Rating Your Doomstacks

[@wisp6826]

Hellstorm rocket batteries are really good, regardless on which side they fight for.

[@moondragon5630]

Not when the AI is using it but the player, thats another story.

[@aezrithferova6675]

@@moondragon5630 ? ai is dumb, just get an expendable or tanky lord to charge and clump at the enemy and the rockets will do the killing for you

[@GreenBaji]

"rate my doom stack" Legend: *uses opponent's rocket batteries*

[@Undermine5]

it's still a doomstack, just not the one we expected him to rate.

[@DrEtzor]

No no no, you got it wrong, those batteries aren't *Their* units, they're Legend's units.

[@toko099o]

@@DrEtzor Its not their units, they are *our* units.

[@Undermine5]

@Jesus McBeth ask Baltasar Gelt.

[@Zayl1016]

Skaven Artillery: "I don't even care about the skavenslaves and clanrats I hit, lol." Helstorm, wiping out high tier friendly units in a couple volleys: "Amateurs."

[@miguelrojas8152]

Best comment

[@Surtur99]

I just imagine the empire men getting frustrated trying to fire hundreds of rockets towards Ikit racing around on his wheel, dodging them. Empire general: I want every gun...To fire at that rat.

[@agostinho6550]

would be easy to hit him, just carpet bomb the whole area at the same time

[@toothpesto]

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[@dikathemas6713]

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[@gergokerekes4550]

what do you mean evryone? I MEAN EVRYONE!

[@gergokerekes4550]

@@wayfarer6464 it was in that too but it was a reference to Leon the professional, an old movie, it is pretty fun.

[@chickentendies5215]

the ability for a doomstack to be mass produced should be counted

[@Cross_111]

Absolutely but not solely

[@Hemdael]

Good point. Armies like Isabella's Flying Circus of Dread Incarnate (Terror, -4 Leadership to local enemy armies) Vampires are, I'd argue, unbeatable (much like Nurgle Stench Beastmen hordes) but 19 heroes with a specific trait + a lord is not exactly somthing you can produce lots of.

[@Sayden11]

Yes that Makes sisters so Good Stegos for Example need so much Time

[@sighman9209]

@@Hemdael Well once they are all immortal it's a question of like 5 turns, before you get them back for free.

[@chickentendies5215]

​@@Hemdael same with lizardmen and beastmen armies. especially for beastmen

[@aayushpurswani9630]

True mvp of the battle was the hellstorm rocket batteries

[@Batmack]

As usual

[@CCraft-if7fw]

Hellstorm rocket batteries Gd for players no matter what u r playing

[@calebdoty9090]

"Rate my Doomstack." - uses Ikit Claw to destroy 2/3s of the enemy before the other 19 units get involved at all.

[@milandavidovic5723]

Well we are gonna get a meme doomstack sent by someone with just Malus....

[@fuchsmichael93]

@@milandavidovic5723 he already made a video like 3 weeks ago

[@milandavidovic5723]

@Michael But he did not rate it :)

[@fuchsmichael93]

@@milandavidovic5723 no need for, its not a doom "Stack" its a one man army, you can only have one and you need a lot of work for it

[@calebdoty9090]

@Ben Hops Then he isn't a one man army any more and he dies. Spite is horrible, never get him.

[@KipperStudios]

11:03 in so far and this isn't even a doomstack video, its just an "Ikit Claw wipes the floor with the enemy using the enemy" video, LOL

[@xiaoqiuzheng3216]

And it’s even a intercept battle, where the weapon teams practically can’t get flanked.

[@TheDarthnoll]

Legend: 0 losses, defeats whole army CA: "close victory"

[@johnsandoval1246]

"LegendofTotalWar here, I have two skaven slaves and a rattling gunner. Time to inflict the army loss penalty."

[@Devchi]

I'll send a doomstack with 19 stormvermins to Legend just to see him roasting it for 20 min.

[@trumble-dj5md]

The doomstacks should also be considered in terms of effectiveness in siege situations and the possibility of mass production, I think

[@fuchsmichael93]

6 broodhorror can easily charge the gate and simply kill everything inside with the mortar shooting over, sometimes i struggle with weaponteams when the enemy has almost no units on the walls

[@jobobfreedom9105]

All you hear for most of the video is “IIIKIIIT CLAAAW!!!”

