Saving Your Disaster Campaigns - France's CRUSHING debt -573,000gold

[@ArcanaC]

Although you say you'll only do three episodes total I think this has been a really interesting campaign and if you went even further I'd be interested in watching it You're very good at Med II so seeing a campaign that can actually pose somewhat of a challenge with the inability to replace soldiers or repair anything, it's very interesting to watch If you continued further or even tried to win / map conquest under these conditions I'd definitely watch

[@ge3neva]

Arcana Chaos I’d be very disappointed if he couldn’t save the campiagn, if he stops at three videos the campain is hardly saved...

[@darkspirit1911]

I mean the dude can rout full armies with a couple of general's bodyguard units, but it will still be a challenge. The further you go - the deeper the shit you're in (armies run out, random giant armies like the Moors one, rebellions, generals die in battle or of old age, etc.)

[@zoeebaron9107]

Definitly!!!

[@exantiuse497]

@@darkspirit1911 Imagine taking on the Mongols or the Timurids with no retraining. I'm fairly confident not even Legend could do that, although he might be able to stall enough to get out of debt and do it that way

[@darkspirit1911]

@@exantiuse497 that could be a cool series - setup the situation to have a maximum efficient state with a bunch of armies built to counter the Horde, and start the first episode 1 turn before the invasion. But Legend is too lazy of a fuck to bother setting that up.

[@ivanvoronov3871]

It's amazing watching a campaign where legend is genuinely struggling

[@theoneandjabroni3002]

aye, tbh im almost as impressed that the campaigns original player managed to get it into such a state. Like was -587k the golden figure where he went "yeah this is fucked" or did he honestly believe on the build up to that number that he was goin to turn it all around

[@y.z.6517]

@@theoneandjabroni3002 I would be very very shocked, if the original player didn't intentionally fuck it up. Anyway, it's entertaining to watch this campaign.

[@Boarpig350]

I think legend should certainly continue this campaign it will become more challenging the longer it continues due to ever decreasing troop numbers

[@bobthetop3242]

Edward Readwin ahahahh i know right

[@MrGhosta5]

midevil 2 you only live once.

[@roblaquiere8220]

Truly a total war challenge worthy of KZbin. Watching decisive battles against overwhelming odds is entertaining and all, but this enemy cannot be outwitted using clever tactics in a single set piece engagement. Debt and attrition is a force that cannot be cheesed. Please keep going with this campaign. Prove to everyone you are a master of every aspect of Total War.

[@jeghaterdegforfaen]

Is this the SYDC that Legend can't fix? Not for lack of skill, it's just seems impossible, simply because it's going to take a long time with no possibility to replenish casualties. If each settlement had a sack value of 15000, and you sacked 30, that would come out to 450000,- and it still wouldn't cover the current debt, although the meager tax revenue would build up over that time. I suspect most rebel settlements in Western Europe were once a part of the original empire, and as such they're underdeveloped and won't yield much sack value, so the reality is that you're going to have to sack far more cities than my optimistic estimate. Even if you don't take casualties, you still have to leave one unit behind in each settlement you take, slowly withering your armies anyway. Meanwhile, the Moors have a large army that will be difficult to deal with, and it's conceivable that other enemies are also building their strength, which begs the question; what is going to happen in the next 50 turns? Is Poland, Venice or Hungary going to send a full stack? What about Spain or Milan? There's not a single city able to withstand even a small force, and the French armies are spread thin. It seems to me that it's more likely that you'll actually win the whole campaign with what you have than bring the economy out of the red. And can you do that?

[@darkspirit1911]

^ This. It's gonna be interesting to see whether he fails, gets out of debt or outright gets the win condition with what he's got.

