Thirty years of magic: 1994: bolt the bird 2024: ban the bird
@SilentpoppyАй бұрын
the fact they intentionally made the bird unboltable is the most absurd shit lul
@c.alexander41992 ай бұрын
The fact that the land comes in untapped is absurd.
@nhagan0012 ай бұрын
Hell yes. Most artifacts that cost 2 end up coming into play tapped (mind stone being an exception because it’s colorless mana I think). You pair this with a single mana generating creature on the field, and you’ve gotten insane value out of this 3 mana creature. When was the last time such an OP card had to be banned on MtG online? Feel like it was a green creature.
@mightyhulk14832 ай бұрын
The most op thing about the card actually is the quotation mark placement. If it was moved so you could only trigger twice total per turn, it would be a lot less silly (there would still be flicker stuff but that’s relatively ok)
@MattTorres2 ай бұрын
That and it's unlimited per turn when it's such an open ended ability, being that it counts ANY targeted ability and heck why not it gives the ability to every creature not just itself for some reason. It's hard to think of a commander aside from maybe Golos or Chulane where there's so little thought needed to make a deck that doesn't just function but obliterates the game.
@mightyhulk14832 ай бұрын
@@MattTorres yeah this would be a lot more fair if it just said spell
@mightyhulk14832 ай бұрын
@@MattTorres the only card I can think of that breaks the game this much is leovold
@personname60472 ай бұрын
Things must be serious when LegenVD has to take a stand against a card that resembles a Hoopoe
@grubgobbler3917Ай бұрын
Looks more like an ibis, to me it looks specially like the bare-faced ibis (Phimosus infuscatus).
@elt49432 ай бұрын
"Reading the card explains why the card should be banned."
@dkznikolaj70132 ай бұрын
As you can see your honor, it has the words "Counter target spell". I rest my case and hope for a ban.
@doodeedoodee2 ай бұрын
Literally just making the land enter tapped makes this card way less deserving of a ban. It would still be super busted, you are ramping or drawing 2x per creature on the board with the combo out, but it wouldn't just instantly win the game the second it's assembled so often.
@vigormortishs2 ай бұрын
@@doodeedoodee tapped and 2x activation per turn per board (not creature) and it's 100% fair
@arturstasienko2234Ай бұрын
Playing any good commander vs bad casual decks looks the same. Nadu is one of the most broken commanders, but it has its weakness. its a one-trick pony, mess-up that trick and deck folds to every thing. Same thing people said about tergrid, and it sucks. If it is banned in Brawl, sure dont care its not magic. But in Commander nadu is a good commander, thats all, probably not even the best simic commander. So if you think he is broken you just suck, sorry. Again in Brawl it might be broken as you cant play good cards.
@lt7388Ай бұрын
Like a run away moped committing vehicular slaughter
@jetfire76802 ай бұрын
“Apologies your honour, Free Bird was on.”
@antoniomendes71712 ай бұрын
What minute that happens?
@astuteanansi49352 ай бұрын
@@antoniomendes7171 It's not actually in the video
@haveiszalfaroqie16282 ай бұрын
@@astuteanansi4935 We just need someone who is willing to sit through those steps and triggers.
@rumfeen1838Ай бұрын
That bird is so free
@alainassaf2 ай бұрын
there is a good reason most cards are printed with "land enters tapped".
@eq2lornick2 ай бұрын
It isn't often you see LVD asking for a ban so you know it's bad. If it was only 2 total triggers per turn I think it would be reasonable. But 2 per creature is BUSTED!
@davestier62472 ай бұрын
Yo dawg, we heard you like extremely long non interactive turns so we put a land on your draw so you can ramp while you ramp
@SkinSuitSteve2 ай бұрын
Also a PS2 in the trunk, cause ya know, all those car meets gonna wanna be playin Spyro.
@indebtfolife2 ай бұрын
Me at end of first match "Oh so it's broken - broken 😲😲"
@benzbubblecat2 ай бұрын
when it's turn 3 and your whole deck is on the battlefield
@spencerbell83862 ай бұрын
"Draw a card, if its a land put it on the battlefield" okay we GET IT wotc
@TheStanishStudios2 ай бұрын
Worst part it’s not even a draw effect, so it gets around Narset and Sheoldred hate!
