Sunngård Automatic Pistol: 50 Rounds in 1909

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Harald Sunngård was Norwegian inventor in the early years of the 20th century who noticed a common perceived weakness of automatic pistols: reloads under stress were often bungled by shooters, leaving them vulnerable to return fire without being able to shoot back. Doing the classic inventor thing, Sunngård figured out a solution to the problem - a two-part solution, in fact. The first part of his solution was to use a big magazine and a small cartridge, to maximize magazine capacity. The second part of his solution was to store a spare magazine right in the magazine well of the pistol for immediate use.
The grip of the pistol is long enough front-to-back to store two identical magazines. The front magazine sits higher than the rear one, and the boltface on the slide feeds rounds from the front magazine into the chamber. Once the front magazine is empty, the shooter ejects it, and need only slide the rear magazine into the front position (and rack the slide) to continue shooting. There is a misconception that the pistol will fire automatically from both magazines in succession, but this is not true.
In addition to having the handy spare available, Sunngard designed the magazines to hold no fewer than 25 cartridges each (in the more common 6.5mm chambering). This gave the pistol a total of 50 rounds stored on-board, which was a major point in Sunngard’s marketing.
The 6.5mm cartridge designed for the pistol had a 23mm overall length, and used a 19mm case. The projectile was a scant 28.5 grains (1.85 gram), and Sunngard claimed a muzzle velocity of just under 2000 ft/s (600 m/s) - which is almost certainly an exaggeration. There was also an 8mm version of the pistol made in much smaller numbers, which fired an equally light projectile (29gr / 1.88g), and may have gotten closer to the claimed velocity (magazines for the 8mm version held 18 rounds each).
The main magazine catch is basically a heel release on the front edge of the magazine well, and it is pushed back in the typical manner to allow the primary magazine to be removed. Then the rear magazine is pulled slightly forward and down as if to remove it from the gun. The rear magazine is then slid forward into the front position and pushed back up to lock into place on the magazine catch. A pair of small guides at the top of the magazine well prevent the magazine from being pushed backwards into the now-empty space for the spare magazine, and these guides are the reason the spare mag must be pulled down and then pushed back up. When initially loading the pistol, the spare magazine is inserted first, and locked back into its compartment. Then the primary magazine is inserted just like in any other pistol.
Sunngard apparently tried hard to market the pistol to a variety of military forces, but found no takers. He was able to get the gun entered into the 1914 Norwegian military trials, where it was bested by the Colt 1911 (we don’t have a testing report from the trials, which would be very interesting to read). If I had to guess based on the general attitudes of the day, I would suspect that Ordnance officers found the reloading process awkward, the cartridge underpowered, and the need for a very high capacity pistol unconvincing.
Mechanically, the Sunngard is pretty simple. It uses a plain blowback action, as no locking system is necessary for its small cartridge. The barrel is fixed to the receiver, and a recoil spring is located around the barrel and inside the barrel shroud/slide.
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[@ChaosPootato]

How did this not end up in Battlefield 1, it's exactly the kind of rare pieces they added

[@colonthree]

ChaosPotato Norway was not directly a part of WW1, but I guess that game isn't as historically accurate (refer to Ian's video earlier), so it should have made a nice fit. :3c

[@ChaosPootato]

Exactly! Since 20 soldiers could wield a drum-fed Hellriegel at once when there was only one, EVER and the drum didn't even work, why not this gun!

[@MumrikDK]

A 50 round pistol could probably end up being a balance issue.

[@dogeggs8679]

Just make its damage poop

[@mattt4080]

Maybe you could ask EA. Maybe they could include it as a microtransaction haha

[@nickjohnson8780]

"Maybe it looks longer than it really is because its so small in diameter" I felt that

[@epwlod777]

That's sad With the name 'Johnson'

[@9mmpeter255]

Tiny wangs unite!!!!

[@Hysteria98]

Your girlfriend didn't.

[@joergmaass]

The man they called "Noodle"...

[@uwuowo4856]

@@joergmaass oh....

[@dobypilgrim6160]

Trying to punch a light .25 caliber round through winter clothing would have been problematic. I am reminded of a line in a Mark Twain story about the black powder S&W .22. "If you shoot me with that thing and I find out about it..."

[@mannixflinn6227]

Brilliant quote

[@Janni069]

@@codymaynard85 I read somewhere that in the korea war the soldiers with thick winter coats were still standing after being shot multiple times by an m1 carbine. These coats are kinda protecting in longer range

[@nomadben]

@Lord Lolland That's a brilliant story.

[@Lingist081]

Lord Lolland same happened with Otto Von Bismark. Someone tried to assassinate him with a small caliber, barrel less black powder revolver. Just bruised him and made him pissed off.

