Lessons in Magecraft 14 - Homunculi

[@otakudaikun]

Two questions for my students. 1. Should homunculi be afforded the same rights as humans? 2. Due to their various defects, should the creation of homunculi be banned altogether?

[@hydrasfang]

Homunculi should if made to have a purpose be left to the job the job they are made for like guarding a place or object or help with working in a library or archive after being made aware of right from wrong and what should and shouldn't be done in certain situations. But if made to be weapons for battle or war should always be watched over because of what they could and possibly would go through in a fight(s). As for whether they should be created or not I'm not sure because if you ban homunculi what about familiars where does the line stop between the two at certain points and or times?

[@fourkings7968]

For the second point, I think Homunculi could be the salvation of dying Mage families, if allowed to be fertile and given full rights with full autonomy. A Mage that was infertile or otherwise incapable of producing an Heir could theoretically use their own genetic material to create a powerful Homunculus in their image, and pass their Crest onto their creation. Even if this eventually resulted in a lineage of purely Homunculi, I believe for many this may be an acceptable price to pay to keep their legacy and knowledge alive.

[@parkermaisterra8532]

1. I think that Homunculi off all makes should be treated with some level of care, respect and even a tiny level of caution no matter what purpose they were designed and created for. Depending on the level of sentience and intelligence (as well as their ability to increase both) they should *at the very least* have fundamental rights similarly to animals like say canines who are used in a variety of different fields across history and even today. When it comes to much more intelligent and clearly sentient homunculi who are nearly impossible to tell apart from regular human then they should have the same rights as humans 2. I do not believe so, I believe it is possible for the process and creation of homunculi can be ironed out, possibly even perfected. To leave an art and science like that completely banned I feel is ignorant. Besides many of the Homunculi we adore and love can be categorized as "defected" yet we are happy that they were brought into existence.

[@wolfynightwolf]

1. Heck yea 2 I think so since they could still be happy even if their defects. So no their making shouldn't be banned

[@anubisgodess2353]

1. I believe they should have at least the right to be able to make decisions know the ways of right and wrong they were creating a world that have these rules and for them to just be used as tools is already in fair enough giving them some form of understanding to grab hold will make their purposes even more meaningful. 2.Homunculi are are a part of mage craft getting rid of them would be erasing the entire craft due to their defects it is cruel but that is the mission of us Mages to try and find a solution so that we can bring them in a more humane way and to perfect our Mage craft that is the challenge that is given to us. We will never find success without the errors and we must learn from them and do our best to correct them or to be better.

[@GoldLight73]

I think the fact that homunculi like Fran and Mephi can be recorded into the Throne of Heroes, speaks volumes about their humanity.

[@Solqueen86]

at the end they still loved their creators...But their creators were assholes and knew man kind isn't the same

[@GoldLight73]

@@Justic_ I mean, Asterios is technically half-human, so I think he gets a pass. Gorgon though... Well, isn't she only summonable because of Anna? Or am I mistaken on that?

[@lolbots686]

@@Justic_ also technicly if sieg dies he would be a servant. i would see him as a rider as he can shift into fafnir to take flight or as a caster due to siegs inherent knack for magecraft

[@lolbots686]

Actually fgo solves this,with siegs servant form being a caster,able to both use magecraft with his fighting skills,with his noble phantasm being using the full might of the evil dragon fafnir

[@zombieblood1675]

"The idea of any one homunculus surviving over 2 decades is but a pipe dream." Laughs in immortal cardboard.

[@tonyinfinite5174]

He's a cheater he ate heroic spirits to get his lifespan increase

[@Solqueen86]

Didn't mephy like served Faust till his old age?

[@Solqueen86]

Yggdmillennia and Einzbern: *Drop dead to short life spam after spending most of their lives serving those that treat them as objects Mephistopheles, Fran and Mordred: Screw that noise! *Kills their fathers and dies*

[@Lemuel928]

Good thing Fran has a writing board.

[@ericgarcia3802]

The problems for homunculi rest with the fact that, majority of magus' who can make them tend to be absolute jerks, especially Jubstacheit, Victor, Morgen and Gordes (at least before he was vibe checked). Then again it's not like there are any other magus who wouldn't misuse them, since most magus are again jerks. That being said, Mordred is best Homuncul-Knight

[@ron2millionare972]

I love that you mentioned Fate/Strange Fake and Fate/Requiem.

