‘Let me finish’: Heated clash over falling education standards in Indigenous communities

Sky News host Peta Credlin has clashed with Liberals for Yes co-convenor Sean Gordon over how to make a difference in Indigenous communities.
Ms Credlin highlighted how falling education standards in Indigenous communities are partly due to Indigenous parents.
“Let’s have an honest conversation about the nation and the taxpayer and our structures of government stepping up come tomorrow, but also Aboriginal people to take control of their lives,” she said.
Mr Gordon noted that Indigenous people cannot be the only ones to blame for children not going to school and questioned if the education system is failing.
“Is the way in which government departments are engaging with Indigenous communities failing? If they are failing then we have got to make adjustments to ensure they are properly engaging.”

[@Bossman-ud9kh]

I dicked around at school and dropped out, got an apprenticeship and still dicked around. Then I grew up and stopped doing silly things and my life improved. The question is- am I aboriginal or not? It doesn’t matter I’m just a person who decided to take responsibility for my own actions.

[@karinberryman2009]

50% of us are like that. We weren’t mature enough for various reasons to adult it. We probably didn’t have a great role model, had sad circumstances, didn’t get the message ‘You’re should be confident, competent and I believe in you’. We probably went through a few steep learning curves which helped.

[@andreamaclachlan980]

Well said. Spot on. Glad you chose a better road. Thank you for your example.

[@andreamaclachlan980]

The school system keeps kids, kids. When I was at school, almost every teacher was an idiot kid in an adult body, some more wrinkled than others. School is a manufactured environment, so there are no real life skills, cause and effect opportunities, real consequences. The children are basically unsupervised, and no one is RAISING THEM. Children NEED TO BE RAISED CAREFULLY. No one is able to grow up. Peter Pan would be quite at home there. By contrast, as my husband and I have home educated our (numerous) children, they have grown to be mature young people. They are remarkably different to their schooled peers. They also got a very good education WITHOUT FUNDING. I teach our children while my husband works his butt off. No funding. No extra $$. Focused a lot on character. Never believe that money= education. We are living proof that it is a lie. Children are born with brains. They aren't handed out on the first day of school. Children have a desire to learn, unless it is damaged. They can be taught easily enough, it is no more difficult than anything else a parent will teach them. Upsets happen, learn, grow, move on. Life skill. Of our adult children, all are 100% employed. All are literate. If I can do it, what is wrong with today's teachers? A child can be taught to read well in less than a year, learning difficulties aside. From there, it should be all up. All children should be highly literate before they hit their teens. If they are not, look squarely at the teachers. They have failed to teach. There is no excuse for illiteracy. If this (badly) public schooled mum, by the grace of God, can do it, the 'experts' are without excuse.

[@derekmottley3656]

Power to you.

[@kinchegayowie6167]

no your a living man , not a person, we have to stop using that vernacular , person is a corporation , legal fiction used for commerce

[@johndunn4182]

These Aboriginals who play the victim..... need to be confronted with the truth. Well done to Peta Credlin. Take responsibility for your own bloody lives & stop asking for handouts.

[@SamsonCheung]

Spot on. Otherwise you say what you are worth.

[@uwen1443]

They dont play victim, they are disadvantaged due to their entrenched mindset, they are being left behind relative to the march of modernisation. As a responsible govt and people, it is imperative that dedicated effort and assistance are provided to break the cycle of fallacious mindset and their subsistence way of life through informed decision making. Such assistance must initially comes from those with objective mindset bcos modern civilisation and economy is neither fortuitous nor self fulfilling endeavor.

[@EdOeuna]

Handouts just result in bigger hands.

[@oldman2800]

Remote communities are all different needs like every other Australian community. Aboriginal communities have to deal with the issues of remoteness as well as the patriarchal culture of Aboriginal inheritance which is destructive to say the least

[@saintsone7877]

@@oldman2800Correct. Anyone attempting to address issues is branded a racist as too many want the status quo to continue. Albanese is praised for bringing this referendum into being yet he admitted NO referendum has ever succeeded in Australia without Bi-partisan support from both Major Parties yet he refused to seek support from the Coalition so was he really attempting to unite Australians as he claimed or was he deliberately attempting to drive the biggest wedge between Aboriginals and Non Aboriginals. I firmly believe the latter applies as he clearly antagonised from the outset when he declared anyone who votes no is a racist. He was ably assisted by the 3 biggest racists in Australia today Linda Burney, Noel Pearson and Marcia Langton.

[@zhdlot]

Someone needs to audit these Aboriginal programs and fine out where $ 30 billion is going every year ?

[@emilyvickery8081]

Ed Qld post teachers in Indigenous communities where they implement a bi-lingual program: the community's Indigenous language, and English.

[@nolaburgess6559]

100% correct. 🇦🇺

[@Matlockization]

That's why we all vote no !

[@davidd1492]

It's going into the pockets if the people like Noel Pearson.

[@gayedawn1]

More like 40 billion

[@MrRem7600]

Credlin absolutely nails it here holding Aboriginals to account. Meanwhile the same old rhetoric, non action and blame from an self proclaimed indigenous "leader"

[@organisationxiv2927]

from *a self-proclaimed leader.

[@leonharrison800]

See what happens now there is no Voice!! WTF!!

[@finnmickey5868]

Holding Aboriginals to account !!!!!!!!!!! For what?

[@bradprivate8133]

⁠​⁠@@organisationxiv2927thank you for correcting that, I didn’t understand the message until you corrected it. 👏🏻👏🏻

[@Taniwha123]

Your hero , how sad,

[@michaellincoln3739]

Sean Gordon blames a so called '"broken education system" rather than the disintergrating family issues in remote communities. Excuse-makers like him are the wrong people to be in positions of leadership and need to be weeded out if indigenous people are to make real progress.

[@kathrynletchford5114]

Absolutely. He is just another snout in the trough, causing the entrenchment of victims mentalities.

