Was This Nagant Revolver Used By A WW2 German Assassin?

This week, we received a Russian Nagant Revolver equipped with a silencer. Was this revolver used in a plot to assassinate the "Big Three" during WW2?
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[@sambaggins2798]

It’s literally the only type of revolver that can work with a suppressor. To my knowledge no other revolver has a similar system. Some collectors have actually suppressed their Nagant revolver. Plenty of videos on KZbin of them firing along with the sound data.

[@anibalperales1008]

The Piepper revolver had the same system that sealed the gap of the Barrel anda Cylinder. With the adventage of being swing out Cylinder.

[@jefferyfite7122]

Someone once suppressed a .32 Dan Wesson revolver once, but that was done by a different method.

[@anibalperales1008]

@@jefferyfite7122 There are some modern Russian Revolveres suppresed. In Vietnam War weere some Models S&W models 10 and a model 29 suppresed For the tunnel rats.

[@keithmoore5306]

there's at least one other that was made in the 80's )i'm blanking on it's name right now!!) it was a 357 and had a removable buttstock and scope!!

[@playboyr5393]

Knights armament made a suppressed 9mm revolver for the Navy seals. A small contract for special occasions, like you don't have to pick up your brass when you're done.

[@colnagocowboy]

Intellectually i knew the Nagant revolver would be a good choice for a silenced assassin pistol. But ive never seen an example of one until today.

[@robertschumacher2707]

The Russians manufactured these for use by reconnaissance units to remove sentries or guard dogs. While NKVD members used them as well, they weren't the only users.

[@perttisalminen6357]

Also original cartridge of Nagant helps that sealing too. There was "sleeve" over the bullit and it expand against barrel and drum, when shoot.

[@colinsaliba3390]

Holster appears to be a post war polish PM63 leather holster

[@TylerSnyder305]

It certainly looks like an east German PM63 holster to me.

[@lanedexter6303]

Fascinating mystery gun! Most of us have a few old ones we wish we knew more about, but this is a dandy.👍

[@gregcozier2427]

That gun looks like it was set up for free-style target shooting. Features like fat grip, modified hammer spur, target sights and heavy barrel are all match shooting features I've seen on scores of period revolvers.

[@heissanenglishman7391]

My immediate thought as well. Looks like an MTs-4, which was "standard" target configuration for competition shooting. Problem is those were manufactured in the 50s, so they wouldn't have been captured by the Germans and reissued. I don't know much about German suppressors so I wouldn't be able to say where that one came from. I don't want to accuse it of being a fake, but I doubt it's association with the Tehran conference.

[@HairyKnuckles222]

You’re bang on the money they started out as target pistols

[@Zuludawn1]

The vintage holster matches pics of postwar East German PM63 leather flap holster.

[@roccoracer]

I have a very rare Nagant in my collection. It is a presentation nagant given to an officer named Navrotski from Verishilov in Nov 1939. (The spelling is probably wrong) It may have been awarded because of a border conflict where Nevrotski convinced the locals to fight on the Russian side and ultimately defeated the Japanese. I would love you to showcase it.

[@e-mail8580]

It’s the Nagant's 7.62x38mm cartridge that helps seal the cylinder gap. The cartridge is held completely within the case which extends, when the weapon is cocked, the cylinder will move slightly forward, into the neck of the barrel effectively creating a seal and thereby ensuring that the propellant gases are ejected through the barrel and if fitted. a suppressor. The M1895 Nagant is the only revolver that can be effectively suppressed other weapons must not be in a condition to self load if required to suppress the discharge as the gases would escape from this process hence the English Welrod is single shot, bolt actioned, manually loaded/reloaded pistol while the De Lisle carbine with a fully integrated suppressor still needed reduced subsonic ammunition to be effective.

[@sharonrigs7999]

It requires uncircumcised ammo 😂

[@edgarburlyman738]

Could you have a gas seal with a necked cartridge like a 5.7x28 revolver?

[@e-mail8580]

@@edgarburlyman738 The bullet would have to be seated within the neck of the case ie the nose of the bullet is completely within the case, you can’t see it, if you run a finger over the top of the case it’s smooth. The mechanism of the revolver would have to, on cocking, move forward sealing the cylinder gap and seating the cartridge firmly in the neck of the barrel. The Nagant was not produced as a platform for a suppressor the system was developed to increase the velocity of the cartridge by containing all the expanding gases within the barrel behind the bullet.

