Leica D-Lux 8 Defies Expectations, Including My Own

[@3BMEP]

Hey, all! I just want to thank you for contributing to such a lovely discussion but admit I'm a bit overwhelmed by the volume of your responses. Please forgive me if I do not respond to every comment!

[@bayvanman]

I'm just here for the level headed approach to reviews and... the calm.

[@3BMEP]

Happy to be of service. :)

[@nunyabidness8870]

Hugh is what you'd get if Jon Stewart had spent his career hosting an NPR show about Buddhism instead of The Daily Show. I am, of course, here for it.

[@3BMEP]

😊🙏🏻🖖🏻 Stewart is a national treasure!

[@themastersofshadow8670]

Hear hear!!🖤🖤🖤

[@aaronmoore3050]

It was so sad when NPR shut down their comments section, in 2016. Those were the days!

[@orangebetsy]

lol, absolutely

[@arneheeringa96]

Yeah, the video 'Spiritual self awareness' of Father Spyridon was suggested below this video.

[@CalMukumoto]

People buy Leicas for the "Leica look," I think there is an argument that people buy Leicas for the "Leica Feel.'

[@3BMEP]

Absolutely!

[@grandrapids57]

As for myself, I bought it because the cameras from that island country seem to have hard-to-use menus.

[@Johnny5tele]

Leica sound…esp. listening to the shutter on the M11-P.

[@MichaelNgvyen]

Completely agree!

[@KathyXie]

Specs doesn't matter anymore for non profesionals, any camera nowadays take good pics and usable video, user experience, fun an cool factor are what matters

[@jmtphotographymedia]

Totally agree. We have passed the image quality renaissance and we should now be entering the handling and user experience renaissance.

[@arneheeringa96]

Specs don't matter for pros too. You can make billboards with 6 MP.

[@nelsonclub7722]

Pro here 35 years in the game - when I pull out my old M8 and 90mm - people stop - I agree that pixels are a myth- I do have other cameras - but this one creates art with every shutter release - even the out of focus ones!!1

[@MichaelNgvyen]

Perfectly Put!

[@gonzotravelling]

You'd actually be surprised how little specs matter for professionals. They just want their camera to not break down. Megapixels is marketing for consumers.

[@gatitodura]

The narrative in the introduction it's incredible! It doesn't matter if it's photography, he could be reviewing sewing machines and still be like hearing an awesome tale. Thanks!

[@3BMEP]

🖖🏻🙏🏻😊

[@michaelmlodzianowski956]

Seriously looking into this camera. I use to shoot a d-lux 5 years ago. It was one of my favourite cameras. Recently I have been shooting Fuji but can see how the simplicity of this camera will just encourage me to just go out and use it.

[@MikepTejas]

I just busted out my d lux 5. I forgot how good of pictures it takes.

[@gazdyer2732]

Awesome Hugh , i could listen to you talking passionately about all things photography all day long . thank you.

[@3BMEP]

😊🙏🏻🖖🏻

[@franktatom1837]

Thanks for mentioning the leaf shutter, with the tiny accessory flash attached, shooting fill flash in daylight is great and is something few current cameras can do. Years ago, i used to shoot with a flash in broad daylight with my Zeiss Ikon Contessa, and i do now with my Lumix LX100 mk i in the same way. I bought an LX100 for a NYC trip in 2019 and fell in love with it. I'm glad Leica has continued with the camera with minimal changes to the controls, the controls are absolutely fantastic for making changes while shooting without fussing with menus or unmarked dials. Considering the capabilities of the camera, which aren't easy to know without using it, the price is a bargain, in my opinion.

[@martingreenberg870]

Hard to reconcile bargain and Leica in the same breath. Hope the D-Lux8 doesn’t come onto the radar of the TikTok influencers. I don’t want the unavailability and price premium they caused the X100VI I wanted but can’t get to apply to this body. Mask On Nurse Marty (Ret)

[@riccardovisca5751]

I own an lx100 it's very good and you get used to the messy buttons etc. I think this is good for someone who doesn't want to change pocket camera and wants a better experience. Remains to be seen if it is better. Oh I come from a contax G1 for the ones that still remember

[@cam7432]

Lovely assessment of the Leica D-Lux 8, which I will likely buy if/when my LX100ii gives up the ghost. Your speculations about who might want and how they might use the D-Lux 8 strike me as correct. For me, my LX100ii is a long-time favorite camera to carry to parties and county fairs and the like, but also for maintaining my daily photo journal, and, as it happens, my favorite EDC is my Q2m and LX100ii. Lastly, the tiny flash is both functional and adorable and I wish like mad there was an equivalent for the Q line.

[@3BMEP]

Re your last line: you and me both! 😊🖖🏻

[@jimdonato2511]

I've had a Sony RX100 VII for a while and have never really warmed up to it. The images are kind of flat and the menu system is a nightmare. I'm a Leica shooter with an SL2 and Q2 but like to have a compact for when I want or need one. I'm contemplating trading the RX100 for the D-Lux 8 for a few reasons, but mostly because it's a Leica and also that it shoots in DNG format. I don't expect it to be an SL2 or Q2, but it would be nice to have the Leica experience with a small carry everywhere camera.

