let's build a MALICE pack! part 1: Frame Mods. taking an off-the-shelf ALICE pack and frame and making the tweaks to turn it into a high-speed-low-drag lean, mean, loadout machine!
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@christophersmith48973 жыл бұрын
lol, love you running comments in the text. I attached my MOLLE waist belt with the upper straps through the round hole with the it holding the bail against the frame, the lower runs though the bail and under the frame. Is very secure and has the effect of shifting where the ALICE frame rides on mine up by about 2 inches. I like it to ride a bit higher and on the belt. My canteens and other miscellaneous 'battle rattle' are securely attached to the MOLLE belt which is something you just can't do with the original ALICE belt. The best mod of ole ALICE for me was adding two 'cinch' straps, one just above the pockets and other through the handy belt loop like places the pocket snaps are attached to. That turned mine from Army tick to holding the weight right up against the frame, huge improvement. I also put a map/ document case with integrated bladder pocket on the frame. I carried the stock ALICE in the army and with the occasional improvement haven't seen a need to replace the ole gal.
@Thee-_-Outlier Жыл бұрын
Those shelves are cool. Turn that frame right into a trapping setup once at base camp
@WoolysWorld7 жыл бұрын
great video series and hello from Ireland, ive two Alice packs, a medium and a large, i bough the medium surplus 25 years ago and its still going strong
@maxamillion99765 жыл бұрын
Nice job. I recently started to do some upgrades to mine. I used some random hardware to upgrade the shelf so that it can hold the weight of the bag when fully packed and keep the bag standing upright.
@couchcamperTM7 жыл бұрын
haha the shelf. I bought one 10 years ago, but only this month I bought an ALICE frame with straps. Now I got another 10 years to think about what kind of pack I want to carry with it. Maybe a bucket or a suitcase ;)
@JustaSimplefact6 жыл бұрын
you could use nylon toilet flange bolts to affix the shelf to the frame, they're relatively low profile and light if that's an issue
@fredericlagarde2913 жыл бұрын
Merci super idée... !!!!🤙🇨🇵👍🤙🇨🇵👍
@monocogenit13 жыл бұрын
Lol funny video. Could make one of the shelves pretty easy out of aluminum
@robbiejames30714 жыл бұрын
Brother you are always going to the surplus store...😂😂😂. If I had one close, I would be going too.
@shovelhead87 жыл бұрын
Looks like a better strap system. I never could understand why you would not want the shelf. Thank you for the video
@renaissancemarinetv35367 жыл бұрын
well, it does add weight
@christophersmith48973 жыл бұрын
I always have the shelf on in case I need to carry something but also to add a bit of stiffness between the sleeping system carrier and ALICE. I keep my machete in sheath tucked between the shelf and bag when I want it close but not in plain sight. The slight weight increase beats the 'oh crap I wish I had it' for me. When I use just the shelf the cinch straps I keep around ALICE double to secure water cans and such to the frame.
@jastrapper190 Жыл бұрын
That’s an ALICE pack. There is confusion for me because there is another pack named MALICE which that ALICE ruck is not… 🤔 a tip. My shelf is a different style. If you have my style of shelf you can invert it and squeeze and “fit” it into the frame, out of the way behind the kidney pad, so the shelf is always kept with the large Alice and frame. It takes some fiddling with but once you learn how to squeeze it in You don’t even know it’s there unless you know what you are looking at. If needed the ruck cloth can be taken off from the frame. The shelf once unstrapped and pulled out of (I use surplus MOLLE gear straps with fastex buckles (x3) to secure the shelf on the “V” cross members behind the kidney pad frame when not in use or to secure 5 gallon pols jugs or wooden boxes to the frame when it is in use) the frame and installed in short order. Not sure if you can accomplish the same thing with the style of shelf you have. The ALICE imo is one of the best military rucks available to this day. I hit the Marine Corps just right in time to use and be issued three different style Rucks (Alice, FILBE, MOLLE, and I also have used the newest version) The ALICE was what I brought and used on my three combat deployments. It’s also the ruck I would use today. Besides maybe the MALICE which is why I watched this video… 😂
@ttmac89487 жыл бұрын
Great deal
@militarygearjunkie25227 жыл бұрын
I recommend using a battle belt for upgrading hip belt. pass through the original belt straps through the battle belt and hold them together by using zip ties. I did modify my alice medium that way and its super comfortable now!
