Let's Relaunch the Universal Monsters - THORGIWEEN - Pitching In

We're celebrating Halloween by paying tribute to the classics. I'm talking of course about the Universal Monsters, Dracula, Wolfman, Frankenstein, the Mummy, and much more. However their films recently have kind of been duds so today we're kicking off a brand new show where we're going to tell you how we'd relaunch their franchises.
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[@officernarc]

DUDE. You want to hear no-brainer? The guy who directed It Follows doing The Invisible Man.

[@Chronic_Gainz]

GREAT IDEA.

[@crystalgriffin6168]

@@Chronic_Gainz Oh, No, No, No No, NO! Universal should keep all the Classic Monsters, all the horror, all the appearances of The Classic Monsters. But, just add Modern Special Effects, and, faster than you can scream, there you have it!

[@Chronic_Gainz]

@@crystalgriffin6168 Kinda like what they did with the Swamp Thing tv show? Swamp Thing is just a suit and practical effects.

[@jtcob8486]

@@crystalgriffin6168 dude, do you know it follows is a horror movie right?

[@Chuck_EL]

​@@crystalgriffin6168 the babaduke actually looks like Mr Hyde too , Jennifer Camp would be a great choice

[@one_with_kevrything9825]

I will die on this hill again and again, but 2010 Wolfman was incredible.

[@davidart0128]

One of my FAVORITE revamps! I stand with you on that hill!

[@wesstewart2677]

Honestly yes. Loved Benecio, liked the creature design, some of the scares, and overall atmosphere/aesthetic

[@ChrisConnolly-Mr.C-Dives-In]

I too am on this same hill. For me, it is a captivating, mesmerizing motion picture.

[@xxlasher216xx]

I would rather watch Air Bud 20x than have to sit through the abomination that was that was the 2010 Wolfman again. That script was so bad that I swear to god, you could see the pain on Hopkins’ face having to deliver those god awul lines.

[@chrismc8753]

I wouldn't say it was incredible, but I do think its very enjoyable

[@davidanato5701]

You're practically showing me that I made the right choice subscribing! I LOVE the Universal Monsters

[@AGETheGawdYT]

The mob idea for Frankenstein is pure genius.

[@Toast960]

I love the idea of a proper Dracula origin story. The last scene could even be a re-filming of the beginning of the 1931 film. The film would end with Dracula on the staircase introducing himself and saying "I bid you welcome" and just flash upon his evil grin and fade to black because we all know what happens next. Rumor and innuendo is that there was supposed to be a Dracula origin story initially in Dracula's Daughter juxtaposed with the main story with Lugosi playing the Count and how he became a vampire. Speaking of Dracula's Daughter, that would be a film I'd love to see remade with this franchise along Phase 2 as I always felt it was underrated compared to the others.

[@Chuck_EL]

i also love his jordan peele "wolfman" approach especially when he spoke on the hypnotic scene in "get out" and the whole movie "us" is about a "evil dual personality" peele would be perfect for the wolfman and i love his van helsing apporach thats one thing thats always missing from other "redo the universal dark verse" he should be the glue that blends all the monsters together without actually having a monster team up

[@D.Z.A.-kp8lf]

The creature from the Black lagoon wasn't created in a lab. It is a centuries-old creature that has evaded man in order to survive and then discovered

[@Neyebureturns]

Yes, I commented the same.

[@elliottknifton8902]

My idea for how to make this Dracula stand out is that he loves the thrill of the hunt and will give his victims a fighting chance as it makes the chase more exciting for him

[@seandarbe2521]

Van Helsing should be an former military doctor that returned from a war too find terrible monsters.

[@LupineShadowOmega]

I'd base him on Lord Baltimore of the comic Baltimore. Maybe even the idea of him being a man out of time as well, having become immortal in a fashion after facing all the things he's faced.

[@Steve13C]

I'd actually make him a monster too, so focused and obsessed with monsters that he's an alien to humans.

