Legacy of the First Blade Spits in the Face of Assassin's Creed Lore... Once Again

[@HRush-lu6fj]

How funny. An assassin in all but name in an Assassin's Creed game only by name.

[@conor1940]

I had to read this twice ngl

[@ahmadkobrosli2471]

@@conor1940I've read it 5 times and still don't get it

[@zombielepra1726]

A K Darius is what an Assassin like Ezio and Bayek were actually like and they are actual Assassins but Darius isn’t an Assassin, he’s an assassin but not an Assassin, also Odyssey isn’t really an Assassin Creed game, there are no Assassins and no Templars but it is still labeled an Assassin Creed game. Is it less confusing now?

[@Trathien-]

@@zombielepra1726 yes thank you

[@zombielepra1726]

Trathien Your welcome 🙂 Just glad I was able to make it easier to understand

[@atharvavadeyar5157]

Seriously If these guys wanted Assassin's in their game Pro tip: Maybe set the game in a time period where they fkin exist

[@1simp695]

Or maybe just make Darius the main character of the entire game?

[@steeltrap6023]

Except the story isnt about you as an assassin -__-

[@atharvavadeyar5157]

@@steeltrap6023 then don't have assassin's in it! Or Make the story about you as an Assassin seeing as it's...well...an ASSASSIN'S CREED game 🤷

[@steeltrap6023]

@@atharvavadeyar5157 so if thats the case then you delete most of the series, lol seriously. We've played these games. Most of these characters theyve come up with are definitely no darius, altair or ezio....this stopped being a assassin series a long time ago.

[@titanicww2345]

The problem is that Assassins Creed is a brand, a property a franchise like Mario. So they will do whatever they can to make a profit of brand recognition. It has grown to that level, the old guard might have make this franchise popular but they are not needed anymore with new fans incoming. The salty fans are not going to get what they want. Which is I believe consistency, which was already lost by the 3rd installment.

[@arthurac8494]

James talking passionately about AC lore makes me smile 😄👊🏻.

[@ulfberht4431]

Passionately? There’s nothing passionate about being vehemently negative and opinionated!

[@lukesavage1019]

@@ulfberht4431 don’t cry

[@kayragaming9751]

@@ulfberht4431 stop crying so loud

[@rapidace7072]

@@ulfberht4431 go cry

[@irishbob26]

@@ulfberht4431 doesn't mean he's wrong.

[@rylancaldecott784]

I just finished Revelations for the first time and it is such an amazing end for Ezio. So emotional

[@melancholiclonging8641]

I loved revelations so much. I loved the way Altair was connected to Ezio. Makes me wonder why they decided to go all the way out to America for 3

[@Miguelnumbers]

@@melancholiclonging8641 I suposse because they ran out of things to tell about both Ezio and Altair.

[@moneybabeh8982]

this kinda reminds me of another lore mistake ubisoft made is when in assassin's creed brotherhood they have the dagger of brutus, the description for it says that it was the dagger that killed julius caesar but when you look closely in assassin's creed origins, in the ending, you see brutus stab caesar with a skinnier, smaller dagger (i forgot what it is called) instead of the one that ezio can have in ac brotherhood. this has always pissed me off because i was looking forward to seeing this dagger in ac origins before i even played it, kind of disappointing to see they didn't even show it in the game lawl even though in the ac origins comic amunet gives the dagger to brutus AFTER the assassination of caesar. still sucks though we couldnt see it :/

[@benfreedman6411]

Wow that’s a good catch. I wonder if they changed that when they included AC:B in the Ezio Collection...unless that’s the one you played. I’m actually surprised the Dev team for Origins (Quebec or Montreal?) made that mistake...they’ve been on point for most their games. Whereas the team for Odyssey has IMO made the worst. Syndicate and Odyssey both being perfect examples of pointless games with large maps & terrible DLCs, having 2 reasonably unrelatable protagonists with no clear purpose, no clear enemy, disappointing endings, and wonky fight mechanics that feel like uncontrollable cutscenes. Origins shoulda known better

[@thisisafalseaccount105]

A very small detail that doesn’t really effect the lore.

[@dr.yonkers5181]

@@thisisafalseaccount105 It's still cool to see small details like that

[@thisisafalseaccount105]

Monsieur Gage yes, it is cool to see small details like that.

[@byrdland5790]

That could just be a texture mishap due to the different ways the games are built

[@UbiCentral]

How dare you critize Odyssey, it's up for GOTY and has a lot of content. Kassandra has bigger muscles than Kratos too. 😤

[@ahmedsoori3611]

UbiCentral u kidding me right? Compare it to black flag and rdr2 bigger aint always better

[@jonathanhaskett7614]

Assassins creed Odyssey is hot garbage

[@gav2262]

These people don’t get sarcasm😂

[@keeganburgess4710]

He's being sarcastic

[@aspe_S]

Sarcasm!

[@GKCat]

"You disrupt the natural order and thus you are ......... unnatural ". 😱 Amazing writing. The best parts of the DLC were the cutscenes. The rest was Mercenaries Creed all over again.

[@haisu109]

Not even that because the voice acting is cancer in almost every scene...

[@slimretro2659]

@III-GabeN-III im persian and darius's persian accent is on point, but everybody else, they're just greeks. Guess they didn't have enough persian voice actors.

[@samharding9767]

At least he doesn’t walk out in a suit

[@DarshanBhambhani]

Or with a wolf Tshirt and a man bun

[@Culturedtuna1]

@@DarshanBhambhani haha that's funny. I gotta say I liked those walk outs. I thought they were cool. That was probably the only thing I liked about Odyssey tbh.

[@bikkyychaudhry4510]

It's not just the DLC , Ubisoft as a whole are spiting in the face of Assassin's Creed lore. I'm losing all hope now.

[@augustca1984]

How? Legit you probanly didnt even play through it. They all tie together. Stupid comment. Play the game.

[@augustca1984]

That doesn't make any sense though. It's not real so whats your problem?

[@mattiuch7835]

@Yo Momma Did you played it?

[@karatemaster87]

August Carlson I was just thinking that

[@Insomnia4321]

@Yo Momma what year exactly do you think origins takes place? NIGGA its fucking ancient egypt it takes place loooong before even the first ac

[@Goldlion5212]

I thought that "The Assassin's" and "The Templars" have always existed through time in one shape or another. I think a character said that but I am not sure to be honest

[@dragondust5219]

Thats true, but the problem is that those assassins shouldnt do the leap of faith or wear hoods and the templars shouldn't well, br templars at all, which is why its kinda shitty Atleast thats what i understand

[@benfreedman6411]

