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[@chrism1966]

Dude what is wrong with these people?? If a customer doesn’t like your product you don’t tell them they’re wrong…

[@lordadorable1140]

They are people who grew up believing that the world was their oyster and they could never be wrong

[@Falicon]

Cause they want you to leave. They'll try and grab younger players who haven't known anything prior. So tell your little brothers and sisters and if you're a parent do the same. We can't replace quality or engaging gaming with 'money grabs'.

[@Crazy_Gamer_OG]

@@lordadorable1140 They are the generation who grew up earning Participation Trophies, which in turn gave them inflated egos & narcissistic personality traits.

[@KRAFTWERK2K6]

Seriously, how many times do we have to teach this lesson to these out of touch Devs who think their farts smell like roses?

What is wrong with them? They are wrong kind of people. They are office worker type, not service-industry type. They go there to get good salary sitting on their ass. Making a product is an "accidental" byproduct of them existing there.

[@trigovai6258]

Emil is the core problem with Bethesda's dull writing. William Shen was able to override him on some cases and create cool things like Far Harbor and Nick Valentine, but he left.

[@Elenrai]

It has gotten so bad Elder Scrolls online is a better replacement!

[@e11-f2l]

Shen leaving was confirmation that Bethesda kill creativity within their studio

[@Crazy_Gamer_OG]

The actual talent always leaves or gets fired because their work is so expensive to make & the big heads in charge don't care about making quality products for a target audience anymore. Rather, they want to spend as little as possible on something made to target as big an audience as possible to maximize returns. In the end, the product becomes stale bread & no one wants it. It's become a self-fulfilling prophecy at this point.

[@rickinielsen1]

No, it is much deeper than just Emil. The fact that the game studio renowned for their detailed and unique world building and exploration decides to make a game devoid of detailed and unique world building to explore, speaks volumes about the incompetence throughout...

[@TheGallantDrake]

​@@rickinielsen1Emil is the symptom, imo

[@cdeford2]

Todd is right: empty space is not boring. What's boring is Starfield's version of empty space. Our own solar system has a 22km high mountain, sub-surface oceans, active volcanos, sulphuric acid rain and a thousand other things. Starfield has rocks.

[@traezin]

That same level of depth that should’ve been implemented here applies to Helldivers as well. Planets largely being flat with slight hills and bodies of water/craters only there to serve as hazards makes the gameplay variety in planets purely(and barely) a skybox/flora thing. Great comment and I want more people to acknowledge the sad state of level design here. I can walk out to any forest and engage with more of any one aspect at play than what’s within either of those games 😢… helldivers might have a bit more enemies than a forest tho 😳 but a squirrel would be more engaging than anything in starfield

[@AnEyeRacky]

​@@traezin how you gonna compare a Bethesda game like this to a PVE game like Helldivers...

[@traezin]

@@AnEyeRacky exactly how I did, through the level design. How are you gonna read all that, and ask a question which you could’ve answered had you of actually read and interpreted exactly what I conveyed by how I said it. Maybe read twice(they’re also both pve games✊🏽). A lack of good level design was the entire critique but all I did was make objective statements/observations about both games. If I hurt your feelings don’t worry I’m sure helldivers is fun with the most recent update, but that doesn’t change its ‘pseudo’ variety.

[@ravenroc1784]

But rocks are friends. Ask Ludo.

[@matthewcicolini2700]

@@traezinbro helldivers looks beautiful you sound stupid 😂 literally a million times more unique than starfields planets funny part is they are still adding more biomes, animals (data mind) and they have increased map size. Also your comparison is honestly trash arrowhead did more with less and are bringing the more to the table

[@bulkvanderhuge9006]

Emil Pagliarulo is one of the worst things to happen to Bethesda. This also shows you just how delusional Game Davs (like UBISOFT et al) have gotten. If their game does poorly, it's not THEIR fault for making a bad game, It's the GAMERS FAULTS for being "Too Entitled"

[@1vaultdweller]

Todd Howard is the problem. He is a world famous liar at this point

[@DarthB1ggles]

First time I ever heard Emil speak I got off-vibes but not enough to condemn anyone. Now it's so clear he's just all blather. Has no idea what he's talking about but is halfway convincing to the unlearned ear at sounding like he knows anything about what he's doing.

[@joshuacr]

Pretty much this. They tell us if we don't like it to go away so we go away and then they complain that we ignored them.

[@Kenny-yl9pc]

And our boi Toad Howard is the issue

[@Kenny-yl9pc]

I would even argue that he is the main issue because he is the leader, he has the ultimate responsibility for everything, and when you hear him talking about their "success" with Starfield...man no wonder they are phuking everything up...Oh boy lets wait and see what happens with TES6...nothing good I tell ya

[@angryglock]

A dozen handcrafted, interesting planets is better than 1000 empty ones.

[@TheGallantDrake]

Play Outer Wilds ;)

[@Gh0stFace420]

@@TheGallantDrakeLMFAOOO that game is just as trash 😂😂😂😂😂🤣👉🏽

[@DanielSan1776]

bingo game shouldve had 4 solar systems, 1 for each faction (UC, Freestar, Pirate), then a system everyone was fighting for Cold War between UC & Freestar, while Pirates are just open war main focus is handcrafted content can have radiant procedurally generated quests, mining, kill missions, save people etc etc for the long grind

[@t84t748748t6]

@@TheGallantDrake outer world is to smal did 1 playtrough and never looked back did every thing no need to replay

[@slimeytoad]

bro give me 3 highly detailed planets for all i care just make them interesting and polished!

[@RichSmithify]

Bethesda is done. You know a company is past the point of no return when they start believing their own bullshit and refuse to hear anything outside of their own echo chamber.

[@mwilson5449]

The crazy thing they don't understand is that the fans wouldn't bother criticizing it if they didn't want to see BGS succeed. Instead, they're setting up an us vs them mentality. They are so done.

[@arrandonbavand]

@@mwilson5449 My question is, what the hell is Microsoft doing? Do they agree with what Bethesda is saying? Based off the fact they've seemingly done nothing to change anything about the way Bethesda is doing things I would say that they do, and I fear that suggests other Microsoft products will experience the same issues, something that is extremely worrying in the advent of the Activision purchase.

[@Zorothegallade-gg7zg]

They don't just believe their own bullshit, they have set up a vicious cycle of rewarding themselves for their own bullshit.

[@babytiny5807]

@@mwilson5449 Exactly, people are only complaining because they give a shit. If Bethesda keep this up, people will stop giving a shit and instead go with the idea that they aren't worth holding hope for anymore. ES6 is worrying to say the least, but my one glimmer of hope is that the limited scope of one region will allow them to focus on what made their games fun to begin with, rather than experimenting badly with 1000 procedural planets

[@GnohmPolaeon.B.OniShartz]

This is all normal from Bethesda. Ask any morrowind fan. Bethesda are hacks who steal their ideas from better games. They have no respect for the original lore they just wring money out of them.