[@TrashDaddy1]

Sean Darbe Or we make him a doctor who lost his family to monsters after returning to war Explains his fighting expertises and gives him an excuse to be so smart while giving him a reason to hunt the monsters

[@ricardoramos1059]

How about a modern day van helsing who was a retired Navy seal special ops with severe pstd and a history of psychiatric illness in his family and fights these monsters as a means to deal with his own inner demons hell a trilogy of films based off in him would be him dealing with the antagonist but slowly forshadowed van helsing a descent into madness to the point he starts believing he's the very thing he hunts or maybe the monsters are halucinations and in fact turns out van helsing is a serial killer with psychotic episodes and it ends with him fighting in a asylum or abandoned hospital, dies and the whole movie are random flashbacks or stories van helsing tells his doctors or the police when interrogated. It be a hell of a ride

[@douglasglenn4351]

@@ricardoramos1059 Van Helsing must be a scholar of the esoteric. Seems no one in modern horror has ever read a book.

[@bryanalexander7571]

One note: Creature wasn't created by pollution. He was an evolutionary off-shoot isolated in the Amazon Rainforest

[@batfankjb3211]

Universal should hire you because that was amazing

[@gatorcroc7212]

Honestly id get the guy who did the Witch (2015) for the Wolfman film. Id also throw a Gulliermo Del Toro in the mix and let him be a director/oversee of the whole Dark Universe.

[@Midnight1960]

Ah Robert eggers

[@Mextlatec]

Universal Studios ask Guillermo Del Toro to start the Dark Universe but he said no

[@AceTheSkylord]

Well he's doing Nosferatu, so close enough I guess?

[@joseangelhernandez5274]

I would make the creature from the black lagoon's design stay as close to the original as possible, it was such a cool design.

[@magne7961]

I think Del Toro would like to direct The Creature from the Black Lagoon

[@Alejandroigarabide]

As long as it's Guillermo and not Benicio.

[@CRUELLANDER]

He technically already did with The Shape of Water

[@shadowclaw7210]

@@CRUELLANDER I think he once said. Shale of water was his personal Fix Fic. Since as kid he thought Monster and Female Lead should’ve gotten together.

[@FNGLHR]

The fact you want to start this out with Creature made me scream YES! so loud. Seriously, give the Gill-Man his fucking due already!

[@ThomasK96]

I know it's not one of the original Universal monsters but I think the Headless Horseman from Sleepy Hollow would fit perfectly and it's in the public domain!

[@Deadpoolzilla]

anyone else watching this after the success of Invisible Man? it's like he called it!

[@Austin_Soares]

Mr. Multiverse! I'm a huge fan! :)

[@paramoosestudios]

I’d really love to see a Tim Burton Frankenstein movie. I’d love to see his take on that story.

[@Chuck_EL]

5:54 what he said is spot on Fun fact :For "An American Werewolf in London" The studio wanted Dan Ackyord and James Belushi as the leads but John Landis turned it down for the reason he mentioned at 5:56 he wanted basically unknown actors (in terms of the mainstream audience) so the focus stayed on the monster (aka "Four legged hound from hell")

[@bezoticallyyours83]

He already made Frankenweenie, so we know he'd do a good job.

[@runningwithscissors8612]

I love this channel so much Can you relaunch marvel animation afterwards please?

[@Brevincampbell12]

RunningWithScissors I know right

[@21swords76]

yes plz. and emphasis on the ANIMATION lmao

[@kennethkelsoe2688]

I would swap Phantom with Invisible Man And require at least 1 film to be b&w But your ideas are great!

[@anastasiavaganov8831]

“I think, in the right hands, you can turn the Phantom from a tragic, lowly, disfigured musician into a truly disturbing slasher” This has actually been done before! There are a couple slasher Phantom films, and the most popular is the 1989 Phantom of the Opera, starring Robert Englund himself (yes, Freddy Krueger) as the titular character. While certain parts of the movie’s plot are confusing (mainly the beginning and the end), I’ve heard quite a few people say that it didn’t stop them from loving the movie as a whole. Not to mention the music, which was absolutely stunning. Many have said that this was Robert Englund’s best acting. I think it would be cool if you took the things that the movie got right and expanded upon it.

[@bezoticallyyours83]

Wait really?

[@Neverbetred]

Your pick on Frankenstein is really good. But I would focus on Frankenstein's fiancé who sees Dr. Frankenstein becoming the monster and then there is the monster.

[@leftcoaster67]

Your Frankenstein idea is amazing. Very relevant for phantom terror of modern times.

[@jacksonreizer5622]

You’ve done Marvel and the monsters. Now do DC comics!

[@Chronic_Gainz]

Toby Flenderson the comics? They’re perfect rn. Lol The movies... are fair game though.