[@thebitterfig9903]

It'd be sweet if they did a Monochrom version of the D-Lux 8. It's got the filter thread already, and would probably be a blast.

[@3BMEP]

Nice idea!

[@LivingStr0nger]

I’m looking for a dedicated travel camera and am not quite sure this one is the one I am going to get… but a monochrome version would sell me immediately.

[@yuidfbse]

Absolutely! That would be a huge success and put this camera in a category of itself. It's never gonna happen though it would be technically very simple

[@WhipahSnapah]

Would be so fun. I wouldn’t be able to put it down.

[@lasticonoclast]

It’s good to see a micro four thirds camera receive some love… even if it’s for the Leica brand. 😊

[@johnkasianowicz6536]

Hugh, why couldn’t you convince Leica to re-issue their APS-C digital CL? 😊 I love that camera. As you know well, it accepts all the Leica and L-Mount Alliance lenses, M mount lenses with the M-Adapter-L, and Leica R-mount lenses with the R-Adapter-L. I picked up two Leica SF40 flash units for my CL and one I gave away. That flash is larger than the one you showed here, but smaller than the SF60 (which I also have). I wonder if the tiny flash would work on the CL. I was just in Wetzlar for 3 days last week. I didn’t think of looking at the D-Lux-8 and its accessories.

[@mohdfarizolabdulghani7208]

It won't be CL2. It will kill Q3 sales easily.

[@johnkasianowicz6536]

@@mohdfarizolabdulghani7208 Did the digital CL kill Q, Q2, and Q2 Monochrom sales?

[@3BMEP]

They had compelling reasons; I had the talk!

[@christophertan3707]

I remember trying that little flash on my TL2 and it didn't work.

[@johnkasianowicz6536]

@@christophertan3707 Specifically, what didn’t work? Both the TTL and manual modes work on my digital CL. I think the manual mode provides more control over the exposure.

[@AndyKevill]

I've posted this elsewhere but in the light of this review, I think it worth repeating here: I think that Leica may have missed a trick. Had they given it an APC sensor, I think they would have blown the Fuji VI out of the water. You used the term "gateway drug" ... I reckon that would be a gateway drug to the Leica systems. They obviously couldn't do a full frame version because that would wreck sales of the Q3 (and I'd be very surprised if there were ever to be a Q zoom because that would hammer M sales). But I reckon a zoom APC compact from Leica really would be the bee's knees.

[@GrainOnTheGo]

It already exists in the form of the Leica CL, which to be fair is in dire need of a refresh.

[@acliffalay]

If they did release an APC sensor version, they would need to design a brand new lens, which would be much larger to offer similar wide apertures, the body would likely be larger, and would therefore be significantly more expensive compared to the X100VI. There is a wide gap in Leica's 'entry level' offerings in terms of price, so a £2500 Leica APS-C compact would have a distinct price point in their line up, but would put it in a completely different price category to the other enthusiast compacts like the Ricoh, X100VI.

[@GrainOnTheGo]

@@acliffalay it literally already exists in the form of the Leica CL they just haven’t touched that system in years.

[@acliffalay]

@@GrainOnTheGo I am aware of the Leica CL, but given that it has interchangeable lenses, its not really in the same market segment. Also it retailed for around $2795 body only, you'd have to factor in lens costs on top. Maybe the best comparison within Leica is the Leica X Series, APC fixed lens, with a variety of fixed focal length and zoom ranges. The X Vario was a lovely looking thing. Note the size of the 28-70mm lens, and the slow aperture range required for an APS-C zoom.

[@AndyKevill]

@@acliffalay I agree about the lens requirement (obviously) but I reckon that if Leica did produce such a camera and kept the price low (-ish) specifically with the intent to make life as difficult as possible for the competition, they would sweep up all those who would like a Leica but aren't prepared/can't afford to buy into the M and SL systems and would at the same time create a really serious gateway drug for those systems. In terms of price they would need to go for a minimised profit in order to compete but I reckon it would be worth the effort.

[@henrybeckmeyer8393]

Nice review of a nice camera. It is not cutting edge, but it is more than sufficient for 99% of most peoples' photo-making. The one Leica compact camera I loved, and miss, is/was the X2. Same basic size as the D-Lux camera, APS-C sensor (that really amazing 16MP sensor that was so popular back then) and a killer 35mm eq lens. I wish Leica would resurrect something like that!

[@palmamir]

I wonder if this camera, which I see is very much like the Panasonic cameras of the same design, will continue to such in dust without any ability to clean the sensor. My LX100's sensor is filled with dust and essentially usable after f/4. I would buy this camera, or the Panasonic version when it comes out, if the sensor was perfectly sealed from outside dust. Otherwise, I find it hard to pay from a camera whose dusty sensor I can't clean.

[@onourwayeverywhere]

Thank you for the video. I ordered one in May hoping it would be just what you are suggesting it is. I love the image quality of my Sony a7rv but i can not stand the menu system. Everything in that camera gets in the way of enjoying the process. I have taken a long hard look at what i actually do with my photographs and realized that 61MP is a waste for me and my computer hard drive space. I am looking forward to getting the joy back in the process! And I am hoping the camera does not take too long to acctuallt ship!!

[@3BMEP]

Thanks for sharing!