[@stevebrown218]

I think people like Sean Gordon are the problem not the solution. He is happy to sit on every advisory board and probably would expect to be on the Voice advisory group.

[@belindakennedy5828]

He would be out of a job if the problem was solved,do you really believe he wants it solved,he blames the system knowing it's not the system it's the people themselves not taken responsibility too get their kids to school,money won't solve this unless the money is used to hire school officers to pick up any kid who is walking about within school hours who are playing truant,but that no doubt be racist I suppose,what's the punishment for kids and non aboriginal kids and parents who have kids playing truant or parents not bothered about sending their kids to school,and does it work ,if it does why don't it work for aboriginals,maybe therse a higher rate of dyslexics in the community ,have they been tested.

[@undefinedfreedom8580]

And getting paid big bucks while producing no outcome, having no responsibility.

[@derekmottley3656]

You've got it ! That's exactly what was going to happen.

[@justinm2697]

He brags about how the companies he works for hire more indigenous people yet ignores the fact he holds SIX high ranking positions himself. Surely there are other indigenous people out there capable of doing 5 out of the 6 jobs he has. I'm sure he's happy that Woolworths is hiring more indigenous cashiers though.

[@user-cc8hp1ih9w]

I wouldn't have been so kind about that moron...He is ONLY interested in his own pocket and CONSTANTLY Makes ridiculous Excuses for Aboriginals

[@megansummersides4255]

Indigenous Aussies have a say...we need an audit like Jacinta said before anything else happens, where have all the tax payers dollars gone?

[@BelloBudo007]

Precisely!!! Who has been mismanaging the $$$$'s? Sean sounds like he's on a ton a various boards & well done to him. However this line of his about kids not attending school because the system is broken, needs looking at. Parents, Aunties, Uncles, Brothers & Sisters all need to get those kids on the bus and educated. Otherwise they'll be on social welfare for life, and probably following other social roads to nowhere. Peta touched on violence towards women, within remote communities. She didn't mention abuse towards children, that we all know occurs. Why does it take more money, more power or recognition in the constitution for the community to stop such things?

[@itsaustraliadayeveryday7234]

Well the lady in red said it for what it is. Once i complained i had no shoes until i met a man who had no feet. Any man can do what he wants to do but it takes a man to do what he aught to. Believe yo can believe you cant whatever way you will be right We all come from somewhere who cares when it was, no one person deserves any more than they sow, What you don't sow you owe, be thankful!

[@nikitaw1982]

Best thing for aboriginals is the best for every other disadvantaged. Address the ridiculous rise in cost of living. If aboriginal mums gets pissed and cost $30 for a 6 pack then definitely can’t afford food for the kids when 12 eggs now $7.

[@oldman2800]

Jacinta for PM

[@saintsone7877]

@@BelloBudo007 Because those that claim they care (Labor/Greens/Teals/Independents) claim it is racist to expose these injustices against children/women. They cover up for them just like they have for 40-50 years. They think wantonly throwing money at the problem will solve it. They think appointing someone to a committee/organisation will solve the problem. They think ignoring, labelling as racist, and cancelling/shaming anyone that goes public and exposes these problems will solve the problem. Until they do what the Coalition has proposed time and again but failed to get Labor/Greens/Teal and independents/Aboriginal Activists/Elites support. I may also add the MSM has been a deterrent as well as they have branded the Coalition policies as draconian and racist. We must listen and implement assistance on a local level. Huge bureaucracies will NEVER deliver change but hundreds of smaller organisations regularly audited and monitored and consulting with local Aborigines CAN succeed. We saw it during John Howards day when he consulted with local elders and adult community after a flood to rebuild their community. He tasked the Military Engineers to do what the locals asked and it was a success so much so that elders thanked him personally for being the FIRST to ask them what THEY wanted and deliver it. What was Labors and ATSIC response to Howards actions? Utter scorn and derision with ATSIC stating he had no right to NOT consult and engage them to fix that community. Labor agreed and accused him of disrespect to ATSIC and its commissioners. Yet had Howard had done so, the locals would NOT been consulted as ATSIC had rebuilt their community once before ignoring the elders and other locals and telling them they knew best. That community has suffered 4 floods since Howard had it rebuilt and still stands. 3 years after ATSIC rebuilt it the next flood destroyed EVERYTHING yet it cost ATSIC 10 times the cost of Howards repairs using Army Engineers. Sean is unfortunately part of the problem rather than part of the solution. He gets paid for each board/committee he participates on and obviously cannot get anything done as he is spread too thinly and cannot keep up with the demands for his input. Do 1 or 2 things well rather than 10-20 things poorly. THAT is the problem with all aid as all agencies are competing against each other as there are far too many all wasting resources/funds. 3000+ organisations managing $34billion means none can completely address any issue. And they need an Aboriginal Affairs Minister who actually does something other than tour the countryside and give press statements. Linda Burney stated the Voice will be tasked with 4 main areas yet in 18 months she and her department introduced ZERO legislation in any area concerning Aboriginal disadvantage let alone in any of these 4 areas. She was waiting for the VOICE to make advice/recommendations or what? Same with Ken Wyatt when he was Coalition Aboriginal Affairs Minister. He spent more time travelling than addressing his portfolio. Get someone who will actually do SOMETHING rather than travel the countryside and overseas(do not know how this helps Aboriginals).

[@ericshingles]

Kenny is so wrong on this subject, Jacinta Price is spot on, so is Peta :)

[@NoNopeAndNo]

Shawn brags about all his major roles in Australian companies and politics and at same time claims Aboriginals have no opportunity and no say 🤡💀

[@evah787]

Yes... what a laugh

[@georgiacompton7427]

His intention is genuine, however, his reasoning behind his decions and conclusions (from my perspective) seem flawed, even contradictory. I'm annoyed with the Commonwealth bank, which gouges its customers with high interest rates and ATM fees, as well as, closed banks here, there and everywhere. Moreover, seems not to be protecting customers from scammers, and refusing to reimburse stolen monies.

