The biggest mistake was the tone. These are monsters, not superheroes. A modern reinterpretation of the classic films from the '30s and '40s with the exact tone and atmosphere that those films had has so much potential for something fresh.
@Bulletsandblockbusters10 ай бұрын
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@Vor567tez10 ай бұрын
Yes. As a horror lover I was interested in the idea. I think Universal should again give it a try ;with of course learning from past mistakes. When superhero gener hasn't stopped making a Batman and Spiderman movie for 100th of time then why should something that so rarely seen be given up? Universal also has money and audience. So no problem in there.
@bezoticallyyours8310 ай бұрын
I agree with that.
@garavin10 ай бұрын
Yeah, probably the best they could have hoped for was to make them all antiheroes of one sort or another. But swapping out the horror for just another version of the MCU or DCU was a doomed venture. Lightning doesn't strike thrice.
@rybackfrankie867910 ай бұрын
The idea was good but they should have make it more like Blade or Underworld and less like Marvel movies.
@croneycousteau10 ай бұрын
Around 2016-2017, I was an Uber driver in La, when I picked up this frazzled client who was on a conference call, explaining how “the film isn’t working”, something about how the director was green, and how “he (or) Tom is running the show now”, causing lots of turmoil on set, especially with the director. Years later, I think back and I can’t help but wonder if they were discussing the doomed production of The Mummy.
@Bulletsandblockbusters10 ай бұрын
Must’ve been! Thnx for sharing. Wild story.
@Chuck_EL10 ай бұрын
@@Bulletsandblockbusters The biggest issue was that they hired Popcorn action writers and producers to helm the dark universe As you said , they put known a listers as the monsters instead of lesser known actors and actresses in them roles and you're right making the monsters superheroes was a bad idea too And the people they got to helm the dark universe aren't really considered good ones in fact they both have been bashed by critics and movie goers for alot of the films they wrote and produced So why would Universal Studios decided to make them helm a horror dark universe? And then "Nick Fury" of any dark universe should of been Abraham Van Helsing , not making horror monsters "sympathetic" you already have the humans who have been killed by these monsters as sympathetic characters and Van Helsing being the protagonists It should of been known famous Indy horror filmmakers to helm the dark universe franchise
@4Everlast10 ай бұрын
Veryyyyy likely.
@4Everlast10 ай бұрын
@@Chuck_EL Popcorn action writers ain't the problem. BAD writers are a problem, Kurtzman, Goyer and such. A good writer will do his research and will NOT write a bad script no matter how new he is to the material. And yes, unknown and lesser known actors would cut the cost for the studios by 50% at least. Enough with the glorification of a handful of people.
@RobVespa10 ай бұрын
@@Chuck_EL - This is not true. Content is king. The concept, let alone the sole released project, shouldn't have been greenlit without a complete plan and, in the case of the film, script (that had been wholly polished and was known to be golden).
@Taranchule10 ай бұрын
The Dark Universe was always a heartbreaker for me, both for the Pseudo-Superhero direction they took and because it all fell apart so quickly. I often daydream about what might have been. If I had my way, these movies would be dark, gothic and moody. Not gore or jumpscares, but a slowly building dread. The throughline would be Van Helsing researching the cause of all these monster manifesting all of a sudden (Chaos, for lack of a better name). The finale would haven been Monster Squad for adults, with all the monsters returning and Chaos manifesting in the flesh. Van Helsing would have to gather the protagonists of the other films to deal with this final threat. Cheesy idea, I know, but it appeals to me.
@bezoticallyyours8310 ай бұрын
Yeah but Talbot got killed in the remake. So there's no kicking him in the nards. 🤭
@DeadlyAlienInvader10 ай бұрын
Would you still keep the actress for the Mummy role? I thought she had potential and wanted to see more of her……………atleast to my weird taste.
@Taranchule10 ай бұрын
@@DeadlyAlienInvader Eh, I can take her or leave her if I'm honest.
@unrepentantoffender18810 ай бұрын
That is the Avengers 1 plot, give or take.
@Taranchule10 ай бұрын
@@unrepentantoffender188 I guess it kinda is. There's a reason I'm not a Hollywood script writer 😂
@Psychoshell10 ай бұрын
The real problem the the mummy 2017 failed was that they gave Tom cruise too much control
@Bulletsandblockbusters10 ай бұрын
Yup!
@roberttreacy827110 ай бұрын
The real monster on set was Tom Cruise’s ego.
@antjack619210 ай бұрын
The real problem the mummy 2017 failed was they cast Tom cruise too being with
@colonelhstinkmeaner854710 ай бұрын
He killed universal dark😂😂😂
@dexine472310 ай бұрын
I think they also tried to do too much. If they'd focused on the mummy story and cut out a lot of the Russell Crowe/organization part, it might have worked better. It just felt like they were throwing in all these details and extra characters, which should have been introduced slowly, in separate films - like the MCU did with Nick Fury in post-credit scenes. Mind you, I do agree that Cruise was a mistake. It might have done better with someone younger, more believable as a romantic partner for the younger female lead or the mummy herself, and less 'fixed' in style.
@malcolmparker837610 ай бұрын
This just reinforces what I have always believed: 1.) The MCU is both one of the BEST and WORST things to happen to cinema, creatively. 2.) A-listers have too much creative control sometimes, and writers, directors, and producers should be able to do what they are paid to do and have been brought on for: to make a successful film. 3.) Studios are out of touch, and more creative minds need to be a part of the producing/studio process, like how James Gunn (a creative) is co-CEO with Peter Safran (an experienced producer) for balance or even John Lasseter (who was an actual animator) back in the day, heading Pixar.
@snoweverywhere10 ай бұрын
Your third point reminded me of a quote I read from Christopher Nolan earlier this week. He essentially said Taylor Swift's concert movie is going to be a shock to a lot of Hollywood executives that an outsider could make so much money at the boxoffice. The part that stood out to me was that Nolan pointed out Hollywood execs being shocked. That's a key piece of information he felt the need to point out.
@4Everlast10 ай бұрын
I agree 100%. You can cut the cost of these movies by 50% and more, if you get lesser known and unknown actors on board, god knows writers and directors ain't payed nearly as much as some of them are worth, meanwhile you got your Kurtzman's and Goyer's who will F up anything they touch, twist and pervert it, not even understanding they did it.
