Let's Play! - Warhammer: The Horus Heresy

[@-Markus-]

The problem with you, Ash, is that no matter how uninterested I am in a game, not even contemplating buying into it, your excitement and sheer joy for the hobby is so infectious I cant come out of your videos without new purchase plans XD Thanks for the lovely batrep!

[@urzaplanewalker]

It's crazy to me that this is the only actual play preview on the internet right now. Always the best content from you!

[@002mattyboy]

Must have a special NDA. I know some other content creators who can't put theirs up yet!

[@TimcPlays]

@@002mattyboy There are loads of channels hosing YT with HH content today...

[@002mattyboy]

@@TimcPlays cool! I've only seen a couple and like I said, some other folks have different dates for NDAs. Glad some people are getting to do it early though

[@TimcPlays]

@@002mattyboy It's 100% going to be announced for preorder tomorrow I reckon, so expect LOADS of vids in the next week or so.

[@002mattyboy]

@@TimcPlays again, peaking to multiple others about NDAs they have in relation to HH, not sure how many there will be. Would be neat if video creators are starting to get earlier NDA than non-video creators!

[@idio64]

"I didn't give him paragon blade, because I didn't have the points" next sentence: "they all have chain bayonets, because they're so cool" I love this

[@wokehammer40k]

Man this feels like such a special time. Back when Calth dropped I was a broke college kid and only got to enjoy the heresy through your vids. This time Ive actually got the money to participate! Thanks for all the great vids back then and these new ones as well!

[@adamsmith6589]

I missed calth due to being a kid and now im a broke student so cant afford new box😅 man heresy just doesnt want me to be able to buy it😂

[@wokehammer40k]

@@adamsmith6589 3.0 you got this lol

[@Don_Juan89]

Masses of Tacical Squads... We are on the good side of Warhammer!

[@Black_Blow_Fly]

One thing I’m loving about HH is bolters are utterly harmless versus the Spartan - zero chip damage ❤️❤️‍🔥❤️

[@FarseerB1rdy]

THIS!!!! I watched the Goonhammer GT over the weekend and Mani Cheema was just taking tanks off the table with Eldar basic guns - rerolling hits and 6s to hit was at -3AP. Absolute busted.

[@samjsnz]

@@FarseerB1rdy This is just so frustrating. They made basic infantry weapons so busted with the amount of buffs that they are just statistically way better than any anti tank weapon.

[@FarseerB1rdy]

@@samjsnz When it was first announced I was behind it. There wasn't the obnoxious amount of rerolls or AP on basic infantry weapons back then. Plus you were always in the game if your anti tank got destroyed! However it's just made anti tank redundant with little to no strategy. Mani just dropped his units from deepstrike, got all the rerolls and deleted two devilfish and the dudes inside just down to rolling enough 6s to trigger -3AP.

[@samjsnz]

@@FarseerB1rdy Yeah I can remember seeing the same thing with catapults, who needs bright lances right. The worst think I saw was a necron match where the big cool anti tank destroyers tried to shoot some black templar vehicles to have them do nothing, to swingy with low shots, random damage then basic transports getting 5++ (Templars). Then buffed warriors just did all the work. 40k doesn't interest me at all anymore, Im just playing killteam that has great modern mechanics. Hersey looks a step in the right direction with reactions, hopefully this comes to 40k alongside a complete do-over of command points and strats

[@FarseerB1rdy]

@@samjsnz Yeah our group has pretty much given up on 40k, which does sadden me because I've got a cracking Sisters army. Love seeing it on the table! We've moved over to Adeptus Titanicus and soon Heresy. I've dipped my toes into Sigmar and I absolutely love that so far! Really hyped for that. Reactions will definitely be coming to 40k. I'd be so shocked if they don't. They're in Sigmar, Heresy and I'm guessing Killteam?

[@madmerlinsart]

So nice to finally use the rules still stuck in my head from all those years ago. Really can't wait for this game to come out and really loving the reaction system. Great video, can't wait for more HH content, Hope to be doing some myself soon.

[@Jammybee]

Love it when people call 3-7ed fiddly as they pore over their 4 mandatory rulebooks and print off corrections.

