TikTok Is Banned

[@somerandomweeb4836]

I'll never forget how many times that 1 senator asked the CEO if he was Chinese. I was convinced his next question was gonna be if he ever ate Chinese food.

[@PrograError]

*Chinese National (actual question: “You said today, as you often say, that you live in Singapore. Of what nation are you a citizen?”, there's Chinese all over Asia, but nearly none identify as a Chinese National from China) funny that he's Singaporean... (kinda annoying that Singapore's being used as a boogeyman for these kinds of shite... that said Chinese company opening shell companies like it's in Swiss.)

[@melifer1]

That was painful to watch. Senator Cotton looked SO ignorant.

[@rwandaforever6744]

IIRC he also went full-McCarthy and ask the "Are you or have you ever been a member of the communist party?" - I thought this is today only done in comedies, as it is so dumb.

[@drehherd7394]

​@melifer1 its quite interesting actually and the question while sounding stupid itself is not. Why did a non chinese citizen became chief financial officer for 3 different chinese state run companies. That is very very very untypical as those jobs are since multiple political purges reserved for loyal CCP technocrats. (I don't mean the western subdivisions which onky serve as a proxi PR) How does a non citizen fits into this role. TikTok is not a good thing.

[@gknight686]

@@rwandaforever6744 McCarthyism was based though lol. it didn't go far enough

[@JamesTM]

It'd be nice if we got actual privacy laws, instead of targeting one specific app. Our personal data shouldn't be tradeable, ownable commodity.

[@SoyAntonioGaming]

umm, we should have the right to sell our personal info to whoever we want. ez bucks

[@tasker6669]

this law was made for other tech companys in the us. Not for normal people.

[@Darkprosper]

They don't care about that, it's just an excuse to pressure TikTok to try to get their business.

[@the_undead]

​@@SoyAntonioGamingthen that should be your choice for you to sell that data. But you would struggle very much to sell that data because anyone interested in buying it can probably get it for cheaper from someone else

[@TekniCaliSpeakin]

That law would ban TikTok too James

[@Legoideaswithcamden]

Very interesting temu isn’t being targeted considering it is known to track every single thing on your phone once you download the app.

[@Draknfyre]

So does TiKTok.

[@kabeeeeeee]

Dude keep quiet I need these deals keep your goddamn mouth shut

[@luciomainbtw7064]

@@DraknfyreThat’s… what they’re saying

[@cephems995]

@@Draknfyre you just proved a point of tiktok being banned because of money

[@NWLangel]

Shein tracks your purchases, as does Amazon...no difference

[@dr.whomst]

It has been one day and this video is outdated, wild times

[@old.shower]

i'm kinda confused why they were back within like 14 hours and why they are thanking donald trump for it. seems like a big publicity stunt.

[@Bumpierbags]

Cus Trump is the one who said he would veto it and make sure it isn't banned for free speech. Personally I think it's making Americans so tarded so it should be banned anyway but hey I'll take free speech thanks Trump.​@@old.shower

[@WilliamMorrison1]

Also what's with the weird black screen for many seconds after saying the evidence is classified?

[@NotExactlySans]

@@old.shower This doesn't change my opinion on the orange cheeto.

[@DetectiveNyx]

@@old.shower it was trump's idea to ban tiktok up until he realised it was his doorway to getting in with white gen z men and then he reversed course to keep his propaganda machine going

[@Noahscape31]

I have 0 problems with the regulation of TikTok, what I don't get is the US not passing a good data privacy law that would encompass all of TikTok, Google, Meta, X, etc

[@nigeladams8321]

Because it would cut into google, facebook, and Twitter's profits Our government is in service to corporations

[@AlwaysTolkien]

I would bet you money it’s because of big tech companies lobbying against such a law. Yay oligarchy! 🙃

[@travisnell6849]

There's money to be made in our data.

[@nguyendi92]

Who gonna vote for it ? Majority of people don't care about personal data privacy. China is a threat to National data privacy though .

[@silent7159]

They wouldn't be able to enforce it on TikTok, which is the primary issue

[@BluejaySerenade]

Honestly, I don't think this is going to last. But it's been interesting to watch from the outside as someone who doesn't use TikTok

[@Nowifi6666]

That's my thought I don't use it so watching it happening has been interesting

[@Sidkain]

I have an account, just to follow the few friends I grew up with that got big on TikTok. I don't use it other than to check on their content every now and then. I'm sad for the loss of their livelihoods and having to re-grow audiences elsewhere, but other than that I fully agree, it's just interesting as a non-user.

[@Vsor]

I think it will disappear personally. Vine disappeared, I think something else is going to come along and replace it.

[@EeveeEuphoria]

@@ThatCraftyCorner i don't like tiktok either, but many people rely on it for their livelihood so i'm not laughing myself :V

[@rickvandam3238]

i hope it doesn't last as an outsider who never uses social media let people be on there. yes chinese owned company spying on america but how about they then have the same standards for other social platforms twitter has been doing worse stuff then tiktok has. tiktok just shows how stupid people can get for cloud

[@Slywyn]

It's almost like a comprehensive data privacy law would fix this... But no we're only going to target the apps run by countries we don't like. The ones run by companies in the US? They can do whatever they want with your data! Perfectly safe, no hypocrisy or double standard here.

[@avsystem3142]

The U.S. can't enforce its data privacy laws on foreign countries.

[@SamSitar]

exactly. you think like the doctor in dr who.

[@thecrackin-u8p]

Yes because they are not controlled by an authoritarian dictatorship hostile to America...what don't you get😂😂

[@Challenqerr]

china is not an ally, why would we want them to have good americans data?

[@ThoughtIntercept]

@@thecrackin-u8p That doesnt make it better

[@calmghosts]

Foreigner selling American data to China: 🙅‍♀️ American selling American data to China: 👍

[@newusername-i4n]

Pls don't call 911 again and don't cry

[@力の法則]

China trying to eat america :🙅🏽‍♀ Americas' social and government privacy :👍🏼

[@Dumbminds180]

They won't buy every American data because they are our rival and enemies.

[@sledziu87]

Just name it Facebook law 😂

[@newusername-i4n]

@@sledziu87 just call 911 and say sorry

[@ButFirstHeLitItOnFire]

I feel like Temu should have gotten the ban instead, seeing as it’s a known scam that’s also been known to house malware in it. Edit: I appear to have started another comments war.

[@Shebeast3]

👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

[@gabrielho1874]

I thought it's just shitty super glued pens and other cheap crap. There's a malware?

[@charlotteshenkenberger345]

​@gabrielho1874 Honestly, I'm not surprised Temu's got malware.

[@abbethythegreat]

@@gabrielho1874oh, of course.

[@AleTitan]

​@@gabrielho1874 yeah, people have gotten their identities stolen because of Temu'

[@tylerbakeman]

US: "Monopolies are illegal" and "Tiktok compromises privacy" Also US: "TikTok can stay if it is sold to Microsoft"

[@1416-x5o]

Stop noticing.

[@Sayid-al-Furat]

Snowden proved that the US government is a bunch of liars.

[@ecclesman]

The US is built on Monopolies, and now will only further rely on corporations to survive. The ol' oligarchy route, works in the short term, never in the long term

[@Sayid-al-Furat]

As if the US government doesn't have global surveillance programs.

[@isbestlizard]

"Addictive brainwashing and distribution of disinformation and propoganda is FINE if WE'RE the ones doing it"

[@ikaros110]

As someone who studied cybersecurity in Europe this is all very confusing: Do I understand it correctly that TikTok is banned because of data privacy reasons, but this case would not be a relevant precedent when it comes to data privacy regarding US-based platforms like Facebook / Meta? To me it roughly translates to "data of US citizens may only be used for profit by US firms" I don't really care about TikTok, but this just goes to show how bad data privacy laws in the US are.

[@knightsnight5929]

Spot on. The US has never had data protection for this very reason.

[@rebeccacourtney5286]

It's a relatively common conclusion among a lot of people, especially since Musk and Bezos are cozying up to Trump and they own major social media cites that earn a lot of money from selling user data

[@notepicalsalt612]

how come nobody remembers how it genuinely started from promoting crime? y'know, stealing cars and whatnot

[@giaparmer]

Interesting, my policy debate topic in high school in 2015 was Whether the government had a duty to curtail domestic surveillance of American citizens the way it does foreign surveillance of American citizens. Seems like a similar conversation here.

[@MinionNumber3]

Working in IT in the US for more than a decade, this is exactly what it is. We're also required to just hand over whatever private data we have on anyone, at any time, for any reason, barring a secret court we're not allowed to know about deciding for some reason to object to the government's request. Which as far as we know has never happened.

[@iantaggart3064]

What I don't get is why Trump is trying so hard to bring it back. He's the one who wanted to ban it in the first place.

