Atomic CLR Neo MKII & Dialling in FRFR Live

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[@csgband]

Just got my CLR Neo and used your tricks. I couldn't be more pleased. Thanks

[@erazmo]

"Be good to everyone." What a nice thought to round it up. :) Thanks for the tips. After 10 years of owning a digital modeller, today I'm going to apply a corrective PA EQ for the first time. To try first a different IR is a great idea.

[@Eventual420]

This video is packed with knowledge. Thank you.

[@tracerocks]

I’ve been using CLRs with Turbosound subs for years. I use them for studio monitors producing my live show. Then I use the same system at gigs and I get perfect translation from studio to live. Of course my AxeFxII sound glorious through this system but so do the vocals, drums and the mix in general. This system sounds fantastic and is loud enough for 300-400 seat venues. I don’t miss hauling around 7 ft PA stacks and hundreds of pounds of power amp racks!

[@LeonTodd]

I'll reiterate - it's nigh on impossible to properly communicate just how loud this thing is in the flesh. Not wearing earplugs was a mistake. Also, my Mesa IR's are here for free - forum.fractalaudio.com/threads/mesa-os-4x12-irs-free.158681/

[@jch5150]

Thank you!!

[@shakeyjonez]

My CLR MkII wasn’t loud enough. Tried every setting multiple times. Sound quality was fantastic with my FM3. Just couldn’t get it loud enough for gigging.

[@SteveKuhMusic]

Rippin' Lips Is your FM3 set to -10 dB or +4? Factory default is -10 for consumer grade gear. Switching to +4 will greatly increase input signal into the CLR. Be sure to re-gain stage the CLR lower so it doesn’t clip. HTH

[@chukrock]

Take care of your ears Leon. I've been gigging for almost 40 years and now I have a big dip at 4kHz. Following conversations in a noisy environment is very difficult and socially isolating. Paradoxically I have an acute sensitivity so much so that I need ear protection to stack the crockery in the kitchen otherwise it's almost painful. Don't be like me.

[@stevensrp2music985]

Hope you’re well. Would those IRs work in the Beebo? Just curious what their format was. Sounds great like always. I love going back and refreshing info learned from older videos if yours. Keep up the great work

[@scottpeters4401]

That sounds amazing...those impedance curves are really cool...My FM3 will be here tomorrow...I cannot wait..

[@Bflatest]

Ive been using a simple ALTO monitor wedge and as long as the house gets a direct feed from me this Alto sounds great for getting some stage vibes cooking

[@michaelrengis6536]

Such a legend man love your playing so inspiring

[@LeonTodd]

Too kind mate!

[@Darthhalitosis]

I have one of these, got it at the same time I got my AX8 years ago. It's a killer piece of kit. I run it on a pole at home to save space :) Sounds great, loud as hell and light and easy to move.

[@LeonTodd]

Absolutely crushes!

[@d-mack7053]

I like the electronic options and physical options on that. Having options let's us become our own players.....Nice!!!

[@LeonTodd]

agreed, the goal should always be expressing ourselves and finding our own sounds!

[@royokinawa]

Great tips. Atomic CLR is on the radar. Right now I combine a Friedman ASC and Headrush 112 for my FM3 (previously AX8). For some reason this combo just sounds fall and open.

[@DigitalViperGaming]

Revisiting this as I just picked up an FM3 a couple of weeks ago and have just been playing through my JBL 305 studio monitors. However, I've been using the non-Neo CLR with modelers for the last few years live. Wes

[@stevenmgyori3826]

Well done and Helpful to many! Thanks for the Demo and Tutorial! Great piece of gear I'm Sure, Not experienced personally So Thanks a Bunch LT! Be Well Brother!

[@LeonTodd]

Basically the world's beefiest studio monitor - quite a treat!

[@JoelDucote]

Thanks for the extremely helpful info!!!

[@jimmccall8030]

Very useful, thanks. Will try changing IRs and impedance curves to accommodate high volumes. Have been modifying the high cut on the para EQ for a while and that helps a lot. I too really like my Neo CLRs w the AXE III.

