Legit Worried For Ren - KUJO BEAT DOWN Reaction & Discussion

[@blackpanther3912]

Apparently KZbin met with Ren and the old Sick Boi video is back up!

[@Killermcknight]

Oh that is so awesome!

[@karenkruger3690]

The Renegades need to run the views on the SICK BOI VIDEO up! It's the least we can do... BUMP IT ▶️ 🔄🔥

[@JR-tr1df]

@@Killermcknight It was an illegal take down per head of YT Music.

[@DiscoverwithJason]

This! KZbin executive in charge of KZbin Music no less! I think the Copyright Strike has been removed from @RenMakesMusic since Reebok’s video is up again.

[@ulf793]

He did what he needed to do & this song makes no differemce to any case eegardong "Sick Boi"& the sample.

[@MegsD79]

Thank you as always for supporting Ren I know you guys have been supporting him all along! ***I am leaving a long comment so this is a warning ahead of time. I'm answering some of the things you asked at the end of the reaction, answering with my opinion and how I see things. We definitely can disagree or agree to disagree with respect. I wanted to say first, that I appreciate that you guys care that much about Ren. I'm sure a lot of us do and he's done a lot for a lot of us, just by putting out the music that he puts out and being the genuine person that he is therefore I understand the concern and the protectiveness and I wanted to say that before you read the rest of what I wrote because I didn't want it to come off the wrong way. It's really hard to convey tone in writing so I hope this is taken in the way it's meant, me just answering or responding to what you were asking and saying at the end of the reaction. I am just stating my opinion of the situation. Regardless of what I think or you think, Ren made the choice as a grown man and it's his music and his career so there's nothing we can do to change that and it's already done at this point. This music video has been done since the end of July or the beginning of August. Ren has been sitting on this for a month now. Ren specifically chose to make this music video public on KZbin instead of putting up on his Patreon for the Patreon members only. Kujo would have never seen it if Ren had put it on Patreon. I believe the reason that Ren put the video on KZbin was to make a statement, not just to Kujo and his girlfriend, but also to anybody else that thinks that they can just walk all over Ren and he's not going to do anything about it or he's just going to allow them to take advantage or screw him over. Ren is a super smart guy and I'm sure he checked with his lawyer prior to putting out the video with the explanation and before putting up this music video. Eminem's mother tried to sue him for $11 million and settled for $25,000 with $1,600 of that amount going to her lawyer. I think that says a lot right there. I'm sure Ren covered all of his bases and that's why the notice was up at the end of the video. Ren has said several times there should be nobody going after Kujo and he has even put out a video on Instagram saying if he finds out any of his fans are attacking Kujo he will block them. Ren said he does not need that in his fanbase, that we're moving on from here. He said hopefully the lawyers can figure this out for an amicable agreement and if not, then he's going to remake the audio for sick boi and put it out on October 13th for the anniversary. Ren has proof from KZbin now, as well, that Kujo was using the copyright strike system illegally so that's in Ren's favor. Ren had a meeting with the head of KZbin today as well. Kujo also tried to strike down this video the night it came out, it was gone for like 15 minutes and then KZbin put it right back up because Kujo has no cooyright over it. No judge is going to hold Ren accountable for a fan base of over 1.5 million people. Ren's been saying "please don't go after Kujo" for over a month since the first video he put out about the situation. He's just trying to be transparent with his fans. Kujo is the one that brought it to the public in the first place. If Kujo didn't want people in Ren's fanbase to know that he is the one that was causing the issue he shouldn't have brought it out into the public forum. I really think that Ren wouldn't have put the video up until after the entire situation was over unless he knew he was ok. Ren has decided he will not be buying any more beats going forward and they're right now renegotiating all the Beat Stars contracts at this point and Ren has met with the CEO of Beat Stars face to face. Knox Hill was with Ren for some of this and saw the song before it was recorded and stuff. Knox dissed Benzino and Benzino couldn't get the video pulled off of KZbin and he can't sue Knox. Anyone that watched Hi Ren and listened to Masochist and Murderer and Animal Flow, should've known that there's this side of Ren inside. Especially if they can relate to what Ren's going through or has been through with his mental health and/or with his physical health. I can relate to that because I have both mental health/physical health issues that went undiagnosed for a long time and I'm still not anywhere near getting better or even found anything that might help me to get better. Anybody that has dealt with those things has to have some of this darker energy in them in order to get through it daily or you would just give in and wilt away. I believe he chooses and makes conscious decisions to try to not let stuff bother him as much as he can he because of what he's been through in his life and not thinking he would live past 30, he probably wants peace and happiness and to enjoy his life and making music and not to be negative and angry and spiteful and all that. Also he missed a lot of years hanging out with friends and partying and having a good time because he was trapped in a bed. Who would want to be miserable and angry and negative all the time? Especially when you missed out on all that time and then you get a second chance at life and you're feeling better and your dreams are coming true..... You're going to want to try as much as possible to stay in that happy place and not let anybody affect you until it becomes necessary for you to draw that boundary. I'm glad he got it out and I think, honestly, that this video was cathartic for the fanbase as well as Ren and I think a lot of people calmed down after this video came out. They weren't so upset anymore because Ren took care of it and we visually saw it and heard

[@Killermcknight]

I don’t think we need to agree to disagree on anything…. I agree wholeheartedly with everything you stated. We didn’t know all those facts either that you stated, we both have seen that darker side of Ren in some of his other videos (like the ones you mentioned) and completely understand how everyone (particularly someone who’s gone through what he has) has that side. I’m sorry to hear you’ve been dealing with all that as well. I hope you get some answers very soon. We were hoping Ren would have cleared it with his lawyer, just so nothing came back negatively on him. Our only concerns we had were that things were going to get worse for Ren from this, and that people were going to go after Kujo and his girlfriend (because let’s be real…. Ren can tell people all day not to go after him or to harass him or anything else, but there are going to be those people out there that don’t listen). But yes, completely agree with everything you’ve said

[@Lunabracco]

I think only non true ren fans will go after Kujo, solid true fans definitely won't, especially after REN asking the RENegades not to, if you watch the video where he talks to his fans saying anyone he sees going after Kujo he will block, he doesn't want those fans in his fan base, you only have to see his face... That's enough to convince any ren fan to obey his wishes to leave Kujo alone..