[@michellepound848]

Exactly, he proves, by providing his resume and tooting his own horn, that indigenous people can and do achieve anything they put their mind too.

[@GarethWatson-mn8wd]

Yep he’s an elite

[@21Cauzzie]

How do you know the school system is broken if the kids are not there? There's irony in everything Shawn says but he doesn't hear it. How much would you get paid for sitting on that many boards?

[@AVMamfortas]

One 'vocal' fellow sits as 'Chairman' on multiple 'Boards' and has FAILED disastrously, yet takes no responsibility for the waste of BILLIONS of taxpayers' monies.

[@testerbend9473]

Educator here. Aboriginal students in my class: One left for selling illegal item at school. Parent called teachers racist for picking on her child when child blatantly breaking rules. One requires indigenous liaison officer to get them to school because mother doesn’t bother, they don’t pay fees. Child failing most subjects. One doing very well in English Maths. Living with non-indigenous foster parents for many years. At school every day.

[@mrsnrub282]

Yep bring back taking Aborigines from their parents. Bring back the stolen generation

[@Pacdoc-oz]

Eyewitness truth telling, thank you.

[@kathrynletchford5114]

Oh yeh. The famous word, for when you are a less than responsible life form, but want to blame everyone else. I am sick of retard#d people that call others racists.

[@Inshokuten69]

I immigrated to Australia in 2002 and have never had a positive interaction with an indigenous person. Live in rural area and we have a massive issue with indigenous teens breaking into homes, shoplifting, alcohol and drug abuse. Any parent I see is part of the problem rather than working towards a solution despite all the talk about elders and respect. They've been getting government handout after government handout and if anything it's gotten worse. Maybe stop blaming everyone else and take responsibility for your own problems and fix your issues yourselves. They already have an equal voice in how this country is run, their vote is equal to anyone else. Giving them more of a say based on skin colour or past grievance is just instituting racism into the society.

[@fambear3650]

This is well known, but no one likes the truth. Very well said.

[@galegrazutis964]

BRILLIANTLY SAID!!!

[@testerbend9473]

Thanks for your comment which many in the regions can concur with.

[@hayleytownsend9758]

After your country being colonised and millions of your people being massacred plus the racism endured over years and years, how do you think you’d go about your life?

[@galegrazutis964]

@@testerbend9473 Also they are extremely entitled.

[@anndoig2459]

No matter how much taxpayers money it costs per annum - the reality is ''you can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it drink''...... Education is the personal responsibility of parents to their children

[@user-cc8hp1ih9w]

100%...EXCUSES have been made for so many damn decades and it needs to be called out

[@LilStoops]

After naming all those firms and boards, Sean appears to be more privilidged than the average Australian.

[@EdOeuna]

You’d think, with all those working groups, the problem would be easily resolved. The same people in these working groups will be in “The Voice”, so don’t expect any change.

[@bradgray4360]

Yeah excactly

[@matthewwarren7252]

Seems like he is a part of the problem and not the solution. He is on all those boards taking the place of other capable aboriginal people. Why does he have to be on so many boards? Its the same fundamental problem with the voice, a small minority (most likely people who have not spent a night in a community for years) would be talking for the majority that are already represented through their elected member for parliament.

[@DonCamua]

He has enjoyed the benefits of power and for sure he will demand a seat at the Voice council. I smell a corrupt and greedy leader in the panel.

[@rodiusmaximus]

@@matthewwarren7252 He even said he wants 'his people' to have....all these benefits. So he essentially made the other dude's point for him.

[@Armourlego]

Sean Gordon flatly refuses to acknowledge that there are responsibilities that Aboriginal people need to take to improve their lives. Instead he points the accusing finger at society who pays through the nose to support them. It’s all take and no give with these activists.

[@michellepound848]

Yes, by citing his resume proves why there was a NO vote. He is successful.

[@katel7309]

that's what I was thinking ...comes back to individuals taking opportunities in a western democratic capitalist nation you have to work, work hard, get education and be self-motivated and indigenous people have support all over the place to do all that. Self responsibility.

[@mcbean1]

@@michellepound848 by citing he's resume and claiming that not enough was being done, he basically admitted that a voice could not work.

[@SaintKimbo]

@@michellepound848 Yes, but why is he successful? Because of the state of Indigenous Affairs, if there was no problems he wouldn't have a job. It's in his own best interest to have these problems persist, it's a whole industry.

[@aceroberts6020]

It's a failure on yourself. Proves no matter how much $$is thrown at a problem it can't fix it, you have to want to change 🤔 there are plenty of successful indigenous people?

[@Itsadarknight]

I lived in an indigenous community for 10 years. The kids barely went to school and the parents encouraged that. Then they got sent to expensive exclusive boarding schools for secondary all paid for. Every opportunity is given to get education but it isn’t valued or wanted so until indigenous people change their attitudes to education nothing and no amount of dollars will change it.

[@Sanakudou]

Sounds like sending them to boarding school from the very beginning could be a better solution to assuring these kids stay in the education system and break away from parents that enable their non-attendance. Waiting until secondary school to send them to a boarding school is far too late to provide meaningful change, so many negative attitudes and behaviours would be ingrained by then and they’d be so far behind academically that even if these kids wanted to change for the better and get serious about their education, the disadvantages would be huge without having had a successful elementary education. They’d be doomed to fail unless they could voluntarily delay their regular education by a year and be given access to a special catch-up year focused on the fundamentals, but that obviously wouldn’t be needed in the first place if a successful elementary education could be attained from the start.

[@Amanda.Ray02]

Agree… I lived in Aurukun for 2 years. They wouldn’t go to school, they wouldn’t use the free health services, they spent government money on alcohol and drugs!

[@kathrynletchford5114]

Agreed. Having lived among aboriginals. The attitude needs to change. They are so invested in hating everyone, they dupe themselves out of a good life. That to me, is just ridiculous..

