Units You Should Never Recruit For Every Race - Warhammer 2

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[@TAM1906]

If War Wagons aren't on this list I am gonna be disappointed.

[@LegendofTotalWar]

lol.

[@airagog]

The RoR is great at least.

[@TheArklyte]

[Cries in tarnished Hussite Wars legacy]

[@tvs5941]

War Wagons are such a joke.

[@Kuddochan]

@@LegendofTotalWar War wagons can be okay in multiplayer due to their mobility and the enemy not having AI cheats to buff them up. But yeah not much purpose in legendary campaigns lol

[@tech__6607]

1:05 #15 Bretonnia - Mounted Yeomen 2:35 #14 Skaven - Clanrats 4:44 #13 Vamp Count- Corpse Carts 6:19 #12 Vamp Coast - Bloated Corpse 7:48 #11 Dark Elf - Cold One Knights/Dreadknights 9:04 #10 Lizardmen - Bastillodon (All) 10:53 #9 Wood Elves - Hawk Riders 12:26 #8 Dwarves - Slayers 15:58 #7 Tomb Kings - Carrion 17:38 #6 Greenskins - Trolls 19:48 #5 Beastmen - Giant 21:55 #4 Norsca - Giant 23:12 #3 Chaos - Giant 23:45 #2 High Elf - White Lions 27:42 #1 Empire - War Wagon

[@tank_3487]

It is quite funny, that in MP only Bloated Corpse, Giants and War Wagons are bad. And things like clanrats, Slayers are extremely competitive.

[@jeremybarnes9390]

thank you

[@doktarr]

They need to give giants the wallbreaker attribute that Warp Grinders have. It would instantly give them a reason to see play.

[@IKBENEENPAARD]

doktarr thats actually a great idea!

[@Hydra11022]

Thx Kavin

[@lavenderwalrus9875]

For anyone who needs it 1:04 brettonian 2:33 scaven 4:44 Vampire counts 6:18 Vampire coast 7:48 Dark elves 9:02 lizardmen 10:52 wood elves 12:26 dwarves 15:58 Tomb kings 17:37 Greenskins 19:47 beastmen 21:51 Norsca 23:08 chaos warriors 23:42 high elf 27:42 empire hope this was helpful to someone. Sorry If somone has already done this but I went looking so i could rewatch the darkelf bit and couldn't find one.

[@BlueJournalBoutique]

You're the hero every 30 minute guide needs. Thank you

[@TheSquidPro]

Most glorious of you.

[@Shepherd.1147]

Thank you my love.

[@samuelsantos8925]

not every hero wears a cape

[@myka5947]

Thanks man

[@wiltarthebarbarian1988]

As of the Throt/Sisters DLC, Hawk Riders are AMAZING if you are playing as the Sisters of Twilight. They get a unique bombardment ability that hammers units of all stripes, along with a few campaign perks as the Sisters get stronger. I use them all the time, but only for the Sisters because they can punch well above their weight class.

[@IlPagliacoTriste22]

Came here to say this. I wiped entire armies with the volley.

[@wiltarthebarbarian1988]

@@IlPagliacoTriste22 They get even crazier with the right skills, too. Plus the Sisters themselves basically being flying artillery. So much death. I love trapping Dark Elves in their fortresses and just annihilating them ;)

[@GLOCKRIVERSTV]

@@wiltarthebarbarian1988 I had a TON of fun on my first ever wood elves playthrough with the sisters and hawk riders. Their Volley ability would turn the tide of any battle I went into.

[@wiltarthebarbarian1988]

@@GLOCKRIVERSTV It's just a really fun campaign, really, with lots of options for army composition and play style. I love it!

[@jacobgriffiths8448]

I actually find having a bloated corpse on each flank is pretty nice for dealing with cavalry flank attacks. Was about to get charged by a rank 7 centigors with great weapons once, corpse just walks infront of them and pops killing 90% of their unit and insta shattering them.

[@Alex_Fahey]

Exactly, BCs are great in early game because of that. At worst, a BC unit can be spent to take out an elite enemy cavalry unit that could kill several of your squishy zombie mobs. At best, you have a mini-nuke that can instantly obliterate a 3-5 unit clump of enemy infantry.

[@PilgrimEnge]

The High Elven Giants are truly awful, I gotta agree with Legend on this one.

[@ikitclaw4852]

They must've been so bad they died out or something, 1st time hearing about them..

[@jacksheldon8566]

they are tanky as hell and actually can dish out good damage against low entity squads or heroes. its just that playing with big slow tanky units is usefull only in niche situation. having archers and spearmen is better anyway.

[@imnotabot6844]

@@ikitclaw4852 ah yes-yes the large elf-things! Just as brood mother made eat-kill!

[@calar8]

Strong disagree, they are completely un-killable.

[@JB-xl2jc]

High Elf Giant Only Run or riot!!

[@slugclutz544]

Please do Top 5 Saving disaster campagins YOU couldnt do, even with cheese

[@sunnydtgm5414]

bump

[@stormrunner4081]

Please do this I want to see the worst of the worst

[@Sharkfinish]

Slug Clutz you guys realize this will just be people with basic garrisons against 4 full stacks right?

