Chasing Legends 191: The Dick Holmes Story

[@feliciablasier6613]

Love listening to these stories you make people interested

[@legendofthesuperstitionmou969]

Thank you very much.

[@sunnysunshine1309]

Hey Wayne. Greetings from Heidelberg Germany. It's always very interesting to watch your videos, and it improves my talking skills. God bless you and your family. Steph

[@legendofthesuperstitionmou969]

Danke Schoen

[@sunnysunshine1309]

Bitteschön. Sehr gerne.

[@edwardmorgan9411]

Awesome Wayne, can’t wait till y’all hit the mountains again!

[@legendofthesuperstitionmou969]

Neither can I !!!!

[@richardhelit3840]

Excellent.my dad spent decades looking for pegleg.my younger brother spent decades looking for the same.Both are dead.Fun stories though.its the desert & the fun of the hunt.

[@alexdavis2049]

Man I never can listen to a story unless the story teller is really good... and u keep me reeled in lol thanks for another great story !

[@madyooper8231]

You should do an episode on 'Tommy Knockers'. You may have already done that though, I'm still binge watching your channel!

[@legendofthesuperstitionmou969]

Not yet. Not yet. I’ll put it on the list

[@madyooper8231]

@@legendofthesuperstitionmou969 Cool beans.

[@marktraum9139]

Great story, makes me think about how I'd never tell if I found treasure. I've read some diaries from the old west and they fascinate me.

[@jasonconrad4314]

I wouldnt tell either. I laugh when I see people comment on here, that they found the LDM. But, I do firmly believe, that the mine has been found. I think it was one of the mines around goldfield.

[@wctyre49]

Thanks Wayne for another great short story.

[@pigoff123]

Thank you for sharing such amazing stories.

[@legendofthesuperstitionmou969]

Thanks for watching

[@legacyXplore]

Seeing the title then seeing the video is over 30 minutes is like getting a phone call with some good news out of the blue :).

[@legendofthesuperstitionmou969]

Thank you. Yes, I got myself going a bit

[@legacyXplore]

@@legendofthesuperstitionmou969 it’s really helpful though. This Dick Holmes thing is not easy to navigate when starting to learn.

[@legendofthesuperstitionmou969]

@@legacyXplore i agree. It’s a weird thing that’s always just thrown into the mix

[@JorgeRomero-jt2ne]

Very interesting. I have read just about every book on the LDM, but this book is one of the most unique stories available. Thank you for making this book part of your KZbin episode.

[@MsNevadakid]

like the story! b.s. makes the story"s keeping on... "Clay Worst" knows the secret...

[@TheBlindbowman]

