Let's Have A New Modesty Conversation (feat. Lillian Fallon)

[@mariamallozzi7047]

Love how you used the word “reverence”. If I would’ve been taught in that way, it would’ve been a game changer. Due to the way I was taught about modesty, I viewed my body as a bad thing and reverted to sexualizing myself and having anger against those who would tell me I need to “cover up for the boys”… If I ever am blessed with daughters one day, I will totally be using that word instead. Thank you for all you do! ❤️

[@madams.5976]

I really never thought too much about this topic. I guess because I always was taught to dress appropriately. I know that word is very relative, especially in todays culture. For me, it’s dressing classic or appropriately. I don’t even have to think about it. That doesn’t mean we have to wear a potato sacks or look frumpy or like a pilgrim. It doesn’t mean you can’t wear shorts or even a bathing suit when at the beach. It does mean you don’t wear shorts so short that your cheeks are exposed or your bathing suit was made of less fabric than a Kleenex tissue. Have respect for our body. That’s what my mom used say. We don’t have to see your body to tell you have a good figure. If you feel you have to show off your body, then maybe there is something else deeper going on. Your body is a precious gift. Anyway, that’s my take away.

[@andreagilberti4776]

Well said Maria!

[@michelgellad8666]

Maria hello!

[@uteme]

Thank you!!! Your outfit is darling, feminine, flattering AND modest. But, as you stated, modesty begins inside...your points re: modesty are spot on! ♡

[@calmcomb7603]

“You were created on purpose” was something I didn’t even know I needed to hear

[@MsLaura704]

THIISSS so much^^^ 🙌🙌🙌

[@nikkid8834]

On purpose, for a purpose

[@caterinadc5567]

For real, I came back to this video today to hear it again. "It's the Creator of the universe who created you, too... In creating this world, God was like, *'Hmm, you know what, this world is pretty great, but I think Sarah needs to exist too. I want her to exist in eternity with me.'* ... It's personal. It's really personal." Cheers and thanks, Lillian, for sharing this video. :)

[@heathersnyder8789]

Same.

[@boss56679]

As a guy battling lust, this greatly helps me look through the eyes of God and how He sees women and their incredible role in creation. Thank you so much. God bless!

[@hoakerhoaker]

Regular confession will nip that one in the bud. Eventually you’ll be disgusted looking at women who dress to sell their wares. They’re not wife material, I promise you When a woman doesn’t respect herself, don’t expect a man to respect her either.

[@Neb-ie5mj]

You’re not alone in this battle my friend.

[@EcstaticTemporality]

Try this. Pray to see as God sees and feel what He feels. Make God center.

[@carlswindelliv2701]

yeah as a guy battling lust myself I still find it hilarious the way women get mad at me for staring at them!!!!!!! ur mad cuz I am staring but ur dressing very immodestly!!!!!!!!

[@yesindeed804]

@@hoakerhoaker The virtuous man will respect her regardless....

[@Storyteller2078]

The most beautiful thing to me… is a pregnant mother. Every time a see a new mother, no matter the stage, I can’t stop myself from smiling. I can’t stop from thinking "there is the most stunning thing of all God’s creations-the bearing of Life."❤️

[@cuttiecrazy11]

When I see a pregnant person, all I can think about is how miserably uncomfortable she probably is And how painful giving birth will be And how awful the recovery process is And all the sleepless nights she’ll have once the baby is born Kudos to you for seeing the beauty in all that suffering

[@jazzyLee573]

@@cuttiecrazy11 thanks for killing the mood buddy

[@cuttiecrazy11]

@@jazzyLee573 Just being real

[@cuttiecrazy11]

@@jazzyLee573 Pregnancy and motherhood is no fantasy

[@barbarafenton1775]

If we as women were taught the beauty and majesty of motherhood, of being a part of God's creative work, the discomfort and suffering would be much more easily endured because we would realize it has true purpose. Rather than thinking we just have to endure the suffering without any thought of it's true worth.

[@jeromemassimino]

i am a guy. Your talk was simply marvelous. I loved the way you spoke about the beauty and reverence of being a woman

[@F3z07]

This is pretty refreshing stuff, as a single Catholic myself. Thank you!

[@sarahfebruary]

I 100% wear skirts now, all the time, and I cannot emphasize how this has changed my life. I wear below the knee to ankle length skirts, and sometimes I hear cover. Arms covered to the elbow most of the time. I feel like a queen, and I find that I can wear in Our Lady's footprints, as her daughter.