[@PeterB-Dlux]

Hugh I totally LOVE your reviews but this one was a bit of a head scratcher. If you go to DPreview and use their side-by-side tool to compare the DLUX7 (I still own the earlier DLUX) and this DLUX 8 it's as you said essentially the same. The prints you gushed over could easily have been made with the PREVIOUS DLux 7. The key seems to be about the "experience" and gestalt which it appears is something to consider when it is SOOOOOO close in visual cues to the Q. If the processor is from the Q then THAT would be something. But there's no mention of that. It's essentially a Q-affied version of the previous DLUX. (Not that there's anything wrong with that.)

[@3BMEP]

As I said and you've recalled, Peter, some will say it's a Q-iffed D-Lux 7; again, like you, I found nothing objectionable in that categorization. For someone who likes the idea of the but is more budget constrained, a used '7 or LX100 II may indeed be a better option. It's all good!

[@PeterB-Dlux]

@@3BMEP P..S. While I've watched (and loved) your fantastic honest reviews, I'm new to subscribe and that gave me the opportunity to post. I not sure you read the comment I made on your excellent take on the Sony A7CR. Thanks to your insights and thoughts I bought the A7CR along with the 50mm f1.2 Sigma based on your review and the samples (particularly the skate boarder in flight which the lens and YOU totally nailed!) that's like having a Noctilux with AF and the Sony 28mm f2 . Flickr is a great way to see the kinds of images lenses (and cameras) can produce. You should know I lusted for the Hasselblad 907X with either the 50mp back or the 100mp back. I've also lusted for the Leica Q3. I could afford neither. Your review gave me the idea that while I might not amass the elements of those wonderful cameras that generate a certain frisson of joy and inspiration to go out and use them (as you often say..."hold THAT thought!") I might be able get a BOGO. Here's what happened: I applied for an Adorama Edge card and was given a $5K balance. With that I bought the A7CR, the 50mm f1.2 Sigma Art, a used 28mm f2 Sony, and a Rapid Black "Metro" strap. (If you haven't guessedn already I think you cab guess where I'm going with this.) With the 50mm Sigma I set the aspect ratio to 1:1 and hold the camera vertically while flipping the rear LCD downward. This essentially (but, of course, not fully) re-creates the experience of using the 907X with the 80mm f1.8 XCD lens. It''s even about the same mass as that kit. A poor man's baby Blad. With the 28mm f2 Sony on board, I have a poor man's Q3 (remember it has a 61mp BSI sensor that could very well be the one in the Q3, it just doens't have the Leitz software touches). Do I mind the lesser EVF and rear LCD. Not really. Since the Lumix G1 which I bought after it appeared I use the EVF and LCD for basic composition and aiming. I use both eyes my free left eye for detail when using the A7CR as a Baby Blad, and the left eye for detail when it's like the Poor Man's Q. Noisy shutter. My god is it. Solution: for situations with subjects that are static or will have a peak pause or stealth is required, use the electronic shutter. For moving situations where Sony's unbeatable continuous AF running the show (and other situations where shutter noise will be unnoticeable) go mechanical. The touch screen is fantastic. And while the menu is vastly improved from previous ones and is still somewhat daunting, plow through it find the settings you want access to, to quickly re-adjust like aspect ratio or color/BW and set it up. For the rest keep the wheel access features as is and set C1 like you did. For other stuff use "auto". For the rest you can do what the late famous (or infamous) appliance huckster, Ron Popeil would say.."Set it. And forget it!" So, Hugh, thank you. Thank you. Thank you for your wisdom, advice, and brutally honest 360° reviews.

[@3BMEP]

@@PeterB-Dluxwhat a lovely and thoughtful contribution to the discourse here, Peter. Welcome - and thank you!

[@stevesnyder2500]

I'm so glad to see you still giving M43 some love. I wish I had picked up a Lumix LX100 II back when you could get a new one, for travel. Now I have a second chance, though I will have to scrape together a bit more for it. Love your videos, keep up the good work.

[@3BMEP]

It works, Steve! :)

[@StevenSnyder-h3h]

@3BMEP and I still have an S90 as well. My wife likes carrying it when we travel, and I love getting raws from her photos.

[@markhoffman9655]

I got my retro fix with an Olympus PEN Lite E-PL9 and pair it with a M.Zuiko 25mm f1.8 for some rangefinder aesthetic ... lots of fun!

[@cameraz99]

Thank you, Hugh. I have been waiting for your video ever since I ordered my D-Lux 8 on May 23rd. Since then, I have heard so much negativity about this camera (mostly from people who have never even used one) that I began to question my purchase. But, after listening to your thoughtful commentary, I am glad I made the plunge. A couple of things, however: The D-Lux 8 only goes up to 1/2000 of a second, unlike the D-Lux 7's 1/4000. Why they dropped the speed, I don't know. So the 8 can only flash synch at 1/2000. Secondly, I have made some beautiful 20"x30" prints with my Panasonic GX85, which has 16mp micro 4/3 sensor, so I have no fear that the latter can perform just as well.

[@3BMEP]

First, enjoy! Second: both cameras (‘7 and ‘8) synch to 1/4000, although both physical dials only show up to 1/2000.

