Let's Play! - Warhammer 40k: KILL TEAM Octarius (2021) by Games Workshop

[@GlassHalfDead]

The madlad himself getting all this hobby done. Great job!

[@FMMProductions]

It’s strange your rules were binder bound but GMGs isn’t. Did you do it yourself?

[@lostforever130]

@@FMMProductions Yerp, he mentioned he got it bound for like 4 UK moneys.

[@Sprattocaster]

@@FMMProductions Glass went somewhere and got it bound professionally. It's cheap to do!

[@michielroskam3877]

dutch rudder hello to you

[@tabletopskirmishgames]

Awesome to see the game in action … knew you’d be the first to get a bat rep up! 🤣 The terrain looks bigger than I thought it would be. Great video and amazing job getting it all ready so fast 👊

[@richardokeeffe8375]

Only Ash can paint the box before it arrives. It’s kind of like how warp travel works 🤔

[@baphometsvomitcomet2350]

This made me SO HYPE about the new Kill Team. Like this feels very granular and tactical, very distinct from the strategy game of 40k. You are making so many decisions for each model each turn (hidden or engaged, attacking or parrying, how to spend the limited action points, etc.). It rules

[@oldhammered]

We acquired some of those junk piles from the Mekboy Workshop terrain set a couple of years ago, but I'm liking the Octarius shanty buildings as well. Could be dual-purposed for post-apocalyptic games outside the 40k universe. Even better, put the buildings on an ocean mat for a Waterworld scenario.

[@timothyalarcon7273]

I really like how you painted up the terrain. Very gritty yet orky at the same time. An absolute vibe.

[@PMMagro]

Some very new, for GW, ideas in this one. I do like that a lot. Hard to say how this will end up but clearly a change up ruleswise. very nice to see GW leave that old formula here.

[@PapaWargamer]

The fastest builder and painter on Earth strikes again. That is what it takes to be part of a kill team. 🤪

[@DonKarlioni]

It’s great to see a battle report for this already and it looks like you enjoyed it. Given the rules aren’t out it would be useful for you to explain the rules while you play. Understanding how the rules work would make it easier to decide whether the new rules are worth bothering with or not.

[@Inquisitor_Vex]

There have been articles on Warhammer community that explain bits and pieces (how shooting works, etc). Glass Half Dead on KZbin does some really good “how to Killteam” imo too.

[@anollk]

Great content, like that you do play throughs of the boxes with built and painted stuff. Enjoyed the Blackstone lets play.

[@VictorSteiner]

50:10 we played it like this too, but the rulebook says that moving up walls is done in increments of 2 inches. So even if climbing up is 3 inches, it costs you 4. So I guess that charge you did there was just barely doable (3 + climb 3 + 1 would have cost 3 + 4 + 1) (some charges in our first game were illegal then I guess).

[@robertchmielecki2580]

They get so many rules wrong it's as if they were playing a different game altogether, to be honest. It seems to be the same with other games too - I guess they play too many of them to get them right.

[@bingobangoist]

It's not every game ladies and gentlemen that lets you "fire a guided missile into your knob" keep up the good work guys. :-)

[@marks6928]

Ash paints and builds like Johnny 5 reads. Great job 👏

[@thomasrobinson6320]

That pre-game set-up phase seemed a bit convoluted gotta say. Models look great, and I like how combat and shooting always feels like your model is doing something now. But yeah, seems like the set-up takes a lot of time for a quick pick-up game. Still, cool to watch.

[@nehrigen]

Between that and the reliance on a CP system I'm not going to get into this. Why can't units/armies have "once per game" rules instead of CP junk? All it does is complicate a game.

[@willnox1]

@@nehrigen I freaking hate CP with a passion...its a terrible system. Just give the units the rules in there unit profile. No need for MTG gotcha moments in a wargame. GW games are barely wargames at this point.

[@thomasrobinson6320]

Don't get me wrong, I still think this will wind up being better than Kill Team 2018. That game had...problems. It's just that the set-up seemed really complicated, I guess without any wider context of what it;s for? Like, why do you set this conceal vs engage for instance. It seems more like a learning hump than anything else. And the CP systems fine in my eyes. But I also really like ASOIAF tactics cards, so it might just be preference.