Well that’s what Origins did so well. The order of ancients and the Medjay/Hidden Ones we’re perfect proto-Templar and assassin groups. And origins was set in SUCH a beautiful environment and time in history. Sadly...Odyssey is just a mess. The game mechanics are nearly identical except we’re suddenly a Demi-god with anti-gravity strength? The fighting is wayyy too unrealistic and brutal and comically animated. I get that the Isu influence affects that...but it’s an uncomfortable departure from earlier AC games. It also just lacked anything special. Historically, it’s a rich setting...but Ubisoft Quebec missed every opportunity to really appreciate the immersion. They traded a huge map (honestly, way too big) for a short & meaningless narrative with mostly grinding quests. I think this guy nails the difference between Quebec and Montreal’s dev teams. Side by side, Origins destroys Odyssey. And the DLC for odyssey was SO disappointing. I couldn’t wait to see the Leonidas spear adapted into the hidden blade...BUT...we never even got to use it!! Darius did, but the game did absolutely nothing to bridge the storylines between Origins and Odyssey nor did it visually bridge the assassin-Templar lore or central assassin capabilities. The end of the game and DLCs didn’t even reshape the fundamental ethics of Alexios/Kassandra from an indiscriminately murderous mercenary to something remotely resembling a protector. Odyssey has NO creed or belief system that would make it a proper AC installation. And without the hidden blade, there’s no shadow assassin feeling. And historically...Odyssey did nothing. It didn’t even suggest that the order of ancients was originally the cult of kosmos. So we spend the whole game fighting this evil Greek order thinking maybe they become the order of ancients that we see in origins. Instead, after we kill the cult, the DLC (that not everyone buys, btw) cc suddenly introduces the order of ancients!! Like...they’ve been lurking in Persian Macedonia the whole time and ONLY exist because of our relationship with Darius. It was terrible and cheap and essentially made the entire Odyssey game 100% unnecessary. The only way Odyssey could gently integrate into AC lore and the 400yr gap between it and Origins...is if a sequel game focuses entirely on us playing as a younger Darius (another prequel) OR a game that is set at the end of Alexander the Great’s reign and subsequent dissolution of his Empire into daughter kingdoms like Ptolemaic Egypt, Ancient Greco-Latin Rome, the warring Semitic kingdoms of Assyria/Judaea/Israel/Sumeria/Hittites/Canaanites, etc., and Byzantine Anatolia? Turkey (Galatia), Rhodes, & Cypress could be great to play because they’re home to so many cultures and historically rich cities that use good narratives & historical references to seamlessly & geographically connect the AC lores developed in Greece-> Constantinople -> (Ancient Persian Turkey/Anatolia)-> Masyaf/Israel-> ‘Ancient’ Egypt -> Rome & Florence. I think doing something like that would be the only way to retroactively make Odyssey worth any AC fans’ time. Either a total prequel in Persian Turkey & territories...or a a sequel to Odyssey that predates Origins to account for the way Darius’ personal creed influenced Kassandra’s descendants (Aya’s ancestors). Doing that could potentially tie-off a really brilliant historical saga that begins as a rebuke against the order of ancients in Persian Anatolia & Ancient Greece...then evolves under Alexander’s conquests & collapse...until the creed’s fundamental tenants take early distinct organized forms-simultaneously-in Egypt, the Sinai, & in Rome. The Mediterranean could then be true to its ancient name as the ‘Great Sea’ in the middle of the Roman world where the battle between free will & tyranny raged for another 2000yrs-during which time we see Religion weaponized, fortified & embodied by the Assassin Brotherhood in Masyaf and the obsessive Knights Templar of the Crusades. The Middle Ages are crucial to the rise, fall, & reformation of both fraternities’ public bureaucracies. The Renaissance reintroduces these organizations’ secret charters in the same ancient capital of Roman tyranny where the assassins were founded-Rome (and in Rome’s former Eastern counterpart, Constantinople-Instanbul, after finally falling to the ever-present Persian/Ottoman Order of the Ancients). The Age of Enlightenment and Industrial revolution cast glances towards Paris & London (both former Roman conquests and Imperial antecedents to the struggles seen in the American Colonies and Revolution). Hopefully the upcoming Viking chapter will do a good job of sewing a rich historical tapestry that bridges the chronological gap between the Italian Renaissance, the first Viking settlements of Newfoundland & Nova Scotia, and the impact of Norse imposition throughout the Celtic/Gaelic realms of England, Scotland, & France insofar as the events of Unity and Syndicate have a more central meaning to the ultimate struggle first acknowledged by Darius’ assassination of Xerxes.

[@YungFozz]

That statement is just a stupid "catch-all" so the devs and retard fans can defend odyssey bc "different form of assassin" even though obviously they arent

[@JLucas_RS]

Their ideology goes back to Adam and Eve. The iconography is what he is complaining about.

[@SSpider41]

@@dragondust5219 Bruh that makes no sense. It's literal human nature. Its no different than one ancient nation in Egypt created bowls but 200 years later another civilization creates bowls but know nothing of the Egyptian civilization or their bowls. So how can they have bowls? Many people can have the same idea while being from different parts of the world and never knowing of each others existence. If I'm going to be killing high profile targets while being stealthy a hood is a damn useful tool. But only baeyek is capable of thinking that? That's just stupid to think that way.

[@jasim9khan]

Every new Assassin's creed game stabs legacy of previous games

[@berkian]

(Just) 3, Unity. Syndicate, Odyssey

[@steeltrap6023]

Its not really a legacy when the lore actually truly ended with ezio. So not much of a legacy.

[@kamioen8735]

@@steeltrap6023 it did not end with ezio man

[@memecliparchives2254]

@@steeltrap6023 Yet it starts with Bayek. There would be no Ezio without Bayek.

[@Aurrimazz]

Kids, kids, kids, AC lore ended with Desmon'ds death. Everything else are just fillers that do not contribute anything to the general story

[@FireWolfDragon]

Darius is Gavin confirmed

[@Bori.1776]

Gavin? GAVIN? Oh Gavin where ARE YOU?!

[@benjin3993]

The dlc of Origins atleast took you to new map locations, all the hidden blade dlc did was make me clear out that top right of the existing map

[@eftihiosmitsialis449]

are you satisfied now with Atlantis?

[@benjin3993]

@@eftihiosmitsialis449 I downloaded it, but never found it interesting enough to play

[@matt1271]

i thought it was ok enough bc the 3 parts that got explored were never part of the main story and beat the game without really doing anything in those areas so the dlc gave me a reason to go to those places and explore

[@gav2262]

I think iconography is too big of a word for these ac fans

[@steeltrap6023]

I think iconography is the wrong word as a whole considering the lack of info lazer has, and what ubisoft decides to use as a cash machine.

[@hcnry]

Steel Trap stfu

[@pranavkalyan.s4659]

Bruh I'm 14 years old

[@itzcolm8737]

"Am I too critical" no because Ubisoft never go the extra mile

[@Amadeus-ni3et]

He is too critical.

[@billysavastano119]

@@Amadeus-ni3et nah he aint

[@user-ii4vj9vf2v]

@@billysavastano119 nah he is, he just nitpicks and whines about everything.

[@billysavastano119]

@@user-ii4vj9vf2v litterally he's right about everything... odyssey sucked hard

[@TheGamingSpartanA113]

Ubisoft does go the extra mile, depending on which team is working on it.

[@HovektheArtist]

Its mentioned in ac4 that when the assassins headed to new regions they were surprised to find that no matter what region they went to there was always a small group that followed the same kind of creed and style as they did, in a note or datafile the connection is made that there have always been small groups around the world that wore hoods and used shadows and followed some form of creed, in rogue the cave paintings convey it as the "good spirits and chaotic spirits" of native american folklore, so is it really surprising that darius was so identicle when around the same time there were native americans and hints that even japanese "brotherhoods" it wasnt until bayek that everything got put together and the brotherhood officially was created and tied the disparate "spirits of freedom" together into the worldwide brotherhood we know now, as darius was also in the time of hashashins, where we get the name assassin, who were disparate groups that flared up then quickly died out.

[@Sablizzlebazzle]

Darius wasnt alive during the hashashins

[@snehalchow5311]

@@Sablizzlebazzle Exactly. The Hashashins were during the time of Altair. It was intentional since the Hashashins were actually based in the Assyrian region of Masyaf too.

[@ubayyd]

Bro that’s such BS. The hashashins came way after Darius. I don’t think they even exist in AC Lore

[@Sablizzlebazzle]

@@ubayyd the assassins were the hashashins. Just like we believe today the hashashin were destroyed same is believed in the ACunivers. Hashashin was turned into the word Assassins, and the word assassinate was first recorded used by Shakespeare.

[@Bardim18]

Exactly, thank you. Finally someone who has payed attention to AC Odyssey lore.

[@rondaniels5089]

I always considered Darius an Assassin since AC2, his statue is part of a Sanctuary dedicated to legendary assassins after all! The biggest mistake was having Bayek's origin story being set during Ptolemaic Egypt, Bayek's story should have been set much further in the past, maybe around the times when the Pharaohs from CoTP were actually alive.