[@PaulAmyes]

I have the Leica D-Lux type 109 - the first of the series. It is such a fun camera to use. I use it for stills, time lapse and video and it delivers excellent results. I can't help but feel that most cameras companies have missed something whilst pursuing technological perfection. Leica and to a large extent Fuji seem to get the idea that the camera should instil joy in the user.

[@3BMEP]

Thanks for sharing!😊🖖🏻

[@ourhouseuk]

A rebadged old Panasonic without even leica looks defies my expectations for Leica too.

[@Brightsparks1960]

Wonderful analysis of the DLux8 and its positioning and appeal. I have recently purchased the LX100 mk1 and mk ii and GX9 just because of the handling and styling - to add more fun back into the image taking experience that can be dulled by my other full frame and MFT cameras. For me, the unique appeal of the LX100 and the Dlux8 is the external aspect ratio control. This changes the way you approach image taking as you are thinking first about aspect rather than as a post production cropping exercise. There are also some nice monochrome options. Well done Leica! It's what the market wants and needs. Had just received my pre order email from local Leica store but already Sold Out when checking the order status!

[@3BMEP]

WOW -- that was fast! Thanks for sharing!

[@georgedobre88]

Sir , your review is as always top shelf ! But I can not stop myself thinking that this camera is just the Leica marketing department looking for a nice packaging for an old Panasonic camera ... and I talk from a d-lux3 owner (and several M's) perspective + I have tested the d-lux8 for about few hours ..... aaaaaand this is not a baby Q by any means ...

[@3BMEP]

I understand.

[@jameswu5623]

I like this name “three blind men and an elephant “. 😂 All Chinese students learned this story in primary school in China.

[@clawdawg7248]

Hi Hugh! We had the Panasonic version of this amazing camera (DMC-LX5) for the first half of the last decade. Images from that camera occasionally surface in the photos widget, and when they do, I’m always impressed. What an intriguing option this latest release is. A perfect travel camera for many. I’m still bringing the M and a few lenses on my trip, however! 😊 Terrific review, as ever. Best - Chris

[@3BMEP]

Thanks, Chris! And thanks for sharing! 😊🖖🏻

[@grandrapids57]

What I would wish for would be some kind of a Zoom bridge camera with either a simple menu system or a simple menu mode, leaving out the dozens of options that rarely get used. The Kodak Easyshare cameras generally would be a decent model for that.

[@yoursanta361]

Always enjoy your posts and usually go into settings and speed the video up to 1.25 or 1.5...same content without such long pauses...who says you can't buy time. Keep up the great videos love them

[@3BMEP]

Hah! I get it from both ends. It's OK. Glad you enjoy them at whatever speed suits! ;)

[@ratgirl13]

I have the Sony RX100vii so I’m not interested in the Leica D-Lux 8-but enjoyed your review and your photos are crisp! ❤

[@3BMEP]

😊🖖🏻🙏🏻

[@PhilipRanson-d5t]

It’s a beautiful camera for a carry round,far better than a phone,plus no lenses to buy.Good piece,thank you.

[@3BMEP]

My pleasure. :)

[@Powerland56]

Thank you for your transparente at 02:55 👍🏻. Other reviewers „forget“ such things 😂.

[@richie_phantom]

You my friend are a character named Ballistic in a video game called “Apex Legends.” I’m happy to see you out of the arena and in New York taking photos instead of lives.

[@3BMEP]

That's pretty cool!

[@sigurdrille9693]

Promising travel camera, but I think I will stick to my Sony RX100 for now….(a camera no one seems to remember is still available…)

[@drthompson65]

Another great video Hugh! Been looking at one of these since announced. Wish I had it on my recent Taiwan trip!

[@3BMEP]

I understand. 😊🙏🏻🖖🏻

[@devroombagchus7460]

Careful! Leica is king when it comes to camera concepts, technical perfection, minimalistic design, ergonomics, durability, etc. But when it comes to electronics, their expertise is even below substandard. I got rid of all my Leicas that needed a batterie to function, because even with a new or freshly charged batterie, they were too often useless.

[@MichaelShawPhoto]

I bought the D-Lux 7, and the shutter speed dial goes to 1/4000th. The D-Lux 8 only shows 1/2000th, yet the content providers on KZbin are claiming the D-Lux 8 shutter tops out at 1/4000th. Who has the right answer? And why might Leica make this downgrade change?

[@MarioZupanovic]

Makes no sense downgrading the shutter speed on the dial, but looking at the product that seems to be a xase.

[@ToddBannor]

You probably use the back dial to get to 1/4000. I have an LX100II and the back dial gets you to the speeds between the full stops on the shutter speed dial.

[@3BMEP]

Yep

[@FrankJWinters]

Great video as always -- But -- $1,500 bucks ain't cheap. After having an LX100 Mk 1 for 8 years and parting with it -- then missing it -- I just found a "like new" LX100 in Australia (silver and brown this time instead of black) -- it's in the air now, having left Adelaine.... $285.....I think I'll be happy -- and not broke. (I almost went for the Leica but I am deep in my retirement and money is an object).

[@3BMEP]

Sounds good to me! Enjoy!

[@digitalrex5]

If shooting film for for the last few years has taught me anything any larger sensor (4/3 and bigger) camera can take amazing images. The a99 I bought to go along with my old a mount sony/minolta lenses is all the full frame camera I need. That said I would still take an x100vi over this for similar money.