[@Tinywars]

That Emil at Bethesda is a huge concern. He is the reason in game quests are boring and limited. His motto is to keep it simple because he think we're dumb.

[@theanimer1]

Which is funny since modders make vastly better stories and quests than him and his team ever could lmfao.

[@detectivemadoka69420]

He *IS* TES 6 main writer and will be Fallout 5's as well. "Creation Engine 3" will power those games. I'm not joking

[@HyperKryst]

How can you even enjoy writing such stories? Is he just there for the bag or is he just dumb himself?

[@timk9270]

You can't write a character smarter than yourself

[@hibernate44]

@@detectivemadoka69420if you think the engine is the problem you’re a silly one for sure

[@boblionia]

Cyberpunk and Elden Ring didn't set a new standard for expansion packs, they returned to the standard that the majority of the gaming industry abandoned. 15 years ago it was assumed that an expansion would be at the level of Phantom Liberty or Shadow of the Erdtree, and to be fair From and CDPR have stuck to this consistently ever since.

[@strke5654]

Im not disagreeing with you I'm just young so I'm not familiar with older dlc. do you have any examples of really good DLCs that happened 15 years ago that the game industry abandoned?

[@Timbo360]

@@strke5654GTA 4’s DLC is pretty good, They are basically brand new games. Fallout 3 and New Vegas have great DLC that adds new content.

[@unafflictedgaming]

​@@strke5654 to give a Bethesda example tes 4 oblivion: the shivering isles.

[@ayoubmorjane7722]

​@@strke5654 I Am but I'm youngster myself here are some great dlc that I know. Gothic 2 night of the raven, far cry 3 blood dragon, elder scrolls Skyrim and oblivion, red dead redemption undead nightmare, fallout 3, Age of empires 2 and 3. GTA 4 ballad of gay tony and so many more. All these games are more then a decade old

[@pauperslament3467]

Cd Red sold out. Fromsoft can't hide from the Lizards forever. Buyer beware.

[@Pillock25]

10:50 "People go play the DLC yourself and form your own opinion" It kind of defeats the purpose of a reviews, whether you should waste your time and money on something.

[@nonya927]

Right! Like seriously! The biggest problem they have with this expansion is that it's way to pricey for its size they should only be asking around the $15 mark. Even if the DLC worked flawlessly (it doesn't) it's still a relatively small DLC. It's only one very quick quest line that you can get through in maybe 2 and a half hours depending on loading times (which takes forever because...Bethesda) but they are essentially asking for half the price of a newly released FULL game. Meaning the DLC should have more like 4 to 5 hours minimum of play time to make up for the price.

[@--AE--]

Idk I’ve kinda stopped listening to reviews. Mostly. I’m a PlayStation guy, so I have no dog in this Starfield fight. That said, I remember everybody trashing Dragon’s Dogma as some pay-to-win, cash-grabbing game and it wasn’t anything like that. I tried canceling that preorder but realized I already downloaded it. Glad I couldn’t refund, I had a blast playing it. Ppl don’t know wtf they were talking about sometimes. It’s almost as if the reviews were weaponized against DD by a rival company 🤷‍♂️. Tl;dr: don’t always believe reviews. Reviewers are getting paid to give reviews. YOU are the product.

[@the_dark_soul_of_man]

Let me translate: "Monney pleeeease!"

[@michaeljkeeney]

And give Bethesda $30? Hard pass.

[@the_dark_soul_of_man]

@@--AE-- Depends if you mean the journalist reviews, cos then I completely agree with you, but if you decide to go yt trawling for reviews you will find more honest ones probably.

[@Constellasian]

Emil's ranting about how customers were wrong and he's right? No surprises there.

[@Tihamatt]

Yeah, they were wrong to buy this trash lmfao

[@aceclover758]

Customers keep supporting this garbage so…

[@PK-ts8iz]

​@@aceclover758This is the critical issue here. Emil and Bethesda have made themselves clear that they are clueless but people still eat this shit up and that justifies BGS' horrendous decisions

[@nok4799]

Any hype i had for Elder Scrolls 6 is gone :1

[@sodmadhaven]

I'm in the same boat

[@Ghostlynotme445]

The hype died for es6 since starfield released

[@marcmata5574]

I really don't want to agree with this, but at this point, I feel like it's inevitable.

[@WakoDoodle]

Tbh I'm more hyped for the elder scrolls 5 mods "beyond skyrim" and another one I can't remember atm. Ones that are designed to expand the world of tamriel and add new zones you can go to. Sure it's not an official game, but it's more official than what they're doing atm.

[@TheHK_47]

Same. However, it will be a bit better than starfield because it won't have the big empty open spaces. I hope

[@stanettiels7367]

Thirty dollars? THIRTY DOLLARS? That’s wild. That’s half the price of an entire game. They take the piss at every turn. Cosmetics for twenty dollars, side quests like this one for thirty dollars. I’m sick and tired of these studios ripping the piss.

[@jesse3430]

So basically you're just mad at capitalism

[@stanettiels7367]

@@jesse3430 No. At the greed. How can you justify a tiny bit of content at that price when the entire game costs seventy dollars? How can you justify one skin costing fifteen or twenty dollars? So basically you’re just an apologist for greedy companies milking their customers? Got it.

[@aceclover758]

@stanettiels7367 Jessie has a point. YOU buy the product despite knowing how lazy and incompetent the company is Reap what you sow Why should they work harder on the game when you fools buy it anyway?

[@RedRabbit-ZA]

Money well spent Microsoft lol. They bought Bethesda a decade too late.

[@pjisleta1994]

an L for them hahahahaha

[@KRAFTWERK2K6]

They clearly overpaid..... just to get what Bethesda had annexed before them.

[@invaderjoshua6280]

At this point, the only thing Microsoft bought worth money with Bethesda was the fallout and elder scrolls ip’s, and id. Why they haven’t told obsidian to start working on fallout and elder scrolls games, and having id work on halo I’ll never understand. It would be the common sense thing to do. A new halo game with the combat of the new doom video games would be amazing. As for obsidian, it’s a no-brainer that they’re clearly better than Bethesda at making RPG’s. Heck they made a better Bethesda game than Bethesda in only 18 months, with fallout 3 versus fallout new Vegas.

[@Crazy_Gamer_OG]

It's funny cause they bought Zenimax because Sony was going to buy Starfield as an exclusive.

[@bobjoe5937]

Another great decision by M$ and Xbox.

[@lucasgaudio3720]

Oh Emil, you were promoted way beyond your talent. You hack

[@Saint_Ixtab]

He sure has, all thanks to people overly praising brotherhood quest in Oblivion.

[@lucasgaudio3720]

@@Saint_Ixtab yeah… ISNT IT CLEVER THAT YOU MURDER THESE GENERIC CHARACTERS YOU DONT CARE ABOUT???? Oh, you are actually smart and drop “mothers head” in front of the real murderer to get a reaction? Well dont worry, nothing changes and you cannot act on it to have him killed before that crap “cutscene” where they nail down the player camera (i asume because it would be easy to stop it if you could move )while he one shots 2 or 3 dues and then keeps slashing a crouched inmortal Archen. Oh god its sooooo fucking sloppy

[@Liatin1]

Emil made us all the chosen one, sadly he isnt one

[@COMMANDandConquer199]

He was good at quest design, but he is NOT a writer.