[@deece1482]

7ed is the best edition. The horus heresy made it shine.

[@RSBurgener]

Yes! So glad to see the Iron Warriors (I'm die-hard IVth Legion). I can hear them quoting Lucius "I haven't killed any little black birds since Istvaan!". Thanks for showing what I actually plan to play.

[@Timesink24]

Thanks for this battle report; it's reinforced my decision to get into the Horus Heresy once it drops. Both armies and the terrain look great by the way!

[@Lochtain]

Nice Batrep! Fun to see a game that isn't quite as huge scale for this as well - 1k points is a nice place to start, I think. Working on some loyalist Imperialis Militia with Wargames Atlantic's Grognards, it's gonna be great! Hope to see some Imperialis on this channel once the rules for them comes out. :)

[@DarkAutumnScribe]

My Wife: How is this different than your other game of "little army men?" Me: It's the 2nd Edition of a Civil War that takes place 10,000 years before the other...! Wife: Fine, you can get it just shut up! You are setting off my migraines...!!!

[@youtubevanced4900]

She's probably thinking about her boyfriend who has a 3d printer. Gives her a migraine thinking about the fact she married someone that buys models from GW. I'm kidding obviously. You should look into 3d printing though. You could print that new HH box for less than $20.

[@JunkfoodZombieGuns]

My wife is just as interested in the Horus Heresy set as I am... 🤘😊🤘

[@Em90000l]

@@youtubevanced4900 bro why are you even here?

[@marley_1267]

@@youtubevanced4900 Where from?

[@Keplaves]

@@Em90000l well said

[@guiltyspark96]

Its so nice to see a turn 1 where they aren't just removing handfuls of models before they even get to move. 40k needs to scale back this kind of gameplay

[@thompsonsj64]

Well 2nd Ed HH looks very good. It's great that you have an emotional support Spartan now

[@tharkwarrior]

The entirely expected follow up to the HH rules review. You are a Machine making all these videos every week, painting all the models and keeping all the rules straight. Keep it coming Ash!

[@pbutch217]

This actually looks pretty interesting and far less complicated than I was expecting. There are definitely some rule interactions I'm not understanding but now I think this moght be worth a try

[@KaosKittyStudios]

The 'conplexity' of HH is just memorizing the keywords. Everything else is pretty intuitive so i find it easier than 40k which has just way to many unit special rules and abilities scattered around.

[@pbutch217]

@@KaosKittyStudios yeah ok. Im not sure if it's my perception of what 7th was like, I came back to the hobby in 8th, or what. This is the first batrep of HH I've watched and it looks really solid. I am missing a few things but I'm sure that will come with a read of the rulebook.

[@KaosKittyStudios]

@@pbutch217 oh 7th was worse. Waaaaay worse than HH 1.0 and especially 2.0. 7th had alot more extra books and little rules you had to remember and was massively imbalanced between the codexes and suplement books. I started in 8th but have gone back and played most older editions with friends and ye, while I adore HH I abhor 7th lol. But either way welcome to the game I hope you enjoy it! Any idea on what legion your gonna play?

[@pbutch217]

@@KaosKittyStudios not sure yet, I'm heavily focused on kill team at the moment but I really like what I'm seeing in HH, so will probably pick that starter up around Xmas. When I played 2nd and third I was blood angels, when I came back to the hobby I started an ultramarines primaris army, playing predominantly word bearers in kill team. Maybe ultras but I love that FW blood angels praetor

[@OptimusJedi]

Interesting to see a game in action. It does seem more dynamic gameplay wise than it used to be. Looking forward to more.

[@kennylull2470]

Gotta say, I've never actually stuck to my guns when making resolutions to watch more batreps on KZbin (Plus there's just an obscene amount of channels to choose from). However, I'm really enjoying your videos. The positivity and that you're clearly having fun is important for me, and just wanted to say you've gained another loyal viewer. Keep up the great work! I'll be taking a look at your Patreon as well once the new month starts.

[@GuerrillaMiniatureGames]

Thanks Kenny! I’m lucky that I’ve got such great people in my gaming group and I think that really comes through!