[@FailbaddonTheHarmless]

And that is not a bad thing tbh.

[@wakito64]

WAAAARP LIGHTINING !!!!

[@Olav_Hansen]

I can't even hear it anymore, he's my favourite lord ;)

[@jambondepays1969]

CLAAAN SKRYREEEEEEEEE

[@FailbaddonTheHarmless]

SCURRY-RACE

[@calebdoty9090]

"Close Victory" Final Score-1137 to 0.

[@generalharness8266]

Would be interesting if ammo was only granted once per turn not per battle. Means the ranged units are not that much of a advantage.

[@mickethegoblin7167]

@@generalharness8266 now that's an interesting idea

[@JagEterCoola]

@@generalharness8266 Ranged would become nearly unviable immediately, but I like the idea. If Ranged had like, +200% more ammo to start with, sure, I can see that working. Let ranged ammo replenish like Casualties are.

[@imMIB123]

@@JagEterCoola maybe like a per army ammo cache that you replenish from after each battle. that way its like how it is now but you could run out if you fight too many battles in one turn

[@fistfullofglass]

Damn, that first 4+ minutes sounded like Legend having to address a doomstack of Hurt Feelings Reports

[@alexandercaisse748]

Legend says this is a testing your doom-stack battle; proceeds to ignore his entire army and destroys the enemy with their own artillery while complementing about how nice and easy it is to dodge with the doom-wheel! X'D 10/10

[@theseb1979]

So we know absolutely nothing about how effective this doomstack actually is.

[@Devchi]

Perhaps we should test it against an army that doesn't kill their own troops

[@attila2246]

Yeah the video is totally pointless if you're gonna just run around with Ikit cheesing the enemy. I guess old habits die hard for Legend...

[@VulpesChama]

Well, utilizing the every unit as best as possible is the best way to go. It's also hardly cheesing in this case, unless you count friendly fire and making use of it per se as cheesing. But then I could counter argue that any form of making use of your opponents mistakes is cheesing. And this would change a hell lot of game rules. Making use of mistakes of your opponent is literally the core idea of almost all games that have opponents. Including but not limited to board games as well. This army was effective. And if you only need a couple of units in your army you still build up a full stack. Why? Because of redundancy, if your usual strategy may fail for some reason. Then you have backup to work with. Problem is, that legend may simply be too good as player. We should rate Doomstacks based on how easy the noobiest noob can win with them on legendary. Because that is the idea of a doomstack. Being the closest thing to a guaranteed victory possible. (Speaking of cheesing, isn't making use of doomstacks just a form of cheesing as well? If this vid was cheesing for you, than doomstacks really should be too.)

[@brettbaker8497]

@@VulpesChama Pretty sure the problem has less to do with "cheese" (and what does or doesn't count as cheese) and more with the fact that the army we're supposed to be evaluating never got any real screentime. Ikit is good, everyone knows that. We want to know if everything ELSE in this stack is good, too.

[@VulpesChama]

@@brettbaker8497 I know what you mean, I just don't think that you should evaluate an army that way. An army should be evaluated at how it deals in confrontations, so far so good. And how good it is at defeating the enemy by also losing as few of their own as possible And I think you see where I go from here. Sure, he could have used the full army against the other one, but that wouldn't have been a) effective and he b) wouldn't have used the army to its full potential. And yes, even without 90% of the army technically not participating you can use the maximum necessary potential to win in the most effective way. That's why I would prefer these armies to be tested by people who have more or less only a basic knowledge about how this game works. As the idea of a doomstack is that anyone can win with them at least most of the time and normal encounters. Which is also a proof the following: How ridiculously bad the battle-AI actually is. - And this proves another thing as well: Total War difficulty means sh*t. It really does mean nothing. As soon as you realize how easy it is to outsmart the AI, there's nothing stopping you. But it also isn't fun anymore, as you see yourself doing the same over and over again with the AI acting in the same stupid way over and over again. The AI does not get smarter in anyway. And forcing players to play "worse" so that the AI can handle the players tactics is plain stupid. So you end up choosing "cheese", because it is the sensible thing to do. And all armies and all encounters will be build on that. What we desperately need, at least for higher difficulties, is a better AI, so that even "Doomstacks" may begin to lose their worth. So, yes he did test the army to its full potential, the AI is just laughably bad at dealing with human players.

