Great overview. One quick point not mentioned on this video: the CL shares the same battery as the Q. With a CL and a Q you can travel lighter with just one battery system.
@cameranjoun64206 жыл бұрын
thanks red dot form !!! I love my m240 because of all my m&r lenses can be used !!!
@jodulan6 жыл бұрын
This is the most detailed review of Leica CL! Very helpful informations, thank you!
@Brandon-vy6uw5 жыл бұрын
What a beautiful camera. Leica is the best
@imichael.6 жыл бұрын
Nice Omega Seamaster
@GearZenChannel6 жыл бұрын
If you want one but can't afford it or justify the price, just wait 2 years and buy one for 1/3 the price. You don't need the latest camera to take great photos. Even old 8mp cameras can take great photos.
@kenneth616 жыл бұрын
Nearest competition is the Fuji,s X-E3 for me, and I will compare it to Fuji,s and see if it that much better with that price.
@moodyrcf3 жыл бұрын
never knew my dream build camera already existed. rangefinder style, dials with buttons and long pressing function buttons to change function. dream come true but still cant afford it. kinda wish mode button and rear fn button would be switched though
@qnetx6 жыл бұрын
Thank you for a great overview. Ecellent presentation skills too.
@baker2niner6 жыл бұрын
I bought a used, disposable fuji (x-e2) for less than $300 on amazon. But, this is the camera I want.
@mawavoy4 жыл бұрын
baker2niner , me toooooo!
@pepper00756 жыл бұрын
I would love more unboxing videos.
@dippin15236 жыл бұрын
I love this camera and may get one.
@Mojave5115 жыл бұрын
Very informative and a great addition to the Leica fleet.
@Bryan-lu4du6 жыл бұрын
I would love it if the CL added a “snap focus” option like the Ricoh GR has. At least with it’s wider lenses like the new 18mm. Would be awesome for street photography.
@dimanatti6 жыл бұрын
That 24-90mm and that cam amazing convo.
@ing0386 жыл бұрын
Good review comparing other lenses& body
@martinjn29206 жыл бұрын
Brilliant video, very informative thank you
@WarzechaSoftWorks6 жыл бұрын
Nice camera, but Leica missed a lot of opportunities with this model. Beside the pretty high Leica tax, Leica should have incorporates at least a hybrid AF, weather sealing, and two card slots on the side. You have to remember that this camera competes against the Fujifilm X-Pro2 or X-T2 for example. Both cameras are made in japan and the quality is 1++. There are also more lens options on Fujifilm side. Leica needs to add more native lenses, especially more primes.
@RuskinKyle6 жыл бұрын
card slots, card slots, card slots... why is the internet so obsessed about having two card slots?
@richardpcovington4 жыл бұрын
Many thanks for your well-balanced review and also your extensive review based on your trip to New Mexico. Between the CL and the M-P (Typ 240), which one would you choose, please?
@peterzpictstube6 жыл бұрын
If I had the disposable money to have a Leica I would get one of these. The only real problem with the TC/L system is the zooms lack stabilization unlike the S/L zooms.
@RedDotForum6 жыл бұрын
Good point. Although, in practical shooting with the TL2 and CL, the lack of IS hasn't been a factor (for me).
@acidsnow59156 жыл бұрын
really not sure if i should get a CL or a second hand M. every video just makes my decision process just harder :P
@alexr65276 жыл бұрын
ACID SNOW true it’s very hard to decide on a leica
@VariTimo6 жыл бұрын
ACID SNOW Get an M. You’ll get so much more in touch with your photography because all the responsibility is on you. The camera won’t make mistakes so you can’t make mistakes. Also it’s easier to get cheep glass for them.
@HatefYaminiOnline6 жыл бұрын
Both are wonderful. Keep in mind that manual focusing the M means you’ll miss more shots than you would with the CL. The comparison ends there!
@VariTimo6 жыл бұрын
Hatef Yamini only if you don’t get good at focusing an M. My miss rate is very low. And when I think of how many shots the AF of my GH5s (which still has the best contrast detect AF) misses it comes to around the same amount. Maybe one or two misses more for the M.
@ductritran86375 жыл бұрын
ACID SNOW leica M and CL is completely different system, FF range finder manual system and APSC crop censor ,auto focus .... more like a good hobby camera than for pro shooter . If you want a fast auto focus plus videos , small compact and most important is far cheaper than M system then CL is the camera for you .