[@LeonTodd]

It's a great combination! The rig of the future, here today

[@chuckunderwood25]

Started out with a pair of Yamaha HS8's, which I still have and really enjoy. Of course, they only get so loud, so I bought a pair of Atomic CLR Neo MKII's. Like you said, each monitoring system sounds different and needs a little tweaking. I found the clean tones from my presets designed with the HS8's translated beautifully to the CLR's...absolutely breathtaking, especially with piezo pickups. The dirt tones sounded very good as well, but needed a little tweaking, probably because the CLR's have a flatter response than the HS8's. The CLR's when turned up, will definitely thump you in the chest, which is a feeling I will never outgrow...ha!

[@joeymiller847]

i was interested in this , great video

[@hoosierdaddy2308]

Please do more vids on this stuff. Can't wait till Fridays Q and A. Love that show man..

[@LeonTodd]

This week's one is going to be a good'un!

[@hoosierdaddy2308]

@@LeonTodd Can't wait man..

[@wakjob961]

Thanks Leon...you need more subs man.

[@TalleyWacker1000]

I wish the cabinet / covering was more sturdy. It can get dinged very easily. The NEO version is great, very easy to cart around. I'm fine with FRFR but it is still not the "final answer" for my favorite monitoring solution. I use Adam A5's and love them and agree Adam's translate very well for live.

[@RyanAmplification]

Baller.

[@shanewilliams4369]

Been looking forward to this! You're spot on about judging audio via KZbin so I definately want to hear your opinion of how they sound and FEEL. CLRs were unavailable for about 18 months in Oz so I ended up going with 2 x Dynacord AXM 12A at AUD$1300 ea vs AUD$1930 ea for CLR. From reviews of people who have had both, they're very close but haven't heard CLRs myself. Ample volume to melt your face off. I have mine setup as WDW with a Matrix1000 and a Mesa Recto 4x12 cab. It sounds HUGE, especially with stereo effects. Awesome tips for dialing them in on the Axe FX. Will be applying this to my presets. Thanks man for your very practical tips.

[@rickfeith6372]

You....good sir....this is exactly what I'm trying to do right now. GT1000 and Boogie 412. I just wanted to hear from someone with that setup how absolutely amazing it is. I can't even wait. Like it hurts. I'm literally putting everything together in the next couple weeks. NGD times 10!!!

[@rickfeith6372]

Ohh....except Atomic CLRs aren't real. It's just some techie startup shell company with a good post production video team. Smoke and mirrors and....it's gone

[@brandonproctor3639]

I swear you're a genius when it comes to these things Leon. Awesome video

[@jch5150]

Exactly the video I hoped you would do...FRFR and live presets. Do you adjust any of the global I/O out 1 and out 2 frequencies? Thanks Leon!!!!

[@gitarman666]

Are my Genelec monitors not flat enough to give me accurate modeling tone (and in stereo) in the studio Or are these mainly for live use? Or do you mic a frfr For recording? because that seems like the irs will be altered

[@_Suzuka_Joe]

Curious using something like this VS my Yamaha HS7's i've been using. I've got a Ax8 and I run through a pair of HS7's. sounds great and I only play in my spare room but they don't "fill the room" like a FRFR might if I play loud, seems the tonality changes when I turn the AX8 up

[@patrickmoore3672]

How do you keep an FRFR from sounding boxy? I have tried many different solutions including the Laney LFR-212, the Headrush, the Friedman and all they all sound boxy and I just go back to using a power amp and a real cab.

[@jackmeginniss6327]

That was a very intriguing video, but it elicits questions. What monitoring system do you use live? Considering that FAS devices have stereo outs, do you use two monitors? Thanks.

[@GSXR1k600RR]

What is the best LOW volume stereo amp setup for modeler home use with guitar cabinets? My monitors just don’t cut it for the feel (and they r very good ones)

[@hoosierdaddy2308]

Leon. Brother. Skull crushing volume made me laugh.. On my phone here it sounds great. I personally trust you if you say something sounds good brother. You are the king of tone to me and have a knowledge of modeling, amps, pedals, etc that is hard to beat. When I first started playing back when the dinasours were humping in the night 😜😂 it was guitar, cable, to distortion pedal at most and maybe a wah and amp. Volume knob was how you changed channels. It was very limiting and you couldn't get so many tones as you can today. Today with a good modeler you can play any style of music and make it sound like the original recording and do so at less than ear bleeding levels, and still get the sustain and harmonics you need, which is much of the feel... Doesn't the same company make a smaller version of the same? Great review sir.