[@aliekexie8467]

@@Saint_Ixtab And still missing why people loved it, spoiler: its not cause of the writting

[@N7_Nate]

I can't believe Emil has the audacity to say starfield is the richest space simulation RPG anyone could imagine, He's clearly never played or even heard of Mass Effect...the most Legendary space RPG Trilogy of all time which has an Amazing story spanning 3 games with complex squad mates, over 10 Sentient Alien species, and it highly repayable... its a shame Bethesda didn't try to fix the base game with shattered space like Cyberpunk did with Phantom liberty, I got the expensive version of Starfield that should come with shattered space for free when I purchased a new CPU....Looks like I won't be reinstalling this crap....Back to Mass Effect, I'm Commander Shepard and my Prothean buddy Javik recommends I throw starfield out the airlock

[@NewMitchell-wh3fj]

Also just ignoring Elite: Dangerous in terms of scale and space travel. LITERALLY tens of thousands of systems. Hundreds of thousands of worlds. It takes IRL DAYS to go from where you normally play to the center of the galaxy. Hundreds of jumps if you're not on an endgame ship made for long jumps, even then it's dozens and dozens of jumps.

[@rogerdautrive1319]

Warframe be like "do I not exist?". Another space game done right where the few planets that had an open world environment were very detailed and can do things like mine and fish. Oh and the campaign was engaging too. I installed Starfield today because there is no way I'm going back to that game, going to stick with Warframe if I want to play a space game.

[@DanJuega]

I think that's why he threw simulation right there in the middle

[@wallyhellblazer6905]

​@@rogerdautrive131910 years playing warframe and mass effect, if i want space i play those games. I try starfield to the end but i will not come back to the load screen simulator. Is sad, i love fall out and the elder scrolls but starfield is like a 10 years game with a graphics mod from nexus.( love nexus mods too). But you are right, warframe is a good space game. Nice to see another tenno here.

[@alvercaine8893]

Even X3 (where you CANT get out of your ship) feels more alive than starfield

[@vvitch-mist20]

As a fantasy writer I want to fight Emil in a Denny's parking lot. I dislike the man with a vibrant intensity.

[@Saint_Ixtab]

I'll be there to cheer for you and hold your beer for when you win.

[@vvitch-mist20]

@@Saint_Ixtab It's not gonna be very hard. I have a story that I call "Unknown" because I don't know anything about it and it's already more compelling than anything Emil has written.

[@IcepickEddie]

😅

[@danialyousaf6456]

​@@vvitch-mist20 ive got scraps of a bunch of stories and theyre definitely better than anything emil has shat out.

[@k.s.7919]

Bro, you write fantasy, the only combat you'll ever see will be on the pages of whatever tripe you're writing. Stop acting tough, Emil would put you on your ass just by virtue of being from an older generation, even being some pencil-pushing nerd.

[@HelicopterRidesForCommunists]

Replacing Todd Howard is necessary at this point. It is beyond obvious. Him and Emil and whoever else needs the boot.

[@angeloluna529]

You can replace Todd Howard, but who will replace him? Some former EA executive?

[@Diactia]

The entire team needs to be replaced. All of the good devs that were there 15 years ago are gone

[@HelicopterRidesForCommunists]

@@angeloluna529 Someone from CDPR

[@ripteye]

Emil Pagliarulo needs replaced.

[@Tamperkele]

The restructuring they had during and after 76 is to blame why this game is so bad.

[@anvb5a1]

I mean.... how many people work at that studio? ... And then they sell you what ONE modder could have made in a moment of passion!

[@decimgames2163]

602 current employees. 600 were overseeing 2 guys mod up a DLC???

[@anvb5a1]

@@decimgames2163 Dayum!

[@BradStarnes]

This Emil dude is in such a state of denial that it's actually kinda sad. He really thinks that Starfield is high art and he should be applauded.

[@bobjoe5937]

16 times the loading screens. It just works.

[@Saint_Ixtab]

That's basically his mentality for the past decade, anyone who criticize him on his Twitter he blocks, anyone who licks his boots he endorses... Toxic positivity is a real thing in BGS.

[@Azerkeux]

Emil wrote himself into Fo4- Parker Quinn, is a commentary on how he perceives his customers and general attitude toward gamers

[@momsspaghetti4064]

Clap his face with our hands. 😂

[@teamacio9043]

He isn't in denial,he just doesn't care. He does the job good enough and gets a fat cheque

[@peckneck2439]

How TF is Emil still working for Bethesda? This guy hasn't written anything worth anyone's time since Oblivion.

[@bsmith6276]

Emil is Todd's buddy. They both have the same lack of skills, too.

[@Saint_Ixtab]

He's Todd's childhood friend, and in their eyes, when he was promoted after Oblivion things only sold better and thought it was thanks to his writing, but in fact it was despite his poor writing, world building carried Bethesda until Starfield they ditched world building for procedurally generated boring planets and fell flat.

[@Sinner987]

Fallout 4 is by far the best selling one in the franchise, fallout 76 probably generates a lot of income for bgs. Imo, they are worse than fo bos. The numbers talk, and i think elder scrolls will be another best seller, because people like my buddies, that play vr skyrim, with lydia wives, will buy it

[@digivagrant]

Nepotism

[@SpliffyHusk]

@@Saint_Ixtabwhat I’m saying, like people argue this game has better writing. But Bethesda games have had average writing quality for many entries. It’s just the world carried their game so fucking hard you forget that the main quest in Skyrim is an isolated adventure. The companions is badly paced and rushed. No one gave a fuck about the emperor dying, the thieves guild is their best story in a game filled with quests which is crazy.

[@blumoon131]

Bethesda is pride manifest. If this is the quality they want to force onto customers, then they should anticipate no one paying for their horrid lazy shit.

[@TurtleMan2023]

The fact that vehicles don't handle the terrain well in the dlc just proved that they cut it from the original game before they added vehicles

[@SpikedKirby]

I dont follow the logic, what do you mean?

[@TurtleMan2023]

@SpikedKirby If the DLC was made after the game finished development, then they would have made the terrain for the DLC good for vehicles since they should've known by then that there would be vehicles. Unless, of course, they just cut it from the game before they planned on adding vehicles and repackaged it for $30

[@BxPanda7]

@@TurtleMan2023 I honestly think they're just so incompetent that the thought of adding a drivable road or something didn't even cross their minds. I mean, they gave us a game about living in an advanced spacefaring civilization in cities that have space to park a couple spaceships and there's one train and that's supposed to be the peak of transportation technology ??? It's just like Skyrim's biggest city being a small village or Fallout 4's biggest settlement being a tiny dump with a grand total of 10 badly equipped guards. Bethesda have no clue how to do proper, believable worldbuilding.