[@SmashingSnow]

@@Sharkfinish That's what you think i'm sure we'll get different ones. Do this legend

[@vicdansanch]

The one with kroq gar vs dwarves is not salvable

[@tomthestone1470]

Saying I shouldn’t recruit bloated corpses is like saying I should throw away a cheap vortex instant.

[@spudastic]

it's still great early on when you need to win those early sieges as painless as possible

[@koaxanderhoff8970]

The bloated corpses can be super effective early game not just destroying units if you use them right, but also ruining leadership allowing you to maintain a very small roster

[@88Eoghan]

@@koaxanderhoff8970 Bloaty bois are the meme Vampire Coast unit, but they do a great job at either wiping a unit or wiping its morale, agreed. Don't really need them late, but they're a great raise dead option just prior to a battle.

[@polymphus]

*looks at the date* *sees February 2020* "Ah, this was made in the Before Time."

[@c.alexander4199]

What's changed?

[@ArtistryofDebauchery]

@@c.alexander4199 the earth has more bloated corpses

[@polymphus]

@@c.alexander4199 Clan Pestilens got a huge buff

[@unukbigwall2279]

ORKZ ORKZ ORKZ ORKZ ORKZ CENTIGOR MILK

[@carldimayuga6419]

@@c.alexander4199 legend won a massively disadvantaged fight with Bloated Corpses. Also, Hawk Riders and Slayers are both decent now (the former is broken with Sisters of Twilight)

[@montsaint-michel9443]

Talking about white lions, its quite funny that high tier walls are worse than low tier walls because they replace sea guards with white lions.

[@nico9161]

That was entertaining and informative. Thank you. You made a mistake though: Skavens should have been #13.

[@Will831100]

Bloated corpses are better on the enemy team. Just charge your leader into a crowd as long as you're confident he'll survive and watch the bloated corpses jump into the middle of their own troops and absolutely destroy them. Works well at the start of Harkon's campaign in the first battles.

[@SmashingSnow]

I'll try this thanks for the tip

[@Will831100]

@@SmashingSnow Best place to get a feel for it is the first fight where the enemy gets two of the corpses on Harkon's start. It's either the very first or second fight you'll have with Harkon. If it's the same map as normal there's a small patch of forest just in front of the enemy on their right. You can put the mornghauls there in vanguard, run Harkon and your own bloated corpse up to the top of the woods remembering to switch fire at will off so Harkon isn't spotted, then charge him out into the nearest group of handgunners. The enemy is on defensive this battle so they will always form up in the same spots. With a bit of luck they'll charge the two nearest zombie mobs in before the first corpse gets there and you'll devastate all three groups. If you're luckier you can then go for the other handgunners, rinse and repeat and most of their stuffs dead if it goes perfect. even if it only works with the first you get a major advantage. Just shuffle your other troops as far up to them as you can without getting into the handgunners range so they can back Harkon up sooner. The mornghauls can help here too if you positioned them in the woods once the corpses are gone but keep em clear of the enemy leader as he'll trash em.

[@Will831100]

@@SmashingSnow Oh and be sure it's not gonna cost your leader because if it screws up you'll obviously understand the consequences of losing the leader early in a fight.

[@SmashingSnow]

@@Will831100 Noted thanks

[@Will831100]

@@SmashingSnow Hope the minor walkthrough given works for a good tester as it's never let me down on that particular fight and it leaves you that starter bloated corpse spare for another fight which is always handy as you can also use the trick with your own corpses, added bonus being you control it. The AI is a bit dumb like that though it doesn't work on larger stuff same as corpses are crap against your own single entity units.

[@AurioDK]

Slayers always overperform in my campaigns, I have had a a few fights where I was counting on losing the infantry fight but for some reason slayers always do better than I expect them to in wrong match ups.

[@janbazuine6636]

Wich dificulty do you play on?

[@AurioDK]

@@janbazuine6636 Very hard /normal battle.

[@janbazuine6636]

Wich explains why your slayers do well if it was on very hard battle difficulty they would get slaughterd

[@shadowlord1418]

@@janbazuine6636 all melee units are bad in these difficultys slayers are good as long as you dont have ai cheats on

[@janbazuine6636]

@@shadowlord1418 yes i know

[@CatsLeMatts]

The splash damage and burst potential of the Solar Engine Bastilodon makes including a few of them in to a Stegadon doomstack somewhat worth it. They can melt the most dangerous or most densely packed groups of enemies (like the anti large or monstrous units) while your stegadons meet the enemies charge. They're definitely worse in melee, but they're still better in melee than most artillery in the game.

[@MarcelSoares777]

11:22 "Hawk Raiders are shit." That didn't age well

[@minimaster22]

What happened?

[@MarcelSoares777]

@@minimaster22 The New DLC happened

[@dannir7]

@@minimaster22 4 rounds of magic missiles that can obliterate entire units (if you have a few hawk riders in your army)

[@minimaster22]

@@dannir7 oh right, forgot about that lmao

[@MrLiChien]

Hawk riders are awesome now with the sisters of twilight, making it up to a must have in every army :)

[@micahmoon9630]

16:14 “barracks’s” you feeling like Gollum or Sméagol? 😂😂

[@tspoon772]

There is one good use for Carrion. Against Dark Elves they can be used to neutralise Reaper Bolt Throwers which can be pretty deadly. Also against Beastmen they are surprisingly good at tying down Cygors - not good at killing them, mind you, but they are able to keep them from attacking your army for long enough for you to finish off the rest of the Beastmen. So yes they are terrible, but against Beastmen and Daek Elves it can be worth it to have one unit in your army just in case.