[@urlond9371]

Because Americans are so short sighted that they forgot he wanted it banned in the first place.

[@Argezi]

Because he actually used it and realized it’s not as bad as everyone claims it is in the government

[@davedsilva]

It was because he got embarrassed by falling for a scam.

[@fangirlandproud6442]

My thought process is that he’s using it to gain traction with a younger audience. If they see that Trump “saved TikTok”, they’ll be more likely to support him and what he says & does, making him more likely to be able to do the shitty things that he does as young voters are probably the highest population of those that still vote.

[@acat4215]

​@@fangirlandproud6442But the votes have already happened?

[@MrJoobiem]

It's pretty damn wild that you used Bernie as your example given that despite his advanced age, he has a better understanding of these issues than virtually all of his colleagues.

[@jimbotheimpaler4756]

Tom cotton was right there smh

[@random6033]

also he voted against the ban

[@yingleifang8953]

The student congress men just don't understand tech. There's a lot of technical means to ensure U.S. data is safe without forcing Tictok to be sold to a U.S company.

[@TIMMAAHHH1]

THE MAN STREAMS ON TWITCH

[@mezu-e]

He's gotta fight the "liberal bias" impression caused by liberals doing less unhinged BS on average.

[@Nin10dope]

Kinda scary how right after Mr Eagle said it's classified at 6:15 we get six seconds of black screen silence

[@MistyKathrine]

I thought something was wrong with the video.

[@rat_dragon]

@@MistyKathrine same

[@stonedsage111]

“mr eagle” lmao

[@Dozenspeed]

It was just a Calculon-style dramatic.... PAUSE! 😛

[@Caldilsee]

I LITERALLY CAME HERE TO SAY THIS😳

[@cats4president]

From a European standpoint: when the US government thinks a social platform owned by a different nation is such a huge threat, it really makes you wonder about facebook and the like. "Cheaters think everyone cheats"

[@NoxNyx666]

The US government already knows FB takes your data and sells it. They don't care, FB has already been successfully sued

[@odinfromcentr2]

Facebook needs to be _strongly_ curtailed as well. I have no illusions as to the likelihood of that happening, but... 🤷🏻

[@themiddlekingdom9121]

As long as other nations like China company or companies created Apps and other products very successfully in the world, the U S would be banned, from Huawei/ZTE, EVs and now TikTok.

[@da6640]

but China can force a Chinese company to do anything it wants. American law doesn't allow that. Chinese companies are essentially an arm of the Chinese government.

[@chazdomingo475]

Facebook and Google absolutely track everything about US users. Fortunately, you are protected by the GDPR which limits their tracking of you to some extent.

[@sarahEAwood1008]

And in less than 24 hours, it's back! This is why I don't celebrate too early or grieve for too long.

[@user-Camjja]

Fr. That’s a good quote btw lol

[@TheSenatorSam]

"grieve" 💀

[@kirknay]

It's not back, it's reanimated. Meta is puppeteering behind the scenes.

[@corn776]

@@kirknay bro what

[@sidasterdisaster]

@TheSenatorSam yeah dude I'm sure they meant it literally and in the exact same way one would grieve for a dead loved one. Good job. All words mean exactly one thing and are used in the exact same way always.

[@supremeownage8995]

Our foreign adversaries aren't allowed to sell all your personal information. Only our corporate overlords have that right.

[@OctyabrAprelya]

That's kind of an admission of guilt from America's part. Europe should be very careful with American based social media. Specially now that Elon tries to openly interfere with British politics.

[@ikaros110]

​@@OctyabrAprelya regarding Musks interference in politics: he advocates electing a very problematic political party here in Germany that is on the rise (AfD). It was scary how popular they have become already and that kind of interference makes it even worse

[@simon2493]

We Europeans do have very restrictive laws about personal data protection, the bigger problem is with Elon trying to influence European Union national politics like with endorsing AfD.

[@briantwiss9078]

ALL HAIL THE OLIGARCHS

[@mike17032]

Facebook sucks. The CCP is far worse.

[@K.KLovelyz]

I get irked when people refer Red Note as "Chinese Tiktok". There is already a Chinese Tiktok known as "Douyin", which was what Tiktok originally was before becoming internationally popular. Red Note is more like the Chinese equivalent for Pinterest/Instagram.

[@aromaladyellie]

* irked

[@Zkdub4]

Actually the TikTok in the west was originally Musical-ly, which ByteDance bought out and renamed to TikTok.

[@user-to1su2iy4d]

Semantics. It's all the same

[@BlehBlahBlegh]

Yeah this app is nothing like TikTok, nor is it related. I wish people would stop saying this

[@AllfatherBlack]

ah the deep lore

[@delindsay]

5:57 this is why the TikTok ban is laughable. Google, Apple, Microsoft, Ford, Chevrolet, Cortana, Siri, your smart TV's, Ring Camera, your ISP, Facebook, twitter, etc, ALL do exactly what is lined out in those 2 line items.

[@thepudgyninja]

As far as I know, none of those are explicitly controlled by a foreign government. That would be the primary difference, I think.

[@eno2870]

The difference is that none of those things are controlled by a foreign power with a vested interest in doing damage to our nation and its people. TikTok is.

[@seaotter6927]

@@thepudgyninja foreign for you, but for everyone who isnt from the US, its the same thing, US stealing our data, china stealing our data, literally no difference.

[@cannonxz]

Rather it be my own country that I serve, then a foreign "enemy" plus I don't have anything to hide.

[@Flipflurp5]

@@cannonxzisn’t that just discrimination based on where a company is based, since there’s no difference in what they do?

[@Inescapeium]

Well, this aged like milk real fast.

[@SLAPTALK]

The TikTokalypse‼️ 🌋📱🌋

[@Cookieboy70]

Yeah the algorithm isn’t gonna help out here, lol, still pretty informative though

[@TikkiNikki]

It was planned. Tiktok said at about 1am on the 20th. "Thanks president trump for restoring TikTok". The thing is, it wasn't the 20th in the US so trump wasn't theboroesident nor helped to get it restored. It's grandstanding and shows trump is working with China. There is no other way to slice it

[@PixelCaffienated]

very fast

[@kirknay]

Not rly. It's now a zombie puppeted by Zucc

[@KeKe-bv8qv]

1:00 lol of all the pictures to pick for this it's Bernie??? He voted against the ban, streams on Twitch and is generally one of the most well educated members of congress when it comes to modern technology and modern society as a whole. Absolute legend.

[@a.cunningham4974]

Bernie was, is, and always will be Bro Of Bros

[@Aelvir114]

Now I have a mental image of Bernie streaming Elden Ring. 💀

[@jrizzelli]

i think its just cause of how old bernie is. hes basically a walking zombie. that being said hes also one of the only government official who i believe has truly good intentions, and is a total bro.

[@dodixaverius9176]

yeah while it's bad example, but it work to give you an idea how old the senators are. If anything it's very rare to see someone around his age that actually wanted to go an extra mile to understand an issue like that.

[@discodetective5142]

No need to do Bernie dirty like that

[@aragornelesar3862]

"The average age of a senator is 64" Literally retirement age. Needs to be age and term restrictions they are so out of touch. They stay in the role well beyond retirement age for the money and power due to there being no term limit restrictions. Insane.

[@MrGoesBoom]

And yet it will never happen no matter how badly term limits are needed. These are the same people that just this year had yet ANOTHER shutdown because they couldn't agree on a budget. They did however agree they all deserved raises. Same lovely elected officials that feel their elected positions deserve life long pensions as well

[@VictorianBob]

That'll be discrimination unfortunately

[@RoanShip]

They probably think floppy disks are the newest tech

[@LucienKoserl]

Replace then with people around 20 to 40

[@Bear0601]

@LucienKoserlnot 20. Waaaaaay too young. Make it at least 35 to match the minimum age to be president

[@silverXnoise]

This is stupid. Make it illegal to steal data, not just for Chinese companies, but EVERY company should be banned from this behavior.

[@randomrobin7773]

Can't, most companies here in America make a ton of money selling out data.

[@4thdimensionalexplorer]

Exactly. Tech companies are extremely unregulated in what they are allowed to put in your property, take from your property and use your information. Its a dangerous way to move forward as tech becomes noee advanced and invasive

[@Shebeast3]

👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

[@MeatballCereal]

Well... The American Privacy Rights Act of 2024 would have done that, but it was killed by House Republicans before it even got out of committee

[@JakeFick]

Well this laws actually incredibly narrow to tailor to TikTok. SCOTUS decided the data privacy concerns is necessary but not sufficient to ban the app. The next required factor is that it is owned by, or in part controlled by a foreign adversary government (determined under statutory law as China Iran Russia North Korea). SCOTUS decided and much of the intel community has agreed that China is using the stolen sold or collected data. When it comes to national security SCOTUS usually rules in favor of the federal government.