[@kennyalford7922]

@@thomasrobinson6320 the conceal or engage is just that concealed cant get shot at when in cover but cant shoot. Engage is just them not doing that so Idk why they have to declare engage to begin with.

[@pedrobastos8132]

@@willnox1 Just play One Page Rules' games then. Alternating activation, streamlined dice rolling and no CP shenanigans, just straight up whatever is on the unit's profile. Also, if comparing Kill Team with Grimdark Future Firefight (which is their skirmish ruleset) you play on a bigger surface (48x48 inches, just like Necromunda), weaker units (cultits, poxwalkers, etc) come as squads of 3 models (exception being grots that come in groups of 5), you can use bikes (yeaaaah, bigger table man!), and the game supports a wide variety of models, you'll have more options than you will ever get with KT.

[@mykeycuento5576]

Ok that looked fun! Excited for my Kill Team Octarius to arrive! :)

[@mylesmanore6197]

Just ordered my set, and I am now looking forward to it even more! Da Bordalads (my orks) are eager to get to krumpin!!! WAAAGH!!!

[@adrianneumann5867]

I don’t know if I’m qualified to say this, but the last video I saw with you was with a middle earth sbg video, you look so much better! Great job!

[@euansmith3699]

Da boyz dun gud! It is astonishing to see that you got the minis and terrain painted up in no time. The game looks to be quite fun.

[@clayperce7375]

This series is an awesome resource for anyone thinking about getting into the new Kill Team. Thanks so much!

[@Azrael-XIII]

The only part I’m not crazy about is the conceal/engage rules. At the very least I don’t plan on using the tokens for *both* like if a unit is concealed put a token next to it, if it’s engaged just *remove* the concealed token…

[@GamingwithTheCooler]

Yesssss

[@Akhreysh]

The side of the token is also a reminder of miniatures activations. Orange : can activate this turning point, gray : already activated. Removing the token for engage order will not help keeping track of which mini can still be activated.

[@Azrael-XIII]

@@Akhreysh it’s not like it’s that hard to keep track of which of your units you’ve moved and which you haven’t, i mean it’s not any different than moving full squads in full 40K and nobody uses tokens for that…

[@Akhreysh]

@@Azrael-XIII With the GA stat it's a bit trickier. If you activated a mini with GA 2 but forgot to move another one with GA 2 at the same time, it's activation will be lost for the turning point. You won't be able to activate it later as with GA 2 you must activate 2 minis with GA 2 if you have more than 1.

[@EpicureanCapn]

Personally, I’m gonna be printing fighter cards to keep my tokens on like Necromunda or Warcry.

[@burroc5536]

Wow snipers seem extremely powerful again. The orc sniper was surprisingly effective. So much for orc Dakka quantity over quality, they do both!

[@bryangoh3080]

Pretty sure that single ork sniper could have killed the whole guard army without much effort :p

[@dkartzinel]

Great game, looks like a huge improvement on Kill Team, can't wait to play.

[@pedrobastos8132]

Well, the core gameplay seems pretty solid, I like the full-on alternating activations and how shooting and melee are resolved, but the game seems riddled with an *insane* amount of wonky, fiddly rules. I mean, during setup I was just "what?" and then when I noticed that the mission rules are a freaking two page spread and I was like "why?'

[@Original-Yellow]

Theyre really pushing the itc system hard. It really ads a lot of time to a game whether kt or 40k.

[@pedrobastos8132]

@@Original-Yellow can't say I'm enjoying the way its headed. I just wanted to put some models on the table and throw some dice and have some dumb Fun, not this overcomplicated, unwieldy system. I always thought that KT 2018 was an okay game that had the problem of bad wording (Injury rolls was fine, they were just terribly written and barely comprehensible) and too many exceptions to its core rules i.e. too many fiddly rules that wouldn't just come up that often, but often enough that it would be a nuisance. At first glance it seems they really made a great job of coming up with a better core system, but the fiddly wonky rules are still there, albeit different

[@pedrobastos8132]

I mean, GW's rulesets have a lot of bloat, or as I would prefer calling it, system overhead, which means that the game has so many rules and special powers and so on and so forth that it may lead to a lot of feel bad situations; stuff like "what? I didn't know you could do that!", and stuff like positioning and tactics become less important, while metagaming and list building become the norm.

