Lepage Wax-Bullet Dueling Pistols

[@SnowmanTF2]

Wax Dueling, practically doubles the odds of having a repeat customer

[@737215]

I actually laughed out loud 😄 ty

[@junlee3515]

Is this a joke about BDSM?

[@mindwideopen2579]

@@junlee3515 well if it wasn't, it is now.

[@IgorDz]

I didn't get it, but I gave you a like and hope someone can elaborate

[@ls200076]

@@IgorDz no

[@fludblud]

8:02 when you realise assholes were freezing their wax balls 117 years ago just like they freeze their paintballs today

[@alexm566]

the biggest take away I got from this channel is how smart people were in the old times

[@filmandfirearms]

@@alexm566 We've pretty much always known the concepts, it's just that now, we have the technology to actually try those concepts. A British officer is on record proposing an IFV to the letter in the 1920s. It just took until 1956 for anyone to actually make it work, and the PT-76 was pretty shit, hence why it was so quickly replaced

[@SwampyMusic]

Funny thing is, id imagine to afford this sport and a freezer was high times back then.

[@TheObeyMayhem]

@@alexm566 yea, you had to be smart when saying the wrong thing could result in death. People today are too comfortable with being assholes and then being protected by the law so being an asshole becomes the norm.

[@tehpurplepills]

dont let alec baldwin near these, he'd freeze a molten slug of lead to put in there.

[@CThyran]

Ye olde paintball gun.

[@SinaelDOverom]

Paints yer skin blue (if you forgot to put yer thick coat on)

[@machintelligence]

Paint ball pistols at dawn. Name your second.

[@zyriab5797]

Sento Is Besto Votre ancien pistolet de boules de peintures.

[@BrassCatcher]

Back when real men played paintball

[@joshuahmitchell873]

Ye olde paintball gun indeed my good sir

[@TheRogueWolf]

When the wax-bullet dueling pistol has better sights than many contemporary "serious" sidearms.

[@Wolvenworks]

dueling pistols are generally more custom than mass produced, IIRC

[@nicholasevans9627]

*Cough*, Ruger *cough*, and S&W *cough*.

[@SilvaDreams]

Oddly enough dueling pistols never had sights, so it's weird to see them have any.

[@daemonwulfe]

My Rugers and S&W have never failed me. Only complaint I've had with my S&W Sigma is the 12lb pull on the trigger.

[@skepticmoderate5790]

Contemporary means that it shares a time period with the dueling pistols. I think the word you are looking for is modern.

[@josephhooton7781]

Now i really want to see Ian and Karl having a pistol duel on inrange with these things

[@Chrinik]

Reminds me of when someone took his actual Mauser rifle and loaded the case with just a primer and an 8mm airsoft BB, the video of him shooting it at the range for testing of accuracy and energy had a lot of confused shooters looking at this "silent" Mauser...

[@magoid]

This kit is missing something. Where is the pair of gloves to slap your opponent in the face before the duel?

[@alfatazer_8991]

It should have one leather glove and one metal gauntlet. The leather to challenge your opponent and the gauntlet to accept an opponent's challenge. Kudos if you get the reference

[@joebuddy7717]

+usaid alfatih Monty Phyton?

[@alfatazer_8991]

Joe Buddy Robin Hood: Men in Tights

[@brianyoung3324]

But this isn't for real, so the gloves have to be well-padded

[@feraligatorade99]

+usaid alfatih Robin Hood: Men in tights?

[@zombiegandhi8405]

If you and Karl don't dress up in French nobility outfits, with all the frills, and wigs, and face paint, and have a wax bullet duel....I will forever be saddened.

[@Piotwor]

I think you're confusing time periods.

[@zombiegandhi8405]

I'm not. I just really want to see it.

[@ajsmotolife5641]

You beat me to this comment. Hopefully they do this instead of the 2 gun shooting match thing.

[@michaelwright8978]

Or they could go the colonial route and get some outfits from Townsends to reenact the Hamilton Burr duel.

[@jamesliu8095]

@Fred Smith to recreate the original duels

[@BadlanderOutsider]

Duelling needs to come back into vogue as a sport.

[@liquidminds]

you know how it is... "guns for fun" is "playing war". While Boxing, Archery and Fencing are respectable sports. We'll probably have to wait for phasers or some other sci-fi weapon before regular guns can be enjoyed...

[@BIIGtony]

Both airsoft and paintball are kinda in vogue. Most of them focus on team matches probably because dulling can get dull fairly quickly. "dueling" with swords however is still fairly popular. I think that going to actual gun powder for dulling would be a step back. Even though it's pretty darn cool.

[@KuraIthys]

Well, I don't know about that. I've only ever lived in countries with very strict gun controls, but paintball and laser tag are nonetheless very popular. Granted neither tend to be recognised as sports, but in terms of general popularity both of those individually seem more popular than say Archery or Fencing are... I'd say Archery around here is surprisingly similar in rarity to going to a gun range. (yes, in spite of the very strict laws, you can still find gun ranges here...) It really depends on how and where you're looking I guess...

