People are losing it over The Game Awards

[@LegendaryDrops]

How are POE and Warframe not in for best ongoing game? Over a decade old live service games beloved by their fans. Catch me live: www.twitch.tv/legendary_drops

[@robertkijek206]

The POLITICAL SELLOUT AWARDS. "The REAL Game Awards" is the real game awards.

[@M0n4rc]

I have no isshues with Shadow of the Erdtree making it in as a contender. That "DLC" has more quality content than most games. its absolutely massive. If it was just some average DLC id agree but I think it did enough to earn a nomination, should it win? no don't think so. Id give the win to Wukong personally. But the fromsoft devs deserved that nomination.

[@skitariisoldier7367]

LOL fuck Twitch.

[@jackpatterson8389]

kek you savage victim. 😁

[@AaronWOfficial]

Apparently free to play games aren't games, so they aren't included. Yet they will put a dlc up for nominee (shadow of erdtree)

[@smellthensing2221]

You cannot really examine The Game Awards without highlighting Geoff Keighley's singular obsession with attaining Hollywood's approval.

[@christianalanwilson434]

Yep, and when most of the media outlets serving as judges consistently express their disdain of gamers and gamer culture, its no surprise that people are roasting it.

[@craig9365]

Who cares about the game awards period? They've always had awful awards anyway. Y'all are weird. Have your own opinions ffs.

[@irishijo1]

​@@craig9365 Someone didnt watch the video. Its not that the Game awards matter to the people attuned with videogames and the culture, it matters to the people outside looking in. And when the people outside looking in are seeing something like a DLC, it feels irrepresentative of what we the players actually like and enjoy. When we see journalists like Variety and NPR and PRIDE making up the 90% it feels less and less like we are the ones being represented, but the people on the outside are. It creates a rift, and eventually the rift will grow to the excesses that it has for the Oscars or the Grammys, where everyone knows its rigged and so they dont watch it.

[@koryhelm8515]

He's basically Comic-Con Ryan Seacrest or something.

[@moosiemoose1337]

Geoff needs that diddy money

[@gaius2451]

I dislike the Game Awards, it pushes gaming closer to a Hollywood like culture, which I am adamantly opposed to.

[@DeathsInverse]

Not going to lie you don't have to watch or comment about them then

[@angelgomez7081]

Don’t watch but you will

[@Casavo]

That's the unfortunate reality. Gaming has finally become mainstream and that means it's finally become an "industry" with all the cons that intells.

[@angel_of_rust]

@@DeathsInverse even if he doesn't watch it, it's still happening. everyone should stop watching the awards then, but that's a lot harder than saying one person should stop

[@DeathsInverse]

@angel_of_rust just because something is happening doesn't mean it has to affect you.

[@TurtleChad1]

They should have made a separate category for remakes and DLCs

[@Jodariel.]

there was no remake in the goty category, tho..

[@DragonKnight90001]

Agreed it’s the simplest solution to the problem, dlc of the year, remake of the year.

[@MeltonCrest]

@@Jodariel. FF7 Refake IS a Demake.

[@Jodariel.]

@@MeltonCrest Factually a shit opinion since it sold like hot cakes and people loved it but okay. lmao

[@87agomes]

@@MeltonCrest Hum, not really. The new FF VII story actually deviates from the original. Its not a remake anymore, but a "Requel" in a alternate universe

[@TiffanyBenson-q8y]

"Best Ongoing Game" is deserving of "No Man's Sky" and hardly needs to be questioned. In the history of gaming, no greater commitment to reviving a game has ever been made.

[@Morfe02]

Warframe cough cough i mean at least this last year with 1998 which looks really cool than other updates about lore

[@Snakebyte42]

Final Fantasy 14 says hello.

[@drteska97]

Don't forget Rogue Trader, game is excellent right now compared to day 1, and Wrath of the righteous got updates almost weekly

[@dudebruh8534]

@@Morfe02 Warframe definitely has a second place in the list of best ongoing game category, but No Mans Sky is just a better underdog to root for. Both are extremely dedicated, the only difference is that the devs in NMS fixed it under worse circumstances.

[@thechugg4372]

@@Morfe02 Imagine comparing a free 2 play full of MTX game to a game you paid for once and it's getting a never before seen amount of content updates

[@vercogaming3997]

I think No Man’s Sky not getting a nomination for best ongoing game is stupid. Every update has been free and it’s such a fantastic game.

[@SupMonkey]

Boring walking simulator where you wait 3 seconds using a laser gun to collect a material and then explore planets that are somehow less interesting than starfield's.

[@TheMinskyTerrorist]

no

[@qu1253]

You realize that No Man's Sky's success is why it's just expected that new games will be broken and unfinished on release, right? It being a decent game now does not and should not excuse the fact that it was bare bones with next to no content at launch despite not being labeled early access and costing $60. This is the only industry where you'd ever get away with that. Try releasing an unfinished product in business software with the promise of finishing it later. You'll be neck deep in lawsuits.

[@rickycool6083]

@@qu1253, you realize that we are talking about the "best ongoing game," and it has been an incredible success for a long time now. And you rant about business sw doesn't even make sense, we are discussing videogames here, Cyberpunk also won tons of awards, outlaws and Veilguard are also nominated, among many games are either still broken or were broken and incomplete on launch. No man's sky fully deserves the title by merit, but at least a nomination, literally the gaming community as whole agrees with it.

[@rickycool6083]

@@SupMonkey Except its not and its everything that the fans wanted, and more importantly its a good game which has incredible free updates. Also more boring than starfield? lol okay.

[@darkmega97]

the game awards are good for one thing, getting on a call with friends and talking shit about everyone and everything that shows up

[@arturoz6547]

Oh, and make it a drinking game and you are golden!

[@Belmont1714]

Especially the cringe/awkward moments😬

[@theredblooper]

Exactly, its fun to revel in the chaos of it all, and then move on a few days later after the fun’s over and people have moved on with their lives

[@Mish_Age]

@@arturoz6547Take a shot every time when you hear “excited” on TGA. You are not going to watch till the end 😂

[@arturoz6547]

@@Mish_Age Wym? I am no quitter, we are watching the awards from the hospital wohooooo

[@EldenPeasant]

Steam should just host their own awards show using their stats and votes from people who actually own and played the games

[@D3adCl0wn]

Good in paper, but as of the previous Steam awards, some categories just get trolled. For example RDR2 won best on-going game.

[@thecompanioncube4211]

@@D3adCl0wn 4chan is too powerful in such scenarios. You can't take such risks

[@tjbrody]

Except they do their own game awards. The winners every year are ridiculous because Reddit meme lords get together and stack the votes

[@gordonfreeman1163]

@@D3adCl0wn Yeah and Starfield won in the innovation category I think that's the problem with letting just anyone vote: people could start trolling or just voting for any popular thing, not the best thing.

[@OBEYTHEPYRAMID]

that is so true ! Just for that this game awards are a joke. You can vote without ever proving you actually played it....

[@samtrixOutHands]

"We should celebrate game being kept alive trought updates" *Warframe not getting nominated for ongoing game nor community support after running 10+ years with FREE updates adding as much or even more content than any other live service game with it's DLCs* *Destiny 2 getting nominated after literally deleting PAID content and being constantly declining*

[@windrider2190]

Warframe > Destiny

[@goldenshadowproductions]

THANK YOU. I was bitching about this all night

[@LifeCompanionDogs8083]

Warframe devs do not buy their accolades unlike Bungie.

[@alus992]

Add also paid keys for the legacy content (dungeons) that is not discounted...ever because it's paid with ingame currency. And a game that has one of the worst UX in the industry: onboarding for the new player is terrible, price of admission for the new player is terrible, UI is terrible on console and most of the time in this game you sit in the shitty inventory menu fighting with the UI instead of playing the game.