[@TheTheRandomShow1234]

@no candy would sound so much better if you understood the proper usage of the word through.

[@Terabit3]

With such a high capacity magazine and such a small round, it really would have shined as a machine pistol

[@oldnick4707]

I thought the same darn thing! A heat shield would be good though! lol

[@idancemyassintothepaint7571]

Oooo yeah..

[@graham2631]

@@toki89666 you can drop and slam a new clip in. Then another. And still keep the back up clip well,back. In the larger 8mm fairly close to present day pistol size a 18 round clip is for a 100+ year gun is incredible and a 36 round pistol well...

@@toki89666 no. it holds 50 rounds and 25 extra in the holster! 75. idiot!!!!!!!!!!!

[@collinmackin5911]

G r a h a m Magazine. It’s not a bolt action, it doesn’t use clips.

[@michaeljohnsonbaugh7962]

Imagine taking your design that holds 50 rounds to a military trial, and then you lose out to someone with a gun that holds 7 rounds. He must be so confused why he didnt win the contract

[@enricopaolocoronado2511]

@Anthony Swiss Maybe because shooting soldiers in thick clothing with what was effectively a slightly stronger .22LR wasn't exactly an ideal thing to do.

[@daytenanderson3898]

@Anthony Swiss Go back to the past time traveler

[@jackofmanytrades4396]

It looks like it was quite the labor of love. It also looks like it wouldn't be especially durable, particularly the magazines and how they fit in the gun.

[@bleachsmoker]

Interesting idea. I wonder what a 9 mil. grip would look like with two mags stacked in front of eachother.

[@joel_rigby]

Pretty sure it would have failed due to ergonomics and horrid magazine controls. The second magazine would be near impossible to load quickly.

[@jeffphillips1798]

And here we have an early art deco Pez dispenser from Norway.

[@Chef4life79]

I feel compelled to quote Preditor 2, "want some candy?" directed to Bill Paxton shortly before dispatching him....

[@PershingDragoon]

Haha this comment got me.

[@kaitheviking8468]

Wait you dont have ballistic candy..? That's just a Norway thing..? Huh...

[@beanieteamie7435]

I felt that one xD

[@stormhansen1499]

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@user-ik8uc8vi1z]

it's the gun i drew when i was 4! :D

[@xieli8152]

Hahaha

[@on1yadam]

j 😂😂😂😂😂

[@VonRammsteyn]

j :):):):):)

[@jamesbulldogmiller]

Ha!! me too!

[@samhansen9771]

WhatAreYouSaying? Countdown until you get it

[@Journey_to_who_knows]

"It doesn't matter when your first hit is weak when you got 24 more following it" - Ghandi

[@mrsaturdaynightspecial3055]

Unless the other guy really wants to kill you.😬 In that case nothing is strong enough.😉

[@mrslyfox2405]

Nuclear Holocaust Causing Ghandi Flashbacks.

[@jestnutz]

The future we will be using nature as a weapon. Imagine summoning tsunamis or hurricanes and punish countries.. this day and age anything is possible now. -Dr seuss

[@frankdavis313]

It does if hes wearing enough cloths -me

[@shittydildo3939]

I bet I could beat up 25 toddlers easy, but I would be beaten up by one martial arts master.

[@jarofyellow2408]

This in 2mm kolibri with 8000 rounds capacity

[@Jabberwockybird]

What about an American 180 in 2mm kolibri? Beees!!!

[@marvindebot3264]

@@Jabberwockybird That would actually be fun little toy but a reloading device for those mags would be a must! Oh and picture it. Home invader: "LOL what are you going to do to me with that toy gun?" Toy gun: "Brrrrrrrrrrrrt!" Home invader:

[@dr.dylansgame5583]

@@marvindebot3264 fuck now I want one luckily I'm getting two paintball pistols to load with riot balls and strong pepper balls that the police would use

[@vibinwithorion288]

😂

[@jez76]

+4000 in the holster.

[@davidreeding9176]

"...75 rounds of ammunition." That's some end game gear right there

[@omegafoxxtrot7248]

Out of everything Ian's covered so far, I have never wanted to own a firearm so badly. The mechanical uniqueness, the gorgeous shape, even the odd handle all combine to make me wish I wasn't totally broke.

[@Big_AlMC]

Ha

[@LisaAnn777]

Really? This is one of the ugliest things I've ever seen.

[@JameaJimea1175]

Felt bud

[@SpydersByte]

gorgeous shape? this thing is the ugliest pistol Ive ever seen! 😅 and the mechanism to shift the second mag forward seems super fiddly and more of a pain than just carrying a second one or having it clipped onto the weapon somewhere. I think Id rather do a normal reload than try to slide that thing forward and backward every time

[@fighterairplane]

This is the most beautiful ugly gun I've ever seen.