[@evandaire1449]

WalkingOnSunshineMan it was in 1918. But they swapped the wax handguns for Maxims. The Germans, ottomans, and Austro Hungarians took 4th. The Russians took 3rd. Italy took the silver and US France and Britain took the gold.

[@dbergerac9632]

Maine repealed their anti-dueling law. Of course if you passed a law that actually WORKED, the legislature would eventually repeal it.

[@survivalcomms]

Popular mechanics ran an article titled " Blast away indoors with wax bullets" many years ago. This article outlined modification of .38 special cases to accept a 209 primer and using cookie cutter style wadcutter projectiles of paraffin . We made extensive use of such for indoor target shooting as kids. Never tried them force on force however. Thanks for sharing !

[@tehgreatvak]

from the first inflation calculator I found online, 5.50 francs would translate to about 21 euros today (so uh like $25), which is honestly entirely reasonable, and at that price I'd duel all day long.

[@Halinspark]

tehgreatvak Not including the cost of getting some cartridges, that's like 25 cents a shot. Thinking about it that way, you can't tell me paying 50 cents each time you and a friend shoot each other isn't a pretty good deal.

[@tehgreatvak]

yeah you would believe how expensive it was last time I shot a friend (RIP in peace Mike, you're dueling with angels now)

[@metamorphicorder]

Keeping in mind it would be even cheaper after initial imvestment. The gun of course would be the biggest chunk of change. But you get however many shells you want to be able to do up before your duel and a decent pile of primers. You can buy wax cheap in bulk and cast it in an appropriate die and make your own slugs all day. If we werent so hyper cautious and safety minded now, we could deffinitely do this with almost any revolver caliber. Special shells of a caliber size lengthend to give proper headspacing for the forcing cone and a simple set of wax dies to cast a specially sized ball that fits in the shell flush and this could be a new business. You could even do conical bullets instead of balls. A hard brittle high melting temp wax could be made so that it wouldnt need to be kept cool.

[@birddog9708]

So six months wages then yeah really cheap lol

[@Asghaad]

@@birddog9708 he calculated it with inflation ... meaning calculated for CURRENT economy ...

[@samuel_excels]

This form of dueling was a demonstration sport at the 1908 Olympics. It's a shame it never caught on.

[@thomasrussell4674]

Wow

[@thomasrussell4674]

And yet fencing survived

[@smitty7711]

Dueling at the next Olympics, it might actually make the Olympics worth watching.

[@samuelbean9928]

It would only be an interesting event if they used real ammo

[@russellhawkins366]

smitty7711 The Olympics is always worth watching but bringing it in as a discipline would be great. Sure its barbarous if done with live rounds from a firearm designed to kill but it’s turning it into a western martial art. Plus it trains focus, learning, skill, awareness, good shooting practice - they could possibly cram it into the Pentathlon, in the shooting section, which awards points for how far a contender gets up the rankings. As pentathlon tells a story of battlefield skills and talents in days of yore it seems perfectly reasonable to have such an event, as it demonstrates appreciation and remembrance of our past and just how far we have come. All those who didn’t win instead of getting medals would be dead from duelling. It did a wonderful job of demonstrating how effective duelling was at slaughtering people - much like kendo completions with bokkens, only with simulated firearm practice pieces, they probably did much good in showing mothers how deadly such activities like duelling were and helped to get it banned..... it’s easy to show that Everyone but the winner is effectively wounded or dead. And it’s not over many duels that the odds of surviving are minimal. .. "Between 1798 and the Civil War, the US Navy lost two-thirds as many officers to dueling as it did in combat at sea, including naval hero Stephen Decatur. Many of those killed or wounded were midshipmen or junior officers. ... By about 1770, the duel underwent a number of important changes in England.....”

[@ichdissdich98]

There Is only one way to have the Olympic Games: in Athen and everyone is naked and oiled up just like in the old days

[@Scarabswarm]

"Dueling at the next Olympics" Y'all know that Fencing is a thing right? The sport developed from centuries of people duelling with swords?

[@user-gu1hl2kx2k]

i watch gymnastics. little girls n sheit

[@michiganmafia]

At first I thought the metal shields on the guns were separate "nut cups" to protect their family jewels lmao

[@Zorglub1966]

Les bijoux de famille :D

[@KarlBunker]

Love the "You'll shoot your eye out, kid!" references.

[@forrestl5597]

love hate

[@niklasklasen8048]

I wish you could get BB guns here in Germany. You need a license for those over here

[@H0T5H0TJ0N]

@@niklasklasen8048 Really? What makes it require a permit? In America we don't need permits to own bb, pellet, paintball, or airsoft weapons. You can even buy and use paint and airsoft grenades that explode to deliver the airsoft bb or paint.

[@H0T5H0TJ0N]

@@niklasklasen8048 Even people who commit felony crimes can own airsoft, paintball, and bb weapons. They aren't required to color them different or have clear plastic in my state. Just need an orange mock flash hider or barrel end cap, and vague markings somewhere to indicate its caliber and that it is a toy. (Felony is our highest level of crime, which strips individuals of certain privileges such as owning firearms)

[@extrastuff9463]

@@niklasklasen8048 I seem to recall the restriction was up to 7.5J was okay for people 18 year or older to buy without a permit (similar to UK non-FAC ones), many actual bb guns probably are likely to fall in that category as well. It's been a while since reading up on it though, my country just across the border from your place hasn't put strict rules on air powered things yet and German rules don't really matter for me. At least not the muzzle energy aspect, there are some rules about "looking too much like normal firearms" but it doesn't get in the way of the segment I'm interested in so far. Funnily enough though apparently the FX Airguns arrow shooting contraptions seem to not be an issue in Germany regardless of potential velocity/power (barrel can't actually shoot a projectile, hollow shaft goes over it compressed air pushes it off the barrel).