[@johnhanifin1952]

Or maybe not have bayek be the brotherhoods founder

[@steeltrap6023]

Well he is. Its just he never had a brotherhood in that sense. But groups like his were accurate in ancient persia. He was always solo or with like minded folk. Hes more like an archetype that helped pave a way of doing things. The other thing is that bayek was never actually an assassin. And wasnt the one to start anything. Aya was. But what they show you in game isnt accurate to written lore.

[@parabalani]

His statue was built by people in 15th century. They didn't know history well

[@landonzuchowski6029]

I though the same thing but then I realized why the Assassin’s Origins are in Ptolemaic Egypt. The Hidden Blade was first used in 465 BC. If it had been founded around the time of the Pharaohs in COTP then the brotherhood would’ve existed without their signature weapon. The time of Akhenaten and Tutankhamen was a thousand years before the invention of the Hidden Blade.

[@memecliparchives2254]

Wow blame Origins for Odyssey's mistakes.

[@hokageder9.generation775]

A game with Darius as protagonist where you are running from the order with Persia as open world and he is at the beginning in running mode but after his wife was killed or something like that he realizes he has to fight

[@FelipePalha66]

On Revelations Ezio said to Sofia the Assassin's just reborn on Masyaf, and because of the previously shown video of Adam and Eve, i just assumed the 'Assassins' were Assassins since Adam and Eve, and Bayek was just part of another 'reboot' of the brotherhood just like Altair did it. It's not like i still care about the lore at this point, after 3, i just want to contemplate how deep this franchise will sink.

[@XSRVX_01]

I think ubisoft truly killed the series with origins

[@memecliparchives2254]

@@XSRVX_01 Don't blame Origins for this. Origins is where the Brotherhood truly started. Blame Odyssey for this.

[@XSRVX_01]

@@memecliparchives2254 origins started a bunch of contradictions in the series because it's pretty damn clear the order was made before bayek and yet they try to force him to be the creator of it

[@RyMann88]

@@XSRVX_01 Ugh, no. They never said this. Ever. What they said was, Bayek founded the group that would EVENTUALLY evolve into the group that became the Brotherhood that we knew of in Assassin's Creed in 2007. Bayek didn't form the actual group, but he did kick things off yes, and the moment the Hidden Ones were born was the first time a single group branched out around the world, with Bayek in Egypt and Aya/Amunet in Rome. It was this point that they started merging with the native factions shared ideas, methods, etc. Darius' group and the others stayed in their own countries, The Hidden Ones were the first to truly branch out into the world because they had both the means, and the understanding of the bigger picture. Bayek laid the groundwork, other people simply added to it until it became what we saw in the first game. @LazerzZ's issue is that Qubec relied too heavily on Iconography and symbolism in a literal way that openly spits in the face of established lore. And I agree. We KNEW that other groups existed. We knew these groups came together due to their beliefs and ideals, but Qubec is blatantly telling us "no, not true! See!" and it's stupid. There's ZERO communication between the lead studios regarding the story and plot elements other than modern day stuff (which obviously isn't much because the plot is just going to be delegated to the comics anyway and that's utter bullshit).

[@XSRVX_01]

@@RyMann88 thing is my problem is even if he didnt directly start the order, that still means the order wasn't around yet which makes no sense according to the early games because it has said the assassin templar war has been going on for thousands of years

[@dillanphillips8211]

I didn’t know the Blade was on top of the wrist originally, I haven’t played the DLC but I think that would have been cool if Darius created The Order of the Ancients and just saw the order he created be turned into the very thing he wanted to stop, I think it would have turned into more interesting plot, where he lost control of the order and it became corrupted and him killing Xerxes was him trying to take responsibility for his actions, like when Ezio talked about how everything was permitted. “To say that everything is permitted, is to understand that we are the architects of our actions, and that we must live with their consequences, whether glorious or tragic” and Darius tried correcting his mistakes maybe, I would like to discuss this with anyone who would like a dialogue on this

[@Jaanikins]

I think that idea gives Darius too much credit. When I played the games over the years, I never saw Darius as someone who had that much influence over history, just THE assassin who was the first wielder of the hidden blade. I think if you give characters too much in their pot of control and achievements, they risk becoming too OP. I understand where you're drawing that idea from, with Ezio's quote. But Ezio's quote was HIS interpretation of the Creed. If you look at AC4 with Edward speaking to the Mayan Assassin Leader, Edward has a completely different interpretation. So even though each member knows of the tenants of the creed, everyone has their own understanding and interpretation of it. Also, the idea of orders, groups, clans, governments, countries in these games all have elements of corruption or becoming corrupted all the time, so I think that's just something that's been over used.

[@dillanphillips8211]

BRITURK I know that was Ezio’s interpretation of the creed I used it for the point I was trying to make, like Arno’s was different as well (I always saw Edwards as more of questioning as the full exchange between him and Ah Tabai is: Ah Tabai: And what do you think of our Creed? Edward Kenway: It's hard to say. For if Nothing is true, then why believe anything? And if everything is permitted... why not chase every desire? Ah Tabai: Why indeed? Edward Kenway: It might be that this idea is only the beginning of Wisdom, and not its final form. Ah Tabai: That's quite a step up from the Edward I met here many years ago. He was beginning to make his own interpretation and Ah Tabai not giving his own view, it’s meant to be thought about by the individual so they can create and follow their own path that’s how I saw it at least) and it’s nothing to do with making them OP like with Aya/Amunet she became the co founder of the Hidden Ones but only she was remembered and Bayek forgotten, besides it would show Darius’ greatest failure and one that still haunted him, so I don’t think that would make him “OP” kinda like “The Road to Hell is Paved with Good Intentions” that’s where I was going with that idea, and it could connect with a Bayek sequel if they make one 🤞. Which was a subject that was brought up before on this channel. Where Bayek is worried about what would happen to the Hidden Ones after he’s gone

[@101Mant]

It's already established in Origins the Order of Ancients was founded by a Pharoh in something like 1300 BCE. So making Darius the founder would be a major retcon. Persia conquers Egypt around 500 BCE which is probably how the order spreads from Egypt into Persia. It seems like they haven't spread too far into Greece because they are trying to avoid the Cult of Kosmos.

[@dillanphillips8211]

Mark Antill That’s right I forgot about that with all the other things that Odyssey seemed to do away with, but it could still work, it’s just a bit of details would have to be altered, when Altair first took control the order changed, something like that could work like a reverse Shay and Altair kind of thing, thanks for pointing that out

[@RyMann88]

@@101Mant The Misthios completely destroys the Cult, which is a splinter group of the Cult of Hermes/Hermeticists. This is when the Order brought their presence to Greece (as we see in the DLC). The Cult of Kosmos doesn't return after this like the Templars have done in past games. Not sure how far you are into the story, but there are some references that explain how things play out from there. I can explain if you'd like, just reply.

[@sneakyqueixada]

I stopped caring about the lore a long time ago. We all know Ubisoft doesn't know what to do with the franchise. Its too many hands in the pot, too many studios with no real direction.

[@RyMann88]

@@aginggergown6303 They're not a bad studio. They're just a bad Assassin's Creed studio. let them do their own thing. In fact, just go back to the old way of doing things. Let one studio do all the work and release a game every 3-5 years. Seriously, Ubisoft, take a page from CD Projekt RED's book and focus on quality. Do this and we, the fans, will take care of you.

[@zacharybonia5853]

ac2 gave other game characters for other ac games

[@SzNagyMedard]

I think the dev team went full insane when they saw everyone saying “Odyssey doesn’t feel like an AC game”, so they said: “Oi, here’s your assassin then”, and of course they used the iconography card. Thank you for pointing out these weird storywriting decisions from Quebec, these things really bugged me, and you said them all. I like how you’re always honest about this franchise.

