Rating a Bugman Ranger Not-Quite-There-Yet Stack

[@Jefrejtor]

"Rating Your Disaster Battle" is pretty much an unofficial series already, lol

[@aleximbery4093]

Saving your Doomstack

[@R3adybreck]

Rating your save battle

[@countplokoon]

Sating your disasterstack

[@JarthenGreenmeadow]

@@aleximbery4093 So many saving your "doom stack" videos.

[@chaimvance8608]

I dont mean to be offtopic but does any of you know of a way to log back into an Instagram account?? I was dumb lost my login password. I love any help you can offer me!

[@GaldirEonai]

This isn't a doomstack, this is a dwarven pub crawl.

[@pile-o-nonsense3688]

Seeing that Dawi beer can kill most things that aren't dawi themself, a dwarfen pub brawl IS a doomstack.

[@Korni121]

Belegar as his lord traits has siege attacker ;)

[@svenbrede6151]

Damn you were first ;)

[@anonymous_coward]

Siege attacker on non-artillery units is a detriment to dwarfs. All it does is tempt the player to go into battles without artillery which is silly if you are playing dwarfs.

[@svenbrede6151]

@@anonymous_coward You've clearly not done sieges as clan Angrund before

[@anonymous_coward]

@@svenbrede6151 Thinking that you don't need artillery because it's not needed in sieges is precisely the trap I'm talking about. Dwarf artillery isn't for winning siege battles it's for manipulating the AI's behavior in field battles where you are the attacker.

[@garrettmccullough2249]

*Legend plays dwarfs* "So the first thing you want to do is corner camp."

[@archologyzero]

Dwarves rule all corners of the world by literally just camping in the corners of the world.

[@ngythe1king]

Wood elves: we are far superior in speed, archery range and we have the forest! Dwarves: we have “LegendOfTotalWar”, Master of Cheese 🧀

[@annonymousarmadillo1094]

Dwarves: “we have a corner”.

[@yharleththegrandobserver236]

Legendov totalewar

[@Emi_Tempi]

Legend has to be far away from the dwarfs since they made a whole book just for him. Thats why the audio is a bit off.

[@cablom200]

I also use Bugman ranger doomstack, but here there are too many master engineers, 2 are enough. Better version of this doomstack is: 12 bugman ranger, 4 thane 2 engineer, lord and any arty to be able to siege.

[@Debilinside]

Yes, artillery is a must.

[@Ray-tx2ls]

Belegar has siege attacked, but true, for another Lord you would need arty for sure.

[@jeffvella9765]

I have been sending legend my bugman ranger doomstack. 3 engineers with artillery support is the best balance and it can work decently earlier on with just 2 engineers.

[@cablom200]

@@jeffvella9765 do you also use Thanes as front line?

[@jeffvella9765]

@@cablom200 You do not need thanes, because you get more value if you have a runesmith which can slow down a unit and have access to buffs where needed. The bugman will be your front liners in the worst case. You see the main buff of the engineers is not the ammo or the damage but the speed that stacks. So you use the bugman with 50+ speed as waywatchers, until enemy gets in range of your artillery, then 4 bugman go back and form your front line and aid the lord and the runesmith while the rest go further back. Legend did not use the bugman well in this battle, he did not notice the speed of 53. He could have kited the enemy first which would have killed like 1/3 of the enemy army easy. Bugman stalk so you shoot and run back and stalk again.

[@andrew279cz4]

Audio seems a bit off. But great content as always.

[@zabilife]

yeah his mic sounded a bit weird

[@guycxz]

I think it's clipping a bit. not sure

[@Ereinion25]

Maybe accidentally wrong bitrate when recording

[@luying6566]

There was a time when legend would recruit stormvermin

[@SWtaervdesn]

Belegar Ironhammer possesses "Siege attacker". You do not artillary to seige provincial capitals with in his army.

[@kaisersnider8593]

I remember playing Rome 1 where I usually had 2 archer troops and the rest heavy melee. Was a really strong force. The whole rework with shields caught me off guard. I still find it hard to not put a heavy melee focus. Now I do more about 4-6 range units for my standard armies. Guess I am a sucker for the old grind fest.