[@TheWhiteDragon3]

3:48 I'm under the impression that Australians have a natural tendency to tell someone when they have a problem with them...loudly 😂

[@cloud9847]

boy, that might have been a tough battle if you hadn't brought all those rocket batteries. That was a smart move, Legend.

[@THErealLOWTEQ]

From 2 years into the future... my how far these Doomstack videos have come. ❤

[@MB-ul5me]

Watching Ikit Claw pull endless handbrake turns to avoid a barrage of artillery is just so satisfying

[@LegendKiller21100]

Really loving this new format! I am not experienced enough to come up with "own" doomstacks so this will really help me! Love your content yes-yes!

[@Olav_Hansen]

There is 2 ways to approach creating a doomstack. The first is to look for a certain ranged unit/single entity/monstrous unit/cav. Spam that unit. Get a lord and 1 or a couple heroes to maximise the efficiency of that unit. Example: lizardmen stegodon spam. Lord life slaan (for healing the stegodon), hero saurus scar on carnosaur to rush arty/skirmishers and optionally a skink on a terrodon for damaging spell support. The 2nd way to create a doomstack is by having a handful of units that together are able to deal with anything. This is because some units have weaknesses that can't be overcome alone. Poisoned wind mortars for example completely wreck infantry, but They can't put a dent in a single entity. Comparatively most artillery has a lot of killing potential, but since it has no staying power it needs something else to fight with it. The stack above is an example of that kinds of "more balanced" build.

[@generalharness8266]

@@Olav_Hansen Any build that is arty based needs to be balanced, any build based around monsters does not.

[@Olav_Hansen]

@@generalharness8266 necrofex and cygor got the label arty somehow, so..

[@generalharness8266]

@@Olav_Hansen Fine I will specify more. Any army that is built around Siege Artillery needs to be balanced, and any army build around single entity (including Specialist Artillery) you can spam. And just so you are aware Necrofex is classed as a missile monster not arty. But I am pretty sure you know this given you knew what they where.

[@Cursedd16]

Nice showcase of "Hellstorm Rocket Battery goes Brrrrrrr" btw.

[@LostRealm66]

Dooms-Kill stack, Yes-yes ! Shot-shot the man-things ! Yes-yes cheese for the cheese-one yes-yes ! Also love your content !

[@theminecraftprime1]

stop

[@davidhenriksson285]

Creativity? No-no to spamming yes-yes

[@LostRealm66]

@@davidhenriksson285 Fair-enough said-told.

[@davidhenriksson285]

@@LostRealm66 Good-good

[@esaesaeesaesa]

This army is more like a late game skaven army than a doomstack. To me doomstack usually means one unit makes the bulk of the army, ie 18 dragons.

[@MrDebilsro]

I feel like the doomstack this battle were the enemy hellstorms tbh

[@the_mad_fool]

Okay, I know exactly what this guy is going for, which, as other commenters point out, Legend didn't really test. I actually have done almost exactly the same build with Empire, only with steam tanks instead of doom horrors, handgunners instead of weapon teams, and Hellstorm Rocket Batteries instead of catapults. I call this the "combined arms stack" because it's basically a modern combined arms doctrine applied to Total War. The purpose of the Doom Horrors is to function as a front line of single entity units that tie up the enemy. Because they're single entity, they take almost no damage from friendly fire artillery and don't block line of sight for your weapons teams. In fact, often enemy units will "wrap around" to surround your single entity unit, turning them into a shooting gallery for your gunners. On top of that, you can just spam spells right on top of them and not have to worry about damaging them. You mentioned that ease of use should be considered, and when used correctly, I actually think this doomstack is significantly easier to use. It involves almost zero intensive micro, because you just park your army in formation and pretty much just wait, whereas your typical doomstack basically assumes a high degree of micro cheese.