[@michaelchovanes6033]

Trying to "legislate" modesty with quick repeatable rules is a completely losing battle. Good work by Lilly threading the needle with a thoughtful, practical, and uplifting discussion on the topic!

[@carlswindelliv2701]

it's only a losing battle cuz too many people have a negative view of modesty already I. their hearts!!!!!!!!!!!! let's face it if women aren't modest it's cuz it's cuz lust from the guys is what women want so what they do is show a lot of cleavage!!!!!!!!!!!

[@theresecampion8445]

" This world is pretty great, but I need Sarah to exist too. I want her to be with me in eternity. " As a Sarah, that is exactly what I needed to hear. Thank you!

[@TruthSeeker-333]

Lillian, if you didnt know already, the TLM groups in NYC/NJ are amazing, many women and men trying to live your advice

[@johnmccrossan9376]

The other side of this is absolutely crucial too, from our pov as men we have to start having our own version of modesty talks that encourage this sort of thing. If you claim to be a man of faith you have a duty to help make a world where no young girl should feel like she has to make herself an object to please you or gain some sort of attention from you. It's not enough to just be careful about not falling for lust or seeking women who dress in ways that encourage lust you have to find other ways of complimenting the women in your life, particularly the young women in a way that highlights their soul and who they are. If you want to say you're pretty or you've lost weight or something about their outfit talk about their face, their hair, the colour coordination. We need to seek out women who do dress modestly, not because they feel obligated to but because they feel confident in the father's love for them and don't need the sort of fleeting validation you get by dressing provocatively. When we see a young woman dressing like a harlet we shouldn't be like the pharisees, judging as if we were better than they because of unspiritul things, but we should be like our lord and weep for the person who, underneath it all is trapped within her own mind.

[@grimspound7981]

My spouse is not religious but very ‘modest’. She’s shy but very decisive in what she wants to wear and when, and sees her fashion choice as a personal issue and a source of pride

[@peace-and-quiet]

I don't think modesty and pride go together. They're opposites. You cannot be "modest" and "prideful" at the same time. Just say'in.

[@xty070]

@@peace-and-quiet I don't think he meant pride in the way you are thinking.. If something is a source of pride to you, it doesn't necessarily mean you are being prideful.

[@grimspound7981]

@@peace-and-quiet Well, perhaps a different sort of pride. As in she’s confident and not boastful.

[@grimspound7981]

@@xty070 Thank you! Also I didn’t receive the notifications for these messages how odd.

[@dialogos585]

Thank you Lillian. I love your perspectives. Grateful you're educating girls and boys how important this is. We need to end objectification. Not objectifying ourselves is the first step.

[@iidentifyasayoutubertoday7025]

My dad was a really strict, mean, angry and scary Christian. I got in trouble for stepping out of line even the slightest bit. He was very strict about everything but he never actually explained why. So when I got older, I didn't appreciate modesty because I was never taught what it actually meant.

[@andreathemisses1422]

Nothing like trashing your dad.

[@samanthas969]

I experienced the exact same thing! Im glad i understand the importance of modesty now.

[@knowtheebetter]

What a beautiful video. I never thought that addressing self-worth and reverence can be so powerful.

[@angelalemos9811]

I'm glad that you talked a bit more about the internal aspect but I wish you had also explained other sins against modesty such as gossiping, boasting etc since it's not just the clothing being reflected on the outside. It's about overall character. Glad you mentioned the inside to some extent because that's not something we really get in these other modesty videos on KZbin. You can always count on a Catholic

[@jesuslover53787]

Beautifully stated!! In other conversations on modesty, I’ve always felt an undertone of condemnation. Thank you for sharing your wisdom. May God bless your soul!

[@aenigmatica8]

I love the way you’re coming at this contentious and difficult conversation!

[@juliakolbe511]

I am looooving these videos with Lillian ❤️

[@nikkid8834]

She's brilliant and beautiful A breath of fresh air

[@marilynvelez8147]

It's about time someone covered this for you ger crowd dressing modestly doesn't have to be old or frumpy.

[@alejandromilatorres8053]

Your video is amazing, almost unbelievable, a very intelligent woman, a modest woman, a woman of God, God bless you, the whole world needs more women like you!!!