[@moiseman]

Duels weren't illegal but in 1903 a law was voted stating that killing someone during a duel could be punished by death. Which could give some context as to why they made those pistols in 1905.

[@skepticalbadger]

moiseman I don't know about the US, but duelling absolutely was illegal in Europe.

[@moiseman]

No you're wrong. I was obviously talking about France but duels were legal in many other European countries. To even assume every country in Europe had the same laws about duels at the same period is pretty silly to begin with.

[@kargaist]

moiseman duelling may have been something you got away with, but killing someone in a duell was illegal (although in many cases not procecuted with much zeal) in much of europe for hundreds of years. In many places duelling was forbidden to but not percecuted, as the only witnesses where the participants and theire seconds.

[@moiseman]

Great job repeating what I just said

[@pingun96]

Actually, the illegality varied of course, but at least England had a law against it because it could risk gentlemens/nobles lives or something on those lines. Of course, a friendly duel of swords was allowed, but a duel to death or untill one side surrenders was illegal at that point.

[@macnutz4206]

I was introduced to primer propelled wax bullets in the late fifties. I believe the primers for the dueling pistol were more powerful, they were certainly bigger than the primers for .38 spl rounds. We reloaded at home and used the wax bullets for our rather rustic basement range. They are surprisingly accurate within about twenty five yards, inside, with no wind. They smart pretty good at ten yards. 😐

[@frittsm6417]

Glad to see someone else was trying to shoot his friend with a wax in the fifties. My buddies dad caught us and made us wear safety glasses and you are right when hit it smarts like hell.

[@dragonbutt]

Reminds me of when guys would shoot shotgun wads at each other. Dangerous and painful, but fun!

[@madhatter8819]

Those are shotshell primers. They were introduced at the end of 19 century by French firearms engineer (don't really know how to write his name in English, sorry), and today it's extremely common for 12ga plastic cases.

[@larsv1377]

I would use the wax bullets propelled by a shotgun primer in a plastic case(.38spl) in my SW model 66 to shoot at the T.V.! I would feel like Elvis!! Of course I would have a comment before each shot!!! ☝😎👍

[@spiderhater_240]

Macnutz420 says a dude named Macnutz420.

[@Bikewer]

I did a lot of wax-bullet shooting years ago, after reading Bill Jordan’s “No Second Place Winner”. He used wax for training. .38 special cases with the primer flash-hole drilled out, and the case forced through a block of standard paraffin. They were quite accurate and hit pretty hard as well, propelled only by the primer.

[@PikeyScott]

Fun fact: a standard leggo figure's head is the same diameter as 10mm / .40 cal. Pull the bullet and powder. Seat a leggo head into the cartridge case. Have fun in the garage!

[@DFX2KX]

*happens to have a few 40 S&W cases sitting on his monitor stand dispite having nothing that shoots it.... Immediately goes to the closet to see if this is true* Oh My God.... That is much more amusing to me then it has any right to be.

[@metamorphicorder]

I believe taofladermaus shot lego heads out of a 9mm on their channel. They shot them for sure. Might have uses 10 mm though. They were surprisingly accurate.

[@handlesarekindadumb]

Imagine being a police officer and getting a murder victim with a lego man head in him

[@Elenrai]

@@handlesarekindadumb "Im getting too old for this shit"

[@marcusaurelius5786]

@@Elenrai *slow applause*

[@webertheo5448]

for the marking on the box: bullets et system devilliers primer & dummy cartridge Patented S.G.D.G in france and abroad for assault with pistol & saloon shooting with revolver precaution to take 1)only shoot at 20m 2)protect the face and hand with a special mask with a thick glasse, and a garde 3)do not let the bullets exposed to the wax/frost 4) in summer freezel them as much as possible Piot-Lepage Exlusionary dealer Paris 12 rue Martel

[@depotshredder6938]

I think 3 and 4 are a tiny bit off (although still perfectly understandable). 3 is “Do not leave the bullets exposed to ice,” and 4 is “In summer, cool them as much as possible.”

[@webertheo5448]

should i change my first post ?

[@depotshredder6938]

Doesn't really matter, I just wanted to make sure together we had it as close as possible :)

[@sethrich5998]

I used to work as an engineer for a firearm training product company and ever since I've been fascinated with the training products people have come up with through history. These are very cool. Would go great alongside that needle training rifle. If specifically training firearms weren't so obscure and hard to find it would certainly make for an interesting focus on collecting.

[@dukeofgibbon4043]

That training objects are rare and obscure makes them a perfect foundation for an interesting collection.