[@stephenhartley2853]

he'll make it out of debt no problem, assuming something disastrous happens and he loses his 3 or so stacks, just means he will be making shitloads of cash, probably about 20000 per turn with all those settlements. and this is the unlikely bad scenario, more likely legend will take another ten cities before he runs out of troops with each city adding 600-1000 per turn while also reducing the number of soldiers in the army. he's about 75% of the way there by my estimation

[@y.z.6517]

See my calculation in another post: let treasury in the first turn be d0, treasury in turn t be d(t), revenue generated by each city in turn t be r, number of cities conquered in turn t be k, revenue generated by sacking in turn t be s, cost in turn t be c. Assuming that LOTW conquers n cities each turn. Integrate (k) over t, cities owned in turn t is ( n = k*t +n0 ) revenue generated through cities owned in turn t is ( (k*t +n0)*r ) Integrate (s) over t, total money sacked in turn t is ( s*t ) Thus, profit in turn t is p(t) = r * (k*t +n0)*r + s*t, Integrate profit over t, total treasury in turn t is ( d0 + (n0*r^2 - c)*t + ((1/2)*k*r^2 + (1/2)*s)*t^2 ). 1. In the long run, most money comes from tax, not sacking. 2. Money has no use, except to shorten the length of debt. 3. If he has half the troops, he expands significantly slower (about a quarter as fast). But he'll eventually pay his debt, because his cost is also halfened. 4. The only danger is that he loses too many troops. Then he slowly loses all cities. Resulting in losing the game.

[@y.z.6517]

Consider it as a survival game, until you pay back the debt.

[@meisterproper8304]

Why don't you just rise the fuel taxes to deal with the problem?

[@bobthetop3242]

Meister Proper good tip

[@mexicoball2529]

*La Marseillaise can be heard on the distance*

[@wachtwoorden2]

*GETS A YELLOW JACKET*

[@khorps4756]

why not the tea taxes?

[@Anonymous-ld7je]

Let's get a couple million migrants in and put them on social welfare too, that will help right?

[@shrekas2966]

Greece : Total war

[@__MaReX__]

Oof

[@KaRoU323]

Greek here, even Legend can't save us, the upkeep is too damn high. 😂

[@shrekas2966]

KaRoU323 Jokes are jokes, but Greece was taken down by the EU. A future lesson for small EU countries. Greece isnt an angel too. Despite the 'crisis', they have bigger salaries and retirements than in my country, so i guess greeks should stop crying.

[@KaRoU323]

Shrekas 2 Fully agree. We never were angels to begin with. Funny thing is we want to host a World Cup in the future (even as co-hosts) 😂 Anyway, I don't wish to speak politics, sometimes making fun of the situation is more than enough. 🙂

[@kantina4765]

Epic picture

[@zoeebaron9107]

This France campaign is actually super interesting! The lack of money is forcing Legend to finish the game with the army given to him, which is actually super hard... GG!!

[@Vertfil2]

56:52 Frederick II ''He who defends everything defends nothing" Or in our case more like "He who defends everything with nothing only defends his failure" PS tough legend would still crack it

[@patrickholt2270]

A French plague, desperately rampaging across Europe, caused depopulation and economic ruin wherever they conquered, for a hundred years. Is this how the world ends? Is this the judgement of God on the iniquities of Christendom, asked those few monks and priests who survived the repeated waves of sack and slaughter. No matter how far the French bandit-knights roamed, they couldn't outrun their debts, and their hunger. Even as they slew each militia flung against them, they bled away, and yet their need of coin scarcely reduced. Only time would tell which would die first: all of Europe, the French warriors themselves, or the global banking system, teetering precariously over the yawning abyss of the French debts, which it seemed would never be ended, even if every Christian in the world were to be sold into slavery by France's Pauper King.

[@patrickholt2270]

'Course, money isn't real, true wealth is human welfare, and no banking system is worth protecting at the cost of the real economy. Even in the middle ages, there was always the option to kill the bankers and burn the records to clear a king's debts, because creditors can't enforce a debt when they have no troops of their own.

[@adamlewis1580]

Legend, whether you succeed or not it's been really interesting to watch you attempt this campaign without replenishment. The fact that you've been thrust into a situation where you just have to make do, rather than building exactly what you want has been fun, especially as it's posed a challenge I've not seen you tackle on this channel before. Keep it up!

[@leoisabell9797]

The Jew of total war has failed, France is still in debt by episode 2

[@martinlopezhowe]

Oy vey

[@kantina4765]

That would suggest they've done their job very well

[@FacloFormerFavorite]

@Someguy's CPU What the actual fuck?

[@dimas3829]

hey hey people, Merchant's guild here. By your generous donations our pal Legend of Ioahim will create a business plan for Macron to get out of his debts.

