Let's Settle This! Pirelli Phantom Sportscomp | Replacement Tire Vs Royal Enfield OEM

[@stuartfillingham]

One of my subs brought this to my attention. good vid sir! I think one thing fortnine failed to mention or take into account was the mileage on the tyre he originally used for comparison. It may have had substantial wear being a press hack? He also compared a rear radial with a front cross ply which is like comparing an apple with an orange!

[@throttlecompany]

Wow! Thanks for taking the time to comment. We love your videos here and appreciate all that you're done for the "community". The tire saga seems endless, but personally, I'm convinced there aren't thinner tires being put on Royal Enfields to save money over the "standard" tires.

[@squirrelgripgrip]

The tread depth is reduced on BOTH the front rear … Interestingly enough I dropped into the local Triumph dealer and looked at the new Bonnie has the same tyre made in Brazil but the tread depth is 5mm on the front. So it looks like Pirelli have increased the tread depth.

[@b226tj]

@@squirrelgripgrip Interesting. The front tread depth on mine is ~3mm. Note that I have ridden about 800 miles. The rear is ~5mm. I have the Speed Twin 900 package.

[@loki1066]

Haven't you heard of a tread depth gauge ? Anyway - nice CB 750!

[@paulaus]

Could follow up by weighing the Tyres?

[@wighatsuperreggie]

I imagine these tires are waaay better than the tires you’d get in the sixties anyway

[@kaveag]

yes, not sure about your conclusion. The tread depth is may be the same, but the composition is may be not, you can already see it on the inside part of the tyre. You should have measured at least the weight of both tyres

[@MrRaven1981]

Hello. Please go back and see Stuart's video again. And look in the description. He mentions, tire type and also tire manufacturers. Yes he did contact Pirelli. The two tyres you have are cross-ply, witch are manufactured in Indonesia and Brasil, and have a 3mm tread depth, and are the ones Royal Enfield recommend for the Twins, and are exactly the same. So, what you did in the video was completely useless. The tyres (Pirelli SportsComp) for the Triumph Bonneville for example, this bike has a radial rear and a cross-ply front. All radial SportComp are manufactured in Germany and China, and have 5mm tread depth. Why RE recommends a cross-ply, rather than a radial, is beyond me. You will have to ask them. If I had to guess, I would say cost.. And these (radial) are the ones Ryan referes to.you And also, all rear Pirelli SportsComp tires, radial or cross-ply have 5mm tread depth. I know you had good intentions, but at the end of the day you are RE dealer, so you need to know what's what.

[@throttlecompany]

Thanks for the information! I also appreciate your tone after editing the comment and the extra information provided. The intention of this video was to directly address the sentiment I see on the internet among most people which can be summed up as "Royal Enfield is scamming people by providing thinner tires on their bikes and just calling them the same name." I feel like I did address that in an honest way by taking the 2 tires in the video and comparing the size. The information you provided show that the issue is a bit more complex since there are really multiple versions of tire with the same name out there.

[@-thirteen]

@@throttlecompany No, Royal Enfield isn't scamming anyone, the tires are the same horrible tires you can buy as replacements. Changing the tires will improve your motorcycle's ride and handling exponentially. I have no idea if the tires are bad design but they are not good on this bike. My local Ducati/Triumph dealer says everyone hates them and gets rid of them, that tells me a lot. Changing them was a fabulous experience.

[@-thirteen]

@Bloodred Pyrate whatever, dude the tires suck.

[@-thirteen]

@Bloodred Pyrate btw, I bought new tires online and took the wheels to a local to change them. They weren't selling me tires.

But you can put radial despite recommendation and vice versa??

[@davebeard5858]

Different rubber compounds. They may measure the same, but they are manufactured in different countries, on different machinery using different material sources. Only a fool would think they are identical and only someone who doesn't know motorcycle tires would think that these "measurements" were accurate or even relevant. Not the first time Stuart was wrong.

[@-thirteen]

It doesn't matter if they are the same because they are awful on this bike and others. Just changing the tires improved the ride and handling in all conditions. Cornering is precise now and tracking a line is effortless, as it should be. Previous to changing the tires the bike was borderline dangerous. Many have expressed this experience for themselves Do yourself a favor and change these tires and enjoy what the bike can do for real.

[@-thirteen]

@Bloodred Pyrate f you. It's my opinion/experience not whining. Dont be a D

[@markos1963]

‘Borderline dangerous’ I don’t think so. I don’t have any problem with road riding on them, able to outride many bigger bikes down a windy road. For the track then maybe a change to a stickier tyre might help. The main problem with handling isn’t the tyres but the cheap suspension. Once sorted then the tyres are able to work better.

[@jimsaddler942]

What tires did you replace your Pirellis with? I am looking for tires that have better ride, handling and not reacting to lines in the road.

[@-thirteen]

@@jimsaddler942 Avon roadrider 2. Brilliant tires

[@jimsaddler942]

@@-thirteen Thanks! I'll look into them!