[@RobVanKam]

I have been telling friends for 20 years or more that we need a new Creature from the Black Lagoon (also why I consider the Swamp Thing movie a Halloween type movie because of the similarity). Starting with him is great and I love your pitch for the shared universe. I will have to really search for any better directors than you have chosen. So good job Proff T.

[@majingojira]

There's two things that stand out to me as mistakes with this pitch. One is a flat out research failure. The Creature ISN'T a mutant. He's a "Living Fossil". His whole gimmick is that he's a creature who has lived passed his 'era' to still stalk the earth. So that entire pitch kind of falls apart in that light. The other inconvenient light is the actual historical figure of Vlad Tepes. You probably could go down the road you describe just by recounting Vlad's actual history, just with some darker emphases. Like he would have some humanizing traits, but once he is made into a vampire (which, personally, I Hate-Hate-Hate the idea that Dracula was the 'first' vampire, because Mesopatamia exists and had many of the oldest monsters already written down). Everything else sounds pretty good, but I have some mythology quibbles with it if only because I know to much actual folklore that when I see people deviate from it in ways that are not as cool as the folklore, I get annoyed. I'm elitist and pedantic like that, I guess. Only other thing. The Unifying Force. I mean, 'Satan' being the source is all well and good until you get to the Mole People, the Metalunan Mutant, the killer robot from "The Phantom Creeps", the Deadly Mantis . . . not exactly a way to explain those with the devil very easily. The main way I'd do it is have some of these monsters, like the Creature, be an ancient attempt to destroy creation back in . . . the Permian. Because the Dinosaurs are overplayed, and 90% of all life dying out is a bigger threat. And it lets the Creature, Deadly Mantis, and a few others make more sense as 'prior tools of death and destruction'. I'd also be the person who would work in the OBSCURE universal monsters. Like Curucu, the Leach Woman, and Lamian serpent women. There's a lot that could be done with those as concepts (mostly because the sources of those critters didn't do much with them!). I think that's enough spec from me in a youtube comment.

[@majingojira]

Good job at living up to the stereotype that most KZbin commentators have the intellectual capacity of a rotten avocado. You mother must be so proud.

[@majingojira]

Jeremy Corbyn's Dank Manifesto -- I did not know this, thanks for sharing!

[@rbraunbeck96]

Not even mythology can be accurate to itself, there's tons of variations of mtyhs and legends that are all equally valid

[@Devils_Lair_Comics]

@ easy with that shit, bro. People on the spectrum can get really hurt by statements like that

[@364dragonrider]

As someone who has read the book, I can confirm that Stoker just used the name for dracula and nothing else, in fact he actually mentions invading turkey and failing at least once in the book when IRL Vlad Tepes was known for defending turkey from the ottomans. Iirc he’s actually considered a national hero over there.

[@Clamdirt]

I LOVE these ideas, and would absolutely be onboard with this monster universe. They pay respect to the originals while giving them a modern polish. Why is that such a hard concept for studios to grasp? 💀💀💀

[@douglasglenn4351]

Dr. Van Helsing and the Lost Battalion. A group of soldiers during WWI decides to take refuge in an old castle. A different way to kick off Dracula entering the films.

[@LupineShadowOmega]

He's not a fresh face, but how did Del Toro not make it into this? That guy would go all in with this. Also if we're doing Dracula again, less Nosferatu and more Alucard. A Dracula that is like some sort of Lovecraft horror. Our Drac needs to look like a 30 Days of Night Vampire turned up to eleven in his true form. Pale deadish skin, black soulless eyes, and a gaping maw of razor fangs. You said vermin, but it needs to be more alien than that. It needs to be like there is nothing actually human there and the humanity is an utter lie. A tool so that a horror can walk the earth with impunity. As for the violence, it needs to be like getting bitten by a shark. Blood everywhere, and he needs to luxuriate in it. And steal a bit more from other forms of mythologies. Dracula has glamour and mind tricks, he never looks human, he's the monster with soulless eyes and a gaping maw. Maybe that's why he has to hide his reflection. Tiamat is your ultimate villain. She's the primordial goddess of Babylon, a creation goddess that was driven to become the mother of all monsters. She can be sympathetic if you want, but if not, she's the embodiment of chaos.

[@LupineShadowOmega]

nic defendis, fair argument.

[@ricardoramos1059]

Del toro dora hace and eye for horror especially in terms of practical effects just look up pans labyrinth it's creepy as hell, also with the tiamat being the cause of dracula becoming a vampire I'd say it could be a lovectaftian eldrich horror who takes many guises one could be tiamat, Dracula somehow finds a way to make a deal with "Tiamat" and becomes a vampire

[@obscureentertainment8303]

I fundamentally disagree with everything you just said.