@snoweverywhere10 ай бұрын
@4Everlast new and unknown talent is so important for so many reasons in front of and behind the camera. If for no other reason, than just to keep some people from getting comfortable in their patterns. I think some directors are at a point where their name on something is a detriment as much as a positive because half the audience feels like they're getting something they've already had before.
@dragonrings1410 ай бұрын
I would love to be wrong but I think DC giving James Gunn the reins as CEO is a bad idea. Creative people should not be in charge. Creative types need to have someone there to edit their work. The issue with modern studios is they edit too much, taking away the creativity that makes a movie shine. Really that is what makes a movie brilliant. The balance. But given the lunacy of James Gunn's announced DC slate, it is clear people are not stopping him and that will probably result in some truly bad movies.
@4Everlast10 ай бұрын
@@dragonrings14 I do agree, but, there are always exceptions. We'll see, I'm sure the only thing they'll keep him in check with is the budget and the profit.
@Omar-wq9dz10 ай бұрын
Apparently, an earlier script for The Mummy was really good, where the protagonist was a Navy Seal with a black ops team and the Mummy was buried in Iraq instead of Egypt
@toughluck801210 ай бұрын
I would love to see that movie. So much potential. Hopefully one day we get to see it
@a_spooky_j10 ай бұрын
Are there mummies in Iraq?
@balthazarasquith10 ай бұрын
I think they should have one set in the 1930s with a manly dude with a woman who is a bookworm and kicks arse with her comic relief brother. I the sequels they could cast an ex wwe wrestler lol
@yahnatanlevi689410 ай бұрын
Yes do your research
@reeyees5010 ай бұрын
Offesive as hell man
@bren7040310 ай бұрын
I really liked Dracula untold. Luke evans and Charles Dance was so good in that!
@darrylskylar87575 ай бұрын
I agree, “Dracula Untold” was really good!
@x340x4 ай бұрын
agree. Van Helsing with Hugh Jackman was pretty great as well imho
@ronankermit16 күн бұрын
It definitely had potential, and there were some really cool moments. I just wish it was maybe 30 minutes longer, but that's coming from a massive fan of the historical Dracula.
@derworfnet10 ай бұрын
Personally, I would have preferred a number of Stand-alone Films that present, at most, *hints* that they are set in a shared Universe. Perhaps a post-credits-scene here and there. If audiences had reacted positively to that, they could have went ahead with their Dark Universe plan *eventually.* Because, in all fairness, it is a cool idea. Ah, and I think there should have been a film centered around Crowes' Jeckyll/Hyde because, without a doubt, he was the best thing about the 2017-Mummy and I would have loved to see more of him.
@dexine472310 ай бұрын
He definitely needed his own film - his appearance in the Mummy just cluttered it up and broke up the main storyline. Trying to do too much, too soon, in one film, instead of telling a coherent story.
@muntu122110 ай бұрын
One thing Marvel did really well was loosely tie these stories together with the Tesseract. Pretty much all early Avengers characters had some relationship to it, even if it looked like they didn't, and they used stylistic effects to make it clear. The Arc Reactor and gamma research were based on it, for example. And you can see that in the big explosion at the end of Avengers looking like the sky beam in Captain America. They could've used some kind of immortality elixir, or at least the search for it, to tie these movies together since almost all of them have to do with gaining a stronger, longer lived body.
@Lawrence_Talbot9 ай бұрын
Agreed. I’m a big horror buff and was pretty excited that all these monsters were getting a reboot/have a chance to have modern effects and gore. It could’ve been an awesome horror franchise and could’ve allowed for some cross overs like Universal did in the 40s and 50s. But the idea of a superhero team is just silly. Makes more sense if they all were portrayed as a team of monsters/super villains albeit with tragic origins. Although now you’d have heroes banding together take down all your stars. Also it kind of just reminds me too much of league of extraordinary gentlemen. I’d still kill for some solid rebooting where the monsters could shine in the lime light again, with much stronger horror tones
@ThePrinceofHisOwnKingdom9 ай бұрын
My cousin had a pitch for the Dark Universe similar to that. His Mummy movie would've been set during late 1910s-1920s between Egypt and England. Atmospheric and slowburner. His Invisible Man movie would've set during 1950s Cold War, combining noir and horror, but heavier on the former. This one would borrow some convetions from movies during that period, also being black and white. I forgot his pitch on the other monsters though. But the monsters never get to meet. They're only related by worldbuilding, not by plot.
@richardjohnson954310 ай бұрын
Marvel built their connected universe from the ground up, with a solid foundation. These other guys just tried to create the whole thing at once with nothing holding it together. I actually liked The Mummy, and I appreciated the fact that nothing in it contradicts the Brendan Frasier movies. In fact, there's an Easter egg suggesting that Cruise's film takes place in the same universe
@NoahDaArk10 ай бұрын
Yeah, what made the MCU work was how willing Marvel was to building up the story & world over multiple movies, setting things up in the long run & giving fans the opportunity to speculate about what was coming next
@MrLachapell8 ай бұрын
"Solid foundation " lol
@GRANOLA778 ай бұрын
What was the Easter egg?
@randyramirez44085 ай бұрын
@@NoahDaArk honestly it's just weird seeing it fall apart in its current: two flops, four razzie award nominations, two movies with bad RT scores, five of them having a B cinemascore (which is not something you do not want to have for a blockbuster, especially a super hero one) all post phase 3
@JamesHowlett-qy3yq14 күн бұрын
Well,earlier Marvel movies were very loosely connected. They just focused more on stories
@pepperpeterpiperpickled980510 ай бұрын
They should have given blumhouse the reigns for the entire 'dark universe', I'd love to see their take on the classic monsters.
@Bulletsandblockbusters10 ай бұрын
Agreed. Maybe they still will.
@scottblanco599110 ай бұрын
That would be great, they’d build it right
@pepperpeterpiperpickled980510 ай бұрын
@@scottblanco5991 they'd probably make dr frankenstein a longevity guru used by the elites. he'd be a mix between elizabeth bathory, bryan johnson (the fella who spends 2 million per year to reverse aging) and jeffrey epstein. the creepy thing would be that the elites use him but no one knows (like jeffrey epsteins mosad blackmail operation) it's be like 'hostel' meets 'eyes wide shut' meets 'the master' meets 'you were never really here'
@leesimmons545310 ай бұрын
No. Just no. Look at what they did to Michael Myers.