[@indigowater2225]

​@@SpikedKirby The dlc terrain is ass for the buggy.

[@maweitao]

​@@SpikedKirby There's speculation that Shattered Space was cut content that Bethesda didn't have ready in time for Starfield's launch. If Var'uun'kai were built over the past year you'd think they would have accounted for the rover. Maybe they just had this specific artistic vision that they didn't want to compromise.

[@Rob0tacon]

The only way you could view Starfield as a “technical marvel” is if you A) haven’t played Starfield or B) haven’t played any other games in the last 10 years

[@metadude1234]

Bethesda is unironically huffing its own farts.

[@billbillinger2117]

Fans are labeled "toxic" or "haters" by both corporations and shills for even the most basic of criticisms anymore. Starfield was mid at best, the DLC was just plain lazy.

[@EvgeneXI]

Gaslighting, init. And it kind of works, so why wouldn’t they. This is what happens when you give corporations the ability to shut down criticism with buzzwords.

[@Andy_Rose90]

I hate how people claim that Bethesda games are stagnating. That's not true. Their games are regressing. The writing has been on a downward spiral since at least Oblivion and they keep cutting RPG systems. Worse, even the exploration has reached a new low, which has arguably been Bethesda's strong suit since also at least Oblivion.

[@momsspaghetti4064]

Ikr. Elder Scrolls and Fallout only makes in real life conventions and fandom events which people cosplay as their favorite developed characters who also have builds and lore to them. Again. In real life too. Yet. People say what you said they say. 😂

[@momsspaghetti4064]

Ain't no Starfield fandom events happening ever. 🤣

[@Warmaker01]

If you want a real kick in setting and lore done by Bethesda, look at their efforts in 2002's Morrowind and compare that to their other games, even Skyrim. IMO, in terms of lore and establishing setting, Bethesda was at their peak with Morrowind. Morrowind was a strange setting with locals having very in depth history and traditions that were unique. A major problem with a lot of fantasy settings is they often tend to be "Medieval Europe but may some magic and a few pointed ears." Not Morrowind. Whoever Bethesda had tapped to establish that game's lore deserves a lot of acclaim. As well as the people that had to design and make that game's world.

[@zeriel9148]

I'm not sure "regressing" is the right word as their past games were not that bad. It's not like Arena was as bad as Fallout 4 and Starfield and then it got better. Their first games were their BEST games. So it's decline more than it is regression.

[@Andy_Rose90]

@Warmaker01 Agreed. Morrowind is more interesting than all their other games combined. Vivec alone is more compelling than just about every character they've written since.

[@jedski0717]

In a world where Phantom Liberty and Shadow of Erdtree exist, Bethesda using Shattered Space as an example that they're skilled at crafting DLC is a sad joke at best🤦🏼‍♂️

[@jtm-25]

Take the $30 you would spend and go buy No Mans Sky. Their devs are STILL releasing free content years later.

[@decimgames2163]

Is it good now? I remember the bad reviews at start.

[@RickReasonnz]

@@decimgames2163 While watching this vid I checked it out on Steam. Got a 90% positive of the recent reviews, 79% over all time. I hear it was one of the best redemption stories of recent gaming, which seems to be true.

[@falcoon_f_zero9450]

I bought No Man' Sky a few months ago when the big update on it was released and I have dropped the game by now. That game is very boring too. It still holds true what was said in release: Wide as an ocean, shallow as a pond.

[@noway-i8u]

I haven’t played it yet. However, I hear good things from actual people about no man

[@aresdesiderata8959]

@@falcoon_f_zero9450it beats the absolute shit out of starfield and if you play on console there is literally no other game that comes close to what it does. On PC you have Eve and Elite dangerous. Other than that NMS actually is a groundbreaking and ahead of its time master piece. If it have better pvp it would be a perfect game but as it stands it’s quite good. The graphics are phenomenal. The space flight and combat is on point. You have multiplayer, base building, exploration, ship customization, the planets are diverse and absolutely gorgeous AND they keep updating the game for free. Compare to AAA titles it’s not even fucking close. NMS if the only game that comes close to giving me the same sense of imagination and freedom that Eve online used to.

[@saint3106]

🤨"Am I out of touch? No. It's the customers who are wrong."

[@xenolithic9691]

The second that I saw Emil's face on screen I was filled with an indescribable sadness for what used to be Bethesda games. RIP

[@GrimViridian]

Im honestly shocked anyone is still hyped for elder scrolls

[@octavianpopescu4776]

I wouldn't say I'm hyped, but I am interested in it. Whether or not I will buy it depends on whether or not it will be good. My idea is to leave a door open for all possibilities. We'll see when we get there if it's good or not. Don't get me wrong, I get the scepticism, but we don't have any certainties yet. Only the finished game is a certainty in my book. Not trailers, presentations, rumours, etc. And we don't have the finished game yet.

[@GrimViridian]

@octavianpopescu4776 yeah I mean if it's good it'll speak for itself. But given pretty much everything Bethesda has done the last few years it's hard to have hope, they'll have to do some serious work and actual innovation on their dated ideas

[@bobjoe5937]

I'll never buy another game.

[@CheapCreep]

Elder Scrolls 6+ premium special edition with Elder Scrolls 1st $99.99 annual subscription and creation club credits.

[@PeteBaldwin]

It's made on the Creation Engine so it's going to feel extremely dated and clunky. It'll have lots of bugs and performance will be awful. There's nothing they can do about it providing it's made on the same engine. The hope is that maybe they'll put some effort into the writing and we'll at least be able to have some fun with it... It's not a game I'd buy within the first 30 days of launch though. I'll let others buy it, get over the honeymoon period and then we'll see whether it's worth buying or not.

[@Vaestus]

This is just what happens. Its LITERALLY what you get with the domino effect. Corporations ruin games -> Customers get rightfully pissed and insult the incompetence and mismanagement -> Devs get defensive because every last word they hear from their fans is how badly they blow chunks. Success was the worst thing to happen to the video game industry, because with every major dev team now being ran like a corporation instead of being just a group of people with an idea, passion is entirely missing and making money comes before making games.

[@Faceplay2]

Didn’t happen to CD project red

[@calebbridges4748]

Nah. The devs that were worth a crap got let go. The actual problem here is that companies and IPs don't have talent. Talent is in individual developers and writers.

[@johnhorak2000]

It almost like there are no smaller studios making bangers like Dead Cells, Hades, Kingdom Come, Elden Ring or even Alan Wake 2

[@zeriel9148]

@@Faceplay2 Are you joking? It literally happened there too.

[@Faceplay2]

@@zeriel9148 yep

[@OmegaGamingNetwork]

They can defend it all they want, but if the game has woke ideology in it, it goes on my do not buy list. Until western game companies remember that gamers just want good games again and not this anything but "inclusive" garbage in it, I'll continue playing older games or games from eastern developers.