[@PitchBlackYeti]

"I've got a nuke but I'm not gonna use it" Me: **Ctrl+W**

[@Shangster949]

I'm not sure about the brood horrors, but having packmasters definitely free up winds that would otherwise be used for vermintides, allowing the casting of other spells more often, but still allowing for vermintides if things get bad. They essentially do a good enough job of what plague priests normally would be doing while also being good at melee, allowing for fewer plague priests while still getting the same, if not better results in many situations.

[@chickentendies5215]

jezzails/ratling guns/warp lightning canon could take out steam tanks easier. And the extra skill points for beasts skill seem wasted, and higher level needed to get it to full functionality

[@agostinho6550]

catapult is better... jezzails and ratling guns are good enough to kill any single entities no need for more of that... use catapults for AOE dmg instead

[@chickentendies5215]

@@agostinho6550 i mean instead of brood horrors. Any other units would be better at what they do and sync with the rest of the army better. warp lightining canons have greatest range so they can spire arti/ tanks better

[@torquevonthorne948]

I never saw more than 2 tanks on a empire army

[@SkorpionMarauder]

I use mainly a mix of poison wind mortars and ratling guns(4 and 6), with 2 jezzails and 2 warp lightning cannons. Ikit claw or warlock master, warlock engineer and 4 plague priests for the rest. I use the mortars to weaken the incoming units, switching targets so everyone gets hit. Goal isn't to finish them off, just lower their health. Their low accuracy can actually help here to hit multiple units side by side. The DoT effect lowers their hp so the ratling guns have a very easy time killing them. It's a lot of micro as they're charging, but I don't usually need to control anything else at this stage. The jezzails target lords and heroes almost exclusively, and the cannons target single entity monsters or things like steam tanks, and of course I use the menace below for artillery. When whatever melee units remain get close, the plague priests summon their rat hordes and the mortars switch to targeting ranged infantry, and I have one ratling gun and one plague priest cover each flank against cavalry flanking. The ratlings shoot into the remaining melee infantry and monsters. If I have to, I can shoot the mortars into the surviving melee infantry as well (killing my own summoned units, but what's a little friendly fire among rats?) Reason I don't use the mortars for this right away is because ranged units are more of a threat, and my mortars would cause my rats to break very fast, giving them less holding power. So I usually only do it if there's a lot of stuff that made it that far, and then summon more rats to replace them. Sieges are ridiculously easy with the mortars and actually become easier the more units they have, cause I get the army losses penalty much more easily, and have lots of targets in a small space to hit. I can boost the mortars accuracy with the warlock engineer to help with ammo efficiency. Only 2 mortars causes me to run out of ammo too much, so that's why I normally have 4. Since my other units don't use their ammo, my balance of power stays very high. The biggest problem I have with this build are monster spam armies and single entity flyers like phoenixes and great eagles. Howling warpgale can hold the flyers in place, but my ratling guns are still needed for the infantry, so I usually swap two mortars with two more jezzails when up against high elves or factions with lots of monsters. Between the jezzails, ratling guns, warlock engineer and the warlock master general I use, phoenix spam armies are much easier, though still annoying. Single entity ground monsters get shredded by ratling guns. I don't usually need to switch them out too often, as the ai never actually makes arcane phoenix doomstacks. Can't really send this build in cause I use mods (nothing that would really alter battles), but thought I might as well share and see what people think. P.S. wow this got long.

[@chickentendies5215]

@@SkorpionMarauder try disabling all mods then press enable all saves in the load menu. Load a save where you have a battle and then save the game. That should create a save where no mods are enabled and you can send it. Should also probably make this a comment not a reply so more people see it. Your army seems well balanced. The mortars do a better job in sieges than catapults. You should try sending it to legend

[@russiafsuall]

read the title as dating your doomstacks and was a bit confused but highly intrigued

[@SgtHatred42]

Next spin-off series brought to you by Legend. Matching legendary lords/factions to their future perfect doom stack

[@jtojagicc]

Legend is simultaneously playing everyone's campaigns at this point lmao

[@imheretosteal3936]

i like this army. its not something you see everyday. and like you said, thanks to the bood horrors you could take care of the steam tanks easy. and with the packmasters you can get wolf rats. and they are rly good thanks to their speed. i can think of many situations where fast units are needed.