[@y.z.6517]

Also, sacking is a bad strategy if he cannot repair or recruit, since money gained from sacking is so small comparing to tax in the long run. In normal campaigns, he can sack to gain money, and then recruit more troops, and then conquer and sack faster. So it makes sense. But this campaign is very different. Money has no use, except to shorten the length of debt.

[@niekriemens1316]

I really enjoy this one. All the previous disasters were less challenging I believe. I won't complain if you did a part 4 as well :)

[@EmhyrvarSpice]

This is my favourite sydc so far. It's just so interesting. I have never seen a challenge like this. I can't really see a good way to win. So far ledgend has barley dented the debt even with constant victories. And he will just keep getting weaker as time passes.

[@torva3110]

Very impressed mate, as a fellow Aussie and total war enthusiast I cant believe how well your doing this recovery! First time I’ve watched a SYDC all the way through with an eagerness to see part 3!

[@totalwartimelapses6359]

LeJewnd of total war, at this rate of reducing the debt you need like 20 episodes to get rid of the debt But it's definitely one of the most interesting campaigns

[@kobi683]

Legend this is by far the most challenging SYDC you have encountered...

[@tanisrol9334]

Just saying Legend, I think you should change the title and thumbnail of this video because I thought it was the same as last one and so a lot of people might be missing it since they think it's the same video, not a part 1 and 2

[@tonyfranksland428]

I think this is fun to see you paying debt lol

[@sld1776]

"Must have a lot of Dread to do that." With all the generals you've been executing, no shit.

[@Marco-Polo007]

You should do a vote to see what you viewers think if you should continue past 3 episodes or not. I think you should as this is quite interesting and entertaining given the challenge.

[@stephenhartley2853]

the campaign could probably be won before the debt is settled, lol

[@minhnguyen5888]

lmao, that debt is huge. But I don't think he can, because his army is going smaller and smaller.

[@snowisthebestweather]

That's true, but he should be able to start getting more bodyguards soon.

[@stephenhartley2853]

i asked him in the live stream. he said its totally do able. he is only 6 cities away from victory with -300000

[@theoneandjabroni3002]

@@stephenhartley2853 that'd be like if Greece took over the world

[@aaronhollermann9831]

Hi legend, i love your saving your disaster campaigns and although it was more than half a year ago i would like to congratualate you for this amazing video. pls make a second part or more of this economy crisis disasters i am quite frankly enjoying this very much;)

[@povilzem]

I like this one a lot. Please, Legend, keep going. I know you're only supposed to get the campaign out of disaster, but this is the one campaign I really want to see you win. Just how on earth did that fucker manage to get so much into debt...

[@lithpylarry2019]

Let’s make this bread

[@lord-k1-b050]

Did this guy believe Justin Trudeau’s like of “and the budget will balance itself” ? Lol

[@mauriciovalente1169]

“You just pay for it.” - Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 2018.

[@silverdeathgamer2907]

@@mauriciovalente1169 Republicans consistently increase both the debt and the deficit, tax cuts for their rich and corporate masters who bribe them, expanding the bloated military greatly and then they later cry about it, if you cannot truly be a fiscal republican and support Donald Trump it is like a socialist supporting Margaret Thatcher. Enjoy supporting corrupt politicians.

[@jeremycharles1191]

@@silverdeathgamer2907 Spoken like a good leftist commie. Leftists just want to heavily tax anyone making money, then give it to illegal immigrants so they'll vote for them. Welfare, Medicaid and Social Security make up 60% of the federal budget. All Democrat programs. Meanwhile they complain about using 22% of that budget to pay for a volunteer military force. The thing is those "greedy evil" rich people, (Which include the Clintons and the Obamas) can make their money outside the United States. Plus, they have the money to move their businesses out of the US completely. So if they are taxed to much here they can and will leave. Don't believe me, look at California. (www.investors.com/politics/editorials/california-companies-leave-taxes/) Look at Venezuela. Once the companies that hadn't already been nationalized realized they were next, they left. Foreign investors backed away and looked elsewhere. And the people who couldn't leave now line up for toilet paper.