[@BB-pn2qv]

My impression as well, is a bit of bloat

[@MazariPL]

Do note a lot of movement was actually against the rules

[@mathieuboe9128]

Oh have I been waiting for this. Didn't expect it this soon though, thanks Ash !

[@Straco90]

Can’t wait to see more Kill Team battle reports!

[@jasonrichardwatts]

I’m SO pumped to play this, it looks badass! Thanks for sharing.

[@zawisy]

Defiantly a treasure to the community getting all this done so fast!

[@JimHurst-UK]

Loving watching how the game flows. A lot more interactive than most war games, the hand to hand combat looks really interesting.

[@BB-pn2qv]

It doesn’t look bad, but damn, is it insanely different as a game. Feels a bit rough around the edges with the extra clutter and defense barracades

[@jasperparkertrenfield8302]

Nice work on the early bat rep. Was great to see how the game flows.

[@ragedrako]

The core system looks incredibly interesting, might potentially get me into 40k models. However, given the video is an hour long, how long did this match take unedited? I have found that I prefer shorter games like X-Wing or 200 pts Infinity. 1-1½ hours are my sweetspot, 2 hours tops, usually. I've had a lot of problems getting into 40k because of this. How would you judge this new Killteam system compares, timewise?

[@GuerrillaMiniatureGames]

60 mins

[@madmanvarietyshow9605]

@@GuerrillaMiniatureGames so it's about the same. But with more practice and playing it more it seems like it'll take a little less time

[@stephenryder3331]

Thanks for the video. I can see a lot of effort went into it here. It was great to see the game in action. However, I feel you could have explained the rules as you went a long (therefore giving an insight into how to actually play). It's obvious you guys understood the rules really well, but I felt like the kid watching his big brother play a game with his mates that they play often and never actually explain what they are doing to his little brother. Sorry to sound so critical. Your delivery was great as always. I guess it's because I am sat here confused to the new rule set (which tbh seems very fiddly to set up instead of a game where I can grab my models and off we go, hopefully in time I will be proved wrong). Time will tell!

[@GuerrillaMiniatureGames]

Did you watch the Rulebook review? That’s where I overview it all. I also reference that at the beginning. It’s linked in the description.

[@stephenryder3331]

​@@GuerrillaMiniatureGames Yeah I watched it and it was a great breakdown of the rules. I guess I was overwhelmed during the battle report as I couldn't follow a lot of what was happening (rulewise). I'll give the rulebook review another few watches and then re-watch the Batrep and maybe I will understand it better. I guess I gotta walk before I can run!

[@rodento3220]

YEA!!! Cool game I think I am gonna spring for it! I must admit I was not very surprised to see the guardsmen get smashed in close combat. I am not worried that the green skins seem to have a huge advantage, as game play evolves and tactics improve I think the Guardsmen will show some grit and win a few.

[@SurgeMMO]

I was super excited about this but there is too many tokens attached to models.

[@MentoliptusBanko]

You even painted the gauges!!! :O Amazing!

[@vineheart01]

My friends: "I dunno it kinda feels like theres to many tokens to keep track of.." Me, who plays FFG games a lot: "....your point?" I'm looking forward to the new killteam it looks fun and so far doesnt seem to have the stupid Band-Aid mechanics to keep the core 40k rules 'working' somehow.

[@-Markus-]

Yeah but FFG makes mostely boardgames, a mini game shouldnt require this amount of tokens and markers... Once again GW comes up with a "new" ruleset that is still far inferior to many others, yet their IPs keep their badly designed rulesets going and going and going.

[@j453]

Dude, your a machine.