@korling992 жыл бұрын
Can you manually enter the lens type to update settings if using uncoded Leica M lenses?
@billpalmer50754 жыл бұрын
Great overview very well explained
@patpaw6 жыл бұрын
That 24-90 SL lens is a bazooka
@chilui27805 жыл бұрын
It is a pleasure to watch. Thanks.
@jorgemontilla53296 жыл бұрын
Excelent explanation, I really like the video.
@MestreMur6 жыл бұрын
Good as always!
@LeicaM826 жыл бұрын
Each reviewer has their own style. May I recommend adding some real-world shooting experiences to your review content, as they offer insights into the usability and performance of the camera. From your buttons-and-screens point of view, it would be an easy "buy" decision, but the real-world use makes it less so.
@RedDotForum6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the feedback. These videos are more of an overview, not a review. I try to shoot and edit these within a day of having the camera in hand, so no shooting experience at the time of recording. For super in-depth reviews with plentiful sample images, I'd recommend checking out Red Dot Forum (www.reddotforum.com/content/category/reviews/). These reviews generally take several weeks to complete, and I am working on a full review of the CL, now that I've had ample opportunity to go out for some real-world shooting.
@marcusthomas29996 жыл бұрын
Great looking camera
@10digitpin8 ай бұрын
Just here for the Seamaster 😂
@nhwng24945 жыл бұрын
I want to buy a Voigtlander lens on my Leica CL, what kind of adapter do I need?
@Duckshots6 жыл бұрын
Great introduction. Question is what do I do with my Q if I buy a CL and what lens to start out with. We travel a lot and I shoot street. Kit zoom? 23 Cron?
@RedDotForum6 жыл бұрын
The Q and the CL are different cameras. But, if you want to move to the CL, all the TL lenses are excellent. For a small, one lens setup, the 23 would be great. The zoom is very capable. Extremely sharp. Good focal length range, but at f/3.5 - 5.6, it might be a little limiting depending on the light. You may want to consider the zoom for the coverage (28-85 equiv) and either the 23 f/2 or 35 f/1.4 for fast, shallow DOF to compliment it. The 11-23 could also be fun for both travel and street.
@mawavoy4 жыл бұрын
Lorin Duckman , if I owned a Q I would not be locking for a CL. There are buyers for the Q if you really desire to have to buy separate lenses. But I understand I would love to have one.
@stevexkong6 жыл бұрын
Hey David, thanks for your unboxing, just bought the TL2, could you compare the AF speed for the 35mm and 60mm lens between those two cameras? I thought they have the same sensor, but the AF speed is different... could you confirm this?
@RedDotForum6 жыл бұрын
The CL definitely focuses quicker than the TL2. My understanding is that they have the same sensor and processor, but I don't have confirmation of this from Leica at this point. If this is the case, there is a good chance that the difference is firmware related. Then, a future TL2 firmware update could improve AF speed.
@rf47906 жыл бұрын
I like the camera, and I like the Seamaster. Excellent, thanks.
@Rollin56 жыл бұрын
With M-lens and zoom activated in the EVF does tapping the shutter button cancel the zoom?
@RedDotForum6 жыл бұрын
Yes. A half-press of the shutter brings you back from zoom to full view.
@Pulsonar6 жыл бұрын
...I see, the US also has presenters who got drunk on UK TV re-runs of Open University on BBC2 from the 1970s. But it works, full marks for presentation, no detention today.
@ductritran86375 жыл бұрын
Once you use or owned M10 ,SL and Q you find that CL is a fun camera but never as close as these camera and the closest is the TL2 and i found TL2 is better than CL but that just my opinion .
@julieta2035 жыл бұрын
when you pick this thing up from store a lot poorer you immediately know its a Leica.
@mauriziomauricone6 жыл бұрын
10:10 very important? why is that? does it have a hidden function of some kind?
@RedDotForum6 жыл бұрын
I was making a little joke. The red dot Leica logo serves the same purpose as any iconic brand logo. Ferrari, Porsche, Apple, etc.
@SuperPussyFinger5 жыл бұрын
Maurizio Mauricone - Yes, it drops panties.
@user-ms8qg2rz5s3 жыл бұрын
Why no usb c or charge ?