[@SereglothIV]

Legend: "The worst wood elves unit are the hawk riders." me: *laughs in Heralds of Ariel* Yes, I know it's an old video.

[@elronman]

Sounds 90% of the problems are "they don't suck, but they take up a build slot" Hopefully they re balance that in twwh3

[@joedatius]

eh probably not when it comes to all the giants since they still suffer from being such easy slow targets. they just have no real value when just about any kind of artillery will always out preform them

[@GM-vt6is]

Having played every faction on TW, i have to agree with everything here, except bloated corpses. Not only those dudes rock damage-wise, they are also hilarious to include in the army, can be recruited everywhere, and are vital in surviving the first couple dozen turns as a pirate faction - comp tends to declare war on you with much stronger units, like lizardmen or HE stuff that makes your zombie mobs just melt. Given many water/swamp maps have a bottleneck in the middle (that also slows units down), you can easily take out 2+ high tier units with one bloaded corpse if you sneak it behind a tarpit zombie mob. Also..they belly flop in the enemy in true rockstar fashion. 'Nuff said.

[@RealShuraalex]

Absolutely agree with this comment, i usually keep 2 bloaters in my armies and re-recruit them after each battle. There have been many times when I cheesed the AI into blobing up their high tier melee into one of my heroes and then one corpse would do absolutely stupid amount of damage outpaying most everything I could have thrown at the enemy in early-midgame.

[@totallynotthecia]

You should do a follow up on how you’d fix the units like increasing damage or unit size or build tree mechanics

[@sckanis]

But I love War Wagons and recruit them all the time. And use them in MP. Not in any kind of successful way but still, they are cool.

[@SmashingSnow]

@@bogdanleshenko7149 Does he?

[@johnmcmanus2447]

He doesn't enjoy it, but i wouldn't necessarily say he shits all over it

[@yogstrooperdock]

I used them to some degree of success versus the lizard men. and it's still effective against more armoured units.

[@ManuMum]

Bloated corpses have won me several battles where I was at a huge disadvantage. While I do not ever recruit them and have them stay in my army for any length of time, I do often get some of them with raise dead before I have to face a difficult enemy. Especially with the rite that gives them vanguard deployment. I had battles against 2+ full stacks of high elves where I was able to vanguard them close to where the reinforcements entered the battlefield. They reached the entry point at the same time as the reinforcements. The swordmasters were not amused.

[@WhichWazzockWantedEmailHandles]

This, when you look at total-cost-of-ownership, it is cheap to buy a bloated corpse to rear-attack already preoccupied clusters of enemy heavy infantry Animated Hulks are the worse, they are far inferior to both mornghuls and prometheans.

[@Lee350]

I agree, this guy in the video IMO doesn't know how to use units properly. They are lethal if used properly.

[@ManuMum]

@@Lee350 I am sure that LegendOfTotalWar knows how to use units. But his point of view might be a bit narrow here because it looks like he does not consider the raise dead ability (maybe he would never rectuit it but might still raise one occasionally?), he does not consider budget (maybe you get a cheap army to go take out some rebels or bolster a garrison?) and he seems to assume you have a counter at hand for every enemy unit - which he probably does if you look at his videos. I do also skip bloated corpses in any long term army composition because I'd usually rather get another necrofex or mortar or handgunner unit. They are especially bad if you have to fight multiple battles in one turn as he will often have to on legendary difficulty. But if I raise an army for example to defend a settlement, I will always get some bloaties because they will usually counter a much more dangerous / expensive / higher tier unit.

[@LucidLivingYT]

LoTW: Clanrats are the worst, worse than skavenslaves and there is no reason to EVER recruit them. Also LoTW: Welcome to the first 20 turns of legendary skaven, so first off we wanna move Queek and start recruiting clanrats.

[@johnmcmanus2447]

Queek is the exception since his clanrats are dirt cheap

[@imperialisticvonhabsburg3149]

Tomorrow SYDC: War Wagon Spam

[@leobruinsma1736]

Hey Legend, i kinda like Mounted Yeoman in the early game tho. I use them as Carcassonne vs Skaven because they have vanguard deployment and they can keep the artillery busy pretty good. They are also good at sniping archers in the back and since they are really fast you can also use them to bait out AI units (allthought the archer variant is better at it).

[@ageoflove1980]

Wasnt his point that the ranged version can do that aswell on top of alot of other things so there is just no reason to get them?

[@cody7812]

Great eagles are one of the best units in the game for taking out artillery. the second the enemies front line overextends I send them into the back lines to keep the art busy and if the enemy tries to double back an infinity unit the eagles are super quick at pulling away from enemies so you can wait right up until the unit charges to fly off wait for them to leave and come back. Takes a lot of micromanaging to work 2 of them but they can literally shred back lines. They get hammered if you try to just ram them into archers though but if the archers are busy shooting your front line you can swoop in so quickly to scramble them you can really shutdown a lot of woodelfs damage with them. I did not like them at all when I first started playing I thought they died to easily and they do if you miss play them, but I won't play a high elf without them anymore. Also the bloated boys that explode I finally found a really great use for them, Skaven if you can pack your front line tight to pull the rats into a clump you can obliterate clanrats and slaverats by the hundreds I've seen them get insanely high kills in one go to force an opening into Skaven back lines then send appropriate units though to take care of the heavy back lines of Skaven.

