Legacy Toptier Viable Again? (lmao) - BR Changes April 2024

[@smigoltime]

Spitfire Mk 24 vs MiG-15 and Sabre A5, clash of the titans

[@deathmisser85]

So glad I got the Italian one so gonna use that for grinding now

[@JorgingMyShit]

corsair vs mig-15 soon

[@MrKumi]

Bro props to gaijin for the decompression tho

[@mirekspodmonopolowego9016]

​@@MrKumi they just moved the compression lower

[@alkatraz9514]

@@MrKumi What decompression? They literally just compressed 7.0 to the point where 262's are going to be even more useless than they already are.

[@duncanmcgee13]

Ah we're getting the "if WWII continued 2-3 more years" matchmaker

[@jbeverley67]

Finna be doing cobras in my mk24 just to survive 🙏.

[@Hadgerz]

Playerbase: Gaijin, please do something about the compression! Gaijin, smiling: 'what was that? You think the Mk24 spit needs to see sabre and mig15? why didn't you say so sooner?'

[@zakirbakar3540]

Saw these changes and stopped edging

[@DEFYN]

Start gooning brother

[@Chevalmuffin]

Exploded immediatly

[@ok.4248]

@@DEFYN must i be jelqing?

[@rfiuwwinlye7453]

Dont forget to sigma looks maxing only in ohio broda

[@viniciusalves6365]

@@DEFYN What program you use to record an edit?

[@GeneralLee2000]

Hmm, I wonder what could solve all these planes not performing well? 😇

[@sekutard5157]

what

[@MacWithGun]

Decompression🗿

[@GeneralLee2000]

@@sekutard5157 moving planes UP instead of shoving stuff down

[@martinwellhoefer9159]

Interceptor airspawn for the me 262 a1a. Even with the airspawn, it would still be shit, but at least its something.

[@Bandit4557]

@@sekutard5157decompression you brainless grub

[@loicalex]

CL13's - F86 - mig 15 - mig 17 downtiered. Super Mystere B2 - F86F40 - FJ4B - J29F - Shenyang not downtiered. Admins just throwing shit at the wall see whether it sticks

[@benbased7740]

I think gaijin just forgets about minor nation vehicles all the time lmao

[@firestarteronyoutube5542]

you missed the Hunter F.1 lol

[@angryburg]

It is an early version, there's always some things added later on

[@mayonotes9849]

@@angryburg Doesn't change the fact that this is one of the shittiest BR changes they're proposing.

[@angryburg]

@@mayonotes9849 I think they are quite decent, besides MiG-15 going down. Decompression is a much better solution, but we will not see that anytime soon. And the fact that snail acknowledges problems with subsonic jets gives a bit of hope

[@yaodai2459]

Mig15bis-ish: "Today I will get a Me262A as main dish and a Spitfire MK24 as snack."

[@lucasdevries5131]

F-104A: “Waiter where has my appetizer gone?”

[@Xiphactinus]

1:45 Yugoslav camos on 9.0 jets, plus custom blue afterburners, was 2016/17 in a nutshell.

[@AlexVanChezlaw]

Definitely

[@bobo-_-]

still wondering why there are 0 yugoslav skins in this game

[@adoplwt]

And why they didn’t change br of G91Y or YS? It’s just straight up cringe those planes were competitive in 2020 which means - 4 years ago wtf?

[@TheFirstOfMany219]

idk about the y's (i dont fly them) but the fact that the sabers would be below the g91 pre serie and r/1 is insane

[@peachok3564]

they simply forgot about this plane because no one flies it and it does not fall into the server statistics, according to which they make changes

[@Creamin_All_Offensive]

​@@peachok3564 hahaha, i fly it. I enjoy it. Guy in a A-10, F-5, SU-25, Mig-21 or any other shit crying because he got clapped by aim-9b, 30mms and a fckn subsonic plane.

[@peachok3564]

@@Creamin_All_Offensive cool story bro... then you woke up and got an all-aspect missile in the face

[@alterego2421]

​@@peachok3564i might just spaming it with 0 to 100 kd xD

[@Jaeger_89]

AMX to 10.7 whilst F-5C is 10.3 makes ZERO sense. But anything goes to protect the little F-104 A/C babies so they can continue stomping subsonics unopposed. At least I still have the Ayit to wipe the floor with them...