[@allangibson8494]

Not quite the only one but, by far, the most common gas seal revolver.

[@brianpage1886]

In the book 'Competitive Shooting' by A.A. Yur Yev (English Translation done by NRA 1973) on page 144, illustration 'A' there is a picture of this gun without the silencer. The grips and heavy barrel were added to make it easier to handle. The Soviets had quite a strong Sports program which included shooting almost every piece of equipment they had. There was a category for Revolvers. This Nagant was part of that program. Thanks for making this great video.

[@williamrigby1867]

Very interesting that you would mention that book! I was one of the individuals (links in a chain, so to speak) who got that book translated into English and published by the NRA. At the time I was a graduate student in the Department of Psychology at the University of Maryland, a former member of the U.S. Army Marksmanship Unit International Rifle Section (1967-1969), and a then current (~1972) and very active competitor in International Rifle matches here in the U.S. I had gotten a copy of the book, in its Russian edition, in the Russian language, from a friend John H. Writer. Jack Writer was one of the best shooters in the world at that time, (Olympic Silver 1968, Olympic Gold 1972, etc.) Jack had been given this book by someone on the Russian Shooting Team at some international match. At that time I was working on some psychology projects with MAJ E.J. Land USMC, who was at the time the Marksmanship Coordinator at Headquarters U.S. Marine Corp in Washington, DC. (Maj Land had been a central figure in USMC sniping during the Viet Nam war. And years later Secretary of the NRA.) I passed the Russian language edition of the Yur'Yev book on to MAJ Land who had it xeroxed, and translated into English by an inactive duty USMC Reserve Intelligence Unit. The USMC translators did a good job language-wise, but they were not familiar with the technical terminology of the shooting sport. MAJ Land passed the translation on to the NRA where it was edited by two interns, Matt ???? and Marsha Beasley ( Then a hot junior shooter and today the rifle team coach at Ole Miss). After editing "The Russian Manual" by Yur'Yev as we referred to it was published by the NRA.

[@brianpage1886]

Thank you very much for your reply. Your story is more interesting than the revolver story. Perhaps it is the makings of a future video by Legacy. I have heard of Jack Writer and have also heard very vague stories over the years about world class shooters assisting with US Army and Marine Marksmanship in various capacities during the Viet Nam Era. Your story also describes the process of how a handful of 'on the ball' servicemen and woman can make things happen. I have had the book for around 2 decades. I and my wife both shoot here at Bisley. We moved to the UK from Canada about 5 years ago an live 5 minutes from the ranges so that it would be easier to shoot. Now with climate change here in the UK, we can shoot 49 weeks a year. I dragged the book off the shelf to review my prone position last year when I was making some changes. I also have reviewed the trigger pull section and changed the position of my trigger finger after 35 years of shooting. I have learned a lot from the book. Thank you for your contribution to the sport and my personal shooting.

[@dww6546]

The Nagant revolver has been used often as silenced revolver. The gas sealing is not generated by the closure of the cylinder in the cone. The cartridge case has an „overlenght“ in relation to the cylinder. You can see the front shape of the cylinder is shorter than it seems. The cartridge enters the barrel part and closes the gap between cylinder and barrel absolutely gas proof at the moment the projectile passes this area. A lot of silenced nagants have a much shorter barrel and an eccentric silencer. Very interesting gun. Thanks for the video 😊.

[@loquat44-40]

It would be much better if you had a collector to edit your script. There are things that you are saying that do not sound correct, I was not interested enough to take mine apart to verify what you said. Yes it is an interesting revolver.

[@dww6546]

@@loquat44-40 I am a collector and own three of those revolvers. And shooting with them is really „relaxing“ because they are not really powerful. Charge your revolver with the original old cartridges and you’ll see what I meant.

[@loquat44-40]

@@dww6546 Supposedly the original black powder loads were ballistically quite similar to a 32-20. I got my hands on a few soviet WWII loads with an 80 grain bullet and those seemed to be screaming but were very inaccurate likely I think to storage deterioration. Commercial .32 S&W has almost no kick and badly bulges the cases. I have not yet tried 32 H&H mag and will not try .327 mag.

[@e-mail8580]

Amumition is factory produces and if you can obtain some, Fiocchi ammunition for example you find the revolver a pleasure to shoot . In the UK we who shoot are severely curtailed by restrictive laws and a great lack of suitable ammunition may I make a plea to the importers of Fiocchi to have it available to Briton’s of there’re whole range of there fine historical cartridges in, England.still has actively pistol and historic rifle round please provided with heigh quality factory ammunition in all the range of historic ammunition.

