LEICA CL vs MINOLTA CLE - Hands on comparison (feat. Eastblockboy)

[@kollegekool]

the correct order of the Analoge Leica M bodys is: M3 - M2 - M1 - MD - M4 - MDA - M5 - CL - M42 - MD2 - M4P - M6 - M6TTL - M7 - MP - MA

[@SamuelStreetlife]

Nice, thank you!

[@brayandiego7096]

I dont mean to be offtopic but does anybody know of a method to get back into an Instagram account? I somehow lost the login password. I love any help you can give me!

[@allanlewis6274]

@Brayan Diego instablaster :)

[@brayandiego7096]

@Allan Lewis i really appreciate your reply. I got to the site thru google and I'm in the hacking process atm. Looks like it's gonna take quite some time so I will reply here later with my results.

[@brayandiego7096]

@Allan Lewis it did the trick and I finally got access to my account again. I'm so happy! Thank you so much, you saved my ass :D

[@GindahouseC]

I have both the CLE and a couple of CL's. Never really liked the CLs but I absolutely love the CLE. There around 9 Leica M bodies in my collection and probably safe to say that the CLE is my favourite M-mount body of them all. So much fun to use!

[@boris.dupont]

It's funny to see you guys having a conversation that could have been recorded in the 70s but I love your passion for photography so thanks for sharing!

[@MIikel17]

Minolta user flexing on Leica user for 21 minutes straight hahahah great video Samuel

[@SamuelStreetlife]

Haha thanks man :D

[@Itsyaboy88]

Hahaha I absolutely loved it

[@jusren]

I just bought a CLE and I am enjoying it! Such a joy to use!

[@masahiroyamagami407]

この2つのカメラ、どちらにも一長一短ありますね。 CLE:オート撮影できる。しかしシャッター速度ダイヤルのロックのせいで露出補正の操作がしにくい。 　　マニュアル露出で撮影する場合、露出計の補助がなくなる。 　　28mmレンズが好きなら良いかもね。 CL:シャッター速度ダイヤルが操作しやすいと思う。 　　露出計のセンサーが画面の中心にあるので露出のスポット性が高い。だから視野中心にある物の色で大きく露出が変わる。 　　今、手に入れるなら中古しかないが、ボディーの角がへこんでいるものが多い。多分トップカバーの板の厚さが薄いのでしょう。 どちらも、今は作っていないカメラだから大事に使ってほしい。 私はCLEを持っています。レンズは228mm,40mm,90mmの3つを持っているが40mmが好きです。

[@mvaron2546]

I've had the Leica Cl for about 43 years. I bought the Cl used. At some point the meter stopped working and I spent a couple hundred dollars trying to get it to work and it didn't work. Finally I sent it to Leitz in New Jersey and the told me that the meter fails because the wire on from the meter oxides from outgassing from the battery and broke the wire within the insulation so it's not evident. I think it cost about $100 to replace the wire (all labor) and they recalibrated it for the alkaline battery because the mercury batteries were no longer available. Since then it's worked perfectly. I've taken it to Africa at least twice and it's gorgeous for landscape and animal photos in the context of their surroundings.

[@Ostblockjunge]

Thank you Samuel, I had a great long weekend in Hamburg and it was super fun to do that spontaneous video 😊 🍻

[@JerryAdam]

What happened to the Q? 😀

[@Ostblockjunge]

@@JerryAdam I never saw the Q again.

[@thehealthpotions]

YES! I'VE WAITED SO LONG FOR THIS!!! (knew u were making this one day cause u told me u would on live lol) thanks

[@simonbarnes7124]

I used to shoot weddings on 2 Minolta X700’s back in the early 90’s with a 50mm Rokkor lens and a 24mm Tokina. I used to shoot more in a documentary style while everyone else used Bronica medium formats.I still have the cameras. The CLE is very similar except the X700’s are SLRs. My all time favourite camera is the Minolta XD7. The winder is like a knife through butter, so smooth. Your CLE is absolutely mint. I so want that camera.