[@LeonTodd]

The things I do for content! My ears kinda hurt as this was LOUD.

[@hoosierdaddy2308]

@@LeonTodd It actually sounded much louder via my speakers..lol

[@ernestobenschop6087]

Awesome tips as always Leon!, i would love to see a video on how you would approach to dial in a older effects modeller, lets say the BOSS gt100, no third party IR loading possible, no external IR available, you just work with what you get, that would be interesting :D , cheers \m/

[@LeonTodd]

Now that's a challenge! Might have to bust out the Pocket POD.

[@ExpatZ266]

Sadly it doesn't really translate well, but awesome video. I love using tube preamps with PA/cabinet emulation and FRFR, gets rid of the iron and magnets but leaves the tubey gooey goodness. :) Fijn nieuwjaar!

[@findingredcloud]

Your opinion on the good 'sustain / cool feedback' of these monitors?

[@rondroider8904]

how would you place an frfr headrush on a live setting. if I place the headrush frfr just as you would a stage floor monitor, would the sound be enough for the audience to hear? Or should I place the speaker facing the audience? My band is into heavy stuffs. This frfr thing is new to me and just wanted to try this one out on stage. Any answers would really help. thank you

[@JeffHendricks]

A tip for you guys wanting to get a decent modeling monitor solution, and not break the bank: You can pick up a 90's solid-state stereo chorus amp (Peavey, Fender, Roland, etc.) for a couple hundred bucks. They're around 100-130 watts, plenty loud enough, and even though they're not a perfectly flat FRFR, the speakers in them are much flatter sounding than a regular guitar amp.

[@richardputman3506]

Leon, if you do try the CLR against other amps or other FRFRs, then you might be interested to also try the L6 PowerCab+. I really like mine. Interestingly, though, I primarily use mine in just FRFR mode. It's got a great guitar cab/amp-in-the-room feel, and can get very loud. I am curious about your unique take. NOTE: You have set the modeler output high enough to 'tickle the red' on the input indicator on the PowerCab for it to sound the best. All the best from TX.

[@pwrmac7600]

I didn't look through all the responses, BUT how would you say playing through the CLR compares to playing through your 4X12? same response? same feel?

[@rich6244]

Thanks Leon for another great video....We started to play as a band again, and I just got my AXE FX3 and Atomic 500W wedge....Third time playing live with it....I love it ....but I did notice this last time playing with the band that it started to get over driven it seems....and my peak volume was diminished....like at lower volumes at my home studio....We have a loud drummer, so I had to complete, but felt without using the volume pedal in most cases, I was not heard well, and I was 3/4 full on Master and same on input 1....Question: Would elevating it on a Pole help.say 24 inches off the ground, also, should I be running the volume on the Speaker at full, and adjust the (1) output on the FX3...Please let me know your thoughts.....thanks, and I know with some tweaking I can get this to work as my permanent rig. I also have a Marshal Jubilee 2553 with a 2x12 that I was wondering if that might be better using the effects loop....any help would be appreciated....R

[@LeonTodd]

If you absolutely need to level buildings, running into the jubilee fx return and a cab will be amazing :)

[@BandaVelhosNovos]

Great tips! It is a different world, but when you get the way of tweaking (like you describe), you ll get a great sound in the room with frfr.

[@johnford1481]

Question- does the tweaker make a constant hiss? I had the Friedman ASM12 and there was a constant hiss - not a big deal in rehearsals but annoying when practicing at home. I really like the sound of these wedges but want to know it’s not gonna keep hissing at me!

[@paulbaglio6295]

I've owned 2 since 2014... 👍🏻

[@Max-The-Axe]

How are the headrush models? I’m looking to dial up some gigging tones but I won’t be actually playing through the FRFR wedge live.

[@JohnRobbfl]

I've been using a CLR NEO for years and it can easily compete with a 4X12 on stage and once you get familiar with how to dial-in presets it's very impressive. But yes 🤜💀🤛

[@LeonTodd]

I was pleasantly surprised with how beefy it is!