[@callumstone6164]

In masyaf, there was library which I'd assume was full of historical books, surely the assassins learnt from these and maybe that's why darius has a statue made, because he was an inspiration for the creed. I know bayek made the creed and it is similar even though he doesn't know them but the creed does develop, even altair changes the creed after al mualim.

[@thefreshvince879]

darius moved to egypt after odyssey with kassandras child, hence why amunet is half greek half egyptia and persian

[@helenline1790]

@@thefreshvince879 but odyssey is too shit to count as canon. So who cares.

[@jamesbruce3973]

I didn’t know that JFK was assassinated with a hidden blade and by a Templar.

[@quagmire4469]

He wasn’t

[@fitzviandraduivenab2790]

@@quagmire4469watch out, something flew over your head

[@quagmire4469]

Althaf Budianto Well with the amount of stupid people in the community these days, it’s hard to tell

[@Leon_SKennnedy]

@@quagmire4469 Nah, you're the stupid one

[@zacharybonia5853]

im confused was he killed by the templar or an assassin

[@billnguyen4148]

some long time AC fans, like James, and me, we care about the lore, the narrative of the whole franchise, a lot. and we want it to be great. but for AAA game companies, they don't see the importance of lore in a game franchise, they see it as an IP, how popular it is, how much money it could make. that's it, that's all there is to it, "it's just a game" after all. are they to blame for having such mindset? i mean they are run by business men and business men are trained to think about those things and nothing more, so are they really to blame if they don't care about the story of a game, if it consistent or not? maybe, or maybe not. something to think about...

[@titanicww2345]

I mean what did you all expect, the original writers are long gone. I think the last worked on Black Flag. This is a franchise, and not a niche one so really there is little incentive to keeping consistent to the lore in order to make 2-3 KZbinrs and a couple of fans happy. The Lore actually cripples new settings somewhat.

[@titanicww2345]

Additionally as a long time fan who owns all the main line games plus Liberation, I consider the Lore wrecked by ACIII and final coherent lore to have ended in Rogue. The Lore has been destroyed long ago and you are all just realizing it now. It is funny actually. Too late mate.

[@steeltrap6023]

Just because people have a difference of info or opinion doesnt mean they dont care about lore. Tbh most of the lore you care about isnt even accurate. A lot of things i see people complain about are things that are historically there and have been incorporated. Just because theres something you dont like doesnt mean others dont care. For instance groups like darius'is historically accurate. So why is he saying its not? Because he doesnt know they are pulling from things based in historical records. Thats the main problem with these videos where you keep buying games you dont like and not showing ubi that you dont like it by not buying it. All thats happening here is more ppl are buying because of all the bitching about accuracy. This lazer fanbase agrees with him but the majority doesnt give two shits about what he says. I guess that means they dont care. Nothing in the series has been accurate long before these titles. But thats okay. You and james can keep on being the only ones caring.

[@spotsthenpc7796]

@@titanicww2345 the original writers last ac work was brotherhood. Just saying

[@cyvanzanten553]

It is not about the brotherhood of is about de ideologie that that was already before the brotherhood

[@THEONLYDC]

New theory, Iltani is the granddaughter or great granddaughter of Kassandra and Natakas. I like this theory except for one bit, Ubisoft Quebec is writing this story and not Ashraf and his team. Please Ubisoft let Ashraf’s team be the only team developing AC games from now on. #bayeksequel

[@hydreigon2709]

Yes I want a Bayek sequel. If there will be ever one, then in Rome, and also, Bayek will be a lot older. Maybe theyd reinvent the brotherhood system because in all this time bayek expanded the hidden ones.

[@ikaika6397]

Deshan Cheliah No.

[@zerolong3922]

Personally I think that the Hidden One and the creed are two separate organizations. As far as I know Bayek and the Hidden One only works within and around Egypt. Where as the creed is found around the world and the founder/leader can be trace back to Greece one way or another.

[@THEONLYDC]

@@zerolong3922 I believed The Creed as an organisation was founded by Hassan-i Sabbāh which he restructured from the Hidden Ones. Why do you think the founder can be traced back to Greece, when Hassan was born in Qom, Persia and Bayek was from Siwa, Ptolemaic Egypt?

[@zerolong3922]

Deshan Cheliah That is true, but the question is where did he become a Hidden One. As I said before there is nothing to indicate that Bayek is operating out side of Egypt from AC Origin. But Aya is seen traveling between Greece and Rome so it’s more likely that Hassan becomes a Hidden One under Aya’s branch.

[@indianspartan76]

Isn't it just possible that he tried to form it and failed because his friends went and joined the Order instead? The Brotherhood created by Bayek is the one that has actually persisted to this day. It's like this: we think Apple invented the tablet with the iPad, but actually a tablet had been first made by Microsoft in 2003ish and failed miserably. Since Apple made it, it's been good and now other companies make them too. It's not a 1:1 analogy, but the logic holds

[@memecliparchives2254]

Not bad

[@brunomachado894]

The problem is Bayek created a creed which is exactly like Dariu's, but he didn't even know about Dariu's existence. It's just too unlikely for me to belive. In your example, Apple clearly was inspired by Microsoft, whereas Bayek wasn't inspired by Darius.

[@ちはマダラ]

​@@brunomachado894​ darius was mentioned in origins but we never know much about him in origins maybe records do not exist as they were either never found or destroyed if his brotherhood was defeated .

[@brunomachado894]

@@ちはマダラ Really? When was he mentioned? I don't remember it.

[@ちはマダラ]

From what i remember when you receive the hidden blade from aya she said it belonged to the man who killed xerxes which is darius i might be wrong

[@TotallyToonsTV]

Praise Ashraf Ismael!

[@032_m.alfathcirrus5]

Only need one man to save the franchise...

[@kratosthegodofwar2593]

The saviour of the AC franchise.

[@mizcaesar1804]

THE HOLY DUO I WANT SOMEONE TO GIVE THEM AN AWARD FOR KEEPING AC ALIVE

[@sam-fr5tc]

aged well

[@TotallyToonsTV]

@@sam-fr5tc *deep inhale* yeeeeeaaahhh

[@mrsarcasm5900]

How cool would it have been if they saved this dlc for the bayek sequel. Darius couldve been alive because of the staff. And he could've helped Bayek with his story.

[@muhammedtahir786]

that would've been great but that needs thinking to do

[@hydreigon2709]

Well have a bayek sequel where bayek is in rome and an old man like ezio in the last of the ezio trilogy i think, it would make a lot of sense because aya is there.

[@ikaika6397]

ScournRorschach 6 No.

[@bugs1285]

Yeah, a lot of missed opportunities in this game and DLC.

[@harel70]

According to your logic, robin hood is an assassin. He wear's a hood, have a creed in sherwood forest, attack from the shadows, and don't hurt the innocent. As some said before me, Darius didn't had a creed he formed an organization that was looking to make parsia safe, he killed xarxes and done what he can to fight the order, his organization failed because his friends decided to join the order and hunt darius for opposing them. The order hunted down darius and his family killing his wife, forcing him to leave parsia and hide. Darius doesn't have a creed he is hiding in a cave.

[@christian585]

harel70 god exactly! James banks on negativity and knowing that tiny bit more about lore than most that people praise him as some sort of AC god. He makes multiple lore mistakes across his videos then runs off and stops responding when he can’t argue with cited facts...

[@RodrigoRosseeuw]

IMO, this game has divided the AC fan-base more than any other before it. The CORE fans (like me :P) that not only care about gameplay mechanics and exploration, but really care about the LORE, the TONE, and we are so invested in it that we wish the franchise always took itself seriously, like Montreal studio does with its games. And the other "fans" that only care about having "FUN" assassinating targets and exploring the world and mounting a unicorn LOL (which includes a large part of the mainstream media), but they will stop buying AC games like it was nothing to them. And because this game (odyssey) was so popular with these mainstream "fans", I'm just afraid we (the true fans) will be ignored, and what we want will not matter anymore (like never before), and also this will affect Montreal's vision of the franchise. Hope I'm wrong and they manage to understand the mainstream will not be as loyal in the long run.