[@yyyyyeeeee4060]

Awful taste but great execution

@Lord Admiral Spire say that when ur out of your 7 AMMO...................................... Did u know a caliber 22 is more deadly then a 45??? no? because u dont know pistols!

[@HandFromCoffin]

That's exactly what I thought. Man that's uuuug.....well.. ugly? but nice looking.. both? my eye's don't know what to make of it.

[@docod-vq6iv]

its like the Willem Dafoe of firearms lol

[@Ignikus]

@@HandFromCoffin r/confusedboner lul

[@alchemicalsilver6904]

"How often do you need to reload?" Sunngård: "No."

[@firewolf0065]

NEVER

[@nobodyimportant6582]

If you have to reload **cocks lmg** Then you didn't come prepared

[@sandertheunforgiven]

Sunngård: NEI

[@stefthorman8548]

2 times

[@jez76]

Do you mean ‘move magazine?”

[@Nevir202]

2:02 “25mm” ah yes, an anti-material pistol. 🤣

[@Reuel-Jazwa]

You better cover your ears ;)

[@Zigfried207]

@@Reuel-Jazwa and have robotic arm to hold recoil

[@Dizzy-Dice]

And still hold 50 rounds

[@ferdinandhumperdinck165]

Especially at 2000ft/Sec. that would, assuming average weight for a 25mm projectile of 260g, give it 520000 joule KE. So yeah, sadly it aint so, but that would be....^^ Fallout can build it, I am sure.

[@EricWulfe]

if you enable the caption, gun jesus corrected it to .25 caliber

[@hybrid_grizzly]

You all probably figured this out, but at 5:40 Hg is Hectograms aka hundreds of grams. It threw me off for a second because I was thinking Mercury

[@TheRogueWolf]

I thought it meant mercury too, and I was wondering who would base a weight system off of a toxic metal.

[@hybrid_grizzly]

Soviet who Cuts Small bullet at high velocity? Sounds like it’d do alright against armor

[@motorcop505]

The Rogue Wolf The same people who used a toxic metal to measure temperature (especially in thin, fragile glass tubes made to be placed in one's mouth). ⚖️🌡

[@peka2478]

There actually was a x-com-like-game where the aliens geared up with their fancy shield which became increasingly stronger against beam weapons (which you would have acquired by that point) and increasingly more susceptible to traditional ballistic weapons... And there was also x-com apocalypse, where you could develop a toxigun, using lethal poison to deal damage - mercury anyone? ^^

[@peka2478]

Was it Ufo: Aftermath / Aftershock / Afterlight? Dont remember any more, sorry

[@richardshortman5645]

Ian; That is amazing. There is nothing here that is conventional for the time. I would say that it would seem to have come from Mars if it didn't have another meaning. Striker fire when most firearms used hammers. Unique cartridge. Strange disconnect and takedown. Double stack. Unconventional sights. Great job on this video.

[@dksdg]

Once again proves, people like improvements not innovation

[@criffermaclennan]

The gun is rare.... And ammunition is gonna be as easy to find as sasquatch

[@BillRoyMcBill]

And when you do find that sasquatch, you'll be able to light him up...Biggly.

[@nicholaspatton5590]

Me: Hi, do you guys sell 8x19mm? Gun store clerk: You mean 9x19, right? Chuckles. Me:....... err, no.

[@GunFunZS]

I wonder if it could be formed and trimmed from 30 carbine brass.

[@SlyPearTree]

Blurry ammunition?

[@dksdg]

Christopher MacLennan 😂😂

[@Kevin-jb2pv]

I imagine that holding that thing feels a lot like trying to hold a Hershey bar.

[@jehoiakimelidoronila5450]

A hershey bar that fires *50* rounds in one go. Sweet.

[@itsmejak7888]

@@jehoiakimelidoronila5450 you clearly didn't watch the video

[@benburgess9428]

As a firearm salesman, this in 25 ACP would sell like hot cakes. Especially if you slimmed the grip and went with one 25 round magazine at a time. Call it the Sunngard 25.

[@dennismetzger9287]

You just describing it made me want to buy one

[@markvickroy6725]

Designed for a 29 grain bullet. Cci stingers, lightest fastest "standard" 22lr are 32 grains. I could see a single 25 round mag in 25 ACP, scaled down a bit for market and design purposes - you might have something there that's doable and would sell - if it works. IF Big IF

[@benburgess9428]

@@markvickroy6725 Oh I’m not saying the project wouldn’t require significant re-engineering, but if done right it would sell

[@zelenisok]

any double stack 25acp would be cool. someone speculated what if history went differently and we had 25lr, and everything that is today available in 22lr was to be available in 25lr. that would be awesome..