[@miguelangelsimonfernandez5498]

Ian, LePage was one of the finest dueling pistol manufacturers for many decades if not more than a century. Their weapons reach top prices at auction, if you find one.

[@WhitecollarZombie]

In the first 13 seconds you convinced me that dueling should be legalized and brought back.

[@bloodyhell8201]

This is a preposterous assertion I demand satisfaction! I challenge you to a duel!

[@biggusdickus5986]

I accept your challenge you can have the sword and l will have the pistol 😂

[@robonator2945]

tbh I can't even figure out a good reason why it's illegal. What, it's dangerous? Yeah so is eating a pound of bacon everyday, smoking a couple dozen per month, and getting a rope to decorate your ceiling fan with a very realistic halloween decoration; since when the fuck has "you might hurt yourself" been our basis for anything? What two consenting adults do is their business and, notable exception for if you live somewhere with publicized healthcare, it don't affect you.

[@dukeofgibbon4043]

Cassius Clay nods

[@leepierce8778]

​@robonator2945 they made it illegal to protect politicians from being challenged

[@davelowey3074]

Hi Ian my name is Dave i'm 45 from the UK, i have been watching your channel for a good few years now i haven't kept a record lol. But i just think Fogrotten Weapons is one of my favorite channels, i like my fellow countryman's channel too Bloke on the range, i totally understand loving weapons because i do. Whenever i put youtube on i always see whats happening on yours, thank you for the excellent content i think it's very funny when you get called the Gun Jesus, but it could be true thank you again Ian cheers mate and thanks again!!!

[@KM-mt5gx]

Get a room.

[@epauletshark3793]

You started that like an AA meeting.

[@sirderam1]

@@epauletshark3793 In Britain being interested in firearms and being an alcoholic carries much the same social stigma. Actually, when I think about it, being interested in firearms is much worse.

[@fdmackey3666]

It does make one wonder how history would have gone if Hamilton and Burr had had, and taken advantage of, such a set up.

[@DFX2KX]

You know, I hadn't thought about that. I'm surprised the idea of dueling with our airsoft pistols never occurred to me and my brother, given how often we decided our arguments by boxing match.

[@d.thorpe2046]

For everyone who enjoyed this video I recommend the book 'Burr' by Gore Vidal

[@qoph1988]

They had wax back then. They would have tarred and feathered you for daring to suggest that a matter of honor shouldn't involve putting one's life on the line.

[@RomeoWhiskey692]

Having been a paintball addict for years , and a big fan of Simunitions and other training aids , I was fascinated just how long this idea has been around . Very cool !

[@Sphyxx]

so its like primitive airsoft

[@gunner678]

NytOnPeliAika no paint ball! But yes you are right really!

[@NPS69]

More like simmunition guns

[@titiparisien7485]

You can also load a signle shot percussion pistol (or revolver f you want to duel the Old West way...) with a wax bullet.

[@Panzergraf]

This is a lot like airsoft, yes. Many early airsoftguns, from the 80's, had cartridges like these too. While none used primers or wax bullets that I'm aware of, it took a while for the 6mm plastic BB's we know and love to be standardized. 7mm squeeze bore pellets were common for some time. Asahi used fin stabilized pellets in cartridges pressurized by hand pumps in their now legendary M700 replica rifles - most of these were confiscated and destroyed by the Japanese government in the 90's, as they could accept .22 conversion kits made for the real M700. Only an estimated 20-25 rifles remain.

[@Vanalos]

Conor Foster Tell me, is Simunition and guns or something equivalent sold in the US to normal people, or do they only sell to LE/military?

[@davidcarr7436]

Im old enough to remember an article about making paraffin "blanks" for your handgun to safely practice shooting in your basement. It was basically using a cartridge case loaded with just the primer and then pressing it into a piece of paraffin half the thickness of the cartridge casings and then firing them onto a plywood target.

[@TyBowman117]

Hell yeah! Let’s bring back dueling!

[@trishooty4513]

I agree. We will see the leftist regressive stop being so thinned skinned and offended when there is a possibility of being shot involved. XD

[@tylerjfk3786]

You kidding right? Give all those little kids who thinks being an offensive little shit is a right guns and let them shoot people? You really must be stupid t think such a thing is a good idea.

[@marcusdaniels6635]

Use paintballs....

[@broadstken]

I had a set of 6 .38 cartridges that had been drilled to accept a 209 primer and a box of wax slugs that I got at a gunshow in the late 80's. We used them for target practice indoors in the winter. Well.... mostly. Those things stung like hell and left a welt.

[@burlatsdemontaigne6147]

We used to have spud guns when I was a kid. Surprising how painful a little bit of potato can be when fired at close quarters.

[@filmandfirearms]

Potatoes don't deform. Of course it hurts

[@49mrbassman]

I remember having a duel with a friend of mine over some girl, with our gat air guns. They had a receiver at the front that would take a cork projectile. At 10 paces those things damn well hurt. We were about 12 years old at the time. You do some stupid things when you're young and there's no granny state wagging it's finger at you.

[@MB-yk1qk]

I love the heart-shape of the handgard. It has this flavor of Sailor Moon. "Waxbullet, fly and win!"