[@perplexedcats7687]

From the thumbnail, it almost looked like the worst skaven unit was going to be Hellpit Abominations. That would have blown my mind.

[@boyanpenev9822]

I think CA missed a chance to integrated the Handmaiden building and make it an upgrade to the WL one. Also, for a unit that had iirc the highest strength infantry attack on the tabletop (at least in WHFB) they were kind of left floundering in TWW.

[@Aerowixx]

Greenskins and wood elves have had huge updates after this video was created. Look at those factions with a healthy amount of doubt and critic. Maybe Legend has updated videos, idk, or look other places.

[@kylerowley8248]

Also the trolls usually retreat before any of them die, so you let them sit there for a few seconds to heal back up then send em back in. Thanks for the video btw.

[@crocrocroco6285]

You'v watched this video before the warden and pounch DLC,So things have changed for greenskins,he sied in hes first 20turns on legandary playing with grom that stone and river trolls are good,and i think that the hag is good as well,and even the stupid giant is a tier 4 now instead of 5 and the normal trolls are tier 2..I think its normal now to get trolls..IMAGINE GIANTS DOOM STACK XD

[@Foxerias]

The fact that he bothered to just delete the carrion says something xD

[@colindragan9352]

I agree that the War Wagon w/ the rifles are useless, but the ones that carry cannons in them could be useful for quickly relocating artillery.

[@antonkotelyanskii2398]

This is really good info, but would have been much easier if it was a blog post that could be read quickly.

[@jdc4144]

I was actually expecting goblin chariots for the greenskins, its basically the green version of war wagons, but it's been shit for years instead of a weeks

[@Lothi66]

Hey, you are right. I find trolls more usefull then this chariots. Did legend forget about them?

[@Xukti]

@@Lothi66 Likely? It may as well be that his mind erases them from what eyes see at this point.

[@ageoflove1980]

The point is that trolls are worse because they also require a seperate building.

[@mcbrite]

One of your best videos! Stuffed with info! I'd love nothing more than a video for every race in a similar style... Just a quick "what works and why? what sucks and why?"

[@CT-3743_DeadEye]

The moment he said hawkriders are in the list I realised how old this video is. I played the Heralds of Ariel and just LOVED hawkriders with their Volley of Kurnous ability

[@lauritandersen7185]

Bloated corpses are actually useful in many battles. They can blast away multiple enemy’s without having them going to the front line. Just outflank the enemy and they won’t know what hit them.

[@jackrabbit5212]

It's funny to see bloated corpse here considering his opinion on them now. That said, I don't know why it wasn't always the deck dropper anyway. At least a bloated corpse will probably get some kills.

[@saldiven2009]

I sense an all War Wagon campaign challenge. Can you win taking the maximum number of War Wagons available at all times.

[@DIEGhostfish]

In early game I got a Carrion barracks free and managed to use them to good effect exactly once. I was up against a savage boar boy spam, with one extra lord brought in from a previous failed army, so I sent the carrion after the almost dead extra orc lord and two or three units of boar boys broke off their attack to save the weakling, buying me much needed time since I had too many sword and ranged infantry and not enough spears.

[@warhawk9566]

I used war wagons in my game and... although I can't say they were my favorite unit I don't remember thinking negatively of them. Can't imagine any time they swung a battle in my favor nor anytime i lost because of them, hated the mortar variant though, loved the hellblaster volleygun ROR

[@don_barbour]

Hawk riders are powerful under Sisters, get a couple and fire of the volley of kurnous and they will 80% melt any unit in the game, and you get that four times, huge range too.

[@MyrdinAnnoth]

Fun video cheers! Didnt expect the white Lions to be here, but giving it some thought it does make a good deal of sense. I mean heck the Silverin guard outperforms them on every turn and they are in the same price category more or less. Yeah Cygors are neat, to bad instead the so much coveted Gorghon they got the ever boring Giant instead.

[@Raigan_Avalon]

I wonder how this looks for the White Lions now that they aren't as alone in that building chain.

[@tieshianna8833]

I quite often raise Bloated Corpses just before a battle, if I have some spots free in the battle

[@Jerrrr]

The war wagon was a joke on table top too.

[@macedonzero6171]

1:05 Bretonnia 2:35 Skaven 4:44 Vampire Counts 6:19 Vampire Coast 7:49 Dark Elves 9:03 Lizardmen 10:53 Wood Elves 12:26 Dwarves 15:59 Tomb Kings 17:39 Greenskins 19:49 Beastmen 21:55 Norsca 23:12 Chaos 23:45 High Elves 27:43 Empire

[@SlamBaron]

Slayers are basically what you want when you want something dead and fast. Very situational to recruit. Mainly when you are winning. I view them as a end game unit. After that though, you definitely want iron breakers and artillery.