[@SuperNintendawg]

@@silverdeathgamer2907 kinda gross to see all these fascist enablers on this channel 😥

[@ebercondrell6603]

Legend to a general's bodyguard, "I gave you an order, order's aren't optional, move it." What a legend.

[@tyrannicalsaint]

I don't think that you can even get the budget back to black. It'll just take too many turns.

[@MSF_Soldier_Alligator]

It's a snowball, the more cities he captures the quicker it'll come back every turn. He'll probably repay most of the debt in a few turns once he's near the end.

[@ter464]

This is honestly the most interesting one, especially since legends claimed it was easy and now he seems te be struggling with the campaign.

[@thadspangler8776]

Finish this campaign

[@ajamessssss1000]

I was waiting for this episode!

[@thylastcrusaderbigdog6036]

He spend all his money on mercenaries that’s where he fucked up he should of kept troops from towns to have free up keeps

[@KaneCold]

clearly this only happened, because the sender didn't used merchants.

[@manueldutch8238]

It's stupid you can get so far in debt. Normally your civ would rebel as hell and soldiers would go away. No money, no war. But then again, nice battles and good strategy to balance economy again.

[@andrek6920]

The garrison wouldn't even need to believe that the only troops outside their castle are a single general and his bodyguard. If they know that the general is on one side and the army on the other side, they may still risk sallying out to catch the general, since if they would manage that it would be a huge blow to the sieging army. I don't doubt that scenarios like this have happened countless times over history with varying levels of success for either side. Sometimes leading to a successful capture of the sieging general and then lifting the siege through negotiation. Other times leading to a result like you get here every time, with maybe the only difference being that the enemy atleast kept a minor garrison and the sallying force simply surrendering when the tide turns against them. Really the "cheese" tactics that LoTW uses aren't the unrealistic parts of his playstyle, the unrealistic part is that he has a 100% success rate.

[@Pemmont107]

I don't believe it's possible for one player to get sooo badly in debt. Like, seriously; even the _worst_ player cannot get so badly in debt. At _some_ point during the game you'd think he'd look at his balance and think: "Huh... maybe I should do something about this."

[@NMahon]

Maybe he though he could rush the victory

[@gabepastel3447]

Do you think this all could've been avoided if he had focused on merchants. Asking for a friend

[@PostRobcore]

I just finished part 1, what great timing (

[@kaleidoscope3234]

This probably the only campaign I see legend doing part 3

[@theoneandjabroni3002]

its probably the only SYDC campaign where i want to see a part 3, this should be a steam achievement

[@spyrosns56]

22:10 If you had kill the king, Spain would be destroyed. I think you had already kill the heir.

[@napoleoncomplex2712]

Legend, maybe if you were to fight that Moorish army in the mountains or on a bridge? If the enemy cavalry panic, those ghazis probably won't put up much resistance, and the whole army could chain rout off the field.

[@snowisthebestweather]

I feel like an easier (but much more boring) way to do this would have been to get all your armies back to the british isles, capture all of it, and then disband most of your military. You would probably make the money back eventually, and it wouldn't matter so much that you don't have much military because the AI doesn't like to attack islands very much.

[@WellWisdom.]

"AI doesn't like to attack islands very much" What? tell that to my AI, I'm on the British islands and been besieged by all my neighbors, even the freaking pope is invading me, I didn't attack anyone just stick to taking rebel settlements and defending my borders. Campaign as England on very hard.

[@snowisthebestweather]

Weird. I'm most of the way through a Scottish campaign, and the only ones to even try were the Portuguese with a very small army and the Danes, who never even made land because I destroyed their fleet.

[@FranciscoHernandez-lz5nb]

Please. Do a third part. Link up the empire. Even finish the campain... Do this time only. For a change.

[@SereglothIV]

Original's player adventures are like in that meme with the guy from the Minions. > play the first campaign ever on easy > conquer the world in 300 turns > start a campaign on vh/vh > be at war with 12 factions and 500k in debt

[@toeknee3410]

Im assuming he's already "saved" this campaign and we just need the episodes to come out. This really is a cluster fuck of a campaign. I can't believe someone would neglect their economy so much and then proceed to end turns knowing he's going almost 100k in debt. At that point your instinct should kick in to either disband some troops or use the ones you have to take more settlements lol.