[@xenodraigshrike5052]

Dude they can't drop these models fast enough. I want some HH in my life right now. All those Plastic tanks are just fantastic looking!

[@SpannSr1970]

Thanks Ash! I’ve been waiting to see how this plays.

[@mjinoz1677]

Great stuff - really excited to paint up (finally!) enough stuff to actually play some games and to grab the new edition!

[@damein343]

Great video and great job explaining the game. It really has solidified that HH isn't for me but there are small aspects of this game mode that I would like to see in 40K. I look forward to watching more of your content on HH. Seems fun to watch!

[@exit2262]

I really like the reactivity of this ruleset. It reminds me of the better tactical hex-and-counter games.

[@potatopatato2516]

Both kinds of bayonets are so cool! how could I ever choose

[@thomassaxon8254]

It's looking like a good update so far. And a nice batrep to show off the new rules. Reactions seem good - moving closer to alternating activation.

[@Rob749s]

It's moving closer to Infinity, which is 10x better than alternating activation

[@-Markus-]

@@Rob749s Nope, alternating activations one form or another will always be the most fun and engaging way to do it.

[@aaronsomerville2124]

Wow, great batrep! Horus Heresy looks to be pretty much everything that I was hoping it would be.

[@Flamethrower1942]

Played my first game of Heresy 2.0 today was a blast , very familiar to me as I'm a big player of the older edition, I enjoyed it.

[@craigjones7343]

I hope there is more HH batreps coming. This was fun to watch and see the rules in action.

[@Straco90]

Loved this!! Always such amazing content from you mate! I am newly getting into Horus Heresy with this box release and I cannot wait to see more videos from you on this! Learning heaps as well!

[@acerock013]

huh...i love the HH books and i've always wanted to make an OG Wordleaters army...maybe it is time for me to get back into the hobby?

[@chetchisholm9313]

I love the bayonets.

[@bigbigbear58]

Loved the game. The reaction rules really give an interesting ebb and flow to the turn. Challenging is also super cool!

[@outrageouslycasual6819]

Thanks Ash! HH looks really cool 😊

[@euansmith3699]

"I'm like a fluffy cat!" 😂😂😂 Those are very nicely painted minis on both sides, and the battle mat is very cool.

[@eldraque4556]

Ravenguard ftw! I'm going to do the white paldron thing with my guard too

[@BeardedWargaming]

the real question is how many whippy stick fights happened off camera

[@hostilegalaxyandkitchentab6456]

I’ve been scouring the webs for good HH2.0 games and this is one of the best I’ve seen! Looking forward to more!

[@zombiedad]

Nice! Thanks Ash

[@emmetfarrell335]

Yeap thank you so much for this video, I want to learn how to play this. Appreciate the time and effort put in

[@abdulhammouda4884]

Also, quite like the idea of doing 2 v 2 battles. That worked quite well and seemed fun

[@GrimonprezB]

Victory Points for Blood Feud looks like the actual Knight Errants rules....I hope that will be in the new edition too for them :0

[@RavenGuard119]

Love your Ravenguard army

[@xiphias_4124]

great job cant wait to play for myself.

[@kaibe5241]

Oh shit, this means HH is like next week!!! :D

[@toferkrz946]

I am expecting a preorder announcement tomorrow, so it would go on preorder next week, but with at least a two week preorder window, like they do for big releases like this, so actual retail release would still be mid-June.

[@christopherdean4848]

that was bloody brilliant

[@rtl97]

Picked the best legion for mk6. I can't wait to get the boxset and do them as raven guard as well to recreate the malagant conflict between them and my death guard

[@queencityminisandmore8730]

Great game guys! I can’t wait to play it myself sometime hopefully soon!

[@UndertheGlow]

This reminds me of 3rd and 4th Ed 40K, which makes sense since that is what the rules are based off of. All goods things imo. Vehicles armor and arcs, yay!

[@scepteredisle]

wtf it's literally 7th edition 40K minus the psychic phase with a bunch of Reactions bolted on. 3rd to 7th edition are all built on the previous. 8th was a soft reboot of the rules...

[@UndertheGlow]

@@scepteredisle that is an accurate description of 3rd and 4th Ed. Glad you agree!