[@MrFatbard]

corpse carts are really good at wasting your cities build slots, damn dude i didnt expect slayers, honestly i have never found a use for rangers so when you said that you could imagine my suprise lol

[@mitko1955]

Bloated Corpses saved me from losing like 10 sieges as I was playing as Aranessa and fking Elves were throwing Lions of Chrase at me for days. That was in the early game btw... So i wouldn't say it's absolute garbage in the early game...

[@HeratoshiZZ]

Bah carrion are a borderline must. Tomb kings have no other flying units to target artillery or ranged units. Sure you can micro some Calvary around but that is always a pain and they can get intercepted

[@FTWson]

Carrion's sole purpose is to keep broken/fleeing enemy units in a state of disarray. A broken enemy unit that's under attack by Carrion will stay broken yet unable to retreat from the battlefield, opting instead to run around the map in random directions. Slayers never break. I hate fighting against Slayers.

[@Sylinnilys]

I recall in my last skaven campaigns, having a few units of shielded clanrats in my army (2-3) and something like 6 slaves, on average(highest I recall in late game, 11). with artillery, gunners, etc filling up the rest. sometimes with heroes, sometimes no. especially when I was going against cav heavy factions like bwetonnia, I wasn't as worried about money at that stage and the slightly tankier and shielded meatbags were useful to take the front charge and bog down the cav, or put on flanks against the charge. Skavenslaves have atrocious leadership, anything that causes fear &terror,(horror?) will cause them to rout, having a small amount of better units to take the inital charge, and let the SS fight it out after, gets a much better performance, if it is actually needed. I was running around with sometimes 5 armies in one place, one stack of catapuls, half a stack on lightning cannons, half SS an actual lategame army, a bunch on ranged/SS etc, A good army can take on atleast 3 others, depending on the comp, I even had a bizzare doomflayers/lightning cannon stack with a plague hero. For skaven they have really good ranged in late game, and some of the best artillery in the game, just throw a few armies with a mismatch of ranged/artillery &and some meatbags. any unit lost would be replaced in one turn with SS until I finished 2-3 regions and could upgrade some units as needed. That is basically all that is needed in late game, and a stack on plagueclaw catapuls... I swear i had a lot of fun sieging dwarf settlements with over 20 catapuls... Anyway, that aside, while I agree clanrats are shit for value, they are times when are they worth getting, though only a few at most. and ironically, more so at late game then early or mid, where it doesn't really matter. I think my most fun stack, was Ikit claw, with 4 warlocks eng and 12 warp lightning cannons, +3 gunners, with a supporting army, ofcourse. Howling gale any flying units, and set 4 cannons on them, they die before its over. The supporting army can be comprised of even 19 SS and it will work fine, though I preferred, having 4 plagueclaw catapuls in there.... Good times, RIP skaven under empire. *Yes I know that is a terrible build on Ikit claw, I was bored and it was fun to play with.

[@ryanleung521]

In nowadays Karak Kadrin Capaign, the unit you can recruit at the first few turns is miners and SLAYERS, and their price difference is about A HUNDRED. And when you throw the SLAYERS RIGHT INTO THE CALVARY, THE CALVARY DIED IN SPEED OF LIGHT. Meanwhile, SLAYER CAN BE INSTANTLY RECRUITED AT ANYWHERE, especially in LEGENDARY

[@hotelhopper681]

CAPS LOCK TOO

[@mandast7455]

Legend there is a reason to recruit the bloated corpse and that reason is to see them swan dive and die in the enemy lines in a glorious explosion of guts

[@999liam9999]

Bloated corpse is good for Unarmoured mass infantry killer if it can be hidden, hard to use

[@bjorn-falkoandreas9472]

I think the Bloated Corpse is due an apology video. Legend better break out the ukulele.

[@ricwalker6600]

rewatching this i kinda find it funny that they (CA) dissed him by putting the Sisters of Avelorn in the same building as the Lions.

[@karatekan2182]

Gotta disagree on slayers. Too good versus monsters and cavalry, and their speed means they can protect against flanking, or flank themselves. Don't need more than one or two of them, and usually in the conquest of a province you need to bring down corruption with the monument anyway. With Ungrim in particular, you could be be down to 12 models and 5% health and it takes 2 turns to get back up to full health.

[@MalkavDraconic]

Strangely I love the warhawk riders though... they’re not worth amber, but they’re useful.

[@g3ar75]

To be honest, I'd rather have some weaker units in my army like white lions of chrace rather than spamming nothing but spearman and archers

[@rogofos]

I think slayers have a niche I used them mainly to protect flangs because they're relatively mobile and can still hold the ground against some goblin cavalry or something maybe that isn't the case on higher difficulties tho

[@acheron16]

Now that CA is delaying unit tier upgrades, they should watch this video since it is more relevant than ever. Now that it costs 20k gold to build tier 5 buildings, NO ONE will ever recruit giants since both the buildings and the unit are absolutely not worth it.

[@Commisarr]

I disagree with trolls. Just because if you're play for Scarcnik, it's hard to rely on classic ork-heavy army, and 1-2 trolls provide good dps in goblin-heavy army

[@BB8enjoyer]

when legend does not hold back, that's the high demand content!