[@christopherbenedetto]

Thank you for the tips. Very valuable and solid concepts. I'm running Mooer GE250 right now mostly thru FOH and wedge monitors, but am considering an FRFR (the Headrush is fine size for me). Question: where do you place the FRFR on stage? Behind you facing audience? Or in front of you facing you at the front of stage?

[@rickfeith6372]

Why hmmmmyessss

[@rickfeith6372]

Place it where it need to be. If it point at your face, you hear it. If it point out to crowd, they hear it. YMMV

[@HumbleHeartMinistry]

Would you or have you done a review on the Fender Tone Master FR-12?

[@glennw9927]

Has anyone tried/reviewed the Mission iO (1x12) yet? I run the my fx3 into studio monitors mainly for home/hobby use. I’m looking to upgrade.

[@rickfeith6372]

I've been scoping the CLR wedges for 4 or 5 years. I've heard nothing but stellar reviews...and everyone says they are good enough to be studio monitors, with full band volume...and they double as a sick jukebox at a party . Pro tip:. Get two and experience STEREO insanity

[@LeonTodd]

For when you have to absolutely nail that keg party!

[@lukather1]

Using as studio monitors ace 👍

[@d.a.t.4699]

thx for sharing your knowledge L.T., im wondering about when i take the xlrs out of my atomic to the mixer board...do i just grab two channels, or is there a cleaner way to connect to the front of house? if it;s just a matter of plugging the xlrs into two channels on the front board, what do i do with the gain and eqing on the channels...everything at 12noon?

[@LeonTodd]

If you're in stereo that works great, just pan the channels at the desk

[@d.a.t.4699]

Thanks L.T. so ive picked up the fm3 now...we r running a stereo p.a. system...the channel strips have a stereo or mono button by the slider volumes...since im going to 2 channels on the board for my right and left, do i still pan them and should the channels strip buttons be set to mono since its an individual right and left?.

[@TheloniusJ]

Man, you really have become my go-to dude for all things FM3. I really appreciate these videos. I just got my FM3 (first Fractal product) and am enjoying tremendously. For one of the bands I play in (fusion jazz), we go direct to the board and the sounds seems fantastic. I play in another one (80s metal) where we typically go old-school with amps, so I have a pair of Headrush 108s I'm going to try to make work. On my first test, I had the whole "ice pick" experience, so I think your suggestions are going to be gold. I'll work with it next time my wife is out of the house (we play LOUD). :) Also for the record, I built my presets for the metal band with your Friedmania set as a starting point, so thanks for that one also.

[@LeonTodd]

That's so cool to hear man!

[@chriswalsh4203]

Is this speaker more powerful than the Headrush 2000W 8" ?

[@paulzsmith]

Love this! Leon, do you have experience playing the FM3 thru a Mission Gemini 2? I’ve heard nothing but great things about the atomic, but I really like the idea of having the stereo option in one cab.

[@alvarofelipe_sepu]

I don't know if he still have the gemini, but he did a video using a Ax8 thru a Mission Gemini 2. Its, like always, a very useful video. kzbin.info/www/bejne/r5Oonoeoe86Zo9E

[@LeonTodd]

I borrowed one a while back, cool cab that seems to hit the spot for people who want more of that "amp in the room" thing. The CLR is more about accurate representation of what you put in, just very loud.

[@outzie6182]

I don't have an axe fx so I don't know if this could be useful, but maybe try using a mutliband compressor to try clamping down on the high end with transients but letting the high end in when the notes are ringing out. Could be something to play with

[@LeonTodd]

This feels like a great topic for another vid. I know your background is in sound design, so do you have any good ideas on frequency bands to start with for guitar?

[@outzie6182]

@@LeonTodd I've always found that 3-5k have this annoying quality, and at about 7-10k range is the more painful rather than annoying. I'm not sure how thin the bands get in the axe fx, so best of luck with that

[@jimmccall8030]

Leon Todd Yes, please explore this for us. I need help with reducing some “rice crispy” frequencies

[@seventhsealhere]

I think a video focusing on a guitar mix with a recto model (or similar) and how to use transient freq dampening and EQing with either plugins or FM3 edit 👍

[@stevegough9798]

I've had the CLR for 3 years and its great with my Pod Go at low to medium volume levels (rehearsals etc) in many years gone by I've always had my valve amp on the floor behind me and cranked. I'm guessing Leon here has his wedge in front of him hence lower levels. I'm told the Friedman FRFR is less harsh than the CLR. Seems i'm going back to my Friedman Smallbox 50 and 2x12 cab. Love to hear your thoughts guys?

