This Guy Will Ruin Your Campaign

[@Dionihilo]

Hey Legend thanks for fixing my campaign mate! You did a few things that didnt occur to me. I avoided their infantry (like the plague!) with my warbears thinking it was a bad matchup, but you're right, the infantry were a much bigger threat to my archers and i needed to whittle them down to have a chance. Also I wasnt aware that using magic was causing his army to charge, because when i ran out of monsters to kite i started using blizzard on his infantry formations. My missile formation was kind of similar to yours but i wasnt using terrain nearly as well, so the plague drones always attacked the rear line immediately and prevented it from firing, then crumpled the lines from both directions. Finally, i'd completely forgotten that trading a settlement can be done in a peace deal. Doing that gave me a lot of time to regroup. I'm following your steps and will hopefully get this blasted campaign done and dusted. Thats why you're the boss!

[@OldMayt]

just as a tip if you didnt know, basically anything that does damage to an army EXCEPT MELEE will cause them to start charging. that includes magic, archers, artillery, dragon breath, etc.

[@Nightmare_52]

If i start anywhere near tamurkhan i immediately make him my highest priority to get rid of, the heroes are just so incredibly annoying along with his instant kill ability

[@florianb2856]

Instant Kill ability?

[@Nightmare_52]

When tamurkhan would die and he is within range of a lord or hero he instead instantly kill them and revive himself

[@prexar7626]

@@Nightmare_52 he damages them by quite abit not instsantly kill:p

[@joenathan4698]

​@@Nightmare_52 a little exaggerated. Might be true for smaller fellows.

[@josephdoria5237]

Kayzk the Befouled is so freaking hard to pin down. He’s harder to deal with than Tamurkhan himself sometimes cause he’s such a small target.

[@a.gravemistake3061]

"This guy will ruin your campaign" and it's just a mirror

[@theredtiger325]

"Those eyes. Those damned eyes... Thats where the trouble began."

[@nocturnaljoe9543]

Hello there, Franz.

[@Mrkabrat]

The tactic of "Whats going behind this corner?" seems to work well

[@unmeclambda5837]

it's even funnier when you notice that there was only the ice witch that was hidden. The AI really did send their units against 5 units it could see, including 2 high tier monstrous cav and 2 heroes

[@ho8ojoe8]

Yep it seems to be working amazingly well in the current patch. I was playing some vampire counts and they were happily following 1 vampire into my blob.

[@kapotbot7525]

Some serious Looney Tunes shit that they see a guy in the open, send one unit after him, the guy runs behind a cliff, the unit follows him behind the cliff, the rest of the army just hears screaming and growling bears, and 1 minute later the same guy pops up in the open again

[@jeykey5366]

looks like a cartoon, they send units to chase one old man riding a bear, and after 1 minute of screams and deaths the old one again shows by the rock with taunting shouts.

[@RicardoSanchez-es5wl]

😂

[@ricardoandre7049]

The taint of the Dark Prince can be seen. Oh sigmar give us strengh.

[@technoincubus1736]

- Listen, and remember well, do NOT go after lone kislevite patriach. He will promise you great battles, pleasures beyond imagining, places with unthinkable plagues and mysterious tomes of forbidden magic - DO NOT FOLLOW A KISLEVITE, DO NOT TRUST HIM. Tell that to other demons and Chaos champions!

[@aprinnyonbreak1290]

Look Loooook A skull, full of maddening knowledge, yet afflicted by a mysterious disease. Look at the high cheekbones and sensuous jawline. Looooooook You can have it, you just need to get in the van for like, one second

[@blaaaghy8300]

Yeah, luring them out won't work on hard difficulty, they start charging after the 2nd or 3rd unit. Same thing with not shooting or attacking a lord/hero, mine always get tied down and shot. It's as if CA made the harder AI not responding to the WH2 cheese, which only means the cheese changed.

[@BlurredVision18]

People have been debating the game is easier when the difficulty maxxed since launch, they are much more dangerous when they just charge willy nilly. At least for less experienced players.

[@mattandrews2594]

@@BlurredVision18 This. Some battles on easier difficulties are actually much harder to win, because they will never just stand around doing nothing as seen here in this video.

[@JWSoul]

I don't believe this at all.

[@nemlas85]

is this really true? and what was the WH2 cheese?

[@jerondiovis6128]

I've seen braindead AI - but this... They're just standing there. Menacingly. Doing absolutely nothing and dying one by one. I'm really surprised that after 20 minutes of standing still AI suddnely evolved enough to attack the player.