[@deiske25952]

I love how all these videos and goodbye posts and such are all aging like milk in a lemonaid factory

[@viccy_1312]

Surely this will lower the price of eggs

[@Aeropunk08]

The saying "what's this got to do with the price of eggs in China" is actually a relevant question now 😂

[@AlbieAughtie]

That would be eggcellent

[@KennySoOp]

in michigan we just banned all eggs except over priced cage free eggs -_-

[@PoppinPsinceAD33]

Donald trump didn’t do this so idk what ur on about

[@tattered.andtorn]

​@@PoppinPsinceAD33 trump started the push to get tiktok banned lmao.

[@tcsmagicbox]

Politicians: We passed this law and we hope the courts will uphold it. Same politicians after public backlash: Damn, I hope the courts will strike it down.

[@TheWhiteBamba]

You're a peasant, as much as I am. Those "politicians" aren't truly politicians, but elite, fearmongering men who try to control your life in a such an obvious way. If you're interested, maybe you should listen to our single [song] which will be released on the 20th.

[@neurofiedyamato8763]

The sheer incompetence is astounding. The vast majority of them need to be kicked out of office

[@gogereaver349]

now tiktok gets to sue for all the volations. ttump knew it was coming and tryed to stop it.

[@jdk7278]

And then: If not, we'll just not enforce it

[@kennethkho7165]

Politicians are terrible at politics

[@jameslmathieson]

I'm rather confused that this law was written for ByteDance specifically, rather than as a general rule against the operation of a social media platform in the US by any entity subject to the PRC.

[@AlottaBoulchit]

Because BD and TT was a thorn in the side of many rich people here who want to make $$$$ and can't as long as it was allowed to exist freely.

[@thewhitefalcon8539]

@@AlottaBoulchit Don't forget the pal uh steen problem. Tiktok didn't censor people from talking about it.

[@devintrevor8142]

you think they're gonna pass laws that upset the president's bestie mister musty?

[@everythingisterrible8862]

Because it's fundamentally about power. They would like to continue holding onto it. Everyone born after 1980 would like very much for them to not continue holding onto to power. In their mind censoring our ability to talk to one another will help allow them to keep the top-down brainwashing monopoly they've enjoyed with television all those decades. The future always comes and regimes inevitably fall. But they'll do everything in their power to push that day back as far back as possible, as they loot as much as they possibly can before the dynamite goes off on this beached whale. .... of course the #1 thing they hate these days is being called out for profiting from funding and aiding a genocide. All our lives we're told it's bad to be a nazi, but apparently it's a perfectly fine thing to be as long as you're the one personally receiving a paycheck for it. ...Contempt is all a normal person should feel for this crackdown on free speech. God I'm tired of all these blatant lies and distractions. Even a child knows this has absolutely nothing to do with what they claim it's about.

[@jewulo]

@@thewhitefalcon8539 Who is or what is the pal uh steen ? What problem does /he/she/it have?

[@NguyenVinhHang]

TikTok is back, Angry Orange 🍊 want to distract you from rising groceries

[@Soh90]

Banning TikTok for what they say they’re banning the app for is real rich considering I get a dozens of ads on Google for literally anything that I talk about too loud and too often.

[@MrBrock314]

They're not concerned about Google having your data because Google doesn't answer to the PRC. Tiktok does - at least in theory. Again, the US government isn't trying to protect user data from American companies, it's trying to protect it from foreign countries - specifically ones it deems a national security threat like China.

[@araisikewai]

It's totally not for privacy law. Rather they're forcing TikTok to divest on discounted price. It's just US Capitalism working at full force.

[@tsalal7597]

I thought about a lawnmower once and started getting Google ads for lawnmowers

[@GoldDylPikel]

just saying, you can turn off personalized ads in settings. Also disabling cookies on any website you visit. There are things you can do to get around that stuff if it bothers you.

[@swiiftykat]

@@tsalal7597 lmao so one time I suddenly started craving blueberry pop tarts, which I hadn’t even had in years. Like almost immediately after the craving or soon after, i got a KZbin ad (before i had premium lol) for….. POPTARTS; specifically showing the blueberry ones. Psychic or technology… 😂

[@HolyBaldWonder]

When I apply for a job in the US every time the potential employer hits the same problem: they don't have access to get my university transcript from the Australian university I studied at. That's because there is a working privacy law barring the university from supplying my information to anyone unless I give written authority. Privacy laws work. We have HIPPA as an example of one working in the US. Let's all go write old-school paper letters and mail them en-masse to our representatives so that they can feel the weight of our concern, and to prevent foreign adversaries from getting a hold of a copy of them.

[@sarcasticundertones3513]

HIPAA*

[@vileele]

Thats weird. every job I've interviewed for asked me to send them my transcripts not going directly to the univesity.

[@jenniferstine8567]

How many times did you watch the old version of Miracle on 34th Street this year? Sorry, pal, but they'll just send out a prefabricated letter that says your concerns mean a lot. They're dedicated to the public's concerns. Sincerely, Autopen Signature. It's just going to be a waste of paper. I tried to be active in college. Every response from every person was the same.

[@MrBrock314]

@@jenniferstine8567 You gave up after 4 years? No wonder it didn't work. Change takes decades.

[@RoundShades]

Make the paper the size of a large banner or hand-sign on a post, and take it in mass directly to our representatives by standing at Capitol Hill waiting for them to personally come acknowledge each and every one of them.

[@ThaJuiceLord]

Asks for better healthcare Gets a TikTok ban

[@Shadowdash66X]

"why aren't the plebs happy?"

[@ThingsAreGettingTooSpicy]

a "step in the right direction"

[@falcon_arkaig]

" B-b-but better healthcare is expensive!! Higher taxes are the mark of the devil! " Aka companies don't care about the well being of their customers if it doesn't make them as much money as possible.

[@dubspool]

Man I can’t believe the price of groceries has tanked because *checks notes* they banned TikTok. Very cool.

[@koilamaoh4238]

They want to control information, so their feudal lords don't get exposed any further. US social media is already heavily censored; in which they all follow the same rules.

[@sunslap]

If only they put this much effort into health insurance companies.

[@juances]

The fact that the law said "tiktok is bad... unless you sell it to an american, then it's ok" is what irks me the most. I'd rather then be honest and say "we don't like China, so we banning their apps" instead of this pretend-to-care about user privacy.

[@SamSitar]

that law is unconstitutional.

[@madd.Rosé]

​@@SamSitarOh, and BTW, the non-American owners of Tik Tok that are probably living in China and are therefore not protected by the U.S. Constitution.

[@PappaTom-ub3ht]

@@SamSitar "that law is unconstitutional." How so?

[@mastpg]

Dude, there are zero people in China who can say no to the Chinese government. The Chinese government is aggressively and all but openly attempting to subvert US interests across the globe. For a business at this level of scope and penetration into the personal lives of Americans, the US government needs more assurances than ANY Chinese company could offer. This ban is completely reasonable.

[@mastpg]

​@@SamSitar Great job saying you've never studied the Constitution without saying so.

[@Cybfreak99]

The fact that a rednote ad appeared under this is quite wild

[@TheCommunistRabbit]

Talk about data privacy

[@FatimaNisbah]

Not only Red Note Filmora as an alternative to CapCut is the best option.

[@dawuid1491]

We in China know best why government hate to specify the implication of a law's range; result in what we call "basket laws" (口袋罪) that are purposefully, poorly designed so the enforcement can use these laws to apply however they want in muddy situations, such as the "national security law"(yep sounds familiar?) that are widely used to arrest dissidents, whose "problematic" expressions aren't otherwise necessarily warrant harsh measures such as arrest and imprisonment. There are really a lot that the Chinese and American average people can benefit from communicating with each others directly, instead of getting impressions from our respective mainstream media that are controlled by either the state or the big corporates (or both). Not only will this decrease the hostile sentiment towards each others, but also push each to understand the world better and gain otherwise unacessible perspectives that can be used to better pressure our respective governments to do better.

[@Msanimefanatic25]

yep. an example in america would be the patriot act

[@thecrackin-u8p]

China is far more hostile in that regards ...they have so much control on what everyone hears, reads, sees

[@tofuwaifuu]

This is possibly the wisest comment I’ll see this year, thank you for sharing your thoughts.

[@ceg4609]

do you have any american apps on your phone? what about russian?

[@TomFynn]

In Germany, these are called "Gummipararaghen" or rubber paragraph, implying they are paragraphs in the law which you can stretch to mean what you want.

[@GamerBoyNoah_Gaming]

This has to be the stupidest 13 Hour ban in US history this ban lasted less than a Roblox 1 Day Ban.

[@NWTTWN]

Trump started the ban movement, now you believe he's ending it?