[@Dargoneth]

The bloated corpses are good lol. You gotta play different then. First off its the easiest siege unit, raise from dead and you can charge capital instantly, second if you stick the enemies together these 300 gold units can destroy enemies worth off 500 or more + A HUGE MORAL DROP and third you can recruit them for a difficult battle, use them well and afterwards you can continue walk around with a fairly cheap army because less upkeep. I love them

[@hughsmith7504]

Funnily enough, i always found giants to be crap in the table top as well, so good job Total war for sticking to the source material?

[@jakobandersengjedebo3522]

they are fun tabletop tho, although extremely unpredictable

[@metodichachov8653]

There's one thing I strongly disagree with and it's the High Elves unit to avoid at all costs. "White Lions" aren't very good, to say the least, in the sense that they are pretty much useless. But because of that, no one will ever consider them. I look at them as "unnecessary addition". But the unit everyone should avoid is the 2nd tier of archers, Archers (Light Armour). They perform the same way as the Tier1 one unit but have increased melee stats and armour and come at slightly increased price and upkeep, respectively. They are not an upgrade, no. They are just the same unit but more expensive. Melee stats are just irrelevant for the army setup that they will be part of.

[@runswithfeathers47]

I remember my disappointment with White Lions when first using them (in my first ever total war campaign). Looked/sounded badass, teir 3 unit; would just get wrecked and break really in any tactic: frontline, support, flanking. Slayers are at least unbreakable, and have monstrous attack stats with Ungrim

[@jessemarthaller7647]

I legit have been ripping apart everyone early game with my war wagons. No joke is one of my favorite early game units

[@charlesduke9750]

It seems the devs took note. The war wagon now has 334 Missile damage, in the video it had 33. A typo that was corrected? A revamp? Anyway, I think this unit no longer merits to be in place #1. Whether it is now a useful force, I can't say.

[@henrybatten3315]

To be fair Carrion are very situationally useful in the right circumstances. Especially against certain factions like Bretonnia. Lets say you try to hammer and anvil a cav heavy Britannia army with cav, your going to have a bad time. Your cavalry is going to get annihilated. However, if you corner camp with skeleton spearmen, wait for them to charge then rear charge the carrion into the enemy and cast Doom and darkness its often enough, even on legendary to cause a mass rout. Even against archers, if you try to chase them with skeleton spearmen your most likely just going to lose a unit of skeleton spearmen, whereas you can easily rout archers of most factions by using 2 carrions attacking from different directions. Additionally the building for them is very easy to get making them very useful during the early game for some factions (followers of nagash). -

[@emrysmyridden]

I have never had a problem with white lions and routinely have them perform equal or better than swordmasters if both exist in the same army for a large portion of the game,. usually the ai goes for the "best " unit it can so in that instance the sword masters get focused down by magic artilery etc.

[@Paramecium914]

Sometimes I recruit carrion to pin down or kill enemy artillery. Spear skeletons can block archers but not canons. Since tomb kings don’t have upkeep having one unit of carrion isn’t completely useless. Thoughts?

[@TheNicoBozo]

I usually field two units of carrion to harass the archer left in skirmish mode. Until you enter melee with the archer, they flee and therefore don't shoot

[@DaReaperZ]

Mounted Yeomen can be nice in the early game for charging units in their flanks and running down fleeing enemies. But yeah, they quickly become useless.

[@loaderboter3026]

After hearing hog rider instead of hawk rider i noticed the game definitely needs a tier 5 hog rider unit

[@angun703]

Hoooogggggggg riiiiiiiiidaaaaaaaaaaa

[@hectoraarlott]

the war wagon is essentially 4 armoured high elf archers with all the ammo of the rest of their units but a bit faster and with armour-piercing shots wtf are those stats. I think they forgot that its only 4 units per card lmao

[@JerkyMurky]

Heres how you fix bloated corpse. So i believe part of the reason they suck so much is because they take up a unit slot. So, if i bring one, i now cant bring a necrofex, or some canons or something! So heres the fix... make them a summon! Do a krell! make it so all 4 of the legendary lords start with the ability to summon them once in battle, then twice with an upgrade. Then make it so non legendary lords can spend a point to learn this skill after like, level 20 or something. I would, if you do this, make them a little weaker, but since they are now free you no longer need to recruit them they should be more viable. I would say they should also not be summon able for like 60 seconds into the battle or so, and make it so they cant be summoned two far away from the summoner. Also, i would make it so they have a pretty long delay between when they are summoned and when they explode, so you cant just pop them in the back of someone's line and blow up their rear units. Thats just my idea.

[@dmaster225]

I disagree on the chaos giants. I have an army where i have split into 1/3 dragon ogre shaggoth, giant, and manticore units and the giants always outlast the shaggoths. Giants are way slower, but they can take far more punishment. Shaggoths take up more space so in melee fights more units are hitting them so they fall faster, whereas giants take up a smaller space and thus less units are hitting them. When it comes to ranged units, thats where the giants suck, but thats why you have manticores.

[@ragnard.freecs6412]

Bastilodon has solar engine basically the only Lizardman artillery. So its more than just a cheap stegadon

[@LaJin9292]

Im a simpleton playing on Normal and the war wagons are stupidly good at distracting absolutely stupid amounts of the AI's army. I keep 3 in Karl Franz's army and they always get at least 3 units chasing them down for the entire battle but often more, as much as 6 army units. I can't reliably get the effect with other horse units like pistoliers.