[@earlekimel7771]

Nice little review. The leaf shutter is one of the reasons I bought my LX100 (after renting and doing an A-B with it and the Typ 109). I’m hoping it does sell like hotcakes.

[@3BMEP]

Thanks for sharing!

[@windv]

Now the real question is how to flash the new Leica firmware on a Panasonic LX 100 :)

[@scottfineshriber5051]

I appreciate learning the advantages of the D-Lux 8, but I'm very satisfied with my LX100 II. I think the thing I probably envy most is the new OLED EVF, but the LX100 II still has a surprising list of great features.

[@3BMEP]

Thanks for sharing! 😊🖖🏻

[@tylerbenner]

Great camera!

[@windv]

It would be interesting if there is a way to flash the new Leica firmware on the LX 100 :)

[@Jaywestend]

I was lucky enough to find a typ109 for under 500$ (CAD) a few years back. Love the camera, especially shooting with the flash.

[@3BMEP]

Enjoy!

[@martingreenberg870]

Amazing indeed. An affordable Leica. Not an oxymoron. Design, built, and heritage I understand. I like M43. I love the size and lightweight body. I like the zoom lens focal length. I like the image stabilization. I like fast glass. I could use and adore this body. I am a LUMIX fan. I love my GX8/85/9 bodies with the PL15mm lens. I have been hoping for LUMIX to give me a G9ii sensor in the S9 body. IBIS. Weather sealing. EVF. And the mic jac the GX85/9 inexplicably lacks. Lumix appears to have abandoned photographers and they may never deliver the dream I have. That is why it is called a dream. The D-Lux8 may be as close to what I want from LUMIX. Thank you Leica. Love the Brooklyn Bridge image! Mask On Nurse Marty (Ret)

[@3BMEP]

Hey, Marty!

[@eric.p.merlin3537]

Hello Hugh Does it justify an upgrade from my tiny and superbly miniaturized GM5 with its 2014 tech / sensor?!? Thx 🙏 Hugh

[@TheMidnightOnline]

I used pro-Nikon & Canon DSLR setups for years...then, one day...I bought a Leica Q2 Monochrom....WOW!....My first ever Leica and it changed everything for me! I was blown away by the image quality, build quality, ergonomic design, and sheer utter JOY factor of using this camera that I could take anywhere with me. I immediately started to understand why Leica has the reputation it has, totally deserved. That's why when I purchased a second-hand Dlux 7 as an accompaniment to the Q2, I was massively disappointed and immediately sold it, it definitely did not have the Leica 'package' to it, it felt cheaply built, something that I expect today from the Asian market camera manufacturers. It wasn't worthy of the RED dot, and not a nice experience to use. Looking at the Dlux 8, Leica seems to have made a good decision and created distance from that market, where they should never have their brand competing. Gibson Guitars did the same for many years and it nearly destroyed their brand, thankfully the new owners have corrected this. Nowadays if you want quality products, especially hand-built or assembled, they come with a heavy price tag, if you want cheap and affordable then expect low quality. It seems that with any product, there seems to be zero middle ground between the two nowadays as there once was years back, which is sad... that unfortunately is how the World is today. I'm fully aware that, unlike all other Leicas, this camera is built in China, but it's obviously tightly QC'd by Leica itself...unlike the Dlux 7 which looked like Panasonic had free reign over it. I'm very much looking forward to trying a D LUX 8 out. Nowadays, I own a Leica Q3 too, which is just phenomenal! They have created something truly amazing there. I also have a Fujifilm Xpro 3 which I love too, hoping for the release of the Xpro 4, but judging by the cheap build quality of their new release models, I'll probably be holding onto the Xpro 3 and further investing in Leica.

[@3BMEP]

Thanks for such a thoughtful contribution! 😊🖖🏻

[@daryljohnson9010]

Thank you Hugh for sharing commentary regarding print sizes. Words that come to mind: highly usable, fun, light, and more than capable.

[@3BMEP]

👍🏼👊🏻😊🖖🏻

[@hughwolfe1176]

In today’s marketplace this looks like a nice camera to get yourself in the Leica door… Definitely better looking that a smartphone… Thank you for sharing this.

[@3BMEP]

😊🙏🏻🖖🏻

[@AitorITurbe]

We would like to see Ricoh vs delux 8, I think Ricoh would win, let's see if you do it. Thanks

[@frankforster1336]

I had the predecessor Loved it. After 3 months i had a dust issue. Checked on the internet and found out that this was pretty common. Has the problem been solved? No. So why buy a camera you‘d better not take on a trip? (Or buy at all)

[@3BMEP]

Hmmm… do you know how pervasive is this issue? First I’m hearing of it.

[@villegas24]

The film you did was commissioned by the the library in my little city in Germany! 😮

[@3BMEP]

I so enjoyed working with her!

[@eargenelldecuba8271]

I am thinking about buying a camera as a beginner. I am considering either the Leica D-Lux 8 or the Fujifilm X100VI. What do you think? Which one should I buy, or do you have any tips for purchasing one of these two?

[@3BMEP]

It is always a function of what you intend to shoot; your budget; and your priorities. That’s a longer conversation than I can have here. I offer consultations for a fee, but as you are just starting out, I’d prefer you save your money and devour videos on “best cameras for beginners” (dpreview in particular does an excellent job). Happy hunting!