[@DrRussPhd]

I have the Friedman ASM 12 FRFR cabs and some of my Fractal FM3 models sound like they have a blanket over them. It is hard to brighten them up without major tweaking. The ASM's sounded OK with my Kemper but still darker than I would like. So it goes . . . CooperCarter has a video on getting more of an "amp in the room" sound from the Fractal units and it helps a bit.

[@jamesryder9158]

Any chance of you doing a demo of the Laney LFR 4x12 active cab?

[@MikeSalopek]

I have been looking and looking for a way to capture and reproduce that authentic tube amp experience on playing through a modeler. I have an ace effects III, currently my FRFR speakers are 2 headrush 12" running in stereo. I have had no clue how to capture that sound like when I'm playing through my actual Mesa Mark v. This definitely gives me something to chew on and play with later. Do you have the mesa IRs you made up on axe exchange?

[@LeonTodd]

The IR's are here - forum.fractalaudio.com/threads/mesa-os-4x12-irs-free.158681/ Far field IR's are worth looking into as well, but ultimately if you like playing through a guitar cab you're best off getting a power amp and running the Axe straight into a guitar cab. Sounds epic!

[@MikeSalopek]

@@LeonTodd I love your videos man you never steer us wrong... would you by any chance have a recommendation on a power amp I could use with my meds 8ohm cab? It's only a 2x12.

[@lukather1]

CLR are a step up

[@motoman963]

Can I use my Kemper kone powered speaker with a fractal ax8 ??

[@constantinosmavroyannis9409]

The CLR seems a great wedge albeit being a bit pricey. Do you think it's a better choice for live monitoring to use in-ears or a wedge like that? Also, have you tried the Amplifire with it?

[@LeonTodd]

Up until shutdown I was using ears while also getting a feed from the venue's on stage monitors to move a little air which feels a bit more comfortable on stage. A decent wireless IEM rig is going to cost a similar amount to one of these so it basically comes down to preference IMO.

[@constantinosmavroyannis9409]

@@LeonTodd sounds awsome though even through youtube. seems like it's delivering exactly what the FM3 is giving. now that you got it do you see yourself using it live for main monitoring or to replace the venue's wedges you needed to move the air on stage? also how does it fare delivering pseudo "stereo" with a chorus or sth like that?

[@SteveKuhMusic]

Leon. When using the CLR live as a monitor do you run the FM3 into the CLR and then run the CLR’s link output to FOH?

[@LeonTodd]

I run out 2 to the CLR and out 1 to FOH

[@SteveKuhMusic]

Leon Todd This May be a silly question but can you mic the CLR? I ask because a few sound guys I’ve come across don’t like direct outs and want to mic any cab they find.

[@saltydog8913]

Will this feed back like a real amp?

[@peterschaefer1665]

Is there not a global basic eq in the fm9? It seems to me that if you spend a ton of time tweeking to your studio monitors, you want an easy transition to what ever you want to use with it in a live situation without altering your presets.

[@loyolaschool]

Is there a point on using two CLRs on stage with a stereo ? Or it’s it too complicated setup for stage ?

[@jacobmoline]

How does it compare to the mission engineering gemini 2? If I remember right, that's what you use live, correct?

[@LeonTodd]

I borrowed a Gemini a while back and did a demo but I don't use it live. We use an IEM system with the band.

[@davidmurray9193]

Silly out of the way question, I'm lucked out on space, and I have hercules wall mount brackets and have run out of space for my other guitars, I notice your guitar rack gets more guitars on (cool) what type wall is that racking mount going in to? Brick wall or plaster board? My walls are plaster board and wondering if and how weight would be on my wall? Do not want to drop any of my lovelies

[@LeonTodd]

Brick here

[@davidmurray9193]

@@LeonTodd thought so, that idea is out for me, thanks for reply 🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘

[@drbonkerssoundlabllc]

How do the CLRs perform with bass guitar? I would love to see a video on that. I kind of need an FRFR solution where I can switch between bass and guitar without launching speakers into orbit, especially when developing dual use presets for both instruments.