[@lobomuffin1775]

Me: favorite races is Skaven. Also me: sees a bunch of units and spell I have never seen before. (surprised Pikachu face)

[@vexn3699]

I think it's important to rate how effective and easy to use they are on siege battles too. I love weapons teams, but for the life of me, I struggle so much in sieges

[@ZombiGamer1679]

Honestly you get way too much shit. The way your channel keeps growing the amount of requests that you get sent in is absolutely absurd. But just the fact that you take it upon yourself to not only get through them all but also respond to them including refusals is going above and beyond. that is A TON of work. You're a great content creator, your videos are very interesting and often fun. In certain cases even really informational. Love your channel mate, keep doing you

[@zwestlich6587]

Watching those doom flayer running around is my favorite thing.

[@alibh2022]

legend has to clone himself so he can respond to all emails

[@Kilen_BE]

RMD concept is cool, just not sure testing any stack vs 1 army having 70% or so of auto resolve chance is really that useful. At least 3 full AI stacks with decent/strong units within, or 4 full stacks... Or even 2 enemy stacks having lots of nemesis units of your own, that could work as well, but if it’s just a formality to win, meh, not sure you can test it for real... But the RMD concept is pretty cool 👍

[@GameDehne]

To be fair when I sent this in to legend I was struggling finding multiple armies together cause throt dealt with majority of the force that were in that general area there by himself cause also chaos invasion was going on so they were dealing with them as well

[@Kilen_BE]

Sure mate np, you was right to send it in anycases. It’s not always simple to find the best challenge to test a doomstack and send it to legend. It was not really a criticism against you, more an overall point of view to present a RDM video in best context to evaluate it... but better to send a relatively easy battle and show the doomstack than wait forever and lack the opportunity to send one, etc. You was definitely right to send it 👍

[@xensan76]

Oh boy, here comes the "staunch lines of spears!" purists

[@FailbaddonTheHarmless]

9:23 When you find yourself in berween of a hammer and another hammer.

[@q_eredaane4906]

so for the first one, I'd say its an 8-9, depending on playstyle, if you like magic, then bring extra mages, if you need more things to tank for the weapons teams, or have unbreakable units the brood horrors are a nice addition, they can also assault gates nicely in sieges and the pack masters can create diversions (tecnically possible with menace or mage summons too)

[@AssassinFOURnolan]

We also have to factor in the campaign costs. Pack masters and brood horrors require tier 3 and 4 monster buildings to recruit and increase their capacity, plague priests get bell polishers and can fucking multiply themselves without extra buildings. That ability to be able to get basically infinite priest capacity with only one building is really unique and overlooked. You aren't just building for one army, but a template for multiple armies. I'd suggest 1 or two pack masters and no monsters, spamming plague priests is easy and extremely viable for creating a barrier between enemies and your weapons teams, but packmasters give replenishment, scavenge, and can spawn light magic/poison dmg cav without magic, making them better for flanking or distractions, so they shouldn't be ignored entirely.

[@MrFatbard]

translation: legend only opens skaven emails :P

[@Lethoras]

That doom stack might outperform your usual set up in Siege battles.

[@SoulOfGmod]

I like this concept. I remember the Dwarf battle where someone made an Irondrake Trollhammer Torpedo stack that annihilated dragons in seconds. Would love to see more like that.

[@Azuru69]

You didn't play with the doomstack, you just cheesed the fight.

[@ntrong32]

If he's going to play with a doomstack and give it his rating he's going use his playstyle. If the user wanted him put the doomstack units through their paces they should have sent in a battle that required the full use of it.

[@Benmans404]

"Ah yes, this army has a high level lord in it, 9/10 doomstack"

[@benlarson8043]

1 Lord, 5 ratling guns, 4 warpfire throwers, 2 plagueclaw catapults, 1 warpfire cannon. 1 warlock engineer, 1 warplock Jezzeil & 5 poisonwind mortars. Line the ratling & warpfires up RWRWRWRWR. Mortars behind. These will do most of the killing. Those that get past the mortars will be shredded close in by the guns.