[@mytwocents7303]

"It is through Eve that Adam understands who he is," I love it! Even in marriage woman sets the bar in the conjugal relationship. Fallen man needs to be led by the woman's modesty. Modesty states our value and self worth.

[@hoakerhoaker]

Mmm, no. Not a wife’s duty to disciple a husband whose mother didn’t raise with respect and reverence. She’s his wife, not his mommy and nanny. Adam wasn’t the only one who “fell.”

[@mytwocents7303]

@@hoakerhoaker After the fall, we are all fallen and need to come to a state of grace through conversion and redemption as Jesus established. I would add that holy men need to raise holy men (father's role). Mom's definitely need to demonstrate modesty to form a man's mind in holiness as he grows up. But parenting often falls short too and wives end up with the task. Male and female have a spiritual responsibility towards God and each other always, modesty is part of that spiritual responsibility.

[@affel6559]

@@mytwocents7303 "But parenting often falls short too and wives end up with the task." Let's not forget the ladies here. When I leave the house, it is the women who dress 100 times less modestly than the men. There are exceptions and many men dress sloppy/inappropriate for sure but let's not kid ourselves that women are dressing like whores to the Millions in most Western countries.

[@sarahh6401]

I was apprehensive to click on this video, but I loved that you reframed it with the word reverence and spoke to it more of an internal state, rather than an external behavior that is focused on dressing a certain way because we're "supposed to" or "for the boys." I have such hope that younger generations of women will feel much less ashamed about their bodies. I wish the youth group leaders I had in middle/high school were sharing this side of the story. Loving all the videos with Lillian!! ♡

[@kaityroseg.9051]

Please please keep making videos. This is exactly the explanation I needed to hear. God bless you

[@BarbaraTheViolinist]

I loved it.Thank you so much. I have been changing my clothes choice over the past few years along coming closer to God. It is hard in my profession as a performer but I do my best. God bless! x

[@nicoleyoshihara4011]

Yes to modesty 💯❤ It's so difficult finding cute modest dresses so I'm thinking of getting sweaters and maxi skirts and then can mix and match ^_^

[@nicoleyoshihara4011]

​@Bok Choy Yes and it's so refreshing to not have to worry about accidentally showing something. Let's make modesty cool again!^_^💯❤

[@BrookeTherese]

Such a great explanation of modesty!

[@cheche3380]

Love this video ❤️ lots of blessings and love sending out to all of you who is watching, and thank you 😊

[@hopehelmer7797]

Wow. This was SUCH an informative video and gave me such a pause for thought. Lots to reconsider and pray about. Thank you 🙏🏼

[@jorgeestradajr2217]

Thank you! I search constantly for ways to be a better father and how to approach this subject with my daughter. I appreciate the reference to Von Hilldebrand, very insightful!

[@ireneniederhut5076]

What an insightful and beautifully expressed way to view modesty! The idea that a woman’s womb is touched by the God who created the universe at the sacred moment of conception, and that self-worth and reverence rather than rules are at the core of modesty are powerful concepts. All young girls need to hear this.

[@alejandromilatorres8053]

Yes, that is why abortion is a satanic sacrifice... first immodesty, then lust, then fornication, then murder (abortion).

[@musiclist4792]

I get what Alice Von Hildebrand is trying to say, but conception, and thus the beginning of life, does not occur in the womb. It occurs before the baby implants there. Does any other theologian or any magisterial document refer to woman as a co creator or is she the only one?

[@roseideal2411]

Thank you This is a highly edifying topic and graciously wisely presented

[@kurtteixeira]

Hahaha. Thank you and God Bless. Reverence is such a powerful and beautiful way to put it.

[@christinaschmidt5539]

Lillian, I absolutely love how you addressed this topic. It's so beautiful and I think it will help so many people who struggle with it.

[@ryanscottlogan8459]

The funny thing is Lillian is that you can be very modest and look stunning.Look at the gorgeous fashions of the 1950’s!

[@anonimai]

I like how you said to not approach people callous or disgusted

[@Neb-ie5mj]

Lillian you are hitting all the right marks!! Thank you for your witness

[@gabrielaperez3120]

Thank you! We need to listen more about this. And know the reason behind the word. I agree with you, we need to know our worthiness as women, and feel as God beloved daughter to show internally and externally his love.

[@lisaharmon8401]

There was a commenter on Brian holdsworths channel who presented modesty in women as a counterpoint to chivalry in men. There is a lot in that thought.