@4Everlast10 ай бұрын
Speaking of it. Didn't MCU release a werewolf movie recently, called Werewolf by night (2022.) ? It's got quite a high grade on all platforms.
@Malum0910 ай бұрын
The Development Post-Mummy 2017 related to Universal Monsters has been so interesting: 1. Guillermo del Toro released The Shape of Water later that same year and it was a huge hit, supposedly its based on an idea Universal rejected for a Creature of the Black Lagoon remake; in fact he’s making his own version of Frankenstein for Netflix right now. 2. Maggie Gyllenhaal is also working on her own adaptation of The Bride of Frankenstein for Warner Bros.
@Josh935827 ай бұрын
I always though that Guillermo del Toro or Tim Burton should have been the ones in charge of the Dark Universe
@Malum097 ай бұрын
@@Josh93582 I think del Toro would have been perfect to run the whole Boat, Direct one and Write and Produce the others with people of his choice in the Directing chair.
@Josh935827 ай бұрын
@@Malum09 Yeah, completely agree
@MarshalltheWarlock10 ай бұрын
The Last Voyage of Demeter is the Dracula I want for a Dark Universe. I want horror. Not romance. Not heroics. Not comedy. I want to watch monsters.
@Bulletsandblockbusters10 ай бұрын
Same here
@Chuck_EL10 ай бұрын
@AgentGodzillaRP It has the same issue as Blue Beetle got , two great films but due to both Studios being tone deaf and trying to cash in on the MCU craze they lost that trust and people assume they're still trying to milk the "cinematic phrase" They keep sending mixed signals to us and won't give direct answers so now audiences won't see any films on the universal monsters or any dcu films It's gonna take a few years to get that trust back I said a while ago both studios need to butt out of let great horror and sci-fi minds take the helm
@ethandoyle497810 ай бұрын
I was thinking the same thing , I personally enjoyed the last voyage of the Demeter and I think it along with Dracula untold and the wolf man (2011) would’ve been a great kick off to the dark universe.
@bezoticallyyours8310 ай бұрын
👏
@kaponosucks10 ай бұрын
I was gonna go watch that movie in theaters but it was pulled from theaters so quick
@agm542410 ай бұрын
If anyone's interested in a real "dark universe" series then I highly recommend the series Penny Dreadful. A great gothic series with unique and close to faithfull adaptations of most of the classic Universal monsters. Also I'm referring to the original series with Eva Green as the main character not the "city of angels" reebot; just stay away from that one.
@jedodedo10 ай бұрын
I am SAD and ANGRY when they cancelled the series
@rodneyhayban439810 ай бұрын
Do u know anymore
@AGothNamedWednessday10 ай бұрын
Oh man, I loved so much of Penny Dreadful; the first season was immaculate, and I loved the tone and all the actors. Unfortunately I felt that it really started falling apart in the last half of season 2 and I remember really disliking season 3. I think I'll rewatch it eventually sometime. I had the same issue with Hemlock Grove which I felt very similar about, that show feels very similar in tone, acting, and horror, but couldn't stick the landing. (That being said, I highly agree that Penny Dreadful is a fantastic "dark universe" and it's something I wish we had gotten from universal)
@MrYourtoaster10 ай бұрын
For anyone who’s a fan of TTRPGs like Dungeons & Dragons and wants a “Dark Universe” game more focused on being a monster in modern day I recommend Chronicles of Darkness and it’s gamelines. A modern day horror game where supernatural creatures like Vampires, Werewolves, Mages, Frankensteins, Changelings, monster hunters, geists, mummies, robotic demons, nightmare beasts, mutants and several other monsters hide in the shadows trying to survive a dark supernatural world. Every monster I listed has their own dedicated game and there’s plenty of opportunities for crossovers. If you wanna play an ancient powerful mummy waking up to serve a god, or a Frankenstein creature using its powers to become human this is the series for you.
@A_r7810 ай бұрын
Penny dreadful was bad They made the zoot suit a bunch of gay Mexicans Whole lot of unnecessary gayness Like Why
@jaymz_rg100310 ай бұрын
If it was me running this universe, I'd just re-tell the stories with today's actors (I love Angelina Jolie as Bride of Frankenstein, by the way) and updated CGI. I'd even go as far as to make standalone movies first like they did in the '30s and '40s and then do the first crossover of Frankenstein Meets The Wolfman. I would also focus on the psychological aspect of the movies which is what these movies are known for and not try to make them into damn superhero movies. I love Marvel and DC movies, but these classic monsters need to be something different.
@Bulletsandblockbusters10 ай бұрын
You def have the right idea
@roderick816710 ай бұрын
it crazy that Universal has been trying and failing to launch a monster cinematic universe by having all their monsters meet up when they already accomplished this with Van Helsing almost 20 years ago , I mean you got Dracula, The Wolfman ( two Wolfmen) , Frankenstein's monster , Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde and Dracula Brides all in this one movie, the only ones missing from this movie was Frankenstein's bride, The Invisible Man , The Mummy and the Creature from the Black Lagoon so if they managed to somehow fit these monsters in this movie or put them in a sequel that never happened then they would have had their cinematic universe decades ago
@scoliosis94788 ай бұрын
Yea I think the best version of a dark universe would be a series of films with Hugh Jackman’s Van Helsing facing off against one of the iconic monsters in each film
@mrhmd830810 ай бұрын
The Wolfman (2010) was the BEST of these films. I liked how they recaptured the tone. You have to go back to that Victorian age.
@Tinfintytin2 ай бұрын
Yeah, calling it abysmal was a horrible take.
@sethstrattan73805 күн бұрын
I agree. I love that movie a lot.
@sneakykamon10 ай бұрын
I remember, and to my surprise, really wanting to see Johnny Depp’s version of The Invisible Man. That was the only casting choice that intrigued me the most for some reason.
@Bulletsandblockbusters10 ай бұрын
Same here
@pepperpeterpiperpickled980510 ай бұрын
Im glad they went the way they did and didnt have an A-list celeb star as the invisible man, it would have gotten the same treatment as the mummy and had a very visible johnny depp for 90 minutes.
@bezoticallyyours8310 ай бұрын
Depp is a versatile actor, I could see him in several roles.
@ScooterinAB10 ай бұрын
We could see him covered in peanut butter at some point to reveal his form. :P Oh Depp. You're kind of a weirdo sometimes.