[@greeny2478]

Doing my duty as an ayit clapping star cheeks o7

[@pedromedeiros4955]

Mig-15s and sabres are going to see Mk24 in those br changes, that means they will be even lower br in the future considering the average player base will probably end up turn fighting said mk24s.

[@hubril7921]

F4U-4B vs MiG-15 historical MM when

[@pedromedeiros4955]

@@hubril7921 or P-51Ds vs Me-262 when?

[@gaijin2162]

This game truly is 100% too compressed now, wherever they put a plane itll be a problem, decompression is the ONLY this this game needs now and it needs it quickly, even a small amount of decompression would be greatly beneficial.

[@Creamin_All_Offensive]

"The decompression is only thing this game ne-" Italy: 💀

[@ChannelMiner]

Can't wait to get my revenge on the su-11s in downtier games.

[@TinyBearTim]

Gaijin try not to power creep the 262 123s and the 229 challenge : impossible

[@GG-ir1hw]

They already did when they allowed the Soviets to have Yak 23 and yanks their F-89s at that tier for years already. Russian players so Down syndrome that even in the most over powered vehicles imaginable they still do awful so the stats based balance system turns a blind eye.

[@goodreishun5173]

Gaijin: 12.7 is not needed *a few mounths later* Actually, MiG15 having same BR as Me262-C2b is absolutely justified What's next? F-18A at 12.3?

[@shahramtondkarmobarakie1824]

i mean F-15 has lower br than su-27 already, so not impossible to have hornet below it either, knowing gaijin and american top tier playerbase or as i like to call it, premiumbase

[@bobwang2837]

Me 262 c2b and R2Y2 are now the same br with A5 sabre, fantastic.

[@TheDougsSB]

so easy to fix compression, literally just have a max up tier of the decimal battle rating above, so 9.3s can max face 9.7 at a max up tier and a 9.0 full down tier. Obviously some aircraft will need moving around with this system but its such an easy change, but gaijin being gaijin, they are just unfamiliar with good changes.

[@quan-uo5ws]

Even a 0.7 max uptier would be very good

[@DaisiesTC]

@@quan-uo5ws 0.7 is much more realistic. I can see gaijin maybe considering that. They would definitely never do 0.3 if they refuse to even raise the maximum BR by more than 0.3 with the introduction of next gen fighters lmfao.

[@wolfgangkolber381]

I'd worry also with only +- .3 if the variety of vehicles in matches might be too little.

[@DaisiesTC]

@@wolfgangkolber381 That's true. Some BR brackets would really suffer from 0.3 Best solution is to raise the maximum BR by at 1.0 to give room for gaijin to actually adjust things without making shitty compromises that don't actually fix anything. Changing disparity to 0.7 would be an easier solution since Gaijin wouldn't have to do blanket BR adjustments. Pretty much everything (that isn't severely undertiered/overtiered to begin with) can stay where its at.

[@fate3071]

We should have BR 14 and decompress all of the jets ​@@DaisiesTC

[@nikoloso]

oh man i am going to have so much fun with the Sabre F-2 at 8.7. it was already super fun in a downtier and this change is just gonna make it fun all the time

[@Phoenix1.s]

not good enough must bring f15 to 2.7 because no hmd 1!1!1!1!

[@Cloud_Stratus]

It's been pretty obvious for years now that Gaijin simply doesn't give a shit about prop planes.

[@superknightlol]

im just happy to see cl,13 mk6 going down a br, that thing was my go to for grinding back in the day when it was 9.7, it was very good due to its roll rate,accelaration and turn rate especially against a-7D spam back then. With the fuel slider changes, i think i can finally bring it out again.

[@eb3yr]

I think on a plus side the Scimitar will be in a bit more reasonable of a spot. Its ability to see supersonics and 30G missiles hasn't changed, but it's a bit less of a speed demon for older 8.7 subsonics, especially with how the fuel slider benefitted it.

[@varesin2978]

Maan, can't wait to play the CL-13B Mk.6 at 9.0. There is a saying "like fish in the water", and let me tell you, there should be one saying "Like CL-13B Mk.6 in the air", it feels so nice to fly. Also, recently I had some fun in Me 262 A-1, but I guess not anymore :V

[@thatoneguy1741]

I’m just about to purchase this thing so it’s a welcome surprise

[@kerotomas1]

Sure but wtf is the Mig-17 and Lim5P doing at 8.7 now? Or the Mig-15 at 8.3-8.0?

