Let's read comments from RAZORFIST fans (this should be fun)

[@PalmelaHanderson]

Atun-Shei is like the know-it-all older brother that you mostly agree with but just argue with sometimes out of spite, whereas razorfist is like the uncle that you wish your mom stopped inviting over for thanksgiving because he can't go 5 minutes without mentioning the earth is flat and Obama was born in Kenya.

[@ben-gm4ij]

Best comment right here lmao

[@sixsquare1177]

This comment is so on the money.

[@TheMasonK]

Yep dude is an absolute edge lord. Says controversial shit for the sake of being controversial.

[@matthewpalevsky6080]

Spot on comment! Idk why people even give razorfist the time of day.

[@firebird4491]

As an older brother this is very spot on

[@mandyb8675]

“10 second google search is no replacement for decades of study on a historical subject” Couldn’t have said it any better

[@rating9392]

One can only hope they continue to search and study and learn and perhaps learn real history and get aways from their "Alternative facts".

[@lapellido6186]

@@rating9392 They only really had to continue the search until the bottom of the page to find it was issued 1862

[@rating9392]

@@lapellido6186 This is true and it's unfortunate when people skim a document for what they are looking for and ignore the rest of the information inside it. A lot of important information and facts are missed or construed by doing this.

[@RichBigJohnson]

I wish more “internet historians” would understand this statement.

[@adanbarona7334]

Going thru all these comments was hilarious. Gotta hand it to you Chris, you have a lot of patience with these cult minded people. Lost causers so brainwashed that they dont even realize it. Keep up the great work Chris!

[@nashtheneet]

Ive learned more about the civil war from you than i ever did in school. If i need to double check something i usually see if you made a video on it, good on you for standing your ground VTH.

[@VloggingThroughHistory]

Appreciate it, Nash!

[@starcoloneldunadansonoft501]

You've learned nothing, I assure you.

[@RedCoatJar]

@@starcoloneldunadansonoft501L take

[@Dylan-yy3rw]

​@@starcoloneldunadansonoft501he learned how to comment at the very least, which makes your entire argument false. Because of this, I shall declare that their statement is correct since you are the only one opposing it. Stop making generalizations without evidence, and people may agree with you.

[@Dylan-yy3rw]

@@robertbradburn9616 ad hominem; you aren't making a point with evidence that refutes his or mine, you are attacking his character by calling him a propagandist, which you have applied no evidence for. Strawman as well, we aren't talking about the government here; we are talking history. If you want to leave an actual reply, not just trolling, I am willing to debate any points you actually have.

[@matthewwarlin7421]

Razorfist should’ve just made a video about how Lincoln suspended Habeas Corpus and the people that went to jail for speaking out against the war and such. Would’ve been a much shorter video and would’ve made a stronger argument.

[@VloggingThroughHistory]

Agree 100%

[@GorgyCL]

"When Lincoln was a Tyrant". infinite clicks.

[@Deadener]

Mr. Beat made that video, and it was like a minute long lol. Probably because he understands that you can criticize Lincoln without simping for the Lost Cause Myth.

[@Stevioslawgeek1979]

Not really. Lincoln was dealing with treason, traitors and terrorists. AND the ends justified the means: human beings in bondage gained freedom.

[@networknomad5600]

@@GorgyCL I mean, he was a tyrant throughout the entire war.

[@DarkKnightofThrones]

Razor said something on twitter that I actually agreed with (I know, I know), and I sarcastically replied with an Atun-Shei line: "Checkmate, Linconites". He blocked me. What a big baby!

[@michaeldiaz1181]

Chris, your politics are very different than mine. In terms of historical interpretation, there have been times that I've disagreed with your conclusions. Never have I thought that you were anything but a thoughtful educator who really cares about being fair. It's a very refreshing page that is a must-watch for folks who like history. I wish more public discourse was like your page. Thanks for all you do.

[@DoggyHateFire]

I'm pretty left of the average person and he's never had any arguments that I've thought were unreasonable or indefensible.

[@occheermommy]

Same. I tend left in my older years and I cannot believe someone would call him unreasonable. These people basically said all your facts are right and he is wrong but I want to believe him anyway. Makes no sense

[@michaeldiaz1181]

@Dyslexic Batnam lol, if that's your take away from my comment.

[@jamesmoniz5263]

@Dyslexic Batnam I feel like he probably needs someone else to spell it out for him. People with different politics can agree on things. And you don't need to resort to labeling people and name calling if you're presenting good information in a "grown up" or mature way.

[@prw56]

I didn't even know where he stood on the compass until quite a few videos in, I only really became aware after he reacted to a mr beast video ranking presidents, and that was only b/c I was comparing how little bias he seemed to have compared to beast. Imo historians near the center, like chris, are the most useful when it comes to teaching.

[@Xman-0124]

Chris is a man of immeasurable patience for going back to this for part 3

[@RomanHistoryFan476AD]

Must come with the Teacher territory- I'm sure he mentioned he was one once.

[@jacobd6315]

@@night6724because the debate would get about 10 minutes in before razorfist and co would tell him to cartwheel through traffic, aka the response you give when you have no capacity to actually debate.

[@TheSundayShooter]

@@jacobd6315 You've been fooled by the rehearsed character, RäzorFist is a pensive and timid during debates

[@Bangbangyourmom]

True

[@jacobd6315]

@@TheSundayShooter oh so it wouldn't be a "CARTWHEEL THROUGH TRAFFIC" as much as it would be a "Good Sir, I would kindly ask thee to remove thineself from the genepool." neat.

[@nothanks6549]

The person who said they don't believe the official story so therefore they feel that this dude was right... Those are the kind of people who believe being a skeptic just means "believe nothing that doesn't fit your own world view and believe anything that's not a majority view."

[@VloggingThroughHistory]

Unfortunately that is a common philosophy on both extremes of politics these days.

[@erictheredguy]

Exactly how half of usa ignore that previous pres attempted an insurrection! Somehow forgot

[@jimpay853]

I have a hard time believing anything that is said today. Every narrative is spun, every story is bent, everything is partisan. That said, it seems like documented history tends to hold up.

[@amongtheliving789]

@@jimpay853 it does hold up. And it’s important too not to just throw it all away in the trash like it doesn’t matter because “I just don’t believe in it” or “alternative facts”.

[@jeffmitchell2164]

Sadly I know a lot of people like this

[@Mr.Marketing]

My favorite migraine inducing comments were the ones accusing Chris of being a left wing revisionist ideologue, and the few pointing out Chris “has the same nose as all the rest of them”. So my question is who is this Conservative Christian Pastor Imposter and what has he done with the real Rabbi Chris Our Beloved Dem. Congressman From His Home State Of Michigan?

[@VloggingThroughHistory]

This might be my favorite comment on this video so far :)

[@mudnarchist]

Isn't it telling that they resort to openly hating Jews? Lol

[@prossnip42]

When you're so far on the right that even other right wingers are left

[@Mr.Marketing]

@@prossnip42 or so left that you can’t even feel good about voting for your own party anymore. Isn’t contemporary politics fun haha… ha…ha….

[@Lugghandle]

​@@prossnip42 it's true. Razorfist has gone full blown Libritarian it seems. That type of Anrchy seemed good when I was in high school. Still better than him going left towards socialism/communism though.

[@FriENTlyFire]

The fact that there are people out here like these commenters is why Atun Shei's content has the tone it does.