[@loquat44-40]

@@e-mail8580 I have not checked the Fiocchi out, but the PMC ammo IIRC was down loaded a bit. A hundred grain bullet at maybe 750 ft/sec instead of close to a 1000. 750 fps is close to what a .32 S&W is supposed to do. And there is some other ammo I tried and it extremely underloaded. For those in the UK, my heartfelt sympathy for your plight. We 200 years ago fought a serious war to get rid of the same scum that rule the current UK. My local county government have pledged to support our 2nd amendment and the sheriff says he encourages people to shoot and kill home invaders. At the moment I have put my nagant and other fun guns away as I prepared for what may be some very bad things that may come. I have to make sure I have decent gardens and what is needed for self defense.

[@Joe3pops]

I heard from other sources that this boot camp in Missouri was a pretty harsh place for field work. Nicknamed Lethal Wood, or something like that.

[@williamrigby1867]

Fort Lost in the Woods --- Had Basic Training and AIT there 1966

[@charleskenny8180]

You must read the book “Night of the Assassins by Howard Blum. Great book about the events that happened and who was involved from the Americans, British, Russians and Germans. Well written and will make you feel like you are there.

[@jbmbryant]

I absolutely love the humor here, as well as the great info!

[@mattsmith3118]

Another interesting video! Thanks Tom

[@geraldbuck5700]

Thank you love seeing these amazing weapons and history behind them one of my favorite ch 😃

[@lanceirvin7715]

Thank you, there is a vast amount I do not know about ww2 but that has narrowed because of you. Thank you.

[@vulpsturm]

That model of Nagant is a target version that the Russians made. A lot of Russian target pistols had giant grips that a shooter would customize to their hand.

[@bryanmartin2271]

I love the hard work you put into the videos very informative and well said

[@Hidalguense]

Love the history, thanks

[@rappers5719]

Was the silencer adapter, made by a plumber? P.S. Well presented and hardly any sarcasm. 😉

[@MrPh30]

Nkvd used suppressed Nagant revolvere from earlier , do they were around . Maybe the Ausland Dienst picked it up during a check og seized guns .

[@simonjones6128]

Good job Tom

[@benschwader4537]

thank you for posting to KZbin.

[@ralphcurran8147]

Great content, thank u

[@adbp473]

Absolutely agree this story is ripe for the Mark Felton treatment. I'll let him know. Great video btw.

[@delbertstringbreaker7686]

Over to you, Dr Felton!

[@AndrewTPewPew]

Great video!

[@electron4784]

Sounds very interesting BIG thanks!

[@CH3TN1K313]

All that is, is a Soviet Nagant BraMit, with "BraMit" meaning "Brothers Mitin", who were the designers, with "Bra" being the begining of the word for brother in Russian, and "Mit" being the first few etters of Mitin. They Soviets also issued a PPD-40 BraMit, a 7.62 Tokarev silenced SMG and a 7.62x54R Mosin-Nagant M91 with BraMit silencer sniper rifle.

[@scottallpress3818]

Be good to hear your opinion on what the proofing process would have been on a captured gun - for example they went back to an armoury and tested to a certain level then given the ok ?

[@thomaswhiteman4261]

Yes, captured weapons were checked out at a German armory and sometimes modified to 9mm, etc

[@Mack5749]

Enjoyed Thank you

[@bernardsummers9050]

Am I mistaken, or do the two naval officers (at timestamp 8.01, top right) look like have been added in later?

[@sammartinez8084]

Great show and thanks for the info 👍👍👍👍👍😁👌👌👌👌👌💯

[@Nick_B_Bad]

Love Mark Felton’s videos! Oh and Legacy’s too!! 😂😂 I’m still looking for a legendary Waffenamt marked TT33 9mm conversion.

[@jdelgado067605]

Great job thanks

[@culshie]

I cannot remember where I saw it but I read somewhere that these Silenced Nagant's were favoured by the N.K.V.D. liquidation squads, in particular at the site of the Katyn Woods massacre.

[@sharonrigs7999]

Nope. Not the M1895 Nagant. .25acp baby Brownings were vastly preferred due to absence of recoil and light trigger pull. To achieve the gas seal, the Nagant requires a trigger pull that is better suited to an adult chimp. Even the SA pull is heavier than any SA trigger should be.