[@LupineShadowOmega]

@@obscureentertainment8303 Kudos, but don't necro post without adding to the discussion.

[@padraigpearse1551]

I agree with you apart from the phantom of the opera supernatural slasher thing. It's so far removed from the original there's no point calling it phantom of the opera anymore. If you remake a film which is from a book people expect to see that storyline if it's anything other than the classic story nobody will want to see it. However is it's a new ip then there's nothing to compare it to therefore it would do better

[@doyscherr]

Wouldn’t the Mummy be your big evil dark lord from the beginning of time?

[@MrCannibalMan]

Give this man a contract Universal. He's onto something. I love the whole push and pull between villain and hero based movies.

[@Chuck_EL]

Especially his dracula pitch Hollywood really needs to stop the "Sympathetic villian" yes for context, definitely show Dracula becomes a vampire, but at no point should he been seen as sympathetic he should be the most brutal monster out of all them honestly

[@Davisnacho]

I actually liked the Mummy, as a descent action flick. Mostly because I really enjoyed the villain. Though I am a bit pissed over the interpretation of Set. If they wanted a dark evil they should have used Apophis, the embodiment of Chaos. It would have been a much better fit. I really want this to succeed, because I am a big wolfman fan and lately werewolves have begun to take a back seat to zombies and vampires.

[@marioacosta-warren921]

I'm gonna say a few things that aren't really contradictions just thoughts I had before this video about how I'd do this before the video came out. 1. When I saw the trailer for "The Shape of Water" by Guillermo del Toro I caught what I thought were Creature from the black Lagoon references(found 1954, in South America) and I thought Guillermo del Toro was doing a better job of making a Dark Universe then Universal. He took a classic monster and did something completely different with it, ala told a Beauty and the Beast story. 2.Some critics really liked Dracula Untold and I imagined if they made a sequel it would have Wernor Herzog as Van Helsing because if you wanted to make Dracula a hero but then have him become evil, then have a creepy guy play Van Helsing.

[@CharcoalRabbit]

1. Creature from the Black Lagoon 9:08 2. Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde 13:21 3. Frankenstein 14:50 4. The Phantom of the Opera 17:46 5. Dracula 19:10 6. The Wolf Man 22:50 7. Helsing 24:15 Could it be Satan? 27:38 8. The Mummy 29:04 9. Invisible Man 31:08 10. Bride of Frankenstein 31:17

[@AndyPaxTheGameCat]

I love the idea of Frankenstein from the mob perspective

[@superby1]

I have to say, this was amazing. I love that you put thought not only into who would direct the movies, but the order they'd go in as not to burn out the audience with the big guns. I love your picks for Creature From the Black Lagoon and Phantom of the Opera, especially! I don't know if doing a follow up on this on where you'd go with the next phase of these films, but if you did...oh I can only imagine who you'd pick now that it's three years later and we have a whole slew of new directors and ideas to choose. This was an amazing video and I love your creativity. Keep up the amazing work!

[@namegoeshere5220]

You had me until Satan. Satan is a hard sell when you have in your franchise: A) Egyptian magic which predates Christian faith and makes the Satan thing weird when the mummy is invoking the powers of Set and Apep, and such. Sure you could argue they are basically the same ancient evil with a different name BUT B) This Island Earth. A lesser known but still very much Universal Monster movie, and an alien movie. It isn't the Wolfman or Dracula but the alien is still marketed and built as a Universal Monster. After the fears of Earth are explored, the fears of the outer unknown are next. And tying aliens to Satan is some Doctor Who shit that the average audience is going to mock and meme faster and a Tom Cruise yell. I love the idea, and there are lesser known movies by Universal to drawn inspiration from. Going the Satan route so early is...a bad idea. Is one man gonna kill Satan? What is this Supernatural? Though...if you substitute Satan for nameless ancient horror...and got me Del Toro and let him make a certain movie about madness and mountains he's wanted to do for ages... Okay. Back in, but I recommend a change. Satan is too grounded in Earth and human faith. Cthulu and the Ancient ones a dark magic, ancient, evil, and beyond Earth. Too bad The Thing From Another World isn't Universal...