[@hammingdistance]

Daumen hoch weil - schönes Thema! - keine Nervige Hintergundmucke - keine Kopfwindel - kein Sichergeitsabstand

[@editmonday]

This was the most helpful video! Thank you!

[@shawnthale]

Used to have the Minolta CLE. I loved it but......got the M7 later. Why?....just kept eyeing Leica and finally shifted to something that made me happier.

[@PhilKnall]

Great Video, I'm looking at a CL currently and was wondering about the differences. Danke!

[@edwinparker6732]

Wein Cell MRB625 1.35 Volt Zinc/Air Camera Replacement Battery - thank you for the video, I wasn't aware of these batteries until now. Very useful for my '70s cameras and lightmeters. Cheers

[@Iklelele]

Dude I'm from Karlsruhe and it is not okay to not know it. Yall should visit Karlsruhe!

[@doodle0007]

I can imagine Leica and Minolta CEOs having this conversation before Leica broke the marriage. Awesome video guys- sometimes its nice to see something candid and less curated

[@jakeaaron]

I went back and forth between these two for a while. Then I got my Voigtlander Bessa R3M. Ha.

[@tuethuc]

the price of bessa r3m is crazy today in ebay, around 2000usd...

[@ivunchow]

Great video as usual! Have the Leica CL myself (with a broken meter), had no idea the Minolta had aperture priority...

[@pepsiplease69]

Have you made sure that the meter is in fact bad. A lot of times it works fine but the way you advance the film lever makes it retract all the way into the body and this turns the meter off.

[@Peter.Charles]

11:00 East Block Boy is right. The made in Canada M4-2 began production after the M5 and CL. The M6 came in 1984. A bit confusing, yes. It was an attempt to get back to the earlier M bodies that Leica fans loved.

[@vwralph]

Loved it! ❤️ Hope you are all well.

[@vichethm5763]

I'm surprised more people don't use these cameras. Both are perfect pocket rangefinders. Great vid Sam!

[@jakeaaron]

I think more people are shooting them these days. They just don't get name dropped as much cause they don't have the "desirability factor" of the "real" Leica's. I've DEFINITELY seen an uptick in CLE users lately.

[@dylancannyghin1474]

Ahaha the Eric Kim reference

[@RobMoses]

Both those cameras look awesome!

[@delukxy]

Nice friendly video. Whose wife was it in the background laughing at your antics?

[@juliussternfeld428]

Schneideritis: well known problem of Schneider-Kreuznach large format lenses. I think it’s oxidation inside the lens, that happens over time, I’m not sure.

[@wichersham]

Wow, a bit surprised to see my name all of sudden. Anyhow, glad to help!

[@ChritsianBucic]

Fun comparison. MINOLTA CLE, that is the one👌🏻

[@MamboFerido]

Ahhh I remember Eric Kim when you said Streettogs. Hate to say it, he's a great educator back in the days but something happened. He was crushing Street photography scene here in KZbin back then. Now I want the CL. I did not know it has more features than I was expecting.

[@ElmarJournal]

I dont follow, what happened? What did he do?

[@MamerBaraka]

Toro Elmar he became an irrelevant shill

[@robiulahmed]

@@ElmarJournal He became arrogant. He started cussing all the time and bragging about having "f**k you money". He was charging $5000 for photowalks. In general, his whole personality shifted.

[@ElmarJournal]

Arm Head o my, thanks for your info! Thats just sad

[@AlwaysDrawing2012]

Excellent overview! Thank you : )

[@Lennox_Klein]

Official Leica claims that the CL production was stoped because even after 85.0000 units were sold the CL wasn’t a commercial success. During its production run it out soled the M5 by 2:1. On paper it looks like Leitz stoped the production because of this ratio but it could also well be that the production fees Leitz had to pay and the relative low asking price of 950 Deutsche Mark (what my grand dad payed in 74) had simply not enough margin in it for Leitz continuing to sell the CL under the Leica brand. After 74 Minolta continued with the production of the CL under the Minolta Name for the Japanese and US marked, about 40.000 more unites were produced (source camera quest). In 1981 Minolta released a model update of the CL with the CLE. By the way Minolta and Leitz continued to collaborate on the R series by production of lese elements and electronic components and technological development. Minolta also produced a lot of Leitz early compacts as batch engendered products much like Panasonic does today with the Lumix series cameras.