[@waynehindes3396]

Why I love this channel, just by the title didn't sound all that interesting to me, but having watched it now Ian has made me want to try to find a set cause that actually looks like fun, expensive fun, but fun.

[@peenusweenus3169]

Wayne Hindes or you can use a soft projectile in almost any handgun. Wax, foam earplugs, rubber with a very small charge.

[@Derkman96]

Couldn't you do this with a cap and ball revolver if you wanted?

[@GMProspect]

Airsoft handguns are a LOT cheaper!

[@charlescomly1]

In Cowboy fast draw we use 45's loaded with wax bullets, it's loads of fun shooting targets, not each other. But the same principle applies to the ammunition, not much has really changed about it in over a hundred years.

[@janialander414]

Some years ago I heard from that kind of thing, and decided to test it. Loaded wax bullet to empty primed .22 LR case and got one of my friends to shoot with that from .22 revolver. Better have thick clothes, it hurted quite much and made nice bruise. Certainly more powerfull than airsoft ball, I wouldn't want to get hit from anything bigger caliber.

[@learrus]

My dad has a book which I loved looking through as a little kid growing up, a historical book about antique firearms and the history thereof. The reason I love your show so much is because it is like that book, but a video version of it. Absolutely enthralled by your work!

[@jaysbob]

The handguard is actually ambidextrous! Neat to see on turn of the century sporting equipment.

[@kg_canuck]

This should come back. It could turn arguments into a hands off sporting event

[@maxnaz47]

I love how the shield is in the shape of a heart. 'I love you but i'm still going to shoot at you'

[@RackwitzG]

I like the heart shape of the handguard.

[@reliquiae9017]

The handguard is shaped like a heart so your opponent knows that you are sending some love his way.

[@georgewestfall598]

Those sights are beautiful

[@MiniPainterGamerDadD20]

Holy crap this is awesome. I would love to duel with quality reproductions of these fine pistols.

[@TRUECEL14]

Vulgarity

[@erict3728]

I love this channel. I hadn't watched any of these in maybe a year, but since I'm subscribed, I still get them in my feed. For some reason, I decided to click this one and watch it. Instantly remembering why I subscribed and used to watch every video as it was uploaded. This stuff... The history, the purpose, the development, the manufacturing and the way the parts cooperate is just fascinating. I like the other channels like Taofledermaus, Kentucky Ballistics, etc. But this is the part of firearms that most interests me. Taofledermaus is a close 2nd, because of his scientific approach. Thank You Ian. You've been making great content for a very long time and I greatly appreciate it

[@BaseDeltaZero1972]

These pistols need an 80's style toy advert with the whole family having fun shooting each other.

[@d.s.parentsr6502]

I love the unmistakable similarities with fencing from the act itself previously being a potentially fatal participation, the resemblance with the headgear, even the cup-hilt on the weapon itself.

[@chubbycatfish4573]

This should be an Olympic sport.

[@DFX2KX]

it used to be. But fencing is the closest you get now.

[@eoagr1780]

@@DFX2KX bayonet fencing used to be an Olympic sport as well

[@DFX2KX]

@@eoagr1780 I did not know that...

[@JordanTheMann]

0:00 “...a way to prevent people from saying things they oughtn’t say and would regret saying if they said it face to face” Sounds like you’re venting about the arguments in the KZbin comments.

[@TaunTom]

Yeah, but who wins the duel? I'm guessing the one who isn't limping from the shot to the balls.

[@45CaliberCure]

Lol. Just got the image of them wearing protective clothing everywhere - except their junk has to be exposed.

[@AndreasMSchroeder]

45CaliberCure 😂 love this idea. We should bring this back as a way to settle disputes, the „balls out“ rule would make sure that only really serious matters where both parties are really in with conviction (or shall we say balls deep) are solved this way.

[@brutongaster8184]

I fully support this idea

[@kennethpowers241]

@@AndreasMSchroeder The skill cap would be pretty high. The one with the smaller balls would also have an advantage.

[@shlomo_jewinstien-Doodoowitz]

@@AndreasMSchroeder maybe that where the balls out term came from lol

[@zwergenkaempferstein]

Really good camera angle you did show it very good. I could see everything thanks

[@inquaanate2393]

New (old) sport for the olympics

[@BadlanderOutsider]

I actually believe the first Olympics had this precise system for duelling as an event.

[@inquaanate2393]

BadlanderOutsider I actually believe the first olympic took place in Ancient Greece, before firearms were invented.

[@BadlanderOutsider]

I was referring to the modern Olympics as that was the focus of your comment. Sorry for the confusion. I was wrong anyway as the duelling events were done in 1906.

[@robbytheremin2443]

This reminds me of the time I took some primed 45 ACP brass and jammed them into a block of candle wax. I test fired one from my 1911 at the back of a metal chair with a denim jacket draped over it. It put a hole through my jacket and dented the chair. 😱

[@WLS_Churchill]

The first sentence made me feel about what we used to say with my brother : "People these day, would be a lot less offended, if duel was actually legal"

[@WLS_Churchill]

By the way, perfect translation of the "Précautions" (i'm french)

[@CrysResan]

or if the use of rocksalt shotgun shells on assholes.... not literal anuses though if catch one there and if you can at some point use the bathroom normally you will be VERY careful to never be rude again.