[@mightylink65]

I don't think I have ever been sadder with Bethesda than I am now. I have absolutely zero hope for Elder Scrolls 6, absolutely none... I know they're going to continue this trend of doing the bare minimum effort, cut factions up into DLC's and create bland empty worlds that are worse than previous games. It's time to stop getting excited for Bethesda games, I'm so done with them. I think the next 5-6 years of development is going to be a complete waste and Elder Scrolls 6 is going to be Bethesda's "Concord" or "Skull & Bones".

[@Mongrel214]

Bethesda is the next Ubisoft except with better combat and no virtue pandering.

[@masteroak9724]

@@Mongrel214 I hate modern ubisoft as much as the next guy... but better combat? Bethesda combat is like the worst and most boring in the game industry.

[@Mantiscular12]

​@@Mongrel214Well some of ubisoft games they have released in the past have been pretty decent such as ghost recon wildlands and ac origins. They also did improve breakpoint keeping a team on it and listen to the fans on what they wanted. Bethesda are just A holes and dont listen to their playerbase at all.

[@selectionn]

@@Mongrel214 at least ubisoft games have combat that is more than spam left click to swing sword until enemy dies (skyrim). I would rather play a ghost recon game than any fallout game if I wanted better combat.

[@ArcaneAzmadi]

I'd like to think so, but sadly that's not going to happen. Skull & Bones and Concord failed because, quite simply, nobody gave a shit about them at all going in. Hell, if you look past the shitty character design, Concord isn't even THAT bad a game on an objective gameplay level compared to something like, say, Redfall, it just so generic that it failed to grab anyone's attention at all, which is instant death for an online game. The Elder Scrolls VI is going to sell millions and have people lining up to scream what a work of genius it is, _solely_ because it's the follow-up to Skyrim and for no other reason, even if it's actually the worst game Bethesda have ever made. Starfield didn't have that advantage due to being a new IP. Never underestimate the ability of dumb fanboys to shill for a piece of shit that they've hyped themselves into predetermining is going to be brilliant.

[@LOLITzAudio]

So this is basically like if they removed some of the faction quests from Skyrim/Oblivion and sold them as DLC? I honestly don't know I haven't played Starfield and have no intention to.

[@Jeff-cn9up]

Yes, except they made only 1/4 of them, and they're ineptly written and designed.

[@Dr.Yakub22]

Bethesda are selling a weapon in their creation club for 6.99. Nothing is beneath them.

[@pauperslament3467]

​@@Jeff-cn9up is correct.

[@blitzball4lyfe823]

Don’t worry! You’re really not missing much. I couldn’t finish it.

[@theanimer1]

Its pretty obvious this was part of base game and got added later on as paid dlc. For them to even have the gall to say this is on par with shit like far harbor or nuka world and shit like that is beyond laughable.

[@shinzoux5912]

What a safe, boring, snooze-fest. Shattered Space doesn't even belong in the same sentence as Phantom Liberty. I'd rather play Cyberpunk on launch than waste any more time on Bethesda trash tbh. The quests are so lame and uninspired, it's actually insane. Not to mention how weak this gameplay is, it's like they're stuck on 2011 game mechanics. Difference is CDPR fixed their issues while Bethesda are charging for single quests. They can go the way of Ubisoft for all I care.

[@pheade1254]

My overall experience with Starfield was defined in the first hour, when the first and second dungeons I entered were the exact same ice lab. Not the same tileset; they were the exact same building.

[@ironwolf56]

In fairness to the game, they've been trying to get away from that particularly as much as possible. Most stuff now is hand-crafted individual areas. The set piece stations in Shattered Space and that bounty hunter faction that was a free update are actually pretty cool

[@scullyy]

@@ironwolf56 That can never be the way to save the game though, because 99.9999999% of it is still randomly generated. They would have to work on the actual random generation instead, make it more interesting.

[@AlinUreLive]

@@ironwolf56 No they haven't been "trying to get away" They released 1 single DLC in 12 months which doesn't change the issue you bring up because they added no new POI models.

[@PeferG17]

They would have done better with like 5 or 10 hand crafted planets rather than hundreds no one cared about

[@maboilaurence8227]

@@AlinUreLive + Said DLC has even less content than your average Skyrim/Fallout DLC.

[@pizzaman11]

The only way I can comprehend Todd’s and Emil’s comments is that they aren’t aimed at customers. They are trying to dupe investors and Microsoft into keeping their investments into this sinking ship.

[@somnorila9913]

Still doesn't make any sense. Unless those too are completely oblivious about the products they want sell.

[@myuw91]

After working in a corporate company, this is very believable and likely the case. Many of them are just here for the salary or their small piece of the shares, and making good products doesn't mean they get good return on investment, so that's out of the decision-making equation.

[@Hybris51129]

​@@somnorila9913How many years have we watched investors in Disney, Activision, Ubisoft, and beyond seemingly ignore losing millions if not billions of dollars to poor decision making by ignorant management. The bean counters are the last people being consulted by anyone in these companies.

[@finesseandstyle]

Bethesda is like Squidward: "Why can't people understand my artistic vision 😢😢😢"

[@katkong281]

Bethesda is not the same company anymore. Most of their talent that made their games great have left. Yeah you have guys like the one that designed the Spaceship editor, which is awesome, but guys like Emil Pagliarulo ruin it by forcing a terrible story and terrible dialogue down everyone's throat

[@Saint_Ixtab]

Bruce Nesmith you mean, yeah he left a year before Starfield, in hindsight he might've left because he saw the red flags all over it. The major loss Bethesda took is firing Kurt Kuhlmann, the last TES lorehead. Now it's all up to Emil and Todd's but since Todd is too busy playing CEO, it's basically Emil the game director of TES6.

[@Sneedmire]

Emil has always been a clown. He changed the background of the Fallout 4 protagonist so that Nate would technically be a war criminal but didn't realize what he had done before immediately reversing that decision. The guy is always antagonistic towards the playerbase and fans.

[@Saint_Ixtab]

He takes pleasue in pissing us off with his stupid takes.

[@Broken_valley]

Nate the rake is real change my mind

[@dksoulstice6040]

This is honesty Emil in a nutshell Emil: Says something incredibly stupid Most fans: That's fucking stupid Emil. Oh. Well I....but you see...the thing is....but but but....developing games is a hard process

[@BruceTukimin1997]

The fact that BG3 exists and was developed by a team of 450 when Bethesda has around the same size of team should tell you enough about how Bethesda has fallen.

[@freddan6fly]

As long as Emil Tortellini is employed at Bethesda, they can't make a good game.

[@FullBeardSk8]

This is my first time ever hearing about this Emil Ravioli guy but it's quite clear he's a massive issue

[@tommyoksanen471]

​@@FullBeardSk8Are you guys talking about Emil Copy Pasta?