@Omar-wq9dz10 ай бұрын
The main problem with The Mummy, though there's many problems with it, was too much setting up the future where the story was put on hold to show easter eggs like Creature From The Black Lagoon's hand in a jar and the scene where Russell Crowe turns into Mr. Hyde
@Bulletsandblockbusters10 ай бұрын
Agreed. As soon as you start focusing on setting up a universe rather than just making a great movie, you’re screwed.
@ivanraphaelarosa236910 ай бұрын
@@BulletsandblockbustersSame could be applied to the TASMverse after TASM 2.
@Bulletsandblockbusters10 ай бұрын
💯
@Xinathor10 ай бұрын
@Bulletsandblockbusters I think what really worked with the original iron man and later phase one movies they primarily remained stand alone until the very end of the film
@Bulletsandblockbusters10 ай бұрын
Agreed!
@MistarZtv10 ай бұрын
man a gothic dark romance style bride of frankenstein with jolie would've been such a gorgeous film.
@jennifern240310 күн бұрын
same, i’m a sucker for gothic romance
@TridentLandStudios10 ай бұрын
Such a shame this never happened. One of the most anticipated projects I was interested in. Dracula Untold was a beautiful film that to me was building something so much bigger. Crowe's Jekyll/Hyde was a great tease of things to come. So we can essential blame Cruise for micromanaging this as a failure.
@akilbrazier142110 ай бұрын
Yea if they were smart they would’ve made Dracula Untold the first official entry of the Dark Universe and built off of that.
@TridentLandStudios10 ай бұрын
Big Facts!! Loved that film
@jon_ovo365310 ай бұрын
@@TridentLandStudiosit’s literally the best of the films and my personal favorite vampire film
@cable715210 ай бұрын
I too am in the Dracula Untold fan club, there's not many of us out there.
@shawnbrown272610 ай бұрын
loved Dracula Untold. It is an awesome flick
@octogigas10 ай бұрын
The idea of Dr. Jekyll creating a monster-hunting agency is legitimately awesome. And even though The Mummy wasn't great, I didn't think it was THAT bad and was at least curious about where they were going with it. Since Bride of Frankenstein was already so far into pre-production that sets were being built, I think they should've pushed ahead with that one, let it play out and see if there was any potential for upward growth, before panicking and pulling the plug.
@Not_Always9 ай бұрын
they were in essence trying to make the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, or Hellboy, but with movie monsters.
@octogigas9 ай бұрын
@@Not_Always Yeah. And that sounds badass.
@stepanovicboro10 ай бұрын
Man i really liked dracula untold and im pretty annoyed they didnt do a sequel. It wouldnt even had to be dark universe sequel, just a luke evans dracula movie 😕
@jordanwhyte334710 ай бұрын
Have they not just announced a sequel?
@ryeguy747110 ай бұрын
I thought Dracula Untold was surprisingly GOOD and the changed ending worked better for the movie, not just for a shared universe.
@a_spooky_j10 ай бұрын
I really wanted the Dark Universe to be a thing. However, I’m now willing to accept modern day interpretations of the classic monsters as standalone films such as Invisible Man. They talked about an Invisible Woman sequel and there was talk about a Wolfman movie alá Nightcrawler. I’d be happy with any of those.
@cofilmrat10 ай бұрын
Anytime I hear someone call 2010's Wolfman "abysmal" or "awful" I'm pretty sure they didn't watch it. The Extended/Directors cut of that movie is great.
@Bulletsandblockbusters10 ай бұрын
Maybe I’ll give the directors cut a chance. Was also taking into consideration its notoriously troubled production
@codygill653510 ай бұрын
Exactly! I refuse to watch the theatrical cut but the extended cut is one of my favorite films
@jonathancampbell523110 ай бұрын
"Dark Universe" was one of those franchises where as soon as I heard the concept and saw the publicity photo I though, "this gonna flop". Who the heck wanted to see a superhero horror monster franchise, and what possible direction could it have taken? Weird how studios that want to replicate the MCU missed the part where most of the main actors were either relative unknowns or hadn't been big names in a long time, as well.
@harrycake940710 ай бұрын
I would've love too watch it. They have so much fun back story to flesh out.
@BigDaddyDiecast8 ай бұрын
Lest we forget films like League of extraordinary gentlemen, perhaps Hellboy? I definitely would love to see a more adult version or the monster squad, spread over a few films respectfully.
@jonathancampbell52318 ай бұрын
@@BigDaddyDiecast The Dark Universe was different from either of them. The problem was a) They wanted an all-star, A-list cast (which would have been VERY expensive in the long term and actually distract from the main story), and b). they wanted the monster characters to be the stars and for said monsters to be reimagined as anti-heroes. A more sensible approach would have been to just remake the old Universal horror movies with a smaller budget and lesser known cast and just bank on the name recognition and story appeal to grab audience attention, and worry about crossovers later. Making Dracula, The Mummy and Dr Jekyll into superheroes was just a misunderstanding of what they had, and wanting big stars just reflected a lack of faith in their own projects from the start.
@DrewTrox10 ай бұрын
I think for the Dark Universe to work you need to make the monsters the leads, but don't make them anti-heroes. They are monsters that team up in order to survive the hunters like Van Helsing. What's that line? A well written villain is the hero of their own story. Just do that. Don't make them sympathetic, or try to justify their actions. This is how you shake up the horror world. Don't make the final girl the lead, it's the killer. Like, the last Invisible Man was well done, but imagine it from his persective.
@Bulletsandblockbusters10 ай бұрын
Agreed!
@DrewTrox10 ай бұрын
@@Bulletsandblockbusters I think we are getting close to this with stuff like the Chucky series, M3gan, Terrifier, Saw. The badguys are starting to take the lead.
@Bulletsandblockbusters10 ай бұрын
I love it
@bezoticallyyours8310 ай бұрын
Frankenstein has always garnered some sympathy from audiences. The original Mummy was also somewhat sympathetic. He really just wanted the love of his life back. Unfortunately he wanted to do it by screwed up means. The Gill Man was literally just a creature trying to defend its territory.