[@Lunabracco]

Megs this was very well said, as a REN fan I'm so glad this was written ❤

[@fourcornersofbrighton]

@@Lunabracco I agree, the majority of Ren's fans understand that this was meant as an artistic and cathartic release, not a call to arms. I'm so happy that Sick Boi is back, and with that choir sample! It's been on one of my playlists since it came out, and I purchased the album so it's not like I would have lost it completely, but I am glad that Ren has it back to share with the rest of the world. Renegades Reactors and Ren Unite... it's a beautiful thing! Last year, I remember there was a big movement going through the fan base that was essentially 'protect Ren at any cost". To some degree, I understand this mentality, for anyone who has seen the blog he did when he was at his worst physically, there is a natural wish to help, especially for those who have been lifted up by his music. There's also the fact that he has a young face and he has many supporters who are older (like me) to whom he has become like an adopted son. Sort of like that hat best friend of your own child who you see as being part of the family... though I've never met him. I don't get it twisted though; he's a grown man who can handle his business. As such, I tend to hang back like any good 'book club' member would do and wait for him to tell the fanbase what direction he wants to take it.

[@MegsD79]

@@Killermcknight @Lunabracco I very carefully thought out how I wrote everything because I did not want this to come across as me being rude towards you guys or like I'm upset with you in any way about what you said because I totally understand where you guys are coming from.... I was hoping that the information I gave you might help to ease your mind a little bit because you guys probably haven't seen all the stuff play out as much as the rest of us have. I really do think the video actually calmed down some of the stuff that was already going on. Before Ren even knew that the video was down people were already making comments on Kujo's page, I guess, or at least from what I understand. As for myself, I have avoided any of that drama directly. I've watched the 2 videos on Ren's channel about the situation with Sick Boi being taken down (1 from last week and 1 from the end of July or beginning of August, I think.) I watched the Top Music Attorney's 2 videos on this situation. I've probably watched around 200 reactions to the beat down so far. I bought the single for the song on Bandcamp on Friday because every Friday when you buy the artist's music on Bandcamp the artist gets every bit of the money and there's no like split with the platform. I've tried to do everything I can to support Ren in a positive way and avoid the negative things like trying to tear anybody else down including reactors and including Kujo because 1. It is not my business even though I care about Ren and his music. There's nothing I can say or do that is going to fix their problem and 2. As a true renegade I know what Ren stands for and what he wants his platform to stand for, which means lifting people up and not tearing people down, as well as being positive and bringing hop. So I try my best to portray those features cuz that's what I admire about him and that's what I'd like for myself. There are toxic fans in every fanbase (and I hate saying toxic fans but that's what they are and I don't think they mean to be sometimes but they don't understand that when they are negative and tearing people down it reflects badly back on Ren not just them which can impact him in the long run.) So I figure my best way of helping him I feel like the best way to help Ren is to push the song to get a number one on the charts or buy the single and help support Ren's legal fees or towards making a video or whatever Ren needs it for on order to continue doing what he does. That's what I think the Renegades should be focusing their energy is on the positive support that we can give Ren so that he can not be as stressed about that kind of stuff while he deals with the other stuff that we can't really do anything about. I appreciate you guys being open to a conversation.... Social media doesn't seem to be very open to conversations in general these days unless it's an echo chamber. Btw, I know you were coming from a place of genuine care and concern because I've been watching you guys almost as long as I've been a Ren fan and I found Ren in Jan 2023, can't remember when I found your channel but it wasn't that long after. There are a lot of new Renegades that might not be familiar with you guys. I figured maybe if I commented I could do so with tact, respect and understanding and maybe that would deter others that might not approach things the same. 💙💙💙 Much love and thank you guys again for being so receptive.

[@PoliticallyPink]

Don't be nervous. 1. Kujo's copyright strike wasn't meritorious & Sick Boi is back up on Ren's page. 2. There's no liability in this song. 3. Ren's smart, isn't going to put out willy-nilly. He has attorneys that surely protect him as well.

[@K8TDidToo]

Ren is a very intelligent adult who has survived hell. He clearly knows what he is going. Byeee.

[@Killermcknight]

👍🏻

[@Kal-vl4vd]

I’m a huge Ren fan and you’re obnoxious lol. Deal with other opinions like an adult without saying something like “byeee”. You’re literally one of the people he’s talking about.

[@danielnelson3136]

*doing.

[@burakisik5216]

This was the most proper reaction I watched for this song and the issue around it. Thanks for not cutting it short and discuss all in this reaction. Greetings from London. B.

[@Killermcknight]

Thank you. Glad you enjoyed that part of it. Wish more people saw it that way.

[@iamlpinthe312]

Alan at Dicodec expressed similar concerns.

[@MikeyG830]

Ren recently met with the head of YT music. He is good. He knows what he is doing, he is a smart guy. Sick Boi is back online for now. I'd assume the legal issues continue tho.

[@Killermcknight]

That’s good!

[@karenkruger3690]

The Renegades need to run the views on the SICK BOI VIDEO up! It's the least we can do... BUMP IT ▶️ 🔄🔥

[@helenjarvis7755]

Some lovely pictures of them on his channel

[@BillyVatcher]

Thank you for being sane about the whole thing. I really appreciate your point of view. I have watched a lot of reactions to find one like yours.

[@Killermcknight]

We appreciate you seeing it that way!

[@MalcolmMXTaylor]

Love your conversation about this, you been there since hi ren same as a lot of us and i think its great that as a community we can all talk about this and share our views. 2 hoodies and 3 cats channel did a similar discussion, i think thats very special and shows the strength of rens community, and how in our own small way we are invested in the journey of this crazy thing called life (pretty sure thats a tagline from another ren reactor johnnie calloway!)

