Let's Talk About Baneblade Super Heavy "Scout Tanks" - 40K Theories

[@BrenttFease]

I mean, if anyone would define "Scouting" as "Arriving first and completely leveling all foes and obstacles in your path so you can see unobstructed for miles", it would be the Imperium of Man.

[@Azorees-oj5zr]

So the House Steiner definition?

[@Deridus]

Batchal?

[@Azorees-oj5zr]

@@Deridus YEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSS.

[@Deridus]

@@Azorees-oj5zr ... I need to fire MWO back up. Been playing MW5 for so long, I've forgotten how the multiplayer works. HBS Battletech is always good, too

[@LOBricksAndSecrets]

The phrase you are looking for is "Reconnaissance in Force" I think

[@panzerfury6579]

The Baneblade was the most common economy sized family vehicle during the DAoT. It was revealed to me in a dream.

[@matthinton19]

Based

[@rileyernst9086]

It was reported to be a real pain in the backside to reverse parallel park. It was reportedly a real pain when you couldn't find a park and had to park a block away.

[@papidorn7938]

Seems legit, I see no reason to disbelieve this statement.

[@Shaso-xv3tw]

I miss the salamander scout tank, might just have to rewrite the rules and points for 40k to include it in the guard

[@ancientgearsynchro]

The only trustworthy source.

[@TheWarmachine375]

"It's only stealth when no one lives to talk about it." - Baneblade Scout Tank probably

[@lanasmith4795]

The house Steiner method of scouting

[@TheWarmachine375]

Casuals: "Fanon is canon! Canon is not a thing in 40k anyway! It's all up to interpretation!" 40k Theories: *"I was something beyond furious."*

[@requited2568]

Eh, the new canon is basically fanon. Heh, had to be that guy🎉.

[@Deridus]

War of the beast is canon. In short the entirety of forty k is suspect.

[@pandulouis8646]

I once read from a forum that a Baneblade to be considered as a "scout tank" emerged from a fan discussion regarding the scale of weaponry during the DAOT, as compared to the wonders of that era (Castigator, etc), Baneblade can be considered "a light scout vehicle", with the arguments that DAOT humanity have the technology to make the baneblade more agile and nimble.

[@M33f3r]

This is what I had heard as well. As a simple sort of joke that attempts to compare the sheer insanity of DAOT tech

[@Zolwiol]

It's still baseless conjecture. As DAoT high tech scouts would more likely be small stealth vehicles and drones.

[@choczynski]

Was it the land raider that was based on the STC of a farming tractor?

[@Eucep]

Will agree that I read it as 'we call that a scout because it's among the smaller common wargear' indeed to emphasize how overpowered humanity used to be. Which more makes me wonder if we'll ever see more of such insane gear that would dwarf a baneblade to that comparison. But was it ever an actual 'scout' heck no.

[@Gustav_Kuriga]

@@Eucep Warhound Titans exist. There is such a thing as "Reconnaissance in force".

[@Lumen_Obscurum]

I suspect it *MAY* have been said that Baneblades were Vanguard units for Imperial movements or similar during the Great Crusade, which then got mistranslated, misunderstood or similar. The other option is that it started as Guard players saying "There should be a tank even BIGGER than this." And being annoyed it wasn't real.

[@whulfri8890]

The Baneblade was a scout tank argument is the Warhammer version of the "Why didn't the eagles take the ring to Mordor" Love these unscripted videos, thanks!

[@rhuiah]

Everyone knows the Baneblade was originally created for agriculture. Specifically the planting of pretty flower gardens and subsequently protecting them from voracious rabbits.

[@rileyernst9086]

Aye they're no regular rodents!

[@AlphaKnight-hg2jq]

Thats why it has so many guns, they'd fill the shells with seeds and just bombard an area instead of planting them by hand, it was very efficient

[@rhuiah]

@@rileyernst9086 They're the most foul, cruel and bad-tempered rodents you ever set eyes on!

[@cratoss.4772]

Vicious psychic rabbits for that matter...oh and they feed on human blood too.