[@TheOffizier]

​@@NWTTWN biden signed it

[@patriciaa4451]

You know you're in trouble when actual the lawyer asks "what even are laws anymore?"

[@rylog8]

We are governed by anti-legalist aristocrats. When an entire party's tagline is "elect me to the government to stop the government," you're screwed. You don't hire PeTA to manage SeaWorld.

[@TerryDax]

He's being disingenuous. TikTok isn't a private company in China, it's government owned. So he keeps bitching about how all these private companies are allowed to do things, when none of those private companies have the money, nor the means of a company being actively backed by the entire Chinese government. And while an American company CAN sell such data to China, it would be such a large foreign transaction that the Government would know about it. A Private company also wouldn't spend a ton of time and money to send that data overseas, whereas a company that's LITERALLY OWNED BY THE CHINESE GOVERNMENT OF WHERE ITS BASED, would. Heres the other part: It's a law that impacts ONE private company, NOT a public square. So, even on the other hand... Freedom of Speech only applies to when our government is censoring American speech. Nothing the government has done has censored any American's right to free speech, because they're not censoring American speech - they're banning a Non-American platform which American's use. There's nothing stopping any American from making their own TikTok, and there has been SEVERAL Americans who have tried to outright buy TikTok. China simply doesn't want to lose its foreign propaganda arm. Just like how China was busted, several times, for running illegal police stations on American soil, they're attempting to run a spy platform disguised as social media. And Legal Eagle is being disingenious, because he acts like there's zero difference between an American Company that isn't backed by an entire Government, and a Chinese owned company that's backed by their entire government. It's why he keeps failing to mention the ONE BIG DIFFERENCE between TikTok and every social media company he lists off. NONE of them are owned and backed by the Chinese Government, but TikTok. GEE, I WONDER IF THAT HAS ANYTHING TO DO ABOUT IT?

[@willtheoct]

@@TerryDax speaking of disingenuous.... 1. microsoft is backed by the US government, and all network developers are subject to secret intimidation by US police, with the export controls on math before 1999, and with the patriot act of 2003 2. saddam hussein targeted a few private individuals, not a public square. There are US police stations across the planet, far more than chinese. 3. so you think LE is being disingenuous because he's not racist against the chinese? US 'law' is disingenuous because 4chan is harmful to children, tiktok isn't. 4chan is not banned, tiktok is.

[@iand4374]

​@TerryDax So how come Israel is allowed to endlessly lobby the US government, pay off members of the senate and house, and receive billions in military aid without ever coming under scrutiny?

[@tigurt11]

⁠​⁠Damn you wrote a lot. Ok first things first, I have no idea where you got the belief that TikTok is owned by the Chinese government. TikTok is owned by ByteDance, a private company based in Beijing. It is owned by Chinese investors, but saying that means it is owned by the Chinese government as well is just ridiculous. Second, them doing this is limiting free speech. They are censoring a platform which is primarily used by Americans to post opinions and news. The reason why they are banning this company is very simple. They have a monopoly, but not over what you think. They have a monopoly over data selling. Like it or not, companies like Meta, Google, Microsoft all steal your data without you knowing.TikTok is very good at stealing your data. In fact, it has the data of tens of millions of Americans coming in every day. The data market is a very luxurious business. Companies like Meta and Google make most of their money selling to other companies like stores that want your data, but TikTok is taking away a lot of business they could be getting because of how popular they are. So, the big companies complained to the US government, and told them “TikTok is stealing our business, I don’t like them.” Side note, the government is heavily influenced by CEO’s of big companies. In fact, I bet they get a ton of tax dollars from these large companies. So, the US government listened. But TikTok makes a lot of money. The US government likes that. So, they said if it is bought out by a US company like Microsoft, TikTok stays.

[@MrWoodyShorts]

Thank you for including CapCut in this. I lost the editing software I pay for today because the US Government is petty. Super disappointing.

[@reedsheridan4831]

AIRPLANE MODE

[@iz6028]

it still works using a vpn !! hypic too

[@WHITEPERSUAS1ON]

Cap Cut is a HUGE loss

[@cozmic124]

capcut users when they actually have to edit a video:

[@veloc1tyTV]

This is why I always try to use open source software. Nobody can hinder you installing it ... yet.

[@cynic5581]

I work for a private security firm. I’m not in the cybersecurity division however when hired we were required to delete and never install or use TikTok (and a few other apps). I had to sign a document and if we break that rule we are immediately terminated. This was around 5 years ago. This was a decision made internally by our company so it’s interesting to see a nationwide ban now….

[@jfbeam]

And _why_ did your company (arguablly, illegally) demand removal of these apps? (presumably even on personal devices where they have no say.)

[@josephlh1690]

@@jfbeam Because they could face serious repercussions if more data ends up getting collected than was permitted or warranted. Second, they do not have any way to really prevent sensitive data from getting harvested in the first place. All it takes is one silent undisclosed change in the API and BOOM! That sensitive data has been successfully extracted, with no way to claw it back or any way to stop malicious users from committing fraud, bypassing copyright protection laws and allowing for blatant theft of business secrets with that data. By the time the data is secretly collected, it is too late to stop the damages from spreading.

[@bqing87]

@@jfbeamfrom my experience. There was a phone connected to my jobs network and that device tried to hitting their servers over 150,000 times. Come to find out. It was TikTok on a ladies personal phone. Afterwards it was band from all personal device usage and people were informed not to use the app onsite. So yes there is a legitimate risk and concern but it’s not the only app including domestic.

[@SendItVibes]

​@@jfbeamever have a job that matters kiddo? Tier 1 cyber security special agent with 5 sovereign nations... None allow tiktok. If you don't know why... you are part of the problem.

[@Kitsudoku]

I would HOPE you couldn't have ANY apps installed considering the fact all companies spy on you....

[@kimberlyrodrigues2998]

This was never about data privacy, or national security. This is about money.

[@lukilladog]

Ryan McGovern: "Follow the money"

[@TikkaQrow]

As an IT professional, this 'ban' just tells me how 'out of touch' the US court system and government is with technology, the internet, and how online privacy is actually being handled...

[@Alexden96Channel]

Right? They’ll just keep wasting time and resources banning individual apps instead of having a base set of regulations

[@TuffCatDad]

I don't think they're "out of touch" so much that they just want complete and total control over US data so they can sell it instead of losing that business to TikTok.

[@scotthuffman3462]

Call your state senator. Explain your education background and explain to them how much this hurts American small business owners. But keep in mind at the end of the day Luigi might have had the only true solution.

[@bender9000]

Don't think they are. I think they purposefully misrepresent what they are doing.

[@takingafatdump]

this is about sending a strong message to chinese leaders about mass censorship and propaganda not protecting the public’s right to privacy.

[@CowJangles]

1:07 Weird to use Bernie Sanders as the image of an "old out of touch politician". He's voiced and voted in opposition of the TikTok ban.

[@Faustustopheles]

agreed

[@eno2870]

Which.. is a great reason to show him as an "old out of touch politician".

[@SheldonAdama17]

In fairness, that’s because he is old and out of touch

[@paragonexperience]

@@eno2870 out of touch with whom lmao, other boomers who are wanting to protect the American billionaires?

[@Ermude10]

He's old, but definitely not out of touch. Sharp as an eagle, and consistent as an elephant.

[@alyssagraves8676]

They didnt even wait til tomorrow. Mine just went dark 9:30 CST tonight

[@mourne4899]

Mine disappeared at 10:30. Thought they’d at least wait till 12:00 AM

[@p-losojunglebaby2006]

Mines disappeared at 8:30

[@barrystalder3137]

Yes mine too

[@Irisgeneral]

Mine at 930 also in in Colorado

[@keepitrealcraig]

@Irisgeneralsame in Colorado too

[@CityLights-v6u]

Update: It was banned for a day, but this was uplifted. Truly a "Spongebob goes in jail for stealing a balloon" moment.

[@Purpleblackviolet]

I GOT A REDNOTE AD LMFAO

[@Antoine_ZR1]

lol

[@5areth]

Same

[@B3RyL]

Chinese intelligence officers right now: "We promoted TikTok in the west, because we thought they would never want to install something like Little Red Book - a clearly, unambiguously censored and surveilled piece of software. Clearly, we were wrong. Run the ads!"

[@DarthGTB]

Same

[@abbethythegreat]

and a KZbin blue comment 😭

[@RayMak]

My American friends are now speaking more fluent Chinese than me in such a short time.

[@JacksonWalter735]

You are everywhere bro

[@its_notjordan]

Remember seeing u everywhere back in 2020

[@KennethMak]

[@mavx4]

do you speak chinese to begin with?