i fully agree with you Wayne on many of the details you pointed out . but let me tell you my take on this topic and we can agree to disagree or agree after i tell you what i know ..first i agree with You Wayne the manuscript vs the Dick holmes story are full of massive holes almost as many as the mountains themselves .but here that said here is what i know . i showed you what copy of the manuscript i was focused on and other variations or copies were cast away ....so i took that one variation and researched Brownie holmes part in that manuscript ... now a few things are out of place in the sequences of the manuscript as well as Brownies story of the events .. but here is my take on the manuscript itself as it is stated in the one i showed you .. i believe i got the copy of the manuscript off a web site and the joe we both know had made a post about the Brownies manuscript and this was in a reply to that thread ..so i cut and pasted it and kept it for my research on this topic .. now here is where it gets interesting .this variation has a lot of details in debate . but that said we look at the details vs the sequences of those events . now if these events can be proven or not is not in question as of yet .all we can do is look at the sequences of the events .now you may not know this but i am the designer of the PPL profiling system , what that is ,is a Database isolating program designed to find sequences in data and help define missing related sequences , now the system is designed to define Possibilities ,Probabilities ,and Logistics i design this system to track and solve cold cases , often to track serial killers .., but here is my findings ..the manuscript has details that only Waltz himself could have known ,and there is reason to confirm that Waltz did not tell anyone these details i do believe the manuscript was written based on a will found in the candle box at the time of Waltz death ,i do not believe he told them to anyone ...where the will is now does not affect my findings .my findings are based on the details of the data as it stands , who wrote the manuscript or how it came about has nothing to do with my findings .i am looking at the details with in the sequences of the manuscript as it stand ..first off do i believe Waltz killed 7 people . yes .based on the details and the sequences of the deaths ,yes !. now i have told you i was able to locate the mine and researched the details of this manuscript and the sequences of the killings and how they fit the location , and the sequences do fit the location of the mine ..and the fact i was not looking for the LDM when i found it .. i had no idea where the hanging rock was till i back tracked from the mine and found it right where Waltz had given directions to it .that said ,there are a few details in the manuscript that can be proven when you know where the mine is ... these are very detailed descriptions that give hidden meanings to someone if they find the correct mine location . ,as i pointed out to you Wayne Waltz knew someone could find the will and use it to find the mine ,so he made a few changes in the wording just enough to stop anyone from using the will to find the mine unless he gave the will to them and told them about the changes .. than Dick Holmes made some changes in the will just in case he was caught with the will after he had taking the ore from the box . Julia never saw the will and Dick Holmes never knew everything Julia had been told by Waltz ..it is my understanding that Waltz had told Julia things that would help her see the changes he had made in the will , she never saw will the will so she only had part of the directions to the mine .same goes for Dick Holmes . Waltz never told him anything ...he only knew what the will said and he had no way of knowing that Waltz had made the changes to the will ,so he never had a complete set of directions to locate the mine .. and he never did ..those people that think they have found the mine are using uncomplete directions. once i found the mine i wanted to back track and see how others had mistaken the directions ..and i found that there were 10's of dozens if not thousands of places out there that fit the directions as they are written in the manuscript ..but Waltz tells you something that you can see that points you at the real LDM .you can not take the manuscript and find the mine . but like i said i was not looking for the mine when i found it ...see when i was there a few feet away from the mine i remembered the wording in the will and realized i was standing right where Waltz had been when he write the will ...that's why i said only Waltz could have wrote that will .. because it won't mean anything to anyone else that does not know the correct order and sequences of the will and the directions coded with in it ...but Yes Wayne i did find the real LDM in 2006.

[@legendofthesuperstitionmou969]

Biggest problem with Holmes story is it was made up by Dick Holmes. It’s very doubtful he knew Waltz before he died.

[@jasonconrad4314]

Wayne, I came across you, because of History channel. Love this format much more. My mom lives in Wickenberg, can't wait to get down that way, just to learn more about the area.

[@legendofthesuperstitionmou969]

Check out the road to constellation camp out there.

[@krisla8211]

Been watching for years now. When are you going back outside to explore? Thx 😊

[@legendofthesuperstitionmou969]

We have been. New stuff sometime by the end of the year

[@ramondfox6327]

thank you for bringing another view of the same stories to my attention. I love to hear another view. I always used to set with the old men and listen to there true (?) stories about there lives and experience's. Some were real hair raisers I have started to write about my life and the old timers lives, at least what I know and heard about. From NORTH CENTRAL NEBRASKA. Keep the stories and videos coming.

[@legendofthesuperstitionmou969]

Thanks for watching and we will keep them coming

[@muskyelondragon]

Great info 😉

[@legendofthesuperstitionmou969]

Thank you

[@mtngoat58]

very interesting story i wish you would find the lost Dutchman yourself and find some information left in the mine it self to explain a few things ,now that would be a great book keep them coming love hearing the fiction explained and how it might of came to be and the mix with true facts

[@rexspencer3634]

Great story. Keep going

[@patmadden8647]

Wow. Tht one was a little confusing for me to follow. How do you determine where to start and which way to go? Thts amazing. Thx.

[@legendofthesuperstitionmou969]

That’s always an issue when someone constantly changes their story over the years.

[@arthurpeterson246]

From what i've heard and seen about that area there is enough gold left over to make jacob waltz mine look like a childs piggy bank!

[@crotalusatrox5442]

Wayne....in your own opinion, which canyon in the Superstitions is the best candidate for hiding old Jacob's mine?

[@legendofthesuperstitionmou969]

The searchers seem to dictate Needle or Labarge. I always wonder and look at Fish Creek. It’s a big long canyon.