[@violetrose415]

Ikr :(

[@ShalThuzar]

So true

[@cap1841]

I agree

[@RandallBalls]

"True fans" have to care about the incoherent babbling ubisoft has passed off as "lore"? This is a series that routinely takes historical figures and places them hundreds of years before or after their deaths just to squeeze in "real history". Real fans, lmfao. Play a game with real lore like Halo or RDR, or even Final Fantasy which is at least story driven. AC stories have always been lazy and are just there to give some semblance of a "who, what, where, and why". I've played every AC, including all chapters of the 2d game, and I forget the stories before the credits even roll. Compare that to games like FF 7-12 (I don't care much for the older ones, though I hear the stories are phenomenal), RDR 1&2, and even GTA 4&5, all games I can recite the story beginning to end after only a single play through. Face it AC lore junkies, your game was never loved for its story except for a SMALL handful of players, and AC is famous for its mechanics, which is its almost unanimous that new AC > old AC. I wouldn't trade Odyssey for every AC before it combined if you paid me.

[@josephkelly3044]

@@RandallBalls Assassins Creed is all about the story. Its story driven the exact same as those other games you listed off (Except GTA). That has never changed. And to say it's mechanics are it's selling point is utterly ridiculous. If that were the case, Unity and Syndicate would have been received exceedingly well.

[@AdachiSimp]

At this point Odyssey is an alternate timeline

[@oldmothertucker323]

Actually let's all remember that Aya put the hidden blade on Bayek's arm. So it was actually her mistake that led to it being worn that way, Bayek losing his finger, and essentially causing every assassin thereafter to be misinformed about the positioning of the hidden blade.

[@apprenticej7022]

Image an Assassin’s Creed game...WHERE YOU’RE NOT EVEN THE FUCKING ASSASSIN!

[@haven9409]

The tainted ones are not the pre assassins people they’re people with precursor blood, Darius lives in shadows because he’s being hunted(same reason he’s in a mountain) he kills without being seen because he’s old and can’t fight like he used too.. at no point does he say he doesn’t kill innocents.... and he’s after the order because they controlled The Persian king so killing the king alone doesn’t fix the tyranny he sees the order as a tyrant and from what the dlc seems he stops actively hunting them after they ran and hid, and they feel that he betrayed Persia their goal was to make Persia safe no matter the coast even if it meant joining the order... but Darius kept to his belief and wasn’t okay with it...... so~ (side missions were a little lame though but lore wise i don’t see a problem he’s basically a Persian Alexius and to him the ancients would be the cult and the loading was silly... also is the new king a baby? Or like a child?) Edit; he follows the pillars of an assassin by chance is what it seems to want you to believe is all I’m saying basically but he never says anything about killing innocents :/ though wouldn’t be surprise if we go to Persia and then he’s like don’t kill the people I love them all or something :/

[@lordvika2526]

Did you miss the part in the first or second chapter where he says he was part of an order that was similar to the Assassins or even the Maji. And that he killed the king because he found out he was part of the order. After that he became exiled and had to run because they wanted to kill him. He has been fighting the way he has been for his entire life

[@palsada1166]

Ever since humans broke away from those who came before, there have been those fighting to control everything and those fighting for chaos. There were Templars before Templars were a thing. There were assassins before assassins were a thing. But the thing that stands out to me is that not many of them extended past the era they were in, except bayek. Darius being a typical assassin is great and all, but if his brotherhood falls apart (which it does) and doesn't continue on, doesn't establish a creed to be followed, how is he a founder? He isn't. The foundation for this is set up in AC3. When the chosen one through the ages gathers a small group to refound society after a world changing event, only for the same divisions and groups fighting for order, others for chaos, that sets up this line of thinking. For example, laser, stop and ponder this for just a second. You are mad about the lore for A.C. being cheapened by odyssey. But were you mad about the order of the ancients being Templars before Templars existed? We're you mad about the cult being Templars before the Templars were a thing? The Templars in the AC universe are going through the same evolution. My point here is that there have been, and always will have been since Adam and Eve groups that rise up and do the assassin thing, and groups that rise up and do the Templars thing. The thing that makes bayek and aya the founders is their organization is the only one to grow out of their origin story and continue on to the modern day. The Templars could only really say that about themselves hundreds of years later when around the times of the crusades. Bayek and aya were also the first group of assassins to export their ideology, which also solidifies their founder status. We know that by the end of origins DLC that they are expanding into the Levant and the heart of the Roman Empire. Darius and his group collapsed. I think what AC is saying is that the left alone to their own devices, there will always be groups that very strongly resemble the Templars and groups that will always strongly resemble the assassins. Going off of lore, the fight between order and chaos has been ongoing since cane and able.

[@mcslaggers4999]

Finally someone understands Jesus.

[@dogestranding5047]

Paul Walker And in our normal and civilized society, these organizations have no real purpose. There are aspects in life that go beyond the worthless fights amongst Templars and Assassins. Things like science, philosophy, happiness, and other good things in life. The Assassins kill all those who disagree with them. If they really wanted peace, they would want to work themselves out of a job.

[@pspismyname02]

As much as I hate odyssey, we cannot forget what Altair said in the Codex. He states that he believes the creed existed before them but they have merely rediscovered it

[@HovektheArtist]

@@pspismyname02 a good way of showing this is the cave paintings in rogue, those are ages old at the time and tell of "good and chaotic spirits that fight for freedom and control" as part of the origin of the world as they knew it, as far as native americans were concerned "assassins and templars" were the "chaotic and good spirits" respectively and had always been around. When one rose the other fell and when one fell another rose And in black flag theres notes on how the central american brotherhood was just a group of natives who already followed a similar creed and used similar tactics that just merged with the brotherhood, which was noted in another part of black flag as a sign that there can never be one without the other and they always existed just lost and forgotten like the sites and artifacts they both hunt for

[@lordvika2526]

@Yo Momma Different parts of the world have different names for things that are exactly the same. Also who's to say that Byake didn't get it wrong? He just found the hidden blade and put it on, he wasn't told how to use it he just assumed that's how it was used and he actually paid for it because he lost a finger when he first used it.It wasn't until much later that Altiare modified it that they didn't have to actually cut off their finger when becoming a full fledged member if the brotherhood. Also seeing as Darious was the one who created the hidden blade in the first place, he would be the one who would known how it's actually used, and seeing as no one knew better they just assumed he used it just like they did.

[@TheRealDlazyfella]

Can we all just say that this game will and should never be canon to the ac storyline.

[@lostsoul7345]

you don't have to be an Assassin to realize that stealth is a good way to kill people you can't challenge directly. and Darius could have found out about the order of ancients the same way kassandra found the Cult.

[@omaramin3413]

Tbh after origins I thought that ubisoft learnt from their mistakes and were going to polish their games but it seems they never did. I really liked the AC story too bad that it is going to shit.

[@divinuscontundito2748]

I thought the same. You're not alone on that one. Clearly, the haven't learned.

[@mulattens]

After Desmund's death posing as jesus is where ac's story fell off. Of course it was interesting with the first civilazation and all that but still whack. But gameplay kept me going, rogue and a few others where thrash games but this one and origins are fun for what they are. I can't even be bothered with the lore anymore.

[@Max1990Power]

You have a lot of valid points, although I personally liked to play AC Odyssey. This DLC was a bit confusing(so far). I have spent 190h on the game so far. But one issue I have is the fact that I now have 1 million in game money but nothing to spend it on. If we had something like a montirrigioni or a way to upgrade buildings, build houses it would give me more meaning to spend more time on the game.