@Bullboy_Adventures10 ай бұрын
Why does everyone like the invisible man? They had to make the characters ridiculously stupid so the plot could move forward, which imo is one of the cardinal sins of writing
@patcasey551510 ай бұрын
Charles Band's Full Moon Pictures was crossing over their original characters in several films in the 90s. The golden age of home video 👍
@IronWolf27710 ай бұрын
Cinematic Universes are fine, just don't ask me to watch a bunch of TV Shows as Homework. Thats why Marvel is failing now.
@PlaystationNinja-nj8is10 ай бұрын
Sofia Boutella is my favorite mummy. She was perfectly cast. But the entire Dark Universe was undone by Tom Cruise 's ego.
@Blades-wi4fk10 ай бұрын
Agreed 100%, I would have rather seen her as the star and main focus of the movie, not Cruise
@DemeterTelphousia-Erinyes10 ай бұрын
Agreed!
@darinlunderman806310 ай бұрын
Interestingly, the film's story can actually be seen as an allegory for Sofia Boutella trying to lead a Hollywood film, only to be undercut & overwhelmed by the veteran, big name actor in Tom Cruise and be regulated back to being a supporting actor in the end. It's truly a "Dark Universe" in Hollywood when the establishment can just shut down newer & smaller names in the industry, all because they have the power to do so.
@an-animal-lover10 ай бұрын
@@darinlunderman8063yeah, I haven't seen her in any leading roles. A shame if you ask me
@handphone778 ай бұрын
The problem with The Mummy was Tom Cruise trying to turn it into a Mission Impossible spin-off and tuning the role into Ethan Hurt to suit him. His character isn't supposed to be the main focus.
@TheBS100010 ай бұрын
I would rather rewatch Penny Dreadful than see Universal's Dark Universe come to fruition. PD did a great job combining elements of Dracula, Frankenstein, Bride of Frankenstein, The Wolfman and even The Picture of Dorian Gray. The only negative thing I have say about the show is its truncated final season ended right after introducing the Dr Jekyll character and before we got to see another character's trip to Egypt, which presumably would have introduced elements of The Mummy into the series. The show may have had a definitive ending, but it felt premature and I can only speculate as to why it ended when it did.
@elphbwckd21210 ай бұрын
Dracula: Untold is actually surprisingly good. I know it got some bad reviews when it first came out, but I've watched it several times now and it's actually a really good movie. If only they had planned better. I would love to see more of Luke Evans' Dracula. He's very compelling when given the chance through writing
@davidjames57910 ай бұрын
It's funny to realise that The Mummy movies were basically MCU films before MCU. If only they could have kept it going.
@MonsterIslandBuddies10 ай бұрын
I love this channel, it's going to be huge one day. Keep up the great work
@Bulletsandblockbusters10 ай бұрын
Thank you. I appreciate that!
@Sharks69610 ай бұрын
Eyyyy mib
@rachelknightonline10 ай бұрын
What I still don’t understand is why not just make Tom Cruise a descendent of Van Helsing? Doing that cuts all the unnecessary work and streamlines it all. Say that Cruises character had spent his early life preparing for and getting ready for an invasion of the supernatural into our world, but he never believed in any of the things he was trained to do. He’s a sceptic, and after being the latest in generations of so called monster hunters not hunting or even fighting any monsters, he gave up on his “mission” years ago and is now just using his wealth and training to explore the world. He’s not a clear cut hero, he can be selfish, older even, someone who never settled down to have a family; because why would he need or even want to? He feels like a man born for a purpose that would never come to fruition and so he just does his own thing. If you’re so set on having a superhero figure in the universe, say he’s been like Batman but out of boredom. He wants to care, but doesn’t really know how to. His latest exploits with a gang of grave robbers and tomb raiders has lead him to Egypt where he sees a doomsday cult is abducting people to sacrifice in order to resurrect a mummy. During this Cruises character doesn’t know if what they’re doing will even work, but can’t just let them keep doing this to people. Eventually this mummy is resurrected and he has to use his knowledge of mummy’s and the supernatural to bury her in her tomb before she escapes the pyramid. During the movie he finds a sense of purpose and belief that these monsters are real and they mean serious business if not kept in check. Or more interestingly, at the end of the movie after the mummy is defeated we see that him neglecting his responsibilities for so long has allowed an ancient enemy to slowly regain his strength and is looking to return and now it is up to Cruises Van Helsing character to set the world right before this monster can become unstoppable. This monster is your Thanos of the universe, *DRACULA*
@moonbeans704210 ай бұрын
Three ways the dark universe could have been good. 1)If it had used The Mummy(1999) as its starting point. 2)If it had been a continuation of the original universal monsters continuity from the 30s. 3) If had taken the Avp or freddy vs jason approach. So the monsters get pure horror solo introduction movies and then the crossover movies are horror action extravaganzas. So the dark universe wolfman or mummy movies would end up being scary horror films and then when the audience sees the next film is titled The Wolfman Vs The Mummy they know in advance that its gonna be a bit tongue in cheek and OTT.
@jgrAnimations2310 ай бұрын
Or Dracula untold as the starting point
@moonbeans704210 ай бұрын
@@jgrAnimations23 I enjoyed parts of Dracula Untold and with some tweaks to a follow-up it could have been used as a springboard for a cinematic universe (ditto the wolfman reboot which I also enjoyed) but The Mummy (1999) has a lot more nostalgia and general audience appeal to bring to the table. Some people would have been excited for a dracula untold follow up but I can guarantee there is a large amount of casual movie-goers who would enthusiastically turn out if you told them universal was getting the mummy (1999) cast back for a bunch of movies. Also there's the bonus that they could find ways in the franchise to bring The Rock (Scorpion King), Hugh Jackman (Van Helsing), Jet Li (Dragon Emperor), and Kate Beckinsale (Anna Valerous) into the mix too. Neither Dracula Untold or the wolfman has that many big names apart from the leads that they could rope in to a shared universe.
@nd981410 ай бұрын
As soon as you said Kurtzman was in charge I knew it was already over haha
@Bulletsandblockbusters10 ай бұрын
LMAO
@adrianthearmorwarrior160510 ай бұрын
The Dark Universe could've had potential if they were slow and careful of what they were doing. That should be the first rule of doing a cinematic universe. And another rule is don't make the monsters into superheroes because that really stupid.
@Bulletsandblockbusters10 ай бұрын
1000%
@OtakuUnderground9210 ай бұрын
Dracula Untold is underrated. I wish we could get a sequel.
@ChevonJBenzo10 ай бұрын
So underrated! Luke Evans deserved better.