@why2k872 ай бұрын
Simic try not to be about drawing cards and playing lands challenge: impossible
@Dragon_Fyre2 ай бұрын
@@why2k87That’s sort of the joke from WotC. Everyone always bashed on Simic commanders that all they ever do is play lands and draw cards. Technically, Nadu Winged Wisdom does neither. 😂
@aardv_ark2 ай бұрын
This bird is disgustingly good with Ivy and mutate spells
@strangelaw63842 ай бұрын
don't you dare
@davidhower70952 ай бұрын
This bird is disgustingly good, period
@astuteanansi49352 ай бұрын
This bird is disgustingly good ftfy
@AngoDecay2 ай бұрын
i cant loose the feeling that they wanted for the abilty to only work 2 times per turn in general but someone fucked up somewhere
@LegenVD2 ай бұрын
Yeah, something feels off about it.
@starmanda882 ай бұрын
Idk they have copped to that before and fixed it in oracle. If this was a genuine error they would’ve said that by now to prevent the impending Nadu summer.
@noodlesalad2 ай бұрын
I don't think so. Power level of MH3 is very high. It's balanced for Modern and Legacy where it's strong but maybe OK. It just happens to be completely busted in Commander and Brawl.
@BlazingSerenadeАй бұрын
@@noodlesalad no, it's busted in modern too
@alpha34098Ай бұрын
@@noodlesaladall you need is to look at the Results of Pro Tour Amsterdam to realize that Nadu is really broken even for Modern well This is the second time that they put a card designed for Legacy/Vintage in a straight to Modern product. And the end result will be the same for both cards (Cards that are too busted they would have to be banned in Modern) At least WotC can nerf the card in Arena to put it back into the place it supposed to be. Just like how they had to do for the One Ring (which I hope it keeps its nerf after it rotates out of Alchemy)
@phyrexian_dude46452 ай бұрын
Before Nadu: Shuko costed betwen 2-3 USD After Nadu: Shuko skyrocket betwen 20-30 USD
@sosukelele2 ай бұрын
Truly stonks
@hyperjank51292 ай бұрын
There are a few others that had similar spikes. Specifically the one that makes any number of targets change color
@user-rk1kr2uv2b2 ай бұрын
TWICE for EACH CREATURE for EACH TURN! Lands enters UNTAPPED and abilities gets triggered NO MATTER WHICH PLAYER TARGETS IT! I’m pretty sure the card costs like 6 or 7mana, right?
@Finnigan282 ай бұрын
And 3/4 flier, which makes it really hard to immediately take it down in red, and an evasive creature (so you can even use blue enchantment that triggers on damage dealt to players)
@MyamsaMRSАй бұрын
The worst part? you cant even bolt the bird lmao.
@malcomwren83362 ай бұрын
Bird Up
@geronimo81592 ай бұрын
They didn't think that one through, huh? I like his look though...
@ender41012 ай бұрын
It's a shame to see good looking art in some busted simic landfall bs creature. Would've loved to put him in my decks for the looks.
@aeolus77622 ай бұрын
If they could just stop printing 1UG cards that were busted, it would be greatttttt.
@mixdberries2 ай бұрын
It’s weird that this is the 3rd time. 😢
@alysondavy24852 ай бұрын
It's only missing it's name being 3 letters.
@LegenVD2 ай бұрын
@@alysondavy2485 It's still only 2 syllables!
@aeolus77622 ай бұрын
@@LegenVD That works since the rest are also only 2 syllables!
@Verd2542 ай бұрын
Classic. It's almost like ramping and drawing cards are the two most powerful things you can do in the game.
@ariadne87892 ай бұрын
7 lands plus sprawl on turn 3... LvD: "This is not normal" XD
@hyfynorris2 ай бұрын
I love how universally (and justifiably) hated this card has instantly become lmao BIRD UP
@Olematonnimi2 ай бұрын
I play it fairly (I don't play counter-spells).
@user-rk1kr2uv2b2 ай бұрын
@@Olematonnimi The fact that ppl can play counter magic in Nadu deck is absurd…
@lVideoWatcherl2 ай бұрын
@Olematonnimi Any targeted removal still gets you value. You _cannot_ play this card 'fairly'. It is inherently unfair.