[@erikbrown2486]

I never played Warhammer on the computer. But for fantasy table top, trolls were fun, when led by a Gobbo hero, on Wolf. But in sure this game is allot different from table top.

[@BIGbirdG]

There is absolutely no reason fro this video to be as long as it is

[@majorkill]

Watching your vids religiously in preparation for my inevitable battle against the Bald Italian

[@stau6209]

Haha wish you both the best of luck!

[@narcosman]

Oh hey its my favourite australian nazi

[@Chris-su8wm]

Dont bullsht, you rubbing one out to Legends voice

[@JiYeonKimFan]

@@Chris-su8wm no i do that rn

[@gs4ndy175]

😝😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@BeondTheKDGaming]

"Brettonia's worst unit is Mounted Yeomen." AI Brettonia: "I'm going to pretend I didn't see that."

[@regret9423]

For real I attacked leoun around turn 20 and mans had 4 attacks of just mounted yeoman, a few of the ranged versions, lol

[@TheArklyte]

You realise that people will now specifically manufacture saves with their armies consisting of solely those, right?

[@jackcanox4015]

@@bogdanleshenko7149 no he will not he'll crack a laugh and win with a war wagon doom stack

[@stahliboi6249]

He would notice and ignore them. Hopefully we get less dogs breakfast armies among the community!!

[@telephonebitguy9296]

@@jackcanox4015 thats a challenge, someone get a warwagon doomstack

[@deusvult6164]

jack canox that would be great

[@xenonchikmaxxx]

WAR WAGON DOOMSTACK

[@nadierelevante]

Legend: "The only one use for the war wagons is against bloated corpses..." Me: Ah, of course, shot them and retreat when they get close. Legend: "...because you would have this unit charge into a bloated corpse to get rid of it" ... He's not wrong tho.

[@Grivehn]

69 likes, dare not to touch this.

[@Fopalope]

Units with entity counts of one or four just charging into a bloated corpse generally take next to no damage

[@peterp.9327]

@@Grivehn 169 now

[@gaslar3328]

yeah, that is genuinely the best way to get rid of them against AI, especially how it tends to keep them amongst its ranks. Your ammunition is precious, don't waste it, just ram them with a single entity or a chariot that won't take any damage. Special mention if you manage to skullfuck the AI's depth guard or gunnery mob that the corpse was next to, because big brains tactics.

[@IronFreakV]

Lol i was thinking the same thing

[@Otori6386]

"The Bloated Corpse is a living joke" But Legend, it's undead

[@arunaschlevickas322]

dead joke dude..

[@ItsDaKoolaidDude]

@@arunaschlevickas322 beating a dead horse, you

[@MisterUnknownSmith]

Un-living joke

[@johnj.spurgin7037]

I actually got a lot of use out of them earlygame, since I could pitch one into a unit of strong enemies and wither them down for the weaker forces I have at the time. Also good for gatebreaking.

[@knightshade3d51]

John J. Spurgin I’ll use them every once in a while, but only in the early game. Going up against some of the skaven skavenslave stacks as Luther harkon. The skavenslaves will approach my front lines and from the rear 2 bloated corpses will flank them and ka-boom. As much as 500+ enemies dead, multiple units broken, several others routing, others wavering. It’s good for that. It does quickly get beaten by far better units such as carronades, leviathans, necrofex, and others by mid game.

[@AntiTheory]

LegendofTotalWar: "Brettonia's worst unit is Mounted Yeoman." Peasants: *collective exhale*

[@birdofgrey6542]

I know you meant the peasant mob but the yeomen are mounted peasants.

[@DIEGhostfish]

I mean a Yeoman's just a slightly richer peasant.

[@barriesandcream]

Lol

[@אביבעזר]

He said worst not best

[@TheNoodleGod9001]

Well, it's not so much 'Worst unit' as 'Unit you shouldn't recruit' So you can recruit peasants, because they're literally free, but you wouldn't recruit money, because they cost money (even if they're better maybe)

[@juanhuerta2553]

I’m going to do a White Lion of Chrace only campaign on legendary, and when I’m about to lose I’m gonna send it to legend

[@lain6796]

do it

[@ddenozor]

at the very least make sure you recruit Alastar. that would be your saving grace :D

[@Achievementsish]

@@ddenozor Implying he won't loose before he gets 60 influence.

[@mathdarven5634]

Uh, you know you'll got an easier time playing Dwarf Fortress' fortress mode in a haunted biome right ?

[@andrewvance3673]

In my later campaign i was able to get them for free. For nothing now i know why hahaha

[@yankeejim8387]

“You can’t just spam artillery.” *laughs in hellstorm rockets*

[@MapleLeafAce]

*laughs in skaven*

[@buttnuttz6119]

Yankee Jim hellstorm rocket battery go brrrrrr

[@shigerufan1]

Laughs in solar engine

[@richardpagel6959]

Oh come on, do not use the obviously overpowered units as arguments... Games Workshop gave a shit about balance when creating these rules.