[@colbyjarrett925]

Hello Wayne, I really enjoy your stories and that your letting us know what's most likely the truth about Waltz. I lived in AJ, Mesa, Chandler and Gilbert areas between 1974 and 1986 I used to see a guy that had a mule team or a horse team that pulled Conestoga wagon out into the Superstitions. Did you ever meet him and is there a story behind his lifestyle? Thanks for sharing your experience with us all. God Bless you and your entire family.

[@legendofthesuperstitionmou969]

Don’t recall him. There were a lot of guys did stuff like that. I’ll ask Greg and Clay about it

[@colbyjarrett925]

Thank You, I look forward to hearing from you again.

[@melindacash1268]

Are the graves of Waltz/Patras able to be viewed?

[@legendofthesuperstitionmou969]

Yes. Jacob Waltz is in the pioneer cemetery in Phoenix. South west corner by George Petrasch. .

[@legendofthesuperstitionmou969]

Which Peraltas?

[@melindacash1268]

@@legendofthesuperstitionmou969 Petrasch...lol i spelled it wrong. George Petrasch...i will go check them out, thank you.

[@legendofthesuperstitionmou969]

@@melindacash1268 George is next Waltz. Rhinehart is in the Globe cemetery unmarked, Herman in Superior in the Martin family plot and Gottfried in an unmarked plot at the State hospital cemetery

[@magprob]

It's all bunk but we must keep the myth alive.

[@GeorgiaRidgerunner]

Hey Mr. Wayne not sure if your aware of this or not But History channel is uploading that show you were on to theyre youtube channel I like the show but ive got a question Across a couple of episodes yall thought yall were being followed was that real or done to spice up the show also the episode where deal was metal detecting at night and there was a gun shot was that real or dramatic effect Im not trying to knock the show im just curious if yall might have really been in danger Lastly ive an idea that might help locate the dutchman mine if you care hear it

[@legendofthesuperstitionmou969]

I think some folks were following because of the 20-30 man crew spread out in the area to be honest. The first night or two anywhere was always quiet. Then folks figured out where the caravan had went

[@GeorgiaRidgerunner]

@@legendofthesuperstitionmou969 ahh ok that makes a lot of sense probaly just people wanting to watch a show being filmed This is just an idea i came up with from reading different things about waltz's clues He said something about Being able to see the miliatary road from his mine But not being able to see his mine from the road Also somewhere i read something that made me think that made me think he was describing the location from a vantage point above the mine near the military rd. Also back in high school i read some book i think it was about the dutchman mine but could have been about some other treasure But in said book there was Supposed two cyphers One had supposedly been Decoded using the declaration of independence as the key and it was rumored to have just told who was supposed to get what The other wasnt decoded at the time the book was written Are there written cyphers associated with the dutchmen legend Just out of curiosity are you familiar with the forrest fenn treasure Its supposedly been found I think i knew the location of that treasure but never was able to go look for it If your not familiar with it Look it up here on youtube If anything its certainly an interesting story

[@legendofthesuperstitionmou969]

@@GeorgiaRidgerunner Fenn and I communicated a bit years ago. I wasn’t interested in his treasure hunt but enjoyed the discussion in general.

[@GeorgiaRidgerunner]

@@legendofthesuperstitionmou969 then your probably familiar with the clues in the poem I read that poem hundreds of times and studied those clues and never quite figured it out what Mr. Fenn meant by blaze untill i stumbled onto a kayaking video that mentioned a geodectic marker Near the take out below the put in below the home of brown i instantly knew this had to be the blaze fenn mentioned as blaze is a term Meaning marker The treasure was reported found before i got the money to travel there and look for myself I never have contacted Mr fenn to ask if my location was correct or not

[@phantom7crossrose528]

Dick Holmes was Larry Holmes "smaller" brother😇

[@legendofthesuperstitionmou969]

Lol

[@waynemickelso8990]

It's all a bunch of crap from the matchbox and the other jewelery to the fact Dick Holmes was not even part of it.

[@richardhelit3840]

Xrf machine proves duchman gold was special