[@chelsthegameruiner8669]

The irony is that Bungie has never won those awards to my knowledge. Its always been FFXIV (except last year when it was BG3). You'd think Bungie would take a hint and realize that if they did what FFXIV did, they'd win those awards but they instead choose to piss off the fanbase. I swear, they have a humiliation kink at this point. I don't see FFXIV winning anything this year due to Dawntrail not being recieved well but it would be pretty funny seeing it win

[@thelovelyredbones6364]

I want Black Myth Wukong to win this year so badly. Not just to spite the "main stream media", but it actually does deserve to win for it's amazing cultural significance, artistic direction, gameplay and celebrating a wonderful rich story that bridges the gap between the east and west. Wukong made it's way to the west and let's mark that amazing game for doing and setting what other games should be doing and leading the charge into the next era of gaming. Black Myth Wukong FTW!!!

[@Bambeakz]

Well good luck because the gamer votes count for just 10% and the other 90% exactly by that "main stream game media"

[@HollowKnight21]

Would happily vote for it if it wasnt so clearly mid.

[@The_Lord_Vader]

I am a Helldiver through and through, but even if that game was for game of the year nominee, I would still pick Wulong for its impact on gaming this year.

[@darianstarfrog]

Just the fact the fact they had not ever made a triple A ever before.. only with experience from mobile games..I'd say that's definitely a good reason for them to win..same goes for Stellar Blade

[@gigahertz7352]

IGN: "But the playerbase are mostly chinese only", yep they're not discriminating cause chinese people aren't considered gamers by their standards

[@Wonback]

The fact that Warframe still is not nominated to ongoing game and D2 keeps getting nominated year after year after all the shit they´ve done to the game and the players says it all

[@object-13]

Yeah, I'm a long time destiny player. Or should i say "was". Game is unenjoyable, unrewarding, story nonexistent. Player count is all time low too I think.

[@ricardotaut7498]

Very reasonable take on all this! The biggest issue is those 10 % we can add versus the 90 % of media outlets. You said those awards help to highlight what players want and send signals to the industry, but the imbalance in voting power counters that so massively. Stellar Blade and Space Marine 2 were LOVED by almost everyone who played them. Yet Star Wars Outlaws got nominated for the same amount of awards, if not more. I mean... Seriously???

[@Darqion]

Outlaws? hahahaha.. wow, yea that is painful. I havent played any of those 3 games, but i've seen enough of all of them to know that shit is backwards.

[@harry.t9523]

When Donald Trump gets into office, there are going to be some Big Changes.

[@qu1253]

I don't know, Space Marine 2 fell off pretty hard after launch. It was a big deal for about two weeks and now no one really talks about it. On Steam, it's struggling to maintain 5 digit player counts. Not that that makes it a bad game, but I think a lot of people are overestimating the impact it had. The campaign was super short, operations mode (the main PvE content after finishing the campaign) had next to no content, and multiplayer was lackluster.

[@rahmathadi855]

Not to mention that these media outlets are no longer reliable on their opinion on game quality. Games like star wars outlaws, concord, and veil guard show how media outlet are extremely biased on their judgement on their reviews. Instead of reviewing games objectively based on factors that actually matters like gameplay, story, graphic, pricing, etc, they rate them subjectively based on things that don't matter. Oftentimes, these media will care more about who made the game instead of how the game is

[@jesperburns]

I agree. But you need some way to filter out voting farms, social media movements and only count people who have actually played the game. And then you probably need a 1-10 voting system to make smaller games able to compete.

[@captainseagold3559]

I sincerely hope 'The Real Game Awards' takes off. We need an award show of, by and for the gamers, rather than of, by and for corporate.

[@Juggs009]

**Sees paywall to vote** Nah I'm good dawg

[@BARDI77]

@@Juggs009 yeah as much as a like the idea of a game awards made by fans I am to poor for that, it would be cool if the youtubers that are involucred with that ad something like an option where people can gift subscriptions to other viewers on the streams they old for the votations instead of VIP or subscriptions or whatever twitch and youtube does

[@Aciarr]

is that not just the steam awards?

[@RedShadowOfSaturn]

@@Juggs009 *Sees the horrid and putrid taste the judges have in gooner bait and culture warring nonsense, with such hollow awards as 'Best Jiggle Physics,' 'Sh*tty Game of the Year,' 'Worst Game Journalist,' 'Waifu of the Year,' 'Worst Bait and Switch'* Yeah, I'm out too, that looks terrible.

[@darrylaz3570]

That becomes a glorified popularity contest, AND being paywalled?! Yeah no that is a textbook definition of a scam, and ironically proves why Geoff employs the 90-10 judging criteria

[@Robb_in_Oz]

gamers have been asking the right questions since gamergate, the journalists and media have painted gamers as ists and phobes ever since claiming we are "problematic", we weren't then, but we definitely are now...

[@stanboyd1]

self-fullfilling prophecy, shove shit down peoples throats and tell them they must love it or they are a bad person, and then call them a bad person when they say they are sick of it. Like in canada we legalized gay marriage in 2003, and noone cared because it didn't affect their lives in any way. what you do in your home doesn't matter to me. Now we have 3 entire months dedicated to the lgbtq+ crowd, we have rainbow sidewalks everywhere, every school and government builiding is flying rainbow flags outside, and every floor in every hospital has rainbows pasted on every wall, every major business has rainbows plastered around the store etc etc etc, and I am just so fucking sick of it that yeah I am starting to hate the lgbtq crowd whereas 10 years ago I was just indifferent.

[@LocksAndChains]

The hilarious irony is that a substantial portion of us belong to the groups we’re supposedly ist and phobic of. And we’re right there with the rest of you, calling this shit out. But I guess we’re invisible cuz we don’t tote the party line. Or we’re “internalized phobic” towards ourselves.

[@dannysmi7162]

Oh, I’m not problematic. Nothing wrong with hot woman and fun games.

[@Fleshbag453]

@@dannysmi7162 Well, by their standards we're all problematic for not just shutting up and accepting what our "gracious" lords and ladies, primarily ladies if they have their say, let drop off the proverbial table.

[@P1XeLIsNotALittleSquare]

imagine never sharing your opinion on the games publicly and suddenly half of game journos start calling you a bigot? like wtf?

[@Stevo.100]

Here's what's happening, they want DLC to be considered a "game" because their next intention is raising the prices of DLC, which is already far too expensive as it is. They've raised the price of games, next step is raising the price of DLC and they'll repeat the process until it causes a crash. If you don't think this is happening go and look at beloved INDIE TITLE Factorio which released a DLC at the same price as the base game. Yeah, it wasn't Triple A games that did it first, it was an indie game. That same indie developer also refuses to put the game on discounts. People have this idea that indie developers are gonna "save us" from the money hungry AAA developers, but as someone who is an indie developer and is in those closed off forums and servers, trust me, they aren't here to save you, they're here to take money from you just like the AAA studios and I've seen the conversations and they love fantasizing about how creative they can be at taking it.

[@markwatson8714]

You're about 15 years too late for the 'DLC is the same/more than the base game' wagon.

[@1God1Fury]

Price and DLCs is not the main reason why people ditching AAA and go for indie games. It's about moving away from AAA because of slop of a game thy make, politics, DEI, lack of creativity, microtransactions and many other reasons

[@InternetHydra]

“Trust me” No.

[@Sucaru667]

The dev of Factorio released a DLC for the same cost as he sells it, but the base game alone is half the price of modern AAA games and has multiple times the value and quality for those of us interested in the game. It's more than fair compared to the complete slop that AAAs have been trying to feed us. No one is asking to "be saved" from buying products. We just want those products to be good and worth the money they are asking. Factorio, DLC included, fulfills those requirements for us.