[@Atothe7420]

All I can say is wow! I can listen to you all day

[@anneschorr3406]

I am a " mature " woman, so to speak but I am recently exploring this topic. Thank you for your thoughtful insight. Lately, I have been relating modesty to kindness. Immodest dressing can come off as very haughty and boastful like " look at me ". Modestly, on the other hand says, " there's more to me than what meets the eye. I am deeper than just my physical appearance." I helps people to see the inside, perhaps, before just the outside, especially with women since our bodies are more shapely, generally. Just a thought.

[@davidcole333]

I agree with this very much. Immodest dressing is just a cry for attention in my opinion.

[@andrewewell]

Wonderful job, Lillian. Beautifully explained!

[@emagenie]

this is the first catholic " modesty " video that actually wasn't condescending to women.

[@cjgonzales1994]

Thank you Ms Lillian

[@jamieesalcido6804]

Thank you for this video. This is going to help the girls in my Youth group so much.

[@paulashute1054]

Amazing content as always, Lilly!

[@leamarie6039]

Inspiring talk from this Queen🙏keep up and God Bless you!

[@peytonfamily1198]

The intro killed me!🤣🤣 But seriously, great video! I love the way you tackled it!

[@jimlittle7111]

One of my favorite things to say at Mass. "Show a little modesty" And you'll get the attention you deserve.

[@Ezekiel336-16]

Ok, I'm with you sister (just over 5 minutes in), so I don't know if you get to this, but I would encourage you not to differentiate between the sacredness of a woman's body compared to a man's. I say that because, if the Holy Spirit is truly living inside any follower of Christ (man or woman), that makes that person's body a sacred temple of the Lord. Given that, it is no more appropriate or faithful for me as a man to dress and present myself (and the Lord in me) in a way that dishonors Him and my body anymore than it is for you or any other woman to do so. In Christ, Andrew

[@catherinef2260]

Reverence is a nice way to think of it especially for the guys who struggle with lust. Saw some guys in the comments who implied they cant help but stare if a woman is dressed immodestly. I think when you find reverence for the female form it wont matter how immodestly she dresses you wont lust, but will have reverence. You might not like the immodesty either, but just remember to approach her with love and not write her off as someone unworthy.

[@alinacash786]

Wow. I am amazed and floored! Thank you

[@mattkosta9755]

I expected just another bad talk on modesty, but what I got was very well-done. Great work!

[@bridgetg2661]

Thank you - great video 🙏🏻

[@thenotoneman2812]

It's weird but often when I hear modesty talks I became very anxious and afraid of looking to any woman that I find on the streets or even female characters that don't match exactly what people prescribe in those circles. And also some times I think I don't sin see women that don't wear those prescribed clothes, but only in a few cases: cartoonish female characters and some body types that don't look inappropriate in those clothes.

[@anniethompson1041]

I have a slim figure but large bust. I am committed to dressing modestly but It's a lot tougher with a larger bust. For example, if I wore what Lillian is wearing in this video it would be considered immodest. It's almost impossible for those of us with larger ones to find flattering modest clothes. Thinking about starting my own line of clothing.

[@lorraineklimek1677]

I think men also need to dress modestly. To be sure, this is not nearly as big an issue as it is with women because men’s clothing in general is different than women ‘s. But when I see a man in a public place (not the beach) walking around without a shirt or wearing very short shorts, I find it disturbing. Gym clothes should not be worn on the street by either men or women, but looking around, I see that my opinion is in the minority.

[@mariab9707]

I loved this video, thank you for putting it into these words!…

[@luke9747]

Wow this was really good. Thanks for posting

[@davemart8221]

Thank you…. Well done!

[@Frank020]

Hii, I liked your singles vid. Can you please make more about living out the single, loner, chaste, life ? Lol. Practical daily stuff to avoid temptations maybe. Or, finding friends group. (single guys w no GF are not popular )

[@ArrozConPollllo]

I second this idea!!!

[@fram1111]

I like your explanation and advice.

[@nhy320]

"in becoming a co-creator ... (women are) given a piece of God's heart"

[@musiclist4792]

Does JPII also refer to woman as a co-creator?

