Lesson 3: How Many People were on Titanic?

[@TitanicUniversity]

STOWAWAYS One of the big counterarguments always has been stowaways. But let me address how difficult it was to successfully be on aboard a ship in 1912. There weren't too many ways to get aboard without being noticed. Titanic had five gangways at Southampton open for passengers and crew on April 10, and they were never unguarded by the crew. They needed to check off boarding passengers and fellow crew members, plus 3rd class were required to go through health checks. All other ports had less available ways to board ship. But first and second class passengers could have friends and family board with them to see them off. Lawrence Beesley had a friend tour Titanic with him. While they needed to leave by "All ashore!" was called, it could happen they didn't leave (and then would be required to pay passage.) But where would you hide? Stewards knew how many passengers were in their sections and which cabins were unoccupied and locked those cabins. The body of Steward Cave had a passenger list to prove that. Many had keys. All areas that were off-limits to passengers were locked off and crew were assigned to make rounds and see that all was well in those areas around the clock. It was tough to hide on Titanic. Don't get me started on food. If you wanted to eat in a dining saloon you needed to present your dining room ticket which had your table number and number of passengers. This was true for all classes. THEN you have to think about how to sneak off Titanic when she reaches New York...

[@eccentricgamer4111]

No stowaways, huh? Not even any Serbian nationalists who may have played a role in triggering World War I? (To anyone who gets this reference, your childhood was awesome.)

[@AlexandruCarjan]

Great arguments. Sadly not everybody thinks about how they could sneak on Titanic or don't know the rutines of the ship and stuarts. I knew some of these points but now I see it was even stricter, so yeah it was pretty much impossible.

[@TitanicUniversity]

@@eccentricgamer4111 the one exception.

[@NorthWestern1919]

@@eccentricgamer4111 Nope. No stowaways, who kept books in coal bunkers.

[@NorthWestern1919]

I'm not trying to challenge your arguments, as I agree with them. I just have a question. I remember from Titanic: Honor and Glory's documentary about the SS Atlantic that there were stowaways aboard, during her last voyage. How did they get aboard? Why were they stupid enough to think that they could hide aboard a White Star Line ship?

[@jacobrobson8920]

That picture of the Goodwin family breaks my heart every time I see it.

[@rothgamez]

This was humbling. You're right. It's not about knowledge on a subject. It's about understanding that those numbers were human lives, and remembering while also honoring them. I will never again happily recite those figures in a "I know what I'm talking about" manner.

[@brianbommarito3376]

Phil Gowan was interviewed for the documentary “Save the Titanic with Bob Ballard.” (2012, National Geographic). Mr. Gowan died in 2018. I was sorry to hear about his death. The community of Titanic historians and enthusiasts are certainly indebted to him for his work and his contribution to finally getting the numbers right.

[@TheCAFProduction]

Finally! The numbers are figured out! I've been wondering this for years. Thanks, Matt. These poor souls will never be forgotten.

[@SisterWomen]

Thoughtful and lovely. Also, I could watch these all day. High production value for a sideproject. Wonderful all around.

[@dalcon555]

It's always been the human story that really sits with me after all this time with the Titanic

[@edenmoon8275]

I have been living on a diet of Titanic history for so long. I live in Southampton so I guess it's close to me. The film Titanic caused a stir here in Southampton and it was all people thought about. I was reading the paper one day and someone had written a letter stating they were fed up with hearing about Titanic and could everyone just shut up about it now. Me, being so invested emotionally with the history, wrote in to the paper in reply and told this person how disrespectful they were being and that tragic loss of life to Southampton families still was being felt today. I do get very emotional when it comes to history LOL. I am enrolling myself at your Titanic University and look forward to more videos.

[@Randomstuffs261]

Everyone tells me that their great grandparent was onboard

[@Quasihamster]

Sure! Didn't you know Titanic really sank from being overloaded because of everyone and their great-great-grandmother was on board?

[@SQUAREHEADSAM1912]

Randomstuffs216 I’ve heard a ton of people say that too, just begging for attention. Such disrespectful, there using victims of the tragedy to get a short burst of online attention.

[@nerdothn892]

My grandfather was on the Titanic and after that fought in ww1 and 2 also wrestled with 3 bears at the same time and won without being wounded. Not only that he took out 3 nazi battalions all by himself

[@Randomstuffs261]

@@nerdothn892 My Grandfather was a bear and one day he was minding his own business with his 2 other bear friends when he was wrestled to the ground by a war veteran

[@nerdothn892]

@@Randomstuffs261 a war veteran who took down 3 nazi battalions on his own that is

[@mesner5x]

All the years I've been fascinated by the Titanic. I was ignorant to the exact number of people who were lost, the faces and stories of those people that ended when the ship went down. I am very grateful of the work everyone working on Honor and Glory for telling these stories and reminding us the scale of this tragedy.