[@TheBeemanblake]

To my current understanding 25 acp is the worst handgun round ever made. Why do people desire it?

[@paalaasengstubbrud3524]

As a Norwegian i appreciate the correct use of Å. Most people get it wrong or just use A instead. Thanks!

[@motorcop505]

Paal Aaseng Stubbrud With the exception of IPhones and iPads finding devices with keyboards that include such characters can be difficult, especially in the US where we don't use many of them.

[@jarmokankaanpaa6528]

Now if they also learned to pronounce it correctly... "å" is pronounced approximately "aw" while "u" is pronounced "oo", so the name is pronounced roughly "Soon-gawrd" with short "oo" and a long "n".

[@Squossifrage]

@@jarmokankaanpaa6528 no, the D is silent, so “soon-gore”

[@jarmokankaanpaa6528]

@@Squossifrage Yes, assuming the person is Norwegian or Danish; the R is also more gutteral than the American Midwestern R and in Danish would be nearly indistinguishable. However, the same name could also be Swedish, in which case the D would be pronounced (except possibly in Scania) but the U would be different (closer to Ü). In any case, the discussion was about vowels rather than consonants, which vary in regional Scandinavian dialects even more than the vowels. It would be impossible to give a non-speaker a general rule-of-thumb on how to pronounce Scandinavian names correctly since you would need to know not only which country but also which specific region the person in question derives from. Still, any form of "Skandinaviska" is preferable to pronunciation by English rules.

[@Squossifrage]

@@jarmokankaanpaa6528 Harald Sunngård was Norwegian.

[@KåreGrovan]

Hi. 7:33 This was a very interesting video for a norwegian that have shot an example of that pistol apprx 30 years ago on a shooting range in Vestby. A smal place in the South East part of Norway. The inventor, Harald Sundby came from a farm in the area named Sundby. My father (born in 1925) told me that he was told that Harald was the forfather to a machine gun too. The german "buzz saw". My father was told that germans came to Harald, and he let them see a prototype, and they bought the drawings. One condition though: the gun could not be used in warfare. The history told us how that vent. Kåre Grovan

[@mencken8]

“That’s a Sunngard, and you’ve had your fifty.”

[@daviddonnelly2700]

Absolutely fascinating firearm Ian. Incredible ingenuity 100+ years ago. For me this Suungard pistol ranks in the the top 5 of all firearms you have reviewed. Completely mezmerizing. I cannot thank you enough for introducing this unique firearm. Practicality aside, it's an amazing example of cool firearm engineering respecting so many aspects. I have watched the video multiple times and will do so repeatedly.

[@EDSKaR]

11:42, the forgotten weapons precision disassembly tool has failed us in its absence.

[@frankbrowning328]

Incredibly innovative for 1909. I love it. Practical or not , it's a really cool design

[@lookoutpiano8877]

The leather on that case is gorgeous. Thanks for showing us all the different mechanisms. What a shame we can't see it fire.

[@CallieYote]

You see Ivan, if all magazine are in gun, who reloads is never an issue

[@xmm-cf5eg]

"No need to electrical tape magazines together Tovarisch, I put all mags into weapon at once."

[@bogiesmigforl1]

@@mablo88123 I thought his name was Ian?

[@tmenzerj]

I still want to see the 25mm version you talked about...

[@grungar3x7]

You mean .25 acp, right? Cause the one in the video is .25 caliber as well, it merely needs a rechamber and a purpose designed magazine. Perhaps a dedicated recoil spring, and I'm not sure if I saw an extractor, but by being blowback, probably not, so, it could use one.

[@grungar3x7]

mannys9130 Well, now I feel silly. But I'd kinda like to see a four bore version as well!

[@hyperhektor7733]

i want to see a .25 version too

[@ichdissdich98]

TeeJayEm ask Anton from Hotdogs horseshoes and handgrenades about it he will at least make one in VR

[@stephenarling1667]

Anyone who can fire a 25mm pistol more than once does not need a pistol.

[@BiggDaddysCheese]

You know it's something special when he starts off with a joyful look on his face

[@j4ff4c3ks1]

"If this isn't the coolest early high capacity pistol you've seen, i need to know about it" Well, you made videos about the Guycot and the Colette Gravity pistol, those were cool in their own right, although this one's actually practical :p

[@stevenboelke6661]

Gun Jesus brings us another bizarre early 20th century pistol. I love this shit

[@ADRay1999]

It looks like an oversized lighter

[@maximilianfranz2158]

Andrew Dalton Ray man, you are everywhere!