[@taraelizabethdensley9475]

I struggle finding skirts or dresses as i'm only 5ft, so the midi skirts/dresses end up ankle length 🤣

[@mariachiarabertolini1496]

Your outfit😍

[@antonionwachukwu1054]

Thank You

[@geoffwilson9273]

I think the first thing that got some warning bells ringing was the exclusion of rules, this same line of thinking was used at the beginning of the feminist movement. Next was a ‘new age’ one liner, ‘if it feels good,do it”. How one feels does not substantiate reality or morality. But, for some reference, if someone dresses (either directly or indirectly) to cause thoughts or feelings of desire and lust to make themselves feel wanted and desired, that’s called Scandalizing others. Btw, I would not allow my daughter to wear the shirt you are wearing, slightly to low for sure.

[@avia9735]

Beautiful explanation

[@alejanmf22]

4:35 I would personally add the fact that the average female clothing that you can find in the market is pretty unmodest (in focused more on been sexy than anything else) and the average man clothing is really a lot more modest (men shirts cover all the chest and shorts go down to the knee). You can also look at fashion magazines and publicity in general, were women are more likely to be shown in a sexual way and the young girls are probably thinking that they should look like that too or that's the only way you can dress.

[@franciscos.a.l.135]

BOUNDARIES, DID YOU SAY BOUNDARIES, I LOVE BOUNDARIES!!! It is an important topic, both in reverence to the temple in us as the lord God's. I think today is a problem for men also. Wearing shorts to Sunday (any) Mass, but women have a task, definitely. They have to think about others. Reverence is a good term. Reverence to ourselves, deserved respect most certainly.

[@nancyward8589]

I agree with your views and perceptions about how women should dress modestly, but I disagree with how you let men off the hook; should men walk around half naked without a shirt? Should their pants or shirts should be so tight it's as if the garment was "poured" onto it? No!

[@davelaz5582]

Jackie Kennedy was a wonderful modesty example.

[@andrewadkins533]

Decency is to avoid lusty dress. Modesty is avoid opulence in dress. Both avoid ostentation for its own sake.

[@jennifer8535]

4:18-7:01 amazing message!!!! ❤️

[@dezmondaigilo]

Women like Lillian are rare

[@K1R4SH1KE1]

When you said something along the lines of, "The same God who created the universes, created you," I never thought about it like that. I'm a teenage girl who's going through a lot of self worth issues and I have been for about five years now, and it's gotten really bad recently. I think that's a line that I'll think of a lot more often. Hopefully I'll be able to make that reflect in the clothes I wear too. Almost every day for school, I'm worried that if I wear a certain something, I look like a w***e (figured I'd censor myself lol). It's a constant fear that I have, but hopefully in time, I won't worry about it. According to my dad, I dress very modestly, and I usually go clothes shopping with my mom, so I believe there's no way she would let me go out looking like what I fear I do. Now that I think about it, most of my clothes consist of baggy anime shirts and the few "crop tops" I have don't even go further up than my belly button lol. Sorry this came out like a full essay, these were just some thoughts I had. If anyone has any advice or anything to ad on to what Mrs. Lillian said, I'm all ears. Thanks to Ascension Presents too. I started watching them in the eighth grade for an assignment, and now I've been subscribed for a while. Again, sorry for the long comment lol.

[@petersimon5874]

Thank you. 🙂

[@seans.131]

Very important message, Lillian. Thank you for sharing. I just read this and it agrees with you [5:43]: “God made you [women] beautiful, that He might be admired even in your beauty.” ~St. John Chrysostom. God bless😊

[@seans.131]

@@cassie1421 Chrysostom gave precedence to the soul over the body, and Lillian states, "A woman's beauty [is] both physical and internal." God bless you😊I am certain God wants to be associated with you😊 (Source: 'Women & Men in the Early Church: The Vision of St. John Chrysostom' by Ford)

[@randallgoedel]

I like how this is presented, however, both males and females need to have reverence for their bodies and dress modestly. I will probably have all of my kids watch this one.

[@bryt8158]

This is a great one 👏 👌

[@geoffwilson9273]

Ever read St. padre pio? He kicked women out of Church who weren’t wearing a full shawl to cover up. He called them scandalous

[@oliviaswyden4808]

Off topic, but this beautiful room behind you!!! Is this your home, Lillian?

[@lauradahlus]

I think men need to display and act out in modesty too. If they don't it could be tempting to women which is not pure. 😇

[@lukepascual9944]

The woman is the most beautiful creation God had made.