[@ieltsthaytrung]

first time seeing you doing a med2 SYDC with more than 1 episodes and this one supposedly take 3? damn it fucked hard

[@TheSteve_1992]

Now I know, why Napoleon wanted to conquer the world: look at this friggin debt. All the money in the world would just be enough to settle it with 10ct to spare, holy shit

[@toxic-hippo1016]

how does one get that in debt and not attempt to remedy it ??

[@SkillaWillits]

This is quite the challenge. Have to win basically with the troops you have.

[@herewegoagain1140]

You need Yellow Jackets mod!

[@TheRedeemed117]

needs a third episode

[@willdbeast1523]

Is there reasoning behind where you position your armies around a city when you trick them into sallying out? you always seem to put them almost but not quite opposite and I was wondering if it was just a coincidence

[@AWingedOne]

"We need MORE problems," 1:03:30...Oh there are the Moors. ja ja ja

[@Neerus2007]

Ready and able

[@Sunscreen723]

Watching this in 2023 ,still entertaining

[@73hd99w]

You could abandon small settlements and leave them to the rebels. Focus on the larger and richer settlements and move your capital more closer to them. You could also try to make as much money from ransoming, since you need money more than dread. Use diplomacy to force other factions to pay you money.

[@aaronmutch1883]

In regards to your opening statement. Don’t worry about what everyone says bro. We all love your content. When you’re making videos that you have fun recording, we all get to profit. Trolls are everywhere but you can just horse sandwich those mutha fuckas.

[@bigchris1234]

This one might be too fucked for even Legend to unfuck it which is why I'm loving this. No way this will be taken care of in the next episode.

[@vtl_art3393]

Could you share out this save file? I would like to give this campaign a try.

[@youraveragebrit7423]

Better then my debt

[@snowisthebestweather]

Would it be reasonable in this case to let someone capture a damaged city, let them repair it, and then recapture it?

[@y.z.6517]

It's not cost-effective. Better to conquer new cities, and keep the existing cities for taxation. Maybe this is a good idea when he has too many city, and public order becomes a problem.

[@tubbyidiot8312]

Don’t send this back until it’s not fucked legend

[@moineau69]

Lol that scream at 1:16:50

[@Grabacr-pl3wy]

Did Legend ever play the Lord of the Rings mod or the Warhammer mod for Medieval 2? Those are kinda difficult and I want to watch him play it

[@041mikey]

In short yes hes played the lotr mod for medieval 2, but why do t you just search for one and find out for yourself in stead of waiting for a reply

[@lek1223]

i'm still not sure how he even managed to loose that much money in less than 50 turns. Closer to 20

[@hernandogaribaldi8627]

Hiring a ton of generals. They could eat your finances pretty quickly if you get a lot of them.

[@yordanazzolin]

"There is no dishonneur in winning men" - France FIFA world cup semi-Finals

[@Pedro-zu3uq]

Cmon bro, you can do it

[@Vermeillon]

I had a campaign with the juliar about 200k in debt too. Couldnt save that campaign. xD

[@TheAnon03]

How does that even happen?!?

[@yobitchcantfindme5288]

It's​ seem​ like​ the​ sender are​ very​ bad​ at​ building​ the​ Cities​ and​ the​ plague​ hit​ him​ in the​ same​ time​ so.. There​ you​ go​ big​ debt...

[@vectordesign2255]

Ah, but Legend still has general's bodyguards. with them, he cannot lose

[@cc0767]

The debt "mechanic" in medieval 2 is kinda interesting. Definitely better than in attila though, where soldiers run off because you have negative income even though you have money on hand.

[@armin6067]

1:13:55 literally 1v9

[@oilrig834]

He went to war with every one and towns dont have no one to trade with just looks his towns there is no town close to 1k and of course static armys

[@cerdic6867]

it looks like the ai is broke too lmao, lots of peasants and no garrisons

[@FairWeatherFans]

Jesus that debt.

[@lebastard7421]

O_O that's quite a debt....

[@bateriesrl6591]

why build the arty buildings ??? u dont need them & do not use them so u can demolish them

[@Truewooper]

any diplomats? perhaps getting peace with a couple of countries might help? cause wow this is really a messed up game

[@TheLordboki]

It's impossible to get this deep into debt so fast. I'm guessing he used cheats to do it.