[@TheUltrahypnotoad]

This is the reason for the AI rebellion. They hate us for programming them so badly.

[@TopGameplayWorld]

when you attack the ai stay afk if you dont shoot him with range unit or spell. If they attack you they will rush you

[@mattandrews2594]

Change battle difficulty to Normal or Hard. You'll never see this braindead behaviour ever again. Quite the opposite infact.

[@starcow17]

@@mattandrews2594 Yeah. Hasn't this been a very hard BD issue for a while now? That the normal AI is actually smarter in many cases.

[@msf47]

this is why normal or hard is the best battle difficulty , maybe the Ai will rush blindly into attack but they will never break formation or sit back and send one unit at the time most of the time .

[@Chummy8]

I just had a really fun Ostankya campaign. Decided to warp over to the Haunted Forest and immediately encountered a level 50 Tamur who proceeded to easily wipe my best army. I never went back there.

[@purestench9263]

GET OOT HIS FOREST

[@francesco.virzi4]

I had to fight him for so many turns as dwarves, he comes back every turn, it’s a real struggle.

[@Glorfindeld2]

I was on a turn 60 no defeats campaign as yuan bo. I confederated Xiao Ming and took 3 of his stacks to deal with Tamurkhan and his single army utterly wiped the floor with me and my campaign ended. He literally ended my campaign.

[@zakunick1]

I just did the same thing in my Yuan Bo campaign last night. Except I had Miao at turn 115. Her and 2 other armies. Luckily Tammy left his settlement and came for us. Managed to auto resolve him.

[@SplendidFactor]

Had to fight this guy in a huge 3 v 4 battle as Cathay. I was Miao Ying, supported by Zhao Ming and Balthasar Gelt against Tamurkhan, Archaon, a Chaos Lord and Vilitch. I found a new appreciation of gunpowder and artillery on that day. The alliance barely won, it was pyrrhic.

[@maxpower3990]

Just take Sky junks and a stalking wizard on horseback. Or Terracotta Sentinels. Like most faction you just spam your strongest unit in every army. It’s odd that is the Skaven that use mixed armies the most with their weapon team armies.

[@LolwutlordOfTheBurningSausage]

Really well played in the battle

[@nutrikid]

You just too know well the total war ai mate! Even if i would follow the same instructions, you would just manage everything better! I learned an awfully lot from you! Thanks, keep it up and have a happy new year!

[@newindika]

Shogun tactics in WH3. After all these years the AI still fall into the same tricks.

[@2D_SVD]

I noticed you're saying "streltsis" - but "streltsi" is already plural, without the s at the end. Source: it's a slavic word and I'm a slav 😂 (Good hint of it being plural is that all the other multiple-entity units have their names pluralized, so this one is too!)

[@rogofos]

meanwhile in my chorf campaign: malakai somehow getting all the way here and wiping Tamukhan

[@giorgaras1851]

A doomstack of gyrocopters makes tamukhan look like a joke (especially the variant with the trollhammer torpedo).

[@fotisavgerinos7863]

once more legend demonstrates the tactical and strategical value of having the high ground obi wan would be proud

[@dmxdreams]

they AI never does this bulshit play with me lmao, he charge with all his army

[@DiesNahts6969]

You might have been the defender then or had artillery

[@platones9667]

@@DiesNahts6969 yeah, in this case tamurkhan is the defender AND has artillery, so it actually makes sense of them to wait

[@bfs9043]

Amount of cheese in this video is enough to end world hunger.

[@x0lopossum]

This same situation happened to me in my Slaanesh campaign. I had to pull back my forces and bring in reinforcement armies to overwhelm Tamurkhan with numbers.

[@deni140492deni]

I always have a "doomball" in my Kislev armies. 2 warbears, 2 armoured sleds, 2 big monsters (the beast elemental is the best), 1 griffon cavalry, 2 patriarchs with heal, 1 hag of hag lore and 1 ice maiden. Put them all in a group and keep charging one enemy after the other. There's a blue weapon that heals everyone around the user and the mirror of the ice queen that acts as a mortis engine to increase the power of this. The only thing that can stop this is a doomstack anti large.