[@djohnsveress6616]

I lost my shit over two things, first being the 90% jury vote power, wich is self explanatory besides one point of contention i don't see discussed is that it will lead to doubt, even if a game wins that the majority would have voted for, it will create natural doubt in the system, because before even if people were salty over the winner, it was innately understood that's what the majority voted for, you can call them the dumb vocal majority, but as a matter of fact their votes were more and that was the end of it. This time it will be such Drama regardless of the winners. The other being, the expansion on the GOTY. Most Elden Ring fans i saw, not counting a sliver of a slice of unhinged people that literally haven't played a single game for a decade other then fromsoft games. Most fans myself included do not like the idea of a already established title winning the GOTY award. While some people argue that Witcher 3 Expansion won Best RPG therefore what's the issue, it's revenge time but i argue that's not even in the same ball park as GOTY and the comparison does not make sense to the degree but sure, put it on the table, a 2016 award argument in the 2024.. We should have moved forward not backwards. My hope for GOTY would be Wukong, it doesn't have to be for everyone, but i think the sentiments of the why's is shared by most, that it's a first title of a new studio, that it brought a so far unseen culture in the west to the main stream of the west, that people have been able to experience the Chinese Lord Of the Rings thru the game, and most importantly that every aspect of the game wheter it was up to your taste cannot be argued it was a labor of love for the project. I personally find that Wukong was robbed from a few sub categories it deserves to be in like the Score, and the visuals. Does it have to win them ? No, but to not be even included even without the cinematics is just rude but with cinematics included it's just a crime. Now, i do not think it has to win every category, after all being nominated is a prestigious title alone, it will appear in the searches years later and will boost the reputation of the creators. I just think it's odd it only appears in two categories (Action combat and GOTY, nothing else even tho many have finished the game with the sentiment that it was a gorgeously made game with plenty of heart) where as some of the games appeared in over 5 categories.. No shade on Astrobot or Balatro but it's a bit much the glaze this two game gets, games are for fun and this two achieves it perfectly but they get score, they get the visual category, they get, indie, small studio, first title, and GOTY nominations.. That's just nuts. I'm happy that it's at least there but just the message all of it sends is misguided i feel.

[@thechugg4372]

"This time it will be such Drama regardless of the winners." why? in case you didnt know the game awards have ALWAYS been 90% jury and 10% community vote, it has literally never changed for years, and the only year that really got any drama was when Sony paid for TLOU2 to sweep every category (Which to this day is still the most obvious example of having the awards rigged)

[@vitaliyred622]

Geoff Keighley's singular obsession with attaining Hollywood's approval is so ironic considering that he kept saying and pushing that gaming industry is better and greater than movies. In the end the movie problems of messaging and pandering have come like a cancer to the gaming industry and it will leave no sooner than it leaver Hollywood.

[@planetdustbowl4825]

not to mention they have released only a handful of watchable movies in the last 15 years

[@qu1253]

@@planetdustbowl4825 And Disney is planning ANOTHER live reaction remake, this time with How To Train Your Dragon. Hollywood is so creatively bankrupt it's not even funny.

[@MrMars-sb3yq]

​@qu1253 Universal, not disney.

[@irishijo1]

Yeah, that 90/10 split is an actual travesty, not going to lie. I've said it before, it should totally be something like 60/40 if they really cared about player input. With consumer vote only being 10%, its obvious they dont care about us, or only tokenistically care about player input. Which feels like most of the rest of the industry to be perfectly honest.

[@sharpfang]

At first I thought it's "A panelist's vote counts as 9 gamer votes" it seemed so ridiculous.

[@via_negativa6183]

It should be 60/40 weighted by consumer.

[@harrygeoffrion4520]

Its because the votes will be heavily botted no matter what measures they put in place. The fan vote can never be a large portion of the weighing for that reason. We have seen heavy botting every single year for the gamers choice category.

[@irishijo1]

​@@harrygeoffrion4520 It doesnt matter if its botted or not, 10% is still 10%. Its like saying my vote for the election is worth 90 times that of yours. Its unfair, and a slap to the face.

[@coltsm]

for what you say to be feasible it would need for a way to properly cathegorize actual consumers tho, because you can bet your ass that a lot of public votes are either bots, trolls or kids going in the bandwagon of their favorite streamer.

[@GeneralGroggy]

How did Warframe not get nominated for the best ongoing game.

[@Darkeus1]

Neither did Path of Exile, which is insane.

[@ksNanoSquid]

Especially insulting considering how poorly done the latest XIV expansion was.

[@Kaiza5150]

Warframe gets no respect, no matter how many people love it.

[@Armetar]

It's weird considering that Helldivers 2 got nominated for best on going when it literally came out this year and for like 6 months after release community of that game was crying how bad the updates were

[@DeshawnBrown-ss8zh]

Or the first descendant......

[@rule665]

Who gives a shit about Balatro or Erdtree. Why is Manor Lords, an early access game, in the nominations?

[@thechugg4372]

look it was a very boring year for games

[@derpaboopderp1286]

Balatro is generational. Its the new solitaire

[@malcolm_in_the_middle]

Good point.

[@shazmodeus2795]

My guess is Wukong was definitely not included in the GOTY category given how IGN had their nominations... before November 5th. Then the election happened and they had a "oh f**k" moment, then scrambled to include Wukong and Stellar Blade in several categories.

[@j.p3701]

Bingo!!

[@Roe777]

Nah it happened when it sold 20 million and Geoff got his China check

[@raics101]

I mean, geoff isn't dumb, one thing is the awards essentially being a clown show, and a whole other thing to have the red noses and shoes out in the open. Someone probably sat down with the journalists, looked over the list and said 'a bit less left please'... 'that's better, now some more'... 'ok, we can get away with this much, here's your fee'.

[@taoliu7312]

Perhaps it's because "Wu Kong" boosted Sony's Q2 2024 earnings report.

[@Soshikix]

I love Elden Ring but this is no1 bs. If you can't play it by itself, it's additional content and not a game. Give DLC it's own award.

[@ledpowz]

not a game... "okay". didn't knew it is a movie or something. and yeah make a DLC award so we can vote on the best skin packs!!!!! great idea!!!!

[@Glitchyy07]

Would DLC fall under a Best Expansion Award or Best Ongoing Game (if it didn't have its own category)?

[@Soshikix]

@@Glitchyy07 Best expansion. Live service and DLC isn't the same.

[@Soshikix]

@@ledpowz Good luck playing a DLC without the base game.

[@Glitchyy07]

@@Soshikix My bad, thanks for the clarification

[@AProvocateur]

You forgot Stellar Blade and Space Marine 2 getting snubbed from GotY nominations

[@Gladissims]

That's fine. They still got nominated in other categories.

[@RekashalGames]

Space marine is amazing but doesn't deserve a goty nomination. It's a very very good 8/10 This coming from a MASSIVE 40k fan. They dropped the ball with lackluster story telling and it should have been longer. Can't go to a necron tomb world and tease with that when we won't be getting anything of the sort for years. Don't tease it in a 8 hour campaign like that. Also multi-player is meh

[@Viper40758]

​@@RekashalGamesi agree it should be longer and i would add that the multiplayer is very lackluster. However some of the other game of the year nominations are worse than SM2 in my opinion

[@psionicdongpunch]

Stellar Blade was one of the most overhyped and aggressively mid games I've ever touched. I will never take opinions from the Stellar Blade glaze division seriously again.

[@ChopperMeir]

Sorry but I love the old school feel of the multiplayer. I do agree though it isn't GOTY material

[@spectrophobia4042]

I dont undeestand why remakes and dlc dont just have their own category like ongoing games.

[@shinkenrock]

Go play both games first and you might get it afterwards. Either way, they won't win.

[@spectrophobia4042]

@@shinkenrock I have played both, doesnt change my opinion that they should just have their own categories.

[@nachro2190]

May have to do with the fact that things get a little wonky once you start trying to put things together. What counts as DLC? It can range from skin packs to entire gameplay expansions like SotE, so do we just call it the Expansion Awards? Then what about DLC that just adds stuff to the same map? What about soft-sequel DLCs? Story fixes like Mass Effect 3? And from that point forward, ask yourself, why not make an award for the best mods for certain games at this point? DLC, Downloadable Content, is far too broad in scope for it to have its own category. It'd be like a "best deleted scene" category in Hollywood

[@KamikazeChinaman]

@@nachro2190 There is not a single problem with having separate categories for all those formats other than you being obtuse. Expansions, Map Packs, Mods; all those things are distinct enough to be recognized on their own merit. So they can have a "Best Ongoing Game" category while lumping games and expansions together under "Best Game" but not a separated category for certain type of additional content at the very least?