[@FunnieApple]

I would imagine Satan and that ancient evil entity is one and the same, it can be explained that the entity is know by many different names and is worshipped or hated throughout many different religions, I think Satan would be just the most resonant title that audiences will understand, especially in the US.

[@wesstewart2677]

They could also introduce The Mole People as well considering that has real world counterpoints. They could also have Quasimodo be a heroic figure in the monsterverse. Also I’m pretty sure The Legend Of Sleepy Hollow/Headless Horseman is a public domain thing so maybe they could sweep that into the mix

[@andrewdowns3673]

You know, if you wanted to tie in supernatural monsters, god-like beings, and aliens, you could always use Lovecraft.

[@Chuck_EL]

​@@FunnieAppleAll you had to do was make a "evil" archetype that comes from every culture that's referred to by each said culture's namesake (aka Satan, Djinn, Dagon, Shatan, Sambolo, Shamago etc)

[@FunnieApple]

@@Chuck_EL That's exactly what I said, any ancient evil works, for the most popularity in the US, Satan would resonate the most.

[@minzuhagenda]

Relaunch The HasbroVerse! Transformers, GIJoe, etc. Then the Valiant-Verse, X-O Manowar, Ninjak, Rai, etc. then the ImageVerse, Spawn, The Darkness, Witchblade, Savage Dragon, etc. then just reboot Hellboy, I don't know any other Dark Horse comics that can easily be adapted.

[@joshuakusuma5953]

England is my GodChurch Sony's already getting ready for a Valiant Cinrmatic univerde. Starting with Harbinger, then Bloodshot, then a crossover called Harbinger Wars.

[@andten100]

an imageverse defeats the whole purpose of image comics

[@hitmanmonaghan6633]

Creature from the black lagoon end credits scene: last survivor is in a hospital bed. An older man comes into his room. “If you’re another cop, don’t bother. Detectives already took my statement.” “Oh I’m not law enforcement. I’m here to recruit you. Your skills that kept you alive are quite impressive. You think the gill man is the only creature? There’s a war coming.” “Well you’re too late. They like me for the murders.” “Oh, you are free to go. The police will cease the investigation.” “Who are you?!” “Vanhellsing.”

[@webslinger4733]

Can you relaunch DC or their cinematic universe next?

[@katestrello1971]

Can't Think Of a Name yes please 🍿

[@johnmorrissey9343]

Well... The FIRST reboot attempt was the working title CGI Frankenstein. It was to pick up right after the events of the classic original film. The Monster would be the iconic monster, with Karloff's face and voice digitized onto a huge Hulk-like body. Universal offered Karloff's estate a starring credit for Boris posthumously, along with a starring payday, but Sarah Karloff nixed it as it didn't coincide with her never ending crusade to have her dead dad declared a saint. The SECOND attempt was the Mummy films starring Brendan Fraser, with Arnold Vosloo as Imhotep. Great kick off BUT... Universal handed them the other monsters as well, and we got that God awful Van Helsing movie. That, Universal getting sidetracked and screwing the pooch on the Scorpion King, and the third Mummy film with Jet Li sunk the reboot. The THIRD attempt was 2010's the Wolf Man. I loved it. It did good box office in the States, but didn't in Asia. (Fuck the Chinese!) Initially, Universal was talking sequel and gave Frankenstein to Gulermo del Toro to develop (het, two guys naed Del Toro working on the same franchise) but Universal wanted a hulking Frankenstein to ultimately meet the Wolf Man in battle while Del Toro wanted a smaller, emo Monster portrayed by his friend Doug Jones. That never was settled as Del Toro abandoned the project to work on the Hobbit and had the Hellboy franchise yanked away as punishment. The FOURTH attempt was Dracula Untold, which sucked canal water compared to Coppola's Bram Stoker's Dracula, but was better than the craptastic Dracula in Van Helsing. It WAS going to be the first film in Dark Universe, but got the boot and we got the new Mummy (and any Family Guy fan can tell you why Tom Cruise is always running in his movies. So... we now have a FAT Russell Crow as a particularly unintimidating Mister Hyde, a dissected Miss Mummy, and Tom Cruise of Arabia. But OH IT GET'S BETTER! The Bride of Frankenstein is supposed to be a modern woman, kicking that man to the curb and getting her groove on. The Monster is a mall, very small, Spanish guy who will look particularly puny if they go ahead with their plans to have the Rock play the Wolf Man. Hopefully, the Creature will retain his classic look and they'll put Scarlet Johannsen in a white swimsuit... Johnny Depp? Really?