[@stumblingfreevideo]

Following!

[@LeonTodd]

Ok this I have to investigate properly

[@atech9020]

In theory, the unit itself should not care either way. After all, it is just reproducing sound. Where it may have an issue is in how low it can go vs the volume you expect to use. Most 12" speakers in a full-range configuration ( the Atomic CLR is just a PA speaker marketed for guitar FRFR use ) are only capable of reproducing usable output down to 50-60hz at best. This is not exactly all that low when you consider a standard four-string bass's root note is around 40hz. If you use a 5 string bass the low B string is 30hz. So the root note of a bass guitar is lower than the typical 12" speaker in a PA configuration is able to reproduce. It isn't so much that the speaker won't produce 40hz, it just won't be able to reproduce it at the level you want for very long. Bass cabinets are tuned to be more efficient at lower frequencies at the expense of high-frequency linearity and output. A PA speaker ( FRFR if you're into the marketing term used for the example we have here ) is designed to produce as linear a frequency response as it can over a broad range of frequencies. The limitation is its ability to reproduce frequencies much below about 50hz. The speaker has to be tuned in order to make the most advantage of its cabinet volume, be linear, and have high SPL ( Sound Pressure Level, or volume ). Most typical PA speakers are designed to work with subwoofers in order to reproduce the rest of the desired frequency spectrum. There is a phenomenon that occurs when a speaker is placed on the floor such as the case with most monitoring situations. The floor acts as a boundary that as far as the speaker is concerned is infinite. This means that frequencies the speakers reproduce that are not directional will bounce off the floor and couple with the direct sound of the speaker. The speaker has a polar pattern or nominal coverage that it has. Typical speakers are omnidirectional from about 500hz and below. All this means is that frequencies from about 500hz and below are uncontrolled by the speaker in terms of directionality and the floor will bounce those frequencies back up and couple or combine with the direct sound that comes of the speaker's cone and horn. This is why there are different setting the back of the speaker to accommodate the different setup positions it may be used in. It changes the EQ response of the speaker to work best for that use. When on the floor the speaker will have a +6db boost in pretty much all frequencies below about 500hz, so the monitor setting on the speaker is likely reducing low-frequency output in order to even out the frequency response. Reproducing low-frequency output is a hard task for any speaker not designed specifically for that task. This is why even having the coupling effect of the floor will not help too much, although it can be utilized. So the short answer to your question is YES you can most certainly use the Atomic CLR for your bass guitar, but you will have to live with the compromise of not having it be as loud as you may like and not going as low as you may like either. The low E of a standard tuned guitar is around 80hz, perfect for a standard PA speaker to reproduce with great efficiency. Even a guitar with drop C tuning can get away with it because the low-end output will want to be balanced with the high-frequency output it would have, so it balances out quite well since guitars don't need much output below about 80hz anyway to balance well in a mix regardless of tuning. I am not sure how guitarists have not caught on yet that these FRFR marketed speakers are simply PA speakers marketed towards guitarists. Headrush's FRFR speaker is sold by another company ( Alto Trusonic ) as a PA speaker, a cheap one at that, and is identical in every way sans the name and marketing. The Atomic CLR is nothing more than an OEM PA speaker setup stuffed into a cabinet that suits most guitarists. You could go buy a Mackie, Alto, JBL, EV, or QSC speaker and have essentially the same thing. Why is find it disturbing is that most of these FRFR speakers are being sold at a higher dollar amount than most speakers that are far superior to them. The Atomic CLR is selling for basically $1,000 us dollars!!!!! You can buy a JBL SRX 812sp for that much and I can guarantee the JBL would absolutely obliterate the Atomic in every way. The JBL has a 20 band parametric EQ, networking control via an app is you desire, has almost 3 times the wattage, and an extra 6db in output that goes down to 50hz ( the CLR is only rated to 70hz. ). An Electro-Voice in just about any of its model lines will outperform the CLR at around HALF the cost. The Headrush FRFR-112 is sold for $320 while the EXACT same speaker, the Alto TS312 is sold for $250!!!! So yeah, I am not keen on Atomic, and a couple of the other guitar companies practicing what I consider bad business practices. Friedman is another one of them..... Most of these things are $300 or less OEM units in a pretty box with a name on it. Anyway, I hope all is well and take care all.