[@badbunnyTUBE]

If only lumix/leica decide to make a gx9ii with phase detect autofcus and a viewfinder. Not to mention the Luts and latest stabilisation. Hot damn... If we go as far as we want with hopes and dreams, slap in a monochrome mft sensor. Just think.... Gx9ii monochrome 🤤

[@RonScibilia]

It will sell--but like hotcakes? Leica could not have offered a fixed-lens CL with a Q skin for a similar ticket? With the Maestro II processor? The target market does not print, really, do they? And if they do would they not prefer the definitely cool Leica Sofort 2? I'd be interested in an IQ comparison between this camera and an iPhone 15 Pro Max at 11x14 or even 15x20.

[@stevegellas7869]

Loved it.

[@3BMEP]

😊🙏🏻🖖🏻

[@johnherzel718]

So this D-Lux 8 is selling for about the same price as the Fuji X100VI. Seems like a much better bargain with the Leica zoom. M4/3 sensor is smaller but the lens is better. Do I sell my X100F (which is just fine to keep and use) and pony up the difference? Too bad they went the variable aperture route. F2.4 or 2.8 constant aperture should fit the body with the 24-75 (equivalent) zoom. Small nitpick here, TLDR; I want one. PS, I still use my Canon s100!😂

[@fbales]

Wow! I love KZbin, but I’m often, I mean often, disappointed. Most are, well, lacking in presentation. But what have I found here?! An intelligent reviewer. Sir, you are rare. I have subscribed.

[@3BMEP]

Welcome to the channel! 😊🙏🏻🖖🏻

[@arneheeringa96]

You can have a look too at The Art of Photography (Ted Forbes), The photographic eye (Alex Kilbee) that continued video in the style of the first Ted Forbes videos, and Daniel Milnor. Absolutely love Daniel Milnors channel, his Q&A and Notes on Photography are such a fountain of knowledge.

[@thedarkslide]

4:35 Geez. What is it with this fetish of highlighting the RAW file support as something new?! ALL of the these cameras ALWAYS had RAW file support. Even my D-Lux Type 109 (based on the original LX100) shoots RAW. Yes, it's not DNG. It's Panasonic's RAW file format, which has been supported in Adobe Camera RAW, Lightroom etc. for ages.

[@3BMEP]

I should have specified DNG, you're right!

[@Spmart5]

I own a D-Lux 7. I love the compact size, the lens, and the tactile controls, but it’s such an annoying camera to use. This frustration comes from the amount of buttons, indicators, and software options to deal with. I mostly shoot film because it’s a simpler way to capture photos and stay in control at the same time. I always felt the D-Lux 7 provides a "you haven’t paid us enough to get less" kind of experience, and it’s frustrating. It’s called Leica, looks like a Leica, has a Leica lens, but feels like a Panasonic. That’s just not what I’m looking for in photography. I hope the D-Lux 8 is different. It looks like it is. Then I could probably exchange my 7 and switch to the 8.

[@rosvw3517]

Sitting here still enjoying my D-Lux 7… no way am I spending more for this 8. Just bought the new Fuji X-T50 and love both these cameras. Leica blew their chance to compete in this price segment. Seems they were too lazy to put some new kit together.

[@63MacGuy]

Great video Hugh! I may have missed it, are you getting one?😊 i've had the Fujifilm X-100iv on pre-ordered since February 😬 wonder if I should be looking at Germany for my next camera?

[@3BMEP]

If you had any idea how much coin we've dropped over the last six months, you'd know the answer - but ask me again next year! ;)

[@les5309]

Thanks for doing this review. It's just what I needed. However, now that I'm an old guy, who owned Leica gear many decades ago, I think I may want to get this camera. My main concern is that I have large and clumsy fingers and wonder if you think that makes this purchase a mistake for me. I do want simple but good performance, btw. With this limited info, do you think I should pursue a purchase? Cheers.

[@3BMEP]

Well, just how large and clumsy? For comparison, I can palm a very grippy regulation size basketball, but my fingers are not particularly wide. Try to do a freeze frame of shots where you can see my holding the camera to compare!

[@starwf07]

I am curious if they updated the auto lens cap to give a little more space to fit a filter. I recently put a polarizing filter on my DLux 7 and had to switch back to the standard lens ring and cap because the auto cap wouldn't close over it. And as a side note... I get it. I really enjoy my DLux 7 and am contemplating upgrading to the 8. I think people tend to get lost in the weeds in tech specs and forget about the holistic experience of using a camera. As you mention, this line certainly has shortcomings compared to other models (there's always something that does each individual thing better), but it has a lot of thoughtful, harmonious features which deliver a particular experience, and delivers it well. It is truly greater than the sum of its parts. You've got a very useful zoom range, great aperture, a good sensor/image quality, an excellent control layout/ergos (in my opinion), different aspect ratios, and crazy battery life all packed into an incredibly compact body for what it provides. I mean, where else are you going to find a zoom with that aperture on any other compact camera? Yes, it makes some sacrifices, but it does the job of a street/city/travel/daily carry camera exceedingly well.

[@donsoley746]

Great vid!

[@3BMEP]

Thanks, Don!