[@abdulhammouda4884]

Looks more fun than 40k so far I'll say that

[@mobilegamersunite]

It was a cool game to see, thanks!

[@Lannes03]

Great Report ))) Thanks !!! =)

[@Storm2889]

Maybe I missed it but the dreddy had to explode due to the Atomatic Deflector when it lost its last point (maybe I translated it wrong, in that case sorry XD)

[@thomasshaw61]

THAT WAS AWESOME!I AM DEFINITLY GOING TO GET THAT BOX?!UNFORTUNITLY,I AM ON MY SUMMERBREAK,SO IT WILL BE AWHILE BEFORE I CAN GET IT?!

[@DelightfulTyrant]

I hate when capslock gets broke. F.

[@volcano3493]

Great batrep! I liked especially the base deco which mirrored the board mat. Also watched your video about the HH rulebook and I was pleasantly surprised about the Reaction system. Either you have such rule or alternate activation to make playing the actual game worthwhile.

[@pjsines4705]

Great batrep!!!

[@boutinpowered8373]

Are these using the same base size as CSM models? I think CSM is the way to go for Night Lords.

[@fhammer07]

omg this is 3rd edition!

[@KaosKittyStudios]

Wait is plasma rending now not breaching. Hm, not sure how much i like that. Otherwise solid bat rep. Armies looked great as always

[@Arachn4]

HH1 veteran and HH2 newb question: Should the Cataphractii even been able to follow up after they won the CC against the Raven Guard Tacticals? Cataphractii don't have Sweeping Advance, have they? In any case the batrep was fun to watch. Thank you!

[@RockYourNape]

Pg197 of the rulebook says that if the unit is comprised solely of models with the heavy sub type, they can re roll saving throws against blast and template. Also when making reactions in the movement phase, they are -1 to their initiative. When checking disallowed sweeping advances in the rulebook, it states that there are rules that disallow it but not specifically calling out Cataphractii. The rules released at the time of this being recorded, didn't state that Cataphractii can't sweep. Dunno about the Liber books tho...

[@Arachn4]

@@RockYourNape I’m at work and at my lunch break so can’t check a Liber book, but quoting from v1 astartes list: “In addition to the e􏰂ects and rules listed previously for Terminator armour, models in Cataphractii pattern armour cannot make Run moves or Overwatch attacks. Also, their invulnerable save is increased to 4+. Models that join a unit in Cataphractii armour may themselves not make Run moves or Sweeping Advances while with the unit, but may make Overwatch attacks as normal for them. If a unit is joined by a model in Cataphractii armour, the unit is prevented from making Run moves or Sweeping Advances while the model is with them.” If they didn’t change that on purpose then it should be in the rules for Cataphracti armour in the Liber books.

[@Arachn4]

Alright, now it says: “Legion Cataphractii Terminator armour confers a 2+ armour save and a 4+ invulnerable save. In addition, a Unit that includes any models with Cataphractii terminator armour may not make Sweeping Advances.”

[@RockYourNape]

@@Arachn4 Nice. The rules that come on the back of the instructions provided with the starter set, don't prevent Cataphractii from sweeping. That's why they were able to sweep during this game 👍👍

[@scelonferdi]

Ofc the Raven Guard player asks for night fight...

[@melissarenladyoflight1599]

They look beautiful and amazing and better than zorpazorp ones ❤️❤️❤️😊lol..

[@shinankoku2]

“Check out the paragon of my blade” … sounds like the start of a 30k-themed porn.

[@NIGHTMARE-zy7tq]

If you did this I will go look at them. Could you do video's on how to PLAY YOUR GAMES? The in and out's to making a gang?

[@lieutenantdanielson]

I haven't messed about with warhammer for ages Looking ti buy the new horus heresy bundle and make chaos space marines with it. Question is, do the parts fit the new chaos space marines?

[@GuerrillaMiniatureGames]

I mean the arms will likely fit on any marine torso that has poseable shoulders.

[@genetic187]

Do weapons on vehicles still have firing arcs? If so could the spartan fire at the squad in round 2 without crossing line of sight over its haul?