[@juselara02]

Quite frankly I get doomstack for races that the majority of their armies suck(or are average at best) but have one or two OP things and you create a stack to take advantage of that (Skaven, Lizardmen, vampire counts). However I don't get the idea behind a Dwarf doomstack, if you can totally win every battle with a normal army with longbeards, quarrelers, thunderers, Cannons and organ guns IF your corner camp. I guess the dwarf doomstack is just any normal stack but corner camp them.

[@Rajayali]

here we see Legend dissing staunch line of spears once again at the end

[@Robomooed]

A mild peril stack

[@JarthenGreenmeadow]

a bit of a kerfuffle stack.

[@Debilinside]

I like how legend forgets that its a really easily spammable stack. Even with 2 engineers it is really strong against most enemies and Bugman rangers are cheap compared to a lot of other doomstack. Also they are a beast in autoresolve for some reason.

[@misterpig7739]

Probably because they have decent melee stats, are ranged units, and regenerate on top of that. That’s my guess at least.

[@Debilinside]

@@misterpig7739 Probably. Hybrid infantry is valued very high in auto resolve, Shades are also pretty good, winning with minimal losses when on manual you would barely survive. Whats interesting that Sisters of Avelorn have similar stats to shades yet they not nearly as strong in auto resolve.

[@Grivehn]

@@Debilinside The autoresolve is sexist confirmed.

[@thewarguy1072]

bugmans take 2 turns to recruit vs thunderers who only take one. That makes Bugmans rangers NOT easily spammable.

[@misterpig7739]

@@thewarguy1072 they aren’t good to react to an incoming army but I would say they are spammable when you have the time to do so

[@torquevonthorne948]

Also lacks some gyrocopters. Remember that Bugman's ranger stack against the dark elves? Flying units attract enemy flying lords, which allows the player to snipe them

[@dr.vanilla9017]

Not to mention that gyros are at taking out artillery.

[@NocnyGD]

At the beginning i thought it will be brothers of avelorn

[@charlieawerbuch5352]

Should have stuck out the end battle screen until the enemy all ran away - bugman rangers have passive healing.

[@TheCulexus]

Wouldn’t have made a difference. The health on each individual ranger is restored to full at the end of each battle, the dead aren’t revived by regular regen or life magic.

[@dmitriyk.2890]

I finished whe whole Belegar campaign wioth 3 armies, using Bugman Rangers as army cores. Used less engeneeres and some frontlin e heroes though+2 organ guns. And all heroes had Ironmwarden tankards of course.

[@andrewmaxconely]

Checkerboard is only so effective against a mostly ranged army that outranges you.

[@andrewmaxconely]

@@kentho7093 I'm guessing English isn't your strong suit? "Is only *so* effective" has the opposite meaning of "is effective".

[@valentin9243]

Accuracy buff still works very well even if the reload is 2 seconds, it is really worth it

[@honorguard7616]

gotta Agree ,they become more like snipers

[@regalgiant1597]

The engineers imediately turned this off as a doomstack, its takes sooooo long to get that many engineers

[@th3dool]

I know how legend feels about the rome and attila games, but I miss the old content. Its been a while since I've seen his content. Good work as always mate.

[@nickhass7757]

Stack suggestion, my favorite one....as gelt, 5 steam tanks 5 handgunners, 4 hellstorm batteries, 4 outriders grenades (or for a nice modded twist get the rotary gun gyrocopter for empire mod) tanks up front, outrider/copterson flank... Oh and one light wizard for net (essential for flyers especially) it has a fantastic ww1/2 sort of appeal and the destructive power is insane.

[@anonymous_coward]

I've never been able to make missile spam work without some non-single entity melee units so I can see why the person who sent you that decided to include some. The bone I have to pick with this doom stack is that it's not cost optimized and lacks a grudge thrower or two: Quarrellers do basically the same job as Bugman's Rangers with a negligible reload time increase, two fewer ammunition but more armor and lower upkeep. On top of that the buffs provided by engineers eliminates the ammo and reload time advantages of Bugman's Rangers. Dwarf Warriors are functionally equivalent to Longbeards for blocking enemy units and for a lower cost. Having a Grudge Thrower or two softens up the enemy, counters enemy artillery and is just plane useful in sieges. Having an army that is only slightly less capable in practice but that the AI views as just plain weak greatly reduces the likely hood of the AI attacking with multiple armies or running away when you attack. This is amplified in the late game when the AI starts filling its armies with very expensive units at which point the AI will view your army as considerably weaker than its own causing it to decide one army is plenty. So overall I would say the cost optimized army is more of a doom stack because the AI doesn't know how to deal with it once you reach the late game and it thinks all of its much more expensive armies are therefore much stronger than yours.