[@nachro2190]

@KamikazeChinaman Yes, but the question is, much like the jiggle physics category, who wants to see it, and what is worth showing off to make an entire category? I'm not saying it to be purposefully obtuse, I'm asking what's the reward for doing so? It's easy to just say it, but actually executing it is another point entirely

[@kokroughtoss1257]

15:38 Here's where the video actually starts. You're welcome.

[@tjpopp8688]

If a DLC can be game of the year then any free content update should also be viable.

[@cloudy6256]

It would be so funny

[@leeturner7254]

Exactly with this mindset, GTA 6 bringing out downloadable content of skin updates every year would have a chance to be up for Game of the Year every year!!

[@Stevo.100]

I can't wait for next year's game of the year being "Patch 1.28: bug fixes"

[@5226-p1e]

please don't give them any more stupid ideas like this.

[@5226-p1e]

i look forward to the gaming flopped awards more than this stupid nonsense lol, at least the flop awards these game dev's learn something about their potential audience.

[@alansquared]

If Metaphor wins, if Black Myth Wukong wins then I’d see it as nothing but a good thing. Metaphor isn’t my style, but I hope its uniqueness and creativity serves as inspiration for future developers to be bold with their ideas. Black Myth Wukong seems to have carved its own niche just outside the “soulslike” tag and is already well loved. What I would say also is that if we don’t want DLC nominated, then make a standalone game as good as SotE. Just do that.

[@ledpowz]

a sane person, you make me happy

[@asumax8]

A little off topic but I hate Wukong being called a "Soulslike". In truth it is more in vein of a "Gaiden-like"(Ninja Gaiden). This can go for a few others that receive the "Soulslike" tag

[@alansquared]

@@asumax8 yeah, that’s fair enough, I guess it’s just an easy (lazy) way of describing it

[@codename_d3vl863]

That’s how I feel about Balatro, I don’t like the game but if the game is overwhelming positive on steam then I think it deserves Goty plus it’s an indie, and I think that’s awesome.

[@FloripesTavares]

You should try or suport Metaphor, sometimes you think that kind of game its not for you but when you try you see its something really good and that can appeal for you Give the demo a try

[@jrey800]

"I still think awards are stupid... but they'd be less stupid if they went to the right people" - Ronald Ulysses Swanson

[@Zayphar]

DLC? If you are going to allow that(which you shouldn't) then Witcher 3 Blood & Wine was definitely worthy of a nomination back in 2016. It was the first DLC that made me reinstall a game I had finished 6 months ago and replay the whole thing again.

[@1Sekiro1]

İt still a dlc and dark souls 3 better rpg than it

[@Zayphar]

@@1Sekiro1 Dark Souls 3 isn't an RPG. It's an action game with RPG elements...sort of. It's Soulsbourne game, a completely different genre than RPG. Most RPG players I know(except for 1) have never finished a Souls game. Many RPG players have started it(I know I have) but few RPG players make it to the endgame. In any case, the point I was (apparently badly) trying to make is that I agree with LD that DLC should not qualify for GOTY.

[@1Sekiro1]

@Zayphar dark souls 3 a rpg game. You can build and change character on your way. And you are right it's not a genunie rpg game but if you're compared rpg elements with witcher3 i think ds3 stands out more. But real rpg games like bg3, divinity origin, skyrim, oblivion

[@Zayphar]

@@1Sekiro1 I think we're just going to have to agree to disagree. I mean, your name is Sekiro which is a classic Soulsbourne game. So, I see your bias.

[@1Sekiro1]

@Zayphar no iam not bias. My nickname is sekiro because i like this game and soulsborne games. If a game better than this games i say. Anyway, as i said dark souls 3 is not a genuine rpg game like witcher 3. These games has rpg elements but if you ask which one better rpg? I choose dark souls3 because to me an indispensible thing a rpg game character building and variety. Of course witcher 3 action-rpg game but in witcher 3 you cant build your character but just develop your character and of course you can choose dialog that can shape the game on your way.

[@justin9744]

Geoff so desperately wants to be a Hollywood celebrity. The guy has overstayed his welcome.

[@bogustav]

50% Of the votes should be done by the people The other 50% should be done by a Jury that is actual Game Developers/Experts that have worked in the Industry. Not "Journalists" That would be a fair balance since then we avoid games winning because of popularity and also underrated games have chance to win.

[@ledpowz]

no, please not. people only vote for the games they have played. thats just stupid and it will just be an ego-approval award. or they will troll voting like we have seen with RDR2 on steam awards. sorry to say that, but people are dumb. (see the discussion about DLCs are not "games" etc which is just so retarded its insane, its about the experience delivered and not "how" the game is delivered...)

[@BodaciousDerb]

Im not sure i want game developers doing the voting. Not after learning who takes the higher up positions at major gaming companies. Veilguard and AC shadows really show how little care these people have for gamers.

[@theworld6710]

No. The point of having the experts count more is to avoid it being a popularity contest, and so more niche or artistic titles don’t get drowned out.

[@bogustav]

@@theworld6710 Yes exactly

[@funkymunky7935]

@theworld6710 So only the bourgeoisie can vote? GTF out of here

[@Aisaaax]

I'm also pleased to admit that I was wrong about Wukong being snubbed and DAV being nominated (and winning) multiple categories. However my trust for the industry is so low currently that I can't help but feel they're doing this for goodwill while they try to trademark "Game Awards", and that next year we will see a shilling resurgence I also hate the fact that 90% of decision making is left to the various journalists, most of whom are leftist AF and trashed Wukong with false allegations for months, and are now complaining that "This lowest rated game shouldn't have been nominated because we rated it low and you're supposed to listen to us". I think there's literally ZERO chance that it wins, given that the judges are all in on the smear campaign against it.

[@ghiffaribara2949]

I believe they are currently trying to entrench themselves, they know they can't do what they want (yet) so they want to be (or appear) as legitimate as possible without sacrificing their agenda too much. They are trying the long run game. I personally would never trust them, those journos behind the back needs to go away or try to reform themselves but that may take a decade to regain the trust for me and other gamers

[@fy4b230]

The jury are made up of more than 100+ global outlets. Only 1 of those 100 (screen rant) had a stupid review that gets meme’d to hell. Almost every other outlet gave the game an 8-10 out of 10. Lay off the culture war bullshit slop channels. They are making you sound like a bot/idiot.

[@angel_of_rust]

@@fy4b230 why would you lie like this? you complaining about the culture war proves that it is right.

[@fy4b230]

@ lie? Where’s the lie? I brought up the culture war because the OP literally said “leftists”. Calm down buttercup.

[@louisjackson8714]

Why do leftists want to smear Black Myth? I'm a leftist and have not seen anything about this game

[@KokotoHero-N3]

The fact that the same 5 games got nominated for every category shows how narrowminded their unqualified jury is, No Rest for the Wicked and Wayfinder not even being nominated for Art Direction is beyond insane.

[@fellipecanal]

No Rest of the Wicked, Palworld, hades 2 and others are in early access. I think they don't qualify.

[@KokotoHero-N3]

@@fellipecanal That'd be incredibly stupid if the case, since they're letting "Content Seasons and DLC's" be eligible for all categories. If hitting 1.0 is their hidden qualifier then V Rising should have been in the running this year as well, Christ even for GOTY.

[@calls7989]

​@@fellipecanalyou'd be correct. Those are not full release games, as such since they are in early access they are not Game awards material. Once they release fully then we can discuss

[@James-u1y]

@@calls7989theres one problem with this, we had a game that was in “early access” win fighting game I believe last year. So they need to refine their system. If I'm wrong I apologize but I'm pretty sure a game that wasn't fully released won that award.

[@Carts45]

​That is not remotely true, early access release games HAVE been in the running for categories. Youve obviously never watched the awards for very long if your not aware.... ​@@calls7989

[@MetalGamer666]

I don't think games that are in early access should get nominated alongside fully released games, either. Like DLCs they should be in their own category.

[@PrimeExcellence0]

The best action game category is basically our GOTY

[@TheMegaOnyx]

Regarding HogwartsLegacy... Players was confused when TGA didnt even got mentioned at all, but months later, they congratulated them, so the studio said basicly "Wow, now you saying anything at all" DLC should be a separate category, otherwise, studios will only aim for making passable DLC... Myself, the reason i watch it, is to talk shit with my friend, while waiting for new games or something like that...