[@quan-uo5ws]

Mig-17 is litterally a fatter mig-15 bis its perfectly fine at 8.7. It was almost unusable at 9.0.

[@zer0asanumber]

​​@@quan-uo5wsI'm sorry but that is a massive skill issue... the mig 17 is basically a mig 15 bis without its weaknesses it was perfectly fine at 9.0.

[@DaisiesTC]

@@quan-uo5ws Bro what, Mig 17 was a fucking menace when it was introduced lmfao. It's substantially better than the Mig 15bis.

[@henryatkinson1479]

Why half of the MiG-17s move and half dont is beyond me.

[@martinwellhoefer9159]

I just hope that i face less supersonics in my mig 15 and lim5p after these changes, but i think ill just quit playing the me 262 entirely, its already an extremely sad plane at 7.0

[@jaek_898]

I'm gonna miss gaming on 8.0 lobbies in my fat MiG-19

[@SotGravarg]

I wish J29F would be going to 8.7 too.

[@onezerotwo]

be me, 4:1 in the Spit Mk.24: “Yes. Bring them to me. I wish to see if any can equal my power.”

[@reinbeers5322]

Woohoo 262 vs Korean War era jets!

[@Rynnakkosampyla]

I was thinking of unlocking the meteors, if these changes go through. Probably shouldn’t bother

[@RyzawaVT]

gotta love the compression 🙂 exactly what we need

[@ZeePanzer]

The best part was stock R60Ms for the 21Bis

[@calebswanson7012]

F9f-8 cougar needs either 8.0 or for supersonics to move up .3. it is way too slow and losses way too much energy to have a hope against them if they have half a brain

[@ollilaine6763]

Also the FJ-4B and A-4B are 8.7. They literally just don't move unpopular planes. A-4H is 8.3 even though it is better than the A-4B. BRs just don't make any sense in the game.

[@vishakhanshivaneshan8740]

as a cl 13 main who fought against a 10 wit no flares i see this as an absolut win

[@trentinocerra3346]

How about they make a more specific decimal breakdown in BR etc. as opposed to just having just having .0, .3, and .7 change it to a .0, .2, .4, .6, and .8 format and this would completely fix the compression of nearly everything if implemented correctly

[@Frost_x_NB]

They need to make a .5 br to widen out the br ranges. I really think this will help compression across the whole game. Why is no one else asking for this. The game needs this.

[@ODST_Parker]

As I'm currently resuming my Italy/Hungary grind, these changes are insane. I spaded the MiG-15bis, and it's now my favorite jet in that BR range. It does not need to be 8.3, getting 7.7 down-tiers was sad enough. The MiG-17PF will now replace it as 8.7, so now 7.7 will get stomped by the same thing but better. The AMX going to 10.7, right as I'm finally researching it. What a surprise. Italy gets a good subsonic attacker, and it's pretty quickly moved up into 11.7 up-tiers and out of the 10.3 ground lineup that it greatly supported. Guess KF41 fans will be happy to have it available.

[@Sky_EggYT]

I don’t really like many of these changes. Also we need to find who decided to put the M18 at 6.0

[@cl3matis]

to be fair, it did get a massive buff to engine power a few days ago. crazy fast now

[@dhmhtrhs.]

ong they keep pushing every vehicle from 5.3-7 to 6.0 and up

[@kiki7170]

German mains brother. The answer is just that simple

[@quan-uo5ws]

@@cl3matis Yeah its not that bad, atleast it didint go up in br and nerfed at the same time like some other american tanks

[@DaisiesTC]

5.7 gets uptiered every game anyways so doesnt really matter much

[@margay34]

Me a hunter main excited about the possibility of hunter domination once again… but the snail hates UK tech tree for some reason

[@Villicy]

Where is the Venom in all of this? :o

[@sparkling925]

do people even play that thing enough to influence statistics?

[@no1n]

I've actually enjoyed the IIIC, even on 10.3 with no flares

[@derletztecenturioxd6866]

Could you try the d4y2 from the japanese tech tree ? It´s very maneuverable, got decent speed and air to air rockets

[@bencebarta6918]

When are the changes going live exactly?