[@trevorgoodchild2928]

Seeing this on the table I'm very surprised they didn't embrace more of the War Cry format such as cards for the models and wound tokens etc.

[@GuerrillaMiniatureGames]

Well cardboard printing access has vastly changed since Covid in time and cost. It’s incredibly likely that plans changed during development.

[@trevorgoodchild2928]

@@GuerrillaMiniatureGames Very good point Ash. Like many things we've taken for granted life has been upended for most in so many ways.

[@MentatOfDune]

Great vid. Love the paintjob on the terrain. Loads of colour but still muted enough so it doesn't overwhelm everything else.

[@displeasedsociopath5939]

Ugh... I want to buy 4 of this set to fill up a 40k table with that sweet sweet ork terrain, and get started on a plastic Krieg army. Guess I'm going to be donating plasma, & volunteering for OT for a minute to make up the damage I'm going to be doing to my checking account come Saturday.

[@slanahesh]

Guaranteed some people will buy multiple copies of this for the models and sell off the terrain so you will probably be able to get extra on ebay.

[@Artmesa]

Just get some Archon Studios terrain. It is awesome and a fraction of the price

[@displeasedsociopath5939]

@@Artmesa I have some already, but thank you for the advice! ;)

[@The_Eucharist_of_Blades]

How did you paint your Octarius terrain? Thanks so much for posting this!

[@mikepearse5196]

Always the speed painting pimp. Love it.

[@Barry-Sweaty]

kill team is the best. I have had some really good times with this game. I hope it don't ever go away. its way more goooder than other skirmish games. kt totally gives me a skirmish chub.

[@edepathos5041]

Im glad they just put out a new rule book. These rules make me want to stick my head in a blender.

[@Rathammergames]

Looks fun! And I'll just use my trusty ruler, thank you very much!

[@isaiahcasey1678]

It seems like the guard almost needed a spotter for this matchup, to counteract the concealed kommandos. Specifically for this mission, a demolition trooper seems like it would be good at guarding the deployment rooftop with the landmine. Grot hookshots over and almost immediately gets blown up.

[@miniaturestash]

Great video as always guys, thanks for everything.

[@Vertrucio]

You're gonna have to give us some widgets and wonders video on alternatives to the big order tokens everywhere on the board. Even small cubes might be better than the glut.

[@Azrael-XIII]

I agree, this has been my biggest complaint about the game from what I’ve seen so far. I love a lot of the new rules, especially when it comes to the combat, but god is that board cluttered with tokens, when you have each model with upwards of 4 or 5 tokens around it (1 for conceal/engage, 1 for wounds, another for “injured” if it’s below half health, another if that unit has gained/lost an AP, another if they’re carrying an objective etc.) that’s just too much, especially when multiple models are engaged in melee.

[@Vertrucio]

So, you can cut down on about 50% of tokens at the start by assuming everything without a token is Engaged and Unactivated. Then you can probably number each model and place the tokens elsewhere, on the cards or otherwise.

[@ericsmith9212]

Good job showing the game. I personally like Necromunda better. I just think Kill Team is still lacking in excitement, even with the additional wounds for each character.

[@damein343]

Any chance you would do a video on how you painted the terrain? It looks great!

[@luke-i6k]

Great to see how it works. Might just not be for me I went from KT 1.0 to 40k and this isn't pulling me back. Shame but good for those who like this kind of thing.

[@joeyracksez7585]

can't wait to see more killteam!

[@I3ulletProofElmo]

Great video. How did you do the faded paint style on the terrain? Spray, dry brush? Looks very cool.

[@maxpowers7606]

Like the painting of the gauge. Any color tips?

[@andrewm6400]

I really thought the alternate activations rule spoken about on the warhammer community site was a sign of a more streamlined and tight skirmish game. But after seeing the setup here and all the fiddly markers and stuff, I might actually cancel my pre-order. This looks like hell to remember all the rules. Excellent playthrough, though!!!

[@8BitJesus]

Dude, nailing it once again!