@roberttreacy827110 ай бұрын
While I don’t find The Mummy (2017) as bad as some make it out to be, it certainly left a lot to be desired.
@detroitdiezel785610 ай бұрын
Agreed. I found it entertaining. But it came off as Ethan Hunt meets the Bride of The Mummy action flick, more than a true classic horror adaptation of "The Mummy".
@jesustovar254910 ай бұрын
@@detroitdiezel7856 It felt more like they wanted to live up to Brendan Fraser's The Mummy saga.
@tomlathrop538210 ай бұрын
personally I thought the Mummy was the best part of that movie, definitely needed more screen time, same with the Wolfman remake the story sucked but the Wolfman was horrifying just like people here are commenting these are monsters , hell that Sony Morbius movie missed that point as well make him a monster
@akilbrazier142110 ай бұрын
It wasn’t even necessarily bad tbh, it was just a generic popcorn action movie.
@MiguelNdiweni10 ай бұрын
Universal Studios can still reboot the Dark Universe if they stick to the horror tone like the original one.
@ojmatthew10 ай бұрын
I was an Extra in London as one of Russell Crowe's armed agents. I saw Tom Cruise go crazy shouting at the directors & producers on set (similar to his covid mask outburst). In hindsight it's clear to see he was under a lot of pressure to try make this Dark Universe a success. He apparently invested a lot of money into it as well.
@Not_Always9 ай бұрын
They should've hired a much younger actor.
@OGEdger10 ай бұрын
Wow, it's almost like people want to see good movies instead of 2 hour long advertisements for an upcoming film.
@TheZackshow10 ай бұрын
This is my favorite new channel, I have been loving the insight into unsuccessful or forgotten media
@Bulletsandblockbusters10 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@sadev10110 ай бұрын
cruise screaming in silence . gold
@blue_storybook323017 күн бұрын
That leaked Mummy trailer with no sounds other than yelling and noises kinda foreshadowed the falling of the Dark Universe 😂
@melindawolfUS10 ай бұрын
These monsters don't scare us anymore; I don't think horror is the right angle with them, either. I'd take it into gothic romance :) Bram Stoker's Dracula (1992) is my favorite old monster movie because it DOES swing more romantic. And the mummy movies with Brendon Frasier were also built on a similar tone, though with more humor. The romance is the heart of both films and stands as a motivation. I would have hired Guillermo Del Toro to re-imagine each monster. He already started with the Shape of Water and knocked it out of the park!
@chrislempesis84210 ай бұрын
I knew this would be good and it was! Well done again, man!
@Bulletsandblockbusters10 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@melindawolfUS10 ай бұрын
Gothic romance would have been a better twist on the original dark universe: what Guillermo Del Toro did in the Shape of Water is a PERFECT example
@Drums_of_Liberation7 күн бұрын
God no. We do not need to turn classic monsters into the second coming of Twilight🤮
@melindawolfUS7 күн бұрын
@Drums_of_Liberation Gothic romance doesn't mean monster-loving. It doesn't even mean the protag will pair with anyone. Look up Gothic romance: it's romanticizing the dark and "gothic", NOT a m/f romance set in the gothic period. The monster pairing was unique to shape of water. But I'd still call it a bit of a gothic romance based on the tone, themes, etc. Although it was an unconventional one... i brought it up because of it's similarlies and shared inspiration from the Dark Universe. Crimson peak was Del Toro's example of a traditional gothic romance
@kristianhurtado820710 ай бұрын
Love how Tom cruise’s casting basically doomed what could have been an incredible universe
@R1ch4d810 ай бұрын
Think the main thing that made the idea of the Dark Universe inherently unappealing is it was taking a bunch of horror icons and running with them being big spectacle blockbuster action characters. Even if they had horror elements, their main selling point was gonna be big CGI action. They really should keep them small-scale straight-up horror films.
@Bulletsandblockbusters10 ай бұрын
Agreed. Stick to horror.
@NothingIsKnown0010 ай бұрын
I wonder how the Dark Universe would have turned out if they had skipped the “team” part, and just left these monsters as partly evil, partly good anti-heroes. In some movies they could be enemies, in others they could be allies. Each movie could have a bigger focus on plot and stakes instead of just the bland Marvel heroes.
@atavious24912 ай бұрын
Let's also not forget that there were also the Hotel Transylvania movies. Even though it was for kids and families, the general concept was already there for modernizing the Universal monsters and proved to have been a popular approach rather than still trying to be faithful to their roots. Another factor to this was that all these characters were technically in the public domain, so many other studios were already doing their own spin on these well known monsters. Usually these new interpretations went in completely different routes that weren't necessarily aimed towards horror. Hence why we have a bunch of Halloween decorations depicting cheaper copyright free versions of these characters and see so many references to them in so many TV shows. I heard that we were going to get a Creature From The Black Lagoon remake back in the 2000s but we instead got Guillermo Del Toro's Shape of Water which is essentially that remake and what I consider to be another unofficial instalment to these recent attempts of a shared Dark Universe. With movies like Lisa Frankenstein and Nicolas Cage's Reinfield (which by the way, Cage certainly does look like Bela Lugosi, the 1931 Dracula), I've also heard that another Frankenstein movie is on the way that's starring Oscar Isaac and Andrew Garfield. It seems that there really is no interest in bringing back these characters for a shared universe like how it was back in the 1930s - 1940s and rather it's best to just do standalone funny parodies of these characters, as it has always been the case before the superhero cinematic universe of the 2010s. Curse you Marvel and DC. You destroyed Hollywood!!
@AlBerto-sm2ob10 ай бұрын
Just hearing what could have been the Bride of Frankenstein sounds absolutely perfect. That entire ensemble sounds like a home run! But that’s what Universal gets for running before learning on how to walk.
@jeremywilson529610 ай бұрын
Dracula untold was actually entertaining, I wanted to see the second one. And Invisible man was great.
@MrDrewseph10 ай бұрын
I still enjoy Van Helsing Good movie
@jelliscorpio10 ай бұрын
I think that The Monster Squad was the last version we saw of the horror ensemble! I'd love an updated dark universe, just get the writer/director Leigh Whannell who did Upgrade and Invisible Man to plan it all out. Or, if Del Toro to do it, if he's already done the Creature from the Black Lagoon (in Shape of Water) and is making Frankenstein.