[@maddlarkin]

Ah yes, Emil 'Nate is the war criminal in a scene made decades before I was even involved with the franchise' Pagliarulo I think we can safely ignore anything he has to say

[@maddlarkin]

@@alex____5602 Honestly it was just cringe, something he only came out with to be edgy... suppose we should be thankful he didnt post it was Randall Clarke, think the whole Fallout community would rioted at that one

[@Rain1]

It's crazy to think that elden ring made something so good that 75% of the people who played the base game came back to buy the DLC 75% of people buying the DLC is a crazy amount

[@Multifidi20]

It's funny that there is only one ground vehicle in the entire settled systems and you happen to have it. And no way to communicate with someone on the same planet via cell phone or text messaging. What a weird future.

[@chamaragayan4011]

Seriously? No one else has a vehicle? Thats just sad game design.

[@charliesanders8719]

‘Needed more time in the oven’ bro it’s been in the oven for a year

[@muzamilnabinadroo]

Honestly considering how low Bethesda have fallen had they gotten 5 years to make a decent DLC I know they'll still end up messing.

[@MinosML]

OBSIDIAN BUILT NEW VEGAS IN A YEAR AND A HALF! WITH A BOX OF SCRAPS!

[@dragonfalcon8474]

Maybe BSG wanted 16 times the negative reviews?

[@Brandonisbored7]

as long as Emil is there. bethesda will fail. KISS 'Keep it simple stupid' is whats killing their games. every game after morrowind loses more features and player control. emil GOTS TO GOOOOO.

[@madmantheepic7278]

You have to understand, from their perspective it worked they kept it simple and people still bought their slop… clearly they’re right. The common denominator likes slop.

[@CorvoFG]

Emil is like the employee that’s been there for years but stopped adding any value a long time ago. Only because he’s been there so long, nobody wants to do what needs to be done. Bethesda needs new talent. Desperately and soon.

[@LouSassol69er]

Yeah he's got to go

[@lupolinar]

They should've give Will Chen a chance (after the gem that Far Harbor was) to write/design the overarching story for ES6/FO5, maybe he could've bring the good back to them as RPGs. Sadly, they kinda forced him out and he works for Something Wicked Games now.

[@LouSassol69er]

@@lupolinar what a waste. Shen should've been leading the narrative and writing by now.

[@Vhalior666]

Western Dev Studios and Publishers have completely lost touch with their audiences and show little to no respect for fans of their products. The only language companies like Bethesda understand is 'Money'. Vote with your wallets and let's all put an end to trash games and dlc's.

[@Grigorii-j7z]

There is an obvious difference between good game and bad game. Main critic of Space Marine 2: "Oh god! I want more of this" Starfield critic: "Oh god! No more of this."

[@MyAramil]

Emil is the main reason why bethesda's writing has suffered period. Those who played oblivion, know how the dark brotherhood quests where so fun up till you needed to cleanse the sanctuary? and then it just... lost its fun? THAT is when he took over. That is when they started to use him as the lead writer.

[@eprimchad2576]

What? The db line was great, cleansing the sanctuary felt evil as hell.

[@MBM1117727]

I thought Emil wrote the whole DB Questline. Where did you find that out?

[@MatthewBarrington-j3o]

Bad example. Cleansing the sanctuary made the end of the QL more impactful.

[@dksoulstice6040]

@@eprimchad2576 The DB questline was trash. You were railroaded into being an idiot who can clearly see something is wrong but can't actually do anything about it because Emil forces you to finish the questline the way he intended, which is only possible if your player character decides to momentarily be a moron. You can find proof of who is screwing with the DB, the real culprit, confront them with the proof, and nothing happens. How is that great?

[@maboilaurence8227]

@@dksoulstice6040 Exactly, the only reason people seem to like DB is because it's better than the rest of the game's awful streamlined quests, I've always thought it was massively overrated by RPG standards. It's a very low bar and people fell for it.

[@WakoDoodle]

I remember when Fallout 76 tanked and bethesda defended the game. In a QnA which seems to have been mysteriously deleted from the internet, they even insulted fans for not supporting it and in the next breath talked about how the mods for it weren't accepted since they will do the fixing (which they didn't do). Reason I bering this us is because, well it's history repeating. They will defend it, then try to undo what they did to make some fans happy; continue with it pretending the past never happened and then laugh about the failure as a joke, acting as if they never defended it to begin with. Next game, same as the first >.>

[@bobjoe5937]

I hope Bethesda goes under. Out of any AAA company, they deserve it.

[@Diactia]

​@@bobjoe5937Most AAA studios deserve it. Especially Ubisoft

[@MikhailScottKy]

To fix 76 they had to bring in outside help with totally new ideas and content. This stinks. It is going to be so hard to find another Dev that can produce the kind of stuff I like to play.

[@DemonS1ayer]

They need to fire their lead writer and hire a modder

[@vexile1239]

They have hired modders, if memory serves me right a modder was hired who made an entire questline in skyrim was made to add the cups, books and pens in the game, you know useless junk items

[@DemonS1ayer]

@@vexile1239 yea Elianora and a couple others but there’s just some people that need to go

[@Vno27]

The writing has been going down hill since Fallout 4.

[@EXMachina.]

* Since Fallout 3 because it's the same writer.

[@MrSirHenryMF]

Since Morrowind, because the good writer left after writing it.

[@domomonstero3077]

Fallout 4 was shit. Terrible writing, no evolution in combat or story.

[@lupolinar]

Skyrim* ..and FO4 had Far Harbour, which was a great DLC with the best writing in the game, lead by Will Shen, not Emil.

[@Badookum]

Actually Fallout 3, thats when Emil game the lead writer.

[@InterSeptZ]

How in the hot hell did every person developing this "DLC" not for one second think to make Andreja integrated into it? All she does is commentate on the side, no new dialog options, no quest specific to her. Not even a reaction to converting to Va'ruun. I...this hurts my brain trying to understand this.

[@DragonAoRazor]

It’s telling that they compared it to far harbour instead of nuke world (which is a better comparison). They know people generally liked far harbour and therefore it would generate more interest

[@sk8legendz]

Never forget that they chose to fix exploits. In skyrim, that allowed you to level up infinitely rather than fix game breaking bugs that prevented you from completing or even participating in content that you paid for in dlcs Bethesda doesnt want you having fun They want top shelf profits for bottom shelf slop

[@qubeh1203]

considering the only thing you ever really need to do in bethesda games to get infinite xp is type a handful of letters in a row, i don't really care about whether or not they fix exploits like that, unless they actually break the game.

[@hundkebab2433]

​@@qubeh1203consoles don't have the option to use commands so XP glitches sometimes come in clutch - it's just weird that Bethesda goes out of their way to fix them because alot of glitches require quite the setup + specific knowledge on how to perform them so they won't be ever found by someone playing normally means Bethesda is wasting their time fixing XP exploits in a single player game - time they could spend on fixing game breaking bugs instead - it's baffling

[@1vaultdweller]

I dont think they know what they want from the player. They just do random things for no reason

[@Vert_GreenHeart]

I absolutely loved TW3: Blood & Wine, it's a literal masterpiece compared to Shattered Space. Toussaint is thousand times more detailed, atmospheric, immersive and beautiful, story while not as deep as Hearts of Stone; still offers massive content with lots of side quests, new armors, swords and good writing. Meanwhile in Shattered Space....