[@futonrevolution7671]

In comparison to Quarrelers, the thing is that Bugman Rangers are more flexible without the Lothern Sea Guard problem of being strictly worse, which mitigates taking up a building slot. They have Stalk and Vanguard to alpha strike the artillery, 50+ movement speed to outrun infantry and peel off enemy flanks to walk them into ambushes, Charge Defense to tank cavalry, and Dwarf Warrior stats with Regeneration if the ammo runs out. Also, better accuracy and auto-resolve loves them. I guess that the decision is between the aggressive perks of being able to push forward longer on the campaign map in Ambush mode vs. the defensive perks of the campaign map AI severely underestimating you.

[@easytanksgaming3238]

Too more master engineers in one army. Better boost the high-tier arty and SET THE GRUDGE ON 'EM!!1

[@ThomasL12.]

@UCy4DdhFzwIoPvzp8OgKndvw i think he did it for the ammo buff bc otherwise u have to send them into melee which is a horrible idea

[@futonrevolution7671]

I didn't pause to squint at the campaign map, but I don't think they occupied K8P yet. I'm guessing that they've been too scared of the economy to spread the engineers out into a second or third army.

[@psychodoctor5370]

@@futonrevolution7671 you can see in the corner that he has k8p.

[@futonrevolution7671]

@@psychodoctor5370 Okay, thanks. It almost raises more questions, than it answers, on what's going through the player's mind.

[@Joyexer]

I think this army should use more warlock engineers, because it really lacks warpstone imho :)

[@-MarcelDavis-]

"Saving your disaster doomstack"

[@connahbourton5097]

One day CA will create circular battlefields... one day

[@Bluemangrup]

It'll be the same day they bring full sieges in Warhammer

[@davidthane9002]

Then you can still kina cornercamp. A circle has infinite corners :D

[@SignumInterriti]

I was positively surprised how much damage the rangers did

[@josephwonsetler389]

5 fucking engineers in the army but the mic still sound funny

[@halwakka504]

Bugman's Rangers instead of the Longbeards, and give all the lords/heroes the crafted items that gives them vanguard and snipe/stalk. You can send in the engineers to use their ammo up on enemy lords/heroes/dangerous units, five master engineers can potentially do ~50k unanswered damage before the real fight begins.

[@wittynewt610]

Belegar has siege attacker. As you point out, replace the 3 infantry with more ranger. I would replace two engineers with 2 runesmiths as well as wrath and ruin can be very useful on wings to slow down a dangerous fast unit. Also, as you point out then add tankards to all heroes and belegar. For these ranged heavy dawi armies I also like to give the heroes who act as your front line after all the chilling aura axe as that provides a constant speed debuff to all enemies nearby and gives your ranged components more time to clean house.

[@omeirat94]

Waiting for the Skaven voice ... ah there it is .

[@grub833]

woodelf ai when i fight them : god mode infinite range archers and cavalry woodelf ai when legend fights them: haha imma just stand here and taunt them

[@shreyanssolanki8582]

is it only me that the audio is little different

[@StefanOnTour]

The End is just a good old ranged unit standoff from a western classic :D

[@gladiwra]

Is there a little extra crunch in the mic for anyone else?

[@volimcvarke8437]

Best race in the game having some fun with hippys

[@ValtheJean]

Doesn't Belegar have siege attacker? I could have sworn he did....it might just be bonuses to siege battles but I could have sworn he had it.

[@GamingBigChief]

Ye belley Boi has siege attacker so don't need arty. But could definitely use a couple arty in place of a couple engis plus Thanes or ironbreakers for the longbeards

[@ke02eww123456789]

Legend, might I recommend "Saving your Disaster Stack" instead of "Rating Your Disaster Battle"? Either way I love these videos lol

[@davidthane9002]

I tried the doomstack with less engineers and some Thanes as tanks instead. (I think I got around 2 engineers and 2 Thanes+lord) worked "ok". I wonder what the sweet spot of Engineers, tanking heroes and Rangers would be....