[@Solqueen86]

When Mephistopheles is the most developed Homunculi, out lasted Knights, Yggdmillennia, Fran and the Einzbern just by playing house wife for a number of years.

[@NekoKat.]

Thoroughly enjoyed the lesson. Part of me wants to say yes all homunculi should be afforded the same rites as humans. While another part of me thinks that only homunculi like Sieg and Illya should be given rites since those few truely exceptional homunculi show true human spirit and have a will of there own. While I don't think the creation of homunculi should be band altogether I do feel that there should be regulations that dictate what a homunculi can and can't be created for.

[@GnosisZX]

Genetically there human so they are human to anyone with a brain

[@NekoKat.]

@@GnosisZX while I do admit that human genetic material is used in the creation of homunculi. It's only the genetic material of one human combined with an advanvenced alcemical process that creates them. Therefore I would argue that homunculi are not entirely human. While they are given consciousness and intelligents but that is so they are able to carry out the tasks that they were created.

[@GnosisZX]

@@NekoKat. genetically they are human and thus they are human the only bit is that they add magic circuits of phantasmal beasts from what I heard I’m guessing low end phantasmal beasts as mages will never risk having a homunculus of higher magic power than themselves considering the sort of control freaks they are And probably that’s the reason for there gold fish life spans putting something of another species that has no business being in the human body

[@jakethereaper2060]

im legit learning more from these lessons in magecraft more than from actual school

[@appliepi]

The Einzberns: Spend countless years trying to create a homunculus capable of doing what they want it to do. Only succeed on accident and can't do it again. Morgan: "Oh hey look, my sister has a penis". Creates a homunculus with the raw power of a dragon. On a different note, Iri could sort of be considered Mordred's step-grandmother, through Artoria and Shirou's relationship. I'm pretty sure Iri would love that, and Mordred would get a positive female parental figure for the first time in like, ever. They could bond over their mutual interest in driving, much to the dismay of anyone else in the car.

[@keiken8263]

Imagine if Shirou instead summoned Mordred that night. Mordred: "Answer me are you my... Step-Mom!?"

[@darylchiu9030]

I just realized something, all this talk of Alchemy and Homunculi and we have yet to hear a Servant Lore about Paracelsus Van Hohenheim himself (largely attributed to FMA). 😊

[@kristinag7621]

Let’s see Seig, Fran, Mephitosphiles, Mordred (best knight), Irisvil, Illiya (technically), Tool (best Yggdermillenia), Rani the 8th, and so many of the other Homunculi are more human than most Mages.

[@ivanbluecool]

Favorite one is illya even if she is half. She is so amazing in every single way especially in HF. Sella and Liz hurt more each year I see them go in ubw. Rani I really like in ccc more than extra. She was quite the joy as a support and very fun with mini Rin. I feel bad for strange fake one that go taken over by Ishtar base as she already dying. Sieg and apoc was ok but fgo sieg is way better and wish he and Fran talked more as they have relate a lot as friends in simialr situations Hollow ataraxia I wish more people read. You can see another one use illyas sprite to talk to bazzet and it's quite interesting as it's basically the third holy grail war but parts like the edefelt sisters. Overall concept is interesting in general when it's handled well especially for illya mvp of hf.

[@aminebachir3394]

Homunculi creation has deteriorated in the modern world, a homunculus created in the age of someone like king Arthur (Mordred, and even then her aging is not natural) doesn't have the same downsides as someone like Sieg(before he got Siegfried's heart) or even Irisviel, and I am sure that a Homunculus created during Gilgamesh's era will be indistinguishable from a human (I'd say even better since the homunculi are considered children of nature, close to a low form of elementals/nature spirits)

[@keiken8263]

Considering the lore, Enkidu was, in fact, technically a homunculus made by gods. So yeah,

[@seriouslycrazy8608]

yggdmillennia clan : UNLIMITED MANPOWER !!!!

[@darkroninmarvel]

sorcerer: What are your reasons to seek the secret of Homunculi...that isn't getting laid [cricket noise] sorcerer: sigh...why do I even bother?