[@jameswu5623]

I like this name “three blind men and an elephant “. 😂 All Chinese students learned this story in primary school in China.

[@floriangodovits5166]

I own a D-Lux Typ 109 and a D-Lux 7. The latter has the same Sensor and Lens and Resolution. And the former has "only" 12MP and an older Sensor - which is BETTER in terms of the LEICA LOOK. Colors aren´t the same with the D-Lux 7 anymore, and although it´s great during Daylight and the Intelligent Zoom is way better than the one from the Typ 109. The Combination of Sensor and Lens are perfection in that one. If they haven´t made things more in the Direction of the Typ 109 with the D-Lux 8, no new Menu can sell it to me - and you can get 3 (!) used Typ 109´s for the same price as a D-Lux 8. Not that i´m biased or anything:).

[@3BMEP]

;)

[@JohanKhoo]

Does it do Leica Looks???? I am loving it on the Q3 and SL3 for quick output!

[@Mamo878]

Nope. A 'new' digital camera without a tilt-screen is a deal killer.

[@jarmokarkkainen7621]

Somehow all this made me long for the OM E-M5 mk1 I had for years...to think that I just gave that camera away. Of course I do not have any lenses for that system anymore, but the camera was a joy to shoot with, very simple with jpegs only. Maybe Leica is on to something here, although...where does the smart money go?

[@davidderuyver6519]

Even with this kind of hidden marketing trends I am not convinced by the dlux 8. In my opinion it stays an old panasonic/ Leica camera with a new outfit. I had the lx100 mk2 and sold it back after 1 week for the Ricoh Gr3. The lx100 lens was horrible in termes of distortion. Heavily corrected in camera. The selector on the barrel never gives the full potential of the sensor. Of course everybody buys the camera they like but at the end what counts for me is the image from the camera. The lens and sensor. Not what is around. Like a crappy photo is a gorgeous frame. Just my opinion.

[@RouvenKasten]

I got the D Lux 7(109), when it was new, years ago. Now we inly got a new housing like the Q3, but technology is far to old. Better watch out for a Lumix LX 100II and save your money. Dont know what like done here. 😢

[@duncanwallace7760]

I agree it's a good idea, although for myself, an even better idea would be if Panasonic updated my much loved, 'poor man's Leica', the superb GX8!

[@RealCelticGamer]

Tempting, most tempting...

[@joefloriddia]

Hey Hugh, great video! I just wanted to ask, I’m wanting a compact travel camera, with the intention to do wall size prints of the place that I’ve travelled too. Which of the two cameras would you recommend, the FujiFilm X100VI or the Leica D-Lux? I really want to buy the Leica as I love the brand, but not sure if it’s the better option of the two cameras for wall size prints

[@3BMEP]

The X100VI will yield superior results at the same field of view, and they will be noticeable at that size.

[@ozmanoid]

Another super review, Hugh! You have the memory of an elephant and knowledge to share. Both my Contax T2 are looking nervous! (By the way - i love your glasses - look similar to my new Saint Laurent frames - but i really like the nuanced look of yours. Can you tell me what brand they are?)

[@3BMEP]

Oakley! 🖖🏻😊

[@nickalot]

this is the only camera my wife saw, and said "i want to buy that. i'd use it" and she's not even interested in photography. leica clearly knows what they are doing.

[@3BMEP]

GREAT feedback, thanks!

[@stevehageman6785]

That Panny LX100 was an interesting / clever design, but it succumbed to the declining camera market.

[@3BMEP]

Yes. And yet...

[@frankcarenza921]

Hugh, does the D Lux 8 have the true Leica colours?

[@3BMEP]

Really couldn’t tell you, Frank (with apologies): I evaluated it the way I’d use it in real life: converting to B&W.

[@AlexanderBischof]

seems it is a superb compact camera and a perfect companion to my M10-R when I want an easy autofocus small and lightweight camera for familty trips that is easy to use (and not with 20 buttons or so)

[@peterchinchen2394]

Hugh, Pete from the UK. I’m loving the content. I’m sure, like many amateurs I feel I’ve become a slave to the technology and the need to always buy and then upgrade on a regular basis, maybe to the detriment of just actually going out and using any of these amazing tools to capture images. Surely the skill lies with the photographer not the camera.

[@3BMEP]

Yes! 👊🏻💯

[@Sabanet]

What about the Sony rx100? What nobody compare the Sony with the Leica?

[@JasonBetz-k2r]

Amazing video. The pixel peepers won't understand or accept the discussion on joy - it is lost on them and so is this camera which means more for us. What kind of printer/paper did you use to make those gorgeous prints?

[@3BMEP]

Epson Premium Lustre🙂

[@The_Essential_Light]

Unfortunately I don’t consider it a real Leica because of the country of origin…China.

[@3BMEP]

I understand. Our friend Bobby Tonelli's most recent video on the '8 addresses that point. You might want to check it out if you haven't already.

[@The_Essential_Light]

@@3BMEP I just watched his video and now I have a different perspective. Thanks for the recommendation.

[@markbray3038]

Great video I have a D-Lux 7 and I am very happy with it. My Nikon has not got a lookin for years.

[@3BMEP]

Continue to enjoy! 😊🖖🏻

[@focaltrip]

Is that lead lens cap thingey removable the visuals give impression its removable and maybe a standard cap could be used ??