[@frankydman]

Not going to lie; for the longest time the number I always accepted were 2228 aboard with 705 survivors and 1523 lost; this will take some getting used to after so many years. Thank you for sharing.

[@CzechMirco]

The same goes with me but with the numbers 2221, 705 and 1516.

[@SQUAREHEADSAM1912]

Exactly the Same here, know I know the real numbers. I always thought it was 2228, 705, 1523.

[@matthewthedford2041]

I thought it was 2223, 706, and 1517

[@Truecrimeresearcher224]

That's why Titanic will live forever. To this day we are sill learning new things it's been over 100 years and we still learn new things

[@pauls8079]

Can you possibly make three different videos, talking about 1st, 2nd and 3rd class life, spaces on the ship and some of the people in each class?

[@adrianghandtchi1562]

Well I can’t wait for that discussion on linoleum tiles that you mentioned in the beginning about trivial details. Especially from movie misconceptions.

[@AndyDuphresne]

Except the movie was 100% accurate when it came to the floors

[@thecunarder7297]

Great job covering this important subject on the Titanic.

[@ShadowXII]

6:25 - Patrick O'Keefe? That's my family's ancestral name. I must look into this!

[@umpoucodetudo3740]

@Railfan 765 lool

[@Richardsonprincess00]

That's a mystery of those passengers who survived on Titanic of this count or dead even missing, to say the least.

[@nathanhudson-young2460]

You guys are absolutely right, we need to remember their names, all of them.

[@ormapa1206]

Great content keep up with the work.

[@kipter]

Good thinking on the part of that fireman

[@dognadoes]

Thank you for this video today. I needed some non-coronavirus material today

[@ShadowXII]

This is going to be an amazing reference channel. Please continue fill this channel with the mountains of researched data you have; I'll keep sharing.

[@YgorCortes]

Damn, this was emotional 😢 RIP to all of them!

[@KolourfulGurl]

Thank you for this! I've been trying to do research and have been so confused by everyone having different numbers for this!

[@QuentenOller]

Man you are spot on with this and all those men, women, and children should be remembered in the history of Titanic.

[@morecrapforputdowns]

Please do a video about the animals on the Titanic!

[@SQUAREHEADSAM1912]

2208, I swear I always remember since I was a kid the number was 2228. Oh, well, I must have just misremembered.

[@rothgamez]

You're not alone on that number. I used to think it was 2,228. Then it changed to 2,280. Now of course we know the right number.

[@TitanicUniversity]

I used to believe in the 705 and 1523. Part of researching is accepting new, verifiable knowledge as fact.

[@SQUAREHEADSAM1912]

Titanic University same here Matt, I use to think the same until I found thg about 2 years, I knew a lot to begin with, thg and your channel have given me so much more info, thanks. See ya next vid

[@operationyellowknife3721]

@@rothgamez I thought it was 2,224.

[@rothgamez]

@@operationyellowknife3721 I think I heard that number floating around at one point too

[@cat-a-tonic150]

Beautifully done. Thanks Matt.

[@AlexandruCarjan]

I love these videos, they really are what a true documentary or historical video should be: facts, numbers, lists, sources. I know this is the aim of this channel but the videos even though short, they have a lot of information. So far at the begining general known things about Titanic, which most probably know, but can still learn new things ( I certainly have) from these general facts about Titanic. I can't wait for the lesser known things about the ship, maybe crew and other stories related to the Titanic :) Also there are a lot of photos of the ship or places related to Tianic that I see for the first time here on the channel :)

[@willhammers9761]

I subscribed... I like your Channel. Keep it up and you're going to get big numbers

[@Truecrimeresearcher224]

To this day the loss of the Titanic and the men, women, and children who died will live on forever as we continue to tell the story of the night

[@secretsmysteries8338]

Beautiful video. If anyone dislikes I'll deal with the hater myself! The lists are lives.

[@Magdalene777]

There were apparently a few people travelling under fake names. Prior to 1915 the British didn't have photo passports. Other forms of identification also didn't have photos, such as a birth or baptismal certificate. People could use fake or forged documents more easily. I think this was another reason for some of the confusion about who passengers were or whether they were on the ship.

[@Mr2013Drew]

Another awesome video

[@epsxik3870]

This is great, I love to learn all all the passengers and appreciate them. Could you maybe do something on the fashion for women and men????

[@Richardsonprincess00]

Only on first or second classes, with the first class change outfits six times of the status, even second class quite changed clothes a few times (knowing half of them are rich or in the middle class) third-class ended up with hand downs clothes dressing modestly only different clothes for one time of the day.

[@epsxik3870]

@@Richardsonprincess00 I already know that type of stuff, I just like to learn over again about the fashion and maybe learn some new things

[@Richardsonprincess00]

@@epsxik3870 thinking someone will do this 1910's fashion.