[@Gladissims]

To be fair, Hogwarts Legacy was pretty mediocre. Not bad by any means, but also not great.

[@TheMegaOnyx]

@Gladissims But it was well recived, sold alot, but journos shat on it because the author had common sense... Sure, it maybe was mediocre, but it was sure as shit a good game in what it tried to be... Myself, i wanted... You know the game Bully? Imagine that premise, set at and around Hogwarts... I just wanted to be student at Hogwarts, doing Hogwarts things, but no, you were forced to be the chosen one...

[@Gladissims]

@@TheMegaOnyx What do you mean the journalists "shat on it"??? It sits at a score of 84 on metacritic. That's the critics score. The user score actually sits at one point below that. In no world is 84 a bad score. It's honestly more than I would give the game. I also wouldn't say JK Rowling has common sense but that's a different conversation altogether.

[@jjc5871]

@@GladissimsGet out from under your rock.

[@Gladissims]

@@jjc5871 Get out of your echo chamber and check the score yourself. It's overall positive. Those are the facts.

[@sebbo59]

DLCs should not be in the GAME of the year award

[@Henry12151]

They should when it's better than 99% of the games that came out this year

[@VampireNoblesse]

if a DLC is better than any other game of the year?.. and it sends the message to other studios, do better

[@VampireNoblesse]

but Eldenring DLC won't win..

[@Destroyerofcopers]

It should be its own category, we need some innovation ffs

[@8minato]

Yes it should

[@Oxlorne]

The Game Awards? **yawn** Who cares. As long as the media controls the winners it will never have any meaning to me.

[@LeftCross_]

Anyone who cares about quality should care. Give out awards to slop, more slop gets made.

[@ThiefofCrystals]

@@LeftCross_ That's an ouroboros we evidently can't really influence. Slop getting made will stop when we stop buying it, and now that people are voting with their wallets more and more I think we're starting to see some positive changes. Outside of that? Yeah I could give less of a damn what wins - though DLC being nominated is very clearly a result of Keighley's obsession with Miyazaki and shouldn't be allowed.

[@cheemslord9917]

@@LeftCross_ it never good to begin with

[@thecompanioncube4211]

@@ThiefofCrystals well no one bought DAV, but it was revered by "journalists" and touted as GOTY before people even got their hands on it. People made them know the hypocrisy that's why they understood to get in line

[@D3adCl0wn]

@@ThiefofCrystals "Voting with our wallets" will only ever affect sales numbers and not influence the industry in general. Despite 'slop' games failing recently, 'slop' games are still made frequently.

[@alphadevilll]

Balatro should win and that would be a huge slap in the face for all the multi-million dollar companies releasing "mid" games and getting away with it. Balatro is innovative, fresh and hell of fun. Like seriously if they have to include dlcs in the category just to make it intresting, you know games industry has run out of innovation and effort. Screw silent hill 2. It was Bullsh!t . Two enemies and the same two buildings, repetitive hallways. It was so bad. Wukong atleast has exciting art, graphics, and loads of enemies.

[@Cubix_tm]

For the DLC conversation, I look at it as if Shadow of the Erdtree was released as a standalone sequel people would have likely complained about reused assets and animations, similar graphic quality, and "lazy" development cycle. All of those arguments are wiped away with it being a DLC, this is not the same as a standalone title and it never should be considered for Game of the Year. A DLC of the year is a great idea though to allow praise for these follow ups in content.

[@LadyHermes]

I think the same, they should give DLC their own category.

[@munfri]

You cant play this "game" of the year unless you buy Elden ring Doesnt feel wrong to you?

[@Slvrbuu]

I'll be honest, I don't want DLC or expansions to be nominated for GOTY. That's all we need is the same few live service games winning it over and over again simply because they have the most players which is inevitably where this will end up because it's the path of least resistance. The ONLY exception I'd accept is a stand-alone expansion. If you could play Elden Ring's DLC without the base game, I'd accept it being nominated. And I've got 500 hours in that game, not including the untracked seamless co-op hours I've got too. But it's just another reason why I don't actually care about GOTY awards anymore. They are just marketing and vanity tools. Anything can be GOTY as long as the customer has no say, and the publisher gives enough 'incentives'.

[@allenwalker957]

0:54 Forget the Game Award. You, Sir, deserve an Oscar 🤣

[@EdwardPaulet]

This monologue was better writing than most of the veilguard 😂

[@Khann_2102]

​@@EdwardPaulet Most? 😂 All

[@javiervillanueva7016]

Was sad another crabs treasure wasn’t nominated. Constantly played and 100% it. It was fun, goofy, had a good level of difficulty when I just wanted to beat a boss I was under leveled for. It has good story and message while being fun and expressive.

[@Danceofmasks]

Whatever ... The game awards will FOREVER have no credibility ... after Sifu was nominated for best fighting game. Their "experts" literally know NOTHING.

[@harry.t9523]

Well I think it’s probably all going to change when the next president steps in.

[@SupMonkey]

Just because it's not multiplayer and doesn't have 138 long button combo's doesn't change the fact that it's a fight game?

[@Danceofmasks]

@@SupMonkey It is not a fighting game. Whether or not it's a "fight game" is debatable, because that is not a genre that exists.

[@SupMonkey]

@@Danceofmasks Ok, then what the hell are you mad about?

[@morkgin2459]

​@@SupMonkeyThat's beat em up or action game.

[@Voldrim359]

The DLC shouldn't be nominated GOTY because of the simple reason is the same game that we played years back but now with extra content, some of those people are throwing a fallacy over there

[@denisrivarola2387]

I take the "accesibility" Vailguard as a troll nomination.

[@coolorochi]

I will vote for concord.

[@BodaciousDerb]

If it wins we have confirmation that if companies pay enough they get the award

[@j.p3701]

​@@BodaciousDerbYou still don't see it that they most likely paid them to win just to get one or even 2 awards from his TGA Event. Geoff is INSANE bastard.

[@cecarter10]

My theory on why there is no dlc/expansion category is the less categories they have the more air time they have for Ads.

[@nicholashaywood7949]

1:14 send this man to Hollywood!!!!

[@colezeller4861]

It got me to like the video :)

[@X862go]

Just start here everyone 0:54 and get this man an youtuber Oscar 🎉

[@Evaldo_Souza]

Playing Devil's Advocate while drunk: the Geoff's game awards is a 10 years running show, who raised from the ashes of an older game awards, from a time where gamer culture was snubbed and bullied by a more powerful and established traditional media. The fact that he tries to approach this same media is a reflection of this history. Of course you can't change culture and contracts on the fly, just because now gamer culture is becoming main stream and the old media is starving. Every aspect of the Game Awards of this year screams at this problem, that they are build around gathering approval from an increasing irrelevant media industry, an industry that is now running after the gamers. It's like a cartoon chase, one that they are loosing. The media outlets nominated popular games and safe bets, while not understanding what are games and what people who care about them want. My opinion is that is time to find another game awards, build upon the values we like now. There is no industry standard, we already lost other game awards, there is no tradition, nor history to respect. Let the best win, in the battle of awards.

[@maxpower8429]

DLC shouldn’t be in contention if the base game already won an award

[@krythe2000]

DLC should not be in contention because ... it is not a GAME. You need to buy the game in addition to the DLC to play it.

[@KABLAMMATS]

​@@krythe2000 as much as i love fromsoft, yeah thats kinda whack 😂

[@ninjafohhiya]

I agree that DLC's shouldn't be included for GOTY, but neither should remasters or remakes. The only concession i might make is FF7 Rebirth, but the narrative bones are still just FF7.

[@johncra8982]

I feel like remakes should be eligible but remasters should not, and my definitions for both are the intuitive and generally accepted ones (I wouldn't consider the last of us remake to be transformative enough to move it out of the remaster category and into the remake category for instance). so Rebirth imo should absolutely be allowed to run for GOTY, even though the plot is the same (at least for anyone who isn't a copium-huffing aerith groupie), the game mechanics, systems, world design, everything has been completely changed on such a fundamental level that it's easily one of the most transformative "remakes" of all time.