[@Ugly_German_Truths]

While true for the Checkmate Lincolnites Series and the few videos directly on Gettysburg and G&G, that isn't all Atun Shei is doing and a lot of his local work for Massachusetts (IIRC where he grew up) and New Orleans (where he seems to live now) is a totally different tone and has a totally different purpose. He also has matured a lot over the last decade of video making.

[@Animusapertus]

you said something interesting here about a "10 second google search" being different than 10 yrs or so studying a subject. I think this is a huge problem these days. On another note, you've really re-ignited my love for history, i love your videos man, thanks!

[@royce5305]

@@night6724 Keep saying it, maybe it'll come true

[@magarthur3420]

I totally agree but in fairness sometimes people are so dumb that a 10 second Google search is all you need 😄.

[@twiggy1253]

@@night6724 wdym? What sources did that guy give? At least VTH actually showed the sites he was using.

[@jamesmoniz5263]

@@twiggy1253 and the fact he is a literal historian and only uses last minute researching supplementary (and he rarely uses questionable sources)

[@jamesmoniz5263]

@@UMADBRO64 is it the type of word you capitalize? I was under the impression it is a common noun not a proper noun. Always happy to learn, just now you have me second guessing myself lol

[@thegraytemplar2548]

I find this exceptional since you both allow and acknowledge those who disagree with you. Whereas Razorfist’s video has basically NO Comments disagreeing with him, meaning he or moderators are deleting every comment that disagrees with him. Never change VTH you’re awesome

[@DoggyHateFire]

That's also because his video isn't about informing anyone, it's about affirming beliefs many of his fans already held.

[@coldwar45]

It’s also because he deletes comments and blocks people. That’s why. He’s a coward.

[@Longshanks1690]

I don’t think that’s the case, merely that his supporters flooded the comments in the first day of the video’s upload - which you’d suspect since they’re subscribed to him - and it’s hard to get noticed on KZbin comments after all the immediate attention for the video is gone.

[@jamesmoniz5263]

yaaaa, razor dude is giving some really screwy echo chamber vibes

[@EldritchAugur]

No his channel is just that polarized. It's an impenetrable echo chamber. There's simply no one with a dissenting opinion left to comment. Anecdotally, I used to watch his channel when it was more about video games and stopped watching years ago after I got fed up with his garbage political opinions.

[@MercenaryJedi]

And this is how VTH ends up with a cameo on the series finale of "Checkmate Lincolnites!"

[@AnthonyRizzuti]

Those videos are actually how I found this channel

[@thebeatlesrock144]

I was wondering when you were going to encounter the alt-right pipeline. Good to see people someone fight for history in it’s entirety, the good and bad. You make great content keep it up.

[@3dbee47]

Alt right pipeline: a partisan way to say “radicalization” and blame it on only one side

[@onpoint2292]

Fan of Razorfist here. You had a much better argument than what Razorfist brought up. Razorfist's argument was pretty razor thin as I realized when I fully watched both responses. You were able to factually counter his most major points: 1. It was Lincoln's intention to grab as much power for himself; The claim that Lincoln's political philosophy was to be as authoritarian as possible. 2. Lincoln advocating for atrocities against the South; the emancipation proclamation advocating for the molestation and murder of southern women; General Sherman advocating for looting, rape, and murder of civilians among his regimen; President Lincoln ordering or having knowledge of alleged war crimes, etc. 3. The economic power of the South was overstated. The difference in Razorfist's claim that the South paid 70% of Tarriffs vs the reality that the South only paid 8% of the nations Tarriffs was stark. 4. The argument that the Confederacy did not secede because of Slavery. Razorfist's major pieces of evidence were the words of 1 former Confederate soldier, and a counter theory that only "former Whig Democrats" held slavery as a reason to secede. 5. The assertion that American politics at the time universally agreed that states could secede at any time they wanted. He provided very little evidence of that claim, and none of his pieces of evidence were explicit about states seceding. Also, the right to secede wasn't proven to extend to every state in the USA. 6. I think you actually missed this flaw in Razorfist's argument. All of Razorfist's evidence of grievances the Union committed against the confederacy... happened after they seceded and declared war. The only one that happened before the Civil war was high Tarriffs. The rest of the comparison between the grievances the Confederacy had vs the American Colonies in the American Revolutionary War falls flat. There's a lot more that you made good counterarguments for. The point is you helped me look at the points made in the video more objectively. Thank you. The other Razorfist fans likely have too much confirmation bias, and too little patience to hear you out because you point out some flaws in someone they like. That is not a good reason to not listen to a counter argument.

[@uqzjvnn]

As someone from Razorfist's community who doesn't think Lincoln was a EVIL DICTATOR. I want to thank you for your response to his poor take. I found channels like yours and Atun-Shi because I knew he was wrong but didn't know enough about it to prove him wrong.

[@ben-gm4ij]

The comment is awesome to see. I’m glad you got both sides and took them into consideration before mindlessly supporting razor fist. VTH is an amazing channel with informative content and our community here is nothing but positive!

[@leumas_razalas4427]

Same, I watch Razor infrequently and when his video on Lincoln was brought to my attention I just knew there was gonna be something wrong about it. I watched it today then found VTH's response right after and well I am very happy I did. I sent both parts and this video to my brother who found himself in a similar situation a week ago. Idk how to feel about Razor after these past few hours.

[@valkyrie_ma]

That's actually how I feel about a lot of people I disagree with. I know they're wrong, but I'm also not the most articulate speaker in the world. I stumble on my words a lot, I have trouble formulating what I have in mind, and I don't have a lot of confidence when I speak. And though I'm certainly working on this, it's still pretty nice to see people who are vocally competent say exactly what I want to say. It's also nice to see that some of Razor's fans aren't completely insane like some of the ones I've seen in the vid. Personally I don't really like the guy, but if someone like you is a part of his community, then maybe there might be a grain of truth to what he says. But I'm not sure

[@zenoblues7787]

I found this channel the same way I'm not the most educated individual on history, but I knew some of his arguments were wrong. I could tell he was using a lot of Lost Cause rhetoric, but I just didn't know enough about the Civil War to tell what else was wrong. VTH actually educated me by explaining why it's wrong and pointing out things I myself didn't notice.

[@zenoblues7787]

@Dr Accula Oh, right, because race jokes are gonna show you're better somehow stay classy

[@lukes9550]

RazorFist is the bizzaro world version of Atun-Shei. Where Atun-Shei is intentionally offensive to bring attention to a valid point, RazorFist is being offensive to be edgy and thinks that being edgy makes you correct.

[@vanhagar3000]

I don't know if that comparison holds for me. After reading a bit about him, I've always taken Atun-Shei as a filmmaker that uses a history background (once being a historical tour guide IIRC) as part of his work. Fisty Boy is just kind of a run of the mill internet edgelord with no discernable ability or knowledge other than to being relatable to other weird edgelord, the ability to wear sunglasses inside, and having a camera filter.

[@1CE.]

What do you expect from a guy wearing sunglasses, guyliner and a leather coat? Razor is more of a detriment for his argument than anything Chris can say

[@matrix91234]

Or better examples is Angry Video Game Nerd. He acts rude for comedy, but in real life he is a nice and understanding person. Cant say same thing with Razorfist who will delete opinions different than him and name call people, you know which is ironic since he wants to own the keyword authoritarian.

[@jimboscooter432]

Razorfish is like a walking talking cartoon character.

[@lukes9550]

@@vanhagar3000 Fair enough.