[@Furigou]

I had absolutely no idea that Paracelsus could use the shadow clone jutsu, he's explored very little in FGO and Prototype is...well, Prototype. Anyway, taking a stance on the lives of homunculi would be taking a stance either in favour or against negative eugenetics, that's a really sensitive topic to say the least, teacher! But for a Magus...

[@blastingmaxemes7099]

Breaking news: Local saint and gae paladin is arrested for attempt to sexually assault a local newborn man that has great magical powers and yhe heart of a hero who just keep spamming and screaming “BALMUNG!”

[@SylasReidd777]

My favourite homunculi is of course Sieg, he may not be the most popular, but he was a true hero worthy of Siegfried's heart and Jeanne's love.

[@GnosisZX]

Poor Homunculi have jerk asses for makers if made one I would love him or her as my own kid

[@shahdangalahad698]

Sieg is a Perfect Homunculi, Sieg Ending with Jeanne was so Romantic, Sieg is the most happiness Homunculi in the World.

[@ianlewis523]

Step 1, Learn Alchemy. Step 2, Learn how to prevent Soul Decay or at least repair it. Step 3, make Primarch tier body to house my soul. Step 4, use Primarch tier mind to make better plans.

[@joshs5577]

Step one in this case would actually be “Learn Third True Magic”

[@iceshade2291]

I really love these lesson videos. Sometimes I rewatch them when I work on sewing projects. Very thorough .

[@TaigaXsenpai]

05.00 was Justeaze really that human like?? When she appeared as Illya "second personality " she felt equally emotionless and mindless to other Einzbern homunculi. Similiar to Iri prior being saved by Kiritsugu. She was the same in Fate Apocrypha too

[@TaigaXsenpai]

Sieg is more unique as he was born with emotions. Without being half human like Illya

[@otakudaikun]

Hmm... I’m sure she started like Iri and developed a personality. She just seems more formal to me.

[@forget3100]

I was looking forward to a discussion about Seig's precedence and how such an oversight pretty much makes homunculi mass producible superweapons. After all, if all it took for a throw-away body to become an activatable instant-servant that can be kept far longer than any war was the heart of said heroic spirit.... well, I'm sure I don't need to go into further details for anyone to conclude a very exploitable method of amassing power.

[@forget3100]

@@jkosch Maybe you can't force every heroic spirit to offer themselves with 1 command seal but if it only took 2 to make Saber do something that's against every fiber of her will, and mages have 3. This will expectedly kill the servant so there isn't a point preserving the command seals. As for the case of whether this is specific to Siegfried, I would not expect it to work for all servants, but if there exists one special condition, it leaves a plausibility for others. Even if it'll only work for 1% of heroic spirits in the pool, it's enough of a chance for mages to pursue what's ultimately a permanent heroic spirit. Not to mention it is possible for mages to steer their summon towards a specific kind of heroic spirit, they just need to find said kind.

[@r.d.9623]

Standard einzbern homunculus can live for centuries only modified homunculus made for specialized in a particular area like strength and power like maids from fsn or grail vessels like illya have short lives

[@parkermaisterra8532]

I wonder, if a mage is a paraplegic, cannot move their body (similar to Stephen hawking) or even worse trapped in their own bodies could they control a homunculus similarly to controlling a familiar and feel their sensations?

[@otakudaikun]

I imagine one could instill a homunculus body with ones own soul. After all, Touko Aozaki builds her own dolls to use as replacement bodies.

[@BrianWilkersontheAuthor]

Two decades max huh? Poor illya-chan. She deserves to spend more time with her brother.

[@toxicbergers]

mordred deserved better and is the best homunculi would be cool if they had a fate prototype version of her that doesnt have the short lifespan issue

[@flygonkerel781]

The einzbern homunculi are all hot tho

[@CMTechnica]

True

[@madambutterfly1997]

What if a homunculus won the Grail War but didn't become the grails vessel. I'm going to guess that The homunculus in question would wish for A human lifespan or relative immortality. How old was liya? We know she was older than Shiro and Shiro is like 16 or 17 In all three routes of Fate.