[@threeeleven3471]

I need an updated version of this after the invisible man

[@TheYodelingViking]

Personally I loved Dracula Untold a lot of it having to do with I have no problem seeing vampires as something other than scary monsters (even Dracula), but I wouldn't like a Universe where that's all he is. I'd personally just leave it as a 1 note showing he was a good man before and through the hudreds of years the power eventually consumed him and now he's nothing but a bloodthirsty monster with no remorse.

[@jimamos7984]

One idea: A side character seen helping Van helsing in the credits scenes. Have him in background hunting Wolfman (show him trying to contact Van Helsing before going in alone). Post credits, show he's been bitten, then disappear until post credit before Van helsing movie, where he contacts VH.

[@chrishess5526]

I really like everything you said. As for the Satan part or just demonic in general. Look it's EXTREMELY difficult to give Horror in general the shared universe treatment let alone THE classic monsters. But you sound like you could make it work so I am very impressed. The only change I would make is what if instead of Satan or something like that we can still go the demon route BUT we make OUR OWN DEMON. Get some big minds from the horror community and bring them together to create a NEW classic monster for this Generation. Something truly scary and horrifying that would be worthy to stand beside Dracula Frankenstein's Monster and the others.

[@chrishess5526]

@@phantomtheorist3388 Not bad. Not bad at all. Oh what if they included Cthulhu in this new universal monsters thing but even HE answered to Pan.

[@phantomtheorist3388]

Chris Hess true! I feel like the concept of this all connecting back to Pan or something similar is a chilling idea. Especially if it connects to psychology like with what happened to Mary. So all the psychological characters like The Invisible Man and Mr. Hyde would be connected or influenced by him.

[@BlackAdder1970]

The Wolfman was a great movie! Not sure why it was deadpan. It was classic, Gothic, and yet modern effects were good It was technically the first. So it's the 3rd reboot.

[@TheKelpie13]

Yo Dracula's Prince of darkness ... No King of monsters there. That's a much bigger boy.

[@jtanimeandnerd101]

please make a part 2 to this video I haven't see any other youtuber try to make a complete Dark Universe and since the original Dark Universe is dead I really want to at least see speculation of it's completion

[@wesleyphilips8464]

Absolutely no stupid misplaced comedy relief. Respect the source material and have the courage to go very dark. This is what the audience has come for!

[@bronsonkim6652]

I really love this new series Aaron! Also congrats on defeating October!

[@treversheffield7298]

God damnit why doesn't this happen. I want to live in a timeline where this is reality.

[@anthonymorales9869]

This is why you're my favorite channel. Well done!

[@pious83]

To me if you're looking to utilize Classic Monsters, you don't apply a modern mold. No "Shared Universe" gimmick, ignore present day and it's BS tropes. You start at the beginning, the dawn of monsters. The Creature or The Mummy, slowly progressing in time and civilization with each film, each monster. You would only be *building* towards the modern day, that's the end goal. The things the films would _share_ would be aesthetic, tone etc You make them Horror. Not Action-Horror. Use the monsters to explore the different facets of Horror itself. Body Horror (Frankenstein, Phantom) Psychological Horror (Invisible Man, Jekyll and Hyde) Gothic Horror (Dracula, Van Helsing) Supernatural Horror (Mummy, Wolf-Man) Natural Horror (Creature, Curucu) Science Fiction Horror (Incredible Shrinking Man, It Came From Outer Space) Disaster Horror (The Mad Ghoul, The Mole People) Slasher Horror (Horror Island, Quasimodo)

[@pious83]

+Jeremy Corbyn's Dank Manifesto Exactly. Not every series of films needs to imitate Marvel's Shared Universe gimmick.

[@not_briana]

Quite intresting concept you have cooked up. I would love to see this type of conneted universe on the big screen.

[@jtcob8486]

That's actually brilliant!