[@senshibat8920]

Saving Dawis doomstack. A grudge is born.

[@tuffelmann]

Why is Ballistics Calibration useless? There is still the accuracy bonus (but I don't know, what +60 really means in terms of combat effectiveness).

[@futonrevolution7671]

Dunno, if I'd call Ballistics Calibration useless, but Bugman's Rangers are already accurate enough that I've often seen an entire unit's missile trails come to a single point, hitting heroes with no (visibly) missed shots. Your mileage may vary.

[@Lopsinho]

I almost had to double check the date cuz I thought it was the old one

[@KazeKoichi]

Rating your disaster or saving your doomstack?

[@MrDadhhg]

Is nobody going to talk about Kazrak being alive on turn 140.

[@先生罪袋]

Waited for these stacks

[@ehk5948]

Audio seems fine to me

[@Charlys787]

Belegar is siege attacker by lord bonus

[@vladyslavkorenyak872]

I panicked cause I thought my headphones broke !

[@tamasdemeny7264]

have you cut the video at 7:19 because the enemy lord just lost a bit more than half its health :))

[@colonelbbq]

belegar is a siege attacker

[@scribe5049]

Doesn't Beligar have a passive seige attacker?

[@freekvanderheijden6356]

Yes!

[@theovertaker40]

What will take the brunt? Why send in when not finished

[@mimicat11]

Expert advice 👍🏼

[@michaszpyrka4153]

Saving your disaster doomstack

[@stepankadlec8827]

Belegar is a siege attacker, is't he? So sieging should be ok.

[@Kamidon74]

Is it just me or does the sound quality of Legend's voice have a static sound, just slightly

[@Alexander23005]

Also I cant hire Belegar. I started the company without this mode. Then I bought it. All the new units appeared but Belegar. Do I need to fulfill some requirements?

[@mightymediocre3352]

Question to anyone really, is it worth to take 2 or 3 gunpowder units in a army like this? Use them as your frontline ranged units and let the ones with the arrows shoot over them or is this just not really necessary.

[@futonrevolution7671]

Rangers don't have a ton of armor-piercing, but are a much better frontline, than Thunderers. Especially, since Stalk and 50+ movement makes a frontline unnecessary in some situations. A couple of Organ Guns or Grudge Throwers has the added bonus of luring the AI into the crossfire of Bugman Rangers in a concave or V formation.

[@luxgardiennedesetoilesincurvee]

"Rating my disaster doomstack"

[@TheSpaceWomble]

Even with thanes instead of longbeards that is never going to be a doom stack army. A regular balanced dwarf army would have performed better.

[@EverdarkOne]

Do anyone else think the voice in this video is a bit...thin? distorted somehow.

[@alchemispark7751]

Saving your doomsaster stack

[@Alexander23005]

Why do you have several engineers? Does their bonuses stack?

[@Witch_King]

Today we have battle with double cheese (cornercamping and chequerboard) against some Elf-things, yes-yes. Also, this army is definitely missing some plague priests.

[@christoffereilskov5006]

Why is checkerboard cheese? Thats just basic tactics?

[@jobertmichoul6211]

Checkerboard formation is an actual historical strategy, that's a bit stretching it to call it cheese lol

[@Witch_King]

@@jobertmichoul6211 I also don't understand why some players are calling legitimate strategies of handling higher difficulties (doomstacks, cornercamping, checkerboard) "cheese".

[@GeraltofRivia22]

@@christoffereilskov5006 it's cheese because it confuses the AI.

[@jobertmichoul6211]

@@Witch_King yeah at this point I'm wondering if they would call an irl ambush "cheese" because it gives you an unfair advantage tbh

[@The_Seeker]

This stack used to be WAY better when engineer range buffs would stack, it kind of sucks without it.

[@davidthane9002]

Aye... Same with irondrakes

[@dyllock105]

Is there a stream today?

[@KP-co5io]

I always called them Burgerman rangers😭😭

[@Witch_King]

Burger with double cheese.

[@KP-co5io]

@@Witch_King yessss🧀🧀

[@futonrevolution7671]

You know what they call a Quarter-Height Shade with Double Cheese in Brettonia, Jules?

