roiling vortex is very underrated for burn

[@CoilingSliver]

Yeah, I am pretty surprised that its not in the 75.

[@HeadLichInCharge]

The friend I play with most of the time absolutely plays with Roiling, and it is always nerve wracking when it comes down.

[@tkun3502]

Vortex in legacy is a requirement at this point, I'd run 4 in the 75 no matter what. Way too many spells that get cast for free.

[@CoilingSliver]

@@tkun3502 I recently build Burn in Paper (although I haven't had a chance to play) and I went for a 2/2 split in it.

[@tkun3502]

@@CoilingSliver I'm gonna rephrase and say you probably want at least 3 of some kind of vortex card, a 2/2 split works great.

[@remikaly]

IDK why but I love that you brought back your alternate pronunciation of Ragavan.

[@julianlastname5730]

I feel like one landers are a trap with this deck. One spell a turn just can’t keep up with most decks in the format. You need two lands to fire off multiple bolts, or for a lot of your spells to even be castable

[@BoshNRoll]

Yeah they just didn't get there at all.

[@julianlastname5730]

@@BoshNRoll island ponder keep, mountain bolt maybe not the best idea lol

[@firedrake110]

If I had to chose between eidolons/pillars or having 15 fetchlands and 5 mountains, I always take the fetches. They allow for 3 lands more consistently, but prevent most games from going to 4+ mountains, and getting there on mana while not flooding is a big deal for burn

[@mike-fb4fw]

just bought the rest i need to convert my boros modern deck into legacy burn im pretty excited to give the format a try & its awesome to see you pilot the deck before i play it!

[@BoshNRoll]

I have a few burn videos posted. Enjoy, welcome to legacy!

[@theyux1]

In burn vs delver matchup you need to kill delvers cheap threats. Your threat density is much higher. While true murktide can turn the corner. Its less of a problem if you are at high life total.

[@stithler9757]

At 10:06 you said Swiftspear and Bolt are equal. (I paused here so not sure how blocks turn out or the game) but actually swiftspear is equal to 4 damage. Here we should bolt their creature, Prowess trigger, Swiftspear is 3/4 now before damage cast Fireblast, They go to 7 Swiftspear is now 4/5. Damage happens, they are left at 1. The line leaves them at 1 with 2 creatures in play. and an active Eidolon assuming no force of will.

[@AncientTyrant]

Legit line - give self 1 turn to topdeck a burn spell while the opponent can't take any meaningful actions.

[@ryanwonderschool]

last match : First time in my life that I witnessed a phyrexian + swords on it, great play from villain. Glad to see that you had a way around though! I enjoyed your overall thinking process as well as the entire video. Thank you very much

[@slowaltima]

I so want that Jeskai Dreadstill list! It looks so fun. Excellent content, thank you

[@gmsnowy7344]

34:24 I think in this metaphor, you're a contracted civil engineer for Cheesetown. Your patrons are the tax base. Kris is the zoning commission chairman appointed by the mayor. And finally your opponent is a motorist attempting to get through Cheesetown so they can go to Trophyburg, but they're unfortunately caught in traffic as a result of your construction of additional thoroughfair lanes. They've been staring at the sign saying "Welcome to Cheesetown" for the past 3 hours in deadlock traffic.

[@brad_soup]

People have said a lot of similar stuff already but yeah, low life totals are very relevant with Eidolon in play even if you can't count all the way to twenty. 5 puts them dead or locked out to any topdecked burn spell. 4 effectively shuts off cantrips (at least into spells, haven't played much since Saga got printed admittedly) and 3 does the same to Force and fetches, and then 2 and 1 obviously lock them. Don't have to worry too much about getting All The Way There.

[@Totescolin]

I feel like light up the stage should get played on legacy burn but this build looks fantastic in a UR delver heavy meta.

[@tkun3502]

As a burn player across formats, you gotta have Roiling Vortex in the 75 somewhere, probably split with sulfuric

[@BoshNRoll]

Yup. I mentioned that in the deck tech and confirmed it in the wrap up. Agreed.

[@grantwilliams1597]

Nobody rips the right card off the top when called quite like you! Lol love it

[@Fandwicksvhs]

57:22 - We will miss your amazing content! Do you now support the banning of daze?

[@ambershangout7226]

I think magus of the moon is better for burn, same job and it can hit at the cost of being more fragile

[@whoareyou221]

Great deck, I just think the Pyrostatic Pillar should have been in the side rather than the main deck.

[@drbeetheemighty]

I cannot believe the result of the first game. That was insane.

[@callumvlex7059]

Do you think you'd have been more likely to bring in Alpine Moon over Blood Moon? As a silver bullet for Urza's Saga and Dark Depths combo?

[@mutant9137]

First game going for it to put them to one could be good with eidlon in play, they can't play spells

[@DankAudioStash24]

Since you did mention Fetch lands in the beginning, how to we feel about Fetches in Legacy burn?

[@ryanwonderschool]

I didn't rewind the video but as you said vs the Liliana matchup if he started playing his lands he wouldn't leave you at 1 and win the game. Then gg to you! :)

[@tennesseetide3833]

Blood moon is terrible in burn; drop those for sure. I would add at least 1 more smash to have more outs to chalice. Also could use another firecraft given how blue-centric the format is. Something like -2 moon, -1 pillar, +2 smash, +1 firecraft I think would be more useful.