[@TheGazmondo]

As I’ve said many time I just love my Minolta CLE, with its great film back. I cant understand a professional using Leica 35 mm cameras that falls to pieces, like they all do, so that on a job you have to juggle with two pieces of camera ? Leica have stubbornly stuck to this design for heritage reasons, and not adapted to the more professional loading method, of nearly all pro cameras. Added to which they all weigh a ton, for no good reason. Everyone I hear say, Oh the build quality, but it’s a tool first and Jewellery. second . It’s very much like claiming Oh the heavier the better ? When working on jobs loading film has to be done ASAP, Oh just dropped the bottom of my really heavy Leica, give me a moment while I find it ... WHAT ? Virtually no professional photographers in the days of film, on magazines, editorial and advertising, that I knew, used Leicas , except for their personal and fun use maybe. So for me the CLE is the best of both worlds, great lenses, compact, silent, easy to load, discreet, and can be used for work and fun... LOVE IT !

[@xyzhou6207]

Quite a lot of professionals used Leica before the Nikon F, and SLR worked better so they all switched.

[@kayteacher2078]

AFAIK the leica CL is the only leica-M that loads the film in that way and comes in two parts

[@nickfanzo]

I know people that shot at the North Pole with a Leica, in minus 50f and they never broke

[@ElmarJournal]

Have the Leitz Minolta CL version with Summi-C 40mm, Lightmeter is dead, but so far loving it due to compactness

[@ElmarJournal]

Just realized his name is also like mine lol, different is its my last name

[@jojojojo88888]

The issue you had with the shutter not firing off made me so paranoid about the CLE that I had to sell it. Glad to see you use it effectively.

[@SamuelStreetlife]

But that was not a defect. It only happens in aperture priority mode and when the camera cannot exposure properly because it is too bright (like not having a lens on).

[@lucadilazzaro240]

But the question is: where to repair Minolta CLE ?

[@Chida_o_0]

Loading that film looked about as easy as defusing a bomb :D Btw, first to say MBN (MUST BE NICE)!

[@tobiasschmidt1662]

To be honest, its Not that hard when its done right 😂

[@BlackMagickMike]

This was funny! Especial the Price is Right sound effects...

[@AlexOnStreets]

Very cool. 🤓

[@willh7014]

Hey Samuel, I was wondering if you’ve ever seen strange behavior with the meter. The copy I just acquired will sometimes not respond immediately to touch (in aperture priority mode). Also, it will sometimes give an immediate reading that is either low or high and then normalize after a second to the correct reading. Has this behavior been your experience as well? Love the channel and the episodes with film!

[@palesmichael]

I would swear that those minoltas do not suffer from schneideritis. Its afaik degradation of coatings. Schneideritis is mostly about developing air boubles between glass and the black colour on the outside of the group (between lens body and glass) It can be repaired by removing the problematic colour and reapplying it back. I am not aware about any method capable of restoring the coatings.

[@jakeryan8196]

The Eric Kim Intro had me 🤣

[@joeomalley5980]

Leica M5 pre-dated the CLE for TTL metering, Leica CL of 1973 had TTL.

[@Sco_street]

Great work! I interested in Leica CL, I have several m lens wanna try it on film, it is portable. But I have a question about that, Does it compatible with Elmarit 28mm ASPH? I saw some information 28mm may collapse the letter, I worry about that, I hope you can give me some opinion 🙏🏻

[@SamuelStreetlife]

Hey man, sorry I can't answer that question but I just had the opportunity to test a Elmarit 28mm ASPH on my CLE and it works fine on that. But better ask google if it is the same for the CL

[@thomasmueller7875]

Hi guys, thanks for the video. Both cameras are quite interesting and special. I have a CLE. But the diode is old and the light meter is a bit off. Also the rangefinder spot is not very well aligned anymore. Do you know somebody who is still servicing the CLE, preferably in Germany. Thanks, best wishes to you, keep it up! Thomas

[@driftstill]

great video, could you tell me the strap that you are using on the Minolta CLE? thank you and keep it up!