[@Shadowkiller-dq2ju]

Razorfist is the type of guy that will throw insults instead of making a good come back when he’s being outsmarted or proven wrong

[@shortlivedglory3314]

He's also the guy to immediately deny it and accuse you of doing it.

[@coldwar45]

@@shortlivedglory3314 He’ll throw insults than block you before you can respond. He’s a coward.

[@1CE.]

Not true I do recall many apologies from him before. He has however been very different, something about his gf? He’s extremely petty now but at the time of this he would have likely even contacted Chris

[@corey2232]

Exactly. With a heavy dose of "whataboutism" to distract from inconvenient facts that get in the way of his narrative. I honestly don't think it's worth Chris's time to respond to any future video Razorfist may release "debunking" him. We know it won't contain evidence that refutes Chris, and it's only purpose is to make him look good to his followers (who obviously want to believe anything he says anyway).

[@JD-Media]

@@1CE. Well he's making a rebuttal. I can already bet it will be loaded with petty insults.

[@Hannibalian]

"those who write down history are those who won" every christian historian in the 1st century took that personally

[@sabin97]

what is a "christian historian"?

[@warlordofbritannia]

@@sabin97 The early Church fathers were trying to keep records while remaining underground (at times literally), that’s what is being referred to.

[@sabin97]

@@warlordofbritannia ah. those pieces of sht sadly survived. and thus we are currently cursed with christianity(and the other abrahamic religions). i really wouldnt trust their "records".

[@warlordofbritannia]

@@sabin97 Oh. You’re anti-theistic. Cringe.

[@sabin97]

@@warlordofbritannia not necessarily anti-theistic. fsm is an awesome god. i'm anti-abrahamic. all versions of yahweh sabaoth and its followers are disgusting.

[@ChristophersRants]

I'm a Razor fan but, I liked how you handled yourself so I subscribed you didn't attack him personally and you actually watched the video didn't play the video for a few seconds and attacked you let him make his points and then critiqued I also like some of your other videos so far that I watched.

[@VloggingThroughHistory]

Glad to have you here!

[@mitchjames9350]

@@VloggingThroughHistory you and razor should have a discussion on the matter.

[@johnmkmu]

Same here

[@mattglasgow4383]

VTH is the real deal. Definitely my favorite yter.

[@EpicTyphlosionTV]

​@@mitchjames9350I second this. I'd love to see them have a debate

[@lamp12341]

Chris you're honesty and impartiality regarding history is admirable. More people should be like you. Wonderful response!

[@TweeterAndTheMunkyMan]

Agreed 👍

[@nickshaffer9961]

He very much is impartial

[@TheMasonK]

@@night6724 pretty sure you’re a troll but Chris is literally the most impartial KZbinr I’ve ever seen. Dude tries to include Democrats and Republicans alike in all his discussions. His channel is one of the most positive channels out there. He doesn’t condone negativity from either side.

[@c63amgblack]

@Mason everyone is partial. It's not possible to be impartial. Even a robot has bais coded into them. Chris is awesome but he has a perspective.

[@centennialpeaksadventures]

Chris has his perspective, as we all do. So there is a level of partiality. However, he comes from a place of principal and is able to coherently defend + explain his positions. And he tries to come from a place of understanding and not vitriol. It’s so refreshing that, in today’s world, it does feel impartial! Edit: Spelling

[@TheMasonK]

Actual historian with his most known topic being the Civil War > Internet Edge Lord

[@occheermommy]

Yeah your wrong. He doesn’t teach and he is a historian.

[@TheMasonK]

@@occheermommy I’m pretty sure Chris said he has a degree in it but just never used it.

[@twiggy1253]

@@night6724 He’s a historian, I don’t even think he is a teacher.

[@coldwar45]

@@twiggy1253 He has a degree in history but he doesn’t work as a teacher. He’s a speaker with Rachel’s Challenge.

[@yolobuck2553]

A historian does not need a degree. Anyone can be a historian. Its a matter of credibility and honestly that earns your established credentials. A university does not control history

[@johanneswerdi]

It would have been funny to get Atun-Shei as Johnny Reb to read some of these.

[@redwall1123]

Never say never, maybe people can get him in on it

[@Shifty69569]

Please Chris 😂😂

[@mudnarchist]

Atun-Shei and VTH need to team up against Razorfist lmao

[@undertakernumberone1]

I mean... that reads like an insult to Johnny Reb, considering that he DID somewhat mature after his first "true" appearance after the first episode (while even teh show at times conflates him with the Confederate Cavalry Officer, that one got killed and Johnny is a bit less unapologetic Lost Cause, on average)

[@cosmicape13]

Not going to lie, would be pretty funny to see another Checkmate Lincolnites! On Razors video...

[@benjaminmolina3456]

wtf is it with people throwing "socialist" and " bolshevik" towards anyone they do not agree with?

[@Shaun_Jones]

It is bizarre, especially since they are often the kind of people who complain that “liberals just call anyone they don’t like a Nazi” without any sense of irony.

[@elfishmoss1457]

It's very common for some reason, if someone disagrees with people these days is either a communist, a fascist or a nazi sympathiser and you can easily determine this based on comments and videos on the internet

[@elfishmoss1457]

​@@Shaun_Jonesyeah I mean all of politics has turned into this, I've seen people calling Kier Starmer, who is a moderate in the UK, and people are calling him things like Comrade and things, we live in crazy times

[@Mark_Slams]

These people who like razorfist claim to despise echo chambers and safe spaces, yet when anyone challenges their limited perspective, that's immediately where they retreat.

[@chickencharlie1992]

You don't deserve the hate. You're a damn fine individual, not just a damn fine historian. You're doing the lords work.

[@hodgebodge]

Obviously I agree, been watching for a long time. But I think it's probably wise to stay clear of shock jock outrage junkies and partisans like Razorfist. The tone of the communities is just so toxic and in my experience the community around here is actually very very calm and respectful by KZbin standards

[@FlameKing91]

The Reddit White Knights are here in full force I see. Lol.

[@networknomad5600]

Eh, he’s a Lincoln bootlicker. Hard pass.

[@mrmackey8776]

Talk about brainwashed

[@AtamiskxIx]

"No, history is not always written by the winners, look at the lost cause myth." BURN!!! Amazing work as always. Kinda sad how cringe a lot of those comments were.

[@greenknightofwar7024]

History is written by historians.

[@chaost4544]

I always hated the "History is written by the winners" saying.

[@thatindiandude4602]

Especially since I see a lot of confederate apologia

[@1CE.]

They’re pretty cringe all around Honestly if you repeat any saying you immediately fall under the cringe territory for me

[@somename105]

@@greenknightofwar7024 if it was there wouldn’t be so many neo Nazis and South will rise again mfs

[@tom17075]

Hey Chris, Sorry about Tom. We’re not all like him. Keep up the great work!

[@kfizz21]

From now on I'm calling you Real Tom.

[@TheGM-20XX]

Hashtag not all Toms.

[@tdring10681]

@@kfizz21 the real Tom is the one from myspace obviously 😂

[@tom17075]

@@tdring10681I can’t argue that lol

[@1CE.]