[@Lemuel928]

In the Original Fate Stay Night Timeline,she was 18 years old.

[@keyne444]

That homunculus is Sieg.

[@madambutterfly1997]

@@keyne444 Well he didn't wish on the grail. Dragonification made him immortal.

[@madambutterfly1997]

@@keyne444 Him having the grail on the reverse side of the world just strengthens his immortality tenfold

[@Sativa989]

Another I add to my Typemoon Playlist excellent work.

[@LoliLover36669]

Wait so since despite their adult looks they're actually only a few years or months old. Doesn't that mean Leysritt and Sella are actually not legal? Oh no... *sweats* Edit: Wait how was Kiri able to get away from the FBI?

[@otakudaikun]

It was in germany lol

[@LoliLover36669]

@@otakudaikun Oof- I keep forgetting the Einzberns are from Germany. In fact, back when I was still a weeblet I always thought Illya was Russian because of her Fur Coat and stuff. Only realized she was German when I watched Fate Zero XD

[@joshs5577]

Indeed, Kiritsugu was a sexual deviant who groomed a bride from birth.

[@otakudaikun]

@@joshs5577 It's not as cut and dry. He had no intention of falling in love with her at first. He knew she was essentially a tool to sacrifice as a vessel for the grail. Then he was all "ah crap, I think I love her."

[@joshs5577]

@@otakudaikun oh I know I more meant it as a joke. Obviously that’s not what actually happened but the framing is that Kiritsugu took a few month old baby and essentially taught it everything it knew and then married it. It’s a joke I’ve seen a few times in the fandom.

[@emikolina5439]

Sometimes I wonder how Edward Elric would react when meeting Sieg. Like, would he just think he is a joke, an abomination or just would arrest. Like what would he do

[@Lemuel928]

Don’t worry,he was just a really good guy..Unlike the rest of the Rogues that try to end him despite they were created by his Dad by accident.

[@JohnDoe-ns5su]

Seig is broken.

[@chicken2844]

Question, could a homunculus be made the same way as Frankensteins monster in the current era? And could fusions exist?(i.e centaur homunculi)

[@otakudaikun]

I think both are feasible.

[@chicken2844]

@@otakudaikun oh? Interesting, that brings me to my next question(sorry) how do you think one could create a hybrid homunculi(half animal half humanoid) you think that they would need the biological material of both? Or

[@otakudaikun]

@@chicken2844 I imagine you'd need both, yes. Again it seems plausible.

[@DanteCrowlley]

*Depravity is one of my unlimited talents*

[@BrunofanofK]

Note: when it comes down to it both Artoria and maybe Morgan herself qualify as homuncles, artificial man-made entity created for a porpuse. Artoria was made using the dragon factor to replicate the nature of Vortigen, that is why she has "B" DRAGON CORE, as a sign of the dispersion of mysteries replication means.

[@madambutterfly1997]

I want to know who keeps making the einzbern homunculi Is there some family member who still very human Or are they like some Mages who can just transfer their Consciousness into another body so they Could live longer And make better homunculi

[@ivanbluecool]

The dolls make the new dolls with the mission to win the grail by any means possible Illya kinda gets justeave mindset as zouken said and you see justeave in the third war as well. Think of it as you building a robot that is made to build robots and you die but the robot still is making robots

[@seth9655]

Video topic: Counter Force

[@Lemuel928]

Long story short..Shirou started it after Kiritsugu died.

[@madambutterfly1997]

How can you complain about her flaws where you and your shortsightedness Played a massive role in those flaws

[@shaminabalamo525]

Could you make a lesson for mystic eyes

[@otakudaikun]

I already did but it's currently exclusive to $1/mo paid supporters.

[@shaminabalamo525]

@@otakudaikun (sad) ok

[@horrorbaraz]

Love love love this series. I put this on in the morning when I workout

[@thefiregodzapp]

Honestly I think homunculi are a morally grey area. On one had they're probably more useful than familiars in certain situations. But ethically it's wrong however I'm sure magus aren't concerned about ethics.

[@philorepurcell3403]

@ thefiregodzapp: It is not morally wrong if the homunculi are treated as befits true regard of their nature as creatures who are perceiving, intelligent, living, dreaming just as are humans...