[@Neotrec]

​@@mavx4Well hes Malaysian, Malaysia is very deeply Chinese

[@MoonWielder]

How fitting that the ban led users to a platform that embodies what lawmakers were trying to prevent

[@YaroslavNechaev]

law allows the president to ban any platform that fits the statute. If that new platform will have more than 1m monthly active users - the president can just ban it. The law is not just about TikTok

[@PenellopeSweetz]

Thank you for not using ironic

[@diamond_h0us]

It scales with the potential harm. If 5000 people are using a Chinese app it doesn't pose a national security risk. Highly doubtful that the vast majority of children that were using TikTok are using a app with Chinese letters as the name.

[@cynister7384]

​@@YaroslavNechaevHow dystopian.

[@YuriIsami]

not really, on red note you can't talk politics, unlike tiktok. If they actually cared about your data meta apps would be the first to go

[@JazzyK3000]

As of 1/19/25 at 2:45 pm (CT), TikTok is back up with the following message, "Thank you for your patience and support. As a result of President Trump's efforts, TikTok is back in the US!" - I hope everyone remembers that Trump created this unnecessary debacle in the first place. He is no hero!! Furthermore, it's ironic that the party of law and order is vowing to not enforce their ridiculous law. I am not excited about the next 4 years.

[@elimlinrr6898]

Trump needs to be reminded that Tik Tok is a global app with more than a billlion users around the world, not just used by Americans. A US shut down will not change its popularity in other countries around the world ! How TikTok Usage Varies Across Countries in 2024: According to Business of Apps, as of October 2024, TikTok has an unbelievable 1.5 billion monthly active users worldwide. When it comes to demographics, TikTok continues to be a hit with younger generations with the most popular TikTok users being Khabane Lame from Senegal (age 24) and Charli D'Amelio from USA (age 20) with 162.7 and 155.7 million followers respectively. Globally, 36.2% of TikTok users are between 18 and 24 years old, closely followed by the 25-34 age group at 33.9%. But don't be fooled into thinking it's just for the youngsters - we're seeing a growing contingent of users in the 35+ category, proving that TikTok truly has something for everyone. How does this compare to other social media platforms? Worldwide, the number of monthly active users on the various platforms breaks down as follows: Facebook - 2.9 billion users worldwide KZbin - 2.5 billion users worldwide Instagram - 1.4 billion users worldwide Snapchat - 432 million users worldwide Top 10 Countries by TikTok Usage (Statista): 1. Indonesia: 157.6 million users 2. United States: 120.5 million users 3. Brazil: 105.2 million users 4. Mexico: 77.54 million users 5. Vietnam: 65.64 million users 6. Pakistan: 62.05 million users 7. Philippines: 56.14 million users 8. Russia: 56.01 million users 9. Thailand: 50.81 million users 10. Bangladesh: 37.5 million users What's fascinating about this TikTok statistics list is the diversity of countries represented. From North and South America to Southeast Asia and Eastern Europe, TikTok has truly become a global phenomenon.

[@NettanJuni]

This reminds me of the delay of release of Meta's Threads in EU because of our GDPR law which demands Meta to store the data of EU citizens within EU and they went toddler mode and threatened to remove Facebook and Instagram from EU and not releasing Threads. Yet here we are, apparently we have Threads now, we (sadly) still have FB and Insta. And I believe Meta collects WAY more data about it's users than Tiktok even would dream of.

[@Dexi]

Meta is the absolute worst on data collection. Especially FB Messenger.

[@Kaiheart]

​@Dexi And they've had data leaks and hacking too! So they're just as suseptible as any other company. Honestly, this just feels like twitter and facebook threw a temper tantrum over their users preferring tiktok instead of their janky sites and paid the government to shut them down. I don't even have a tiktok account, but I don't blame them for running off to rednote just to give these companies the middle finger.

[@bucketslash11]

@@Dexi yup, it says it's encrypted P2P but we all know meta has the encryption key and can read everything

[@MrBrock314]

It's not about the data collection - it's about who has access to that data and what they will do with it. The US government doesn't care if your data is compromised to make money, they only care if it's compromised to damage national security.

[@bucketslash11]

@ except China haven't bombed a country in 40 years, while the US has been at constant war for 40 years, don't fall for the national security excuse, this is all about data and market competition like in 80s when the US automotive industry was losing to the japanese industry and they closed the private import market to get rid of competition

[@youthere322]

I don’t like the law, but both current and future presidents just being like ‘we won’t do it’ is also extremely upsetting. Why is congress here then? For looks? I know that the government has been malfunctioning for a long time. Stuff like this is just so frustrating and scary when the literal leaders of the country just disregard the fundamental way the government is designed to work.

[@Polku-hl3zr]

Rise Up!

[@catplant9726]

Biden was already doing that with arms sales to Israel. It is very much illegal under US law considering Israel's blocking of aid, human rights violations, and kidnapping of Americans

[@LeoHKepler]

For one the fundamental operation of the US government, as it was designed to operate, excludes the idea of "leaders" to begin with. I think that right there is the kind of bullhonkey they've convinced people of that began this degradation. Its also worth noting that you have it backwards; presidents have come and gone, said all manner of things regarding this legislation, and none of it mattered. Congress had it's sights set on doing exactly this for quite a while, has been pursuing it uninterrupted through two supposedly polar opposites of presidents, and got its way. Congress still runs the nation, its *presidents* that are for show. And that show has obviously worked quite well when, no offense but, you and most of the nation seems to think presidents run the country, and that any of them, especially presidents, are "leaders". Ya wanna be lead... here ya go. This is what we get when most of the country seems to desire oh-so-very-much to be lead by the nose by a gaggle of eejits.

[@Giuseppe_1994]

Senate drafted bill in October 2022, Biden signed it 8 months ago, and scotus voted 9-0. The date to go into effect was 01.18.2025. “Biden says he won’t enforce” what? He won’t be in office. Smh.

[@woadblue]

The American people are not even close to being angry enough.

[@RoseKeely]

If they are getting rid of tiktok, how can I sue Facebook and Twitter/X under the same reasons? Since the companies are privately owned how are we sure our info isn't being sold to foreign enemies?

[@eno2870]

You can't, and you seem to have entirely missed the point of the ban. The ban isn't about preventing foreigners from getting information about you. It's about preventing you from being fed information by foreigners. Specifically, foreign powers with a hostile relationship towards our nation and its people.

[@davidrodger9667]

@@eno2870 So x/ twitter should be banned then as us citizens are being fed misinformation by a foreigner?

[@ccricers]

Ironically this makes them look more like China's government, as they ban a lot of websites coming from the US.

[@63saruman]

facebook, twitter = absolute garbage (the small letters are intentional).

[@thatnerdyouseeeverywhere7536]

⁠@@eno2870 Russian Bots on Facebook intensifies. I’m sorry but that still doesn’t hold up at all.

[@TravJam317]

Who else didn't see Trump "saving" TikTok so he could benefit from looking like a hero pretending to fix the problem he himself created? It's number 4 in the conservative playbook: Create a problem, tell everyone how awful the problem is, "fix" the problem you invented, claim victory for fixing problems.

[@petergurn1717]

He’s already president why would he need to fake a solution just to garner support he already has 🤡

[@kathode1]

idk if you know this but the whole country does not support donald trump

[@4EverJayce2020]

except they never actually "fix" the problem. they just claim to fix the problem as the problem continues to get worse.

[@b.w.9244]

@@kathode1 Just the part of it that counts, it seems.

[@anthosm]

​@@kathode1the majority of the electorate does.. that's not much better..

[@RiksGamingChannel]

the fact that people are moving from TikTok to RedNote is pretty much a great analogy for "out of the frying pan and into the fire" lmao

[@KoopaRipper-dk8sz]

This invisible character reverses all text ‮ just like that,

[@Someone-by6jm]

why

[@appa609]

​@KoopaRipper-dk8szit's Hebrew isn't it?

[@stellasilverr]

yep. it's the streisand effect

[@DaddyBiscuits]

People should switch to paper. Actual paper.

[@MohWachid-n4h]

Bro i saw this one clip, a senator asked the ceo of tiktok " Are you Chinese " And the ceo responds "sir i am singaporean " And the senator asked "have you had any contact with the Chinese goverment" Or something like that, and the ceo says "sir i am singaporean" And the senator just keep going,i think the ceo is singaporean guys 💀💀

[@Ralfydee]

Word that was a weird exchange but “I’m Singaporean” doesn’t answer the question of having contact with the chinese government lol its like if somebody asked if he had ever been to mcdonalds and he answered by saying that he likes to jog, both things can be true

[@bullpup1337]

he might be from singapore and still be a ccp plant

[@DeadlysinzZ]

@@Ralfydee Wrong analogy, it is more akin like a police ask if he stole a jewelry just because he looks like a certain race but he have not entered the shop even once at all. Which is just plain rude by stereotyping and that accusation should be illegal

[@--enyo--]

Oh man, I saw that. It was excruciating.