[@justushett152]

gotta love the vatour still only being one br bracket below the F104 ;-;

[@k9mo976]

mig 15 seeing 7.0 lmaoo

[@Frosty_43]

Plz play the spitfire mk24 or mk22

[@TheNicestPig]

F-86F-30 never became unviable, it still kicks hard i love it so much aahhhhhh 💦

[@deaddog9092]

Finally maybe I won’t die in 3 seconds with the Mirage IIIC

[@Revelationsvidya]

me-262 vs a-5 sabre is crazy

[@erviplayer]

Could you play the tech tree draken it seems to havr the old flightmodel (also i just want to know should i pick the draken or the viggen after the mig21 which im definetly not getting it because its finnish) im not sure of the flightmodel since i have not seen it but testflying it i got it into an unrecoverable stall in my first try and just way different to the premium

[@piecemakernoalias1018]

This is disgusting...I’m starting to see the BR system as a whole as completely overburdened, outdated, and deranged. All these bandaids are ripping off so quickly it’s like they were never even there. Something needs to change...in an ideal world maybe changing the max absolute BR uptier/downtier to 0.5 instead of 1.0 would do something but at this point I doubt it.

[@manoletomol]

gaijing: im coooooompressing

[@tsd_ju7084]

On today's episode of *_Bottom Gear:_* The Mk.24 Spitfire is so OP, Gaijin had to reschedule the Korean war to 1948, DEFYN finds out the truth about Bob's uncle and realizes that it's actually his mother, while I patiently await the day when War Thunder finally decompresses to the degree that I can expand my lungs again ... and gasp ... fo-r ss-s-ome . . . _o-xxhhh_ . . .

[@tsd_ju7084]

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[@saltycracker2344]

It's funny how instead of good planes going up, they are bringing bad planes down. For newer players this might not sound like much until you will see an F104A from the window of your bf109.

[@aceofthunder9868]

F104a at 10.3 is still fastest plane in the lobby

[@Ace-rp7vr]

How does the CL-13 MK4 a higher BR then the Mk5 and 6? Cause italy suffers

[@Tuhrue]

The solution was so simple, but this is gaijin, so what can I say

[@adoplwt]

Old good times will return?

[@kurnass2000]

Why is the b29 not 6.7 or 7.0 and tu-4 7.3? It’s not hard gajin

[@Nitpick-zh8ky]

I thought by the plane you first selected you were going to play the f2 sabre :( but can you make a video on the f-86f-2 sabre now that's its going down day 18

[@Bobspineable]

I mean, these changes did make it accurate to legacy top tier as 262s did fight f-86s and MiG-15 in the early days of the game. In fact I even think they were the same BR back then.

[@hughmungus5033]

I hit that range of top tier right before they released the F-100 and Mig-19.

[@colemurphy2063]

Mystere IIs and Vautours: Am I a joke to you?

[@crash09er]

All these changes in this BR range and nothing for Sweden Rank 6? Love facing all aspect missiles with no speed, acceleration, turn radius or countermeasures.

[@ItsPolarHere]

Sussy era of warthunder br changes?? ( Love your videos Defyn!

[@Asspiss100]

Warthunder would greatly benefit from paying DEFYN to be an "independent" consultant for the game. Maybe not for realism (we all know they threw that out the window years ago), but for balance/ player interaction. The only thing that seems to get anywhere currently is organized mass review bombing... that could be changed for a relatively modest cost

[@Asspiss100]

** "relatively modest" meaning at a substantially lower cost to developers than losing 50% of their player base at any given time**

[@byson8628]

​@@Asspiss100couldn't agree more

[@sparkling925]

anybody with a pulse could do a better or more proactive job, but they balance them of game statistics and jets that get fucked over wont get played enough to influence said statistics

[@Astraben]

I just got done playing the F-86s to prepare a top tier grind... And they were fine... The F-35 and the F-2 were absolutely competitive... This is going to destroy ealier BRs

[@dutch24]

F-104C can carry 4 AIM-9Bs, it should be fine at 9.7. I really want it to get it's CCRP back. The F-104A is gonna need *something* to compete with 10.7, or it'll just be a MiG-21 with worse missiles and no turn rate. Overall, everything needs to be decompressed of course, we say this every BR change, Gaijin won't listen.

[@lordwintertown8284]

From what I've read abit about the the USAF F-104A it tested the AIM-9D (the china lake skin in its historical picture shows the D model missile iirc). The ROCAF F-104A could receive AIM-9J missiles which would give it a boost for 9.7. So both jets could easily go up with those changes.