[@InSanic13]

+Spc Madoule No, people today would be just as offended: they'd just be killing each other a lot more. Seriously, people used to get into duels for absolutely ridiculous and trivial reasons.

[@InSanic13]

+Spc Madoule If dueling was still popular, then the snowflakes would be issuing a lot of challenges.

[@Krieger22FS]

Spc Madoule No. A duel was and is still a form of protest. Of course, there's always regretting your brother's brainwave with a chunk of wax attached to your head after the fact.

[@zapperdoom4812]

dueling as a sport is bad ass

[@brillenfux4687]

**throws down the gauntlet**

[@maelgugi]

**pulls out the flail*

[@Seelenschmiede]

*shoots the flail guy* Common gretin, the flail isn't a gentlemans weapon! Are we peasants or something?

[@maelgugi]

**shot landed on the bulletproof chest plate* **Chest plate was super effective* **Gets even more angry over being called peasant, draws rapier and rondel dagger, and charges*

[@Seelenschmiede]

I always shot at the knee. So you can still be a guard...

[@flcnfghtr]

*I demand satisfaction!*

[@ZacLowing]

3:52 if we didn't have photos like this, people would think you tucked those flaps inside your jacket I bet

[@bongobrandy6297]

I fart in your general direction!

[@gunner678]

And your father smells of elder berries!

[@bongobrandy6297]

Touche!

[@lightweight1974]

Run away, run away!

[@MarkLaLone]

What a strange person.....

[@royperkins3851]

Bongo Brandy your moma was a hamster and your father smelled of elderberrys! Haha ha ha ha ha ha

[@stevek6486]

We use to duel with paintball pistols - does anyone remember the splatmaster? You had to pull back the cocking mechanism between each shot so you really had to make each shot count. When the “rapid” came out with a double action trigger semi-auto it was a literal game changer.

[@marcinkotlarz7512]

It is quite difficult to imitate the real duel with non-hurting weapon, because in the real duel, you were supposed to to wound your opponent also to prevent them from fire you back.... If the opponent was hit to the heart or head, he would probably be unable to return a fire. Otherwise he could shot you back, even after being heavily injured, as in this film: kzbin.infoUgkxH9KqfJ__P9CcKClvMTaB0trHBwJN7VEG

[@grumpycat_1]

Always wanted a smg-60

[@georgem7965]

The "primers" look suspiciously like a .22 caliber CB cap without a projectile. These were common at the time for gallery or even living room target shooting. It would be interesting to see if a CB cap would fit the machined cartridge cases. If so it might be a way of using these pistols without having to try to rely on century plus old ammunition. I can't believe that it would be very hard to cast wax .44 caliber balls with a black powder bullet mold. You might have to experiment with paraffin and bees wax mixtures to get something hard enough to take the rifling but soft enough to deform on impact.

[@georgehardin3037]

Primer powered wax loads were very popular for practicing in the basement back in the '70s. They pretty much vanished when revolvers went out of style for a carry weapon.

[@paulwhitehead3002]

Looks like the Thompson center fire pistols we can buy to day

[@zyriab5797]

Hey Ian, you got it pretty much right for the safety notice, here's my translation if it interrests y'all : 1. Only use at 20 meters. 2. Protect the face with a special mask having a thick glass, and the hand with a guard. 3. Do not let the bullet exposed to freezing (t.n. : they use an old school word). 4. In the summer, refrigerate as much as possible. Cheers, very nice set of guns :)

[@donweatherwax9318]

Thanks for that public-service translation. I was understandably curious.

[@harryfittock935]

Hi Ian. I have been watching and enjoying your videos for a while now and just wanted to say thanks for your insight and knowledge in firearms. I also wanted to ask you if you would be able to do a video on the martini Henry's use in World War One. Greetings from Australia.

[@sethrich5998]

Blitzkrieg Gaming Check out C&Rsenal channel. They are covering every firearm from the Great War in feature length (45-90 minute) detail. It's one of Ian's top recommended channels other than his own.

[@5000loto]

I used to make wax pellets for my 5mm air rifle when I lived in Arizona for black widow eradication in my house and yarn. No damage to past target furniture, walls, windows........ Very effective.

[@DarkestVampire92]

Could the extra cartridges that dont fit the gun be the advertised 8mm ones? Also, seriously, get yourself some of the 8mm ones and try it out with Karl.

[@gordoncouger9648]

Wax bullets are still used in Cowboy Fast Draw. Shooting yourself in the leg with a 400-500 fps wax bullet is no fun at all but it doesn't result in a trip to the ER or bleeding out on the ground with a bullet through the femoral artery. Speer makes plastic cases & bullets that use primers for propulsion and X-Ring makes primer powed soft rubber bullets that stand up to repeated use in 9mm, 38, 40, 44, & 45 caliber. They use regular brass, but the flash holes have to be drilled out so the primer doesn't back out when fired. Some use X-Ring bullets in force on force training. Laser training cartridges for dry fire training are the high tech version of wax bullets. I've tried them all and laser cartridges are the best.

[@Halinspark]

I give it about 12 hours before Othias finds a secret document saying these were for more gentlemanly vermin shooting or something.