@TheWorldsStage2 ай бұрын
Even the Grenzo player was like nope 😂 YAH-BOOBAY
@astuteanansi49352 ай бұрын
You are playing against BIRD UP, the worst deck in Magic the Gathering
@philipbell9152 ай бұрын
Grenzo scooping on turn 3 has got to be a pretty strong indicator that Nadu is an issue.
@RandomLoafMomentsАй бұрын
I built a jank Nadu EDH deck with no ramp. Turn 6, I wind up with 8 million scute swarms. This is fine.
@bakarogers71462 ай бұрын
Two possible solutions: -either have the ability trigger a max of 2 times across all your creatures -only have it apply to opponents' spells and abilities
@ender41012 ай бұрын
The second solution would make his much weaker, but also much less interesting to build around. I think the first solution to be better in general You could also argue that it bringing the lands untapped and being a 3 mana 3/4 with flying are some of the smaller things that push him even more over the edge, and could be looked at as well.
@ausiidnd2 ай бұрын
@@ender4101lands coming in untapped isn't a small thing, it's genuinely pushing the combo potential of Nadu through the roof. The card should be a 4 mana 1/2 with lands coming into play tapped
@brakalanga76672 ай бұрын
The obvious balanced nerf would be up to two times per PLAYER, rather than per creature. It would translate into always winning fights over removal, in the form of card advantage. But I find almost insulting how izzet wizards winning on turn 3 or turn 2 combos with the hammer are perfectly fine and all of a sudden, if simic gets an objectively good card to be ON PAR, I repeat on par with the other aforementioned archetypes it's a problem. Historic is either busted for everyone or for nobody, this is straight up a double standard in my opinion. Brawl is a slightly different story because Nadu as a commander can be frustrating to play against admittedly. But even then, without 0 mana equipments he is more balanced than what people assume.
@ender41012 ай бұрын
@@ausiidnd Okay, small might not be the right word, but it is less absurd than the other parts of the card. It would still be able to combo with cards it already runs, like Provisioner, Cobra, Nissa, etc. The may issue is how the effect is distributed among your creatures. The untapped lands just push it even further.
@ender41012 ай бұрын
@@brakalanga7667 What does this card have to do with Izzet Wizards on Historic? It's a different format entirely, and Simic already has a BUNCH of great cards in Brawl, many which synergize very well with Nadu.
@SaphG12 ай бұрын
And it just happens to be Oko colors too. When Simic breaks the game it really breaks the game.😆
@notreallyhere672 ай бұрын
Oko/Uro colors and Oko/Uro casting cost.
@wunderbar57022 ай бұрын
Fun fact: I believe Nadu is based on the egyptian god Thoth. He patronizes knowledge but also is said to be the scribe of the dead, which is a fair name for Nadu, given the nonsense it provides.
@user-fd7jh6ys2o2 ай бұрын
When I play ulalek, 90% of the time I meet Nadu, and it's a blood-curdling pain.
@CyberBuster932 ай бұрын
This commander literally gives the bird to all other commanders, perhaps even Voja! I know that busted stuff is to be expexted from a Modern Horizons set, but this bird!? SHEEEEEEEESH 🔥 "I fear no man. But that bird.......that bird scares me." 💯
@anannoyedpanda2 ай бұрын
I'm curious to take the bird in with my Voja deck. It will be a glorious battle.
@CodfishJoe2 ай бұрын
WHAT 👏 THE 👏 HELL 👏
@AuratticStride2 ай бұрын
We've finally found a worthy opponent - the mirror match 🤣🤣🤣
@jackcavanagh40412 ай бұрын
What's craziest about Nadu is that even if you whiff the trigger and the card that you reveal isn't a land, you just. . . get to draw a card effectively. When card advantage is the weakest payoff for a triggered ability, that card needs to be at the very least nerfed if not banned.
@fluffyfang42132 ай бұрын
You could choose any two of the below options and it'd still be a decent card: 1: Restrict it to activating twice a turn total (instead of per creature) 2: Make the land come into play tapped 3: Have the option to scry to bottom if it's not a land (instead of drawing)
@noodlesalad2 ай бұрын
"This is Nad ukay" might be your most tortured yet most glorious pun ever.