[@rossorosso]

nice video

[@sculptorgalaxy1806]

great comparison. I have a CLE and I am looking for the flash. In the meantime, using a 280px flash, it does not fire above 1/60s in manual mode. Does your flash fire in manual above 1/60s?

[@63MacGuy]

So you have a video where you're using the cameras?

[@xville8642]

I was looking at the Leica CL but it's missing 28mm frame lines :( went with Minolta CLE instead...

[@michaelneumann1865]

I love the rotor 40mm!

[@northof-62]

Mercury cell problems are history now that the Small Battery Co in UK makes stepdown adaptors for the SR43 batteries. Also: The two cameras look very much like my Zeiss Ikon, also made i Japan.

[@andykphoto]

Feeding my desire to get a CLE buddy for my Canonet 😅

[@andykphoto]

Update, I have a CLE buddy. And the Minolta 40mm and 90/4. And a Konica hexanon 28/2.8.

[@thomasmueller7875]

Hi Samuel, I also have a CLE. It needs some adjustments of the rangefinder patch and of the light meter. Do you know who can do that, preferably in Germany? Thanks, Thomas

[@MrAnticaArte]

I had Leica M2, M6, M7, Zeiss Ikon ZM and to be me the CLE is the best of all of them.

[@jennifergrainger2480]

Where is the best place/site to buy vintage/secondhand cameras? Thanks

[@yourall]

I bought my CLE and lens off of ebay. I was able to pick up a mint body, 40mm, and 28mm from sellers in Japan for a great price. It might take a little waiting for good condition lenses to pop up at the right price but I'm extremely satisfied.

[@jennifergrainger2480]

Hoodie Season my daughter lives in Berlin so maybe she can find one for me too. Good tip about buying from Japan. Thanks for the reply. Appreciate it. Cheers

[@MiladJP]

The moment I saw that "heyeveryonethisiserickimfromercikimstreetphotogrphaydotcom" I flinched for a moment 😂 Also: Name of the Video: Minolta Guy smashing East Block Boooooys purchase decision for 21 minutes.

[@TheAddri4n]

Can you tell us what did you do to the red self timer? how did you hide it?

[@domh7515]

Prices have risen substantially by now, 2 years later. The CL is not to be had below 400€ in good condition, the CLE goes for double that. Sad times, thanks to the hype. Same with Leica M bodies. Now it becomes a money game again, everyone trying to get a piece of the cake which leaves less affluent people behind.

[@LaszloGalloVideos]

nice sample howto dont load film into the CL (check the user manual, for the correct way...)

[@anantamulyono6121]

I was wondering if i'm doing it wrong on my CL but i'm happy someone else noticed his weird way of loading it hahaha

[@MiladJPanah]

EAST BLOCK BOOOOOOOY

[@southsonata]

Milad this you? haha

[@MiladJPanah]

@@southsonata hahah Yes buddy but this is only a test account. I will change this soon :)

[@filmniyom]

Cool camera i like it 👍

[@sebvz89]

Hi Samuel! Where you buy the half case for the CLE?

[@SamuelStreetlife]

I bought it from ebay UK. It has no brand name and there was only one when I bought it.

[@utai4571]

where do you guys find leica CL for so cheap? i found one for like 1500€

[@CuDerRaGer]

do you still have the minolta?

[@randallstewart175]

If you are going to give a historical summary, it helps to get it right! The CL was a join venture between Leica and Minolta, with Minolta providing the CL body to Leica's design. Minolta retained certain rights to produce a camera with M-mount, but did not at the time. Leica killed the CL two or three years later because the CL was eating into sales of regular Leica bodies, which hurt Leica's profits. A year or two later, Minolta produced the CLE, which can fairly be described as the camera Leica should have built in the first case. Minolta also built its own line of lenses to give Leica quality built at a price more fitting with the CLE. Leica continued their partnership in camera production for many years, as Leica gave up building their own SLR models after the first two, which had the same nutty design features which killed the Contarex for Zeiss 15 years earlier. All of the later Leicaflex models were basically rebadged versions the current top of the line Minolta SLRs but with the Leicaflex mount.