[@rileyernst9086]

@@rhuiah A mean streak a mile wide. AND BIG SHARP POINTY TEETH!

[@TheMemphisxlr8]

A Baneblade is only ever referred as a "scout tank" when one is acquired by the Alfa Legion, and piloted by the chapters initiates, whereupon the Baneblade is formally referred to as a "Scot tank".

[@Matt-md5yt]

Yep meme would make it confirmed lol

[@charlesfisher-kh5sw]

"scot tank" because the initiates were scotsmen

[@spookyghostwriter3110]

In the novel Shadowsword, a Baneblade runs across (and if memory serves, over) a pack of three CSM predator tanks that persumably date back to the Great Crusade. It drives away. The predators do not. How is something that can literally crush a space marine battle tank under their own treads supposed to be a scout again?

[@moriskurth628]

The only way the "scouting" statement makes any sense if the idea was "Reconnaissance in Force", where you basically attack the enemy to provoke them into bringing out their true strength, positions, and determination, as the difference between RiF and a full-on assault is pretty hard to guess. Once that is done, and you have the full picture of enemy strength, the "Recon" elements pull back and report what they saw, or push further turning the scouting action into an actual attack. However, for that the Baneblade is still a good bit too slow. They have more in common with the early heavy tanks of WW1, and breakthrough tanks of WW2, where you just have this large, moving bunker, covered with as many heavy weapons as you can fit on it, and throw it at enemy lines to penetrate them.

[@robertnelson9599]

The Baneblade is a scout vehicle when it is the lightest vehicle on the battlefield. Titans and the Leviathan are a thing.

[@ryanhouston2032]

It didn't run over the Predators(all three of the Predators where also armed with lascannons) . It pushed one into a deep spot in the river and drowned it. The Baneblade then wedged itself between 2 pillers to protect the sides, then used the Battle Cannon to destroy one Predator and the Demolisher Cannon to destroy the other. Actually the order might be Battle Cannon, Demolisher, Miss with a second shot from the BC, backed into and drowned the 3rd. The Baneblade just barely survived the encounter. Mind you it also just finished dealing with a Destroyer Tank Hunter that did considerable damage to it....I just finished reading the book like 2 nights ago. Lol

[@insidechaos4913]

​@robertnelson9599 even that though fails when the larger vehicles can move faster then it a scouting party would need to at least move at the same speed in worse cases and a titan can move at least as fast as the baneblade if not faster.

[@anotherzingbo]

Some, but not all, real world tanks can turn on the spot. It depends on how their particular drivetrains work.

[@phaylnx]

If a Baneblade (and any other tank the Imperium of man) has similar drive train mechanics, or even more advanced one, it should be able to pivot steer. The first tank ever produced could do it, so I would think that Imperial tanks could too.

[@Eucep]

I am assuming it's a penalty added to it not for lore reasons, but purely game play reasons.

[@phaylnx]

@@Eucep definitely a game play mechanic. look at flyers with the aircraft keyword. they can't turn till after they move. Remilaz was saying how it weird how the Baneblade was the only tank that had to move then turn is all, and other tanks didn't.

[@brotherhoodofsteel4751]

Did some digging into it as I was bored and from what I can tell these are the best possible theories. 1. It's a joke stemming from when Creed could give anything the scout rule. 2. Perhaps a throw away line from one of the rulebooks for epic or its predecessors. 3. Online forums discussing technology from the dark age of technology. Here are my own theories. 1. A joke made by some games workshop employee that someone ran with. 2. Something from a noncanonical source similar to the Sun stroke magazine female Space Marine chapter.

[@renegade2913x]

I think the source was the Dawn of War: Winter Assault instruction manual. It stated that the baneblade was designed as a scout tank in the stc, no idea about the great crusade though

[@40KTheories]

Thank you, I'll try and find a copy of this to look up!