[@user-cc8hp1ih9w]

​@kathrynletchford5114 it's all in their Culture

[@jcredfearn8745]

Indigenous parents need to parent their children exactly as non Indigenous parents should parent their children! So much of a child's life and future is in the parent's hands! So all parents gave a very important role to play!

[@scottd8938]

Indigenous Australians are where Indigenous Australians want to be. Sean Gordon is happy to take the pay cheque, but has not changed a thing. Could that be because if change occurs, the pay cheque stops? Peta Credlin is spot on...

[@justinm2697]

He's happy to take the pay cheque is right. He's happy to take SIX pay cheques. This guy has so many 'chairman' positions with major corporations, I wonder how he has the time to appear on television.

[@thekangaroo9156]

Peta is 100% correct. About time it was called out!

[@johnstaring3210]

The Aboriginal people need to address the disparity amongst themselves. They have been provided all the tools, and more, to resolve that but have played little or no role in doing so. Getting aboriginal elites into parliament, or even seen as being above Parliament, is/was not going to change a thing.The ball has been in their court for decades. The will has to be within.

[@LilStoops]

I was toying with the idea of the voice actually winning. I was wondering what their first priority would be. Would it be education, health, crime....... Nope, I reackon it would be Truth Telling with the sole purpose of stating all the bad things that had happened but turning a blind eye to anything that was positive. Hyperthetical of course, now that the votes are being counted. They have lost, but I reackon I would have been right. Glad I voted NO as I am confident this is what the priority would have been.

[@scatty803]

The education department begins its work when the kids are at school. I work in this sector with aboriginal kids that are getting picked up by teachers in the morning (door knocking) in their personal cars to get them to school. There is a link to the horrible statistics of abuse and the attendance of aboriginal students. If teachers did anymore of taking the kids to school, it would be deemed another stolen generation. Less money and more responsibility in my opinion.

[@DunateoRom8v37]

I am a teacher. Education is a personal responsibility. Unfortunately certain people just do not take that responsibility on board

[@chickenman297]

I'm a teacher too. It's a bit more than "Education is a personal responsibility" though it does make up a big part of it, I'm not disagreeing with that. When I go into a class where there are students willing to learn while others are not, it takes valuable time away from those who are willing for me to deal with those who aren't. It comes down to a value of education. That's also just part of the problem, it goes deeper than that. Education isn't broken yet, but it is heading that way.

[@haruchai]

At what juncture do people take responsibility for their own choices?

[@galegrazutis964]

That's a touch topic!

[@jacquelynn2051]

When there is no interference nor sabotage

[@SaintKimbo]

When the money stops flowing, I guess.

[@StevenMilne-sm4fk]

Pay up whitey

[@kathrynletchford5114]

Exactly. Then they can't continue with their victim mentality...

[@jordarnnahleigh1447]

Peta Credlin states the absolute facts!

[@user-cc8hp1ih9w]

AND...the damn OBVIOUS

[@bethanyh.9489]

I'm so impressed with Peta Credlin time and time again. She encapsulates beautifully and succinctly everything that Australians had issue with regarding this referendum. Many on this panel, especially the excruciatingly painful Kenny, have no idea what they're talking about, and they should actually shut up and listen to the concerns of Australians.

[@karinberryman2009]

And she had the guts and intellect to specifically address Sean’s general assumption that ‘It’s not fair’ but having been appointed to so many lofty positions he can give a few indigenous kids plum positions like he probably was, but it’s doing nothing for the other 99.5% of 6 - 15 yr olds.

[@mickadams1905]

What was Kennys thinking behind the idea that Aboriginals, like all Australians, need to take responsibility for their own actions and bad choices, Is why we need the voice? Is he stupid or paid off?

[@joannemurdock7899]

​@@karinberryman2009great points made😮

[@martynohara8101]

Peta Credlin should be PM. She is formidable, on point every time, and loves our country. A truly great Australian!

[@westbeach8097]

The attendance rates for indigenous children in northern Australia is horrendous and many children are FASD. The situation is horrendous and getting worse. It is all about individual choices by parents. Governments will not fix this deplorable situation. Billions of taxpayers money spent on grog.

[@Taniwha123]

Just what a white person would say , with no idea of subjugation of an indigenous people , which was slaughtered, you don't think that past isnt forgotten through the generations, wake up to yourself, read a book

[@rods6405]

"Indigenous Australians were prohibited from buying alcohol until the end of the 1960s. The repeal of this legislation saw a rapid increase in indigenous alcohol consumption and contributed to many of the problems faced by indigenous Australians today." I guess they had things right back in those days!

[@user-cc8hp1ih9w]

Government won't fix the school attendance issue because they're Aboriginal and areprotected...God forbid a White Kid missed a day of school...the Cop's and child service's would be straight onto it

[@user-cc8hp1ih9w]

Watch the Money dry up...and so will the Grog...Give welfare cheques to the Parents based on their Kid's school attendance and watch the Kids attendance go up...fixed it...wasn't hard

[@jessdawson2884]

I love Peta Credlin. ❤

[@bretloyd8097]

Wow you have low standards.

[@ericshingles]

we all do :)

[@bretloyd8097]

@@ericshingles you ALL have very low standards.

[@VK6AB-]

65 Yes in Canberra 35 No - just goes to show how out of touch government and public servants are. Rural and regional areas are at 70% - 65% NO, why?.

[@ellenmcaleese7004]

Because regional areas experience daily the anti-social and criminal behaviour from indigenous communities whilst Canberra's live in latte land.

[@TheRoswellCode]

@@ellenmcaleese7004 The WHITE COLLAR criminal behaviour in the ACT doesn't help.

[@martinmoessmer9527]

Spot on Peta. Please, keep doing your job, you're good at it and have a fair minded perspective.

[@soundknight]

This is a great actual discussion, you won't see this on the selected audience of ABC TV

[@LovelyLass-nb8op]

Channel 7 at 7pm avoid the ABC

[@hadrian3487]

The ABC are in mourning.