[@deni140492deni]

The rest of the army is made of ice guards/streltsi and little Grom. If you get an alliance with the empire, remove the little Groms and add the landships, they are great as artillery to divide the enemy army in half and if you're in deep s hit they can join the doomball, just deactivate the autoshoot before they get into the melee or they will shoot your units

[@dimensiongamer534]

This episode gave me Horse sandwich vibes so much at the start haha, Gud Stuffs!

[@barefootcentipede9953]

Amazing (as usual) I basically refuse to fight manually against Tamurkhan in my campaigns...

[@cz85]

I realized this guy's a huge problem when playing a modded Nagash campaign, he just bulldozed through my undead square and slapped Krell around despite Krell being a legendary lord in this mod that specialized in 1v1 fights. His chariots, rot nights, just crushed through my lines, did a ton of damage and just walked away. I had to avoid the fight and redo it several turns later with an army almost designed to kill his army. Think ultra elite halbard infantry with the over powered support of Nagash lore of magic (undeath). I don't see how normal undead factions can handle him late game 1v1 army wise. It was very nice to have such a challenging lord to fight against though.

[@ryanerickson8138]

How long until advances in AI reaches Creative Assembly?

[@mackenzieobrien7579]

That kiting worked really well. Didnt realize you could pick them apart like that

[@commodusleitdorf2726]

Thing I have noticed since the recent patch is armies are harder to bait out of their positions.

[@Boingy420]

When you do Peace Treaty, make sure to get Non-Negotations Pact, so it increases the peace by a couple o more turns, because first they gotta break the pact, wait, then declare war again.

[@gohomehero]

I had an army of thunderbarges and an invisible mega buffed organ gun. After killing his entire army in a super tiny choke point, it still took almost all maikasson, my engineer, and my organ guns ammo to kill him. Not to mention all the thunderbarges lmao.

[@geirgudj1]

few months ago and few patches ago a single grudge keeper chopper soloed him.

[@maxpower3990]

That’s why the Soear of Grugni is my favourite delete button.

[@mandowarrior123]

I find the diplomacy fun & ludicrously easy, consolidate position, give settlement & peace, or even swap for one better for you. Really a bit of shrewd diplomacy wins the game. Got number 1 power in 30 something turns & owned a continent & have 3 allies as the hag. Got settings working on the steam deck well enough. Amazing how you can love bomb fellow alignment races. Also, just spotting a moment a large empire early on had lost its army i peaced out & turned on a dime (i confederated who they wiped each other out against as well) more than doubling my empire with only one mustered army to fight. With the hag's quick build t6 it's essentially over. Gave shine of Khaine to slaanesh for eternal pleasure + the blood ships mean war against the elves was easy, especially getting there before they had good stuff en masse. Actually traded khaine for a gate, put a lord, captured a couple towns, swapped out for a rebellious lord as I couldn't hold it, using the loyalty system to my advantage. Playing as the high elves would've been absolute horror in my campaign. I still struggle with getting the first two provinces though. Do people wait for economy? I've been going for 2 full stacks of trash maxing out & moving as much as I can but i struggle against the starting units of others. Perhaps i'm just forcing myself through disaster battles. Shogun 2 forced me to rapidly grow as I wanted tier 1 or 2 only settlements for growth stacking my low tax metsuke economy. I keep expecting at most a yari samurai equivalent, not a chaos lord & half of hell. spears & trees beats early chaos I learned. Lowers melee attack, plus a bit of poison & they can't hit a high defence unit at all, even anti infantry & high weapon damage. I didn't take dark elves for tree fighters but stacking attack reduction is quite effective. Who should I play next? Played vampires & empire in wh2. Anyone as flexible as the pay-slaves-to-build mechanic? Also, you can have a master with name of power regen, cunning (poison) & magical attack weapon anti large manticore rider, are there other agent character units like that?

[@aprinnyonbreak1290]

Gifting settlements is becoming my favored lame strategy. It's so strong.

[@theowl1735]

Haven’t watched the video yet, but I almost lost a good chunk of territory to Tamurkhan as Golgfag after confederating Greasus. He’s just so much harder to beat than almost any other LL

[@vuko8767]

Weirdest thing for me here is seeing AI Tamurkhan being level 50 and not having a bunch of rot knights in his army. Dude could be down to one minor settlement in my game and still be pumping them out.

[@Dionihilo]

He had them and he also had Kayzck and more soul grinders about 2 turns before this, but he valiantly defeated my high tier army and filled out his stack again in no time, haha

[@setheus907]

Why didn't you use the charge attack buff? You'd have killed them way faster. Basically the whole combat against those single units at the start was within the charge bonus time window

[@Fierro99]

I literally had this happen with Kathrin in my last campaign, got slaugthered and after 5-6 trys I just reloaded and made peace.