[@marrvynswillames4975]

Found the manual. It says in page 64 that it's the oldest Imperial tank still in use, but nothing about it being a scout. Unless it's in the strategy guide, which I couldn't find

[@thechazz3230]

I remember reading in what i think was one of the Imperial Armor books that it was a scout when it was designed in The Dark Age of Technology. Whoever said it was invented in the great Crusade is full of it because its an STC.

[@marrvynswillames4975]

Never saw it, in fact, Imperial Armour Vol 2 say that the Predator was the mbt of the dark age, with the 2nd edition of the book changing to only "maybe" it was the mbt

[@matthinton19]

Thank you, somebody always bring it up and never backs up seeing it

[@therasslintheatre2960]

I feel the same about the "40k is inside a Celestial Wizard's crystal ball in Altdorf" claim The "Fantasy is a planet inside the warp" was SORTA true from early Rogue Trader-era source material like the WD articles leading to its release, but the former claim is something I've never seen an actual source from

[@gwensdad2003]

There was a reference somewhere to it being a light tank during the dark age of technology but light does NOT equal scout. Unless forgeworld Steiner is building Steiner Scout Baneblades

[@Canadian_Zac]

I could see it being a Light Tank. I.e. the Least Armed and Armoured vehicle of Golden Age humanity Buttt, scout, No Thing has a top speed of like 3mph

[@Blabimir]

The whole point of a light tank is to be fast, relocate to a different shooting position, and to provide support. A Baneblade is absolutely too big and cumbersome to do so and thus even the DAoT mankind would've probably had something small and fast (most likely capable of killing a Baneblade with some insane archeotech weapon though so it'd be more of a glass cannon if anything.) Think of modern light tanks like the American M10 Booker or the Russian 2S25 Sprut, both are light vehicles with good mobility and effective firepower.

[@dstubby82]

See also "Lyran Scout Lance" over in the Battletech universe. 😊

[@ashenwanderer3592]

Steiner Gang FTW

[@blackpanther3032]

I always read it as about equivalent in power as a scout vehicle of that time because there is no way that could be a “scout vehicle” unless it has a core that was a scout vehicle that kept getting more and more armor and guns strapped to it.

[@chainsawsubtlety9828]

My unsupported recollection is that the 'Baneblade was a scout-tank-thing' was during the Dark Age of Technology, not the Great Crusade. The idea is still ridiculous, but it was meant to further demonstrate how much power and technology Humanity had lost. There is a good chance that I'm wrong.

[@Streygenmoment]

Given how the Baneblade is described as being slow and cumbersome, if it was a scout vehicle for DAoT Humanity, then that makes them look more stupid, as that means they weren't smart enough to make an effective scouting vehicle lol

[@parkermaisterra8532]

@@Streygenmoment 25kph on road and 18kph off road really screams scout tank

[@ThatGuy-a48]

​@@parkermaisterra8532in WW2 maybe lol

[@Gustav_Kuriga]

@@Streygenmoment You're assuming it used the same tech, or that it wasn't a recon in force for other superheavies. You've heard of the Warhound Titan, yes?

[@Streygenmoment]

@@Gustav_Kuriga first off, the War hound is not comparable to the Baneblade. They fulfill two very different roles, and unlike the Baneblade it is used for scouting and faster paced combat in comparison to other actual titans. Secondly, If the Baneblade was really a scouting vehicle, that would mean that the real tank was either unable to move, that there was absolutely no terrain and that the enemy was right in front of them, or that Humanity was just stupid and doesn't know what scouting is

[@sgtrock68]

Maybe they're confusing advance party, forward unit, or even forward operating base for scout. I don't play but I'm guessing infantry supports tanks, and tanks support Titan units...and artillery covers the battle field? I might have to look closer at playing the game. These are the discussions where peoples eyes normally glaze over and I'll end up standing on my chair if no one stops me.

[@cstgraphpads2091]

The only way a Baneblade wouldn't be able to turn on the spot would be due to one of the tracks being damaged. The old movement rules was likely a balancing attempt.