[@ladystardust2885]

Money to Black Nobility whilst original nations are regarded as victims.

[@Recollections.May.Vary.]

Love Peta. Well said. It’s about personal responsibility 👏👏👏

[@pameladowe2492]

Having lived in close proximity to a large aboriginal family, an Elder, no less, I personally witnessed their behaviour. All night parties with the kids in tow, so they never did home-work or school. The amounts of alcohol and drugs consumed were eye-watering. The kids grew up to be jailed for serious crimes and the head female, she finished up as a trunk in a wheelchair, until her inevitable death. This happened in a large city! They chose their demise.

[@aaronjamesmoore757]

the native Americans are the same, it seems to happen when people are going extinct, its happening to the indigenous people of western Europe now too.

[@positivepawpaw7564]

Nailed it. Alcohol destroyed aboriginal communities. In rural areas the govt & mining companies then move in & rip em off.

[@ericshingles]

the cowardice when it comes to this subject with the Australian population is outstanding, thanks for voicing what most of us KNOW

[@lr6477]

Not heard one thing from this yes guy about indigenous accountability!

[@j0n.p]

It's the same in Canada.

[@alansivkoff282]

Kenny misses the point; the Aust parliament is elected whereas the voice will be appointed and there unaccountable to the general public.

[@pwillis1589]

As are virtually all advisory bodies to government. Your point is fallacious nonsensical garbage. Who elected the Governor of the Reserve bank or the head of the productivity commission or the Chief of the Defence force, or the chief justice of the High court.

[@daviddeck8509]

@@pwillis1589. … exactly,

[@positivepawpaw7564]

What you talkin about Willis ? The voice is not an advisory body. It’s representative. Read the alteration as it’s written like smart people did.

[@craigparker4108]

@@pwillis1589 Your point is fallacious nonsensical garbage, we are talking about the Constitution & something which will be forever. Not to mention the lies of the whole Yes campaign & the Commy activists. UN agenda & we saw a preview in WA. Quit lying to yourself.

[@pwillis1589]

@@positivepawpaw7564 You don’t really understand english do you. “May make representations” means it may provide advice. Its representative value comes from its structure which the government of the day will decide. You only read into something what you wanted to believe. Your opinion is worthless.

[@lauriecullen7809]

Well said PETA. ❤

[@mayorofmotown]

Half way through this video the indigenous guy. Literally rattled off 8-10 different Voices. Literally representation in some of the most powerful institutions and businesses in Australia.

[@andyquelch5754]

Chris Kenny has made an utter fool of himself throughout this process.

[@wayneappleby5763]

Kenny is a Greenie and a complete tool

[@baricho4771]

How about Aboriginal parents take ownership of their kids and problems? Why is it always someone else fault? Sure we need to support and help the disadvantaged, but sooner or later the parents and elders need to start to take responsibility., just like every single other person in this country. Well said Peta for keeping it real. Sean, you should be doing more than looking good on various boards..

[@vivienslennett7197]

Peta nailed it

[@jayhellyer5406]

The yes voter didn't claim he was a proud aboriginal, but a proud member of his tribe. Doesn't this make the point the no voter made about not being an homogeneous group but individuals?

[@rodiusmaximus]

My thoughts exactly

[@gone547]

You can't buy an education. You earn one by turning up and applying yourself. You need to want to learn.

[@justinm2697]

Additionally..... the need and want to learn has to be fostered by parents. Sure, there will always be some outlier example of dead beat parents who's child somehow gains enough self interest to further themselves and vice versa but for the most part it starts with the parents.

[@chriswatson1698]

Regardless of race, people who choose to live a long way from employment opportunities, or don't go to school enough, or drink too much, are going to be disadvantaged.

[@georgiacompton7427]

Furthermore, their children are going to be disadvantaged. I have ADHD and therefore don't pick up, nor recall details, but a principal (I think a Sydney school), encouraged teenage mothers to continue schooling by building an environment where mothers and children were welcome. Parenting is not an easy job, and if there is no support, problems become insurmountable.

[@rodiusmaximus]

@@georgiacompton7427 That's a solution that would help everyone. Teachers get the support of parents, and don't have to spend 90% of their class on behaviour management. The mums get to learn, as they may have missed school themselves. The kids can focus on work. I just realised you said 'teenage mothers'. But I'm still getting a picture of a whole family in the classroom.

[@fifthdimension1984]

The vested interests in aboriginal industry want to keep the status quo running because it is a very lucrative business model.

[@chickenman297]

Story time about hand outs: My dad was a tradie who worked on indigenous buildings in Darwin for a while. These places were beautiful with all the modern conveniences you could imagine (for the 80's). It took 1 week for the places to be in ruins with appliances ripped out and scattered throughout the yards, rubbish strewn everywhere. Lets just say my dad was disappointed (understatement).

[@colleenrichards5662]

Same here. I live out west & when I was a kid there were lovely houses built for aboriginal families near us. We lived in a small miners cottage, very basic. The new houses were ripped to pieces for firewood & rubbish was everywhere. My parents were disgusted & heartbroken that this could happen..!!!

[@kathrynletchford5114]

Yes. I have personally seen the gratitude that has been shown to the Australian tax payers. That is why aborigines have such a bad reputation. And it won't change, until THEY DO...

[@user-cc8hp1ih9w]

That still goes on NOW

[@trainingtheworld5093]

The ALBO-riginals will need to find other scams and grants now. Poor them.

[@knightware1]

Sean Gordon thinks his children's pride comes from a vote, not from hard work and achievement. He's the captain of the gravy train judging by all the seats he holds inside the aboriginal industrial complex.

[@_hold_the_line_]

If education is the only way out of poverty, why is it not a mandatory part of all the government assistance programs?

[@schweppes59]

the trouble is that no one can make these buggers go to school & if someone tries, they're being discriminatory & racist..so, cut their cash of as they do with the white fella's kids where if the kids don't go to school, then the parents lose some of their taxpayer funded parenting allowance...pretty simple really..