[@foxsapprentice3335]

They need to make Odyssey not cannon

[@Ayytham]

Darius' story made him act that way, and that's actually logical; hiding his face, hiding himself with his son from the Order because they were chasing them, and all of that. Darius' traits are not invented by Bayek, Bayek didn't invented the concept of having respect for the innocent, nor the concept of hiding, nor the hoods. Also, there were "Assassins" before Bayek and Amunet, and that makes a lot of sense actually. Inside the lore, there are proto Assassins, that shared the ideas of the brotherhood but lived before its creation, and there are many examples of this (Adam, Eve, Iltani, Kassandra). They had the means to fight the Order or everything that could put in danger free will, and they were considered Assassins after the creation of the brotherhood, even if they weren't. Some of them even had groups, and even Bayek is a proto Assassin at some point, but the difference Is that he made the brotherhood that would last until the present day.

[@KayTahm]

In my head, I see it as Darius and his little brotherhood is exclusive to where he lives and his country. Then his assassin's ideals continue down his bloodline to Aya and Bayek in origins until they decide to make the brotherhood a global order to combat the Templars. Darius had his little local assassin group and then that expanded into bayek and the start of the actual order.

[@moonknightish]

To be fair, the brotherhood being founded by Bayek made no sense because it was always said in the previous games that versions of the brotherhood existed since the birth of civilization. So it makes sense that Darius was in charge of an ancient version of the brotherhood, that Bayek created the hidden ones and that Al Mualim created the modern assassins, and all are connected. At this point the Medjays as the extension of the brotherhood and traditions of Darius, makes sense, even if it's really forced. The problem of this retcon was created by Origins, not by Odyssey.

[@codyjimenez1565]

Darious dressed that way, and then his granddaughter saw this. The granddaughter then taught her kids this, and this cycle went on for a while. and then aya came along and was able to teach Bayek these things.

[@irecordwithaphone1856]

Except none of that exists in Origins. There’s no explanation for that. Plus the leap of faith thing was something Bayek’s father taught him. How tf was Darius doing the same fucking thing? This DLC ruins a lot of what Origins established, the entire purpose of that game’s narrative was to show the beginning of the creed and how Bayek envisioned and formed it.

[@Bardim18]

@@irecordwithaphone1856 Maybe because Bayek and his father are descendants of Darius?

[@ThreeFlatDucks]

Odyssey is my first assassins creed game. I couldn’t be more confused about the lore

[@shivaruka9126]

Retrospectively, Darius is the best character in this DLC. LEave out his offspring, and the first episode would be 100% better.

[@Glow155]

Well remember the concentration of first civ dna isnt always passed on its more recessive, like desmond activated the apple but william couldnt because according to him “his dna isnt right”

[@BossKillRatio]

Most people think time is like a river that flows swift and sure in one direction. But I have seen the face of time, and I can tell you: they are wrong. Time is an ocean in a storm. You may wonder who I am or why I say this. Sit down and I will tell you a tale like none you have ever heard... Bayek was and was not the start of the brotherhood. Darius was and was not the start of the brotherhood. There is no absolute 'firsts' in the face of time. The only truth is that as long as light exist then so will darkness in the absence of it. As long as order and control exist then so will chaos and freedom. We work in the dark to serve the light, our fight is eternal and never-ending, we are... Assassins!

[@cap1841]

Well.... The original and the actual start of the brotherhood is Hassan I-Sabaah

[@cap1841]

I dare you to search it on google :D

[@robertcastanpn288]

@@cap1841 doubt it creed were always there but not calked brotherhood

[@cap1841]

@@robertcastanpn288 But Assassin's Creed is a game that meant to follow the story of a brotherhood, not the creed

[@grape1310]

No. The ideology is "eternal" but the Brotherhood and its symbols and conventions are not. Bayek started all that.

[@jasonbond5213]

Wouldn't it have been cool had Darius had a hidden blade etc, but he actually follows ideologies rather similar to the ones of the Templars? Obviously h3 wouldn't have the exact same mindset for that would raise similar problems to the ones the DLCs story does have, but I think it would have been an interesting dynamic had the man Assassins see as one of their big role models and founding fathers in a way in actuality been a supporter of ideals similar to the people assassins fight. It would show how similar the two orders are in a way.

[@guilhermelonskispacheco7644]

Just compare the story of AC I till Brotherhood with Odyssey...what happened Ubisoft??!

[@louisjefferies2733]

Patrice left

[@dienekesn9312]

I definitely liked the idea of Darius opposing Xerxes purely to end tyranny and free Persia, and it was just a coincidence that Xerxes was part of the order, good point there sir

[@shawnn188]

well this the problem is the second team that does Assassin's Creed don't care about this game and doesn't it seriously the team that made origins seem like they really care about Assassin's Creed and the story

[@crozraven]

how come people just realized this now? AC lore has become irrelevant & unimportant for Ubisoft since AC3 ending. So of course we would found total shenanigans & inconsistency in some aspects & a bunch of retconning.

[@augustca1984]

Some are saying brotherhood some say black flag. Funny thing about most opinions they dont change shit

[@taliongravewalker6776]

It is only episode 1... it was all about setting up the rest of the dlc.

[@steeltrap6023]

Well you know "fans" man if you breathe in any direction whatsoever their little straw suburban home comes crashing down. Inb4 boys that havent hit puberty, yet have facial hair and squealing british accents makes a new video.

[@blahblahmehable]

The person who thought it was a good idea to split the dlc into episodes and put on out once a month is a moron. I've paid for the dlc give it to me In it's entirety.

[@1313fina]

There may have been assassins before Bayek, but not a Brotherhood Assassin.

[@Chronic_Reaper]

I’m so tired of Ubisoft shoving shit down our throats and spitting in our face with a franchise that was once one of the best

[@titanicww2345]

Stop buying their games if you do not like it. Additionally fans will whine and complain either way. Sales matter and Odyssey is successful. That means all the changes will be implemented even more vigorously in future installments. Lazerzz and Fizhy's favorite director Ashraf Ismail is not going to save anything. The salty fans are looking for something that is not happening.

[@steeltrap6023]

You know like back when ac1 came out you were just getting into junior high. So yeah man fuck them. Fans fans fans.

[@memecliparchives2254]

@@titanicww2345 Then you don't care about Assassins Creed as much as a true fan.

[@titanicww2345]

@@memecliparchives2254 No true Scotsman fallacy my boy.

[@XSRVX_01]

I think the game was better before origins

[@OneMo1]

THANK YOU !!! you said everything I've been yelling since they released odyssey.

[@augustca1984]

Calm down if youre yelling. Its a videogame that has been going on for many many years. While you yell people are still playing.

[@kylian1961]

I'VE GOT BIG SHOES MAAN

[@jacobholly2096]

The outfit Darius was wearing when he kills Xerxes looks like the one he has in monteregionni.

[@loganponthier3119]

This is part of the reason I hope they do not let Quebec make anymore AC games.

[@harel70]

He wasn't a baby he was young. According to the blind king quest his brothers convinced darius to kill him, darius was certain that he was a part of the order.

[@williamfunke7798]

My ultimate AC game: After the assassination of Caesar, Rome is in chaos. The main character is the son of a good Roman senator who is rising to power. The Order of the Ancients kills the senator, thinking he is a threat. Because of this, the son goes on a revenge mission hunting those who killed his father, not knowing they are part of a greater order. Eventually he runs into Aya while on a mission, that she is also on, and they partner up and he ends up joining the Hidden Ones bureau in Rome. Bayek could even make a special appearance at some point in the game.

[@titanicww2345]

While Rome subjugates Bayek's beloved backward Egypt and his fledgling bureau. Augustus nephew of Caesar wins the Civil War, takes over Egypt, and secures Rome as an Empire. The empire experiences the longest period of peace. There is not enough material there because the bad guys win and Hidden ones barely survive in that empire.