[@3BMEP]

Yes. 😊

[@HPBurstyn]

Please advise me, Hugh. I have a d lux 109 as well as an M10-p and Q2. Do you think the new Leica d lux 8 is a significant upgrade from the 109? I can't really tell. The biggest differences seem to be Dng and Leica fotos access. Please advise if you can. Thank you.

[@3BMEP]

The answer to your question is YOUR answer to THIS question: what is it that you can't do with what you've got that you need or want and CAN do with the '8?

[@HPBurstyn]

@@3BMEPthanks

[@thissidetowardscreen4553]

The review was great. When I saw the announcement for the D-Lux 8, then saw the price I was impressed. I never even looked at Leica due to the cost. I am definitely looking now. I can see where this camera would fit many people's photographic needs. Thanks for sharing!

[@3BMEP]

Glad to be of service. 😊🖖🏻

[@HwL01]

Re-skinned 2018 Panasonic LX100-ii

[@3BMEP]

This is true as far as it goes, as I pointed out. But I suspect that it will be more than that for quite a few folks. Time will tell. :)

[@ANSWERTHECALLOFJESUSCHRIST]

You gotta watch a video before commenting! That's one of the first things Hugh pointed out!

[@HwL01]

@@ANSWERTHECALLOFJESUSCHRIST I did. But I still feel it is just a reskin and not worth that money so I commented.. Just what I felt.

[@henrybeckmeyer8393]

But Leica do have their own, proprietary image processing. The images from the LX100ii and the D-Lux-7 were different in terms of color and contrast. And it doesn't appear like there will be an updated version of the Lumix camera. So this is it.

[@wss327]

Spot on review. Just got the DL8 and ,love it. I shoot A priority and don’t care so much for the zoom, great menu, easy transfer to my phone and just enough for phone, iPad, computer viewing. It’s fit for purpose. Oh, great fill in flash!

[@3BMEP]

Enjoy!

[@Smokej620]

Hugh, 15:16 minutes. I thought the d-lux 8 shutter goes to only 2000 of a second, different than the d-lux-7?

[@3BMEP]

Specs say 1/4000 mechanical. 😊

[@Smokej620]

@@3BMEP the dial goes up to 2000 though,?

[@3BMEP]

Yes.

[@patrickjclarke]

And now, take that Canon S90, with brilliant snap zoom and CCD sensor into DxO DeepPrimeXD and you can shoot cleanly up to its max ISO.

[@peterfritzphoto]

At the risk of sounding like a fanboy, this may well be the only video I’ve ever watched three times (and enjoyed more with each subsequent viewing). No one will ever surpass this. No one.

[@3BMEP]

Peter, we appreciate your enthusiasm - thank you! 🙏🏻 😊🖖🏻

[@orangebetsy]

I know it's not the topic, but this man understands audio too.

[@3BMEP]

😊🖖🏻

[@Scooter-dm3qo]

When did cropping an image cause the aperture of the lens to change? It does not do this. So why are you quoting aperture values that are multiples of the crop factor? BTW, I have a 4x5 inch monorail and can crop those great big negatives to any degree I wish and that negative never changes. The 4/3 format is simply a crop of an image and the aperture is never changed by that cropping. What will change is the observed Depth of Field and that is caused by the higher degree of magnification required to produce a print of a specific size.

[@3BMEP]

Is your last line not consistent with what I said? The light gathering doesn’t change, but the cropping results in a field of view/depth of field equivalent to the values I asserted?

[@andreasbehrens1528]

I've been following you for years. I love your videos. That's really all I can say. Keep up the good work. Best wishes from Germany!

[@3BMEP]

Danke, Andreas!

[@stevegodsell]

Great video. Perhaps wait for a few months until a LUMIX version is announced, the LX100iii maybe?

[@3BMEP]

We shall see, but I expect not. :)

[@Bayonet1809]

If Panasonic were to release an LX100 III it would undoubtedly be technologically driven and equipped with the new 25MP 4/3 sensor. Seeing as this does not have that sensor it seems like more of a sole Leica initiative to give a mild refresh to the D-Lux formula.

[@VariTimo]

I’ve been looking for a compact camera for video since the 7. I tired the 7 but the auto focus wasn’t good enough and the manual focus wasn’t linear so it wasn’t viable for me. Yes Sony’s ZV1 would be great but I have just heard so many things about reliability to not wanna try it. Canon’s GX7 III would be great if it had reliable auto focus or proper manual focus over the ring but it doesn’t. In the end the D-Lux 8 could be made to work if they’d fix the focus and include 1080p 24 frames. Because for a camera like this I really don’t see a point in shooting 4K for casual stuff.

[@lancairdriver]

what camera was used to shoot the photos (at the start of video) of Hugh with the D-Lux 8? those are excellent shots.

[@3BMEP]

Claudia’s Leica SL3 with Sigma 24-70/2.8 II, by @claudiabrownstone, of course! 😊🖖🏻

[@JoeyTecuani]

The SL3 is top tier ​@@3BMEP

[@3BMEP]

@@JoeyTecuaniyep! 😊🖖🏻

[@thierry1491]

Have you tried the Xiaomi Ultra 14?

[@3BMEP]

No