@itayraviv24222 ай бұрын
31:18 Imagine trying to play this on paper. I think we are banning this bird at my commander playgroup
@ArchardMMCАй бұрын
20-30 minute turns it's hell
@Hencid2 ай бұрын
the fact that they even thought that card was worthy of printing is beyond me
@thcdreams6542 ай бұрын
I love Brawl and this card has certainly been added to my instaconcede list with Rusko and Ragavan. I appreciate the content and fully agree with your conclusions at the end.
@mantidream81792 ай бұрын
A bird wizard terrorizes standard, and now brawl. What a time to be alive
@qwerty622012 ай бұрын
The Jhoira vs Nadu match was the perfect example of what Brawl should NOT be
@vumasster2 ай бұрын
You know that Jhoira player was a moment away from slamming paradox engine and going off even harder
@qwerty622012 ай бұрын
@@vumasster Yeah, I'm saying both commanders are absolutely degenerate
@dzello2 ай бұрын
Nadu, Winged Wisdom. Venerated Rotpriest. Ivy, Gleeful Spellthief. MUTATE DECK! You have to do it, LegenVD.
@MongoTheMagnificent6662 ай бұрын
That's just..... Toxic 😏😏😏 I'll see myself out
@dzello2 ай бұрын
@@MongoTheMagnificent666 #MakeMutateGreatAgain
@clon11222 ай бұрын
Notice how he plays against no golos decks! The arena balance team hasnt given a good weight score for Nadu! Or maybe they will update it to hell queue soon.
@stripeybag69772 ай бұрын
I think the thing I hate is how it's targeted by anything so good luck with Targeted Removal since you're just giving them 2 triggers alongside the protection spell they brought
@TheBigPenguuАй бұрын
It's absurd the opinions people seem to have about Nadu. The card is clearly broken, yet the forgetful, or obstinate, swear up and down he's not. It's like they forget that EVERY commander that pays for its commander tax in some way is already extremely powerful. They don't seem to realize he's a combo piece in the command zone, or that if they target him to remove him he triggers, and you casting a spell to protect him triggers him again. and that targeting anything on your board for any reason, incidentally triggers them. The card can win the game by turn four, CASUALLY, with almost no real effort in regular commander.
@TheRealSAFN2 ай бұрын
Imagine in real life how bad it is with the 0 cost equip cards.
@teusz162 ай бұрын
I think 10:08 made your case pretty well - first time casting Nadu in the video and already it’s busted
@MaZe7412 ай бұрын
"of a spell or ability [an opponent controls]" got cleaved during the design process
@CyberBuster932 ай бұрын
42:41 "We have a safekeeper..." Ah, to keep Nadu sa... ".....to keep Nadu safe." YIPPEE xD
@patrickevanroach74982 ай бұрын
I'm in huge favor of a ban they will likely make an alchemy style nerf because I think this card is pushed to make simic playable in eternal formats. I also think mythweaver poc is a problem
@davidhower70952 ай бұрын
The thing that both of these cards have in common is that the lands come in untapped. Why did we stop doing that? Who thought this was a good idea?
@anannoyedpanda2 ай бұрын
@@davidhower7095exactly. There's a reason for this clause
@RV1AND2 ай бұрын
They'll just put it in hell queue, which fixes the problem. The issue is that in brawl they take way too long to put broken commanders in the hell queue, even when everyone knows which ones should be sent there within a week.
@twi1ightknight2 ай бұрын
it's already on my auto scoop list
@3rdtimesacharm842 ай бұрын
I wonder if they put the " in the wrong place on the card?
@benpaschke91932 ай бұрын
This might be the best commander I’ve ever played, I’m 8-2 (only losses have been to other Nadus)
@ThunderGuppies2 ай бұрын
“This is not normal” 😂
@SirGrimLockSmithVIIIАй бұрын
I think the worst part about this card is that the floor is so much more powerful and annoyingly consistent than a lot of other commander's ceilings. Like, even if you can't go infinite with Nadu, you can still ramp yourself hard in the early game to such a degree that your opponent removing and giving him commander tax does nothing to stop him. You've already given yourself enough mana by turn 3 to replay him for five mana or even seven mana. It makes meaningfully interacting with a Nadu player such a nightmare and painfully unfun even without the braindead infinity combo that happens by just breathing on him
@MattTorres2 ай бұрын
Were all the play testers laid off or something? Or do interns get to design one card a set now.