[@feralchangeling97]

Cool. Mine would be in the Isu Era, with events mirroring ancient Biblical events like the Flood being a weapon used by the Isu in the war. Maybe the protagonist would be a rogue Isu that inspired the story of Lucifer, the one who gave Eve the Apple to wage war against his own people.

[@memecliparchives2254]

@@titanicww2345 Well Bayek and his brotherhood escaping to MASYAF.

[@RyMann88]

@@feralchangeling97 As cool as it would be, they won't do that. Too many media outlets would destroy the game.

[@RyMann88]

@@memecliparchives2254 We know via lore that Masyaf was inhabited much, much later. The only thing from Bayek's time in Masyaf was Bayek's Apple of Eden, which did eventually end up in Solomon's temple from the beginning of Assassin's Creed.

[@MassEffect1988]

The only link I can think of is perhaps - When the lineage got up to Aya's upbringing, maybe something she did or came across in her teen/young adult life, led her to get some knowledge of her ancestors role in assassinations etc 🤔🧐 also - is it not feasible that different "brotherhood's" could have arisen in different locations?

[@daniellogan-scott5968]

Before Origins, everything in the lore pointed to a Persian origin. The historic real world Assassins were from Persia, the oldest known Assassin was Persian, the philosophy has parallels with Zoroastrianism (the native religion of Persia), the legendary location of Eden is in Persia, and even the game itself spun-off from Prince of Persia. But no, Ubisoft wanted to do a game set in Egypt. Maybe this is a lame attempt to fix what I consider to be the mistake of Origins. Also, Bayek did not found the order in Origins, it was all Aya. Bayek is depicted as just being along for the ride.

[@spotsthenpc7796]

Bayek had the idea for the brotherhood and Aya executed it. They are both the founders of the brotherhood.

[@kiyanmehrpour6105]

Exactly if it was in Persia it would make more sense

[@andyread1382]

I know I am really late to the party here as recently came across this channel and although i dont always agree I find it really interesting to see others perspectives, especially someone who has been invested in the overarching story and lore from the beginning much like I have. On the Darius being an assassin in all but name and that not making sense in the wider narrative, I found that the tenants of the brotherhood were so intrinsically linked that I could easily see where something like that could have come before and just died out if it was not carried on especially with the advent of the hidden blade. First with wanting to kill the baby he is not adhering to do not spill the blood of innocents (heritage is irrelevant the baby had done nothing and basically ask "what would Ezio / Altair (select preference lol) do?" and that would be nothing or just keep an eye for going down the same path). Which is shown to be true by the fact that the boy king does not get swayed by the Order of the Ancient. Taking the vigilante path so to speak is not that out there, every generation has its revolutionaries really, and then developing the blade to achieve that would surely lead to questions of how best to use it, hiding but having to be close enough to your target, sneaking around leading to wearing a hood to help staying out of sight - they are all logical decisions and methods being made based on how best to use the weapon against protected people. Of course its not a big leap to seek out like minded people or even to having a gathering place, although that is brief and it is mostly individuals from after Xerxes so no lasting formation of a brotherhood, more temporary alliances, with these ethics and morals being passed down culminating in Aya who alongside Bayek actually forms the Hidden Ones as an actual group embodying all those beliefs. On the traitor front I saw it as a traitor to Persia rather than traitor to his friends and his guilt at that being more about being seen as a traitor to the very place he wanted to protect / rid of corruption. I am not saying I am right or that you are wrong, just that with my perspective and the way I have seen it I think it, by and large, fits in with the lore :-)

[@BastiaenAssassin]

Odyssey has no integrity in general.

[@lucasliu2575]

I mean the brotherhood is just a creed filled with assassins, doesn't mean there wasn't any assassins before or outside of the brotherhood.

[@LoKing1337]

Yes there were others outside and before the creed, but they weren’t following the exact rules that the creed have

[@mohammadzohirulislam8883]

i don't call this an Assassin's Creed game ; I call it "Odyssey : Mercenary Adventure on ancient Greece" Ubisoft will loose a big chunk of loyal AssassinsCreed Fans , if they keep making games like Odyssey : Mercenary Adventure on ancient Greece, which spits on the AC lore and core fundamentals.

[@titanicww2345]

Haha no, with sales of Odysssey surpassing Origins they will get new fans that do not care that much about the lore or the previous titles. Sure they will lose some of the old guard but that will be offset by the new ones. Remember Lazerzz, Fizhy and people that are upset with the changes are in the minority. Bitching about is fine and dandy but it not going to convince a Billion dollar company to change their financially successful strategy.

[@steeltrap6023]

Youre right so i dont see why ppl are complaining about there being no assassins in the game. They wont lose sales because the problem is with the gameplay not the lore the lore has been a problem since 3. So if ppl are truly faans they shouldnt be liking anything past ac2. This generation prefers this type of gameplay and customization. Sadly thats messed up things. They should never return to original ac combat it was horrid. But they should definitely return to roots in terms of no rpg elements and one shot assassinations.

[@bzibzibebo]

It's sad to see some people not enjoying at all the changes ... i love AC, and the story, but for me the lore was kinda secondary, what i loved the most was the gameplay nd the environment and the concept of the animus. And i love so much how the series is evolving towards RPG. So im kinda sorry for people that don't like it 😅 But i mean, if you really dont like the series anymore, maybe try other games ? I mean it's been 10 years of AC, gaming and interests has evolved 🤷‍♀️

[@sefin84]

They lose 1 and gain 10 new. A good deal for them. I hate it, but it is the way it is sadly

[@mohammadzohirulislam8883]

@@sefin84 the problem is a franchise should bring a community together but not divide it,Odyssey has done just that

[@DarthTingleBinks]

So, I'm not sure if you've read the Codex pages in AC2 or not, but in one of the pages, Altair writes that the Templars will essentially never die, because an idea can not be destroyed. He also writes that he believes the Assassin brotherhood is also the same thing and that they are doing the same thing as others before them. Although, I'm not sure how literal he was being, or to what extent he meant. So I'm not sure if he meant there was a similar brotherhood before Bayek started it, or if there were just groups who fought back against those who oppressed them, and others. But if his words are to be taken in the most literal form, Bayek cannot have started the idea of the brotherhood, as ideas have always existed, and the brotherhood was essentially copying someone else, without even knowing it.

[@reecevince2166]

For me he had a daughter not a son

[@indianspartan76]

If you play as Alexios, Natakas died and Neema lived. If you play as Kassandra, it's the other way around.

[@RogueAssassin]

Same.

[@johnkittz]

@III-GabeN-III dang that sucks. I have a hard time connecting to female characters. I had a better time with alexios.

[@reecevince2166]

This shits confusing

[@N0skGaming]

They force the ending upon you. They act like they are giving you choices but they never do. This was so bad that I have no words.

[@hamaguitar]

because this game is not Assassins creed

[@augustca1984]

Pretty sure its in the title.

[@bruh_3139]

August Carlson I see you are replying to almost most of the comments it seems. Can’t tell if you are a troll or a diehard odyssey fan.

[@animecrunchtime]

the way i think about just to mesh both canons is that the assassins existed during Darius' time but were unified by Bayek and his brotherhood. I know it technically doesnt work but hell i just want it too in my head.

[@josephanderson4023]

My argument against how you say it doesn't make sense. Compare the beliefs of the Greeks and the beliefs of the Vikings. Both believed in Gods (plural) who were very human-like with flaws and all. Several places around the world have Pyramids, but none of the civilizations that built them have made any contact. So, when you say it makes no sense at all that there were other groups of assassin's with ideas that were incredibly similar, makes no sense itself. Traitors would call the innocent party traitors. . . . . . -Face palm.- I'm sure Hitler betrayed tons of his loyals, and he straight up called them traitors afterward. -.-; As for the rest of it, I can't disagree. It could've been better and by using some of the points you've brought up. Also, Darius' group could've grown and grown and linked up with Bayek's Creed long after. They knew they were fighting for something similar. I'm just saying. It's incredibly possible. lol And I could put out a whole lot more arguments against the stuff you've said, but I've already typed a ton. Either way, they're definitely moving away from the lore, though. Moving more towards an RPG styled game with all the elements of choice and so on.