@renaissancemarinetv35367 жыл бұрын
i did that on my get home bag, so that i can turn my pack belt and harness into web gear and dump the pack. great thinking!
@tomcatt18245 жыл бұрын
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@jaybee6505 Жыл бұрын
Just FYI if you use green apple dye one ACU patterns you get a Digital woodland pattern that works so well at not only making it not look stupid but camouflaging, I don't know why the army didn't just do it to fix the ACU atrocity.
Amazon has the stands...but they’re like $10-15 bucks...just FYI
@crusher31397 жыл бұрын
I've been looking to up grade my Alice. You got some great ideas. If you can still get the frame combo I'm very interested. thanks for the ideas.
@renaissancemarinetv35367 жыл бұрын
the best deal i see online is old grouch's surplus store. skinny medic recommends him, so i think hemust be pretty good. store.oldgrouch.biz/babaanddu.html
@Chromanoutdoors7 жыл бұрын
I made a MALICE mod. Instead of the straps and hip pad, I put MOLLE panels on the front after I took the large pouch and mag holders off.
@renaissancemarinetv35367 жыл бұрын
i would LOVE to see that! do a video on it!
@Chromanoutdoors7 жыл бұрын
Renaissance MarineTV Sure. Give me a few
@scouttroop2916 жыл бұрын
i can see the new pad cameo Mach the truck found a use for acu now
@thevegemiteoperator59027 жыл бұрын
My (i think modified) Australian army issue ALICE pack from the 1980s-90s that i got from an SASR soldier (and has been to the middle east something like 8 times) has one of those shelves. i mainly use it to carry PRC-77 radios and the more modern Raven radio. But the actually pack is in great condition and i think the operator i got it from may have modified it slightly because it has the more modern style of clips and has a lot more outer pockets than any other ALICE pack I've seen (Australian, U.S or other wise). But all in all my ALICe pack is just great.
@renaissancemarinetv35367 жыл бұрын
you should do a video "tour" of that pack. i would love to see it!
@thevegemiteoperator59027 жыл бұрын
Hey, I might do that, I've been thinking about starting an actual channel for a while, but I'm not actually in the military so i don't know how well i will be able to review the pack or anything, but i do Army Cadets so i do have a bit of "experience" in that sort of stuff
@renaissancemarinetv35367 жыл бұрын
you should do it! i would love to see that. loved vegemite when i was in perth/freemantle back in the 80s
@springbloom59405 жыл бұрын
The best thing to do, is to cut off the top half of the ALICE frame and strap it to a MOLLE frame, so your ALICE pack will slip onto it. Mount your ALICE to a MOLLE frame and youll never turn back. Its a little heavier than the ALICE frame, but load distribution and comfort is far superior, as well as carrying closer to your body, making you more agile.
@renaissancemarinetv35365 жыл бұрын
i have never seen that. have you done that?
@springbloom59405 жыл бұрын
@@renaissancemarinetv3536 Indeed. I started with just a ½" PCV 'hoop', but had an old wrecked ALICE frame, so I stripped it and tied it down with heavy duty zip ties. Another advantage is being able to set the carry height; I prefer mine a bit higher than either the MOLLE, or ALICE standard. Dry pack and frame is about 8½lb. A lot of that is the suspension hardware. The aluminum ALICE component weighs next to nothing. Thats pretty heavy, but it distributes very well.
@dwaynefick69472 жыл бұрын
Nice video . Where is this surplus store I can dig through ?
@renaissancemarinetv35362 жыл бұрын
H & B army navy in fort walton beach.
@TheRedneckprepper7 жыл бұрын
Nice way to tie the shelf in ! thats gonna be a must for me ! I need 4 shelf if they still have them ? they want 15 bucks here
@renaissancemarinetv35367 жыл бұрын
kaufmansarmysurplus.com is where i got them, 5 bucks a piece. i dont know what they would charge for shipping, but if your anywhere near samson alabama i recommmend checking them out. its an experience.