[@notamexican91]

depending on the nature of your opponent, that may be correct

[@rudetoy8264]

Watch until the end to see the gun actually shot wax, but left dissatisfied

[@aarontrew1410]

You loaded the ball into the cartridge. You loaded the primer into the cartridge. You did not shoot a friend. Something is upsetting about that.

[@jaymassengill3340]

I've read that on Christmas Eve 1905, an ethereal figure entered the Lepage shop just before closing time and enquired if they had anything in .58 caliber with a conical wax bullet and an actual powder charge. The elderly manager of the shop recognized this mysterious patron as the ghost of Colonel Minié and feinted flat out...

[@jmjedi923]

Why did this ever stop?

[@CBe-ot8vu]

It was outlawed and became illegal that's why

[@aaftiyoDkcdicurak]

CBe-ot8vu we were looking for an actual reason.

[@jmjedi923]

@@aaftiyoDkcdicurak this man gets it.

[@nicholasbenedetto5963]

for information about this kind of stuff and fencing history, I would recommend Fairfield fencing in Shreveport, Louisiana. It's the only fencing and dueling museum in us and has Olympic equipment dating back to the beginning, would highly recommend it.

[@KorbinX]

Being shot in the knuckles by a paintball is probably the worst place to get shot...

[@Seelenschmiede]

KorbinX i could imagine one or two spots even worse...

[@KorbinX]

Seelenschmiede trust me, ive been shot everywhere but directly in the eye, one close to the eye, and several in the jingley bits

[@lawrencemartin1113]

Fabulous. Many thanks for covering this interesting subject. I recently picked up the new, present day, equivalent of this....an Umarex .43 cal Glock 17 Gen 5 paintball/rubber ball training pistol. What goes around, comes around! I believe that a few years ago, a company in Europe (Henry Krank?) Were selling a similar pistol to the ones in your video, which, whilst originally used as black powder target pistols, had a percussion cap mechanism and with the use of a shotgun primer fitted to the nipple, could fire a polymer ball, accurately to around 25 yards. Much cleaner to use and cheaper to operate. Also, able to be fired on an indoor range, (no vast clouds of smoke!) provided the correct backstop was used to prevent direct return ricochets! It seems we are always in search of ways to utilise sporting guns in different ways. I am viewing this on New Year's eve, 2022, so wishing you a very happy 2023 and look forward to more of your excellent films to come.

[@StrohmaniasFlyingCircus]

11:10 Looks like there's a bar at that address now. Might want to bring a real gun the way Paris has been. :- ]

[@SCP.Officer.McDaniel]

With all the fencing gear used, this brings a new meaning to pistol grip

[@boltmonkey6869]

Another example of "...everything old is new again..." I bought bored out cartridges like this in .38 special with wax bullets to practice in back yard from www.cowboyfastdraw.com. They use this system in fast draw competition in Cowboy Action Shooting. Perhaps, they got the idea from Lepage?

[@SpaceMissile]

3:42 - "To protect your hand" ...and increase the coolness factor by like 10 times

[@John1911]

12 year old me is asking 40 year old me to break out the CC and start searching Gunbroker. 😎

[@Kronosutd]

Has a Frenchman , i'm very proud of this presentaion of theses forgotens Weapons. Go Ahead Ian.

[@Taeonas]

My RAM desert eagle runs pretty much the same. On rubber balls / paintballs and casings minus the primer, which is replaced by compressed air. (See my videos on it). It''s so cool to see the idea is really that old though. Would've loved playing and owning those. Thanks for sharing Iain.

[@DFX2KX]

Huh, I've never seen one of those! and I thought the blowback airsoft pistols where realistic... I'd hate to go looking around the arena for spent casings, though.

[@Taeonas]

DFX2KX you can get bio degradable plastic cases too. Not expensive. Aluminium ones are good indoors. Make a great sound falling on hard floors :)

[@williamapplegate4820]

They have bullets like this for western quick draw competition, they use shotgun primers. The wax bullets fire around 400 FPS or a little higher if I remember correctly .

[@dragonkingofthestars]

If they shoot wax bullets, can't hurt anyone any more then a paintball, do they count as 'weapons'.

[@DFX2KX]

depends on the country. I'm not sure about the US (because they do take cartridges, but those cartridges are sold unassembled), but most other places define 'airgun' and 'firearm' by total projectile energy. 7.5 joules is a standard in a lot of places.

[@deimosian]

Yes, these would be firearms in the USA.

[@strongserbian1413]

In France, it would be classified as a D-category weapon. It's the same category as paintballs and melee weapons, and is regulation-free.

[@pulv715]

20 joules become a standard in Europe with some new european union law

[@GoMrTom]

You can load a real bullet so it is a weapon.

[@kuntosjedebil]

I've read in one Vietnam war memoir about a similar past time. The soldiers would remove the bullets and gunpowder charge and fill the casing with soap. The primer explosion had enough energy to fire the soap at some serious velocities.