[@nagualnazgul3101]

@@atech9020 do you think a PA active speaker with 15" cone (or two of them in stereo) would be a better solution for a loop station that have to reproduce bass, electric guitar and drum machine?

[@atech9020]

@@nagualnazgul3101 15" model speakers do reproduce a little more low-end content, but not so much that it makes it go from no good to perfect. It takes it from no good to better, or just enough perhaps. 15" speakers tend to be good down to around 40hz, which for most people is just enough. The way to look at it is fundamental frequency vs speakers usable frequency range. If your root, fundamental note is 30hz and you MUST have an equal output of that note vs that of your high e, then you need a speaker that has usable output down to 30hz. There is no 12" or 15" model speaker that any normal human can afford that I know of that will do that. If you want sub 40hz performance you MUST have a subwoofer or some other speaker specifically tunned to work in that range. Most 15" subwoofers don't get much below about 35-40hz. All that means is that you will still have to compromise. Getting a 15" powered speaker will give you more bass output compared to a 12", but that bass output is shared among everything it reproduces. This brings us back to headroom which I sort of talked about before in my last post. A speaker can only put out so much before it runs out of headroom and then it will start to clip, distort, and not get any louder. As you can imagine, if you treat output like a $100 bill, everything that you put into that speaker eats a portion of that $100 bill. The less things you try and reproduce the more of that $100 bill you have to spend on any one thing. I.E. if you only play the bass guitar through it, you would be able to make it a little bit louder than if you were trying to play the drums, guitar, and the bass guitar through it. The drums and guitar eat up available headroom, dragging the potential volume for any single one of them down. Adding a second speaker is a double-edged sword. It seems to give more SPL and in fact is does if you are directly between them. Where the speakers can couple they will be +3db louder. The issue is that they can only couple where the listener is equidistant from both speakers. That is a very small number of people if you think about it. Anywhere that you listen from that you are not equidistant from the speakers will have destructive interference known as comb filtering. Using two speakers IS NOT a solution to increasing volume and should only be used as a method to increase coverage or get the sound source closer to the desired audience. I mentioned a speaker's nominal coverage in my last post, that nominal coverage means that certain frequencies have a fairly defined area in which they will be evenly distributed. So it is desirable to have the speakers pointed at the audience and use more speakers to increase the area in which the audience can be in the nominal coverage of the speakers. The compromise for added coverage is comb filtering. I hope this helps answer your question.

[@outzie6182]

If you get over 48db/oct cuts you might run into resonance issues. I'd say 36db/Oct is a good amount of cut with guitars

[@LeonTodd]

I suspect that's one reason Cliff probably limited them to 36.

[@SharpEdgeStandardOfficial]

Leon, others have said, as did you in this video, tones "translating well over different systems" type of phrase, but I assume you're talking about same output levels right? I mean, physics are physics so a "real" cab will sound different at high vs low volume and the same goes for FRFR cabs, physics still have a major role in regards to sound/tone at different volume levels, and that cannot be ignored unless you're Beethoven. You agree??

[@Bking7string]

I use a pair of headrush frfr cabs with my axe3, they're 2000w a piece. They sound so damn good.

[@lukather1]

I’ve had the headrush - good but no where near the CLRs flatter and more precise more defined but for price rush are ok

[@1972Georges]

they sound terrbile. sorry

[@coltonross2227]

My HeadRush 112 was nothing but bass and harsh highs when using my THR30 with it

[@NudnikShpilkus]

3:52 LOL @ room mic description.... :D

[@NudnikShpilkus]

5:39 - clip that input!

[@NudnikShpilkus]

7:40 - love those EVs for de-fizzing stuff.

[@NudnikShpilkus]

14:50 - gotta get off my butt and shoot the Weber 2x10 with Alnico 10V speakers. It has ridiculous thump for a cab with 10s, and they aren't even really broken in and loosened up....

[@NudnikShpilkus]

Need to add PEQ in my presets.

[@nzguitar007]

Hey Leon this or the mission?