Hi Tom

[@JBrantley728]

I absolutely love this channel. I’m no historian by any means but definitely a history buff. Love watching and learning new things. I don’t normally comment but when that dude called you a nobody and you clicked on his channel only to show he has three subscribers and no content I just couldn’t help but to burst out laughing. Anyway keep up the great content glad to be a subscriber to this channel

[@torumakalig5692]

It’s been a while since posting, but you now have more subs than razorfist, so I guess you retroactively countered that stupid claim from his ilk

[@thiccchungo1041]

VTH playing 4 dimensions ahead of razor fist fans 💀

[@Presidentchip-]

Im sure these comments will nothing but civil and respectful as KZbin comments are as we all know some of the most calm cool and collected comments on social media

[@robertbruce7686]

😆

[@williamtheconqueror7807]

Of course, for isn't the internet so reasonable?

[@Longshanks1690]

Honestly, KZbin comments probably are the most polite and civil ones out of all social media apps. That’s the depressing thing.

[@Orocnogu]

@@Longshanks1690 I believe that's because impolite, obscene, questionable comments get filtered in a really sneaky way -- the commenter can see his comment, others can't unless channel owner approves it.

[@redclayscholar620]

@@Longshanks1690 You should read p*rn comments. They are pretty funny and sometimes surprisingly wholesome.

[@SteveScheel]

I'd be so pumped for a Checkmate Razor-ites series by VTH.

[@Justanotherconsumer]

Do they still use Dixie as the theme song?

[@painvillegaming4119]

@@Justanotherconsumer or the cry of freedom

[@matrix91234]

@@Justanotherconsumer I personally like Union version of that better.

[@el.blanco552]

That would be amazing

[@warlordofbritannia]

@@matrix91234 Union version is the only one, wth are you talking about? 😂

[@leviwarkentine4161]

"Words have meaning, but yours don't" was just too good

[@greenknightofwar7024]

Normally you wait for the end of the conversation for them to contradict themselves but that was just too good.

[@bennygoodmanisgod]

I gotta use that more. Thanks 🙏🏻

[@E4MB]

was abt to comment abt this, shit had me dying 😂

[@israelcowl6764]

I see 353K subscribers on his channel and 354K on yours. So I guess this means you are now right.

[@Jcdoyel]

Personally, I'm a fan of Razor-fist and still am. But that does not mean that one should blindly agree with everything on every single subject in order to be a fan. Though I admire Razor-fist in other subject matters, the Lincoln issue is still hard to swallow. Even if most of Razorfist's points were convincing enough to give me second thoughts, I think it's better to read the very source materials myself before verifying Razor-fist's position on Lincoln.

[@coolguyinc.1555]

VTH is the history teacher I wish I had

[@jackreillygillic]

Couldn’t agree more!

[@JedForge]

Definitely agree with the sentiment ... though Chris was in Elementary when I was in High School so .... ;)

[@Molomar1]

I don't know how you can even discuss things with someone like him lmao. He lives in his own version of reality and is too stubborn to even realize that

[@Molomar1]

The "him" in question being Razorfist

[@boopdino8053]

I agree,these kind of people just mindlessly live in their own world of blindness and ignorance,and i think that this makes VTH's ability to stay reasonable,clear and respectful even more impressive. I personally just feel sorry for them,because such people are so restricted in life through their ways of thinking,its sad and i pity them.

[@TheSkyGuy77]

Mr SharpHand also contradicts himself a lot ""I'm not a Lost Causer, I just agree with everything they say11"". He's not very smart.

[@satvikduvuru3735]

The comment section is literally: "Every teacher agrees with my opinion" "Every social media giant agrees with my opinion" "Every major corporation agrees with my opinion" "Every government official agrees with my opinion" "I'm a free thinker who is impervious to mindless radicalization from losers"

[@rodrigogarcia-padilla6342]

@@satvikduvuru3735 This comment is literally: "I'm a freethinker who's impervious to radicalization from losers." A belief doesn't become true just because it's contrarian.

[@MrGrogan02]

The trilogy I never knew I needed.

[@blakemeads9225]

Chris, I’m relatively new to your channel, but I’ve had the pleasure of watching several of your videos, and I sincerely appreciate how objective you are. It’s insanely refreshing with how rampant partisan hackery is on KZbin.

[@docrobo360]

The fact that they have to point out that you're being defensive in your reaction video, while they come in droves to defend Razorfist's hot take is quite ironic. You keep being you, VTH. I've reconnected a lot with US history and world history from your videos. Keep being the awesome person you are!

[@greenknightofwar7024]

I think the best way to describe Razorfists community is with a quote from the movie Gettysburg. “We’d rather lose the war than admit the mistake”.

[@1CE.]

Cringe No they’re mostly Boomers. Most of his younger fanbase have basically left due to his constant beef with other creators who are frankly less optically embarrassing

[@jurtra9090]

​@@1CE. like his beef with Kyle Kulinski and Angry Joe?

[@1CE.]

@@jurtra9090 I don’t follow up on him tbh If he’s pissing off their 2 though idc. F them 😂

[@jurtra9090]

​@@1CE. why, tho? They're cool IMO

[@1CE.]

@@jurtra9090 Bruh

[@lukes9550]

Man for RazorFist not being a lost-causer he sure does seem to make a lot of Lost Cause arguments and so do his fans

[@greenknightofwar7024]

You’re just a socialist tool who’s stuck in the matrix and need to recognize our one true lord and savior who has come to enlighten us with his great words.

[@chaost4544]

Almost all his arguments are "lost cause" oriented.

[@greenknightofwar7024]

@@chaost4544 pretty much

[@matrix91234]

He is just trying to earn his edgelord points. Except i have seen other edgelords being more reasonable than the Dunning-Kruger effect of a trainwreck that is Razorfist

[@jurtra9090]

​@@matrix91234 he's still on a phase

[@bobburris4445]

"words have meaning . . . Yours don't" I that made me spit my drink out. You owe me a Coke, Chris! 😂😂😂

[@VloggingThroughHistory]

Sorry Bob!

[@spectre9948]

@@night6724 good trolling

[@nickshaffer9961]

@@night6724 wow that was a really funny comment…or wait you were being serious. That makes it even funnier

[@crimsonguy8696]

@@night6724 I mean, even if you get down to the nuance, you can't really refute that the elite class of the South- it's leadership class- was wealthy and supported by the system of slavery and wanted maintained. Was there more to it? Of course, the Tariff issue was probably as important as the slavery issue, but slavery was Foremost at the moment they decided to Secede. Now I enjoy Razor content as much as the next guy, but you REALLY gotta stretch to begin to claim the war wasn't about slavery. Saying the North was racist, Tariffs were also a major issue, difference in culture, etc. still doesn't invalidate slavery being at the forefront in the minds of southern elite in 1859/1860. Did every southerner fight for slavery? No, did every northerner fight to end it? No, was the war about ending slavery? No, but what a nice bonus, made all the death worth something, at least. I'm not claiming expertise, though I do have my degree in history, so I won't debate the matter, though.

[@redwall1123]

@treefiddy CHECKMATE LINCOLNITES!!! Sorry I just couldn’t resist 😂

[@oneamericannoparty.]

As a person who loves history, more especially the life of Lincoln and the civil war Era, I just wanna know how the hell I missed this hilarious sparring until yesterday. I'm always late to the party. I do have to add, I don't actually remember him saying the civil war had nothing to do with slavery. I could be wrong. This is why we as a nation will fail. It's all in or none at all. Nobody uses BOTH ears before they flap their lip

[@EsotericHamiltonian]

Thank you for taking the time to debunk Razorfist's insane arguments and his fans, it should be noted that his entire video was sourced from one book which is Thomas Di Lorenzo's "The Real Lincoln". He makes many of the same historical errors that Di Lorenzo made in his book, I seriously doubt he consulted any actual primary sources from the period and just pulled quotes that Di Lorenzo had also used to try and make Lincoln look bad. Again, thank you for taking the time to correct and educate people on the many historically inaccurate takes from Razor.