[@richanater99]

Personally, bethesda is in the same basket as ubisoft. They’re both bad companies and haven’t done much good since skyrim. I borrowed falout 3 back in the day from my driend, and then bought all the DLC’s for it. When i was finished completely, i then bought the game for myself. Todd howard is just an absolute snake oil salesman and can’t be trusted, and if he can’t be trusted, bethesda can’t be trusted. Players have been letting them know their engine is what’s holding them back, but bethesda just cares about doing a minimal amount of work for premium prices.

[@JennyfaninSweden]

TES6 is not the game we all want it to be, they’ll drop the ball completely with it.

[@CheapCreep]

Elder Scrolls 6+ premium special edition with Elder Scrolls 1st $99.99 annual subscription and creation club credits.

[@Pappagar]

I could easily see a 20% steam rating incoming

[@ANGRYWOLVERINE2060-ft2nc]

I ...well I think that is likely.

[@KawaiiFive_O]

Bethesda really needs to understand that Cyberpunk 2077 and BG3 have changed how people are going to look at their games. Starfield doesn't feel lived in compared to Cyberpunk 2077. NPC's in Starfield only exist as exposition dumps. They don't talk to you like a real person. They're uninteresting and one-dimensional. Their animations and expressions are stiff and limited. Starfield's NPCs are completely unbelievable as actual characters living in the world.

[@thomasator1139]

Why do companies keep launching games with DLCs already planned? Why are we just ok with that? DLCs should be a year or so after the full game when the devs have new ideas and feedback from the community. If you already have a plan before the game comes out then it should just be base game

[@iDrumGod]

Abso-fucking-lutely. DLCs should always be based on what the fans want to do/see next in the game, and what they want more/less of.

[@Lemosa3414]

We are not ok with that, you can see the reviews

[@Nerdvanna98]

I dont just think Shattered Space feels like cut content, but rather that it just is. That would explain why it was already being announced before the game even launched, why the storyline forces you to join the cult of the serpent (since it was the faction quest line for them we never got in the base game), and why the quest line is only 5 hours long. Cutting this out and charging $30 for it is truly un-excusable from Bethesda.

[@GeneralBananana]

These days I'm most interested in indies and independent developers like Larian. Everyone else is disappointing these days

[@Mongrel214]

Love Larian. Also downloading fallout London rn so I’m pretty stoked!

[@hermes3354]

@@Mongrel214 enjoy it ! it's really good imo, much better than starfield, and i enjoy it more than f4 base game

[@HyperKryst]

Except for Nintendo games, I've been playing indie games exclusively for a long time. It's so peaceful to not deal with the headache of companies constantly doing anti-consumer practices.

[@Kratos263]

There's also some long standing companies who are on a roll right now. Looking at you Atlus (though I still hate your DLCs)

[@MLPDethDealr32]

Yea.. larian that added the Diversity bullshit into a Dungeons and Dragons game and has non binary garbage in it. Get rid of the ESG f*cking trash and i might buy it.

[@corwyncorey3703]

Bethesda's last 2 releases (and it's treatment of previous titles via recent updates) have displayed the company's true goals. *They want money.* That is it. Their only goal, and they achieved it. Bethesda released their overpriced, under developed trash, and morons bought it. They even bought an afterthought of a DLC. Bethesda spent the one coin they had left in trade for cash; customer loyalty. They spent it, and now it is gone. Maybe more people will join me in the "Never Bethesda" camp now. I gave up on them once I saw what their intent was. Minimal effort for maximum profit, hoping modders would do all the actual work for them. They won't. Goodbye Bethesda. Good riddance.

[@waketp420]

I dont want it to happen, but I'm kinda happy to see people reject Bethesda's laziness. They say they listen to the fans, but their delievery says otherwise.

[@Kratos263]

But they do listen to the fans, as seen by Todd's quote. They just don't care

[@marcmata5574]

Emil Burr should just go back to stand-up comedy because he's absolutely killing it with those satirical remarks. Starfield, being the best game bethesda made, is comedy gold.

[@nilpointfive]

The worst part about starfield is they talk about the mech and bio weapon wars all the time, so they made an interesting timeline in their universe, and then start the game after it’s all over. It’s like going to a history museum of a game that was cool but never existed.

[@anonymous_hulk]

Bethesda needs to get rid of Todd and do a good reshuffle of their staff and leadership.

[@Vert_GreenHeart]

Todd and Emil really sound like a broken record at this point... They keep saying people are loving their games, things are amazing while everything burning down around them. This toxic positivity is not gonna do them any favours for TES6 or any future games.

[@KentShepherd]

After Starfield I'm not even sure I want them to go back to Elder Scrolls.

[@EnderGhost119]

Remember how Bethesda made a bunch of fictional languages, from scratch, for Elder Scrolls? Sure would have been cool if we'd gotten that level of effort for Starfield.

[@decimgames2163]

Funny how that works, how that attention to detail makes it better. Movie Fifth Element actress Milla Jovovich had to lean a fiction language that the director practiced with her off camera constantly so she would seem fluent.

[@masterofbloopers]

Refusing to listen to fan criticism is the biggest sign of inflated egos, thinking they know better than the people who buy and play their games. It's also the quickest way to get your studio shut down for lack of profitability. Or at the very least, layoffs galore. The most frustrating part is that they'll march to their graves genuinely believing that they did nothing wrong, and that it was us, the fans, who were in the wrong for being too critical.

[@Cptn_Candy]

2:50 "21,000 overall is it's peak" it says on the screen "all-time peak 13 months ago. 330,723." the uh... the math isn't mathing here my guy. edit: was the "it's" here referring to the dlc, not the game as a whole?

[@Razaek]

Todd needs to be fired. Bethesda needs new blood, someone who will use a new engine and actually care about games and the fans.

[@hibatheultimate5445]

How? He's the directors of bethesda he's almost to retirement tho

[@steelthfighter]

the downfall of games... welcome to the gaming relapse that atari felt

[@MittenpunKt]

Imagine being Bethesda and having to live up to the standards of Skyrim and fallout 4. They'll never release games of those standards again

[@32gigs96]

Fallout 4 was much worse than 3 and new Vegas. Skyrim was good but was heavily criticized for going backwards in a lot of ways like quest quality but was still LEAGUES better than fallout 4. So not even being able to make Starfield as good as fallout 4 is pathetic

[@Kris-ok2eu]

another factor why starfield is divisive and disliked in the way it is, is that its the reason we don't have a ES6 or FO5 out yet. we've all been waiting for these games for a decade but instead we're met with starfield, a game and concept no one really asked for at any point. its bound to make people wan tit to at least be worth it or reach their levels but instead, it falls massively short. Starfield imo is a game for no one, not for fps fans, rpg fans, open world fans, sci fi fans or even bethesda fans. the reason bethesda games are loved is their awesome exploration... but starfield completely removed the one aspect that made them as loved as they are.