[@5150bz]

I'm sorry, but I disagree with you saying this video is a problem. This is a DISS TRACK. I understand you saying you fear for him for being so brutal, but you guys know that Eminem says and does worse shit than what Ren did in this video. The hate and anger are totally justified. And Kujo was already after Ren in the first place. I get the fact that a Ren fan might bully or fuck with Kujo Beats in the public.. but if I'm honest and I'm 10000% honest, I have no idea what Kujo Beats even looks like, and I don't think anyone else does. And again, Eminem made songs about killing Kim, his mother and other rappers he was beefing with multiple times over the past 30 years, and nothing happened. Kujo was in the wrong, and he and his girlfriend AND his lawyer trying to gaslight Ren and his team, deserves something like this.

[@5150bz]

Though I do understand you CARE for Ren and hope this doesn't cause harm to his reputation because of the way the world is right now etc. And I get it, and I care for Ren etc too. Or having backlash, but I will reiterate, this isn't about Kujo coming for Ren now, he already did.

[@FastNCurious88]

It's giving Tyler Durden and I'm soooo here for it! The man should star in his own movie! His acting and performance abilities are absolutely *masterful.* When the choir first starts singing I swear I keep hearing "stolen sample" am I crazy? I also hear "so ungrateful" too. FEAR the righteous anger of a *gentle man....* 💯🔥🙌🏻

[@jmh7743]

​@@FastNCurious88 Its acctually "don't sell stolen beats"...

[@matthewhawkins1472]

I’m happy that KZbin finally investigated this copyright strike…. But if it takes someone as hugely popular artist this long to get to the bottom of this situation then somebody that doesn’t have the following is screwed. This kind of thing has already got established case law and Ren is completely protected from legal blowback.

[@piroschkasellers7366]

I'm sure Ren did everything legally and a message for everyone listening. A message not just about the K iissue but for everyone else too. As we go through this journey called life some turn to hate/violence which is sad no matter how you look at it. It's up to us to start making positive changes to make this world a better place. I am so thankful that "stumbled upon" Ren's Hi Ren video because he has actually helped me tremendously in just a few short weeks. We all need to come together, make changes and stop all the hate with each other. Remember, we are ALL human beings ❤

[@Killermcknight]

Very well said!

[@guinevere7494]

I can picture the moment in the explanation that brought tears to more than just you and me I’m sure. His voice slightly cracks, my heart broke for him and all. I feel bad because I was having my own wild couple of weeks. People don’t get to see that side of me often. I try to be a good person myself but someone kept pushing me too far. I told someone my dragon I try to keep on its drawer came out. It is not fun to be such an empathetic person pushed too far. A lot of the reactions to this song so many said they hoped for part two. I really hope for Ren he won’t feel the need, for all levels of his health. Psycho fans exist and shouldn’t be ever connected to their excuse to release their psycho. This was an awesome great reaction. That you really care about the human being also known as Ren.❤️

[@danielnelson3136]

Great reaction video! Well balanced takes, and honestly not enough reactors are talking about the video's implications going forwards.

[@BillyVatcher]

Yes and the implications are not just legal but ethical.

[@Killermcknight]

THANK YOU. So glad somebody sees it that way. There are very few who have. Most people are just getting mad at us, and accusing us of saying we wanted Ren to stay quiet, or accusing us of saying Ren is being a bully, and all these other things. We can be a fan and supporter of Ren (and we ARE) and still have concerns.

[@justinroberts3153]

People who think like you just talked about are the problem. Being able to speak your mind in art is called freedom. No physical harm, no foul.

[@achebwahs1111]

@@justinroberts3153 Not true. The freedom you speak of is no longer protected. Not in the UK anyway. The Online Safety Act legislation recently passed through the UK parliment specifically targets online speech. There are no provisions or exemptions in the act for artistic licence.

[@Kal-vl4vd]

There is always the “freedom of speech, not freedom of consequences” argument. This could be misconstrued as a threat of violence. Say something terrible happened (i.e. Kujo killed himself). Ren could certainly be at risk of consequences. Obviously not criminally responsible, but surely open to a civil suit. I don’t blame Ren for doing this, but pretending that this wasn’t a risk and Ren is protected from every angle is silly. Ren is smart, but Ren is also an emotional artist. It’s part of what makes him special. He needed the catharsis and I’m glad he got it. Hopefully it doesn’t come back to bite him.

[@achebwahs1111]

@@Kal-vl4vd Absolutely. These new communication offense laws state harm can be of a physical nature and/or physiological. The act also makes it a crime when speech has encouraged or assisted others in causing harm. That's fairly open to Interpretation and will no doubt see a variety of offenses argued over in the courts. There's a lot of fans believing artistic licence and artistic expression safeguards an artist's speech, but there is zero provision in this new act exempting either. Claims of intent to cause harm if brought to the police, could result in charges being laid. Then there's the civil side of things. Telling fans not to abuse or threaten Kujo, but asking reactors to support a beat down video and to a huge collective subscriber base, in excess of one million, may be argued as intent to encourage and assist in causing harm. Kujo's lawyers could argue harm caused by public accusations and his name and likeness identifying him. I truly hope not, but you're right when saying it is still a possibility.

[@FastNCurious88]

Yeah. It's giving Tyler Durden and I'm soooo here for it! The man should star in his own movie! His acting and performance abilities are absolutely *masterful.* When the choir first starts singing I swear I keep hearing "stolen sample" am I crazy? I also hear "so ungrateful" too. FEAR the righteous anger of a *gentle man....* 💯🔥🙌🏻

[@polarmoss]

One of the best parts of his music is that it provokes thought and discussion. This is a risk. I think Ren considered that and chose to be fearless (likely after running it by legal). I hope. I feel like some of that line about ‘tired of being the morally equip guy’ was a bit toward his fans that put him too high on that pedestal. He WANTS to be just a dude, flaws included.