[@NightWolf1982pl]

with the speed of you setting every rule and all... without knowing them by themselves it is almost impossible to learn anything here lol XD

[@Henchman-24]

From what it looks like you could take old 3rd edition books and use this rules set

[@scepteredisle]

or literally 7th edition ... given that's what it is.

[@akidinacrabsuittoprotectal9970]

Hey how did you necessarily make a list cause I wanna get into it but I need to be able to make a list

[@xJRSUMMERSx]

Can’t wait for more, would be good to hear your opinions and thoughts on the new system too :) do you still do your podcast?

[@jessepunch8945]

Plays like 4th ed 40k… but with reactions

[@scepteredisle]

Am I missing something? It's literally 7th Edition 40K. Was 6th and 7th so bad that everyone's forgotten about them?

[@edwindrood2816]

Fun game

[@mrcocoboy66]

So the quick reference sheets and the liber book has different profiles for the las cannon array. Does the liber superceed the quick ref as the offical rules ?

[@GuerrillaMiniatureGames]

Yes

[@bluemoon17840]

Can you shoot and charge different targets? It use to be if you shoot something, you had to charge that target

[@woodsmokes9th67]

Where are you getting the las cannon array heavy 4 from? Im looking in my liber hereticus book and its heavy 2 twin-licked and sunder

[@GuerrillaMiniatureGames]

Look at the stats in the starter set. It’s all we had at the time.

[@Aodyri]

So... When are the Liber review videos? ^_^

[@GuerrillaMiniatureGames]

Soon :)

[@Grithertime]

The one problem with older editions were the never ending close combat. But the pursue is brutal. Great game!

[@aolomasthavean4311]

ima get this cause this shit looks cool

[@gregorygriffin8725]

How many points is a chainsaw bayonet?

[@wazzok2973]

Is that how shrouded works now? Surely it's not a feel no pain roll. Wouldn't it be something you declare before you roll armour saves?

[@GuerrillaMiniatureGames]

No, now it’s a damage mitigation roll after saves.

[@wazzok2973]

@@GuerrillaMiniatureGames weird

[@WarbossGazbag]

Isnt the Spartan's lascannons 4 shots full rerolls? (4 Twin linked las cannons)

[@GuerrillaMiniatureGames]

No they have a separate profile called a Lascannon Array that’s just Heavy 4 each.

[@WarbossGazbag]

@@GuerrillaMiniatureGames Gotcha! Thanks lol. Can't wait to get my hands on this box!

[@joedecook]

Did they change blast weapons? At 15:00, you roll to hit those that are "partially" hit by the blast. In 7th edition, V.1 AoD, and the Playtest rules, being touched by the blast or template meant they were hit. I hope it didn't change.

[@RockYourNape]

I noticed that too. I've scoured the rulebook and can't find where this application is stated. Blast says that anything under the template is hit. Barrage says that it follows the same rules as blast with indirect firing being a barrage exclusive. Maybe its a carryover from another game that Ash had in his head

[@ryanhutchinson8709]

Where did the Mat come from ? :D

[@hughmac7423]

The rules sound a lot like the old 40K rules from 15 years ago.

[@naphaen8766]

Newbie question right here! Do you only need 2 troops to fulfill the battallion requirements? 40k player REALLY looking forward to join the 30k community.

[@GuerrillaMiniatureGames]

2 troops and an HQ is standard for the crusade force org

[@Black_Blow_Fly]

Somebody loves their Alpha Legion…… 🫶🫶🫶 Oh wait - Nevermore 😈

[@simonjackson1571]

Argh, right in the beak!😂

[@tombowen883]

so is there no objectives in the horus heresy or did they just play without objectives?

[@GuerrillaMiniatureGames]

Depends on the mission. This isn’t the ‘standing in circles and pushing buttons’ type game that 9th is.

[@koen7906]

What are you using as a reference sheet? You seem to have a quick reference sheet ready with your units and weapons etc, is it self printed? Because there are some differences compared to what you showed in other vids (like your sheet doesn't have sunder on lascannons while the book does)

[@GuerrillaMiniatureGames]

The quick ref is from the starter set and is slightly different from the liber rules

[@koen7906]

@@GuerrillaMiniatureGames Thanks for the reply. That kind of seems like a fail from GW and a good way to create confusion for people coming from 1.0 to 2.0 -.-

[@38crippler]

My friend group is worried about snipers killing primarchs (and praetors to a lesser extent) too well without look out sir and dreads being too powerful now that they're given wounds instead of AV. Do you think this might be the case? Our conclusion is on incomplete info so thought I'd ask an expert.