[@blkgirlmagictv]

Our country is slow, education is trash🙄

[@ArtimSequoia]

We really need comprehensive data privacy laws here, but our Congress is too in the pocket of billionaires for that to ever happen.

[@jamesrushmoore7999]

This

[@colbyboucher6391]

They wouldn't even need to be in their pockets, that's good cattle-herding data.

[@m0L3ify]

My tinfoil hat conspiracy is that Google and Facebook teamed up to lobby congress to ban their biggest rival and that's why it's a specific ban instead of generalized privacy protections. Because it's not like foreign governments don't use those other platforms to spread propaganda and disinformation.

[@HR-wd6cw]

It's actually not the billionaires, but more so the government. They would have to limit their access to our data, and they don't want to do that.

[@emiliereal104]

The fact that there were cartoons of the senate being in billionaires/monopolist’s pockets back in the Industrial Revolution really speaks to how long lobbying has been happening.

[@spearofhope2]

It must be extremely alienating and depressing to be a lawyer. For your whole professional life to be bound up in these ideas like 'American Law' and precedent, and then as an adult to become increasingly aware that those are deliberately constructed lies, that they never mattered, that it was all a scam. That these are all just words that the rich agreed to say to us and each other while quietly doing whatever they want. Then you just find yourself shouting into the void about these rules that you unwisely had assumed would matter in real life instead of just in books and classes. My condolences. The money must help with those feelings though 😅

[@Matt92Machine]

The supreme court is like our parent telling us that they don't like one of our friends, and not allowing us to hang out with them. You can go hang out with Jimmy instead, but I don't want to hang out with Jimmy.

[@hirahiro2331]

😂

[@moths.asleep]

So sorry, this is completely off topic but reading that was way funnier knowing the game Mouthwashing 😭😭 Like me too dude. I also do not want to hang out with Jimmy Jokes aside, I agree with what you’re saying haha

[@emeraldaly7646]

Not Jimmy. Mark.

[@hirahiro2331]

@ right 🤣?

[@joethecook7260]

"HEY WE CAN ONLY SPY ON OUR OWN CITIZENS!"

[@Strat-Guides]

6:18 is this an editing mistake or did youtube force you guys to cut part of the video for monetization?

[@SireSmitty]

I think the pause was for dramatic effect

[@tybirous3417]

Oh that was 100% on purpose for us to think about the implications of the gubment purposefully withholding evidence for public regulation like this. It's more than just a little bit corrupt.

[@thx1085]

It scared me a little bit 😅

[@ShopSongs]

Probably a mistake

[@love_hw4ng11]

@@SireSmittyin the middle of a non-transition, though

[@fourviet522]

Welp this sure aged well

[@LG-bo5uc]

Go figure. If the government can’t control it, it’s gotta go. I don’t even particularly like tiktok, only hopping on it to see what my girl sends me, but “sell this thing you created and control to us, or you’re not allowed here” is crazy.

[@deathbysnoosnoo3713]

It's always been that way, are people just realizing it now? While I don't trust the US government, I'm not sure why others think that the CCP would never try to influence the US in any way. China IS a rival nation, there are literal actions by both parties (CCP and US/NATO) that make it clear they are at odds. As usual congress can't really actually do anything to give Americans actual rights online, but to expect the US will just let the CCP (the CCP would never allow US companies to influence China) to just farm data about US citizens. Tiktok is banning themselves, they refuse to sell off CCP interest (can they even sell it?) so they can go away.

[@raquelfantoni2812]

The government isn’t proposing to buy it themselves.

[@HR-wd6cw]

@@raquelfantoni2812 What they mean is they don't have access to it as in snoop on it like they can the other platforms, since those are US-based companies (FB, X, Instagram which is Facebook/Meta). Personally I'm more concerned about our own government and privacy than I am about than the Chinese.

[@michaeljamesm]

@@raquelfantoni2812 except that the government owns the billionaires that run the companies and vice versa the companies own the government through influence

[@elaexplorer]

It has nothing to do with the government controlling the data. It's about the billionaires, who control the data in the US, being mad that they're losing ground with the users and it affects their ability to sell advertising.

[@Bknowledge]

TLDR: the US gvmt is afraid that the PRC is going to use data collected by TikTok the same way US companies and the Federal government uses data collected by US based social media platforms. "The lady doth protest too much, methinks".

[@samg.5165]

I don't think it's much of a secret. Domestic government surveillance is generally considered more acceptable than foreign governments doing the same.

[@SapientGalaxy]

Yeah, now China will just have to buy the data from US companies since Trump passed a law in his first term allowing all our data to be sold on the open market. They sure are keeping us safe!

[@WilliamSmith-ps7uw]

China doesn’t allow Facebook for the same reasons that we’re shutting down TikTok. We’re literally just holding China to the same standard they hold our companies and people are getting knotted up about it. Instagram reels and KZbin shorts do the same thing folks, just let it go.

[@GoodLordNo]

@@samg.5165 I wonder why that is. Foreign governments have fewer tools to act on those data points against US consumers, than US and local business and governments.

[@nimrodery]

@@WilliamSmith-ps7uw The IDF didn't upload YT shorts, the evidence is on TikTok.

[@RealSaintB]

I am not a TikTok user, but as a news anchor and radio personality I am deeply troubled by the potential precedent this sets about first amendment protections. If they can ban an app off of everyone's personal phones based on claims about security concerns what else can they ban?

[@Ghent_Halcyon]

It isn’t claims of security concerns. They have asked for data several times, and red note is an app that is constantly monitored. God you people can’t research.

[@Sinzari]

​@@Ghent_Halcyon It literally is, did you even watch the video?

[@everythingisterrible8862]

Yeah yeah, we don't have rights we have privledges. The regime would rather burn everything to the ground, than give everyone healthcare.

[@DaddyBiscuits]

Poverty, homelessness, war, sickness.

[@tonzurakoite1768]

​@@Ghent_Halcyonall social media apps are constantly monitored. How naive can you possibly be?

[@kberanoyd]

The internet = this hasn’t aged well… a day later. 😂

[@dgoins6]

I was on my phone asking my friend about his minisplit system. Cost, installation, etc. Not texting, talking. I got so many ads on Facebook and emails about minisplits. That's creepy.

[@aidomiya3401]

Same thing happened to me. I casually mentioned to my friend that I wished I had someone to play Mario Kart with. An hour later I look at Instagram and get an AD saying “play Mario Kart locally at (city I live in)”. Safe to say I am scared to speak now

[@MoneyGist]

"What even are laws?" is a correct response to everything coming out of the US since 2020.

[@DogNamedWatson]

Since 2016

[@emeraldaly7646]

Since 1980. Arguably since 1789.

[@Marryjanesbud]

Laws only work if we all agree to follow them. I really don’t see how they’ll enforce this. U can still go on TikTok with a vpn. It literally only takes 2 secs to dwnld Lmao

[@Krazykahaan]

@@emeraldaly7646 Bro invented the word "Exaggeration"

[@zombies4evadude24]

@@Marryjanesbudeventually vpns will be banned.

[@ravindrabisram137]

What I want to know is WHAT data are we worried about them collecting?? General demographic info? There is no data on TikTok that isn’t blown out of the water by what Meta collects

[@rinahk3407]

TT has content and info about gaza that have been banned in Meta

[@jedispartan]

Meta is not controlled by the government and does not share data without a court order. Huge difference. This is a national security issue.

[@bucketslash11]

@ Meta just buys the government so that it can kick out the competition

[@shosc16]

Meta is a private company. In the Us. tiktok is Chinese owned, and the data is accessed by the Chinese government. It isn’t about the kind of data, it’s about where it ends up

[@salemlikesramen]

@@shosc16it is about the kind of data. because what is making it so dangerous? does them knowing i googled “how to tie a tie” at 4 am interfere and put us at such a disadvantage, when our own government take way more from us. it’s giving the energy of an older sibling. “i can bully you but others can’t.”

[@KiryuuYoshiya]

the irony of "muh free speech" and "collecting and selling private data" is not lost on me, nor is the expedience with which this was done 😑

[@TeamSoraPresents]

It's simultaneously hilarious, hypocritical, and completely in-character that Trump, of all people, has been claiming he would "save TikTok", when banning the app in the first place was _his_ idea.

[@LiEnby]

Cause a problem Make everyone outraged Solve the problem you caused Everyone praise you as their saviour That’s also litterally a tactic Hitler used … like alot ..

[@djharml3ss]

Yeah, I remembered back in the day when Donald Trump banned Huawei in the US, Hilarious and ridiculous.

[@LeoHKepler]

@@LiEnby I'd equate him more with Constantine. Of the three, Constantine visited more suffering on mankind anyhow. So far, anyways.