@TheWorldsStage2 ай бұрын
21:56 when LVD sees what BIRD UP is from
@Pepepper2 ай бұрын
I can't fathom how this made it to print unless literally nobody actually playtested it.
@fastydaveАй бұрын
It's fine. People like you are just soft.
@strangelaw63842 ай бұрын
That personal stance at the end and the MVP text really got me!!
@patrickwoodlands4086Ай бұрын
Here let me fix the card as Wizards should have printed it: 1. Nadu should not trigger himself. 2. Nadu should not have 4 toughness, 3 or less. 3. The ability should not trigger twice per creature, only once. 4. The lands should enter tapped. 5. If the card on top is not a land, you do not draw the card, instead you can choose to leave it or put into graveyard. Even with these changes, Nadu would still be an obnoxious commander.
@aclevername7613Ай бұрын
Not bad i would make it so his effect can trigger twice but only twice a turn and lands enter tapped. Honestly aside from the busted design this card is just boring as its the basic simic bs in the end.
@HazlerOne2 ай бұрын
I play in Historic and fun to play with midrange decks, and the matchmaking always pits me against minion of the mighty deck. Oftentimes I just put one land card and then I lose. I think WotC should ban cards like this instead.
@ThisNameIsBannedАй бұрын
Safekeeper you have to respond before the ability resolves to get a 2nd Nadu trigger , before it has shroud.
@psych0CS22 ай бұрын
Even without 0 cost equip ability cards on arena, this card is so unfathomably busted. I have played maybe 50 games with it, ive lost i think twice. Once to tom bombadil and another to a toxic deck. Everyone else either scooped or got absolutely smoked because im casting an eldrazi titan or a craterhoof as early as turn 4.
@ODIRGOАй бұрын
Who needs ASMR videos, when you have Nadu games to put you to sleep.
@mmmhhhwaffles47852 ай бұрын
I spent a good chunk of change on a Nadu commander deck, I have gone to 3 commander nights and can fully confidently say he needs a ban/nerf. I don't have any problem winning it is absolutely too damn easy to take the pod by turn 4-5 and I am no where near CEDH.
@blinkanddie33972 ай бұрын
Wow really nice editing @1:08. What a nice visual
@mightydeekin2 ай бұрын
You know a card is busted when LVD calls for a ban.
@DravenLust55Ай бұрын
How many concessions would you like to see? Nadu Deck: "Yes"
@Purple_Motion2 ай бұрын
Those layoffs hit the playtest department hard, I see. 😅Thanks for the great content as always
@thetroglodiaries2 ай бұрын
Goblin gang. The bird stays.
@electric_dream_machine2 ай бұрын
The Bird Wizards of the Coast strike again
@jinxsiemcdeath62502 ай бұрын
11:40 that is genius GOOD WORK
@tokertalk96482 ай бұрын
This card is great in commander.....if you like playing solitaire
@jonathanmackinnon24522 ай бұрын
If the music wasn't copyright it would be hilarious to play "surfing bird" whenever you take a 30-minute turn with Nadu
@sunawan2 ай бұрын
*Plays Nadu: 90% result = opponent explodes.
@AkodoNoEyes2 ай бұрын
I really like the Roil enchantment that gives you a 2/2 when a land etbs. Seems like a fun addition. And the Baloth thst makes 1/1 saporlings
@09gh2 ай бұрын
Imagine trying to play this and keep track of everything on a kitchen table.
@calvinmobley96282 ай бұрын
I think another good edit based on your suggestions at the end would be that it only triggers from spells and not abilities. Because i can also see this being a huge problem in formats like commander with access to stuff like lightning greaves.
@johnsmith-dn8kv2 ай бұрын
We gotta send this bird the way of the dodo
@Justadadonthetok2 ай бұрын
The amount of wins I see on arena content creators just from scoops is crazy from the perspective of a paper only commander player. I joined mtg too late and mainly play paper commander casually at home.