[@russman3787]

Gaijin already compressed tf out of early cold war tanks, so now they need to ruin planes too instead of just raising the maximum br by 2 or 3 brs.

[@malkowitch]

I wander what kind of glue they sniff.

[@erviplayer]

I hope the j32b goes to 9.0 prob the worst 9.3 jet anyone plays also constant uptiers at 9.3 but after playing the a32a which is 9.0 i have determined that for some reason gets less uptiers altough 10.0 premiums

[@Max-ju6be]

gaijin drinking while making these changes

[@mitchel123234]

Trying to grind through the German tree was so painful. I like the LIm5, mig 15 and Mig 19, but when your lobbies are full of f104s or sex vixens, its just no fun. The games drag on cause you kill everyone else but cant catch the last couple of rats. I have two problems with these changes. Most of the planes are still going to see an ungodly amount of these 2 rat planes and the jets at a lower br are going to get smoked. Now I wish I waited to grind the german tree lol

[@WhooptieDo]

Don't you give me that hope....

[@eiteiei4063]

This is DEFYNitely epic

[@kRIEG_elf]

Do you think the MiG-21S is in the right place at 9.7?

[@Eclipse-lw4vf]

Some of these were needed. Some of these are not needed..

[@alextonev3017]

The fact that even gaijin feels the need to squeeze BRs like this just for some sembalance of balance should be their giveaway that decomression to like 16.0 is needed. Are they actually ever going to do that tho? nuh uh

[@isaacbacka8731]

Pb4y getting moved down, meanwhile b17g still chilling at 6.3

[@pair_of_fins]

I unironically do better with the MiG-15(early) than the MiG-15bis because of the planes I face in each. Getting uptiered to 9.7 matches is rough, especially in the stock bis

[@ODST1I7]

Can someone explain Gaijin's aversion to BR decompression? I can't understand why they won't add a few more tiers.

[@mahieuwim]

I would guess it's because they don't want entire matches of F-16s vs MiG-29s. Keep some variety. Major bullshit with all the planes that are in the game (and coming?), but whaddayagonnado.

[@cola-warthunder]

Meanwhile the G.91 YS staying at 9.7

[@ivanbarbancon8750]

the problem with gaiji nis that not only they absolutelyy never to open widely the BR (idk, maybe about 14.0 RN) they just also don't want to reduce the -1/+1 BR MM which is an absolute BS from them.... with both said mechanics, it is a real pain whatever you do... 2 solutions: -Open BR up to 14.0, rebalance all planes BR adequately -Remove the -1/+1 BR matchmaker

[@corsnieland2545]

I would have liked the f3h lowered to like 9.0 so it can be a bit more fun play since its a cool looking jet in my opinion

[@foedgger1339]

Nooooo! my beloved AMX! 😢 GAIJIN really hates Italy it seems.

[@PhoenYx114]

im gonna buy mig 15bis ish right after this video

[@Burgner68]

I play the MiG-15 often, and uptiers are sometimes easier than downtiers. People complain about its br when starting, and so did i. Skill issue.

[@Rawmusse]

they forgot the F84-40 on 9.0 :(

[@mew1023]

A Sabre can go from fighting me262 and f-84g in one game to fighting mig-17 and f-104 in the next. What the actual fuck, did they let an AI decide BR changes?

[@milanvnuk]

No Defyn, the solution is not moving 9.3 up same as 8.7 down. Gajin is just moulding shit with all this BR changes. This game needs to change MM from using 4 BR classes to 3 BR classes only. And from 16 players per team to 8-10 per team.

[@farmcat9873]

Games Diving quicker and quicker every update Im sure they have a parachute

[@StrEagle]

yak-38 can't turn for it's life - can't evade aim-9b

[@monkeyism06]

Oh boi, I love fighting cold war jets with my meteor. 😅

[@t2av159]

No idea why mig15bis is down to 8.3 it was fine at 8.7

[@robertvanschepdael1425]

Don't have to BR compress so much now for those smaller nations

[@Najim249]

BR Depression for newcomers to jets

[@reedworsham5643]

my highest BR plane is the yak-23, fighting F104s became so miserable that i genuinely had more fun playing it at 10.7 against F4s, F5s, and A10s.

[@lucasdevries5131]

Decompress, smaller games more rewards per kill. I don’t know how gaijin doesn’t see a solution