[@levibull6063]

I wonder how many times people have bought skyrim .... how many times has that been re released its obscene

[@TonguelessDanny]

Good thing videogames aren't just narrative.

[@ninjafohhiya]

@@TonguelessDanny Hence why I gave the concession. 👍

[@unicorntomboy9736]

@@ninjafohhiya i disagree with the part about remakes

[@dercuwuin]

Next year they will say “we hear your feed back and made a DLC category, see we are good people (totally not because we must justify not letting monkey game win last year)”

[@vikan3842]

The voice of creators and consumers should be equally weighted, as one cannot exist without the other. Make the vote 50/50

[@attilab317]

I honestly wouldn’t have an issue with the just 10% player votes IF they had a proper Gaming Jury and NOT a bunch of gossip outlets. WTF !

[@AC-ut3nk]

They will try everything to make Black Myth Wukong not getting the award even to the point of using your favourite game DLC as a hostage. Most people don't hate it because the DLC is good but the fact that these game awards willing to change anything or any rule to suit their narrative is disgust me. They even want to copyright the word "Game awards" so that other people can't use it.

[@j.p3701]

You can blame Geoff and his organization team at his TGA for that. He is becoming an *INSANE* person right in our face to see. The TRUTH is he is not the one running the shows anymore.

[@HollowKnight21]

Uhm neat conspiracy but didnt we just see Wukong get nominated or was that my imagination? If they hated Wukong why go through all the hoops of nominating SotE when they could just outright deny Wukong a nomination. Even if they nominate Wukong for goodwill, they can also outright vote for any other game (FF7, Metaphor) without the need for putting up Elden Ring DLC against it. So I totally dont get this conspiracy theory.

[@j.p3701]

@@HollowKnight21 Because they are scared shitless that they might end up like Budlight *ABOMINATION*

[@chero666]

Little thing about "Palworld" is that it's not officially released. It's still in "Early Access"

[@jajurvonhohenzollern5542]

yet manor lord is in and also early access

[@khazzen]

If there was a dog, this apology would be taken seriously. 3/10

[@Astartes-6969]

It is a stupid list, but at the very least Black Myth Wukong is Nominated for GOTY. And it's IRONIC that DA Veilguard is nominated for Accessibility.

[@BioAlpha5]

"We should celebrate game being kept alive through updates" Yeah live service games, Elden Ring is not that. Pushing a unfinished products out the door, and updating them later isnt to be celebrated since that is also a thing that happens in the industry. DLC should have a category. Remakes and remasters should have a category.

[@Ciiran]

Why not just have a DLC/Expansion of the Year category?

[@cheemslord9917]

because they is lazy

[@IamJustA]

Because Black Myth Wukong would win

[@Dairunt1]

@@IamJustA I'm out of the loop. Why is it bad that Black Myth Wukong wins?

[@TheRealZiktus]

​@@Dairunt1 because the devs are evil and the game lacks diversity. At least that is the story the journalists would prefer you believe.

[@Ciiran]

@@Dairunt1 I think it's because BM:W devs allegedly want to murder/r*pe all women for having opinions or something?

[@patriot639]

The judges make no sense to you? It should make sense. The game awards has nothing to do about games. It is now all about lining the pockets of the people running the game awards. These judges make perfect sense if you think about how much these judges will increase the view/click count for their videos. It's an Incestuous and self-serving practice. We shouldn't care about the game awards.

[@SirLurkington]

The first thing that came to mind when I heard about Shadow of the Erdtree, Is there not a “Best Expansion” award? What a stupid question for a video game awards event right?

[@Glitchyy07]

I feel like it would fit under "Best Expansion" or "Best Ongoing Game", though I'm not too sure about that second one

[@SirLurkington]

@ Best Ongoing is for live service games. Think Warframe, Helldivers, Fortnite. Expansions would be things like Shadow of the Erdtree, Phantom Liberty.

[@Glitchyy07]

@@SirLurkington Oh mb, thanks for the explanation

[@kawatika]

I just find it disheartening that even thought TGA has shown itself to disregard actual gaming culture and gamers altogether, gamers still hold it in high regard every year. Yet at the same time devs do indeed benefit from being in it. It's like an ouroboros perpetuated by, as everyone said, Geoff's need for daddy Hollywood's approval. I truly wish devs didn't have to resort to this.

[@AymuM]

13:34 it's stellar blade.

[@daleahrens553]

Totally agree it is Steller Blade that is being Blocked!! It was dropped in the heat of the Communist Marxis DEI / WOKE Forced agenda and the Dev slap the extortionists and Queer enforcers straight in the Face!! Yes, Steller Blade represents the Masculinity driven community wants for hot characters, gory combat and Release from Political Censorships!! Steller Blade should have definitely got a nod for 1 of the top games in this year but seems to be buried in obscurity.... Good Call!!

[@Asriel_Cypher]

*People just suck at seeing the bigger picture with the Game Awards.* I do disagree with people saying "It's just a show" or that "It doesn't matter who gets the award" and that speaks a lot that these people, should be looking at it in a bigger picture. If a good game that we want to win, a Studio that we like- want to win, a Direction of the Gaming Industry that we want them to see, is what we do there. When a Game wins an awards and by the votes from people, it speaks to them that what we're saying above. We're saying we want more of this game. We want more of this type of game. We want more of good games. We want more of this studio. We want more of this type of genre. We want this direction of games. That says a lot for us and why are you people not seeing this? This is the bigger picture. This is what we should see. While there are many "technicalities" that was nominated like "DLC is not a Game" and stuff, it still says a lot of what we want. We want more DLC like Shadow of the Erdtree. Big expansions. We can vote for the games that are not Live Service. We can also vote HellDivers2 to say this is how we want from Live Service games but it's hard to say that when all they see is just the surface. So think about your votes if you want to steer it that way. Think just a little deeper. Even if it doesn't show them what we really say in our votes, some people, some studios, some big investors, might see that and that's should be the goal and the bigger picture.

[@vtxshiva]

Just a reminder that all nominations are done by their own committee and the winners are 90% decided by their committee (their rules, not mine). While I agree with your sentiment, the truth is the nominees are chosen by their own internal biases and politics, not by actual merit. Yes these two can regularly align, but not always, and even if they throw you a bone with some nominees, they decide who wins and can change the rules whenever they want to suit their needs (as evidenced by the inclusion of DLC in GOTY). The users voting only accounts for 10% of the total score too, so the only time our voice matters is if there is no clear winner decided upon by them, and we just end up being a tie-breaker. So yea. don't kid yourself, the voting is just lip-service.

[@Asriel_Cypher]

@@vtxshiva We can vote but the best way to spread the message of how we want things to be above, is just let the Content Creators speak about it. Simple. They have the biggest voice. We can vote but video and words and actions speaks enough already. The point is, *We can vote by other means.* Words of mouth reach online far and wide. Tweets. Posts. KZbin videos. Streams. We can vote in more ways than just what's in front of us. I never said we can only speak through this specifically either. We can broaden our horizon a little and use different ways. Not just votes by clicks on the website.

[@LucLightWolf121]

Well when the "bigger picture" is rigged, why watch? Go on. I absolutely want to know why I should waste my time.

[@Asriel_Cypher]

@@LucLightWolf121 I never said "Watch the game show" anywhere in my comment above. I don't think you're sober enough if that's what you think I said. If you're not sober enough, wait a little, take a good look and maybe read a little and understand it a bit more. Use what you have, and think a little bit more and maybe get back to me after that... If you're already sober.... then I'm the one who needs to get a drink because I get comments like this...

[@123Suffering456]

@@Asriel_Cypher You really discredit the good points you were making by personally attacking people asking questions about them, you know. Even if the guy asked you about something you didn't say. If you really are so intent on changing things and making a difference in the gaming space by voting in the ways available to us to manifest that change, I'd suggest you change the way you speak to people because people are a lot less likely to agree with someone's points and follow them if they see them pointlessly insulting people in the comments.