[@mickethegoblin7167]

"I feel like doing a Skaven one today" You mean, every day?

[@ph2559]

I'd argue that this type of doomstack is better against high tier HE armies with lots of phoenixes because the brood horror will/can attract these single entities. Personally without the cost i would put it at a 9.1 or something.

[@changliu7346]

I would only put maybe like 2 brood horrors in the weapons team stack when playing throt. When you get attacked by most cavalry army and corner camp they tend to put a lot of pressure on the side since they still trying to flank you. You can just wait for them to blob up and warp bomb them.

[@Phaoray]

Amusing video as always, though I will say that after watching multiple videos of a unit dancing around as he wastes all the enemies ammo that a 'skip dancing' button to see the actual fight might be nice. ^^;;

[@GameDehne]

See what I was hoping was he would actually use the brood horrors and pack masters more but that didn’t happen he used it very differently then I thought he would cause I did want him to also have fun with it

[@MrCyseron]

Great video idea! Really looking forward to see some interesting doomstacks in the future!

[@normanritter-official7227]

Rate my Doomstack: norsca army full with giants Legend: 10/10

[@Lexxicator80]

Ikit Claw is a doomstack by himself

[@alirezarezaei2976]

The guy sent email: Rate my doomstack army legend,its amazing!!!! Legend: You mean that empire army? Hey how about my kind of doomstacks? I usually use 4 jezzails ,4 Rattling guns,4 Plague claw catapults ,2 poison wind mortars ,2 Globadiers(close combat destroyers when enemy came into contact and also phenomenal performance in ambush battles and sieges), 2 plague priests(crowd control) , 1 warlock engineer(weapons team buffs and movement range)

[@Olav_Hansen]

It's almost legends' doomstack. To be honest globadiers kinda suck imo. My setup is 1 warlock master, 1 warlock engineer, 4 plague priest, 4 ratling, 4 jezzail 2 poison mortar 2 plagueclaw and 2 warplightning cannon. If I fight stacks 1v1 I barely need to fire my rattling guns, so I can't imagine the enemies getting even close enough to properly use globadiers. I know people always say that "there's no need for warplightning cannons", but every time I bring an army without them when facing bretronian cav or 5+ single entities I regret my life choices. Skaven have so much versus infantry, warplightning just works.

[@alirezarezaei2976]

@@Olav_Hansen The gobadiers are not suck in my opinion you just need to upgrade them via Ikit workshop and know how to use them I even some time gave up on rattling guns and just using 4 globadiers and 6 jezzails and still works phenomenal And something to consider is by using globadiers and jezzails you will be able to use checker board formation so effectively as skaven Just form a 4 line checker board with the heroes in the 1st and globadiers in the 2nd and jezzails in the 3rd and finally plague claw catapults and poison wind mortars in the 4th line Just take it from me: putting globadiers right next to the front line will just absolutely shred your initial enemy forces I even checked them in front of questling knights and they just annihilated them before they even touch them

[@thaliatherasdotter9175]

Couldn't agree more. Legend is right. 2 Packmasters and 2 Plaue Priests sound better, while the 3 brood horrors aren't a good trade off for the lost firepower

[@Moberick21]

“I don’t open vampire counts emails” Awww, I’ve been waiting for a vamp video, my favorite factions since tww1

[@sympunny8636]

i wonder what the problem is with them that his view ratings are low? It's perhaps the prevalence of skeleton spam, which although it's effective doesn't make for the most interesting fight (once you've seen one ammo wasting followed by skele blob, you've seen em all). That'd be my guess as to why the vampire counts videos don't draw viewers.

[@jimbob4447]

Crazed giant rat does wheelies whilst dodging hundreds of rockets.

[@ladders7087]

I would say just drop the brood horrors for plague priests. It'll mean that army loses a bit of ranged power and a bit of holding capability, but makes up for it in a massive mobility boost (Using Packmasters to be fast and deal good damage and Wolf Rat summons for squishier targets). Plus, it means you can put even more rat-things on a battlefield.