[@3boymom05]

Excellent explanation of this controversial topic!

[@WillNelson73]

Modesty applies to men as well. Not as much as with women, but men should be modest as well

[@uteme]

You're correct; they need to think modestly & respectfully, keeping our Savior in mind at all times. You made a valid point. Thank you. ✝️

[@csongorarpad4670]

Most definitely. Women, as well as, men need to be considerate by dressing and acting modestly so as not to lead their brothers and sisters astray and into temptation.

[@peace-and-quiet]

There's nothing worse than seeing a man in skinny pants or a slim-fit suit. Yikes 😱. The man-bun is also gross. Catholic women want men to be men. Stop with the effeminate attire. Children see this and assume it's the thing to do. Stop setting a poor example.

[@Frank020]

We don't have much to show. What do you mean?

[@Frank020]

@CJ P. lol 😂 will do. I go shirtless we have 100+ around the house. I try not to show plumbers crack, although sometimes it happens by mistake, since I like loose pants.

[@maryritatrzybinski3836]

Modesty is a loaded term, but I think it would actually be more effective to re-capture its true meaning instead of substituting a different word.

[@josemariacorti9490]

Excellent

[@GB-xt4hc]

Well, we could use more modesty at Mass.

[@MissPopuri]

Speaking of the King of the Universe wanting me in his world, I had the theme song for Jimmy Neutron in my head this morning. This kid was a boy genius who created many inventions. I relate more to the female counterpart Cindy even though I wouldn’t say I was very good in Science or Math in school.

[@metildajoseph5265]

Greetings Lady Lillian, Modesty also comes with Simplicity and Realistic in Social aspects. Key Thoughts : I Simply respect Humanity but Preferably Stay away from Empowered Thoughts of Women. Special Thoughts : HolyBible clearly mention about Modesty through Corinthians : 6 - (19 - 20) in every sense in All aspects. With regards with Prayers, for Everyone, RanjithJoseph (R.J)

[@17cmmittlererminenwerfer81]

You can't "shirk away". You "shrink away".

[@michaelanthony4750]

If you dress with respect for yourself, you will attract those who have respect as well.

[@lijh]

"Only Leggings" for anything other than exactly working out in a designated exercise scenario is a big negative tell. Dresses always look great, exclusively feminine, incredible styles & combos to use. Neckline & plunge tops have plenty of play. Camisoles, scarves...etc. Can make an attractive outfit. At mass & church events be mindful of who you're dressing for, God! But you can always sport fashion & style. For gents, are tight pants really that bad? Most folks feel bad for guys in tight clothing. Men used to dress comfortably, roomy pants & shirts & it's coming back. Unbuttoned dress shirts accent, muscles & chest hair when not paired with crew t-shirts. Though testosterone, hair, muscle does denote virility & vitality. Though the same school of thought applies. Dress for God.

[@mraemartinez]

It’s not that difficult. It’s called dignified. The end.

[@Publius-24]

Saint Matthew 16:24 Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Whoever wishes to come after me must deny himself, take up his cross, and follow me.

[@ryanscottlogan8459]

How about a video encouraging women to cover their heads in church.It is an ancient practice that existed for 1970 years and is enjoying quite a revival among Catholic women!❤️

[@sia9907]

Christian modesty isn't about fashion. It's really not about clothing and accessories and it has nothing to do with men's perception of women or being covered or uncovered. It's got nothing to do with women's worth, either. Changes in clothing should be an expression of a Christian set of values that encompass everything we do. Values like simplicity, honesty, thinking of the other more than self, humility, frugality, should come through in everything any Christian does. Related to caring for the other, the amount of time 'beauty' and 'fashion' take up, which could be better spent on others or on prayer, goes against Christian values. Think of a Catholic sister. Those who choose not to wear the habit offer the best example ever of Christian modesty in dress. Not everyone is called to religious life. I get it. But the spirit (Spirit) sisters embody in their simple clothing is the ideal and a great example of what all women should be inspired towards. This video offers a far better way to present the topic than I've seen coming from a mainstream American source before and I'm so pleased. It's progress. I believe Christian women can take it a step further, though, by focusing on the bigger picture. Clothing can be a natural expression of inner growth led by the Spirit. That way, without any rules, we start *getting modesty in clothing as a side-effect of our more important spiritual work.

[@neyetm5550]

AWWWWW this is lush