[@shanerjedi1138]

I read that book years ago. I wondered where Razor got his ideas. Now that makes a lot of sense.

[@FlameKing91]

"dEbOnK"

[@Stevioslawgeek1979]

I had a feeling this was the case. A single source, a bad one at that. No primary sources. It’s lazy, but generates clicks unfortunately, and now he, and ppl like him become more successful as we talk about them and fuel the algorithm and inadvertently send folks to his page. It’s a bit distressing the way the internet works sometimes. I miss books that forced people to read. I miss news that isn’t entertainment. We live in a intellectually lazier, more ignorant world as a result.

[@networknomad5600]

@@Stevioslawgeek1979 Multiple sources, he literally listed them. Try again.

[@Stevioslawgeek1979]

@@networknomad5600 he pulled it right out of the bibliography from that book. You try again instead of being ignorant. Look at its bibliographic listings regarding specific quotes, data, regular citations. It’s uncanny how familiar it all is…as in exactly the same.

[@tzeneth]

I'm sorry, calling you a bolshevik or a socialist had me laughing. You don't usually go into politics and keep to facts, which I enjoy. And when you do offer opinions, I understand them, even if I potentially disagree. But what makes me laugh so hard is that, by European standards, I'm left and, by American standards, I'm far left, to hear you being called a bolshevik or a socialist just has me laughing so hard and shows how little any of these people actually understand political positions.

[@warlordofbritannia]

Bolsheviks and socialists don’t even exist on the same plane lmao

[@maximaldinotrap]

Fucking hell, Chris is open about being right leaning and they still called him socialist

[@tzeneth]

@@maximaldinotrap But obviously he's "far left" of them and everything left of them is obviously socialist! /s

[@queuedjar4578]

@@warlordofbritannia They're just on the same road to totalitarianism. Whether you believe in 3D roads or 2D roads is irrelevant.

[@supereero9]

​@@queuedjar4578 What does this mean? I find there are as many definitions of socialism as there are socialists and opponents of socialism

[@williamcosgrove1558]

Chris, your response to the responses are excellent and civil. Of all the KZbin channels out there you are the only one I support and I constantly share your channel to others because of your civility and historical insights. Keep up the good work.

[@ActionBastardo]

Hi Chris, I was wondering if you ever plan on doing historical book reviews or recommendations? I'd love to see that!

[@VloggingThroughHistory]

Yes. Definitely something I’d like to start doing

[@tonyvieira7699]

Not a history book, but have you ever read southern victory books from harry turtle dove? It’s alternative history but based on historical figures. I think you could make great content with it

[@Justanotherconsumer]

Would love to hear your thoughts on Eric Foner’s Reconstruction.

[@undertakernumberone1]

@@night6724 Why the south ended slave trade? Because they knew that they'd stand against the Royal Navy if the Transatlantic Slave trade woudl go on. And, during the war, would probably sink even the faintest hope of major european support. It wasn't about "The blacks taking up the new space!" It was about Rich slave owners moving in, using their cheap labor to grab a huge chunk of land and leaving the rest stand in the rain. And that's only the majority. There were people who were against Slavery on moral grounds as well.

[@genebelcher8714]

Count me in on the VTH book club! Maybe a once a month video?

[@GlobalOutcast]

Btw at this point in this VTH has 400k+ subs Raz0r has 370k

[@EmptyDisc1]

yea lol

[@yakumoyukari4405]

How the tables turned by that logic lmao

[@slipperytrooper]

"Basic history comprehension is your friend" 🤣 I love it

[@donnahanna10565]

I know I loved that comment myself too bad the people it was directed at may not see it and even if they do they probably won't understand it 😬

[@Dkc3]

The hero we need but don't deserve 🙏

[@chickencharlie1992]

"Basic history comprehension is your friend" I'm stealing this.

[@redtube8667]

The Dunning-Kruger Effect is strong within the Razor community

[@a.wenger3964]

Ideology is an amazing short cut for logic. Who likes thinking critically anyways!?

[@Dynnen]

@A. Wenger critical thought has to remain based in reality. This is something razor and his community seem to avoid doing to remain as skeptical as possible

[@meganoob12]

@@Dynnen no, the point is that they are not thinking critical. If they were they would also question Razorfist's points, but instead they rehash all his nonsense without questioning it when challenged. That is a classic sign of indoctriantion, the opposite of free thinking

[@matrix91234]

@@meganoob12 I call it Tyler Durden effect, or Andrew Tate effect. Its a cult like state of mind where claiming authority over something doesnt persuade people from being factually wrong, they dont care to know about and dont want to know about, they just ignore the facts and acts on impulses.

[@lecygne]

I mean, the dude is an adult who records a 60 minute conspiracy rant wearing sunglasses indoor and calls himself "Razorfist."

[@manners7483]

Don't forget the gloves. It's funny to here someone complaining about a dictator while so obviously working hard to build a cult of personality...

[@mikoajfrycz884]

Hey, i like his rants about music, darkthrone metal mythis vid is probably one of my favourites in whole KZbin

[@JubioHDX]

@@mikoajfrycz884 well he definitely looks like someone who knows a good bit about the history of metal music (im assuming thats the genre they are, i wouldnt know), the only relevant issue is he's doing this while spouting inaccurate information and frankly insane opinions about 19th century presidential history regarding the american civil war. I dont doubt he knows his stuff in other topics but this one is just not it

[@bryancurrie1486]

17:13 VTH: "Words have meaning *quietly trails off* yours don't." Has to be the best part of the video. They way you can so quickly and effectively just be so snarky and sarcastic is something beautiful to see. I know you have a thing for grammar, and I knew there was going to be some comments that just were gonna be so poorly written, I am glad I did not miss out. Keep up the good work VTH!

[@rp7983]

I've been subscribed both to VTH and Razor's channel long before this spat occurred. Watching both sides got me to do some digging on the history building up to the US Civil War. I've ended up purchasing some books on this, and look forward to reading them.

[@Stripemas]

I like this... What books have you picked up?

[@el.blanco552]

I don't know how anyone can watch that razor guy

[@rp7983]

@@Stripemas The Impending Crisis: America Before The Civil War 1848-1861 by David M. Potter is one I’ve ordered. Planning to read more but haven’t decided.

[@rp7983]

@@el.blanco552 instead of making demeaning and condescending comments on KZbin, how about you do something constructive. Maybe pick up a book and learn something? Stop being toxic.

[@rookcapcoldblood2618]

@RP798 Instead of lashing out at a comment that displays disbelief in your viewpoint or actions, you could take the time to explain why you feel the way you do instead of being toxic right back yourself. That was a prime opportunity to show somebody why you enjoy something and why you think it's worth their time, but instead, you decided to belittle them. Bad form.