[@justicevarner7417]

Can you do a video on the Ultimate Ones?

[@majutsushisliceoflife]

Another great video Dai! The concept of creating an artificial human is thought-provoking to say the least, and you cover the concept in the Fate Universe really well.

[@shaestroup2044]

I pity Homunculi. They deserve freedom and happiness like any human.

[@jasonrobinson401]

Typical mage, just don't mention Chaldeas demi-servant homunculus, focus on the sentient plushy instead, who cares about dumb old dead guys like sir Galahad anyway, right? Jk, but really, loving these videos.

[@jamesrknott]

Love the series. Great job as always. Keep up the amazing work, and thank you for dedicating the time and energy that you do regularly

[@TheJedaiHero9000]

Interesting. MOST DEFINITELY interesting, INDEED! YES! They should be given the same rights as Humans. Should it be banned? That I don't know.

[@zakeylincordero4945]

Medicinal Magecraft or Healing Magecraft ?

[@farrisfadzil1294]

Sensei ✋a question what's the difference between homunculus and mondern-term clone

[@otakudaikun]

Not much difference. Usually a homunculus is born to have magic circuits but I guess a clone may not.

[@mariapazgonzalezlesme]

Question, does Humonculi posses short-life spans or longer? And why usually the Eizbern's humonculi are mostly albino with red eyes?

[@otakudaikun]

The einzbern homunculi are most all made from the same blueprint.

[@pyronable]

I'm having some deja vu right now. Wasn't this posted awhile back

[@otakudaikun]

It was exclusive to paid supporters.

[@pyronable]

@@otakudaikun Really? Could've sworn it was free. Either way, nice video.

[@otakudaikun]

@@pyronable Some folks screwed me over by adding it to their playlists even though it was unlisted.

[@pyronable]

@@otakudaikun Okay that makes sense because I felt like this was a major rerun

[@justicevarner7417]

Can you do a video explaining the Ultimate Ones?

[@demarcoevans3324]

WHERE'S THE DANCINGGGG

[@otakudaikun]

Huh?

[@demarcoevans3324]

@@otakudaikun I meant where's mashu and artoria but i kinda figured it's a reupload so maybe that's why

[@assassinkapkan5265]

Love the Magecraft Lore videos good job

[@meinsternes4148]

Professor! Question! Are touko's dolls considered homunculi?

[@otakudaikun]

No those are automata. Closer to a familiar.

[@meinsternes4148]

@@otakudaikun wow..thank you for the knowledge professor!

[@meinsternes4148]

@@otakudaikun can't wait for your next lesson on curses professor! I made my own mage character with his background and all that and coincidentally he uses curses and witchcraft etc. Can't wait!

[@Lemuel928]

Right,nobody asked about Actual Machines.

[@indigofeigefalconer6294]

Do the mage families use homunculi to mass produce magic crests? Seems like it would be a good way to not only get multiple crests but to speed up there development.

[@otakudaikun]

I dont think it works that way for crests. You kinda have to build those up the hard way.

[@indigofeigefalconer6294]

@@otakudaikun oh fair enough then.

[@FurrySupportMain]

id say Seig and Iris are my favorite Homunculi but Rani is a close 3rd Mordred and Mephistopheles fight for 4 and illiya is someone i cant rank since ill be assassinated for it

[@ivanbluecool]

My standing on if they have human rights. It all depends on the person. Illya sella Liz yeah totally and most are made of human DNA anyways. Made of clay or something else if they are just golems then it's just a doll. Sieg would have been more interesting if he fought for the world's homuculus. Also reminds me of tales of the abyss as you see replica who just living kill some humans they were cloned from and cause a huge world issue but the replica say it well in just because they were born from someone they shouldn't be tied down to them like luke and asch situation. Very interesting overall. But end wish with was less shined on as the lot of them were sacrificed for the few that remained. Very tough ethical delema

[@philorepurcell3403]

@ivanbluecool: Why does the precise physical composition have any importance? Why even is ‘how human” one is of any relevance to the question of rights, of due regard? If one is a perceiving, living, dreaming, creature… a creature of intelligence, of even will, of a soul… why does it matter if the body is composed in H. sapiens’ cells, in clay, or in wood, or in gold?