[@Killermcknight]

💯💯

[@michaelaghmalone-hansen5656]

Like you, my first thought was, is this going to make the situation worse, however, I am sure, Ren ran this past legal before posting it. It's art, it's GREAT art and it's a catchy song. At the end of the day, Kujo and the g/f did start posting on Ren's video's to his community and tried dragging his name through the mud. Ren needed to get this out, he did that and it's a warning to anyone else, that he is NOT a soft touch. As for the C word, in the UK, Wales & Ireland, the C word is used all the time.

[@Killermcknight]

Completely true!

[@IronRaspberry]

Diss tracks happen all the time. It’s a part of hip hop. I’ve heard much worse.

[@VictorPizzola]

Satire.It's a plus plus.

[@IronRaspberry]

@@michaelaghmalone-hansen5656 yes, the “C” word is a common swear word in the UK. I have a couple UK friends and get called that often. It was quite jarring at first.

[@JulitaPio]

I have lived in Ireland for the last 18 years, I confirm that the c word is used here, the s word is also used, I must also admit that I sometimes use it myself, it is in my blood now😂😬

[@lleldridge1]

Appreciate your thoughtful comments and support for Ren. Thank you. ☮

[@Killermcknight]

Our pleasure! Thank you as well 🫶🏻

[@kennethmichael5404]

I LOVE when someone can artistically relay that taking one's kindness for weakness is worthy of aggressive correction, especially when a peace offering has been refused and the moral high ground spat upon. Ren's response was not "too far", it was required.

[@Killermcknight]

I agree. We don’t think he went too far, we’re just worried about what kind of repercussions it could have.

[@mickwright8542]

Ren is not stupid, he will have checked this out with his legal team first

[@Killermcknight]

I honestly hope so, and I'm sure that he did. I know emotions sometimes get the best of us, and I'm concerned for Kujo and his response to Ren. Kujo's GF already lightly threatened Ren, so I wouldn't put it past these people, man.

[@achebwahs1111]

He would of, but Kujo has done the same. You know Lawyers though, they love doing battle against their learn-ed colleagues. Ka-Ching!

[@saragates2255]

​@@achebwahs1111Yes they do! But I think the thing kujo may have not understood until it was too late is the attorney he was given to represent him in this situation was paid for by Beatstars. Which, of course, means they are representing the best interest of Beatstars, not Kujo himself. I wonder if he'd hired an attorney for himself if he'd been represented differently and not asked for all of the crazy things the Beatstars attorney tried to get. 🤔

[@achebwahs1111]

@@saragates2255 Who knows? It sounds like he agreed to act under instruction at some point and let them do all the talking.

[@majbrat]

There are movies and TV that portray severely more graphic violence about real people. This is Hip Hop Culture. Kujo is a beat writer for this culture - he knows there is no real physical threat. He and his fraud posting gf fanned these flames.

[@robingayle68]

Sick boi is free ❤🎉 thanks for supporting Ren ❤

[@sharis9095]

The lawyers thing, if you actually listen to what was said, Kujo contacted them and they replied, basically, " Your error, you fix it" at that point Ren's lawyer probably felt it was done. Kujo said he wasn't getting a "satisfactory" answer... not that he didn't get one. I think Kujo was being given bad advise and he got caught up in the money. I think your concern of legal issues is very American though. With artistic license and the "receipts" Ren has he didn't actually say anything that could be defamatory. He told the facts, in a very angry way... but not slander.

[@achebwahs1111]

@@sharis9095 Are you aware of the Online Safety Act the UK have recently passed? The offensive communications component targets user to user speech online. It surpasses anything the the US considers a potential online crime. Speech deemed to cause "physical or psychological harm" is an offense. It is also an offense to use speech that encourages or assists in causing harm. There are no considerations or exemptions covering artistic licence. If anything written, spoken or posted online is deemed to have caused harm directly or indirectly, it may be considered a crime. I don't agree with it, just stating the legalities.

[@sharis9095]

@@achebwahs1111 I'm aware, but I don't know if it applies because I don't think Kujo is from the UK. I'm not sure how that works under those conditions.

[@achebwahs1111]

@@sharis9095 I may be wrong but I thought I heard he is in Europe. If he is, most European countries have agreements with one another.

[@Killermcknight]

Of course our concern of legal issues is probably very American. As Americans, we just know the system here and how things are or aren’t handled. Which is why we have the concerns we have. We’ve got no idea what the legal system is like outside of here.

[@sharis9095]

@@achebwahs1111 The may have trade agreements and travel agreements but they don't all have the same laws. Even in the UK they don't. Laws in Scotland are not always the same in Ireland or England.

[@DiscoverwithJason]

Well KujoBeatsOffical made this public by Copyright Striking “Sick Boi” plus making comments on his social media. This video “Kujo Beat Down” is artistic license. He made point of telling everyone especially his fans to not leave any comments on either @KujoBeatOffical on any of his social media accounts or his girlfriend’s accounts. Ren has met with an KZbin executive (Head of KZbin Music no less) so I think the Copyright Strike has been removed. Rereact to Sick Boi again. For me since the original “Sick Boi” is back upon KZbin on RenMakesMusic so I am happy for me and everyone this music video can help. The rest is none of my (or our) business any longer. Ren knows we have his back plus the reactor community supported him. This is for Ren and KujoBeatsOffical to deal with along with their legal representatives privately if Kujo keeps this private. For me I am ignoring KujoBeats going forward especially since I normally don’t buy beats.

[@Killermcknight]

Well said!

[@francesdoll4039]

Video back up until it is resolved, but i think the resution is that Ren is goung to replace it with a new Sick Boi with his own beat. He is also flirting with the idea of going to Bulgaria and working with choir directly and bypassing the middlemen (IF THERE IS TIME). I'm sure there are issues we know nothing about but i trust Ren can creatively find solutions. He has enough meat now to go after Kujo legally

[@benegesserit9838]

love your reaction!!

[@karencallaway1332]

Ren just treasures every moment of life he's given

[@Killermcknight]

As he should!