[@southsonata]

sad i was refreshing for 5mins only to be 3rd in the comments :(

[@SamuelStreetlife]

Oh noooo! :D But appreciate you being the 3rd, too haha.

[@rich.outofstep9057]

Wann kommt mal wieder ein Photo Critique Video, und wie kann man teilnehmen :)? Liebe Grüße aus Kanada

[@EmDanielle1415]

Trying to find one of these cameras for under 1200 USD in good condition is impossible

[@pinkmark4047]

you can get a Leica CL body for $300-600 USD it seems. All the listings I've seen for $1000+ include a lens and accessories. I lucked out and just recently got one with a 40mm Voigtlander Nokton for $800, case included.

[@marcp.1752]

The Leica CL Film loading mechanism is more craptastic than any cheap Minox 35 Series into contrast. ;) And i know both of them, the CL and CLE.

[@seongslee]

This was exactly the video I was looking for and was fun watching! It's good that CLE uses a battery that can be found easily. Just curious how long a fresh set of batteries would normally last on CLE?

[@SamuelStreetlife]

Glad to hear you enjoyed the video! In my personal experience the CLE can last easily for half a year with two batteries. But since I started turning the camera completely off whenever I don't use it I haven't encountered any battery loss since over half a year (usually you notice when the metering isn't working in the viewfinder).

[@templerazrael]

Those were the days! Now they both are way more expensive

[@borlean4691]

I never understood why does Minolta CLE looks way more like a Leica than literal Leica CL.

[@AI-Hallucination]

Where are you getting these cameras so cheap?

[@papertiger982]

Loading the Leica CL looks horrendous...

[@ferdiyansurya]

Eric Kim! What's up Streettogs... 😂😂😂

[@DogsandFilm]

The real video title is: A Minolta user destroy a Leica user in public sharing the specs of theirs cameras... and almost rain.

[@JayGrapherTh]

must be nice Leica CL & must be NICER Minolta CLE??? :P

[@michaelhamasaki3744]

Could you make a video on smartphone photography?

[@rikardlandberg]

That is NOT how you load a Leica CL! :p

[@barrycohen311]

Elmar was named after a Leica lens.

[@98338142]

I have been to Karlshrue twice

[@temporal0044]

Hi 🙋‍♀️

[@voradorlinux]

Is the kid at 10:50 ok?

[@SamuelStreetlife]

😂 haha I never noticed him

[@leradicideglialberi]

I prefere the CL

[@mikewhiles4635]

Used both. The CLE is way better - sorry Leica fans. Don't have either now. Shame.

[@linjicakonikon7666]

I never use built in meters anymore, or anything that requires a battery. Life is better without it. If you cant shoot without a meter, you're not a real photographer.😉

[@GOMD77]

3:07 I had the same reaction lol WTF

[@Ginanjarmp]

KSC OLE OLEEE

[@BokehLyfe]

Eww Eric Kim

[@nickfanzo]

The cle is better.

[@oreziopancrazio3685]

Is the guy on the right high? What kind of review is this? There is something awful in it, I cant say why, but probably cause of the totally grotesque behaviour of the whitetshirt guy.

[@user-ti9zc1xv2b]

So many camera's, explains the bad photographs

[@novalecortar]

good to see the comparison, but what a weird video...

[@symmetry_disjointed]

me not like leicas only like canon dslr ok bye hes an idea shoot with canon my dude we tired of those leica ricoh fiji crap all right bye dude have good smooth quarantine bye

[@mariotheotaku]

Bye Felicia! 👋

[@jakeaaron]

bye

[@tomcruz3774]

Hey, Fiji is a nice place