[@GeeNo_]

I played as Cathay and had two campaigns ruined by this guy, he respawned every turn, was REALLY hard to kill, and I was slowly killed by attrition trying to take him out. My current playthrough thankfully led to me rushing him down and avoiding allying the chaos dwarves north of me to avoid meeting him as early, but I think good RNG kept him from getting too strong too fast plus me blitzing a lot faster this time around...Still, if I didn't know how much of a threat he was in advance....It is crazy how impossible the game can get sometimes when some high level lords start becoming damage sponges.

[@iboral5432]

To be fair Creative Assembly is ruining campaigns without the need of any faction leader. There is currently a save bug where the campaigns wont create an auto/manual or quick save. A few people reported it and its consistently happening to me on every campaign I create. Unplayable at the moment.

[@drupiROM]

I finished my first Kairos campaign ROC. It was one of thhe most frustrating campaigns, because Tamurkhan rolled thru my lines and got to my ranged units. Only in about turn 80 or so i got a capital close to him and managed to make him my ally by gifting a Tier IV.

[@trialpod1]

Hey all, how does he move the units like that in 7:02?

[@Scriptures_K]

Playing as Arbaal at the moment and he's my best (and, given that I am for Khorne, the only) neighbour.

[@charliebarkshire4320]

How do you rotate the troops when doing the checkerboard changes? I know you move the unit with alt right click, but how do you rotate the direction?

[@julianforrer478]

Have you actually lost a disaster battle that was sent in that you thought was winnable?

[@painof7]

29:01 dead ass I thought you might have been exaggerating about how good Tam’s army was, but bruh he 6 units shredded kislev. Holy shit 😂😂

[@sim.frischh9781]

I found the Armored Kossars to be a solid front line unit, but they have trouble in a combination with Strelzi due to guns requiring direct line of sight, unless the Strelzi can be put on a higher place to shoot over the Kossars, their LOS gets blocked way too often, use heroes instead, works much better. Generally, Kislev doesn´t really have a "DoomStack it and you win easily" type of unit like the Stegadon or Norscan Mammoths, however they can quite reliably build a solid hero DoomStack due to how easy it is to get large amounts of Patriarchs, put them on Warbears and you have a great HeroStack that can fight against most enemies and only needs help from arty for sieges.

[@CJ-wh7ik]

Nah. I built balanced and/or thematic armies. They need to be strong but not doomstack level because it takes the fun of struggle away.

[@sim.frischh9781]

@@CJ-wh7ik Oh yes, i like me a nice thematic army as well every now and then, but not every faction has the units for a proper, balanced army, you don´t have cavalry when pllayed as dwarfs unless you get some from an ally or mercs. And good luck trying to build a proper HeroStack with the Vampire Coast, it´s near impossible.

[@etuanno]

Legend, as far as I know you can stack the "take less attrition" from the Patriarch heroes skill line. That way attrition from any source becomes negligible. Helps a lot in chaos wastes. :)

[@florianb2856]

But it doesnt regenerate, right?

[@etuanno]

@@florianb2856 Yes, the attrition is still there, but it's very weak. But the reinforcement rate will be very high. So you can travel normally and once you capture a settlement you will be full strengh after one turn.

[@creativedegree]

I was playing a Grimgor campaign and on turn 7 Tamurkhan was level 19 with 3 tier 9 units... stupid

[@jacob5700]

Lord Camembert takes it again!

[@goldeninnos3411]

guy was not ready to play boris ursus, its a tough campaign for sure

[@konsmiddel]

Woo first time Im fast enough here to actually see these fabled bots everyone always talk about 😅 On topic of the disaster campaign though, I cant remember the last time Tamurkhan survived long enough to be a problem in my recent campaigns, he seems to get obliterated within 30-40 turns recently

[@Milchzahn298]

The big problem is that he can respawn with his army withing 2 turns -.- Also good to know that increasing difficulty and having no artillery makes this fight way easier. Thx

[@naboost9485]

Tamurkhan is a nightmare to deal with , grimgor early game can be a real bog because of him if he declares war really early

[@tomas.zentrich]

I find Nurgle to have some of the most annoying legendary lords to deal with. Super tanky and busted autoresolve (at least compared to my Kislev armies), so definitely a fun time to say the least.