[@daringwolverin]

DLC should be its own category. The tone deafness of just shoving this into GAME of the year is staggering

[@ledpowz]

then make a category for FIFAs, CoDs and Assassins Creeds etc too... which beside the settings offer usually less some DLC do.

[@casbinwat]

​@@ledpowz it's still dlc, and when was the last time a call of duty, FIFA, or assassin's creed won game of the year?

[@ledpowz]

@@casbinwat ah yeah because the do not win, there shouldn't be a category. thats some logic! you started with special DLC categories and I think theres not much difference to updates, dlcs and standalone releases. its just a different kind of how the game is delivered. ongoing makes sense since its about the ongoing support of a game in general. this is about the experience delivered not HOW it is delivered.

[@casbinwat]

@@ledpowz it's an expansion, it's not a standalone game. You need to be significantly into the base game to even access it. The expansion is good, it's just not a standalone game.

[@jesseM138]

The fact that these activist games journalists see people who maintain neutrality and refrain from getting involved in the culture war as their enemies speaks volumes.

[@Gladissims]

"Neutrality" doesn't exist.

[@HellishHopper]

10:00 Says a lot about that garbage game when the only reason it should have been nominated was because it was a Nintendo game

[@SupMonkey]

Yeah I agree, the game is really good but it felt more like a filler nomination than anything.

[@MetalGamer666]

I think it's WILD that a game that got 9/10 (IGN) and even 10/10 (Eurogamer) from some of the biggest gaming sites isn't even nominated for any proper category! I don't think Veilguard deserves being nominated, but the discrepancy is crazy!

[@thealex232323]

If elden ring dlc wins, that means they changed the rules just so they don't make black myth wukong win

[@ledpowz]

yeah of cooourse!! but could you please tell me where I can get these nice tinfoil hats?

[@j.p3701]

Alot of people are saying that Elden Ring DLC might win the GOTY for the sake of not letting the Black Myth win the award because they freaking hate that game.

[@dezmundtv962]

if we're going to allow DLC to take GOTY then why do MMO's and their major expansion's (FF14 Shadowbringers in particular) that are much larger and better than the average game, never nominated that year? MMO's have their own category for that very reason, we drew the line there because those expansions are not games. Thus MMO's have their own category so they can still be awarded despite not being eligible for GOTY. i could agree with Erdtree being nominated if it's a standalone game but it's not, i's Elden Ring top to bottom, a bonified expansion. DLC should have it's own category. Elden Ring getting two GOTY awards two years apart from another, somehow doesn't make any sense lol. One game getting two GOTY awards would be a first time ever. In my opinion, a game only ever get's one shot at GOTY during the year it's released, if we can keep adding dlc to a single game then watch that game get nominated every year, how quickly do people making games start demanding that DLC shouldn't count when their games get snubbed every year because of DLC taking over? it's a slippery slope, and one we cannot entertain or it defeat's the point of having a GOTY category.

[@heideknight7782]

Adding remakes and DLCs to the potential candidate options for the GOTY race is not just dumb, but also a wrong sign for the industry. We already get way too many remakes, remasters and all this additional content stuff (DLCs) each year, because it is easy money for the developers who then do not have to make something groundbreaking new. Therefore the Game Awards should reward "original, new and creative work" that is not in a greater scale copy-pasted from another game.

[@malcolm_in_the_middle]

This has been an issue for a long time now. Even Diablo 2: Lord of Destruction (probably the most successful expansion/DLC ever) received a nomination for best RPG in 2001, which it lost to Baldur's Gate 2, and Witcher 3: Blood and Wine actually won best RPG in 2016. I was too young to care in 2001, but I was critical of Blood and Wine being part of the awards, and remain critical of Shadow of the Erdtree being included.

[@andreabriganti5113]

" This morning, I WOKE ". You making it worse 😂 ( joking, don't kill me ).

[@Eliwood29]

If any DLC ever deserved to be in GoTY contention it is Shadow of the Erdtree to be fair. but I think a separate DLC category would be better.

[@Aciarr]

yeah like a expansion/DLC of the year kinda thing

[@TheWerelf]

So it could compete with Fortnite skins or genshin lootboxes?😂

[@ledpowz]

@@TheWerelf asking for a DLC category is just so f* ups it's insane.... this DLC experience offers more than many games by itself so why not list it?!

[@GRIMHOOD99]

It literally is the most out of ideas DLC from soft made since sunken crown wdym? People are glazing both ER and the dlc so much I stopped interacting with the entire community.

[@warex4501]

​@@ledpowz Because it's not a game it's content. Just paid content no different than any other content update other than the price tag.

[@digitalhighways3234]

paul Tassi is an fool of a man, I am surprised people give him any time and its disappointing when it does, why would you need his opinion on anything. You can speak for yourself, no need for a games journo's justifications.

[@antris292]

The game awards?... OH you mean The Last of Us 2 Awards! (The game awards are dead to me after that incident of clear sniffing their own farts laced with crack)

[@GameyManatee3]

What did you expect? Just like the Oscar’s, the Game Awards is just the industry promoting itself through an arbitrary “recognition” system. GOTY was never player choice. To put it in perspective, “the game was rigged from the start.”

[@BARDI77]

me personaly this lost completly relevance the moment I saw IGN on the list of judges, like they are the biggest meme on the entire game review spectrum or at least I cant think of anyone that is made more fun for their bad and inconsistent reviews

[@TheNuclearGeek]

"Best Ongoing Game" deserves to go to "No Man's Sky" and it should barely be questioned. There hasn't been a bigger dedication to turning around a game in gaming history.

[@Darqion]

While it got "turned around" i still found it to be pretty boring pretty quick (played it a few months ago). It was LOADS better than at launch, but what i found was an okay game... And it only felt "great" because it started far below par. Though maybe whatever hooks people playing it, just didnt hook me. Most things just felt very repetitive.

[@SupMonkey]

Just because fallout 76 is good now doesn't mean it wasn't a massive glitchy mess of a scam at launch. No Man's sky should not be remembered as the game that made a "comeback". It should be remembered as a scam that took 5 years to get even remotely good.

[@TheNuclearGeek]

@@SupMonkey The big difference between the 2 is No Man's Sky did it for FREE. FO76 made everyone pay along the way.

[@TheNuclearGeek]

@@Darqion It's not a game for everyone, hell it's not even a game I personally enjoy, but it was the studio's dedication to make it right and for free that makes all the difference IMHO.

[@SupMonkey]

@@TheNuclearGeek People didn't need to buy updates for NMS?

[@ReMax-r2e]

People losing their mind over something that means nothing? So basically just another day

[@subaveragemf8978]

I think there should be a KZbin version of game awards where the hosts are Joe Vargas, Alanah, Yong Yea & Act Man & they can have an additional "worst games" category

[@kenshinhimura9387]

The "Game Awards" is that thing you and your buddies watch on your second monitor as you play games together, while talking trash about the show the entire time.

[@Simte]

I enjoy the reveals and live music, all of the rest is just like the Oscars, a bunch of people and their pedantry. Btw, Balantro being nominated as GOTY is awesome.

[@Callmethedrink7]

They know damn well black myth should be game of the year but they won’t give it to it they know they will get hate for this so the only way is to give it to a really popular game like Elden ring so they won’t get as much hate cause of how popular Elden ring is.

[@aru5117]

I don’t think Geoff wants Hollywood’s approval, I think he wants legitimacy to get sponsors from big companies like Coke or Google instead of solely game studios.

[@Lionel-Goodfellow]

The Game Awards need to be pro gamers not 100% about the gaming industry. The Game Awards are good for YT content creators, but they do nothing for gamers in general. I wish the Game Awards would just go away, go the way of the dodo.

[@danielkinney6518]

"Never had a public opinion outside of loving a video game" is the EXACT kind of person that we want in charge of gaming awards. The fact that this writer sees that as a NEGATIVE is a perfect example of why people don't trust game journalists anymore.