[@Olav_Hansen]

Legend you should judge on 3 categories: Upkeep, how hard the stack is to create and how good it is in the battle. For example the okoi 20 stack is really strong in battle, but when you are at a point in the campaign to actually create 1 or several, you've already won. And in terms of upkeep since the lords are already fairly expensive, and can't be reduced as much that is also pretty expensive.

[@saintpres4ge533]

Bretonnia Doomstack, Lord, Paladin, 4 Royal hippogriff knight, rest Grail knights. Cost is ~6k once the lord has done the final vow, allowing for a ton of them, 1 army can auto win against most enemies, having 2-3 together means any continent is an easy win.

[@edwardrosenquist1970]

Nice! This wil be a great series! I love your skaven doomstack, but I don’t have the micro to handle 6 casters with 4 different summons

[@Chris-ty7fw]

I like an odd warp cannon for that unexpected large target (range and stopping power) eg steam tank a bit less micro to go with the rest I guess. If it were straight choice brood horror (no mutation) vs warp cannon I'd go cannon. (personal preference)

[@ntrong32]

People are going to have to send in harder battles if they really want Legend to put their doomstacks to the test.

[@RogerS1978]

Close victory?? Ok I usually think that battle summary is a bit wrong but this was the definition of decisive.

[@Riwillion]

I have had battles where I killed 1500+, lost 0 health on anything, and it was "close". Fucking algorithm :D

[@youtubersbs2009]

As someone who's completed Balthasar Gelt's campaign, I saw nothing wrong with their Hellstorm battery use? Possibly a few missed opportunities to hit their own troops stood in front of them but otherwise great show by the hellstorms.

[@krehenn]

like the format! keep it coming!

[@valky5318]

I think since the reattach exploit got fixed the best skaven frontline is units with a small model count but over 1. Rat Ogres, Doom Flayers and such. Replenish after every battle.

[@Jousef9]

In conclusion: the best doomstack is the enemy hellstorm rocket batteries

[@musclegeek1991]

This wasn’t much of a test, he killed half the army with his lord lol

[@sim.frischh9781]

Yeah, purely from a hit box standpoint the Doom wheel is actually inferior. And in the Workshop the Doom-Flayer can recieve an upgrade that makes magic regeneration faster IIRC!

[@flopus7]

The ability to doomstack is insignificant compared to the power of the Hellstorm

[@alexanderc9462]

Ikt claw is like half a doomstack by himself

[@avionprime8757]

Great vid as always, and i'm really looking forward to seeing more Doomstacks. I'm particularly interested in early game Doomstacks as I tend to lose interest in a campaign quite quickly.

[@monkeybot4088]

I kinda agree. Pack masters vs plague persists I would go for pack masters now any day. For a weapons team build anyway. Clan rats vs. Wolf rats and rat ogres I would go for the WR and RO. Don't cost winds tp summon and are much better fighters for the dmg. For pack masters themselves they are much for tanky then plague persists with their Regan on the mount. I would say take away the basic brood horror replace with the missing weapons team. But now take PM over PP.

[@calebfinkle1590]

Legend have you seen the new hawkrider doomstack for WE Sisters of Twilight?

[@hellidontknow85]

Moral of the story DON’T bring hellstorm rockets to fight a rat on a Yamaha

[@MeanderingBeing]

Question regarding weapons team doomstacks: how do I most efficiently deal with terrorgeist spam? I usually bait them to the ground with warp geinders and lockem down so my weapons teams can hammer them, but after killing the first few, my grinders are either dead or shattered, and the geists are free to wreck havoc on my weapons teams' leadership, and I end up with most of them routing

[@torquevonthorne948]

Artillery + single entities usually win, hellstorm rocket batteries always win (for the player) You go either arty and monsters or arty and weapon teams.

[@ClockwerkMan]

@2:58 Prepare for the flood of "save my campaign" emails with title gore

[@Garroburg]

intense *deja vu* theme in the background

[@echoes222]

methinks that if any of the doomstacks won't be the same as yours, you will just rate it lower than 9 by definition of it not being your way :) love your videos anyways.

[@SourceBTS]

I like community videos like this. A slightly different formula than SYDB

[@katarin341]

loving the new formatstack

[@dubonstin8676]

what formatstack?