[@ADRay1999]

TheFriendlyAR-15 in5.56: I guess I’ll be the next Justin y.

[@maximilianfranz2158]

Andrew Dalton Ray hmm, dont now him.

[@ADRay1999]

TheFriendlyAR-15 in5.56: Justin y. Is another KZbinr who has been commenting more than I have and believe me he too is everywhere. Here is his channel: m.kzbin.info/door/iTfB-A55Vq2fB610vaWJVA

[@maximilianfranz2158]

Andrew Dalton Ray he comments even gun related things?

[@bandpassmess]

That is the most interesting pistol I’ve ever seen . The double stack was ahead of the curve the amount of ammo is unthinkable back then .

[@ridgecrestvideo]

looking at the operation, I think the "disconnector" is an auto sear, and this is a machine pistol. If the slide cams it down each cycle, and the trigger is held back, it fires full auto till you release the trigger like a sub gun. probably even more collectable than described.

[@luislongoria6621]

Sear engagement is how triggers are "tuned", which might have the undesirable effect of rendering them NOT drop safe. Factory triggers tend to be long in the tooth so things don't get bumpy

[@kimheaston7574]

I have really enjoyed the views of late 19th century and early 20tt century semi-automatic pistols. So many have this steam punk aura. So many ideas and innovations. It is really interesting to see how many features are retained by modern pistols and how the early developments lead to the modern semi-automatic guns. Keep up the cool stuff like this.

[@enzoonymus3084]

Nothing is made so well these days.That pistol is a work of art and ingenuity. Beauty.

[@Forkuh]

“Only holds 18 rounds, which is still more than any modern service pistol” FN 5-7 HAS ENTERED THE CHAT

[@austinm.9832]

But it's got two of em'

[@Skidracer21]

Five-seveN is not a modern service pistol as such, it's frankly a bit too boutique even compared to its P90 relative.

[@kamikazemelon787]

what military uses FiveseveN as a service pistol?

[@boffloff6745]

@@kamikazemelon787 the Belgian army does

[@gingergorilla695]

@@kamikazemelon787 Mexican army does

[@phille042]

Awesome video as always Ian! I just wanted you to know that the letter "å" is pronounced like the french word "eau", or a bit like the english word "oh". It's truly an amazing piece of kit that gun! It would be amazing to see you fire it and tell us how it feels. Just thinking about the somewhat awkward grip position and sights. Keep it up, sir!

[@R3DE3MER]

i thought it was April 1st again cause he said 50 and an extra mag of 25. thonk > "how you git dat gun full of boolet?"

[@Jose-kb6nc]

"all i had to do iz put too boolet squars on it an it workd"

[@peka2478]

i suggest you to watch?v=6i-nMWgBUp0 - where Aperture Labs explain how to get more bullet per bullet.

[@raskolnikovsghost2701]

@OP I really like your particular use of the Norwegian language. Beautifully said my friends.

[@starsiegeRoks]

@Soviet who Cuts ORKS?!?!? FOR THE EMPORER! CHARGE!

[@Kari-tu3fs]

Now naming it the “Hollywood gun”.

[@bobjones5674]

"This is the safety that likes to move around a bit" :\

[@reyalsnogard8289]

It almost seems like it has drifted into our reality, through some tear in the fabrics of time and alternate reality, ..... almost steampunkish !

[@fardass3535]

if you think this is other worldly and steampunkish check out his video on the g11

[@vizzy61]

Eh, the G11 doesn't feel nearly as steampunk-y

[@fardass3535]

@@vizzy61 did you not see the internals?

[@vizzy61]

I have seen the nightmare like internals of the G11. I stand by what I said.

[@000Mazno000]

If this guy had just used a more conventional caliber and didn't do the stupid double magazine thing this gun could have just been ~15-20 rounds of something close to 9x19 and way ahead of its time

[@Kennethah81]

I totally agree. This is a good example of trying too hard.

[@charlesprichard5235]

It's a bit weird because it seems like just a little reworking would have made it work

[@feedthemeat543f]

@@charlesprichard5235 People may shit on 22 lr but at least it's Decently capable of killing. The rounds this thing uses look like they'd be largely ineffective for anything but shots to the head.

[@dustyrussell6939]

But if youve got that many rounds in the gun it doesnt matter that theyre that small.

[@elioliver9554]

It could've been the 5-7

[@alexandruianu8432]

Wow, double double stacks... BTW Pronunciation is close to Soon-Goard. (or soon-gourd depending how you pronounce gourd)

[@ryand6312]

Alexandru Ianu week old comment on a vid that came out today....

[@KarlfMjolnir]

Ryan D because he probably helped put it in or had a link to check for errors before it went public.