[@fritz7th77thanddadjust8]

The Russians used ppks, for the Katyn massacres to throw suspicion on the germans

[@agentmueller]

@@sharonrigs7999Yeah they loved using .25’s for lined up executions. No where near as loud (although they will surprise you) and a bullet is a bullet when it’s point blank to your skull. Sick stuff, but fascinating history. The NKVD arguably were some of the most evil units in all of the European theatre war, eclipsing the nazis.

[@thomasmintz913]

Gun was made by tula and you should have taken off the left side wood grip from the metal panel to find out the year of the gun

[@shawnadams1965]

He said its not his gun so out of respect for the owner he probably didn't feel like taking a screwdriver to it. The one side looks like it was fallng off to begin with.

[@cleondubois1270]

Very Interesting ! Another enigma shrouded in mystery. History is where you find it.

[@drapedup76]

Cmon how are you not going to screw the silencer on 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@zackzittel7683]

It’ll get demonetized. Seriously.

[@mrhamburger6936]

I had a girlfriend years ago her father was a WWII veteran he was in the army as a military police he was in Iran at the time of this conference and I remember him saying that security was very high he had pictures of President Roosevelt sitting in a Jeep had pictures of Roosevelt Churchill and Stalin together he'd never mention there was assassination attempt he had a lot of other souvenirs from that time in Iran

[@jkharris488]

Legacy, It's not 9mm, it's 7.62 Nagant. Jess1344

[@samuelcarstens6152]

Indeed. .312 not .355

[@bobjohnston8316]

Probably someone into genealogy and familiar with all the databases out there could figure out who Oscar was and trace his military record. A paid subscription website called Fold3 has a ton of US military personnel records uploaded. How they get access to the data I don’t know (FOI act?) but I had very little difficulty in finding Navy personnel records for WW2.

[@nickfranklin1867]

What an interesting gun, and an interesting story!

[@hankwilliams-hx9ww]

Remember you're the one who always says by the gun; not the story.

[@steveshoemaker6347]

Strange looking Gun for sure.....Thanks Tom..... Old F-4 Phantom 2 pilot Shoe🇺🇸

[@cplbullet]

Nice story of a cool piece of history.

[@Cokehead_Drug_Addict_Zelensky]

The guy on the right at 20:32 is a Texas National Guard/36th Infantry Division "T-Patcher". My great uncle from Texas was in this unit, as well.

[@marcschoenfeld]

your pictures of the big 3 leaders was from Yalta in 1945. Tehran was in 1943 and Roosevelt was in much better health.

[@elliotbradley]

Lol @ 21:20 "...don't tell anybody."

[@oni_goroshi]

My grandfather was a WW2 vet. He never really told me about his service, but he did claim he was a mechanic in the Army Air Corps. I know thats a blatant lie because he wasnt mechanically inclined at all. Anyways, I do know he was stationed at Fort Leonard Wood and before he died he gave me a silver senior pilot wing pin. Why would a mechanic have a senior pilot pin? After he died I was going through some of his things and came across that green patch with the red scimitar on it. I also remember him teaching me some hand to hand combat techniques when I was a young kid because I was into martial arts. Years later, in my mid 20s, I realized what he taught me was the same stuff Rex Applegate taught the OSS. Its also kinda strange that he knew how to pack a parachute. Now I'm wondering what the hell he really did!

[@akatripclaymore.9679]

A completely sealed cartridge, since it slid into the barrel is perfect for suppression.

[@marciocarvalho8975]

The word Comandos means "Comandos Autónomos" that means that force is autónomous from the General Comand! They decide wen and where and how to interview! One of the Best elite forces in the world Comandos Portugueses

[@AthensAtWork]

Great video, few examples of silenced Nagants exist today, that's probably one of the best and certainly unique examples. The history of that weapon has to be fascinating

[@RedHuntsman]

The horror of a disabled silencer. That is when you use the boating accident excuse rather than disable it.

[@jamalwilburn228]

Should've invited Mark Felton to narate the video

[@MajorT0m]

No he's a bawbag.

[@undeadbrosm41a39]

That is cool

[@A.M317]

The holster the Nagant revolver came with, looks like a PM63-RAK holster.

[@orr4sale]

The pistol could be real, but the German marking are fake. The Germans didn't WaA mark weapons that they didn't manufacture. They would use a German rework mark HzA on those guns.