[@epsxik3870]

@@Richardsonprincess00 what do you mean, are you getting smart

[@paulhudson8321]

Still a sad and tragic story after over a hundred years.

[@NHLinden]

Thank you please keep making more

[@Dumderg]

I watched this when it was unlisted

[@laitostarr777]

Excellent research, now we know the exact numbers

[@Lillimelight]

Thank you for this!!

[@Xander_Zimmermann]

You are a man of good morals, thank you.

[@skeleton_keys]

Thank you for this.

[@danieljaymeshansel5086]

@titanicuniversity will you be doing a video about the breakup? Obviously many different theories out there, but only a few are plausible

[@davidschmitt2190]

There is an offical Report from the British Parliament from the same Year Titanic had sink, the Numbers from the Report are: 2224 Passengers Total, 710/711 Survivors and 1514 Death Passengers, thats it.

[@christopheryazzie65]

I think we will never know the EXACT number of passengers who were aboard the Titanic. If I recall reading upon a text, some people sneaked on the Titanic or some smuggled ppl aboard. I think the exact number of passengers and crew is a mystery. But I still enjoyed this video

[@TitanicUniversity]

We do. Please see the pinned comment above about how stowaways were impossible by 1912. The company guarded against it as it lost them money.

[@dougross51]

So the plan is to watch Titanic University during this current emergency which has some Titanic in this emergency along with reading, writing fictional stuff, watching docs and listening to theme songs! And maybe making my 11th Titanic video!

[@D3cyTH3r]

Sounds like you guys have really done your research. Have you tried updating Wiki?

[@AIFInfantrymen]

also do not forget the 12 Dog who where on broad, in which only 3 survived

[@TitanicUniversity]

They will get their own video eventually.

[@smileygirl6710]

@@TitanicUniversity I cant wait for that particular video :)

[@puterboy2]

I thought Harold Sanderson was the first passenger,

[@jwillow2642]

on a titanic website it says crew members 908, also by looking & writing how it looks on all life boats they seemed to have just over 30 passengers in each 16 life boats and there's 4 other life boats labelled A, B, C, D any idea what they mean ?

[@christinabishop2533]

May all that perished that terrible night rest in eternal peace. May the blessed mother comfort them in her bosom. :(

[@davidhyland3833]

Best not to think of it as 2208, rather 2208 ones.

[@juliantotriwijaya9208]

You can't escape math, even here XD lol

[@FutureRailProductions]

Pier 59? That's Titanic's isn't it? Not Carpathia's? I thought Carpathia was Pier 54.

[@TitanicUniversity]

Oops good catch. I mixed them. Thanks!

[@FutureRailProductions]

@@TitanicUniversity you're welcome.

[@mrbeep8096]

Ok so far he is uploading once a week for those of you who don't know. But take this with a grain of salt because I am going on when he uploaded the last 3 videos. Also I am just a subscriber.

[@TitanicUniversity]

Yes every Monday.

[@says101]

YAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY NEW VIDEO FINALLY!

[@pauls8079]

Plus cool vid

[@archevenault]

Why is the video unavaliable on my phone? I want to know, damnit!

[@AndyHappyGuy]

All those people...

[@IntrepidMilo]

Now that you have clarified the correct passenger and crew count of all that were on board. Question. Of those passengers and crew how many were still on board the ship when she finally sank?

[@TitanicUniversity]

It's estimated between 1,519 and 1,535 were aboard when the last lifeboat was successfully launched at 2:05am. wormstedt.com/Titanic/lifeboats/occupancy.pdf

[@IntrepidMilo]

Thank you. But how many were trapped inside the ship when she sank.

[@cliff9685]

Who was the one paying 1st class passenger from Belfast to Southampton?

[@sonicspeedster2684]

I’m just asking would thay let 5 -10 year old boy on the lifeboats??? And also what would happen and thay started making ships how thay did back in 1912???

[@Ellectronica]

Im not the best historian, but its roughly under 16 years of age to get onto a lifeboat, plus women. We also started building boats and ships hundreds of years ago, titanic was build in a large gantry from the keel up.

[@Jermster_91]

Do you happen to know if any of the survivors of the Titanic sinking would later be killed during World War 1 which started 2 years and 3 months after the sinking?

[@julianneale6128]

Nobody ever mentions the fact that by far the greatest loss of life came from Southampton. People from the UK by an immense about were more numerous than anthother nation aboard RMS Titanic.

[@zendrosity5135]

I've always been curious as to what the total capacity for Titanic was? Also, I believed that 2,208 was the actual number, but had the death and saved numbers wrong with 1,503 lost and 705 saved.

[@danielbishop1863]

Various online sources give her total passenger+crew capacity between 3300 and 3547. A lot of people had postponed their travel plans due to the recent coal strike in the UK.