[@M0torsagmannen]

could also be pronounced "soon-gore", depending on dialect

[@Elwould23]

Ryan, patreons get access to videos a week in advance.

[@Jose-kb6nc]

Back to the Future

[@RalphReagan]

That grip angle seems weird

[@owllymannstein7113]

I suspect it is designed to the odd single handed grip common in those days where the elbow and wrist are bent in opposite directions.

[@ChoChan776]

@@owllymannstein7113 you also have to have a derby hat and cigar in your mouth while firing

[@owllymannstein7113]

@Cho Chan and your left hand in your back pocket or waistband

[@rwrp]

It’s custom made for that guy from barge Walking Dead who does not know how to aim a revolver.

[@OutlawPrince45]

Disposable chopstick is my new favorite firearm disassembly tool, lol! Great video as always, I would totally buy a version of this gun made for modern ammo. It would make a perfect plinker.

[@brentchambers511]

I have this exact gun. It’s a joy. My eyes aren’t what they used to be and I have trouble with the narrow sights but I still love it.

[@agbond003]

Man, if you would have this video a little earlier, it might have made it into Battlefield 1... Perfect little automatic pistol

[@murphy7801]

Lol, I can imagine Devs rummaging through Ian's vids for ideas.

[@DarkestVampire92]

Hindsight tips for norwegian military trials: 1: Drop the silly double magazine thing 2: Make the cartridge more potent 3: Lock the breech Instant adoption given the only thing speaking against the Colt was that it wasnt Norwegian made...

[@sthenzel]

#2 like: Keep the diameter of the bullet, but double bullet weight (by adding a little length and a pointy tip) and lengthen the case to 25mm? Still 25rds per mag, but with a lot more potential. Suddenly the FiveSeven is reduced to being just a mere copy...

[@MrCh0o]

Yeah, but body armor wasn't really a thing back then, so why have a FiveSeven ahead of the time when it became actually needed?

[@zewise1]

What an incredible piece of engineering

[@rickburrows4304]

I really enjoy every episode I watch and marvel at the ingenuity of the engineers that design these creations.

[@jamesmanning7510]

That's pretty amazing. I sure would like to see this beauty on the range.

[@yahwehskid4819]

Got to love the minds of those old gunsmith's they were mechanical geniuses!

[@ulvemann43]

Quick note for future reference. If you come across anything from scandinavia with the letter å, it's pronounciation is akin to the way the "o" is pronounced in "oh"

[@koettfaers]

ScrubSoba nej, verkligen inte. hur kan "ååå" låta som engelska "oh" i ditt huvud?

[@nickdaveNDM]

Whoa! I was sure the barrel was pinned to the frame! I was surprised on disassembly. What an awesome design

[@jakeb.7997]

The more I look at this gun the more I’m infinitely fascinated by it. I just love the unique look of the weapon :3

[@marvindebot3264]

"oh that must be rare, the kind of thing that fi . . . yup, we at fireplace guy's" This is another early pistol I'd buy a reproduction of. The list is getting longer and no bugger makes any of them.

[@williamprince1114]

Did designer Sunngard design any other firearms?

[@beelz5932]

I hope so.

[@ofoten7054]

yes he tried to design a machine gun, He was better at hunting weapons :)

[@ncismugerian8993]

Me: can we get a luger? Mom: no we have luger at home. The luger at home: ...

[@g-yoshi9275]

Lmao bruh

[@XH1927]

One thing I learned really quickly when I was tinkering with guns, pistolsmithing, and studying small arms history was that guns may very well be the only marketing sector that is almost completely immune to rule of cool. It also is one of the few sectors where end users are actually acutely aware of concerns like logistics and design compromise. Lots of people want to make a cool new cartridge that will change ballistics as we know them... until no one wants to buy an oddball expensive cartridge when there's 10,000,000,000 rounds of .45 and 9x19 out there already. And here we see that the novelty of having 50 rounds onboard in a handgun, remarkable as that was, especially in that time period, does not trump more utilitarian concerns like cartridge performance, mechanical reliability, and awkward ergonomics.

[@garrysmith5562]

Stop trying to sound like an expert. You probably just read a bit about guns and call that studying and pistolsmithing.

[@Megazoid-my7cp]

Happy if you've shown it in a range for a test shot.

[@user-ns3vs3bp3e]

Serious question is it quicker to eject the mag slide the second forward or just load a fresh mag from the belt? I honestly think with training it can’t be that different and you get higher power rounds (albeit fewer rounds) per mag in the more standard semi automatics of the period

[@Robert-qm7yi]

123 456 I think the intention was to drop the first, reload from the belt and then you still have one left on the gun if you somehow still need to shoot

[@Sarlacc_]

How are you supposed to load that rear mag?