@FrelanceEQ2 ай бұрын
strong flavor of Skullclamp
@kaalesrex29332 ай бұрын
What banned? don't be overly dramatic .. 3 mana for 3/4 flying is fair .. darn I had a whole spiel in my head but couldn't even get past the first part ... 3 mana 3/4 flying would already be a pretty pushed card with any other evergreen keyword .. and the 2x per turn is just so hard to keep track of
@madeofmandrake1748Ай бұрын
Wait, that ability can only trigger twice each turn on EACH CREATURE IN PLAY?! I was like "oh, cool ramp and draw engine", then no. Just no. I remember hearing how bad chullain was back in Eldraine, this looks like his little brother or something
@Ryan-hd3je2 ай бұрын
I like this style of quick deck tech
@saveachip26202 ай бұрын
Yea this gonna lead to forcing the format to revolve around him, pretty crazy that he was really printed. Thank you legend for showcasing why something needs to be done always solid content from you
@TrisketАй бұрын
With how cheap Nadu is relative to how completely cracked it is, I think everyone smells a ban coming.
@Xsasan20012 ай бұрын
Straight to the hell queue with this bird!
@andrews60132 ай бұрын
I'm playing this as a commander right now and I honestly think I have close to an 80% win rate. This card is broken. It's purpose designed for degenerates like me.
@icarus-wingsАй бұрын
How dare you select the happy face.
@muhammadrafi47232 ай бұрын
Want the guy to be even more busted? Slap some Risen Reef and Vesuvan Duplimancy, the value would be INSANE
@brianc13302 ай бұрын
It was an honor taken the L against you! Love the content, keep up the good work LVD!
@defiantparsnip2 ай бұрын
It's pretty bad when they release a Generic Simic Value Engine commander that is better than all the other GSVEs but also combos with all of them. Absolutely disgusting. Anyway I made my Nadu deck in a simic merfolk explore shell--
@nellyi45582 ай бұрын
The nashi player was trying so hard, at least 5 pieces if interaction but the simic value engine is impossible to stop when wizards says fuck it and breaks the game for the 500th time in simic colors.
@Big_Dai2 ай бұрын
The pact of negation was a dumb play. Seeing as how they had to take a turn off, and LVD had the mama to replay it.. and they didn't have more interaction.
@T_Vulture132 ай бұрын
That Anim Pakal final turn was ridiculous 😵
@trevorp875Ай бұрын
This seems so crazy... this with Ivy makes for some stupid fun.
@dawidwidera18192 ай бұрын
A bird that's more valuable than most gods.
@RW777777772 ай бұрын
do you think they meant it to work 2 times/turn total? which you could still evade with Displacer Kitten
@danielklein58292 ай бұрын
I love the boldness of this video "I will beat everyone on turn 3 unless you stop me"
@Tiax7762 ай бұрын
You can do 19 damage on turn 3 in Standard with mono red. The opponent plays two tapped lands. GG.
@davidedwards32062 ай бұрын
If Nadu gets banned, I see it happening less because of how powerful it is (which it is very powerful), more because of the logistics of tracking all that it does and how log it takes so long to go through all the triggers, resulting in it taking very long with the opponent sitting effectively doing nothing (and thus not playing the game).
@slaphappy-qb3jb2 ай бұрын
Honestly "very powerful" barely even scratches the surface of how busted this card is. In the grand scheme I'm dogshit at MTG and I have like a 13-2 record with a nadu deck
@ProfessorBear4042 ай бұрын
40:30 Here you could have gone full control, evoked Subtlety, and targeted it twice with Sylvan Safekeeper with the evoke trigger on the stack to potentially keep going off
@paulClems2 ай бұрын
This bird has been a topic of discussion in the duel commander community here in our area. Nadu is busted af
@NotYourAverageNothingАй бұрын
So does Arena completely lack any UI for tracking how many times it's triggered for each creature?
@LegenVDАй бұрын
It shows on the card if you hover over it, if they triggered twice the ability is greyed out. Still good to keep track mentally to speed things up a bit.
@Big_Dai2 ай бұрын
Nadu was an obvious mistake.. probably made on purpose.
@thesapphirefoxx2 ай бұрын
I've gone 9-1 with Nadu so far. My only loss was keeping a two lander and not drawing a single land for 6 turns. Even in that game I still almost won.