[@SQUAREHEADSAM1912]

The number in the video is correct

[@karlohaze5304]

Show us more how you guys make the game

[@TitanicUniversity]

Wait two weeks.

[@joshprado4353]

Well that’s a neat name “ Patrick IHatecola”

[@Dakshana1]

Have you find the log book of capt E.J Smith

[@codywrasman]

Wow Titanic had a lot of people

[@EWoN625]

Cody Wrasman Indeed.

[@codywrasman]

@@EWoN625 2,208 onboard Titanic

[@EWoN625]

Cody Wrasman Wow.

[@codywrasman]

@@EWoN625 and sadly 1,496 people had died in the Sinking ;(

[@dangerousbrian0]

Just think that if all lifeboats were filled to capacity only 908 people would have died.

[@telecomgear]

I thought Bright told Murdock the number in the movie.

[@Truecrimeresearcher224]

@Railfan 765 it was accurate at the time. The 2012 British mini series is currently the most accurate as they had new information. The 1980s was accurate at the time The 1996 made for tv series was accurate at the time Each incarnation was accurate for the time until more research and data was founf

[@severusgraber5317]

Zeroth! ...wait

[@MrTunapie]

How people were still inside the ship when it sank?

[@Ethan52108]

Nobody knows, but it would be mostly 3rd class passengers Followed by stewards, and a little bit of 2nd class, 1st class and then some crew.

[@SQUAREHEADSAM1912]

Out of the 1400+, probably about 300 hundred or so, is my best guess, most were probably in the 3rd class general and smoke rm.

[@FreedomLovingLoyalist]

I have edited the wikipedia page to finally put the debate of how many passenger were on titanic to 2,208 people. your very welcome

[@TitanicUniversity]

I hope it stays that way.

[@FreedomLovingLoyalist]

@@TitanicUniversity NOOOPE 1 day after my edit it was put back into its original inaccurate counting

[@anormalcommentor9452]

@@FreedomLovingLoyalist F

[@SQUAREHEADSAM1912]

Freedom Loving Loyalist I tried to fix some errors too, and the keep turning it back to original for, ‘inaccurate sources’ wtf Wikipedia.

[@FreedomLovingLoyalist]

@@SQUAREHEADSAM1912 IKR

[@imagine4414]

I think Wikipedia needs to change the number from 2208 people on the Titanic instead of 2224.

[@Ion_Petrov]

It changed

[@MrFresco25]

22hundred and 30.

[@SQUAREHEADSAM1912]

*2208

[@ColterDesigns]

How many people could have been saved if all the lifeboats were filled the way they should have been?

[@thejagotishow]

MaxD3 1,178

[@troodon1096]

There wasn't enough for everyone, but had each lifeboat been launched properly at their full rated capacity more than 400 more people could have been saved.

[@thebunkerparodie6368]

what do you think of Aaron1912? kzbin.info/www/bejne/sIDdlp2qmNWYg9E I think he's at least "c** mais insistant,et insistant ,'est une qualité,même quand on est c**" (in french beause it sounded better for me)

[@SQUAREHEADSAM1912]

Aaron (the tinfoil hat man) makes up and changes survivors testimonies, so his “information” is not correct.

[@heatherchandler724]

Hi

[@davinp]

Due to poor record-keeping and many passengers canceling at the last minute, we do not have an accurate number of people on board or how many died in the sinking. Also, not everyone's body was recovered from the ocean

[@TitanicUniversity]

We have an accurate record of the number of people aboard due to proper record-keeping.

[@richardolivieri6484]

Where there any stowaways ?

[@TitanicUniversity]

One of the big counterarguments always has been stowaways. There weren't too many ways to get aboard without being noticed. Titanic had five gangways at Southampton open for passengers and crew on April 10, and they were never unguarded by the crew. They needed to check off boarding passengers and fellow crew members, plus 3rd class were required to go through health checks. All other ports had less available ways to board ship. But first and second class passengers could have friends and family board with them to see them off. Lawrence Beesley had a friend tour Titanic with him. While they needed to leave by "All ashore!" was called, it could happen they didn't leave (and then would be required to pay passage.) But where would you hide? Stewards knew how many passengers were in their sections and which cabins were unoccupied and locked those cabins. The body of Steward Cave had a passenger list to prove that. Many bodies had keys. All areas that were off-limits to passengers were locked off and crew were assigned to make rounds and see that all was well in those areas around the clock. It was tough to hide on Titanic. If you wanted to eat in a dining saloon you needed to present your dining room ticket which had your table number and number of passengers. This was true for all classes. THEN you have to think about how to sneak off Titanic when she reaches New York...

[@sonnydelight5737]

Imagine having to show who you were when you got to America. How racist is that.

[@lava_lps717]

FIRST

[@Ellectronica]

Actually, you're second.