[@finlaydunn3244]

so whose sending in the pompus skink priest stack ,all on engine of the god stegodons with a life slan . :D

[@ianh1010]

Alternate title: How to add enemy rocket batteries to your doomstack.

[@erensametkaratas6593]

What is your usual Vampire Counts army? What agents do you have and how many of each?

[@DOOMPotatoable]

iirc, you get nineteen free upkeep skeletons and a vampire lord. If you can afford better units you can afford more armies. You can add in heroes (especially vampires and necromancers on corpsecarts) but that's about it. The rest of the roster is totally superfluous. You basically just use your skeletons to get the enemy army to line up so you can wind of death as many of them as possible and maybe mop up a bit.

[@erensametkaratas6593]

@@DOOMPotatoable okay. How to use necromancers and vampires? Which ones do you get and how do you utilize them

[@jameshamm1267]

The traits your looking for in your vampire heros an necromancers are disciplined and knowledgeable

[@Hemdael]

Disciplined is good, as is Knowledgable, and idealy you'd use Disciplined and have 'enough' magic from other characters. Disciplined can make Zombies go even trade with much better units, and it can quickly become a hilarious farce if backed by Kemmler and his Ravenous Dead follower (+16hp regen for zombies in melee). I find that Lore Keeper (Research / Construction cost reduction) is so useful factionwide for unlocking lots of useful tech really quickly (as Von Carstien, so get Vampires from turn 2 or 3 onwards) but doesn't help in battle. Dread Incarnate deserves special mention. 1 or 2 of these in a region is VERY helpful, as it provides the edge to break units which would otherwise rally. When massed, you can rout entire armies without any effort. Since you can get Dread Incarnate from heroes outside of the battle, just nearby on the map, the ideal 'in combat' is Disciplined, with Knowledgable / Lore Keeper for roving heroes farming Blood Kiss / keeping eyes on things / boosting provinces, with Dread on the heroes that support the offensives on the map. Assuming you dont go mass Dread for the hilarity of stopping the Legendary Chaos Invasion with Bob the Master Necromancer and his campaign map friends.

[@erensametkaratas6593]

Thank you all for your answers :)

[@fabritz1891]

I recently started using only 15 units now for Skaven Doomstack on Legendary. 3 Plagueclaw Catapults, 2 Brood Horrors, 1 Packmaster, 3 Ratling Guns, 2 Warplock Jezzails, 1 Poisoned Wind Mortar, 1 Warlock Engineer, 1 Plague Priest & 1 Grey Seer of Plague but I have Lord Skrolk instead for the moment. Maybe I should switch those 2 Brood Horrors for Packmasters or something.

[@sillyboy9314]

The brrodhorrors look like a tech against an army with a lot of unbreakable

[@GameDehne]

Not really actually they are used very differently with me controlling the army I was hoping he would do something but in turn treated it the complete same as the full weapons team doom stack. Sides the brood horrors help speed up sieges

[@NachoBearYeah]

Damn, hellstorm rocket batteries are so good that they're great even when you fight against them

[@CharliMorganMusic]

Why do you prefer the Plague Priest over the Warlock Engineer in your skaven weapons doomstacks?

[@olivenkranz]

As far as i know he uses both

[@Wulfeylol]

Because every plague priest can summon 5 units of clanrats and 2 plague monks for free to tar pit the enemy from reaching the weapons teams and artillery, so effectively every plague priest is 7 extra units in every battle, the warlock engineers are also good because they buff the weapons teams a bit but aren't super nessecary

[@Wulfeylol]

Also plague does a fuckton of damage

[@Vermbraunt]

When the Empire out Skavens the Skaven

[@POOH_LY]

Imagine being that great sword units and get hit by artilleries from both sides. 9:52

[@skyeazura3593]

Read this as Rat-ing my doomstack and thought it was a pun

[@coenvanderlinden7375]

i miss the "i let you know .... fockers!"

[@sisyr5615]

"close victory" - yeah about that..

[@r1cosito]

It seems like a mix of the moulder and skyre doom stake but i feel like choosing one or the other is more effective.

[@elvfrem]

I am enjoying this new series of videos.