[@moehoward01]

Sarlac Watch the video again.

[@wastool]

Robert I think your exactly right. Plus where are you putting the empty magazine if you didn't plus one from the belt? You can't just drop it on the ground, that would be ludacris.

[@wastool]

Sarlac Disassemble the gun then load it. If you need to load it, you also need to clean it. So your taking it apart anyway.

[@marttimattila9561]

Amazing inventor that Sungard, rough and frustrating life like inventors usualy have.

[@Skarfar90]

What a cool little pistol from the early days. Hell it even came with a threaded barrel. Imagine if suppressors were a thing back then! The only other pistols I can think of that are relatively high capacity are the following: * Beretta M92 - 15 rounds (standard), up to 32 with extended magazine - 9x19mm * Glock 17/18/19 - 17 rounds (standard), up to 33 with extended magazine, or 50 with a drum mag - 9x19mm * FN Five-seveN - 20 rounds, or 30 with extended magazine - 5.7x28mm * Tec-9 - 32 rounds (standard), or up to 72 rounds with a drum mag - 9x19mm

[@skypieper]

That little thing is awesome. Wish they still made em.

[@fin_jan]

It IS the coolest early high capacity pistol I have ever seen.

[@Paxmax]

Rumor has it that the military pre-tests for this gun is not yet finished due to the unfortunate technical stipulation that 500 times provided full magazine capacity must be performed... somewhere in Norway there is an old test engineer still pounding away, round for round trying to end the test cycle... severely arthritic.

[@sethkey8157]

It's like a pmr-30, one of my favorites. And I can contest, hitting a phone book sized target at 30 yards with .22 mag three times, is three times easier than hitting it once with a .45 acp bowling ball launcher.

[@xxIONBOMBxx]

Finally an example of "reloading your sidearm is faster than switching guns"

[@aidanpysher2764]

That thing looks both absolutely minuscule and enormous at the same time. The innovation of this era is to weapons as the 1980s were to computers - just absolutely revolutionary.

[@erlandjohansen7195]

Greetings from Norway! The pronounciation is something like "sounngawr" with ou like in "you" and aw like in "awe". Also remember to roll the 'r' ;)

[@sadwingsraging3044]

And they say Welsh is the language spoken in Cthulhu..... At least the Welsh didn't have the umlaut things to twist the mind into a pretzel. ;-)

[@anthonycoffee7683]

My kind of design! I love seeing these designs with innovation, even if they are outside of the conventional “wisdom” of the day. It’s like why aren’t there more double stack magazines if the design existed that far back? More bullets the better in the gun if you can make them fit! If you know about more of these type guns, I am always interested in seeing how they are put together! My career is in Aerospace but I do appreciate good engineering wherever I see it!

[@stormthrush37]

Remember, it's always faster to load your reserve magazine than insert a new one.

[@braydenh190]

Norwegian pistols tend to be quite square.

[@nightfuryyassamaru1683]

Yet somehow manage to not look like legos. (Glock, take notes)

[@norwegiannightmare8843]

They’re modeled after Norwegian jaw lines

[@baronofbahlingen9662]

KainetheWusky Norwegian people are quite square

[@chuckcochran8599]

Really a unique design. In a lot of ways, it was ahead of its time with those dual purpose features.

[@matthewmchenry2889]

Interesting weapon. It is clear why it couldn't make it as a general service weapon, but it still seems to carry significant features.

[@Steel-Rain]

It seems like the second magazine cannot be removed from the pistol (or am I mistaken)? If so, How would you re/load the second magazine before/during usage?

[@Kraakesolv]

Steel Rain You are mistaken, it is removable.

[@Steel-Rain]

Kraakesolv but it appears to be physically attached to the pistol by the wire.

[@GrimReefer1983]

It is. You have to disasseble the gun to load the second magazine.

[@Pugiron]

I sure wouldn't trust that magazine system in combat after firing twenty five rounds

[@Puckosar]

The Å letter makes a sound similar to an O, not an A. The word gård is pronounced very similarly to the english word gourd, like the plant.

[@Squossifrage]

No, the D is silent.

[@Bearthedancingman]

If I was the military, I would have looked at this and told him to do a bit of redesign. 1: only one magazine in the gun. 2: forward canted shorter handle if possible (the magazine could tilt back slightly within a forward tilted grip) 3: three extra magazines in the holster for a total of 100 rounds. 4: lengthen case from 19mm to 22mm and up bullet from 27 grain to 35 grain. (Overall cartridge length from 23mm to 28mm) 5: maybe add a select fire switch.

[@JamesFromTexas]

Finally a pistol with enough ammo for suppressive fire.