[@erikawindt529]

Actually there is. The mandatory age for education is 6-16. But aboriginal children often don’t attend. That’s not the children’s fault. The parents are to blame. There are also many other children who are truant from d hill and the education dept does track them down. But if the same children are constantly playing truant there is only so much the dept can do without parental compliance. Stop blaming everyone for your failures make a decision that you will do right by your children and their education. Snd stop whingeing about the past. That’s the only way forward. There are a lot of displaced Australians who’ve arrived in our shores through no choice of their own but a matter of life and death. You don’t hear those people crying about the past and how they got here. Many can NEVER return to their original country. They are grateful to be here and have the freedom and opportunity that this wonderful country offers - iFyou want it you can prevail. The only thing stopping you is yourself snd the way you persist in thinking So just get on with living

[@peteormond2828]

They ALL receive a free education (including private schooling if requested) right through to, and past university, paid to go to school, free taxis to school if requested, all school excursions are free, free extracurricular tutoring if requested, accommodation and travelling expenses paid back and forth if education is away from home.

[@emilyvickery8081]

​@@erikawindt529There can be cultural reasons why children don't attend school full time.

[@fainadobrenko6483]

Nothing should be compulsory. Especially when the government is in charge.

[@LazarusUnwrapped]

Falling educational standards? What, so worse than ‘normal’? Let me say that back when my eldest son was in grade seven, he and his class were asked to name a country after each letter of the alphabet. He was chosen to begin; “ a country beginning with A, he said “Azerbaijan” and was told - “no, you are not supposed to make a name up.” Seriously folks! Later that year he had a science teacher who didn’t know what an aqueduct was. I read to my kids from the earliest age. They were going really well until they began to attend school. One had a maths teacher that played loud pop music whilst they worked because she liked it, making it so hard for my son to concentrate. The official narrative is that we need to bring in skilled workers. No wonder, they did away with the tech schools, and implemented a program of social engineering in place of real education. Trahison des clercs!!! Its time to throw off apathy and call to account those who have sold us out!!!!!

[@briananderson7285]

It's all indoctrination, no longer education.

[@melhawk1352]

Don't even get me started on the activist nonsense they are teaching about Australian history in primary and secondary schools...!

[@LazarusUnwrapped]

@@melhawk1352 i hear you! My kids have suffered so much because of the penny-pinching low standards of the system. Remember the “clever country” rhetoric? Yet the Simpsons took the p*ss when Bart came to Australia and there was a man spruiking “ come and see the largest pile of dirt in the southern hemisphere.” Even the dumbed down vocabulary of the ABC betrays the lack of concern about standards of speech in our country.

[@darrendeal3103]

That’s why my wife and I home school the system is broken 🖕🏻

[@NurKh4n]

😂😂😂 I immigrated to Australia when I was turning 12. Because of the timing, I didn't even complete the 5th grade. When I started in the 6th grade here, it was like going back to kindergarten. Let me tell you, and I'm not even exaggerating, I literally didn't learn anything new at school till halfway through year 9 🙃 and I was placed in an accelerated program. Boy did that turn me lazy and complacent. All my teachers thought I was brilliant, but I kept insisting that I really wasn't; it's just that I had already learned all the materials and gone through the exams and passed. I still remember my first day in grade six, my teacher was testing my reading skills and used a picture book that I would've sailed through at 3. He even reprimanded me saying I was reading too fast. Umm, because there's only 3 lines per page?? He made me read so slowly I really started wondering if he thought I was retarded. And then for maths he warned me it might be tricky so don't rush. Here I thought great, trig and/or algebra in the morning, how annoying. But nope. Just basic arithmetic. I think he meant the long divisions. Then he gave me those trace-the-letters exercises you do in nursery to develop penmanship, which tbh by this point I was just completely insulted. And that was it. No science, no history, no geography. My parents wanted us to have a slow pacing lifestyle. Well we got that alright. Oh but I loved the arts subjects that I would've never experienced if we hadn't moved.

[@bernie8987]

I lived in Darwin for 10 years and the indigenous issues can be seen every day. Substance abuse, violence and youth crime are at incredible levels yet the funding is mainly given to certain groups while ground root causes get little to no funding, this needs to be investigated

[@chickenman297]

I lived there for nearly 40 years and I couldn't agree more.

[@user-bg6qr9mh3i]

You could spend a trillion dollars on education and if it isn’t valued then it won’t be sought after

[@WaynePickering]

Sean Gordon is absolutely correct in regards to government accountability…I think this whole push from the Aboriginal Elite Industry is going to backfire…why? Coz the Australian people are more focused on funding,and why aren’t we achieving better outcomes? Everyone wants the best for the disadvantaged…I can see the call for a Royal Commission into Aboriginal funding…

[@katel7309]

I would vote yes to a Royal commission into Aboriginal funding ...maybe that should have been on the ballot!!

[@colleenrichards5662]

@@katel7309 I’d certainly vote yes to that too. So much money has been wasted, appalling..!!!

[@jennig8824]

Multiple schools or community hospitals could have been built for indigenous communities with the money spent on this referendum 😢

[@lechenaultia5863]

The no vote was not a rejection of Aboriginal people or of recognition! It was a conclusion that yet another Canberra-centric bureaucracy will not produce prompt, practical outcomes for those most in need.

[@mja351]

Well done Jacinta Price and Warren Mundine you are national treasures- this is now your time to lead for the advancement of Aboriginal issue the right way

[@lisajason111]

The government has failed for all Australians, not just the Indigenous. Look at Dan Andrews and Victoria. Can't believe he can get away without consequences.

[@DOWNUNDER.]

This is as much a vote on Australians trust in albanese as it is a referendum

[@positivepawpaw7564]

EXACTLY !

[@mrsnrub282]

No it isn't you clown

[@TheRoswellCode]

That's the only thing that Albo is realy sad about - he doesn't GAF about aborigines IMO.