[@ivanbluecool]

@UCyadJgLKFMbynE20cAHTNVg so if someone is born dead or comatose they aren't alive? The Different factors of life in fate is exactly why they should be judged on what truly is alive or not. I mean I doubt a maker of a living doll would be charged for killing it as the magus world is not the same rules for morals on that and Gilgamesh even brings this up. Overall it's just playing god and many stories doing that only lead to ruin as each story did lead to that.

[@thomaslin1189]

Mashu Kyrielight is also a homunculi, one that has the same lifespan just like all of us after Cath Palug aka Fou revives, is her case similar to the homunculis you've mentioned in this video or she has a different case?

[@otakudaikun]

She's a designer baby, it's a slight difference worth covering in another video.

[@tacotuesday4496]

these vids r clearing a lot of the confusing bits and nuances of magecraft tysm keep it up!

[@moonstars968]

Thanks!

[@carlosgarza400]

Like all other people arrogance is the ultimate downfall of people especially that of mages

[@sabithasajan5564]

Can u check out phantasmal species

[@otakudaikun]

I'll take note of it^^

[@sabithasajan5564]

@@otakudaikun thx

[@flygonkerel781]

In definitely using homunculi for my harem

[@kevinsantiago5514]

I’m 1:00 minute in the video and i’ve already subbed. Wow. I like your charisma, it’s top notch. Thanks for the fate lore videos!

[@otakudaikun]

Thank you^^

[@okita_souji_alter]

So did illya die shortly after the end of the fate route?

[@otakudaikun]

It's heavily implied.

[@okita_souji_alter]

@@otakudaikun I figured as much

[@Lemuel928]

Until part of her became Part of the Counter Force,until Chloe is born.

[@okita_souji_alter]

@@Lemuel928 funny thing is that would be pretty interesting but chloe is basically if fate stay night illya's memories got replaced

[@moonstars968]

Thanks!

[@otakudaikun]

Omg I'm sorry this is so late! YT doesn't tell me that certain comments are attached to super thanks. Thank you so much!

[@kaybevang536]

Iliya noooooo !!!! Rip

[@colonelmustang7642]

good video

[@runelt99]

bell squad

[@madambutterfly1997]

I don't understand how Nero's Noble Phantasm doesn't count as a reality marble. She's literally pulling you into the golden theater Domus Aetus Aurea

[@otakudaikun]

I didn't make that rule.

[@suiseiuchuno7381]

I'm confused of the video's upload time and some comments

[@runelt99]

Probably patreons getting videos early.

[@otakudaikun]

Paid supporters got this a while back.

[@opinionofmine3238]

Was this video taken down and now resposted or something?

[@otakudaikun]

No, it was exclusive to paid supporters till now.

[@opinionofmine3238]

@@otakudaikun That's odd, because I found it in a playlist from your channel I believe.

[@otakudaikun]

@@opinionofmine3238 Nah, that was some other person screwing me over lol

[@opinionofmine3238]

@@otakudaikun Yikes my apologies then.

[@otakudaikun]

@@opinionofmine3238 Lol it's not that bad. Only a small number of people found it through that playlist anyway, and it's not like it wasn't being monetized.

[@alexandarvoncarsteinzarovi3723]

Artificial Humanoids, the term in more science fictional universe synthetic human, kind of like the androids from Aliens, in DnD the final and greatest,...pardon the pun the Holly Grail of many mages is the creation of Advanced Homunculi, that is completely soulless, this is to serve as the vessel to when the Wizard or Sorcerer becomes a lich, transferring his soul into these host bodies, yes many of them, also being an Advanced Homunculi means the perks of the human body without the downsides of ageing, and getting poisoned, the body if damaged severely can be healed by sleeping in sarcophagos which is placed on a ley line, thus also recharging the body, in short severe limb is grown back in a day, They can be infused with a mind as it will create soldiers or workers, now before people say let's make your own clone army, it's not easy to maintain them since the procedure can backfire, and while they might have a short life span or even not age normally like really slow, they will stop doing everything if their master is dead, so no, And to answer your question, yes I am working on cloning dead celebs, in Advanced Homunculi bodies,