[@Giuseppe_1994]

But this bill was drafted in 2022 by senate and Biden signed it scotus upheld 9-0. It goes into effect right before Trump gets in office. He will be blamed and called fascist.

[@gogereaver349]

trump is not going to enforce the ban.

[@undeadRobby]

Now that the ban's in place and the app isn't working, I'm left wondering how this actually helps protect user data if I can't even access the app to, for example, delete my account.

[@spicyfood6943]

if the ban isn't getting reversed tiktok will likely be forced to wipe all US user data, they're not doing that and instead locking people out of the application to drive outrage and make it easier to bring everything back if the ban gets reversed or delayed

[@ookamiblade6318]

It was never about the data, it’s about the inability to control information about Gaza (this was said by people involved in writing the law) and that most of congress has a financial motivation to promote meta instead.

[@Foxtrot6624]

The US system of propaganda is different to the classic soviet style version, where individuals were expected under direct threat of the kgb to take state positions as the objective truth. US propaganda relies instead on heavily controlling public narrative through selective information. TikTok was a threat to national security because the US can’t manipulate it, not because they care about China getting your data

[@worldwidefunnyguy]

if you put your phone on airplane mode you can atleast delete your drafts lol

[@Icedonot]

Hi niko

[@venusmask]

It was never about privacy.

[@PonderingWaves]

I WAS ABOUT TO SAY LOL 😭

[@catseye1009]

No, it is about national security. If you have not heard the classified briefings on what the Chinese do with this app, then you don’t know crap. Sit down.

[@azwepay]

@@catseye1009 You think it is any worse than what Google does with the data you give it on the app we are on right now? Or do you feel safer knowing that info goes straight to Uncle Sam before/instead of the PRC?

[@ms3862]

Correct, it's about making sure government employees don't use TikTok because the CCP can see everything on their phones including the nuclear launch codes

[@redryan20000]

It was about the defense of the state (and the country's power), that should be pretty obvious.

[@silverfoxxarts]

It is crazy how everyone prepared their beautiful videos on TikTok being banned in the US with all sorts of information only for it to be in timeout for essentially a few hours.

[@TheHellishAngel]

It is still basically on time out though, sure it was unbanned but there's a couple NPR articles I read on how Google and apple aren't putting it back on their stores due to concerns that they'll get fined like billions of dollars in fines by Congress and a couple congressman commented and gave statements to the article saying that they would do that.

[@jonbob2]

“I have over 4,000 emails, photos, addresses… They trust me, the suckers.” Mark Zuckerberg, 2004

[@WoodEe-zq6qv]

Mark Zuckerberg never committed a genocide. The Chinese communist party has killed more than 60 million people and continues to put the Uyghurs into camps.

[@DarterDamselfly]

The biggest problem is with the supreme court. We should've never let a court that was supposed to be completely unbiased and neutral be able to be manipulated based on who was president when a justice died.

[@bobhanson1037]

Their bias is why they get picked to the court. It's never been neutral.

[@izilladkilla]

That's what happens when a political party selects a SCOTUS candidate not based on their devotion to the rule of law, but instead loyalty to said party and their agenda. In my opinion, SCOTUS should have a rule where each party can only select candidates for half the court. Keeping it neutral and preventing either side from packing it with loyalists.

[@nyalan8385]

@@bobhanson1037 which is the problem yes, as op said

[@georgehugh3455]

@@bobhanson1037 *SCOTUS was **_more neutral_** when candidates needed 60+ votes for Senate Confirmation.* Can thank Senator Majority Leader Harry Reid for that change....

[@robertjenkins6132]

They were never supposed to be unbiased and neutral. They were supposed to be on the side of the American people, defending our civil liberties from the Congress, which would seek to take away all our rights in the name of national security or some other nonsense excuse, and defending our freedom and economic interests from the capitalist class, who would seek to make us their slaves. (So basically, enforce the Constitution.) To have a Court that does as I described, the left must win elections to win control of Congress and the presidency, because those two branches together (president and senate, in particular) install the Court.

[@firefox-nm3rm]

Literally just opened TikTok and it was shut down. Went straight to KZbin

[@AlyssaSchiefer]

Same

[@THEMOMENTSHUB-12]

good

[@TomSeliman99]

​@@THEMOMENTSHUB-12 no

[@colint4772]

and that is exactly what google and facebook are hoping for, your data is now being collected, abused and CENSORED by American companies

[@queenolivia7924]

Anyone here after TikTok got unbanned😭😭😭😭😭😭

[@claudiajade624]

Its lowq key amazing to me that they can rapidly legislate to regulte social media/tik tok. But not like, guns. I guess organised mobilisation (and money) is a big part of it.

[@zombies4evadude24]

More Luigis and gun rights go bye bye. Maybe then the rural MAGAs will understand that the tech bros and other oligarchs are not on their side…

[@jsncrso]

Gun laws don't stop criminals. Cities with some of the most strict gun laws have some of the highest gun violence rates.

[@jardala251]

you want millions people and families lose their jobs and their food? its n industry.

[@RaidDK]

@jsncrso “Gun laws don't stop criminals. Cities with some of the most strict gun laws have some of the highest gun violence rates.” The most violent cities in the US. are St. Louis, New Orleans and Birmingham. ALL cities with terrible gun laws (because they are in red states and local regulation is preempted by state law) We are talking 10-20 TIMES as high murder rates as those in New York City. Outside the US. we have cities like London, Rome, Berlin - big cities with every social issue in the book - having literally 1/5 the murder rates of the US. Gun control works.

[@themanwis3332]

It's not even the 19th, and it's already down 😔

[@damonfitzo8741]

Boo hoo, you’ll live.

[@TylerMingo]

@@damonfitzo8741nah i can’t live without my tiktok, ion wanna be employed 😭

[@garretreed9709]

It’s cause of the time zone. They must’ve gone with New York time so the west coast got less time before the ban

[@watchyourlanguage3870]

@@garretreed9709I’m on the east coast and it went dark at about 10:45 PM here

[@CrazynessIsGenetic]

Good, you'll be better without it

[@Silas_Kow]

The people who interpret the law interpret and bend it however they want, the people who judge choose whose law they want to follow, and the person who has to enforce it seems to just choose not to simply because he can...

[@liamcollinson5695]

I feel like the world as a whole would be better without TikTok plus it's not really even social media any more and is basically the internet equivalent of them tv shopping channels that scam your granny

[@protocol6]

Doesn't the government usually use a euphemism like "deprioritizing enforcement" or something similar when they don't want to enforce a law but don't want to violate the take care clause?

[@georgehugh3455]

Yes, that's actually what makes it legal, as all law enforcement is pretty much a matter of resources and prioritization. The judiciary system has always given deference. Not sure how blatant NON-Enforcement could stand up in court, but it'll be moot due to the 270-day EO and plodding legal procedures.

[@ShinmaWa1]

The legal term is "prosecutorial discretion" and it's a long-standing legal doctrine that the government has discretion on which crimes it wants to prioritize. Keep in mind, this is the same legal doctrine that keeps the DEA from busting down the doors of pot shops as marijuana is still a controlled substance on the federal level.

[@CallSignGino]

The irony of a social media co arguing on behalf of free speech, yet social media company’s will scrub your speech pointing out that they are privately owned and you have no right to free speech on their platform.

[@j4yforces]

Take Elon Musk for example. Recently he got caught pretending to be one of the top players in a game, and Asmondgold covered the situation. Elon threw a shit fit, hating on Asmond on Twt and removing his checkmark (which will shadowban him).

[@zombiesingularity]

That is a completely different thing and doesn't matter because hypocrisy doesn't make their argument any less valid.

[@Whytedebil]

Shadow ban incoming.

[@Eevee860]

@@zombiesingularity Hypocrisy makes every single thing they've ever said less valid

[@Dexi]

It makes sense though... the right to free speech is that the government cannot limit your speech. If a private company (tiktok) decided to limit your speech on their platform, that is totally legal. However, the government is not supposed to be allowed to limit that private company's speech by banning their operations.

[@Wavebird97]

The issue I have with the ban is they went through with it, through the Senate, through the House. THROUGH THE SUPREME COURT, without ANY evidence it has, or has the intentions to be a security threat.

[@HeinzBakedBeans_]

When there's proof it's a security threat, it's too late. It's a security threat anyways, they might influence peoples views, they might use the data collected for their own interests. It's too big of a risk.

[@Chairdolf]

Wtf do you mean they have tones of proof ho watch china uncensored

[@Seasniffer1969]

I want my car manufacturer to stop selling my telemetry data to insurance companies! Tiktok is far less important on my list of consumer privacy

[@lina9535]

​@@Seasniffer1969 have you tried Incogni? It's supposed to help with that.