[@Gr8thxAlot]

And Operation Long Jump was most likely a fabrication too. This is probably a very rare capture, but that is it.

[@flickthenick]

Excellent reverse and yes was aware of the Negant with the sliding cylinder. Shame about the moderator being non functional , any reasons for this?

[@Nayr72]

It would need a federal tax stamp and to be registered. Easier to sell and tremsfer to a new buyer of the suppressor is a "replica"

[@flickthenick]

@@Nayr72 ah yes thanks, I'd heard that moderators in the US were not so easy to acquire. Here in the UK they're more or less just granted, quiet is good!

[@KrisT0f.]

bro i thought im gonna see some stubby mosin nagant lmao my eyes didnt read it well

[@Stevarooni]

Yeah, took a while for me to notice the lack of "Mosin". 😉

[@seanokeefe703]

Fantastic

[@sm70911]

The grip details - thats german thinking - I'd bet Skorzany had his own gun techs

[@armeswilli01]

Interessant

[@janemauer51]

Where did the pictures of German soldiers with camels come from So much for “ spy “ film with silenced revolvers

[@alanclontz1783]

It might be for training with the German Prof mark. I'm sure you would get a clean one if you were in the field

[@ronaldbyrne3320]

Riveting story. Now I’m all curious and have to find out more about the assassination plot.

[@brianwilhelm37]

Buy the gun, not the story. This guy is a carnival barker and known to sell firearms that have been altered to sell for more money.

[@JayWilkins-zh7fx]

Only revolver that can be silenced well untill later this year when that new bullpup 357 concealed cylender revolver comes out which will be the secone silencer compatible revolver ever made

[@gregcrockett2297]

That Nagant is a Soviet MTs-4 (МЦ-4), first model target revolver. The Mts-4 series of sporting revolvers were developed in the mid to late 1950's. They were made using heavily modified surplus military M.95 revolvers. The Nazi markings are clearly fake.

[@fieldkitchen]

I wonder if the silencer is made from a repurposed scope body.

[@marciocarvalho8975]

At that time there were no Comandos! Maibe an elite force but, the term Comandos started in Portugal at the Ultramar War! What was and still exist Comandos? Well, a elite force created in Portugal, that having so much sucsses at they ''re missions they became autónomous from superior orders! The point is, at that time there were no Comandos

[@loquat44-40]

I thought that Komandos was used in one of the Boer x anglo wars of the later 19th century. Google: From the perspective of the early modern era the word stems from the Dutch word kommando, which translates as "a command or order" and also roughly to "mobile infantry regiment". This term originally referred to units of Boer mounted infantry, who fought during the Xhosa Wars and the First and Second Boer Wars. By the way I have met former portuguese commandos back in the 1970's

[@worldtraveler930]

Why would anyone mutilate such a Great piece of history?!? 😥

[@howardoller443]

Why was the silencer "disabled"?

[@mrhamburger6936]

That pistol nagant started life out as a target pistol the grips and the rear sight you should maybe check the history of these pistol the secret is the gas seal it's the cartridge when the cylinder moves forward the cartridge is it the forcing cone that creates the gas

[@the_last_rangefinder_society]

Wonder if the Germans evaluated allied kit when captured and would proof it to demonstrate it safe to test. Sounds like the kind of bureaucracy they delighted in even later in the war despite the rationalisation of Albert Speer et al. Wonder just how available that ammo would be in Germany also…..Nagant seems a fascinating design! Was it any good?

[@allangibson8494]

The Germans extensively tested captured equipment (resulting in such weirdness as a DB605 engined Spitfire). The Colt M1911 (Konigsberg M1914) was an alternative standard issue pistol for the Wehrmacht as another example.

[@mikehill4329]

Three months ago was April 1st right?

[@PigSticker-wm2tq]

I've always thought suppressed nagant revolvers are super cool.

[@asintonic]

16:09 lmaoooo hilarious

[@The762nato]

NEED TO ASK A HIGH END RUSSIAN COLLECTOR IN RUSSIA . As Ian at Forgotten Weapons to see if he has any Russian contacts .

Stalling Stalin

[@philipargo]

Thumbnail looks like Gene Raeburn and Howdy Doody had a baby.

[@sasquatch907]

I have one.