[@KP-co5io]

@@futonrevolution7671 😭😭

[@ph3onixlightsworn232]

So when it comes to enemy infantry do i just use shielded or great weapon versions of the dwarfs to hold the line? I'm been using longbeards waiting to upgrade to get ironbreakers cause my thanes always get rekt

[@Qulize]

Shielded version always has more melee defence than the great weapons. So go with shield if you want them to hold the line

[@ph3onixlightsworn232]

@@Qulize lol im having an annoying time with warzagg cause if this, but thanks, I just thought great weapons would be better RIP

[@echoes222]

Hmm... why not using ghost thanes instead of longbeards? ;o Weird army composition.

[@NLABRAiNiAC]

Isn't Belegar a Siege Attacker? I could have sworn he was.

[@futonrevolution7671]

Yeah, he is. I'm guessing that it's been a hot minute, since Legend last played Belegar.

[@freddysmith6862]

A campaign where Legend plays bad? I MUST see this.

[@cHaMp630]

Needs at least 2 pieces of artillery for sieges.

[@treeorwh2]

Wrong. Belegar is a siege attacker.

[@SilentMorbus2]

wood elf need a serous nerf to their archers range...this is absurd

[@micgil4193]

"Coaching your doomstack" or maybe "Fixing your doomstack"

[@honorguard7616]

So legend ,would you try SFO Dwarfs?

[@chrismitchell7494]

how many times does he have to say NO MODS?!?!

[@honorguard7616]

So why do you have to Yell? Anyhow I only heard no modded saves to be sent in

[@davidthane9002]

He does play mods in his own time, he did play SFO as well, but won't make videos about it

[@Blizztt]

why no artillery?

[@BraindeadCRY]

replace the longbeards with artillery

[@XicoAnders]

I would say this a 5/10

[@darth0tator]

didn't we already have one army like that?

[@futonrevolution7671]

iirc, that one was regular Rangers.

[@CrazyMegaOmega]

"Rating your disaster battle" or "saving your doomstack" which is better 🤔 hmm

[@CommanderBohn]

Instead of Longbeard the other Ghostly Ancestors would've done better.

[@danielverman]

Rating your disaster battle xD

[@wile123456]

Is it just me or did his mic quality get worse/more distorted?

[@ethansantangelo3528]

Classic Legend recommendation: more ranged or heros. haha

[@empire23]

Legend, any plans to check out Bannerlord again? I enjoyed that stream. Cheers.

[@davidthane9002]

Nope, he won't do it because the audience behaved like a bunch of rude idiots and made the whole thing really unpleasant for him

[@user-me7iw6ft8z]

doomstacks arent even cheese.. like since when is it cheese to recruit the strongest units

[@generalfeed123]

yuh more dawi!!

[@dennoplit]

Why rangers over quarrelers?

[@futonrevolution7671]

Flexibility, alpha strikes, and hanging out in Ambush stance instead of needing replenishment. They have Vanguard, Stalk, Charge Defense, and Regeneration.

[@Wildtrexkid]

@@futonrevolution7671 and except for armour which is made up for somewhat by regen, the Rangers have basically the same stats as Dwarf Warriors, so its also at least a half competent melee unit

[@halwakka504]

And with engineer support they're fast as fuck, compared to any other non-flying dwarf unit.

[@grimgorironhidedabestdamas3602]

Coming from Livestream ILY Legend

[@jonathaneastman3d]

I don't feel like "difficulty level" should stay the same for TWW3... Im really hoping that they find a new system because i don't feel like I'm actually playing a "harder" game, its just *wonky and full of cheats for the ai.*

[@Johann_Gambolputty_of_Ulm]

Sorry, I don't care about Rangers... can we please talk about the fact, that we have Morghur and Khazrak running around in Turn 140??? o.O

[@dtzyYT]

Even with a semi cheesy army dwarves still feel so boring to play.

[@Tasmanaut]

Only faction that is fun for me

[@bufan7177]

Bugsman ranger should’ve been a regiment of renown.

[@Qulize]

Nah

[@thewarguy1072]

Theres a lot of very bad Dwarf players in this comment section.

[@erensametkaratas6593]

LAST

[@toppo_games2517]

damn I'm really early