[@trevorlhommedieu7784]

I don’t comment on your content a lot, but as a fellow former history teacher, I love and agree with everything that you share on this channel. It’s very engaging and educational. Keep spreading your knowledge and spreading positivity❤️

[@jram7115]

Title made me laugh, good to see historians hold their ground

[@tyrionstrongjaw7729]

I'm not gonna lie, I think we'd probably disagree more often than not when it comes to policies and political leanings, but you've become my favorite historical YT for a reason. You come at history as blank as you can and even admit your own bias. That's how historians should be. The Razorfist videos were probably the first of yours I couldn't finish, because of how much of a shock jock he was. That being said, it's pretty damn hilarious seeing those comments, because most of them could (and prolly rightfully should) be reflected on the creator they're so passionately defending. Keep doing you man. (Oh and also your original and "unique" content is some of the best around. Please keep doing those!)

[@aviator-fo8sv]

Can we finally admit that history isn't always written by the winners. I give you Jubal Early and Albert Speer. Which of those two were from the winners?

[@cyruscheng499]

I can’t believe he called Sam Nixon a “bolshevik boomer” I’m literally shaking and crying rn

[@alexandermalin6027]

What a sign of your growth, man! I’ve seen your channel since you first started out, in a way having your first big KZbin drama moment is like a rite of passage

[@icarian553]

Will we get part 4? Razörfist has promised to make somekind of reply soon. You shouldn't really waste your time with him. He won't change his opinion.

[@undertakernumberone1]

@@night6724 He has no sources except stuff like the declarations of secession, who often talked about at least a major reason being the northern stance to southern slavery, recognized Historians on the topic etc. Why he doesn't have a debate? With you? Probably because you're some guy int he comments basically going around "come on! Let's throw down!" With Razorfist? Probably because there is little actual debate to be had with him.

[@undertakernumberone1]

@@night6724 "and to destroy our social system" Slavery. Since oyu raise the Secession Article of Mississipi... maybe we shouldn't ignore the leading statement? "Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun. These products have become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization. That blow has been long aimed at the institution, and was at the point of reaching its consummation. There was no choice left us but submission to the mandates of abolition, or a dissolution of the Union, whose principles had been subverted to work out our ruin. " And what was this blow? The election of Lincoln and Lincoln's stance against the expansion of slavery.

[@PzGsephy]

It's literally the title of the document, how could anyone go and say the deceleration isn't LITERALLY A STATEMENT OF INDEPENDENCE.

[@Edax_Royeaux]

"how could anyone go and say the *deceleration* isn't LITERALLY A STATEMENT OF INDEPENDENCE." de·cel·er·a·tion /dēˌseləˈrāSH(ə)n,ˌdēseləˈrāSH(ə)n/ noun reduction in speed or rate.

[@3alanking38]

As someone who is taking APUSH and who's also a big history nerd, many of those comments tore my soul apart.

[@Wittle_Boyo]

This brings me immeasurable joy to see this Indian History KZbinr engage in the comments.

[@mattperiolat]

“If this we’re so easy…” And that’s exactly the point. Being a creator of any type on KZbin is not easy. It requires a lot of patience, work and passion. And as the video points out, the criticism can be quite pointed at best. Actually says a lot that the feedback was so much for these videos (which, kid you not, I was just rewatching) that this video was created. Me being me and seeing what is done here by VTH, History Underground and other creators makes me wonder if I could do it with my own views and passions… then I see the comment sections and think better.

[@jeremy2948]

I admire your patience and dedication to history. I made it halfway through your first reaction of him, and couldn't handle being yelled at by someone spreading lies for an hour. It's great that you tackle those who disagree with you. Keep it up!

[@modernjosephus356]

I mean dozens of "conservative" and "liberal" historians all would say that Lincoln was not a dictator and that the South seceded over slavery. The facts are clear...anything else is Lost Cause talking points or ignorance.

[@metaladdiction4life]

Razorfist is a coward, you call out something factual that he doesn’t agree with, he blocks you, no dialogue no exchange, just eeek & he runs away, it’s hilarious he’s a 🤡

[@jamesdulany2176]

Chris, I appreciate your bravery in going back for part 3. These people do not understand that you are a Civil War historian. This is literally your field of expertise. I appreciate you having the patience to deal with these awful comments.

[@satvikduvuru3735]

Ah yes, truly stunning and brave going after easy targets.

[@Jack-yu4vq]

@@satvikduvuru3735 well yeah, but they’re easy targets because they’re wrong

[@satvikduvuru3735]

@@Jack-yu4vq How do you know?

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

@@satvikduvuru3735 Because some of us actually read up on the subjects we talk about. And to add, Lincoln waited to release the Emancipation Proclamation after a Union victory because he knew that it would look like desperation if he did so earlier, so he released it after the battle of Antietam. Sad part is, I learned this when I was 7.

[@satvikduvuru3735]

@@Lobsterwithinternet But what about Fredericksburg? The inital EP was an announcement of when the slaves would be free. Wouldn't Lincoln need another victory to drive the message to the confederates?

[@Awaken_To_0]

This is why I respect you. Even though we all have our own biases, you really seem to be focused primarily on the history, not pushing an agenda, be it Left or Right. Keep it up!

[@iwrecksqueakers5039]

I can’t actually believe people agreed with Razorfist. I took that video as comedy. Great video VTH!

[@abnmp7865]

Well it’s hard to believe that people believe the Lost Cause butttttt 😂

[@ReasonOverBias]

"Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience."

[@warlordofbritannia]

Say your piece and then disengage, that’s how I handle it.

[@HS6_00]

@@warlordofbritannia people are willing to get into month long arguments on here so yeah that’s about what you should do.

[@programablenuance]

Reminds me of the time I got into an argument in the comments about copyright law. I said there needed to be some decent changes to adapt to the times so it doesn't last 120 years and their argument was to just get rid of copyright all together that "fans will just pay creators and never use free platforms"

[@Meine.Postma]

Who said that again?

[@Lugghandle]

I think I've proven that latter half wrong a few times.

[@RavenHouseMystery]

To be honest, I am a big fan of Razorfist and his videos (which can be both informative and funny), but I was a bit taken aback by his video on Lincoln as a dictator. I wondered if I had to rethink my views on Lincoln, but then I saw your reactions. Thank you for giving me another side of the events.

[@animekidz928]

Hi VTH, I am an inspiring history teacher and just want to say that I enjoy your content and I’ve learned a lot from you. Don’t let people like this go to your head because your channel is one of the better ones I’ve seen on KZbin!

[@Odonanmarg]

How do you know that you are “inspiring”❓

[@spencerheaton3332]

I have a feeling this experience might make it's way into this Sunday's sermon for Chris...

[@coldwar45]

Perhaps as an example of not judging someone you don’t know. For example old Danny Boy calling Conservative twice Trump voting Chris a “Bolshevik boomer”

[@bulletsnleather3275]

I'm a metalhead who liked razorfist's videos when he talked about bands and music but since he started talking about politics and history I've found him to be about as appealing as jamming my toes. I have a history degree and was able to dispute almost all his points as easily though not as quickly as you were. I don't always agree with your slightly conservative takes on some subjects, however I always trust/see that you have done your homework and I can't recall anytime you were incorrect factually. Cheers man

[@BlazingOwnager]

I ran into him on MechWarrior streams where he was the most incompetent person I've ever seen play that game. Then I bumped into the metal history stuff and that was pretty good, but good God this is a terrible take among many other terrible takes. For crying out loud that dude tried to defend a Bill Cosby once.