[@zachjones1716]

Burn gets more advantage from redundancy, so I think there's an argument for skewer the critics. I also like 4 pop. Honestly, pop is better for you than blood moon 9 times out of 10 imo just because it gets you faster and still punishes the same thing. While I'm not in the camp that all burn sb cards have to have damage on them, as pyroblast and bridge seem great in this meta, there are cases where you prefer it (smash to smithereens> shatteringspree blowout potential typically, etc). Bridge is probably a better first big investment than fetches for a fueled grim lavamancer rn, for anyone interested in this deck. Fetch thinning is good in this deck obviously too, but bridge hits elves and a lot of aggro as hard as lavamancer. Speaking of elves, cage seems like the best gy hate card for this deck imo, that might have changed since I played it last though

[@effiefoemperor]

I'm sure the answer is no but any thought to Ragavan in the board? Getting free cantrips to reload or potentially hitting removal to clear the way seems cool. Probably too cute though

[@BoshNRoll]

Ragavan just doesn't inflict damage at a rate a burn deck is interested in.

[@dm9910]

Really should've cast your bolts in the first game. By putting them to 6 (effectively 2 with Fireblast in hand) they're dead to a single Eidolon trigger making 90% of their deck dead draws. By my count over a quarter of your deck is instantly lethal, and almost every combination of cards you could draw over the next few turns wins. Only way I can see you losing is to draw multiple mountains in a row while your opponent draws Force plus Regent/Saga. You're definitely a massive favourite in this situation. Putting them to 1 is also reasonable as it turns off FoW, at the cost of a few draws like Firecraft and Price not being live. Your patient play of letting your opponent just activate Saga twice and have an impenetrable wall of blockers with 14 life to play with... that's just not how Burn is meant to be played. It's not card disadvantage if they're dead.

[@foodforfaeries]

I never realised pyroblast has cookie monsters relative in the background

[@ryanwonderschool]

comment while watching --> 20:10 how dare we not care about ragavan? half of the time he will find a burn spell to play on your creature + the treasure that can lead to an explosive start. It's much more than a casual 2/1 threat. What do you think?

[@orsettomorbido]

I don't understand why in the first game you didn't put them at 1 life. They would have been essentially silenced and you would have had time to draw a lethal spell. Also, never punished, lmao.

[@HeadLichInCharge]

It's almost like I put Syphon Life in my pox deck for just such matchups. Shame that probably got taken out for that opponent haha.

[@BoshNRoll]

I was genuinely concerned it might come up haha.

[@politegirl3657]

feeling the heat!

[@sylvain1s]

Just wondering - what was your reasoning behind not boarding in blood moon against the loam deck? seems like it shuts down a lot of their pressure. I would have considered cutting more eidolons or a firecraft, but you've played the loam deck so would love to hear your thought process

[@BoshNRoll]

Spending 3 mana to not deal any damage is just bad rate. Not boarding in moon vs Loam means it doesn’t belong in the deck.

[@samgoldman100]

1st in round 1 i think you bring in some # of pyroblast because this is not a fast game you're going to be slowly you're trying to grind advantage and 2 @24:18 i think it sounds counterintuitive but i think you let them gain the 8 life there because if you fireblast you will lose to a force and if they're going for this line they have the fow i think you wait to use fireblast use riftbolt to go after ragavan and hope you can top deck better

[@bryantan4228]

Thoughts of Wayward Guide-Beast over Guide?

[@DarkestFiction]

That's a worse drawback than giving the opponent a land. Burn needs a minimum of 2 lands to operate at full steam, and you're essentially making it so you're playing on one land the whole game, or behind on lands.

[@nthnthms1212]

12:45 BANG

[@karenwest6350]

I remember at some point people were playing half and half snow and nonsnow basics vs predict, is that card not a thing anymore?

[@scottcampbell9515]

Do you prefer the fetchland + Searing Blaze + Grim Lavamancer version?

[@BoshNRoll]

Probably. They do slightly different things, but I think Blaze is strong. It certainly removes the "budget" angle of the deck though if that matters to anyone.

[@scottcampbell9515]

@@BoshNRoll That’s so true. It definitely won’t be a budget build going that way. Why has Searing Blaze spiked in price anyway? /s

[@jordanrutledge7943]

@8:40 why not put them to 1? You said yourself that you won’t likely be connecting with a creature again. Putting them to 1 there by using your mana gives you outs to win by drawing something like lava spike. Maybe that’s results oriented because yo did draw lava spike, but it makes sense to me, idk

[@DarkestFiction]

Its not results-oriented thinking, I play Burn in most formats it's good (meaning Modern and Legacy lol) and him not putting them to 1 not once but TWICE was a huge mistake. The only thing the opponent has going for them at that point is Saga, and with blockers, that's not gonna matter because he can hit a spell and Bolt.

[@ambershangout7226]

Potter using your own spells against you

[@samgoldman100]

I think where legacy is i think you want some number of fetches for blaze i think the firecraft and piller are better as sb card and keeping 1 lander in burn i ask mysy what payoff i have for this match up and how long can i survive with one land

[@gregorypetter]

What is lander?

[@ryanwonderschool]

first match (sideboard) --> blood moon kills urza's

[@RomanKlein414]

Lava Speck cant un-hear that now

[@jbf81tb]

I feel like this deck should cut some cards for more lands and fit in at least 4 horizon lands.

[@GRat9717]

"...you're fired."

[@speaksincircles]

I can tell you don’t play burn cuz you keep 1 landers

[@juhaleskinen6467]

You're fired😂

[@ScoutingTacos]

OK, but when do we find out who the real mayor of Cheesetown is??

[@guybrushthreepwood8174]

The round five opponent has the ugliest basic lands I've ever seen printed and I've been looking at magic cards since revised.