[@samuraijimmi]

Hi I just picked this box up myself and am learning the hobby! I am going mad trying to find out, you selected augury as equipment for alot of your guardsmen but I can't find any info on an augury in either book. What is it xD

[@PackmasterJack]

I.. just am not feeling it. And when Ash can't make me want to play a game, you know there's issues! (Of every wargame I've ever bought or played, Ash has sold me on three out of four).

[@OldGuyRetros]

Watching while playing a kill team game from old rules

[@michaelinOZ]

Was wondering: isn’t there a rule in fighting where you can use 2 normal saves to cancel a crit? Or was that for shooting only?

[@GuerrillaMiniatureGames]

Only for shooting

[@valleyDweller]

"closer to your drop zone" on dash, does that just mean you can't use it to leave your deployment area? Odd wording. 11:58 unless "drop zone" is off the middle, and not off the edge, so you're not in it to begin with. Sorry if this was explained elsewhere and I missed it.

[@Original-Yellow]

Im liking this. We do need to think for a hot fix on those tokens though

[@joken64]

Great update on the new Kill Team, I’m in for this as I always struggled with the old KT’s flesh wound system. Hopefully you’ve got some ‘What’s on the Painting Table’ for the terrain as I’ve been wondering how to do this?

[@positivelynegative3260]

Am I alone or does everyone else also groove to the intro?

[@dlear85]

Was looking at getting one of these sets to start out. But can't find them anywhere, only separately . Did they discontinue?

[@taylorarluck8766]

Great content, thanks for the in-depth game! How did you paint the combat gauge? I love the look.

[@GuerrillaMiniatureGames]

I used a Rustoleum brass spray then antiqued it with nikolihde oxide and drybrushed it griffon gold!

[@taylorarluck8766]

@@GuerrillaMiniatureGames Thank you!

[@sirbobulous]

Looks a lot better than the old killteam.

[@shadowwraith7560]

Looks awesome! Can't wait to play killteam agin!

[@VictorSteiner]

My first game was the exact same scenario and building positions so I’m rewatching the whole thing to see what we did wrong or differently. At 39:00 why are they both taking 1 wound?

[@Unaidedfoot]

Great preview and that’s way more terrain than I thought you’d get. The box looks like a winner.🇨🇦

[@alclewley9309]

I like the verdigris effect on the measuring tool. Not at all Jelly.

[@Hobby_Technology]

As a tau player, the sheer unavoidability of melee here scares me

[@brim-skerdouglasson]

Nerrrrrd

[@elliottmartinez8594]

awesome preview

[@moltenpanther3736]

Such a sick batrep really shows off the rules very well

[@majdees]

They really should add an official solo mode. Especially in narrative play. I can't find any reason as to why they don't!!!

[@Jawsofhana]

There is a solo mode. You just sprinkle whatever on the other side, and then play the scenario you made.

[@majdees]

@@Jawsofhana please explain lol

[@MazariPL]

Nice although you guys made a ton of mistakes with how movement works. First a dash with boy over the Terrain. It's traversal so you need to subtract a circle so you're left with 1 inch and if you can't move, you don't. Then the climb up with krieg. You counted the way up as 3 inches. It does not work.like that. If it's 3 inches then you count in increments rounded up so climbing 3 inches is 2 circle so 4" then you're left with last circle for movement, so 2 inches. And that dash with the boy from around the corner is anything but 3 inches.

[@andreaannibale1465]

At 15:00 you changed the order of a trooper, from hiding into action mode. Is it correct, is it legal? Thanks for a clarification

[@GuerrillaMiniatureGames]

On the first turn you can select a scout move that allows you to change the order of a single model. It’s part of the bid for priority!

[@BlasterCA2000]

The Concealed Tokens are just begging to literally be cut in half, in my opinion. Making them both same shape+color was a bad idea. [I realize they get flip'd as Activated but still.] Blaster was here... & feels like after Movement shapes, GW was all 'Shapes, wutz dat?'

[@SpannSr1970]

Hey Ash, where’s the Sunday how you painted the KT terrain video?

[@jamiebestminiatures]

Hey is the terrain glued or suppose to be modular like warcry?