[@markmoore1738]

You both covered all your bases on this 1. I see your point on the video about it being a jumping point for someone to have a led way or starting point to go ballistic and attack someone. That wouldn’t be a true Ren fan. They are just messed up in the head and are looking for a reason to do something bad. They need help. An example would be the night stalker. AC/DC’s song came out before he did the killing. Ppl blamed them for his reactions. Any rap battle artist will tell you that what goes on in rap battles, stays there. Yes, after wife and I watched the video of what has been going on with his receipts and him saying he was coming out with a song about it, wife was worried that it could have backlash on him. Kudos to him for trying to hold his fans back from saying anything to ku

[@markmoore1738]

Kujo. Ren has been and is still on top of it.

[@Steve78joesph]

u guys my first reaction ever hi ren thankj u

[@Killermcknight]

Love that! Thank you! 🫶🏻

[@sampanther8854]

As Ren said he can fight his own battles and real fans will respect that.. Also if anyone thinks Ren is a sweet innocent Angel and they would eat his s**t 🤭 maybe they need to get some advice from you.. 😂 Thanks for sharing & spreading the love ❤✌️Sick Boi is free 🎉🥳

[@brendabromley5528]

Great Reaction! Thanks for supporting Ren🖤❤🖤

[@Killermcknight]

Our pleasure!

[@heikebroy8692]

I really enjoyed this analysis❤. I love this track, i barely listened to other music since thursday😅. But you are right, i was a little concerned too. Not because of the legal situation( i think Ren backed it up with his lawyers ), but because of some fans. I'm a RENegade almost following him closely since 3 years. There are some people out there doing crazy stuff. I guess you will find those people in every fanbase and it's impossible to control them. I find it refreshing, seeing someone appreciating this piece of art, but acknowledges the reality and the problems that could arise from it. Still love a bit savage Ren😈👀😁.

[@timbrown6715]

Dude don’t apologize for turning on subtitles. Most people that comment have already seen this video 20 times. Just like ALL Ren songs they are so in depth you need to literally hear every word!!!

[@danielletoniplater4737]

Queen Taylor I thoroughly enjoyed your reaction. Your facial expressions were priceless and mirrored my own when I first watched. x

[@Anisoptera_77]

Ren already said… if he sees anyone making threats against Kujo and team, he will block them straight away. They are not the fans he wants. Can we just appreciate him for making *1 Uk album chart as an independent artist ❤🎉❤🎉❤

[@Anglo-Brit]

A bit silly really when he releases a video like this, its literally going to have that effect on many.

[@wayne3093]

@@Anglo-Brit I don't think that many brain dead people are into Ren's music, he does not need or want fans like the Michelle show who said he does not care and will abuse kujo anyway.

[@Anglo-Brit]

@@wayne3093 Say that to many hundreds of people also on kujo videos, mass reporting his videos, all calling him out... Yeah, sure.

[@JR-tr1df]

Ren offered collab on 1 song with a 50% full master, publishing etc split straight down the middle. That's what he passed up.

[@Killermcknight]

And I would argue if the beat was good, also potential for future collabs.

[@juliathomas3380]

So funny, I dreamed of you two last night. I couldn't remember your names (irl & in the dream, sorry), but there you were at the top of my recs when I woke up. In the dream you were my neighbors & had twin infants. And of course - Great reaction and discussion!

[@leecowell5301]

🤟🏻 feeling it with you, great reaction

[@Killermcknight]

🤘🏻🫶🏻

[@JoH4LH44]

I like that Ren dragged them into the light and then left them in the dark. Transparency is always the way to go after all it’s what the courts are for. Love how you care about his well being (he doesn’t drink btw) but he is normal, well, an inspirational genius normal person. And he did what he does best here - worked through his feelings in song form. Thanks for your lovely reaction. All the best guys. ❤

[@Killermcknight]

♥️♥️

[@karlkuttup]

ren has said he dont want the hassle with a court case for his video and song and he put abig dissclaimer up saying its a story nothing more its done,dont forget ren has been in the belly of the music industry ,he knows whats what

[@davidberridge7675]

Ren has got it covered!

[@stevecrisell108]

Nobody Would Let Someone Repeatably Poke Them In The Eye With A Stick.

[@TScover44]

Good feedback guys.

[@MissMeKate]

It's so theatrical and the production feels really cinematic, like a film score! 🔥 Like Taylor, I felt so bad for Ren when he choked up. We all know how much he had been through and to have it taken away just felt so unjust.

[@mkissin493]

Thanks for supporting Ren!

[@Killermcknight]

Always!

[@NinjaPrimeProductions]

Ren thought this out carefully before releasing it, but you never know anything can happen and let us hope this is put to rest because it all started with someone who thought they could benefit from someone else's talent. I wish for this Kujo guy that he sorts his shit out. It was a really stupid thing what he did.

[@djaytaker1326]

Informative. Thanks.

[@johnwright7033]

One of my favorite reactions. I felt pretty much exactly like you. I had the same concerns.

[@Killermcknight]

🫶🏻🫶🏻 great minds!

[@landi87]

DAT BURN ..... R.I.P

[@jamiemacdonald6899]

When you watch a few times I think it's clear that as diss tracks go he doesn't actually go that hard at Kujo. This is Ren doing Ren. We all go along on his journey because of the authentic way in which he can convey emotion. He holds a mirror up to us all. We all have dark and light. This was more Ren documenting his emotion throughout this process. Yes, it's dark, yes it's angry, but those are legitimate parts of the human condition and experience too.

[@lynette.]

So much power released and the twisting of Hi Ren and the money game 3 warning and the money game 1 walk. Sublime and the ending of the choir 🎉

[@Mhantrax]

The lady pretty much immediately smiled when he started swearing. The proof on video! 😂

[@Killermcknight]

😂😂 I was feelin it

[@owenleynes7086]

i didnt register it til now, but, and ive realized this before, strong empathy flips to cruelty given the right circumstances, people usually describe it as the quiet person you dont want to mess with or something along those lines. its not that they inherently wish to hurt everyone its that if you fuck with them to the point that empathy breaks they switch right over to cruelty and you dont want to be on the other end of someone who empathizes with the pain they are causing - ie, they know the pain they are causing and rather than feeling for the victim, enjoy the knowledge that it hurts. not a diss of ren, just something ive observed over time

[@Killermcknight]

Completely understand what you’re saying. I’m an empath and a very understanding person myself. But I will only allow someone to screw me over or treat me poorly for so long or to a certain extent. Under the right circumstances, I could turn into that person (the quiet person you don’t want to mess with) to fight for myself or my loved ones.