@sgtpepper543216 жыл бұрын
When you use M mount lenses can you still use the aperture ring? or do you have to put it at its highest setting like Nikon?
@RedDotForum6 жыл бұрын
With an M lens mounted, you just use the aperture ring on the lens. Super simple.
@sgtpepper543216 жыл бұрын
RedDotForum beautiful will be a preorder for me then. I know it’s such a common sense thing but I’ve been stung before
@RedDotForum6 жыл бұрын
Here you go: leicastoremiami.com/collections/leica-cl-cameras/products/leica-cl-black-anodized-finish
@edisonduque94964 жыл бұрын
Hi nice video.
@cameranjoun64206 жыл бұрын
is there any adapter available M,R lens to call camera?
@RedDotForum6 жыл бұрын
There are adapters for both M and R lenses to Leica L mount. This works with the SL, TL2 and now the CL.
@throughmyeyes99406 жыл бұрын
top/bottom plate should be brass, not aluminium
@NetvoTV6 жыл бұрын
When we will see a silver body?
@RedDotForum6 жыл бұрын
No sure. It would certainly look cool though!
@VariTimo6 жыл бұрын
It’s not a baby M with out the rangefinder. I don’t get why there is still no entire level M. I get that they are expansiv to make, im from Germany. But I had to get a M5 wich is great but I can’t afford to shoot three rolls of film a month....
@RedDotForum6 жыл бұрын
The M262 bundle is an "entry level M" kit. At $5,500 for an M262 and a lens, this cost considerably less than just an M10. leicastoremiami.com/collections/leica-m-system-m-system-camera/products/leica-m-typ-262-set-with-summarit-m-50mm-f-2-4-black-oberwerth-for-leica-bag-black-cognac-sd-card-holders But, the best example of an entry level M is a used one. A used M240 can be had for around $3,000. While this isn't cheap, it is still less than half the cost of an M10. Many Leica shooters first camera is a used one. leicastoremiami.com/collections/used-m-cameras
@VariTimo6 жыл бұрын
Yes I know that. I paid about a thousand for a very good M5 and a pre war 35mm Elmar. As a passioned photographer who subscribes to the key principles of Leica, I'm naturally driven to the M cameras. Especially as a street photographer. But even with a lens, more than 2 1/2 to 3 thousand would just be without reason to buy one as a student.
@pinkeye00 Жыл бұрын
I always do my camera reviews with a grass planter and lamp that's not plugged in. #leica
@ductritran86375 жыл бұрын
If you have the Q or the TL2 then forget this camera . I owned this CL as well ( birthday gift) after months of used i can say don’t buy it TL2 is better and Q much more superior to CL . Save your money buy leica Lens instead . I’m a long time leica shooter owned M4,6,8,9 ,& 10 , Q ,TL2 and SL but CL is not my cup of tea . If you can afford only one leica camera then go for Leica Q2 because its give you a fantastic summilux lens and 47MP on 28mm then a multi lens choice 35mm,50mm and 75mm ( 4 in 1) with around 24mp instead using CL and pay more for Lenses add up higher cost on APSC system not FF as the Q and not high quality lens as Q .
@mawavoy4 жыл бұрын
duc tri tran , I agree with you.
@rumporridge13 жыл бұрын
As a Q-P and SL2 owner you definitely make sense.
@philmtx3fr Жыл бұрын
Well I don t agree. I own a Q and à CL and they are very complementary. The Q for its wonderful 28mm which for me the right focal for street, landscape and everyday photo. But the Cl is far more versatile with for instance a Sigme 18-50 f2.8. Then with telephotos the advantage is far more true. With a simple 75mm or 90mm which gives you an equivalent of 105 or 135mm the Q and even the Q2 can t compete. Last point I don t really understand in your comment is when you say the TL2 is better than CL… they are probably very similar internally but having a good evf like the CL is a great advantage… saying the contrary is quite nonsense for me…
@arkon60846 жыл бұрын
Should be made out of brass not aluminum if they want to be a true classic a la M
@Rejor1116 жыл бұрын
This camera frustrates me. I want to get it, but just cannot justify buying it. Yes, I can afford it. But, what a waste. The only thing going for Leica are some of their lenses and the M model. Anything else makes money just because of the Red Dot. No tilty-flippy screen, no weather proofing, internals share similarities with sensors from Sony and Panasonic... really, the only thing going for it is the "hand-made aluminum body". I still want it. I just can't justify wasting money on it, not with better products out there on the market. I get that some of their lenses are the best, but I don't think that's the case these days. Zeiss, Sony, even Fujifilm are making amazing lenses. The only thing Leica lenses really have going for them are their size. They're smaller. That's it. And yes, that matters to someone like me, but that still isn't enough when their bodies can't match what other manufacturers make out there.