[@GuerrillaMiniatureGames]

Being able to freely hand out aftersaves in the form of Shrouded will keep that all in check. Also all the Primarchs come with built in It Will Not Die which means a third of their suffered wounds will come back each turn all game. I very much doubt this will be a problem. Remember independent characters inside squads are part of the unit as well, so damage allocation will be determined by the targeted player typically. Lots of ways of protecting those characters.

[@38crippler]

@@GuerrillaMiniatureGames Appreciate the answer! We were worried about snipers being able to just pick out the primarch model and dump like 10 to 20 rending 5+ shots into em. That and dreads shooting back on reactions but from your vid it looks like they rebalanced a ton of weapons. Looking forward to the new edition!

[@jordangraham3375]

So.... They rereleased the game I played back in my teens?

[@flak1939]

I still don't think I can believe GW is getting this so right (mostly) compared to how bloated and annoying 40K has become. If you had told me a year ago that they were going to release a new HH version and a giant pile of amazing plastic kits that would make me consider playing it I would have laughed.

[@jaworski105]

It’s because of who’s working on the game designer team. Andy Hoare is a veteran games tester and designer that’s been heavily involved with both early 40k and HH. The plates ring abd rules writing team seems way tighter.

[@andrewcrawford8306]

Bloat is the same, just on different sides of the coin. Heresy main rule book is thick enough to assault someone with. While your legion rules might just be a few pages. 9th is the same, just in reverse. It’s 6 one way a half dozen the other imo. Just depends which you think is easier to remember. I do think I’d love to have the bones of 9th but with the reaction system (instead of strats) and universal keywords of Heresy for 10th.

[@flak1939]

@@andrewcrawford8306 But the difference is you can learn the ruleset (or know most of it from similarity to decades of editions) and you don't have to carry 6 books and errata for each army and memorize 35 strategems to know what the opponent may do.

[@frazergreen6786]

So does the choice of bayonets actually convert into any melee bonuses or's it just aesthetic difference?

[@BlazeHeroic]

I think he said in the rules video that there is a difference of +1 strength on the regular bayonets vs +2 strength for the chain bayonets.

[@calvinandhobbes730]

Bayonets are +1 strength, chain bayonets are +1and shred

[@robnancekivell2202]

Converting Fafnir Rann into an Iron Warrior almost made me stop the video to vomit. Great video as always though.

[@fastcorn777carr9]

Just waiting for folks to get mad when I paint the whole box as Lamenters .

[@DS-si5cp]

slightly confused, this is the new edition?

[@GuerrillaMiniatureGames]

It is!

[@gorganhorn6872]

I'm only interested in Warhammer 40k Quest series now. After experiencing narrative combined with the exciting mechanics in Blackstone Fortress, Army games have become boring. Cmon GW get to the next Warhammer 40k Quest game!!!

[@Unaidedfoot]

Sooooooooo are you playing this again or what:)

[@crwarren]

Ash why didn't your praetor fight back after her died? Didn't they have identical initiative?

[@GuerrillaMiniatureGames]

I think he did and just didn’t do anything. Gotta pack that Paragon Blade!

[@crwarren]

@@GuerrillaMiniatureGames thanks for sharing. Great to see the rules played. I'm new to HH but super excited to build a legion. Really looking forward to your review of the libre hereticus.

[@Dwilson1282]

I still don’t see how anyone thought the Reactions mechanic would be a good idea. That new box set is great though.

[@Aodyri]

That everyone play testing it seems to like it? Seriously, you get one or so a turn. But it gives you something to do on your opponent's turn. Nothing super complicated, return fire or retreating seem to be the primary picks.

[@henriklekbergosterman2807]

I like a lot of the new rules but I have to say I dont feel particularly good about the reactions or the new warlord traits.