[@Killermcknight]

Completely understand what you’re saying. I’m an empath and a very understanding person myself. But I will only allow someone to screw me over or treat me poorly for so long or to a certain extent. Under the right circumstances, I could turn into that person (the quiet person you don’t want to mess with) to fight for myself or my loved ones.

[@thetwistedfirestarter]

Kujo doesn’t have a leg to stand on and his gf even less, Ren still has 2 even tho the gf threatened to snap them. Kujo no way can afford to fight Ren in court on the very high chance of losing so that ain’t happening now or ever. Ren will also make a shlt ton of money for this diss track so even if Kujo did on the tiny chance win Ren just from this track will have more than enough to cover the 3k Kujo wants, coz he has 0 chance of a defamation claim. No need to worry 😊

[@frankwalton1628]

Surely Ren is getting legal advice on this? I too am worried where this will lead. As a piece of art the Beat Down is what we've come to expect from Ren but it doesn't really leave a way out for Kujo.

[@Killermcknight]

I hope so, for his sake. You’re absolutely right.

[@karenkruger3690]

He is 👍🏼

[@iamlpinthe312]

And as an add and unlike most others, I don’t want a part 2 - because that means that not only isn’t it resolved , KuJo et al continued talking bullshit on SM etc.

[@RenRabbitHole]

Love your shirt. Have driven over the Dragon and the surrounding roads many many times over the years. Now to watch your reaction 😂

[@Killermcknight]

That’s awesome! It was such a sick drive. Haha hope you enjoy the reaction

[@christallh24]

Think you guys are worried for no reason. He's not responsible or culpable for the actions of his fans.

[@paulbreault4513]

I am a little worried too. Technically, the court would see this as a threat to Kujo’s life. Bad ass song though.

[@Killermcknight]

Bad ass sing though!

[@im2yz4u17]

The receipts pissed me off. Sick Boi is phenomenal and when Ren decided to take it down I was extremely pissed off. It really brought me down, and I expect many others did too. Now, this amazing diss track comes out and it scares me to think he could get sued for it. It will not happen. Now, Screwtube has removed the copywrite strike based on Ren's facts and presumably their own research internally with Beat Stars and the original creators. I hope they attempted to contact Kujo too. But this is out and so be it. I heard from another reactor that Kujo will respond on the 13th. Remember, the GF probably has more risk of liability since she lied about the contract, defamed Ren and then threatened Ren with bodily harm. Poor little Kujo just stole the beat!

[@Killermcknight]

You’re not wrong!!

[@NixyRose72]

"There are three things all wise men fear: the sea in storm, a night with no moon, and the anger of a gentle man." ~~Patrick Rothfuss

[@IronRaspberry]

First of all, Ren was obviously angry, but the first part as a discussion with himself - nothing Kujo can say about that. Other than bad language, there were no lies told about Kujo and the only threat was that he’d make it public again or that part 2 would be worse if they kept it up. The only violence was 2 ACTORS tied up. Ren was obviously very careful with his words.

[@Killermcknight]

👍🏻

[@gracegrit3009]

“Sick Boi” is back on KZbin so please react, or re-react, to the video because the song and video hit even harder after all the Kujo mess. Ren said on Twitch that KZbin understands the entire situation and they have taken away the copyright strike…and the video is now back on KZbin.

[@pitapita3559]

TBH this, what he did, was the NICE guy for real. When it's just, and the offer of mercy has been rejected... only this level of nice makes sense.. Right!?

[@leebird6216]

Great reaction guys as always. Ren has been dropping gems, check out Chris Webby - Baggage (feat. Ren) its fire

[@saltlight5689]

He’s’ a big boy he can look after himself don’t be nervous! People do this all the time in the rap community so there must be some form of artistic license. He can’t modify what he does to try and control crazy fans. They will be crazy regardless and cross boundaries that are not acceptable and he can’t take responsibility for that. Kujo needed a little slap and I think got it. What he does is up to him but he didn’t seem to want to budge on taking more than was warranted. Hopefully they come to an agreement soon. It sounds to me like the basis for this extra claim on Sick Boi on top of the regular publishing is based on a legal loophole. Lessons were learnt all around!!!

[@johnwright7033]

I'm actually happy Kujo turned down the offer to work with ren. Even though he was brain dead to do it. That's a dangerous president to set. Any person that tries to rip you off, any you offer them a chance to get rewarded and catapult there career. You'd have people just starting out making bogus claims just to help there career. I hope he takes legal action, but even if I think he has a case. Kujo probably has no money , so Ren will have expensive legal fees. I think kujo though ren being nice equalled weak. The very least the beat down showed was Ren will fight back.