[@Pacdoc-oz]

bullsh*t - we voted on the fact that a bunch of revolutionaries from the grievance industry following the latest neo-Marxist playbook of social engineering and victim-hood were trying to sabotage our way of life through wreaking havoc on our beautiful constitution.

[@lancelot0007]

Well Sean. Maybe. 1. Albo should have come clean on what exactly what was going to haven should the yes vote got up. 2. You have just said. "$ 34 billion per year" for a population of not even 1%. Get an audit happening. We could all by that amount be billionaires. 3. 1 flag, 1 vote and 1 nation. Together we are strong.

[@SaintCharbelMiracleworker]

Not just in indigenous communities but also in the general community: 44% of adults read at literacy level 1 to 2 (a low level) 38% of adults read at level 3. about 15% read at level 4 to 5 (the highest level). Schools just move students up to the next grade without ensuring they pass testing.

[@sarkastodon30]

This Yes guy sounds like exactly the people to keep to account. They have been the voice for decades.

[@lcox6468]

You cannot blame a Politician, nor another race if you don’t make kids go to school. Parents are the first step and carers of children the schools are second etc; And to make them turn up even if they don’t like it.

[@peterapostolou6624]

If Mr Gordon is in so many advisory councils and comities why he needs the Voice

[@Hanami1498]

Exactly, he has obviously failed the Aboriginal people.

[@bigm383]

I’ve met plenty of indigenous people over my career. Some are happy to enjoy multi generational social security, drunkenness and non attendance at school. Others push the entire family to take advantage of every opportunity provided by governments or whatever.

[@bethanyh.9489]

I would love to hear what Peta Credlin has to say about Thomas Mayo's comments on the ABC this evening, referring to the lies of the No camp. Talk about tone deaf.

[@joelmccoy6474]

34 billion was 2017. Closer to 40 now. And you’re right the dial hasn’t moved. You can’t throw money at the problem or legislate your way to improved outcomes. Responsibility at home and your community is the only way to indeed have real change.

[@JK-jj9ko]

so roughly 210 billion was spent over 7 years and nothing has changed

[@joelmccoy6474]

⁠@@JK-jj9ko essentially yes.

[@knight2425]

To close this gap we first need to find out what is happening with this 40 billion dollars every year and prosecute those that are abusing it instead of channeling it to where it should be going, we will never close this gap until we fix the current funding and programs then and only then can we rectify the problems and close the gap

[@liemet479]

It’s called accountability

[@avapineda8813]

Very true peta you are correct children need to attend school and no excuses. Parents need to get up early get the children ready and off to school just like the rest of us parents especially if they want their children to exceed.

[@LovelyLass-nb8op]

Any RINO to use an American term needs to be voted out

[@TheRoswellCode]

We could use RINO in Australia to mean Ruler In Name Only.

[@rag_man673]

"White Australians" have been saying sorry and made to feel bad for the wrongs of the past, for many decades, possibly the last hundred or more, but, at what point will the "Black Australians" say, "you are forgiven". 250 years after English arrived here and we are still "working towards reconciliation". How many generations before we are reconciled.

[@user-co7nf3yg9u]

It is the Year 2023 and they are given $ 30 billion a year for 3 percent of the country , start looking after themselves , there are a lot of people doing it tough and don’t get the handouts

[@rof8200]

Please get the bureaucrats out. Redirect $40 billion to free boarding schools for Aboriginal children who want education and training. They'll be able to get great jobs, build businesses and travel the world.

[@BeatBay771]

They already get all that

[@EdOeuna]

It’s almost as if you’re encouraging children to be taken from their parents to achieve a better education and life. Let’s just hope that those going into free education actually want to be there and make the most of it.

[@jonathanchant6655]

They already get that plus free tafe courses and the list goes on and on

[@pameladowe2492]

I am one of those fellow pupils who went to boarding school with a large number of aboriginal and Islander girls. The truth was, in large numbers they just formed tribes and caused a lot of issues. By themselves, they had to learn to adapt and did very well. One in our class went on to become a worldwide fashion model, she was encouraged by all her classmates to follow her dreams!

[@user-cc8hp1ih9w]

THAT will NEVER WORK

[@wahbot]

I wonder what the government employees in the ACT were offered to sway their vote. Either that or something's in the water 😂

[@katel7309]

I think it is hilarious that ACT was yes and everywhere else was no

[@daz5138]

When i went to school, the indigenous kids got paid to go to school.

[@jennyohara4011]

Australia says NO, the end of Labor in Australia now ..why do they bring on these things that destroy them selves?

[@cliveo3]

They are also bringing things in from other countries who wish to destroy Australia .

[@mersinalou7397]

To fleece money

[@VK6AB-]

The inner city elites need to take this in - Wentworth in Sydney voted Yes, Lingiari in the NT (this is where Uluru is situated) voted No. Why? “The ignorance, prejudices, and groupthink of an educated elite are still ignorance, prejudice, and groupthink-and for those with one percent of the knowledge in a society to be guiding or controlling those with the other 99 percent is as perilous as it is absurd.” Thomas Sowell. "In Australia there is no hierarchy of descent: there must be no privilege of origin" Bob Hawke, 1988.

[@MarkCreighton-tc7sy]

Peta making sense again.................................................

[@alwaysright3718]

$400,000,000 p!ss3d up the wall...

[@cliveo3]

Sad thing is ,that money could have helped improve people's lives instead of pissing it up against a wall .

[@BallisticCoefficient]

Well stated Ms Credlin. That was the truth.