@GUNUFofficial5 ай бұрын
The mcu rocketed away so the dark universe could slip on a banana peel and fall down a cliff into a field of cactus weilding chainsaws.
@thegreatcthulhu804910 ай бұрын
It was flawed but I've always loved 2010's The Wolfman; specifically the Unrated edition. Aside from the sequel tease at the end, it felt like it's own story and nothing more. And the practical effects still look amazing!
@brandonfj581110 ай бұрын
Yeah I don't think it was fair to say the movie was abysmal there's still quality to it
@MephProduction10 ай бұрын
The 2010 wolfman was awesome, it's exactly what the dark universe reboot should have been. Gothic horror.
@richborn670010 ай бұрын
You lost me as soon as I heard Channing Tatum was going go be Van Helsing
@Giran_09 ай бұрын
Destroy All Monsters was the first avengers
@marynaloboda49224 ай бұрын
Watched Abigail movie today. Absolutely 100% loved it. Immediately thought that it can be a perfect reboot of Monsterverse. Universal, do it. Abigail has opened so many opportunities.
@ivane511010 ай бұрын
Shame that they didn't either stick with the Mummy franchise a cornerstone of a shared universe or just embrace the monster concept and ignore walking step-in-step in Marvel's shadow. I especially would've loved seeing Gary Oldman's Dracula in the mix.
@Bulletsandblockbusters10 ай бұрын
Would’ve been awesome to see him back
@ChrisDeVarro10 ай бұрын
Dracula untold was so good it was basically just castlevania lords of shadow and forget the monster universe, I would love to see a Dracula untold sequel.
@dcb_7510 ай бұрын
Shocker, Alex Kurtzman is involved in another massive failure 😂 I can't totally blame him as the studio makes the decisions but it is funny how he is involved in both this and Star Trek - 2 reboots that totally missed their mark because they were trying to change their franchise into something else, hoping to copy their success. If you hear reboot and Kurtzman, don't waste your time(right Clarice). I can understand them wanting to expand things a bit but in the end these are monsters and that's what people want to see - you can't stray away from that. No one wants to see them as reluctant antiheroes, no one wants to see the Bride as some modern feminist, that's not their appeal. It is so weird that studios keep doing that to their franchises, changing things to appeal to a "wider" audience at the expense of their current one when everytime they do that, it is a failure.
@ryeguy747110 ай бұрын
At this point, Kurtzman should be out somewhere selling fabrics.👎
@dcb_7510 ай бұрын
@@ryeguy7471 yeah, but he would sell you fine silk only for burlap to show up
@robertw31968Ай бұрын
I hate that the MonsterVerse didn't work. The 1930's monsters are still some of my favorite movies of all time. The Wolfman, Frankenstein, Creature from the Black Lagoon, Dracula, Invisible Man, Mummy, Dr Jeckel and Mr Hyde, Phantomof the Opra, and others i missed. I loved those movies.
@itswilbur374710 ай бұрын
We'll always have Monster Squad 🙂
@makokx706310 ай бұрын
Wolfman's got nards!
@brianmcguinness964210 ай бұрын
The monster hero idea reminds me of the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen. Hiring Kurtzman is always a mistake. He has no clue how to tell a story. A well-designed horror universe with Universal's monsters would be very appealing.
@yusuf_aleem10 ай бұрын
It's such a shame that it turned out this way, as it could've been amazing! Hope they go back to it with Blumhouse one day!
@jw_gojifan1910 ай бұрын
Not only was the Dark Universe dead on arrival, but the fact that 2017’s Mummy started out with the words, Dark Universe, proved that it was desperate to start a franchise. That, and having Tom Cruise as the lead was not the best choice. At least the MonsterVerse started out solid then branched out, even though G’14 left no implications of any sequels. And, when it was at its peak, the MCU was fantastic with few duds. Just a shame that even the greats have fallen. Really, only the MonsterVerse has kept my attention as I am a fan of creature features. If the Dark Universe were to have any senses of fear and dread like the old Universal films, then look no further than Invisble Man and Last Voyage of the Demeter. No misunderstood monsters, no monster heroes, just monsters being monsters with themes and messages.
@ThisIsEloy310 ай бұрын
It really sucks that this big project died out so fast, makes you think what would have happened if they focused on these individual stories first before trying to intertwine a full universe, not to mention moving away from the traditional horror that each of these monster movies were so iconic for establishing. I do hope that Universal and Blumhouse are able to reignite this concept with the same vision they had in mind with “The Invisible Man”, especially with the reinvigoration of popular horror in the current film space, it would be awesome to see Universal’s Classic Monsters finally get a modern reimagining that pays real homage to their classic roots.
@bruceflashback387710 ай бұрын
I like the 2010 The Wolfman. I think it should have been the template for the Dark Universe. After all, it is about horror films. Not action films.
@CDHfilms10 ай бұрын
So if there were a crossover/team up what would happen? Would Van Helsing assemble, The Frankenstein monster, The mummy, The Black lagoon creature, The werewolf and the invisible man so they could fight Dracula and an army of bat people as they try to invade New-Yor- I mean uhh... Transylvania?
@184843210 ай бұрын
Luke evans is an amazing actor and Dracula untold is underrated :)
@cc_films10 ай бұрын
This is the one universe I wish was started no matter how poor the first few films performed
@moviewolverine8910 ай бұрын
As someone who was raised on the classic monster movies by my grandpa, it annoyed the piss out of me that they tried to distill such icons of horror down into a bunch of CGI superhero knockoffs.
@rushabhgautam133710 ай бұрын
Really felt bad for Alex Kurtzman, he became the side director in his own movie.Felt like he was really sad cause universal almost promised him a universe and he failed at his first movie. Now i understand why marvel adds jokes in their movie cause the person who is watching it for the first time can't get bored.Dark Universe could have been the best francise because it was meant for the adults,and seeing the casting choice it would have been great.
@Comegetmebitch10 ай бұрын
Don’t feel bad for him, heses a hack
@rushabhgautam133710 ай бұрын
@@Comegetmebitch Why buddy? Cause i know nothing about him other than being director of this movie and Star trek reboot movies writer
@toyotatacoma161610 ай бұрын
The version of the trailer with incorrect audio was a masterpiece. The movie sucked, but that trailer, that was transcendent. They also made a weirdly decent contra clone based off the movie.