[@iamlpinthe312]

Beat Down = the Beat = Down (Sick Boi) I hear where you can coming from, BUT the gf made threats of physical violence towards Ren. Also forged alleged portions of a contract. Misrepresentation. KuJo has Sick Boi on his discography and has listed his credits as “ Producer “ AND “ Songwriter “. This is a piece of art. Music is his medium. This isn’t defamation. It isn’t libel. IT IS MUSICAL THEATER OP-ED. Music is RENs medium. Plus REN put out a series of IG stories not just telling people NOT to talk shit directly on KuJos YT/IG/FB etc. HE SAID THAT IF HE SAW ANYONE DOING IT THEY WOULD BE BLOCKED. HE DOES NOT CARE ABOUT LOSING FANS. JUST. DO. NOT. DO. IT. Ren could not have been more clear. If someone wants to do/say “bad” things ESPECIALLY AFTER BEING ASKED NOT TO, TOLD NOT TO etc then how exactly is that RENs problem? Ren offered more than he had to, especially with the offer of a collaboration with 50/50 split ON EVERYTHING. Personally, Different situation completely ( landlord/mgmt company/tenant) - BUT I had to deal with greedy people cut from the same cloth. Sued for upwards of 100K. COMPLETE BULLSHIT. I BROUGHT THE RECEIPTS( SO MANY VIOLATIONS OF THEIR LEASE- NOT EVEN WITH US). I have absolutely no doubt that they ( KuJo + gf+ lawyers) are twisting into something that isn’t even there - as it was in my case. I had so much against them for so many things. They actually wanted a jury trial! Mediation brought them a settlement of… their security deposit. That’s it. Could have been accomplished with ~$600 in filing fees. Cost me $60K + in attorneys fees alone + ~$20K in lost income etc. WHY? Because this is what greed coupled with envy does to people “ One man’s win is another man’s frenzy “. For RENs health I hope that this gets resolved. I ended up in the hospital with a brain bleed. So MY fear is his health, plus the involvement of attorneys, whose job isn’t solely for the client but also those billable hours.

[@ginamakescrochet]

I was worried for Ren too, at first. I was also a little worried about Kujo and his gf and I hoped they were just staying offline and divorcing themselves from all this. I am a little less worried now, but still you never know. I hope there is no backlash from this, and I hope behind the scenes maybe things are getting worked out. Hopefully even the crazy fans are heeding Ren's warnings of not harassing Kujo or his gf. As to Kujo, hopefully he has learned his lesson and just rebrands himself gives it a few years, perfects his craft in that time, and perhaps he can be a beat producer again. The song was still fun and so cinematic, I loved it.

[@Killermcknight]

Love everything you said.

[@cathywethington5913]

Diss tracks are part of rap culture. If you're a beat maker you know this. There is a precedent for these types of videos with little incidents of real-life violence. I don't think anyone is going to hold Ren responsible for the actions of others especially when he has repeatedly asked his fans to leave them alone. He has also said that anyone threatening violence will be blocked from his own channel I would argue that this video is cathartic not only for Ren, but for his fans.

[@PUNKinDRUBLIC72]

Great reaction, I'm somebody has already posted that Sick Boi is back up. The message is don't be a greedy piggy 🐖🐷🐖🐷🐖🐷!

[@cherylmack1260]

He has checked with hi lawyers and that is why he put that disclaimer on the end He said he has all his work going out legally now.

[@JulitaPio]

Eat his sh.. excuse me😂 I totally know what you mean, I seen this people in reaction comments... About the song as a person of scary, cinematic, aggressive beats which funny calm me down, this one is cherry on the cake for me😊 Appreciate you guys ❤

[@Killermcknight]

😂😂 I’m glad you get it!

[@JulitaPio]

​@@Killermcknight I also get it "f... ed the bit..es" 😂😂

[@jpgames1363]

Would he have posted this MV if there were going to be issues?? Thank you for the reaction, but he’ll be fine and this song and MV were 100% justified

[@Killermcknight]

Maybe! Yeah. Maybe he would. Glad you KNOW everything will be okay. We didn’t say it’s not justified. We just said we’re worried for him.

[@LisaMagdalenaBardell]

Defamation is costly. Ren published that he has enough information to litigate successfully for defamation against Kujo. And he would win. But Kujo has no money. So he would not be able to pay the costs, it would have to be covered by Beatstars. Kujo would not have the funds to bring a defamation case and he would lose, because defamation is only defamation if what is being shared is not true. Everything Ren has shared is true. He has receipts. Ren will be able to make claims for losses on sickboi too. Ren could take many legal actions. But he probably won’t. He just wants an aplogy. He has already spoken to his whole team about his disappointment in any errors their side.

[@rickipanema]

"How is the cutest couple on the internet? I’m eagerly waiting for you to react to Gabriel Henrique's new duet singing 'Love in the Dark.'"

[@pyrotarkus]

I've been in the live event music biz for 35 years. REN is the artist I've waited for all my life. My gods now include Ozzy , Neil Young and Ren... mad love for him . I've had issues in my childhood , my life. Just like everyone. Unfortunately common. Ren speaks for us like no other... fucking love that man.

[@christophCymru]

Agree with everything you said. I actually messaged Ren before he released the video saying leave it to the lawyers. and he responded saying it's past that... It's never past that and I believe Rens career could suffer from this so hope it doesn't, emoting violence which was not what Rens appeal was. I still love the guys music and everything he does creatively but I think he needs a better management team... Maybe a woman on his team that will give better career advice.

[@peterp9918]

A well balanced reaction.

[@Killermcknight]

Thank you!

[@davidkeenan1275]

The wee tap of the head gets me every time 😂😂

[@connorh7912]

Rens a very clever guy he wouldn't put this up without thinking it through this is 100% on kujo

[@elevown]

Ren knows exactly what he's doing and tbh i dont think Kujo has a leg to stand on- and no judge would hold a diss song against him in light of all the evidence and good faith Ren has acted in.

[@achebwahs1111]

@justinroberts3153 The Online Safety Act legislation recently passed through the UK parliment specifically targets online speech. There are no provisions or exemptions in the act for artistic licence. These new laws means it is far easier to be charged in the UK now

[@mikkoheikka9579]

Defamation is about hurting one's reputation, right? I really can't see how this could backlash for it was Kujobeats himself who ruined his reputation. And I'm quite sure that there aren't many successful cases where artwork has been considered defamatory in court. Not sure though..

[@Killermcknight]

Not sure either. As a fan and supporter of Ren, just worried about that for him.

[@FastNCurious88]

It's giving Tyler Durden and I'm soooo here for it! The man should star in his own movie! His acting and performance abilities are absolutely *masterful.* When the choir first starts singing I swear I keep hearing "stolen sample" am I crazy? I also hear "so ungrateful" too. FEAR the righteous anger of a *gentle man....* 💯🔥🙌🏻

[@Dave1507]

Nah, you guys, Kujo has nothing. This falls under artistic license and can't be used against him. EDIT for clarification, it falls under artistic freedom and as such is protected against legal repercussions.