[@Eterza]

4:29 Obviously the volume control in this case is used to release hounds from hell and other malevolent creatures ....

[@MrMariodraiby1]

I dont need a poweramp and preamp in that case right?

[@brandonproctor3639]

No bc the speaker is active

[@LeonTodd]

Powered speaker - plug it in and let it rip

[@kevinbolton5]

@@LeonTodd Is it good at lower bedroom volumes or am I better off with headphones or another alternative?

[@rickfeith6372]

E'llo again Leon & Friends. Not sure of anyone else's experience as of late, but I've been on the waiting list... on two different email addresses so I could be sure to be able to get a pair for *Stereo Insanity* ...except I'm going full W/D/W with a 412 Boogie cab in the middle. Anyway....been "on the list" for almost a year?? Do I have to blow the owner or something? Are my papers not in order? Leon, you have no clue how unobtainable these things actually are. I'm convinced they only exist in pictures and videos. There is no real world version you can pick up and put down to work out your front legs. It's a myth...just like Wunterslausch and Jell-O It's all just Photoshop and After Effects folks, it's nothing new. Mighty fine job in post Leo, it absolutely looked like you had a giant wedge shaped box in your crotch. Damn you Adobe, you made it so I can't trust a single thing unless I'm standing right next to it, and even then it only counts if I can smell it too. This is a world of lies and betrayal. Seriously Atomic....EIGHT FUCKING YEARS OF CLRs and *YOU STILL CAN'T EVEN GET EM FOR OVER A YEAR???*. How do you guys keep the freaking lights on? OHH...you don't....I see. You're just pretending again. I member when you pretendered with the Amplifire. Good times guys. Why are you not making these things in your sleep by now, and making the hundreds of thousands of dollars you're losing by making people wait? Broken loop.....I think they call that a roundabout or something

[@dantahoua]

Like to see you ears are like mine, do not like upper mid and harsh sound!

[@LeonTodd]

The human ear is super sensitive to those frequencies, so high volume can get nasty!

[@guyx6x]

I'm sending output 1 to front off which is fine. But output 2 through a FRFR cab isn't loud enough on stage. Any ideas ?

[@JavierPwns]

Raise the level for output 2

[@JavierPwns]

You never did get around to comparing the CLR to real cabs did you?

[@salahbaker4089]

Funny..I have the ORIGINAL FRFR rockman xpr stack...

[@Tru_Gamer]

Bro I love what I've heard from the CLR, I've been lookin into FRFRs and the CLR is top dog ATM! IMO though you should work on your tones in this video because they really don't do the CLR justice it deserves compared to other videos of people using the AXFX II I've heard some seriously SICK tones!

[@SharpEdgeStandardOfficial]

FRFR blows. Tried the Mission Gemini2 thing was a total joke. Sent me another, same crap!!!

[@TrumpetsInMy4x12]

The CLR will rip your face off \m/

[@LeonTodd]

The SY-1000 is brutal through it!

[@kevinfox8920]

Probably wouldn’t have been a bad idea to just throw a 57 or some kind of cab mic in front of it to give us an idea rather than a room mic.

[@LeonTodd]

If I had a flat reference mic that would have been ideal, but alas every method is as flawed as the other here.

[@kevinfox8920]

Leon Todd yeah I know and that’s why your statement you made rings so true. It’s hard to show an accurate sound of a monitor on a KZbin platform. The only real way to see if it sounds is to play through it. Still liked you’re demo of it and it probably does sound kick ass. 🤘🏻

[@michaelgarcia2050]

If you're thinking of just using the stage wedges to monitor your modeler, don't. It sounds terrible.

[@rseccull1]

smellavision! lol

[@kellyseeman741]

I have to play with someone using a helix along with 2 head rush 12 in monitors. I play bass and the low end coming out of his rig covers up my bass, the mids and highs have no definition and tend to distort everything . I've complained about his tone forever. The whole tone is shit . I would much rather hear a real Marshall with boss effects in front of it any day ! The more you turn the volume the better it sounds. It seem the louder the helix gets the more you want to hit he door.

[@wesd3370]

I feel like I don't need to hear it... I can tell it sounds good by his stanky guitar face.

[@LeonTodd]

You understand me too well