[@maelgugi]

Dueling was banned because people abuse it. When trial by combat existed, strong and skilled people used it to amass fortunes by lying about someone rich promising him something, and when the trial came, the rich one have to decide either to die or yield. Later, it became even sillier, people expected you to duel with your friend just because joke about something that you didn't care but was taboo, e.g. in my country, in the 18-19th century removing someone else hat was the ultimate insult, so you must duel if someone did it to you.

[@Seelenschmiede]

maelgugi and when handguns got more avaiable for common guys duelling got out of hands for everything imagined "insults" between common guys.

[@Asghaad]

rich guy could just hire some skilled mercenary to act as his substitute ... it can be abused BOTH ways ...

[@frankpitochelli6786]

The machining was fantastic, being over 120 yrs ago, the precision was spot on.

[@maximilianmustermann5763]

A guy at my range owns a couple of historic pistols that are up to 200 years old. He shoots competitions with them and they are as precise as a modern competition pistol at 25 meters. To be fair, only a select few of these old pistols were as good as that. They were expensive back then and they are still very expensive and hard to find.

[@QuellicheilMarza]

Original airsoft right there

[@stephenreeves9497]

Nintendiano more like paintball

[@paulhowerton8390]

YOU ALWAYS ARE DIRECT & TO THE POINT SIR ! GREAT OPENER ! AS EVER, YOUR REVIEW OF EACH UNIQUE HISTORY & DEFT MECHANICS OF PIECES DISPLAYED, MAKE YOUR ONLINE COURSES TOPS !

[@XeleriumDa]

Looks like the ideal hobby for the British Gentlemen role playing in a Mad Max type of World

[@zorro456]

Solid pistol action. Wonder how hot you could load it and not split the case. 3 grains Bullseye and a soft lead .44 cal ball.

[@RaeSyngKane]

Andrew Jackson would give this a 10/10 so long as he got a real gun instead of the wax firing one.

[@joshuabrown7815]

This makes me so happy as I’ve been studying him in history for the last week

[@jameshay7247]

Good general, not as good a President.

[@hedgeearthridge6807]

Aaron Burr, his VP, didn't even need Alexander Hamilton to have wax bullets...

[@wilomica]

I never thought about it but I know almost nothing about paint ball history! Good one Ian.

[@Zephirot080]

This video doesn't appear in the uploaded videos

[@ForgottenWeapons]

That is because you are sneaky and found it early.

[@Zephirot080]

Forgotten Weapons i don't think so. It says it was uploaded on the 27, and I found it yesterday. Still it doesn't show up on the channel

[@emilhajbert5326]

Zephirot080 Are you a 20$ Patreon supporter? If not you should not be here tbh

[@Zephirot080]

Emil Hajbert no, I found it on Twitter

[@emilhajbert5326]

Hagen That's because it's been made official whereas it was not 4 days ago

[@jeffreyyoung4104]

As a musician, I always had fun challenging people to a duet!

[@JonSmith-yq1dw]

oh believe me I agree dueling should be legal. Hell I really don't see why not. if both parties would agree to it and sign something that definitely seems like the Baseline for freedom LOL

[@DFX2KX]

It was outlawed on the basis of 'mutually agreed upon vigilante justice' still being vigilante justice, and having all of the problems that entails. Even back in the sword days, there was blackmail to force one party's hand, cheating, feuds, and there where duels over the results of duels. If you're trying to have a society where the rule of law is king (and western civilization has been built on it for the most part), then having people agree to ignore it for the sake of quick resolution becomes problematic. And I honestly don't see legalizing it actually resulting in any duels either. And the few that did happen would be under circumstances where 'Guy wins the duel only to be hit by so much 5.56 that I can moonlight as a boat anchor, courtesy of the the other party's angry family'

[@philippetays4263]

we have experimented with wax bullets in a 357, propelling with a shotgun primer (of course you slightly have to modify the case). Works neat for shooting pop cans in the basement or birds in a building. We even used a little black powder for booster and were able to burry the was bullets into fir planking.

[@samuelchurchill6458]

I challenge you to a dual Ian

[@martinhristov3670]

Samuel Churchill oh you just done fucked up

[@martinhristov3670]

What were you thinking, challenging gun Jesus?

[@ForgottenWeapons]

Sorry, there is only one of me.

[@jaymassengill3340]

You don't believe in the multiverse??

[@maelgugi]

Jay Massengill He's is the one and only all over the multiverse

[@brodericki4281]

This is one of the coolest “off the beaten track” FW’s ever

[@damiangrouse4564]

Those pistols look strong enough for “real” ammo...was a conventional cartridge available that would fit?

[@BadlanderOutsider]

I think for safety purposes they deliberately made it so that you would have to use their own ammunition, but I'm sure you could get an 11mm case or indeed mill out on of theirs, and turn it down, use a light load and get something to fire out of it.

[@damiangrouse4564]

BadlanderOutsider Thanks for the reply...

[@SuperFunkmachine]

I think there that strong so you can use them for target shooting.

[@thebotrchap]

BadlanderOutsider I have seen them chambered for 44 Russian.

[@Ensign_Cthulhu]

This does introduce tremendously nefarious possibilities for an early 20th Century murder mystery.

[@dallinpalmer7388]

one of the only dead honest patreon promoters love you ian support the cause haha cool ass video love the old classic ones forsure.