[@incapableunicorn8252]

Hg = Hektogram, 1 Hektogram = 100 grams. So 7.2 Hg = 720 grams.

[@MultiArrie]

the fist time I ever seen Hg used, outside school. 0.72 Kg makes more sense.

[@robrocksea]

@@MultiArrie 720 Grams makes even better sense

[@EdwardOskarsson]

Yeah Hektos are still used in Norway, but it's about as usefull as farenheit.

[@panchemist]

@@EdwardOskarsson still. a decimal unit.

[@KonradSeverinHilstad]

@@EdwardOskarsson literally only used for buying candy in loose weight, lol.

[@leMercenaire667]

"I know what you're thinking, did he fire 50 shots or only 49?"

[@tomhorn6156]

Thank you from Norway, teaching us. Thanks,love it the insights to enginering .the way from vikings to NSM or JSM. Nice stuff all.

[@AlexNaanou]

Am I getting this correctly? ...to load the second mag you have to remove the slide? =) ...if so it seems to function mainly as a backup

[@FINNIUSORION]

With the front and rear magazines not being identical it seems like more effort than just keeping a couple extra in your pocket.

[@cpmtrad250]

Best channel ever brother, keep the beautiful history coming.👍👍👏👏👏

[@engeenir7440]

But how do you load with cartridges the hooked mag when its empty??? Please I need to know. Do you need to remove the slide?

[@The-lr4zo]

Shouldn't be *that* hard to remove...

[@Roger_Stenning]

I'd imagine one of the reasons they rejected this weapon would have been from a safety point of view. With the rear magazine retained by that hook, it would have made Proving Clear a major headache, as in the military (certainly, the British Military), proving clear, that is, completely emptying a weapon of both ammunition and magazines, and then locking back the bolt, slide, or action is often the only way a weapon may be passed from one person to another, for example, when handing a weapon back into an armoury. (I'm a former qualified Range Conducting Officer for the-then Territorial Army, what's now known as the Army Reserve).

[@Roger_Stenning]

I don't believe that it would be acceptable in any army, conscripted or not. That's the point.

[@neetard7360]

Honestly I think this design should've been looked into further Feels like a lot of potential could've been had given someone followed this vein of design Firearms history could've been a lot different if designs like this got looked into imo

[@CallioNyx]

This will probably be lost due to being so long after the video was made, but Harald Sunngård had ordered ammunition from Eley, but they only delivered the casings, so he had to load the cases himself. He tried getting Raufoss Ammunition factory to make them but they were unsatisfactory. (They've behind the various fancy high quality ammunitions you see today, so they got better.) If you really do want to make your own bullets, this page - from the Kongberg ammunition factory's history group - shows the exact measurements plus a picture. www.kvf.no/vaapen.php?type=Ammo&weaponid=AMM0669

[@ThatHungryAfricanChild]

Mom can we get some -food- *1911* on the way home? Mom: we have -food- *1911* at home

[@kievanrus9434]

Sunngard was given hazey visions of modern(future) design.. either by interdimensionals in the aether... or by ETs. Then he sets about engineering a gun. He got the double stack mag and hi cap no problem. He took a normal pistol grip and swept it the other direction. He put the controls in an ergonomic spot for a right hander based on some hazey visions of SIGs. He took the small caliber concept from five seven and pmr and it had babies with the anemic blowback cartridges of the day. He got the striker fire from glock. Trouble is, during design he was toasted on absinthe and laudanum... We wound up with an interesting piece ahead of its time with an uncomfortable grip and unadoptable caliber.

[@ADd-zp7mk]

Amazing pistol for it's time

[@VonGrav]

Slighty better than the previous one? xD

[@JerryEricsson]

Every once in awhile I have the desire to revisit some of my favorite guns, this one, while not on my must have list is intriguing that said, I wonder if it were not meant to have first the front mag emptied, then the extra mag from the holster, and at last the back "reserve" magazine for those awe shit moments when you absolutely need to shoot that fellow 75 times with a very anemic round, one of those "if you ever shoot me with one of those, and I find out about it...,"

[@spockspock]

I can see how the magazine release could be activated while firing… lots of innovation makes reliable guns.

[@DashRendar308]

Thats a cool gun. So the rear magazine is basically an internal magazine, which you can only load, when its in the forward position, with the slide locked back and via the ejection port I assume? Or do you have to disassemble the gun in order to load it?

[@wtwarrior7698]

If he gave up on the dual magazine idea he would have plenty of space for multiple calibers while making the grip more confertable, very cool pistol

[@rizaradri316]

I want that gun

[@jamesbulldogmiller]

Rizar Adri Me too

[@scottmcdivitt2187]

It would be a wonder for plinking or small game.