[@kurtauerbach5883]

I think the original video stated it wrong and u show both apples are the same I got a re 650 continental. I don’t race my bike it hasn’t even been a year ,6500 miles daily driver to work an my tires are measured 3/32 left manual said replace if less than 2/32 it’s noticeable. Maybe it’s possible they’re shipping some of them with a cheap brand tire to save money. These are not Perrelli . The ceat zoom cruz . Strange, it’s possible the dealership hijacked my original tires and put these on. I’m going to try the perreli demon cruiser hopefully they last longer.

[@OurDee]

If you have a digital caliper, the rod that comes out of the far end can be used for measuring depth. I know you already know this.

[@TonMachielsen]

So other than the inside (hence moulds used, way to manufacture), the country of manufacturing (source materials, etc) and therefor most probably the composition of the rubber they are the same? Is that what you are saying?

[@Hutchie2112]

Anybody complaining about oem tyres on a bike nowadays should be forced to ride any japanese bike from the late 70's that came with OEM yokohama tyres. Strangely, back then, rumour had it that OEM tyres were actually made of a harder compound, so the bikes would get better reviews as the tyres lasted longer. I'd have used a tyre tread depth gauge on them, then weighed them. That would have been plenty accurate enough.

[@captainmoto206]

My RE GT 650 came with an Indian produced tire called Zoom Cruz. Bought my bike brand new just last week. Some of the models on the floor had Pirelli tires, some had Zoom Cruz tires. Have you seen these yet?

[@throttlecompany]

Yes! What we’ve heard is that They weren’t allowed to import tires with little notice so they went with Ceat which is an Indian manufacturer. I’ve ridden quite a few bikes with Ceat tires and so far they are good!

[@captainmoto206]

@@throttlecompany I don’t have any complaints from them for now but I’m also just breaking the bike in. I have ordered some Pirelli Phantoms that I will put on pretty soon. Also, going with a 150 set up in the rear.

[@romeldias]

@@throttlecompany The CEAT is of course another brand that is now Indian (originally Italian - Cavi Elettrici e Affini Torino) and being that they are manufactured in India, the compound doesn't need as much work to get up to temp and the ones that RE use are usually made for specific bikes and seem to be better options in wet conditions!

[@supercomp7078]

Nice try, I do have to agree with the other guy when I say we have these marvellous things called Vernier's, or tyre depth gauges, to be honest you will probably end up with small variations due manufacturing tolerances, no idea how much but they will be there, the only way you could really compare would be to cut the tyres across it's with at the same spot and measure that, the important thing is do the tyres perform the same

[@bhimtomar9667]

Hwo much Day change the tyre this bike

[@dasboot9471]

Your center pinch measurement is completely inaccurate, not that I’m disagreeing with you on them being completely the same.

[@Kavika-xh1qj]

Weight would be simpler

[@briarfox637]

Michelin road 5 or 6 will solve all these issues. My Bonneville came with Pirelli sportscomp and they’ve been great dry or wet. Don’t know why people hate them. I am gonna switch to the Michelin to see if there is a diff.

[@throttlecompany]

Michelin road 5/6 do not come in these sizes.

[@briarfox637]

@@throttlecompany Road 5 come in the sizes of the liquid cooled bonneville. As far as the RE, I don't know. The Michelin website has 28 different variations of RE available to check what tires fit.

[@nataliamiliano150]

It would have been cool to weigh them 😉

[@throttlecompany]

Maybe, doesn’t matter now, they all come with a different brand entirely.

[@nataliamiliano150]

@@throttlecompany Which tires come stock now? What size?

[@nataliamiliano150]

Ceat Cruz are the new tires that come on these bikes.

[@roflcoz]

i'm sorry but you are a motorcycle dealer that says he does not know any way of scientificly measuring thread depth? there are specific tools for that that work on the principle of a caliper. (if that is the correct translation) Quite interesting video though, thanks!

[@throttlecompany]

I’m sorry that you didn’t understand we are trying to determine tire thickness not tread depth. Nice try though.

[@roflcoz]

@@throttlecompany ah ok! it seemed to me that you where measuring thread depth with a coin. my fault then.

[@jonwright490]

There could be differences in the rubber compound and the quality of the steel banding etc that would affect manufacturing costs but hey who cares? Lets just get on with riding and enjoying bikes.

[@c.g.c2067]

A company producing same tyre but in variable thicknesses depending on where it will be mounted doesn't make much sense

[@grantward9205]

Weigh them

[@whome8192]

The Ryan F9 video made me realize to not believe everything I hear and see on the internet. Fun videos, but take his information more as showmanship than fact. My 2020 Triumph Street Twin has Phantom Sport comps...made in China radial on rear with 5mm tread depth, and bias ply made in Brazil on the front with 3mm tread depth. Maybe there are German made tires from the Italian branded, Chinese company that is Pirelli. Worst car tires I ever had were Made in Germany Pirellis. Front tires out of round in 10,000 miles...super loud and shaky. So I have no love for German made Pirellis.

[@TonMachielsen]

So you are basically confirming what F9 is saying. Same brand, same model, but completely different tires.

[@C00KSTERr1]

If they are the same then I won't be buying phantoms ever again. They are cupping like crazy.

[@Mrflymess]

You use a coin & eyeball it then announce it's about the same. Very poor comparison. I would trust Ryan, who researches his conclusions over Fillingham who makes generalizations. He claimed the suspension on the Continental is different to the Interceptor but hasn't replied to my challenge.