[@bulletsnleather3275]

@@BlazingOwnager yeah, the metal history stuff is entertaining but he's arrogant as hell even there. I tried to forget about the Bill Cosby defense so thanks for that haha

[@Geno_620]

Question: Something I do not understand. In years past, metal heads, and people of similar interest were recognized as the opposition to the state, to the "Man", and the oppression. In 2023, the Democratic party is the "Man". They want the government in your homes, they want to mold your children to their beliefs, not yours, they want to enact policies that don't help people, just make them more government dependent, and yet, although the Democratic party is everything the people of that ilk fought against and were against for so long, what happened that those same people are now predominately supporting the very same policies that they were against, often being the standard bearer. Just wondering.

[@BlazingOwnager]

@@Geno_620 You are actually on point. I am anti-authoritarian first and foremost, and the current left is trying to be authoritarian under the guise of morality, which is how most dystopias are depicted for good reason. The same people who never trusted the government, who lobbied for free speech above all are now the ones rallying to support the government and suppress free speech. The word Liberal gets misused a lot, but I think that's what most people are. The left hates Liberals just as much as the right, of course.

[@bulletsnleather3275]

@@Geno_620 I'm not a Democrat or Republican. My general ideals are pretty left leaning admittedly but I think the both parties are equally likely to piss down my back and tell me it's raining. I'm not familiar with specific examples of things youre talking about but if it should be so plain to see, please provide some. Also, I see some Republicans/rightwingers wanting Christian nationalism and wonder how metalheads end up in the same camp as those characters in turn. I tend to try to stay out of political discussions with people since it's usually just a bunch of strawman arguments and if it's not that, I've noticed both ends of the spectrum get easily offended and that's when the reactionary bickering begins which I have no time for

[@pop5678eye]

What would be wrong with planning responses? That just means you think before you speak. All debates should be like that. It is quite an erroneous mindset (unfortunately propagated by much of media) that the quicker you respond the more 'right' your response 'must' be. This leads to 'debates' where the person who interrupts more and is more vulgar is considered the 'winner' regardless of the content of what comes out of their mouth.

[@SadMarinersFan]

"The civil war wasn't about slavery, it was about states rights" Anyone with half a brain: "A states right to what"

[@illegitimatefilm]

Not to be tariffed up the pooper.

[@SadMarinersFan]

@@illegitimatefilm "The General Government, as the common agent, passed laws to carry into effect these stipulations of the States. For many years these laws were executed. But an increasing hostility on the part of the non-slaveholding States to the institution of slavery, has led to a disregard of their obligations, and the laws of the General Government have ceased to effect the objects of the Constitution". - South Carolina's secession letter to congress. They make it pretty clear the issue is slavery.

[@queuedjar4578]

@@SadMarinersFan Still doesn't make them more mad about the fact that they now had less power to decide on these laws or not. Roe V. Wade was repealed because it was unconstitutional and was a matter reserved to the states to legislate. If the federal government says "fuck that actually we've suddenly decided you can or cannot do abortion anyways even though we said it's up to you" people are going to be pretty mad regardless of your views on abortion. The rest of the world was realizing slavery wasn't at all practical or even profitable, it would have gone away far more peacefully as essentially an inevitability.

[@angusyang5917]

If Razorfist hadn't been so rude and ecstatic, I think Chris would've been more forgiving, and treated it as a relatively normal discussion, like he did with Monsieur Z's video on why Woodrow Wilson was bad.

[@drtoddhardin]

I have been watching this video and I have laughed so hard my side hurts! Please keep up the excellent content VTH!

[@lavrentivs9891]

"History is written by the victors", hence why we've never heard the american side of the Vietnam war and only hear the Soviet version of WW2 =P

[@gavinshultz443]

VTH has been studying history his entire carrier and he threw their agreements out the window I respect you because you get the facts right and not afraid to get history right. I respect you man

[@andrewmartin8908]

I'm sorry, I thought I was watching Chris from VTH, not Mr. White from Breaking bad. (Ya got me) You have some very fun comments and I absolutely love listening to you. Keep up the great work!

[@VloggingThroughHistory]

I AM THE ONE WHO KNOCKS

[@TrekBeatTK]

@@VloggingThroughHistory now I’m just imaging Chris and Jesse Pinkman in the desert of New Mexico and Chris starts explaining the tribal history of the reservation they are on.

[@danieln.1034]

Absolute class in how to handle these people. You have cultivated a great community here and it shows in the vast majority of the comment, don’t let the other ones get to you. Keep up the great work!

[@chrisradtke3645]

I'm a Razorfist fan but also subscribe to you(and was a subscriber to you before his video was released). I love your videos. While I don't agree with you 100% about this subject, I highly respect your opinions and when it comes to history i take your opinion more seriously then Razorfist who's majority of videos are about comics and music.

[@johnroscoe2406]

He should stick to comics and music and steer clear of objective factual history.

[@agentspaniel4428]

If history really was written by the winners, then we wouldn't even be here talking about it

[@thecouncilofthirteen2943]

You could make a whole "checkmate lincolnites" episode out of razörfists video and these comments

[@Ugly_German_Truths]

that's basically why they exist.. ;)

[@ed_carnby3431]

Which would you rather have solid info from about history, A History teacher with degrees gives you solid facts from books etc. or some loud mouth leather loving youtuber? Im going for the History teacher but thats me.

[@blueberrymcphuckerson9821]

_Appeal to Authority_ Look that up. I'd rather listen to individual's arguments and breakdown each. Cause you know, I actually paid attention to history and find a lot of examples of well-respected "experts" advocate horrible atrocities (infamously e.g. Lobotomy and that babies can't feel pain). And in an opposite fashion, Louis Pasteur got his education in Mathematics and Chemical Physics but would go on to be one of the 3 Fathers of Microbiology despite "experts" at the time disagreeing with The Germ Theory Of Disease and his biology-related work could be unethical since he wasn't an MD (like creating the Rabies Vaccine).

[@UltraGalaxyify]

Can a history teacher ever be wrong?

[@RequiemNocturne1]

@@blueberrymcphuckerson9821 I mean, this is definitely what you should do. An appeal to authority logical fallacy, is when you say their arguments are valid simply because they said so, this isn't the case here. I'm not going to go to a conspiracy theorist to gain knowledge on the civil war when a historian actually has accreditation on the subject and knows what they're talking about.

[@blueberrymcphuckerson9821]