[@troybennett87]

I am considering getting back into the hobby but kill team might not be the best move for me. Looks super complicated and considering i'd be playing pick up games with people who don't game....

[@DaBsolja]

Why didn't you blap the grot witht he guardsman poking out from behind the terrain piece on the right before he could use his grappling hook?

[@beatjunky101]

Regular people walk or talk in their sleep....Ash paints and plays games

[@beatjunky101]

Hey Ash - did you ever do a "how to paint" Guide for this terrain? I swear I watched it but can't find it.

[@willnox1]

The small board takes a lot away from tactical depth...I can't get into this. Ash, you write better Skirmish games man. Great job getting all this done so quickly.

[@chopc2w]

Bushido plays amazingly on a 2x2, this game just seems to get in its own way a lot. I want to try it myself before really deciding on it though.

[@willnox1]

@@chopc2w Love me some Bushido

[@richmcgee434]

The four turn game limit doesn't exactly lend itself to much tactical play either.

[@solvix1432]

The tiny board is a real shame, also makes good terrain setups hard. Feels like GW just trying to hard to sell there terrain, and the rules suffer for it.

[@alexcross5916]

Should be easy enough to use a 3x3 board and just times all their set up measurements by 1.5 though? I agree this looks VERY tight, but I suppose with the turn limit they want people getting into combat very quickly, though that does make it hard for shooty armies as they basically get charged into by turn 2 and then torn apart, like the Krieg...

[@megamaniacal642]

This looks really complicated but I love it

[@nilstryfe7067]

seems real busy, but man it is built for herohammer and forging the narrative

[@eldraque4556]

top notch, as ever

[@VictorSteiner]

44:15 his special rule is that if he charged he gets brutal even without having rolled a crit. Correct?

[@TheNinjazorz]

Might be missing something, but it seems like both orks and guardsmen hit on 4's, but the orks are also generally better in melee? Does Guard get something to make up for it, or did I miss something?

[@GuerrillaMiniatureGames]

Once you’re wounded you hit at -4 so often the Orks weren’t at full strength going in. The guard are squishy… but Clear the Line helps!

[@SpannSr1970]

Wow! Simply WOW!

[@freeRadioArmageddon]

Do you bribe the post man to deliver faster for release day?

[@apoXx2k]

Great batrep. But at 16:21 why does the strafing run token have to be in line of sight of your veteran soldier? Don’t the rules say you can basically place it anywhere on the board and - by doing so - you could probably hit more than the four boys? Oh and one more thing: 29:32 I think you cannot do this in the same turning point as you did the strafing run. Only one of these is allowed per turning point. Don’t want to criticize. Just trying to get the rules right for myself 😉

[@shadowops666nate5]

I'm getting initial vibes that Infinity is actually easier to get into that this new version of Kill Team. Might be wrong but it seems clunky af?

[@dahSweep]

The setup seems a bit wonky, but I don't agree. I've tried getting into Infinity so many times, and every time I can't do it. That game is so complicated.

[@TroySpiral]

Cut that into in half. You'll boost your first 30 second click away rate.

[@brim-skerdouglasson]

Have you given the one page rules dark sci fi rules a try yet?

[@codemonkey8811]

I've had great fun with Blood Bowl, and kill team is fun, but I feel like it could benefit from a paper tracker at this point for tokens and wounds and such, to remove some of the carboard and dice from the table. The focus should be on the minis, not all the excess tokens. It still looks fun, I just think it's getting a bit cluttered. Did it feel that way when playing?

[@thenevergrown5009]

You actually could use only one tactical asset per turning point. Just reading the rules right now, sorry for being picky.

[@maddnd9721]

Are the cards specific to the team or are they for any team?

[@GuerrillaMiniatureGames]

Cards are universal but different teams have different access to them.

[@SuperDuperHappyTime]

So what are the queue rules so I make sure I’m first in line?

[@sandman6088]

Is it possible to play the game without a bunch of tiny tokens/markers?

[@GuerrillaMiniatureGames]

Kinda…. You need the Status markers for each model