[@Overlord734]

He had negative income for more than 35 turns.

[@miot22]

I wouldn’t say you’d need to use cheats. Just set it up so you have a massive negative income and click end turn for like 30 turns. Let the rebellions spread and spanish take 2/3 of the territory you had and to make it especially desperate, screw with the pope and take rome. That basically ensures excommunication and a crusade declared on you.

[@theoneandjabroni3002]

from episode 1s analysis, it looks pretty legit. Massive armies just sitting in cities as garrisons, stacks full with mercenaries, lack of developed settlements to support the rapid expansion Op undertook and the fact that what meagre income those settlements provided was taken away bit by bit until the empire was fractured all seem to indicate this actually happened without cheats. Its borderline impressive in and of itself

[@roblaquiere8220]

You wouldn't need to cheat to get this far in the red. If one intended to get large debt, to make a challenge, they could just decide to gift massive amounts of gold to AIs over many turns. Do that with as many AI as possible and I bet it could rack up to any amount of debt you wanted.

[@miot22]

Man WithCubes Once you’re in the negative you can no longer keep that up. It’s more sensible to build up a small capital (like 20k) and use that over a short period of time to recruit a bunch of expensive mercs and drop your income to -5k per turn. Once you’re in that state, it takes a couple of turns to eat up your piggy bank and start the snowball. Lose some towns to rebels and the spanish and your income drops further. Get excommunicated to ensure christian factions hate you and join a crusade against you to lose more towns and any trade deals. By now your income is 10-15k per turn in the red. Click end turn mindlessly for 30 turns and voila, -500k in debt by turn 50. Rather than cheating it reeks of a deliberate set up. Nobody is this incompetent (unless the player is 8yo) to get to a point where you’re over -500k in debt. As soon as you’re in the red (2-10k) and your expenses exceed your income by that much, there would be evidence that some measures were taken to stop the downward snowball. Yet we see no evidence that such steps were taken, in fact it appears as if absolutely nothing was done other than end turn and the occasional battle while waiting for the debt to sink further.

[@RoboticsBay]

Still the same shit today

[@Battle_Brother-e3v]

Roman Campaigns you havent played yet: Prologue (Rome 1 Total War)> you can conquer the whole of Italy Prologue (Rome 2 Total War) Gallic Empire (Rome 2 Total War) Palmyra (Rome 2 Total War ) You have served Rome well, but there is still some work left.

[@elprimiko5286]

u could put very high taxes for 1 turn for making a little bit of money

[@LegendofTotalWar]

its not worth it for a riot that causes damage to the buildings, which cant be repaired

[@alexanderc9462]

it would be interesting if you could win this by that i just mean get out of debt

[@theunknownpersonism]

Legend, I think it's a good idea to destroy useless buildings to gain cash to pay down the debt.

[@bobthetop3242]

Jan James Callejo like what?

[@theunknownpersonism]

@@bobthetop3242 it depends, for me the alchemist lab is a useless building, so does the printing press, and the merchant bank. For legend, he thinks that ballista maker is a useless building.

[@vudat189]

Louis XVI campaign

[@googleistdoof6656]

This campaign explains why the AI is so awful at the game; Set unit production and building to auto and you get a horrible economy and shit armies. The broken pathing does the rest.

[@TheDAWinz]

More like GREECE!

[@steelydan3263]

get rid of your castles and replace them with towns and cities

[@marcusromulus5646]

you need to pay for that conversion

[@noexitnoproblem6037]

* I know what I am doing...but clearly other people don't.* Lul.

[@TheMeelickMafia]

episdoe 3

[@FacloFormerFavorite]

Your comments are full of anti-semitic remarks.

[@thylastcrusaderbigdog6036]

He should just use the cheat code add_money 40000 Back to back done deal

[@meisterproper8304]

And there is the challenge?

[@Cephas_13]

If this game was realistic there would be Jews or Italian bankers for loans lol

[@TheMuncyWolverine]

first lol

[@leoisabell9797]

TheMuncyWolverine please dont

[@epicspoon400]

Please *don't*

[@vectordesign2255]

Jew total war