[@daro.v]

Plus Amunet spread the Brotherhood in 48 BC. Not back in 400 BC

[@DHSNAKE]

I think ubisoft is trying to take the narrative of assassins creed back to Persia where the organization was created in reality. Assassin creed one was supposed to be an prince of Persia sequel but was made to be an own game. I don't mind them taking the story back home where it started instead of it taking place everywhere in the world except for in Persia or including Persian characters at some point of the game. But i understand your point. I wish they had an idea where they would go with the dlc of the odyssey when they were working on origins so that ubisoft could introduce a proto assassin (Persian) character that in interaction with bayek would inspire him to create the official assassin order to fight the common enemy to both their organisations. Lost opportunity now at this point. But i still hope for an entire game in the Persian empire scenario. Maybe thru a persian scenario, a certain medjay will fight our character since Persia invaded and controlled egypt for centuries. Not impossible. Don't give up man. They might be able to fix this. Give us assassins creed Persia damn it! :)

[@Max-pt4tx]

I don't know what Id do without your vids clearing up what we're all wondering, whilst most of the gaming world and content creators don't acknowledge or just pretend it doesn't matter.

[@augustca1984]

The people that give you something to bitch about. God you people sound dumb.

[@presidentofidiots520]

Please don’t say Ubisoft we all know Quebec is the ones behind this otherwise Montreal is also included

[@gav2262]

Stfu ubisoft is shit

[@hydreigon2709]

Montreal is worlds better than quebec

[@presidentofidiots520]

Slightly Sexual wut

[@memecliparchives2254]

Montreal had nothing to do with this.

[@presidentofidiots520]

Andree Tungcab no I’m just saying that if he says Ubisoft as a whole he includes Montreal

[@Guardian582]

when you realize that Bhayek, and the Eagle-Bearer are NOT related to Ezio, or Altair it makes much more sense

[@cringename]

Every time I hear your intro I do the hype. 😏

[@Mephilis78]

I agree, those statues in Monteriggioni were probably built by early 15th century Italians, or late 14th century Italians lol It's not like they had pictures of this historical figures. They probably didn't really know what Altair (a guy from half a millennium earlier) looked like either, they just made an educated guess based on the surviving assassin robes from the period.

[@luccas_4988]

James destroying odyssey with facts and logic, EPIC STYLE

[@Phurzt]

The real sad part about Darius being basically a Brotherhood Assassin is that with all the non-assassins creed shit Odyssey does they could have literally made Darious anything. They could have made any type of character with Darious and it would make sense. Basically the one time I didnt want Odyssey to be Assassins Creed is the one time they actually are Assassins Creed. Imagine if Darious was a brute of a warrior who uses the hidden blade because he realised the big brutish weapons he is familiar with arent great when an enemy gets close to him.

[@thehiddenone2875]

I understand some of your points but i feel like, although Red Dead was an awesome Game, i would always choose Assassins Creed over red Dead becuase Red Dead feels like a Movie Game... it is way too realistic which runis the fun for me...

[@moistslippers9726]

Remember that the First Blade DLC has 3 episodes. So we’re only 1/3rd of the way through the DLC

[@mitchalicious]

22 minutes of pure reeee

[@youwotm8881]

I feel like the DLC and main story should've been one story as the MAIN STORY... also written better

[@strangebrw1]

Inflammatory title designed to trigger angry comments, childish giggling, lore breaking, Ubisoft development team, Bayek/Ezio, Ezio/Bayek, criticisms that can be applied to any other AC game...I got Lazerzz bingo

[@stupidw33b52]

Well, when a company doesn't give a fuck about making good sequels to their once amazing series it does begin to feel repetitive the 13th time

[@itsniko9561]

I like the game because it explains what tf the isu are, what they do, etc... But I get why people are angry since it does have “assassins creed” in the title

[@michaelanderson9947]

Bigger isn’t always better is the new argument I hear often now. That would apply if the game wasn’t good..soo here we are. It’s a good game get over it if it’s not for you that’s your problem.

[@LazerzZ]

man why are you people always so arrogant with your delusional illogical opinions.

[@titanicww2345]

@@LazerzZ Irony alert. Irony Alert.

[@rpgislife]

So, to put it simply, with Darius, they retconned a retcon.

[@MrCasgus]

4:16 in and just noticed something quite funny... I play as Alexios.. For me Darius has a daughter, not a son. wut

[@sybilreichlan6117]

It's them forcing heterosexuality on you. You will (spoiler) always end up fucking Darius's child and having a kid with them. No matter what. Even if you played your character as exclusively gay. Which fine, if they had made no dialogue options and written it that way fine. But as it is they MARKETED their game as being driven by player choice and rip it away in the DLC just so you can have a child.

[@smurfsquadgaming9504]

So he claims Darius never affected Bayek but he may have affected Aya bayeks wife because she explains she got the blade from a friend. That friend may be a descendent of Darius or someone who knew Darius style of hiding in the shadows thus impacting Aya. Sure Bayek was the founder but maybe Aya was the one who added the Tenets or the style of Darius. They never point this out but wouldnt be smart to add the friend who gave aya the hidden blade into the creed. So if that friend was added he would probably also explain Darius' style to Aya and Bayek thus making it a part of the creed

[@IMRavnos]

Videos like this drive me nuts. Did he really just say that they need to make brand new areas for new story elements and characters while at the same time bring up copy and pasted assets from two separate games? Maybe I am confused.

[@augustca1984]

Yeah youre right hes just mad because its not his story. Just a whiney nerd.

[@lostsoul7345]

They called Darius a traitor because they thought he had betrayed their goal of protecting Persia. Amorges and Pactyas thought the best way to protect Persia was to join the Order and considered Darius a traitor because he didn't.

[@joshfallon123]

I actually enjoyed AC Odyssey and all the bonus content.

[@titanicww2345]

I concur.

[@jhouser12]

Counterargument to the whole criticism of Darius being a proper Assassin before the Brotherhood existed: The Templars have older antecedents (Order of the Ancients and the Cult of Kosmos) with similar goals, structures, methods of operation, and use of heavy-handed iconography, so why is it so unimaginable that the Assassins have similar precursors? If we assume that the Templars/Ancients/etc generally "win" the larger conflicts between themselves and their ideological opponents - which I don't think is a reach, given the relatively broken (or outright non-existent) state of the Brotherhood in just about every game - it makes sense that they would erase those opponents as much as possible in victory. Darius obviously fails to wipe out the Order of the Ancients since they still exist in roughly the same (or a more powerful) form some 400 years later. Wouldn't it make sense for them to destroy as much evidence of Darius' organization as possible in that interim to prevent imitator groups from rising up? Hell, Darius' hidden blades are a major point of the canonical foundation of the Hidden Ones in Origins. It's not inconceivable that two different organizations - even a pair separated by centuries - with essentially the same goals would adopt similar methods and icons. Especially when both organizations in question wield the same unconventional weapon to achieve those goals.

[@jonathanhaskett7614]

I am still confused IS ASSASSINS CREED ODYSSEY CANNON?

[@Chronic_Reaper]

Super Saiyan no

[@jonathanhaskett7614]

@@Chronic_Reaperthank god

[@PRWarrior1986]

It is. It's a sequel to origins modern day wise

[@mohammadzohirulislam8883]

its called Odyssey : Mercenary's Adventure on Ancient Greece

[@PRWarrior1986]

It is CANON! Doesnt anyone follow the games?! I guess I am the only true fan here among morons.