@TheRedneckprepper7 жыл бұрын
cool thanks
@jacksonweiss79787 жыл бұрын
Theredneck Prepper in
@dvig3261 Жыл бұрын
I dont agree...my original alice waist belt/kidney pad is perfect for me.
@Stellar123164 жыл бұрын
Where can i buy a frame im in Toronto Canada
@crypto_pinto26605 жыл бұрын
Joe's Army Navy has it but this is probably an old video
@jinbo0312886 жыл бұрын
i love my ALICE its the shit! i think it was used to carry M-249 machine gun belts would love to find out more i've messaged a lot of people but not much info its got 11 written on the lid and back with M-249 on left side and 11 in the middle on the flap that slips over the frame its got history i live in UK btw..
@renaissancemarinetv35366 жыл бұрын
sometimes grunts will customize gear like that. names, or labeling a pocket. just guessing but its possible that alice pack was a squad or platoon pack designated for the machine gunners's A-gunner, or assistant gunner.
@jinbo0312886 жыл бұрын
could it of been used by US Marines or just Regular US Army ? cheers for info mate!
@lcrsantaluzia4 жыл бұрын
Onde consigo esse kit aqui no Brasil?
@ravenbarsrepairs5594 Жыл бұрын
Wishing I could find the shelf for $5. Only place I've found that have them are charging $60.
@renaissancemarinetv3536 Жыл бұрын
colemans military surplus website. 5.95
@ravenbarsrepairs5594 Жыл бұрын
@@renaissancemarinetv3536 And they're out of stock. Just placed an order from there for the MSS carriers and some canteen pouches. If they were in stock, I'd have ordered them. I've noticed on the site that they never take old listings down, so I suspect the price reflects them clearancing them off back when alice packs fell out as a common item. I do have a message into my local surplus store, but not holding much faith that they have them. They're over an hr away on the edge of Fort Drum. As I'm also doing the Hellcat mod on the pack, I'll likely need to extend the frame 6-8" downward to run both a shelf and the shelf, and I'm thinking of a DIY triangular shelf to reduce weight, and give 3 points of contact(more stable on uneven ground) rather than 4 legs.
@favioarias210011 ай бұрын
Donde puedo encontrar un morral como ese
@johnlindsay64652 жыл бұрын
Maybe in your area they're rare but while I'm at the Army Surplus Store is sitting on a case of 5 600 of the backpack shelves lower and medium Yarmouth Surplus Store up north of us has the same amount in the cargo platform Shelf and they're very reasonable price at like five bucks a piece you might want to contact the Sandpoint Idaho army military store or the Bonners Ferry Idaho military surplus store they have great deals I'm a lot of military gear stuff you guys say is out of stock and loss and no longer available but it seems to be invaluable in great quantities here
@macgyver24176 жыл бұрын
Alice pack shelf needed.U should sell them.old corp 69-73
@johnlindsay64652 жыл бұрын
Also the military store in Salt Lake City near Sandy and there's another military surplus store 40 miles north very huge military surplus store that got Jeeps I got tanks I got into heavy assault assault vehicles boats and they got like 10 acres ab store and another 35 Acres of outside store
@fakenews72662 жыл бұрын
Can you still get these shelves , I need one .
@renaissancemarinetv35362 жыл бұрын
i thinnk they are pretty common on ebay. every now and again i see them at my favorite surplus store for ten bucks or less.
@fakenews72662 жыл бұрын
@@renaissancemarinetv3536 We don't have any surplus stores within 40 miles from where I live . F . J . B .
@micahfrye88855 жыл бұрын
Those shelfs aren't rare at all are they?
@renaissancemarinetv35365 жыл бұрын
they are around here
@edwo66485 жыл бұрын
10$ on ebay. Common as dirt.
@manta1969manta6 жыл бұрын
Hello! Can you help my to buy Alice pack shelf?!
@renaissancemarinetv35366 жыл бұрын
this is the guy to buy it from store.oldgrouch.biz/alpacashnews.html
@manta1969manta6 жыл бұрын
Renaissance MarineTV thanks a lot!
@scouttroop2916 жыл бұрын
What is Alice mean
@renaissancemarinetv35366 жыл бұрын
all purpose light weight individual carrying equipment, or some such.