[@HUTZELMUTZEL]

six parachuters jump outside teheran?' its not the job of Fallschirmjäger can it be that this done by Brandenburger and why the plane dont landed - Otto Skorzeny (former technical officier) had never done a jump course the only operation he has done is Benito Musselini but their is non done any shoot

[@petermcelroy4307]

Well the person who picked it up did it for the money they make not the history

[@jamesalfredstrong8106]

If I saw the assassin I'd be very scared but I'd probably have enough time to compliment his very exceptional revolver before I get hit knock on wood 🤔

[@wadeproctor1214]

As always enjoyed your video an it made me wonder if the first team was captured who got their weapons 🤔

[@erikjohnson29]

Missed a good Stalin joke there

[@danielapel1976]

Bramit device. The called it" nkwd Sonderration.

[@sharonrigs7999]

A chemical or biological agent would have been a better choice for an attempt on the Big 3. Why would you go through the trouble of using a not great Soviet pistol just to stamp the Van Halen logo everywhere! ;)

[@johnblood3731]

Any gun mfg. Could have made a gun to shoot the Russian bullet. Shooting the Russian bullet in a ppk for instance would have left the casing behind also as further proof of the Russian gunman.

[@Nick_B_Bad]

😂

[@zackzittel7683]

You could never get a PPK to fire 7..62 nagant. The nagant uses a 38mm case, the PPK used a 17mm case it could never feed a cartridge of that length (never mind the fact that rimmed, straight walled cartridges are especially difficult) and the cases fired from a semi auto have telltale marks left behind.

[@zackzittel7683]

The nagant isn’t the only revolver that’s suppress-able there’s the OTS-38 the QSPR, the Roke arms 357 revolver and other obscure examples. The us even suppressed like 200 38’s for the tunnels in Vietnam. Between this and the goof on the obviously not a 9mm revolver it makes me question the rest of the story. Looks like a nagant someone tried to turn into a target pistol. Look at the rear sight and the massive grip, an assassin wouldn’t just shoot Olympian if trying to make a headshot, and he’s probably use a much easier suppress-able/concealable automatic

[@user-oc9on3ul5t]

Nice you call in Mark Felton .. one of my prefered historian about WW2 😀

[@alanrogs3990]

Ran with a short A

[@williamrigby1867]

@brianpage1886 Very interesting that you would mention that book! I was one of the individuals (links in a chain, so to speak) who got that book translated into English and published by the NRA. At the time I was a graduate student in the Department of Psychology at the University of Maryland, a former member of the U.S. Army Marksmanship Unit International Rifle Section (1967-1969), and a then current (~1972) and very active competitor in International Rifle matches here in the U.S. I had gotten a copy of the book, in its Russian edition, in the Russian language, from a friend John H. Writer. Jack Writer was one of the best shooters in the world at that time, (Olympic Silver 1968, Olympic Gold 1972, etc.) Jack had been given this book by someone on the Russian Shooting Team at some international match. At that time I was working on some psychology projects with MAJ E.J. Land USMC, who was at the time the Marksmanship Coordinator at Headquarters U.S. Marine Corp in Washington, DC. (Maj Land had been a central figure in USMC sniping during the Viet Nam war. And years later Secretary of the NRA.) I passed the Russian language edition of the Yur'Yev book on to MAJ Land who had it xeroxed, and translated into English by an inactive duty USMC Reserve Intelligence Unit. The USMC translators did a good job language-wise, but they were not familiar with the technical terminology of the shooting sport. MAJ Land passed the translation on to the NRA where it was edited by two interns, Matt ???? and Marsha Beasley ( Then a hot junior shooter and today the rifle team coach at Ole Miss). After editing "The Russian Manual" by Yur'Yev as we referred to it was published by the NRA.

[@AdvancedUSA]

Seldom do you find valuable and ugly describing something - this gun fits.

[@brummbar15cm]

people of yt, what is your favorite ww1/ww2 pistol? mine is the luger p08

[@mittenmunster4900]

“Tay-ran”

[@poppasquat8483]

That’s a МЦ-4 Model 1 target revolver. These weren’t made until the 1950’s, making the Waffen marks fake

[@Ray-tg1sj]

I think you made a mistake. It wasn't the western powers that were Stalin in '43, it was the Soviets that were Stalin

[@raymondtonns2521]

thanks , a interesting story, i think Skorsazey is lying ,Mark Felton knows all

[@strahinjamilosevic1024]

Plot twist: Oscar was a German spy in US army.