@kevwolf6910 ай бұрын
Thanks for this. What a great explanation of the shenanigans around this subject. I'm looking forward to the Universal Monsters area at the new Florida adventure land. But I'm thinking they'll even mess this up and not use the screen characters of Karloff, Lugosi and Chaney Jr. If they go for their usual cartoony/stylized modern brand of monster design I'll be passing big time. I just hope at some point they decide to do the right thing and hire a writer that can shine love on these stories. I live in hope....
@SailHatinSoap10 ай бұрын
I think they should do a legacy sequel to brendan frasers the mummy but now add Dracula and Frankenstein to the mix. Everywhere they go there are more monsters to fight!
@remyraymay10 ай бұрын
Of course Tom ruined it for everyone…😒
@SilvLocs10 ай бұрын
Honestly would still love to see it realized in some way shape or form those are obviously some of the best actors
@Future_Imperfect10 ай бұрын
Dracula Untold was criminally underrated and was a great movie. Fight Me.
@revol293310 ай бұрын
Nah man, I won't fight you - I totally agree. Dracula Untold (2014) is one of the best movies about Dracula 👍
@Future_Imperfect10 ай бұрын
@@revol2933 I have yet to meet anyone that has seen that movie and didn't like it. I honestly don't understand what went wrong with its release and reception.
@revol293310 ай бұрын
@@Future_Imperfect from what I heard, people who didn't like it complain about the movie portraying Dracula as a "superhero" instead of a "real monster". Well, in my opinion this movie achieved perfect consensus between a protagonist who you can root for & fearsome force you wouldn't want to mess with
@Future_Imperfect10 ай бұрын
@@revol2933 That's interesting since it came out after Twilight, Interview with a Vampire and a literal superheroes Vampire Blade, with all of those being wildly successful.
@revol293310 ай бұрын
@@Future_ImperfectYea. That's why honestly this whole "superhero" argument doesn't make any sense. Dracula Untold is just a great movie, with great story, acting and visuals.
@doomnationalist9 ай бұрын
As a horror fan, the mishandling of the Dark Universe broke my heart
@justinamerican820010 ай бұрын
I'm tired of everything being a "shared universe", but I think the Universal Monsters lend themselves to these for the reasons you list. I'd like to see them take another (better) bite at the apple.
@storyteller6186 ай бұрын
Ngl that wolfman transformation was always awesome for me. Movie wasn’t great but that transformation was fire. And the one at the end when he was frighting his pops.
@Omar-wq9dz10 ай бұрын
Dark Universe might have worked better if it just made standalone movies, with each 1 being about a separate monster with tiny allusions to show a universe connection, instead of having an overarching story over several films
@Bulletsandblockbusters10 ай бұрын
Agreed and also they should’ve been horror films
@roberttreacy827110 ай бұрын
I agree.
@peterramirez00110 ай бұрын
I love this channel to see all the what ifs and never was. Awesome
@Bulletsandblockbusters10 ай бұрын
Thnx!
@DarkcIoud1111.10 ай бұрын
As iconic and popular as Dracula is, I've always been a fan of Frankenstein's monster and have always been a bit disappointed how few films do him justice. While the monster started out as nothing more than a brainless brute, he eventually gained intelligence and cunning, coming to his father to make him a companion and hunts him to the ends of the earth when he is denied. It is a shame that one of his most faithful adaptations was from the Van Helsing movie mentioned in this video; I would love to see a version of Frankenstein being hunted by his creation.
@rimfire821710 ай бұрын
Honestly that Bride of Frankenstein idea sounds Amazing.
@marioozzie10 ай бұрын
They should have borrowed from Alan Moore's League of Extraordinary Gentlemen and kept the story in the19th century, but where the characters take more time to establish before they finally meet. Moore included the Invisible Man, Hyde, Mina Harker from the Dracula novel, Captain Nemo and Alan Quartermaine.
@maxordman41005 ай бұрын
Very cool story. I liked this movie a lot but I have heard how many people were disappointed by it and it’s true that it tried to do a lot of stuff really fast but it still had some good potential in my opinion. The dark monsters world is certainly one that I hope makes a comeback in the future. I feel that there’s still a lot of untapped potential here. Also I need to see Dracula untold for sure. It sounds awesome but I haven’t seen that one yet but great story though and once again it’s amazing to hear about another unfinished project!
@averagejoesjimshomeprojects10 ай бұрын
Great job! As usual! You never disappoint!
@Bulletsandblockbusters10 ай бұрын
Thanks again!
@maxresdefault_10 ай бұрын
Those Frankenstein & Bride of Frankenstein movies sound like an interesting modernisation that could have been genuinely great, especially with that cast
@wolfielee1110 ай бұрын
It's always wild to me that Dracula Untold and the Wolfman(2010) weren't seen as viable shared universe launch points when they both did the "sympathetic monster that fights a greater threat" concept better than the Mummy reboot. I can't help but think bringing in a ton of A-Listers is exponentially worse than using slightly lesser known names like Luke Evans and Benicio Del Toro who, in my opinion, made their films enjoyable despite other factors hindering their success. Hell, Untold is incredibly close to the Castlevania plot that proved super successful when adapted to the anime! Make Dracula sympathetic by showing what drove him to be a tyrant, then have a Victor Von Doom style justification for why he's being "heroic" in the modern age like he's just doing it to protect his domain or vampire kind or something. All in all I think pivoting to 1 off stand alone stories is where these IP's thrive. Invisible Man was great, Voyage of the Demeter looks great, the new Frankenstein project sounds promising, Shape of Water was as close to a Black Lagoon remake we'll probably get lol these all work really well as stand alone stories where the Dark Universe was dead before it lived.
@weid1888Ай бұрын
I wish they continued these movies. I liked them.
@BrendanPappas10 ай бұрын
It’s honestly kind of disappointing that this idea never ended up working out because it seemed really cool in concept. I think it would’ve both complemented and rivaled the MCU in a satisfactory way.
@187mrsmith10 ай бұрын
I feel like a lot of these studios have never heard if it's not broken don't fix it they all seem to want to fix things that aren't broken and in the process then break Em
@RedbullSW13 күн бұрын
As someone who loves the original Universal Horror movies, I would love to see them do a new universe as faithful as possible to the classic era. Now I know that a lot of things have to change in order to properly adapt these stories to modern day, but I would love if they stayed as horror films instead of action