[@jonathanvince8173]

OK about Sick Boi this is about Kujo claiming the song Claiming her wrote it. That is why there is no 90 days. Look for an American rapper that is Ren's Friend talk about this. Now the Bulgarian quire is taking Kujo to court ren gave option to Kujo but Cujo claimed Sick Boi on KZbin. Nothing to do with Rens channel just the song.

[@CindyBaucom-sb1hd]

Ren❤

[@tlg22073]

Even Ren’s publisher doesn’t pay the money to Kujo. The money goes to an agency that collects the money from radio stations, everywhere…and pays it out. They may be withholding Kujo’s money because they know he’s a thief. Btw, there is already a Sick Boi 2. Ren was going to remake Sick Boi 1. And no, he doesn’t drink…he can’t because of his illness. And there was no defamation of Kujo. The information is true and factual…and Kujo made it public 1st.

[@Musiklife.9049]

27.00 oh I wanted to hear what she was going to say…😅 REN said he had to get it out…he’s moving on.

[@mikeb7379]

It's hip hop. It's a battle rap. Happens all the time. If Kujo wants he can try to answer back in the same manner? Like to see him try honestly. Ren doesn't put out anything that not thought out to the minutetest detail, just look at the attention to detail in his MVs? He has consistently asked all his fans not to harass Kujo. Just after this he made a post saying that if any did? They would be blocked from his channel. At the end of the day, who started the bullying? Ren has decided to hit back. And Kujo is now starting to think " I probably shouldn't have poke this Welsh dragon"? His producer career is over anyway because who in the industry would want to after what he did?

[@irenebeth111]

We can't get rid of art cause there MIGHT be a crazy person who will do something illegal. I don't agree with removing people's rights due to fear of the few crazies.

[@Adventuresofwildcamping]

The defense is "this is art" its as simple as that. Look at other artists who have said a lot worse.

[@achebwahs1111]

The Online Safety Act legislation recently passed through the UK parliment specifically targets online speech. There are no provisions or exemptions in the act for artistic licence.

[@lynette.]

You tube have admitted that it was an invalid strike which strengthens Rens argument.

[@Dalmen]

He will not go to curt...the curt can maybe lift the strike until the licence is solved (or not). He may can look for compensation, but kujo is a normal daytime worker, he produces beats in the freetime. The only one how will win are the layers. Yesteday YT Music removed the strike, because in this case it was against the policy, but anyway, he have now the chance to find a solouten with the bulgarien choir. If they dont find a soulution, he will produce the "new" sich boi song. btw: agree the deal with the cooperation with Ren dont solve the stolen sample....it is still stolen...Ren or Kujo must find a agreement with the choir to keep the old sick boi song. But I think the choir is a little bit upset against Kujo, because he stole the sample und they try to get money for compensation.

[@jl70213]

When you Google kujo beats, Rens video pops up first. Ren has already won. Also he is covered under artistic license. Just look at Eminem.

[@tlg22073]

The license is for the beat “master”, but Kujo was still supposed to get $3000 + 15% of publishing. Ren does not pay the publishing fees to Kujo. It is done by a central entity. KZbin took off the copyright strike after he met with them and he showed receipts. He also released another short video saying that any fan who harasses or threatens Kujo will be blocked from his page and all of his videos. There is no court that could find fault with this video. It is artistic license. It is rap. There was no physical threat…he wants to cut him with his “razor blade pen”…with his words. The only threat is that the next version will be worse…reveal more. The Bulgarian Choir was not in his. The people in back are friends and they could have been the chorus, which btw, is saying something to the effect of, “This beat is not stolen.” Bahahahahahaha! Also, Ren didn’t “bring” Kujo’s girlfriend into it. That wench put herself in it when she went to Anthony Ray’s review of the Ren message video and posted lies about Ren and post a fake contract claiming Ren had agreed to their terms. She deserves much worse. Also,no way in heck Ren would ever ask anyone to be his full time beat make. He’s his own beat maker for the most part.

[@silentwhisp4r670]

Ren has one setting. Go hard. And he went hard.

[@Killermcknight]

💯

[@joelamaro4525]

This was no different than any other diss track in the history of rap. Going back to Roxanne Shante versus UTFO 40 years ago and LL Cool J versus Kool Moe Dee. Then there is No Vaseline Ice Cubes dis track against Eazy E. And every other dis track and rap beef in history and even today. This is the definition of satire. In my non legal education opinion Ren is in zero legal jeopardy because of something his fans might do.

[@Killermcknight]

Tell that to Tupac and Biggie. No one is sitting back wondering how Kujo is processing this. I just hope he's not thinking of the extreme because I don't want to see Ren as a part of Netflix documentary.

[@joelamaro4525]

@@Killermcknight Tupac and Biggie weren’t beefing with each other. Nor were they killed because of a rap/beef song either of them made. Nor were either killed by another’s fan.

[@BillyVatcher]

The question here shouldn’t be about legality but about ethics and if lines were crossed between art and real life.

[@MsCheesemonster13]

@@Killermcknight KUJO wasn’t worried that Ren has mental and physical health issues, which are well publicised, when he went after him to save himself/make some money. He had no problem attacking Ren who is still recovering from a life-threatening illness, so I cannot feel very much sympathy for him in this predicament. Even if KUJO did do something to himself (and I hope he doesn’t for his own sake), nobody with any common sense or sense of fairness would blame Ren, who did everything he could to make things right.

[@frankwalton1628]

Ren's on TV tomorrow night. SKY Arts Awards.

[@Andy-c64]

Ren said nothing in his lyrics that wasn't true, so it can't be defamation. Was gonna say everything that megsD79 said, but i thought nahh il keep it simple and megsD79 said it so much better than i could have ever said 😅😅😅😅😅😅

[@timbrown6715]

I love every reactors reaction when he brings in the girlfriend !!!!