[@ricardoramos1059]

Quite the pitch using the monsters to explore the nuance as it were of the various types of horror cinema have implemented over the years. The interesting thing would be the timeline and the "endgame" of this universe if it had one it could just simply not have one or even a explicitly clear goal just vague clues sprinkled around and let's the viewer put the pieces to the puzzle

[@stevenf.corbeiliii6494]

That Frankenstein pitch is GENIUS

[@ghostwarrior3878]

I like your ideas for creature and dr. Jekyll and mr. Hyde so here's my curiosity has someone actually tried mailing these directors and reaching out to them and say hey we think you would be good for this project show him a copy of either the movie or a poster like either print a small picture off and say hey would you be up for doing something like this

[@ryanhinde3174]

Creature wasn't an experiment its a prehistoric Gillman

[@donamaru3630]

Frankenstein; or, The Modern Prometheus Directed by : Denis Villeneuve - Paul Dano as Victor Frankenstein - Mackenzie Davis as Elizabeth Lavenza / Bride of Frankenstein - Tómas Lemarquis as Victor Moritz - Javier Bardem as The Monster - Victor Garber as Dr. Henry Baron Frankenstein - Chang Chen as Igor Fritz - Colin Clive as Henry Frankenstein / Robert Downey Jr. as Tony Stark / Iron Man: - Mae Clarke as Elizabeth Lavenza / Gwyneth Paltrow as Virginia "Pepper" Potts: - John Boles as Victor Moritz / Terrence Howard as James "Rhodey" Rhodes: - Boris Karloff as The Monster / - Edward Van Sloan as Dr. Waldman / Jeff Bridges as Obadiah Stane: - Dwight Frye as Fritz / Shaun Toub as Ho Yinsen: With Ryan Gosling as Nick Fury aka Van Helsing someone that Frankenstein will look to for help get the monster and the bride that breaks free at the end of the film

[@rohnsparkman5466]

you my friend hit the nail on the head i agree with you about it all

[@RightHereAndNowDLife]

Btw this is why I love your channel Thorgi

[@ender7278]

Dracula Untold hardly counts as failed start. It was intended as its own thing, but when the shared universe thing was decided upon, executives decide to stick it in there at the last minute.

[@Horrorgang]

Great video man!!! Totally agree with everything! Keep up the great work

[@urbanurchin5930]

As you were describing your vision for a new, adapted Dracula - my first thought was the character played by Al Pachino in The Devils' Advocate. He starts out as mainly a low-key, reasonable executive - but you soon realize the evil that lurks just beneath the surface. Very sinister and scary.

[@maverickopinions3709]

You've obviously given this a lot of thought & careful consideration. And I gotta say...I love it! I wouldn't change a thing! Sign me up!

[@orangecrust8002]

ok hear me out: instead of satan, we do adaptations of lovecraft stories and the eldrich horrors like yogsothoth and cuthulu are making all the spooky shit happen.

[@shadowclaw7210]

I mean that pretty close to his idea. Its just Satan is archetype to explain idea. A big evil entity that can’t be taken down easily.

[@larryblevins8078]

Dracula untold is an Awesome Amazing movie I saw it on the silver screen 3 times and bought the DVD as soon as it came out.

[@gurb9738]

Thorgi, you should just get hired by Universal as creative director. This is too good

[@NewAgeGigolo]

GREAT and thoughtful video by a fan FOR THE FAN!

[@shadowedfate151]

I won't lie it kinda bothers me that Lawrence talbot the wolfman, the universal monster werewolf just got tossed aside and the wolfman pitch was essentially not a pitch and just was "give it to Jordan"

[@johnnynoirman]

Dump the current!---Go to the basics--- Study the 30's and 40's masters with a touch of Giallo but not to much gore.

[@michaelthethird702]

I love these ideas. Your ideas to relaunch Marvel were great as well. And I love the idea for this new show/series. I'm totally looking forward to see what you come up with next.

[@hitmanmonaghan6633]

Dr. Jeckle and MR. Hyde end credits scene. “You sure about this?” “Every tool belt needs a hammer.” Hellsing and the survivor from Creature approaches Hyde. “You both traveled all this way just to die.” One pulls .45 while Hellsing stops him. “We want to speak with your other. It could benefit you both.” Hyde turns back into the Doctor. “Alright, I’m listening…..”

[@marcuscristy5371]

dude u should be working for universal. seriously, u have made me think how this can work. i was very impressed by ur outlook on frankenstein, dracula, the phantom and the gillman. i would love to see this...

[@negavenom]

I think there should be short films about van helsing's ancestors encountering the monsters

[@JAGUART]

Some really wonderful ideas! Thank you!

[@PCJ95]

Can't wait for Part II next Halloween

[@robireagle6246]

“The shape of water” was a creature from The black lagoon movie

[@prometheusn0ir]

In my headcannon, 2019's What Lies Below was the definitive modern take on a somewhat The Creature-esque story (If you haven't seen it I dare you watch it without getting squimish).