[@Very_Visible]

Its likely that Meta (Facebook) lobbied to have TikTok banned where it was a significant competitor to its own services. Let's be real here, why would the Chinese have such a large interest in American Consumer Data? ... What can the Chinese realistically do with it? And somehow everyone is convinced that there is a threat? Consider the massive amount of data the American government takes from you and from the American services you use? Consider, KZbin, Google, Facebook, Instagram, your devices? The NSA actively hacks and extracts data from iPhones (for example), and yet people are concerned a foreign government has their data?

[@JustBeingAlive]

Tik Tok is banned? … oh nooooooooo. Oh noooooooooooo. What will I do? Oh nooooooooooo… 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@pieterrosing6007]

To be fair the whole demand to sell to an American owner sounds a lot like Trump's "I want Greenland and Panama canal" using a hefty dose of Bush's "there's definitely weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, this is not about oil honestly"

[@DisgruntledWatcher]

The USA has a long tradition of piracy, in all forms. That many Americans aren’t aware of the extent or it is yet another example of America’s deliberately inadequate education system and indicative of the power of patriotic indoctrination.

[@urielc918]

Can’t forget the gulf of America

[@Jessie-t1b]

Toooo beeeee faaaaair!

[@Lucadnn]

No it doesn't.... What the hell kind of schizo connect the dots comment is this?

[@Ralfydee]

Im pretty sure the first person to ever mention a tiktok ban was trump and then biden just ran with it

[@DUHvendra]

Gotta love how inferences and hypotheticals are key for drafting bills/policies but impossible to speak on during any confirmation hearings lol

[@LabMatt]

TikTok isn't even banned in my country yet I'm getting blasted with REDnote ads all the time

[@DarthGTB]

I got one right before this video for the first time. Same here, my country didn't ban it either and the ad was in English.

[@I_AM_BAYTOR]

Why are you using the internet without adblockers?

[@twinkincarnate]

@@I_AM_BAYTOR Mind suggesting a good one then? Every one I've used stopped working or made my browser horrendously slow, lol. Please do not say opera, that nearly made my computer blow up

[@TheRealIronMan]

@@I_AM_BAYTOR Especially KZbin lol the YT ads nowadays are insane, like freaking multiple ads again and again and again all within one video, my old adblocker was outdated a few weeks ago for like 2 days, the ads drove me straight off YT until the adblocker got updated.

[@chesspiece4257]

rednote is probably taking advantage of the free press

[@OneBrokeBloke]

Video tomorrow: Tiktok is back

[@newusername-i4n]

That day was worst because you didn't watch sprunki

[@qazxswedcxzaqws]

In 2022 TikTok transitioned to hosting the data of all United States users to a US hosting company Oracle due to these same pressures from the US government. Oracle directly stated that no data can be sent outside their servers without their knowledge and they have direct access to the source code. This "national security" concern is bunk.

[@voorachter2733]

Duh, TikTok is unironically on it's way to become the #1 social media in the world. I don't use it myself but when a new store opens in up my town with a weird niche product it's 100% because of TikTok, not because of Facebook/KZbin/Instagram.

[@ScooterinAB]

Tiktok is banned because Musk doesn't own it.

[@jbird4478]

Storing data in the US does not preclude it from first being sent elsewhere, or from using the app for directly targeted espionage.

[@TrU_homie]

@@jbird4478who cares

[@neauxmad1048]

It's technically stored in the States, sure, but that doesn't mean it isn't routinely accessed from China. I can almost guarantee this ban wouldn't be happening if we didn't have solid evidence of that. And the evidence is likely classified because it could potentially reveal our methods of gathering it to China. Obviously we don't want that.

[@Henoik]

Writing law that specifically bans a named platform is like writing law that specifies a named person must be held imprisoned.

[@thanosianthemadtitanic]

your going to jail Henoik I already drafted a proposal

[@tyagagerson]

"its end" "its over" "its done" "finally over" "finally done"

[@TheGeekiestGuy]

Too soon, junior. It's already back. 🤣

[@DMBLaan]

I think the ban is both good and bad. The tldr on my thoughts is that I don't think it should BE banned, but I agree with a lot of the complaints about it. I think the better idea is instead of banning TicTok is to just make strict laws to stop ALL of these types of app, including Twitter, FB, etc, from collecting all this info in the first place

[@abbethythegreat]

Agreed

[@lord2800]

​@@JaykTheJackalunhackable is an impossible concept.

[@BlueRidgeBubble]

China wouldn't care about those strict laws, dude. Tiktok would find itself back in this exact position hahahaha

[@Lucadnn]

Sweet summer child, you honestly believe the government did this for your benefit? No it was literally just for national security reasons. They couldn't give a toss whether US data is being sold by US companies to other US companies, as long as it is all US.

[@neurofiedyamato8763]

​@@BlueRidgeBubbleExcept it won't because those laws require a degree of transparency and if they break it, then there would be legitimate reasons to ban it or fine it etc. Also tiktok has not leaked data to the Chinese government. It simply could be strong armed doing so. In other words the banning is preemptive and not because they actually broke any laws

[@perkodanny]

Watching this right now as the shutdown went into effect.

[@Izzy72494]

IKRRR 😞

[@conclf]

Not super important but at 0:23, the name "小红书" (Xiǎo Hóng Shū, which directly translates to "little red book") actually has nothing to do with Mao's "little red book", since "little red book" is actually originally a westerner's nickname of Mao's quotations. In China, people would either call it "毛主席语录" (Máo Zhǔxí Yǔlù, meaning Chairman Mao's Quotations), or maybe colloquially "红宝书" (Hóng Bǎoshū, meaning red treasure book). "小红书" (Xiǎo Hóng Shū) is not a way people in China would typically call the book.

[@iepineapple]

In fact, in mandarin the words are completely different, so what you and others said holds water

[@nicgb098]

Sure...pure coincidence, right. I have a nice beachfront property in Nevada to sell you.

[@iepineapple]

@ are you just copypasting this on every comment? You don't even speak chinese do you

[@nicgb098]

@@iepineapple Why would I need to rewrite different messages for the same propaganda when they only need the same response? Make that make sense.

[@nicgb098]

@conclf Yeah man! No, I completely agree comrade! It's pure coincidence that a Chinese app just happens to use the same well known, historical, and internationally used phrase. Surely no Chinese person would ever understand the implications of its usage to an English speaking audience. A complete coincidence, comrade. Now please, let me tell you about some prime beachfront property in Navada. An amazing view of the ocean.

[@natpaulsen8793]

Oops, plans cannot keep up with events again.

[@bertbaker7067]

"Free to say whatever you want .." _as long as it's not critical of genocide_

[@hotmess9640]

You’re noticing.

[@CESmith]

Genocide isn't advertiser friendly.

[@CathrineMacNiel]

@@CESmith it's really bad for the image.

[@Freak-yy]

I just wanted to say that people don't understand the word and this is like saying the UK committed genocide during WW2 by attacking Berlin indiscriminately.

[@CrazyYurie]

@@Freak-yy It's a word that is in real danger of becoming meaningless due to how it is being overused and abused by idiots.

[@ArtisticSoul347]

I'm so glad banning TikTok protected my data from being leaked or stolen from Meta social media and Twitter the next time that happens.

[@spectreshot8536]

So do you leave out Google, intentionally?

[@ArtisticSoul347]

@spectreshot8536 Yes, but only because I was specifically mentioning social media, which Google does not currently have a platform, that I'm aware of.

[@SennaHawx]

@@ArtisticSoul347 KZbin lol

[@ikaros110]

​@@SennaHawx lol indeed 😂 this comment made me feel very stupid for a hot second 😂

[@ArtisticSoul347]

​@@SennaHawx Oh right. 😅 For some reason, my brain wanted to count it as streaming instead.

[@Nightwalker86]

Does anyone else feel like nothing is consistent and everything is made up?

[@bryanpritchett]

All law and culture is made up.

[@Saviliana]

Because it is made up, why and how even that tictok had server farms in US soil operating by US employees and under US network security on looking list, in priority being monitoring by at least five of the US official national security authorities 24/7, using open sourced databases that based on US made software that had built in backdoor mendated by FBI and NSA, be still able to sending data to china, it is baffling how the situation be still presented to be a national security. There is absolutely no chance both tictok or anyone other than US government itself to be able to sent out any national security sensitive data to anywhere before raising every red flag and be shut down before they could start uploading a megabyte of data. It is literally impossible.

[@吳祐綸-i5g]

@@Saviliana You literally just explained why TikTok is being shutted down

[@TheRealIronMan]

@@吳祐綸-i5g Learn how to read.

[@吳祐綸-i5g]

@ You should learn how to read. I am saying that all the things the previous person stated to be "impossible," "made up" or "unthinkable" is exactly the reason why the US government is banning TikTok.

[@zinqhq.]

I’m watching from the future. TikTok was only banned for about 8 hours or so.