[@ravezon]

1 hellstorm rockets shoots at you, it goes everywhere but at you. 2 hellstorm rockets, it was closed but still laughable. 3 hellstorm rockets, ok now its scary. 4 and above, f*ck that sh*t im out. 😂😂😂

[@Eva1337]

Bloated Corpses? Bad? NO! They're fantastic! They kill a bunch of my worthless Skavenslave and saves me having to feed them after a battle!

[@mustafaozturk2542]

It depends if you are playing in a multi or not! In a single-play campaign if you play as a vampire coast faction. Bloated Corpses will not do anything but having 1 slot for a better option as in your army roster so it's useless for you but AI will spam them at you always :D

[@ExInfamous]

AI are terrible with them lol. They keep them by their backline sometimes. As skaven, this is the perfect opportunity to menace below their backline and use the corpse to nuke their own unit lmao

[@regalecusglesne3022]

legend is a fucking idiot. a single bloated corpse oneshots the best infantries of the game for a fraction of their price. >but they suck in multiplayer because they immediatly get targeted well duh, as for every other dangerous unity that becomes a priority target. but he was talking about campaign so his logic doesn't make sense. again, he's a fucking idiot.

[@ShadowDevil13]

Me: *Recruits war wagon and sends in a disaster save* Legend: "Even the worse players in the game don't have these in their army" Me: ....shit

[@Jagonath]

Yeah I'm feeling a bit red-faced about my White Lions of Trash armies as well.

[@Airofoil]

Lol you gonna hope that email went to the spam filter

[@krankarvolund7771]

I rush the white lios of Chrace building i every high elves campaign and the first thing I think when seeing war wagons in the update it "looks cool, I want to test Empire with them" XD For my defence, White Lions were fucking op in the original game and one f the best units of High Elves :p

[@Beheadedable]

"Theres only one thing worse then a Troll" "Boom" "A giant.."

[@ikitclaw4852]

A troll Giant!

[@Mahfireballs]

Dear God....

[@Differentialify]

@@Mahfireballs There's more.

[@Prushinthespirit]

Poor trolls. Getting additionally bullied just because of that dumb gigantic fuck living above them in the building tree

[@Thrynkz]

@@ikitclaw4852 So Throgg???

[@trinity51996]

alternative title: The true WH2 Patrician's Doomstack top 15

[@FilipMoncrief]

Lmao war wagon doomstack

[@gaslar3328]

@@FilipMoncrief I mean, bloated corpse doomstack.

[@Mayhzon]

Carrion Carnage Campaign when?

[@WarmasterMoloch]

Someone needs to create a mod that gives a single faction all of these units and nothing else. Then Legend has to do a livestream with that modded faction.

[@Mayhzon]

Playable Rogue Army Faction called "The Giant Tree Bandits". Oh and also give them Goblin Archers. Let the suffering commence.

[@WuW0w0-m8m]

Mayhzon then legend has to use army compose of gobo archer+ white lion I guess.

[@WuW0w0-m8m]

Mayhzon actually he might just do another slayer campaign lol

[@FrankCastle-tq9bz]

I propose that such a faction be named "The Outcasts" - a mercenary force composed of units that found no place among the armies that initially recruited them and decided to form their own faction instead of putting up with shit from their fellows.

[@jabloko992]

Another update on the War Wagons: Their damage has been increased 10x since this video. Literally, they do 10x as much damage. They are actually useful now.

[@ravezon]

But the hellstorm rockets tho...i trade them wagons for any hellstorms every time i got the chance to do it.

[@jabloko992]

@@ravezon Hellstorms won't do shit to monsters

[@ravezon]

@@jabloko992 probably not but hell, it sure does blow shit up. By the time the monsters are near, they probably the only one left to be killed and most likely badly wounded too. If the hellstorm didnt missed that much if aiming for that monster alone. Plus, with a bunch of handgunners and spears waiting for it, i dont really think it wouldnt be that hard to deal with. Unless the ai bring a full 19 units of monsters, then i would trade the wagons for some cannons.

[@goransekulic3671]

Yes, I did Markus Wulfhart Panzer Korps campaign and...Helblaster Wagon is 10x better. Needs to setup(idk why tbh, balance must be), but it's vastly superior. Mortar Wagon is my least favorite one. To the point I replaced them with Helblaster Wagons. But yeah, Gun Wagons aren't bad these days. Just average imo.

[@nealm6764]

@@goransekulic3671 Last time I played as Franz, you could only get one Hellblaster Wagon and that was ROR, other than that it was regular war wagon and mortar.

[@delivererofdarknessshoguno1133]

Legend: "you shouldn't recruit corpse carts" AI: "I do what I want and I like what I do" *puts 15 carts into every army*.

[@icyman2]

*Sends his disaster campaign save to Legend the next day.*

[@hmssheffield1326]

" I don't have to cause I'm wearing Terminator armour" "but sir that doesn't make sense"

[@howardlam6181]

@@icyman2 By the time AI discovers that it's time to send their campaign to Legend to fix, they probably have figured out they shouldn't be recruiting 15 carts into the army

[@icyman2]

@@howardlam6181 Who knows... Certainly not the AI! ;D

[@leonsteinbauer2770]

@@hmssheffield1326 Thought of the same thing mate