[@TevyaSmolka]

Happy Halloween

[@anthonyramirez5391]

I always love your relaunch ideas especially this one I love the monsters and this reminded me why and what Hollywood has been doing wrong and that they need to do to fix it and rival other cinematic universes

[@eon001]

I was more excited for an iFrankenstein/ underworld shared universe. (Yes that was nearly a thing. Look it up)

[@Alejandroigarabide]

Universal, get Professor Thorgi and James Rolfe and just follow wathever they pitch, and your universe will be in good hands.

[@junglehero1274]

I loved your Marvel Restructuring Video, so having an entire series like Pitching in sounds fantastic to me. How about you do one with your idea for how to do the DCEU?

[@liamwadden2086]

Warren Ellis also wrote the Extremis run on Iron Man, which is great, so added bonus there

[@justyouraveragegeek548]

I would say having your mob leader being a lose origin for The helsing family would make a interesting choice

[@BBBHuey]

Another monster that could be introduced in a Universal Monster-verse re-launch, would be the Mad Ghoul from the movie of the same name from 1943. Since it's Mayan gas that's used to create the Mad Ghoul, it could also perhaps serve as a tie-in with the Creature From the Black Lagoon. And maybe even serve as a sort of precursor to Romero's Night of the Living Dead franchise.

[@lightninglord5674]

Brilliant.... I hope you send this video to Universal. Damn you gave me hope for this concept.

[@michaelbriefs9764]

Very cool ideas! Thank you!

[@Dehslash9]

The only way The Dark Universe could work again is if Guillermo Del Toro were put in charge of the whole thing with Sam Raimi, James Wan, and Jason Blum as co directors/producers/supervisors.

[@willlyon7129]

I had some great exceptions for this franchise, if I had it my way I would use the monsters; Frankenstein's monster, The Phantom of the Opera, The Gillman, The Wolfman, Van Helsing, and The Invisible Man as team of anti heroes that would take down the big bads such as Dracula and the Mummy. It would have themes of acceptances and some steampunk in the 19th century.

[@bezoticallyyours83]

Kinda like League of Extraordinary Gentlemen?

[@donamaru3630]

You have to drop two movies in one year that’s how you do it and think like this All Directed by : Denis Villeneuve Ironman (rich creator) Frankenstein Paul Dano as Frankenstein Javier Bardem as The Monster Hulk (Beast/ Transformer) Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde Jake Gyllenhaal as Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde Captain America (man outta time) Vampire Oscar Isaac as Dracula Thor (mythological man) Mummy Babs Olusanmokun as The Mummy And what holds it all together is Nick Fury aka Thanos aka Van Helsing by Ryan Gosling Plus+ Black Widow (duh) Bride of Frankenstein

[@paulfitzpatrick9909]

Definitely, they didn’t turn Dracula into a superhero. They just tell them into a hero, different stuff different things.

[@AdultMongoose]

So wait in Thorgi's version of Dracula is Dio from JJBA pt.1 Phantom Blood

[@DuncanJarvis]

I honestly think Dracula and Dr. Frankenstein should be the main villains and are going around getting the monsters to join their army to take over the world and Van Helsing and the other heroes from movies like the Mummy, the Wolf man and etc

[@ghostpinguin]

The Darkness is an Demonic Monster from the begining of Time.

[@grantlockley7926]

20:07 Thank you for using the Shape shifting monster that turned into Classic Movie Monsters from that episode of Supernatural

[@princebloodgrave8097]

Add in Spring Heeled Jack, and maybe throw in a plague doctor, and scarecrow. 😊I've always wanted to see Universal do movies on them.

[@vonchaney9216]

I checked. Nobody realized the music bed is Friday the 13th Part III disco theme. Nice choice!

[@Neyebureturns]

It’s a interesting proposal, but the creature from the black lagoon in the movie they said it is like the missing link, between fish and mammals.

[@SerpenThrope]

My vote is make a Dracula movie and a Frankenstein movie to set up the complete families. Dracula, Zaleska, Alucard, Victor/Henry Frankenstein, Wolf Frankenstein, and Ludwig Frankenstein. At that point you have six major characters with their own independent motivations set up to use in future films.

[@thelongestjohn]

11:56 no he wasn't. It's been stated several times in the series that the creature is a living fossil from a bygone era who simpler evolved that way.