[@Maliz_Ultraviolet_Lantern]

40k has the worst “memes treated as facts” problem out of any fandom. People just repeat whatever nonsense they hear without question and eventually it just becomes “true” in people’s eyes. That is a huge chunk of what contributed to me leaving the community aspect of the hobby

[@jhonnoilcringeincarnato8593]

Indeed although the worst part are the one that are stubborn about it most I've talked with either understand that it's a joke or simply don't know much about the lore

[@joshuamidgette4846]

If an Atlas can be a scout mech, a Baneblade can be a scout tank.

[@ltcinsane]

Damn .. you beat me to the Lyran Scount Lance reference. XD

[@jacobfreeman5444]

I guess recon in force is the idea?

[@Deridus]

Batchal?

[@SRTifiable]

Steiner/Krieg Scout Squad?

[@kingjshgrumpy5481]

Still a stealth mission if no one is left alive to report.

[@darykeng]

3:52 Well, it depends on their steering system and how it made, done by clutch and slowingdown/stopping one of the tracks or independent movement of tracks (which is allows the neutral turn). Wouldn't be surprised if Imperioum (or Mechanicus for that matter) opted-outm for clutch because it just easier to manufacture

[@j-pbelliveau4439]

3:47 The turning circle depends on the transmission and whether it can actually make one track go forward while the other goes backwards. For some tracked vehicles the closest they can get to a zero point turn is to completely stop the tracks on one side. (Disclaimer: I mainly learned this from War Thunder and might be wrong.)

[@Drewscipher]

I think it's that but also could have resulted in the designers preventing it if the tracks were walked off during testing. e.g. "Look these guys are going to do this IF we let them and there's a 33% chance of them tracking themselves if we let them. That's too high, put in a switch to disable this let the machine do this" other designers "Nod nod nod" 40K: Cawl: "turns switch off"

[@inductivegrunt94]

Given the armor and guns on the Baneblade, "Scouting" is the last job they'd have. They are too big, too slow, too armored, and too armed to be scouts. Just because Titans were more common back then doesn't mean the Baneblade was a Scout Tank.

[@cosmichay74]

true but the Dark Age could have a railgun on it, with a plasma reactor that made it go hunderd or so MPH/KPH, for what all we know Dark Age could have Bolos tanks.

[@GarmrsBarking]

@@cosmichay74but we are taking the great crusade not the dark age of technology....

[@Gustav_Kuriga]

@@GarmrsBarking And the claim has never been about the Great Crusade. Whenever I've seen this, it has always been about the dark age of technology.

[@cosmichay74]

@@GarmrsBarking true but I mean what was likely during the dark age, what would it likely had if it was a scout tank

[@alexs1954]

The Baneblade was, at best, a main battle tank during the Dark Age of Technology.

[@ZeroNumerous]

Nah. The Baneblade is way too small for an MBT involved in a war that involves throwing suns around.

[@SuperSteelyGlint]

It was a light tank during the DAoT - That's where the whole "scout tank" thing came from, people conflated "light" with "scout". They are not the same thing.

[@araknas3981]

@@SuperSteelyGlint Same thing Remleiz said in the video, source?

[@aurtosebaelheim5942]

@@ZeroNumerous The scale of a war doesn't change the size of the individual units fighting in that war. If nuclear war breaks out, infantrymen will not suddenly grow to the size of elephants.

[@Gustav_Kuriga]

@@aurtosebaelheim5942 Unarmored infantry, yes. What is used as an infantry combat unit? That can change. If your technology is advanced enough, something the size of a dreadnought can be maneuverable enough to be used in the infantry role.

[@ShadeGrey]

I know I have heard "Baneblade scout tank" several times and I assumed it was just a REALLY old piece of lore (like ridiculous first edition), and/or that it was meant that the Baneblade was used as a Scout Tank for other super heavies when they were more common.

[@Gustav_Kuriga]

Considering that Warhound Titans exist, that's how I see it.