[@peteormond2828]

@ 3:29 " our 3% hasn't allowed us to leverage that position " ! ! ? ? For 3% of the population & 40 Billion Dollars EACH YEAR for decades, you have - 3,278 Aboriginal Corporations organisations 243 Native Title Bodies 48 Land Councils 35 Regional Councils Over 122 Aboriginal Agencies 3 Advisory Bodies 145 Aboriginal Health Organisations 11 Federal Aboriginal MP's FAR MORE representation than the other 97% of the population ! How much more representation do you want ? This is what not one Yes campaigners are saying. thomas mayo ( one of the architects of the voice ) wants - reparations, a percentage of Australia's GDP, AND wants Australians "to pay the rent" AND also access to OUR Superannuation, all aboriginals to be released from jail and to go into aboriginal programs - and that ALL aboriginals be paid a wage ! And he has openly stated that "WE" will use "THEIR" money to pay "THEIR" lawyers to use "THEIR" Supreme Courts to get "OUR" way - Us and (white) Them - in his language. Those videos from him are there for all to see courtesy of Sky News Australia. It's a shame they don't play the full video of him outlining their plans for white Australia.

[@SigmaLigma.]

Hey Kenny, Labor are forbidden to cross the isle. Which means they all have the same point of view and are not a representative government. Atleast try to keep up ffs.

[@user-wu8en2zv7f]

All that is needed is good old fashion guidance to the current depts. Accountability of spent money would be first step.

[@bigboy9693]

So, the grifter on the left has a first class seat on the aboriginal grievance industry gravy train. While his seat is totally dependent on the grift never ending.

[@fredbear-sf9st]

Aboriginal people are responsible for themselves, just as I am responsible for me. My success or failure is on me and not the government. This is why we don’t have progress as people blame someone else for their failures. We can not spend 40 billion a year for another 200 years and not have accountability for your own actions.

[@gjhomes]

Peta is 100% correct!!! There are some closing the gap KPIs that are based on Indigenous people taking responsibility, attitudes and remotness and possibly genetics when it comes to health!!! This is why this insane focus on outcomes rather than opportunities is failing us.

[@user-SpeakEzi]

The same way we educate children in schools about Gender Equality,We should teach that all citizens are equal and eradicate division.

[@bmacaulay18]

Peta bringing up accountability is kryptonite to a grifter. 😂😅😂😅😂

[@jaysongabler591]

Yeah, why aren't they forced to go to school like everyone else? Place them in boarding schools if there's no suitable facilities in their outback locations. But no, then they'll throw out more "stolen generation" accusations our way.

[@suzannestrong9748]

The Liberal Party now need to make sure they continue to treat Jacinta with the respect she deserves. We will be watching.

[@suegibson8914]

I voted NO today, we are one people.

[@Conky769]

I'd say Chris Kenny is an early dementia patient

[@TheSarcasticEngineer]

Did they hear Credlin's point at all? She made a perfect arguement for personal responsibility needing to play a role in the discussion about the statistics, getting your kid to school is not about the government, and they answer with "a perfect argument for the voice"... what?!

[@markrobson6375]

People like Sean Gordon are the very reason we have a gap. He can see his empire starting to crumble and he's been exposed for what he is. Get rid of these privileged self entitled elites and let's have some change.

[@chrishooper8260]

Peta. Talking frankly and factually.

[@greatpar]

Peta I will move State and Electorate to vote for you. Thank you for your honesty.

[@normabalmaceda4554]

Peta Credlin, killed the one-page lie. Thank you to you, Andrew Bolt, for carrying on the One Australia, One Law, One flag despite the lies. Kudos to you!

[@Pacdoc-oz]

I have 6 children. I did not ask the Government to look after their mother when she was pregnant, we did that with proper diet and exercise and antenatal care, we did not have Government workers come and immunise the children against the deadly childhood illnesses, we went to the GP, we fed them and clothed them and protected them against sexual and physical abuse in a loving environment while we taught them the difference between right and wrong. We took them to school on time every school day properly washed and dressed after giving them a good breakfast and supplying them with food for the day. We demanded they were taught to read better, write and reckon as well as behave towards fellow pupils with respect and friendship and called out bullying promptly. It was OUR responsibility to detect if they were ill and get them proper medical diagnosis and treatment and bought the medicine and gave them the right doses at the right time until they were well. We taught them to obey the law, ALL the laws and gave appropriate punishment when necessary; always with clear explanation and with reassurance that it was their act or speech we judged while loving them no less. I expect NO LESS from every Australian Aboriginal adult - why not? The local Aboriginal mob have many people who do the same - and MANY WHO DO NOT It is the personal responsibility of those who do not - not mine, not the Government, not the taxpayer if they are violent, drunken, woman abusing, thieving, drug abusing, trouble making people.

[@SuperTimmy29]

Accountability is the next step.

[@kermitthehermit9588]

Somebody farted and nobody is claiming it

[@SigmaLigma.]

@user-bh5mz1dy1v I could straighten that out for her.

[@davidsolano5513]

You shut your pants lol

[@Prognosis__]

All the stooges on the ABC panel have farted in unison 😆

[@ianlister245]

...was it a wet one?

[@kermitthehermit9588]

@@user-bh5mz1dy1v 🤣😂 Holly moly

[@bobbywallace6009]

The teachers, police and trades that live in or regularly vist these communitys need to be commended for there efforts not criticized. Every time there is a media release stating that the education system is broken more teachers that are on the front line give up and leave. Its not their fault that the kids wont come to school.... 😢

[@ottotitslinger3430]

If you're spending 34 billion dollars every year and "not shifting the dial" says exactly what we all been saying all along...............that's not a constitutional problem, that's a corruption problem.....................where is that 34 billion going every year ??? somebody must be getting it 🤔

[@jennyohara4011]

Looks like the Bludger Aboriginies are going to lose every where

[@pwillis1589]

Thanks for displaying the moronic intellect of the racist No voter. Your contribution to an important debate has been invaluable.

[@jennyohara4011]

YOU LOST, PLEASE STAY LOST..HAHAHAHAHA @@pwillis1589

[@jennyohara4011]

Contribute to the country, get a job and no more handouts lololololololol, get a education, stay off the grog

[@jennyohara4011]

It will end up 70% tp 30% to you rubbish people@@pwillis1589

[@jennyohara4011]

No one really cares about the Aboriginies, we need all Government funding to them stopped..send them back to the bush!@@pwillis1589