@xu59496 жыл бұрын
Rejor111 hey I'm new to the camera game and what do you think about the Leica q? Is it good for a "rookie"?
@mavfan16 жыл бұрын
David Xu no
@estrastyven37526 жыл бұрын
y eddie yet, i would rather a cl than a x pro 2, here a x pro 2 cost 2000$ and a leica cl had cost around 2700 dollar, so.. i think with some more advantages on leica cl, it's kind of a worth it, unless we're about to compare it with alpha 7 II
@raksh96 жыл бұрын
The CL is about handling, shooting experience, and being able to use TL and SL lenses. Many cameras have better specs than the Leica M, too, but nothing has the same shooting experience.
@VariTimo6 жыл бұрын
Rejor111 As somebody who doesn’t give any shits about brands just for brands sake I can tell you that you should go for it if you can afford it. Yes it doesn’t have all the features, but no camera feels like it and therefor no camera shoots like it. I started shooting with an M5 on film a year ago. It has change my process so much that I now bought a 12 year old M8, the ISO of which isn’t really usable after anything higher than 640 in color. Because I can get better pictures with a simple, not obtrusive rangefinder than with an overly complicated high ISO performer. Leicas are among the best cameras from a tool perspective. They have IMO the best color science and obviously some of the best glass there is. You can usually take it out for a spin at a Leica store. I suggest you do that. If it’s still too much in your eye, then take a look at an M camera. Not a new M10 but something out of the M240 area or used. It really can change how you shoot. Mattias Burling makes a good case for the Leica T at his channel. It’s somewhat similar to the Leica CL but you can have it used for around $500. And it’s also very pretty.
@Boxer1250RT6 жыл бұрын
No sample pictures? I thought this was a camera review. It's like doing a car review without driving it!
@RedDotForum6 жыл бұрын
The video isn't a review, just an overview. I will be working on a full in-depth review for Red Dot Forum, but these typically take several weeks. You can see other reviews, with plenty of sample pictures there: www.reddotforum.com/content/category/reviews/
@brakesforsnakes7575 жыл бұрын
Assuming is always bad.
@JonBushell6 жыл бұрын
£3000 camera as a backup!?
@RedDotForum6 жыл бұрын
Well, when your main camera is $6,000....yes.
@harringtondesign5 жыл бұрын
Expensive is all relative. Compared to what I spend on video camera bodies and lenses, the CL seems like a great deal. Although I really want the SL. @@RedDotForum
@mawavoy4 жыл бұрын
Jon Bushell , If I owned one, it would be my daily driver. But maybe, I might used a D-lux 7 everyday., and take the CL out on Sunday.
@iwannaapple71902 жыл бұрын
Concerning lightroom: Lightroom came as a free download when I bought my Leica. That WAS the contract between Leica and Adobe. So, Leica and Adobe has fullfilled each others contract and have parted ways. However!!!!!!!!! Read on please......... When Adobe had a contract with Leica, each user was allowed to download the software on 2 computers. How is this important? When Adobe had that contract with Leica they also had a contract with you the consumer of a Leica product! Just because the agreement is fulfilled with Leica doesn't mean the agreement is fulfilled with the customer. Adobe is breaking their contract with the customer and is actually liable to be sued in court! They no longer allow previous owners to download on 2 computers. That was my contract with them and they are breaking it!
@MrPomo22 жыл бұрын
now... apparently discontinued.
@NetvoTV6 жыл бұрын
Give us a full review
@RedDotForum6 жыл бұрын
I'm working on a full, in-depth review of the Leica CL on Red Dot Forum. Took the camera out to New Mexico for a week of shooting and it was a ton of fun.
@brijonelnicolas35536 жыл бұрын
flash?
@RedDotForum6 жыл бұрын
No built-in flash, but you can use a Leica SF-40 if you need flash. Most Leica shooters avoid using flash, as these cameras excel in available light photography.