[@Suzerain-Gaming]

I got a thing from KZbin that says I’m in the top .1% of legendary drops viewers. I thought it was pretty neat. Love your content, it’s been so inspiring watching your rise and I am truly happy to be part of your community

[@Sheemer2]

That Gamer article was an interesting thing to hear. Talking about principle and blaming consumers for the lack of it. Blaming consumers for toxicity when gaming media has been the cancer causing it. Blaming gaming companies that don't hate their customers for having their heads in the sand rather than saying that for the companies that openly hate their customers and lose money at amazing amounts. Their immediate follow up about Geoff Keighly made me think of the Joe Rogan video Asmongold watched yesterday with this game journo acting the same as Brian Stelter, vaguely insinuating that if Keighly doesn't do what they want then he will be cancelled, as if any amount of people care enough about anything these people say for that to happen at their whim. If he keeps his mouth shut and doesn't speak about against the consumers that 'will not wash this time.' Mind you he is clearly giving them more than they are due with their jury appointments and is making them think that they are important so maybe he is scared of them some.

[@MrTorgueHighFiveFlexington]

Why are people taking the game awards so seriously? It’s not a real awards show. The awards are meaningless. It’s a giant commercial for publishers to drop new trailers and that’s all it’s ever been

[@dammyoyesanya4656]

Are you ok? It may not mean anything to you but it means a lot or the studios involved. It takes 2 sold 20 million copies and 80% of those sales came post GOTY win. Why do you gamers online like to virtue signal and pretend like this. It’s a big deal. Do I like Geoff and his award show? No. Am I going to pretend like it’s meaningless to look good online. Absolutely not

[@yanyanfourtwenty]

Don't tell me that DownLoadable Content does not spell the words with the letters V-I-D-E-O-G-A-M-E. According to the slow people writing garbage, they apparently are the same. These people need to go through K-12 again. You need base video game for DLC to work. Not the other way around.

[@zigster1298]

I’m SOOOOO happy Balatro got nominated. So deserved, and it’s amazing to see an indie titled made by ONE MAN getting recognition.

[@AG-ld6rv]

A few comments from my personal experiences (I haven't experienced all the games): 1.) Diablo 4 should never be nominated for anything positive. Path of Exile beats it any every way for that category. 2.) I'd like to hear why DLC cannot be nominated. My guess is... DLC can be short? Or what? If the DLC is a solid 20+ hours, I see no issue. Would it really have made a difference if they released that as a separate game on Steam rather than it being in the DLC category? It's simply a setting put in by the developers by Steam. If it's big enough, it counts. The argument in this video about it being less challenging that building a new game from the ground up, there are many games that reuse assets / use a large chunk of an already-developed engine / are an entry in a series, meaning they didn't "risk it" to make totally brand new IP. Just think of Elden Ring DLC as "Elden Ring II." It's all semantics. Chill. 3.) I like that an odd roguelike card game is getting some attention. Often, it feels like big corpa are using formulaic recipes to pump out reskinned clones. I love to see something fresh nominated for anything. 4.) I don't understand why the fighting game award has so many smash-brother-likes nominated. Everyone knows those are not fighting games. That's like calling any game with a gun in it a first-person shooter. Those are their own genre. 5.) Thank goodness that DATU did not receive a nomination. Everyone knows it was a game that betrayed all of the established lore and style of the series. And no, I am not talking about it having THAT in the game. I'm talking about how A.) The game softens the edges of complex drama produced by unpleasant realities that DA never shied away from: Classism, religious strife, slavery, racism, etc. B.) How characters act unnaturally against everything that established lore would predict. It would be like a game about the messiah where Roman forces and followers of the Torah all just "get it." Less drama. Repetitive combat that is too easy. Odd level design likely inherited from its multiplayer roots. Disney graphics alongside Disney dialogue. To sum it up: It's as if a new movie came out from a beloved rated-R series, and alas, this one is rated PG13. A real shame. The game was a flop for DA enthusiasts. And for those new to the series, all the edges they softened made the game worse than it could be. For a new person to the universe, they even stripped away many ways people could learn the lore featured in the older games -- stuff like shopkeepers not being chatty. Yeah, those just give no lore now. That's just one example. And can we now shush about the grand conspiracy in regards to it? Yes, a few journalists gave it an undeserved 10/10 basically in objective terms. A much better game could have been made WITH THE EXACT SAME STORY and similar characters. Thankfully, no one nominated. Conspiracy over. Just a handful of bad gaming journalists... nothing new though. It's a joke that games can't get below a 7/10 on IGN, and it has been for the last decade. 6.) You know how people were worried "journalists" would not Wukong through? I think the exact opposite thing happened. The game is decent and not worthy of awards, but afraid of negative reactions fueled by a conspiracy theory, it made it on the list. Everyone whose opinions I trust (both my friends and game reviewers) said the setting is cool, that boss fights were good, and the rest of the game was a bit of a bore. Only the people who turn a few embarrassing articles trying to cancel a game into an elaborate conspiracy theory are rooting for that game. People who likely watched their favorite 20+k viewer streamer vibe with the game. Brothas, those people are likable, because they are chill and happy. Yes, people caution not to shoot the messenger precisely because people do shoot them. And a 20k-viewer streamer is not trying to be shot. It's in their job description not to be critical. Do not adopt their opinions without thinking it over yourself and without reviewing several sources of review by people greenlit to give a negative comment or two as THAT is part of THEIR job description. Any category where it is up against Elden Ring DLC just represents a wasted slot, because Elden Ring DLC will win for sure since it is a superior game. And before you throw at me the, "But brah, it sold a lot of copies" argument, we all know total sales, while a heuristic of what might be a decent game, is totally different than a guarantee it is superb. Just imagine any DECENT game pumped out by a corporate recipe that satisfies a huge swath of people by design. It will be missing that bump up in quality that actually results in FEWER sales as the average Joes detached from an identity of true gamer might dislike the more niche, superior game. 7.) For a VIDEO GAME award show, I don't understand why people playing video games or voicing roles are getting awards. I like to think of a video game award show as awarding video games with awards. I couldn't care less whose voice did whatever. 8.) No one cares about VR. Just get rid of the entire category. The entire thing was an experiment, and it turns out, people don't want to stand up gesturing for 6 hours straight over chilling and gaming with a controller or mouse & keyboard. It's a lot like those Google glasses except a tiny bit more successful. Same thing with mobile games. That's just trash that casuals play. Profits/revenue have nothing to do with the quality of a game. Hell, Palword made a ton of money since streamers picked it up. It was easily one of the worst survival resource games I've played in the last 5 years. I felt like I was doing the exact same thing over and over and over. Oh, but big profit! Big streamer recognition! So coooool, NOT. 9.) I think it is fair for erudite thinkers to count toward an award over some average Joe. Wukong even being on the list proves my point. Perhaps, it should be 70% expert 30% random schlump. 90-10 is a bit much. But brotha, if a person is a C student, they are a C gamer. It is what it is. Stay in your lane, gamer. Let the people who STUDY gaming have more impact. There is no case where people who are casual about their thinking, not studying much at all, will think better than those that study hundreds or thousands of hours. Again, Wukong on the list is a farce. Totally decent but not beyond that. Everyone I respect agrees. It was only put up out of fear of the grand conspiracy -- a conspiracy that really boils down to "oh wow, some gamer journalists are leftists and outweigh political messages to the essence of a game." WE KNOW. They exist. Who cares? Find new gaming experts whose opinions you value.

[@wallyhackenslacker]

In the words of legendary indie dev Jeff Vogel: "The Game Awards is exactly the show the video game industry deserves."

[@GhostMan407]

sote sweep, cope and seethe

[@da-rj5cs]

😂

[@LordMehu]

11:08 Nah, The witcher 3 dlc Blood and wine won best rpg instead of Dark Souls III, I know its not goty just best rpg but even tho I think there should be a category for dlc/expension I dont care, Its revange time! May SoTE Win Game of the Year!

[@warex4501]

It's not revenge if the punishment is dealt on an innocent.

[@OtakuUnderground92]

I think Geoff needs to add two Player Choice nominations in each category. Let the public’s vote count 100% for those. That 10% we have isn’t enough.

[@AmUnRA256]

We need real game awards, without nominations paid by the industry. DLCs can't be game of the year, and Balatro doesn't belong to be there in that category - it could easily win two or three others. I had 25 hours fun with it but can't be compared to BG3 as GOTY