@Requiemxtoxinnocence ...This is exactly the case here ( _Appeal to Authority_ [AtA])... The OP is using AtA to justify the arguments of one side while dismissing the arguments of another side who is not accredited expert. An expert is someone you go to start with the information you're looking for and you have expectations for them. However, you should also listen and pay attention carefully because experts are human and humans have flaws (biases, misremembering, the human-nature to avoid embarrassment, personal incentives, etc.). Earlier today I was watching a video from Girl With Dogs on a grooming a Labador/Doodle mix who's hygiene was moderately-neglected due to the owner's financial hardships. According to the YTer, she stated the owner informed her that a previous groomer (a fellow expert) stated that to shave the dog (due to matting) alone it would take roughly 3 hours and the dog would have to be under sedation. The YTer was able to shave the dog in ~32 minutes without sedation then continue the cleaning under 3hrs... This VtH has convinced me in some ways, but he uses his authority to cover his weaknesses in some of his arguments and shitty debating skills. For examples: Literally lost count how often he strawmanned Razorfist if not flatout ignored him at some parts explaining his points. Like implying Razorfist, an AnCap/Libertarian, would not be against the crimes of Andrew Jackson. This VTH literally would immediately fail his own rules he set: *"If you need an hour to explain something, chances are you're full of shit."* *_Goes on to make a total runtime of ~2.5 hrs of video across 3 videos arguing "Why the Civil War was just about Slavery"._* Roughly, think, 23 minutes into this video he goes through the Confederate States' Declarations of Indepence and sets a rule "Chances are the first thing they bring up is what they cared about.". *_When the motherfucker gets to South Carolina's (himself saying that state started and led the secession), he blatantly skips the 1st Topic Paragraph talking about State's Right > Federal Rights and goes to the second supporting paragraph talking about slavery._* Jesus Fucking Christ, dude. Actually put effort to think instead of being intellectually lazy and only being satisfied with someone's position of Authority. You think in 2023 "Conspiracy Theorist" is an insult? You do understand that many of the atrocities we know the U.S. Government did were once Conspiracy Theories until brave motherfuckers pushed through the stigma and smear attacks? Examples: Tuskegee Syphilis Experiments. FBI trying to kill MLK Jr. via blackmailing him into suicide. CIA-Funded 1980's Crack Epidemic on Black America to aid the Contras. NSA Widespread Domestic Spying (literally remember growing up in the 2000's how people laughed that shit off until Snowden dropped the objective proof) Gulf of Tonkin being a False-Flag. Lufthansa being lied about to get the US into WWI. Operation Sea-Spray. Operation Northwoods. MK Ultra. Fucking COVID being manmade. Holy shit my guy; using the term "Conspiracy Theorist" seriously as a dismissive insult is the Gold Standard indication that someone's a genuine easily-manipulated useful-idiot that can be manipulated by bullshit ego-stroking his pseudo-intellect.

[@RequiemNocturne1]

@@blueberrymcphuckerson9821 TL;DR.

[@joseph8275]

I follow Razorfist because I’m mostly ideologically aligned and find him somewhat entertaining but you roasted his arguments effortlessly and without animosity. Respect, subbed and looking forward to your future work ✌️

[@Cotswolds1913]

Huge props. As someone who is also mostly ideologically aligned (classical liberal), there is a very bad strain among American libertarians wherein they think they have become experts on history or foreign affairs, not because they've done much of any research themselves, but because they heard a Ron Paul acolyte make a few remarks in a youtube video.

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

@@Cotswolds1913Its less that and more that they let their libertarian views color everything and dictate their sympathies. Kind of like how Tankies will side with the communist, whether they're right or not.

[@dontworryaboutit6179]

"Do not confuse your 10 second google search with my decades of historical research." *insert VTH chad meme here

[@marcusinfestus1333]

I'm a fan of Razorfist, but I appreciate the corrections. It's kinda important to get things right. I sympathize with Razorfist's anger, so I have to have the self-awareness to double-check what I hear.

[@5925-p1b]

I checked the original video and looking at the comment section I quickly learned pretty much everything I needed to. There was some insane stuff there, like "Lincoln was right about one thing, black people" with tons of likes, meanwhile I saw literally zero criticism directed at the video, other then 1 comment only 36 minutes old at the time. This tells me that the creator is actively removing every comment that's not praising him or the video. It's insane how cultish that comment section looked like. People are calling for him to run for President, etc. That one negative comment was actually something along the lines of "getting some Columbine vibes here", and honestly, I can see how this guy would leave that comment up, mistaking it for a compliment.

[@vehx9316]

Also Rageaholic has no qualms in responding to comments that basically say they dislike his video (usually with a very cringy quip). But when called out directly on the omissions and outright distortion of facts in his video. Suddenly Rageaholic becomes very quiet. I wonder why........

[@ActionBastardo]

To spite the knuckleheads, here's a tip. Keep up the amazing content!

[@MoonRabbit1977]

I think people would take you more seriously as an academic if you started dressing like an Andrew Dice Clay cosplayer.

[@Slayer-Wulf]

Razorfist: "I'm not a lost causer" Also Razorfist: Proceeds to parrot lost cause talking points that have been easily debunked.

[@christopherfrance970]

he hit almost all of them without missing a beat lol

[@funfsinn14]

Razorfist, at best, reminds me of a freshman-sophomore college student taking intro to US history courses and making it his mission to argue every point of the professor from the POV of his ideological (probably anarcho-capitalist) lens. He has some grasp of elements of history and basic argumentation, but scratching below that thin veneer can easily trounce the bulk of what he's aiming to do. I'm sad to say, that while at university during those years I did some of the same things which is why I chose that analogy. The difference is that mostly everybody grows out of it as you become more self aware and empathetic and rigorous and discerning with further experience. But, he leaned into it and let that nonreflective behavior petrify to be the basis for trash-to-subpar yt content. If I were you VTH, I'd just not touch his stuff at all from now on. You won't find good-faith interactions with him nor his followers, as the whole of them are deeply trapped in that dynamic and they don't seek experience or knowledge outside the echo chamber they've curated. Many will hopefully grow out of it naturally but otherwise it's best to let it go.

[@queuedjar4578]

I follow the rageaholic. Razor has admitting on livestream on a few occasions to being the person who did raise his hand and get into discussions with professors about things, which was probably easy in college since they only seem to employ shrieking leftists on the complete ideological opposite of his stances. I think it's more he saw that it entertained his classmates enough and probably sparked the idea to do it more for entertainment on youtube. I would honestly personally agree with his stance on an ideal America/western society being one granting a free market and people more personal power and freedom in the political process and their own societies, it is something truly more revolutionary and never been fully accomplished even in America's history. But I think he does get caught up in starting to twist some things into further supporting his ideas and since he's known as "the rageaholic" makes it so he would rather lash out to deflect even good faith criticism rather than hearing people out.

[@mwheeler138]

And the "You're just a big government loving, socialist, boot licker, dictator loving, authoritarian, elite narrative loving, etc, etc" are other classics from these types. This is just an extension of the vulgar name calling. It happens when people don't have a good argument. They attack everyone as a bad actor. And I can't stress this enough, Razor is like this with EVERYTHING. He does music & game reviews, too. That's how I found him because we like some of the same metal. You can always predict where his opinion will fall because he's a deliberate contrarian. If you like an album that he doesn't then you're tone deaf and have no taste. If you dislike an album he does you're a moron. Not a good guy.

[@matrix91234]

Yeah same here. He is a hack in my view. He has zero respect for people with different opinion than him. He is like real life version of Dunning-Kruger effect

[@frankie3010]

@@matrix91234 I mean it can be a case that he is right and you are wrong. And if that's the case, your opinion isn't worth hearing, let alone considering.

[@matrix91234]

@@frankie3010 I mean Razorfist is opposed to democracy, yet he wanna label others as authoritarian. So i guess his views is pretty low and just bottom of the barrel of human decency so there is that

[@BestWayKilla]

@@matrix91234 If you implement democracy, you get the Delian League. So yeah, count me as opposed to democracy too.

[@matrix91234]

@@BestWayKilla But then you have more in common with communists and nazis because they aswell didnt like Democracy, thats the point. People who dont value human or civil rights are flat out arguing in bad faith. So i dont trust people who see people as less than the dictatorship they want. Which is what Russia, China and North Korean regime is like

[@jamesfetherston1190]

“You seem partisan…”. Says someone who follows Razorfist.

[@kaomatic]

he has a lot of game reviews and music reviews politics is only about 1/3 his channel i like his gaming and music takes but that’s as far as it goes

[@redditfaggerton3165]

You probably know nothing about him brother

[@mattywalshy6216]

^ Hey look, a terminally online individual