[@KhanjoOfEthiopia]

truly the diagnosis for most gaming problems, too much whine, not enough cheese

[@ThatsOk83]

Any disaster battle that isn’t against dwarves is a good time

[@Lancelot2000Lps]

Are they having so much armour because of trade goods? I mean the Nurgle Infantry.

[@sleepyman6744]

wow 3 bots within 1 minute

[@stevengull6703]

Would y'all shut up about the bots we freaking know.

[@xiii0722]

Well, they are spawn camping after all...

[@50043211]

The first time I meet him in battle I was "ha-ha, die chaos scum!" one dead High King later "fuck this shit, its war that you want then war is what you get!"

[@valentin9243]

Peeling them off

[@changer_of_ways_999]

Kholek is a damn nightmare. Every. Damn. Time. Having to deal with this discord moderator in early ame just sucks.

[@oooeee5556]

I was about to say whos the handsome guy in the thumbnail

[@geirgudj1]

Warbears are just amazing

[@kitsunegurei]

I hate fighting Tamurkhan because he respawns every turn…

[@shuttze]

mf is like a tank, definitly the hardest lord in this region

[@YashaSkaven]

Level 50 tangelo can???? Dang

[@JWSoul]

Good one this is! Complicated.

[@frapp2510]

29:44 but legend I don't have that much cheese on me /j

[@nathanielsmith4654]

I think it is cool he enjoys these challenges, I would assume.

[@solidcobalt]

This dude basically made me refuse to play as kholek for a while

[@bongosmcdongos4190]

Oh man. I'm playing for the first time (picked kislev) and i am not looking forward to this guy. Thanks for the battle tactics!

[@alexanderwetherell4779]

Armored kossars are good but not againt nurgle they are decently tanky unit with decent staying power just not as much as nurgle

[@bar_jumper1312]

pov bowmen who have been drinking vodka all day 25:35

[@asdflol2222]

Nice battle

[@davidrucker2034]

At least 1 other real person here

[@alexanderc9462]

Bear sandwidch

[@TheMMOCafe]

Whenever i'm playing Grimgor, i always root for kholek to beat him

[@naboost9485]

And he never wins , and then tamurkhan is a god damned nuisance for the next 30 turns

[@coful]

Playing as archaon absolutely sucks now because you neighbor tamurkhan and he always declares war in kholek whos always a great option for confederation.

[@aelsi1337]

yeah, he has made me want to quit multiple games

[@lhays117]

The AI in this game really is pretty stupid at times.

[@K-Man-k5n]

Why didn't Napoleon or Julius Caesar use these obviously amazing tactics. ;D

[@aprinnyonbreak1290]

Because most armies stop sending small groups of people behind the rock after the first two don't come back.

[@K-Man-k5n]

@@aprinnyonbreak1290 haha

[@WhatsleftofTom]

Ere we go? That’s a greenskin spell mate

[@sirnosferaty]

Seems we are seeing a lot of ogre content i hope we get to see an ogre livestream if we get lucky

[@Eycei]

Only 3 wars I end up in like 10 by turn 30 😂

[@bar_jumper1312]

Nurgels Vlaad....

[@TopGameplayWorld]

I am just playing kislev first time legendary. I kill arbal so hard and tamurkhan come with 7stacks

[@patrickdaly1088]

10:00 this is why I watch you play, and don't actually play much warhammer myself. Thank you for your sacrifice of putting up with a nonfunctional game for our amusement

[@Tayletubby]

Just report the bots for spam guys

[@kwantommy7468]

3 Slannesh bots corrupt the comment section

[@brianheffernan-k9p]

Joe Biden????? Oh, you are talking about Tamurkhan….

[@Freetekno15]

no disslike nice

[@mr.gandersson2835]

I still believe the AI and sieges are the worst parts of the game Sieges being a downgrade from the previous game and the AI is just "make long line" Simply put, why would the AI do something that the player wouldn't

[@giorgaras1851]

The ai is horrible in all of total wars and sieges are fine (could be better but also a lot worse)

[@mr.gandersson2835]

@giorgaras1851 Sieges are not fine

[@TheSpike762]

first

[@Schweinzhaxn]

Where are the 0 leadership vampires? 🤷🏻‍♂️ @LegendofTotalWar

[@Štajeproblempodstanari]

Why dont you play any other total wars ?