[@rodrigobogado8756]

What's up with American companies (and Ubisoft) blaming costumers for not licking their products? It's the worst kind of marketing movement you can do and only produces LESS SALES

[@hundkebab2433]

toxic positivity - criticism is not accepted because it's hate, raysist and 'mansplaining' they got so high on their own farts that they can't smell the shit they produce

[@soulward6334]

It's social engineering to establish control over the population.

[@Poppa_Capinyoaz]

'Ken 'ell, read what you write before posting, kid.

[@Gutvald]

They just have less talented people in every service, even communication.

[@ldrockmusic]

Bethesda cares more about Sweet Baby Inc.'s feedback than the customer's constructive criticism.

[@stef54DE]

Bethesda should have a hard look at itself and check out how Ubisoft is doing currently. The suits in management, always chasing the next quarters numbers, ruined the game industry. The only question at this point in my mind is: which former game development giant falters first, Ubisoft or Bethesda?

[@XNyvedX]

Ubisoft for sure, but Bethesda is soon to follow at this rate.

[@TheGeoCheese]

Ubisoft first. Bethesda will be the last to go. Activision or 343 is next in line. Blizzard will follow either Activision or 343.

This period we're in of "activist game development" where teams of incompetent buffoons make poor quality products and then lash out at customers for disliking it is wild.

[@TheGallantDrake]

They don't understand that they gotta keep improving.

[@cannibaletiquette5038]

when do you guys FEEL like it started? not the gamergate answer, or the so and so always sucked answer. can you guys point to that one game or article, or game you noticed developers started to act this?

[@MaD0MaT]

​​@@cannibaletiquette5038maybe Mass Effect 3 with that "great" ending and overall EA/Bioware reaction to the criticism? For me it was most noticeable.

[@Pyxis10]

The hell does this have to do with activists and not incompetent or ego driven execs?

[@Maleegi]

@@Pyxis10 he is one of those woke this woke that people

[@roxasoranightcore]

The issue is the bethesda we grew up with is gone. All that is left is a face and the IPs.

[@FlyJonat]

"Am I out of touch? No it's the gamers who are wrong!" Emil Pagliarulo is the main reason the writing of bethesda sucks. I guess he's too high in the corporate ladder to be fired.

[@hillehai]

As someone for whom the Elder Scrolls holds a very sentimental and special place in their heart, this is just incredibly depressing. I was really hoping for TES: VI to be something great, but there's just no reason to really believe that Bethesda is capable of making a good game anymore...

[@daveb7049]

The good thing is your expectations are now at a level where TES6 will meet them.

[@krazymist6950]

They need to literally give Starfield to another studio.

[@basshead.]

EA

[@ThrobbGoblin]

Here's the thing; I knew IMMEDIATELY after playing the base game, that the Shattered Space DLC was going to be an absolute joke. This "expansion" wouldn't exist if Bethesda wasn't legally obligated to fulfill the "Ultimate Edition" bundles. They didn't have to sell this DLC, everyone already bought it when the hype-train was at full speed. If there's another "expansion" next year, you might see them actually attempt to make something worth selling, but until then, Starfield is still Starfield- it just has more of Emil's awful writing than before.

[@ryanbrady3755]

I fell into the hype train.

[@Elitetvgamer]

My thoughts exactly. I am still enjoying the game 1000 hours in. The mods are carrying the experience, though.

[@byallerrr]

the fact that you have modders like deityvengy making entire star wars story lines that are more expansive and detailed than this dlc, shows that starfield devs spent the last year twiddling their thumbs

[@olliemunchies]

Sounds to me everyone at Bethesda is protecting Todd's love child game more than anything. "no Todd your game you've wanted to make for 25 years is amazing, its the consumer who is wrong"

[@spergnation1859]

I have Starfield on gamepass. Never bothered to play it. This DLC will not change this.

[@bobjoe5937]

I was an idiot who purchased the premium edition on Steam. I didn't even bother beating the main story or trying the DLC. I have uninstalled the game off my PC.

[@LprogressivesANDliberals]

For 30$, phantom liberty is how you do it right

[@ryanbrady3755]

Thats dlc was so good..hot damn.

[@eprimchad2576]

That was the first time i felt something in a game in years

[@joshfairweather97]

The whole 2.0 update along with Phantom Liberty, brought Cyberpunk around from being one of the biggest let downs, to genuinely one of the best games of my life time.

[@DoktorWieg]

I think what makes me the most mad about Starfield is that it dashed all expectations... in the wrong ways. We expected hand-crafted worlds to explore... we didn't get those; at most, we got empty landscapes with a few outposts. They said the universe would be infinite to explore.... when you can clearly see there's just a handful of systems and only some of them can be landed on (then again, it would be hard to land on a gaz giant unless there was a station in orbit or in it). They said there would be an interesting questline with a twist and sure, there was a twist... but that twist is just making New Game + an actual game mechanic. Space combat isn't that impressive... if anything, it is sometimes really frustrating instead. Can't even fly to the planets, they're just floating .gifs. Gear is tasteless and has no identity other than "bullet gun, laser gun, etc." and really, anything else than bullets or explosives are lackluster. While the armor looks like spacesuits, which is nice it itself, it's also very non-plused. I think the only thing I actually enjoyed was the design of space station, as they were closer to what you'd expect a space station to be overall : cramped, utilitarian, the kind of small haven from the void of space. A few exceptions of course but most of them followed that trend. Ship builder was nice too despite a few mind-boggling limitation but it did allow to give late game players something to do with their wealth. So really, it comes down to being a game that promised a lot but didn't deliver... like No Man's Sky did originally. The difference being is that unlike Starfield, the devs of No Man's Sky have real passion for them games, not only for their paychecks which Bethesda seems to have embraced the latter.

[@ndwknss]

No one wanted this game at all. We wanted a good fallout game and a new elder scrolls. No one asked for Starfield. It's been a good run folks, but Bethesda is dead. Game over.

[@LimpRichard]

Emil is as soft as they come. He needs to be fired.

[@SpeedFreak1972]

First he needs to learn when to shut up

[@Saint_Ixtab]

@@SpeedFreak1972 he can't help it, in fact the reception to Starfield really shocked them because for the past 8 years they were living in an echo chamber been told that they're the greatest of all time!

[@xXCosmicHorrorCowboyXx]

I believe “flaccid” is the word you’re looking for.

[@bigsasserify]

It's an OK DLC. Not saying it was worth $30, but, it's maybe a $10 worth DLC.

[@MastaChafa]

This DLC should have been free

[@loganberkheimer1857]

Comparing Shattered Space to Phantom Liberty, Shadow of the Erdtree, and Iceborne/Sunbreak makes me feel embarrassed for Bethesda. It's straight up baffling 😂

[@daveb7049]

The benefit is that Elder scrolls 6 will meet expectations because everyone is going to think it will be bad.

[@bloodraven432]

I feel like this was originally supposed to be part of the base game, decided they could scam players into paying for it, shelved it without finishing it, forgot about it, remembered it was there and rushed it out. It would explain why there’s nothing new in it.