@magazinebackpackerz32186 жыл бұрын
Oh my...gone the sharp lines/great design on the top plate like previous Leicas. Its looks ugly especially at the top, viewfinder side. Doesn't seem like 'the iconic Leica' design to me, except from the front and back. And what's with that huge protruding silver mounting? It should be black like the overall body. The X looks much handsome and solid when you put them side by side if you ask me...
@slhibbs6 жыл бұрын
i could buy a sony a7r iii
@halimj76 жыл бұрын
Bismillah How does Leica and their customers justify the price of a camera like this? You get less features for way more money. The camera is beautiful but nothing in a Leica justifies the price for me. I had the Q, loved the image rendering but just didn't get what made it worth the price. I ended up buying a Pentax KP and K1 for the same price. The Pentax limited lens give a very nice rendering also, have better build quality with a lot more features and better handling. I can't help but think people are buying Leica's for their name. What do you guys think? What am I missing?
@mavfan16 жыл бұрын
halimj7 you are missing an understanding of the appeal of luxury brands You can buy a car that’s faster than a Ferrari for less money, a watch that keeps better time than a Rolex, a bag that has more pockets and holds more items than a Gucci. Clothes that keep you warmer, last longer, and look better than something from D&G, yet people still want and buy these luxury brands for many reasons.
@MiCoopRS6 жыл бұрын
Hey Halimj7 so you HAD a Q....borrowed it or BOUGHT it then SOLD it..... If you look back and compare the Photos.... are they the same or better? If you're walking around and wip out your LIECA, and the same the Pentax... which do you suppose PPL are going to notice more? Yup, the ROLEX on your wrist.
@raksh96 жыл бұрын
halimj7 - Regarding the Q: What other company offers a compact full frame camera with a small 28mm f1.7 lens? That's what you're paying for.
@livibam6 жыл бұрын
why do people always judge things on price? i just don't understand this way to think. very odd and limiting.
@pandoreo20796 жыл бұрын
It’s a shame that Leica decided to make the Q with a fixed lens,
@crtzmo6 жыл бұрын
Lose the plant/lamp dressing pls.
@hoghavemercy16 жыл бұрын
they probably got help from Panasonic developing their sensors..
@RedDotForum6 жыл бұрын
To my knowledge, Panasonic wasn't involved in the development of the CL. This was an in-house project.
@admiralkhalifaalqubaisi37705 жыл бұрын
Leica M10 or nothing
@pinkeye00 Жыл бұрын
Most awkward unboxing ever.
@anttitapola46226 жыл бұрын
Looks like a toy camera? !
@nwphoosh6 жыл бұрын
I'm curious why this guy can't afford a manicure?! Yuck.
@volimvolim16 жыл бұрын
manicure? thats for women; cutting nails is another thing
@nwphoosh6 жыл бұрын
not at all. manicure is just a term for the grooming of the nails to keep them healthy. Much like you go to a barber to groom and trim your hair. I'm not suggesting he paints them and polishes them, but just to keep them looking presentable. Especially if his profession involves a camera zooming in closely to his hands, he should groom them to be presentable... aka: get a manicure.
@hoghavemercy16 жыл бұрын
try selling a used Leica, and try to sell a used Canon, Canon has a better resale value, I had both and i sold a Summicron 50/2 at a 1000, that took over a month at fredmiranda, I sold a Canon 50 1.2L and it took 3 days for 1200, lost of $75 from the original price i bought it for, and used it for 2 years, I owned a Leica Q and tracking is abysmal, leaf shutter defeats the purpose of using a strobe since it blacks out and very laggy, Truth is the two happiest days of my life owning and selling it..bleh, if you're shooting film then yeah Leica is the shit, but welcome to digital, it's just a dying breed, Fuji has a better OVF than the rangefinder crap, hey I'm not being biased but at least leica should improve the RF's on their camera for the price you pay for, yupp you can still take great photos with the M series but as long as the subject is not moving or shoot at f5.6, when i could nail at f1.2 on a Canon perfectly focused..
@israelruelas57565 жыл бұрын
No one cares about selling a used camera.
@israelruelas57565 жыл бұрын
And you sound very BIASED! seems you favor anything but Leica. Don’t like the camera don’t look at the videos