[@ShadeGrey]

@@Gustav_Kuriga ya but as Rem explained in the video that REALLY doesn't make sense

[@Gustav_Kuriga]

@@ShadeGrey The video is talking about the claim regarding during the Great Crusade. The Baneblade is an STC that precedes the Imperium, so really we should be looking at the Dark Age of Technology, where it's likely that the current STC was an old, antiquated version of the tank. The original claim of it being a "scout" or "light" tank was in regards to within a super heavy tank regiment or something similar during the DAoT.

[@bongodrumzz]

From a purely engineering POV, the Baneblade cannot ever be considered a 'scout tank', this is due to a lot of the points already mentioned, plus it isn't designed to be agile, it cannot turn in tight circles due to the damage it would cause to its own tracks, it's own weight counts against it, it does weigh about 300 tons! The mental number of weapons it carries and uses makes it more of a semi-mobile blockhouse so that makes me wonder just how well armoured it is? Shall we say, for arguments sake, 6 inch plus armour plate? And the main armament consisting of a mortar AND a 200mm main gun in the turret would also be a contributor to the damage it can cause without being as sure footed as a gazelle? Even with all this counting against the 'scout tank' label, we have many many other classes of tank that could and would fulfil this role, after all the forces of the Emperor don't really have a lack of logistics to suffer from? In conclusion, and this is just my point of view, it's a no, just no it's not a scout tank.

[@Yondalor]

I think it's a similar rumour as people saying terminator armour was just a mining suit back in the Dark Age of Technology. People want to think everything was so awesome and badass in the DAoT that the largest and most powerful weapons in 40K were just the smallest things back then.

[@tflwulf69]

But in fairness they probably were. Look at the Castigator titan its more akin to an Eldar Revenant than it is to an Imperator.

[@yabarber6902]

Terminator armor was in fact originally designed to clean the inside of active power generators. Thats from the 5th or 6th edition codex i believe.

[@jhonnoilcringeincarnato8593]

Terminator armor being originally an hazard suit is indeed canon tho the source is from the codex

[@dansmith4077]

For the algorithm

[@juliodolmus5720]

Love the tone of this video.

[@40KTheories]

Be sure to check out our other "Let's Talk" videos too!

[@icosaphilia6342]

It’s worth bearing in mind a Warhound has really big legs, it’d take some pretty extreme terrain to even slow it down. The Baneblade is more of a mobile fortress, at best it’ll grind forwards and dare the enemy to f*ck around and find out

[@watcherzero5256]

You missed out the scanners, Baneblade has a really good sensor suite in addition to Auspex scanners that most ground vehicles have it also has an Augur array which is normally only found on a voidship level sensor array. That puts it in the same information gathering class as Titans.

[@DoomStroller]

Can possibly shed a little light for less seasoned fans. 40k theories is pretty spot on. Yes alot of us are aware that great crusade era naval void ships and ground vehicles/armor were definitely scaled up noticeably in alot of cases compared to the current setting. But definitely not on the level implied here. As far as the setting 40k having canon it does. In more recent years black library/games workshop has been more diligent in streamlining, rectifying and establishing standards for lore. So as to be more approachable for a broad spectrum of enthusiasts like ourselves

[@mega-bustershepard5537]

Emperor: So after Cawl f*cked around with my Space Marines please tell me you figured out where the BOLOs STC was. Guilliman: Sadly the BOLOs is still out of reach of the Mechanicum. Emperor: Oh Throne damnit! I want my continent sized Tanks back. F*cking Horus leaving me with a glorified scout tank.

[@requited2568]

BOLO ftw.

[@ltcinsane]

gods i rememebr seeing the novels from that series XD

[@PomaiKajiyama]

I think the source of this apocrypha is actually from Battletech where there's a meme of the Steiner Scout Lance which consists of 4 Atlas's.

[@Tipsyweeb]

A baneblade being a scout tank is like a 50 cal being used for room clearing

[@connormitchelson8012]

baneblade was a scout on paper same as the bradley was i guess? pentagon wars reference?

[@requited2568]

See it is a scout, you will have to speak up though as I think I have a concussion and hearing loss.

[@connormitchelson8012]

@@requited2568 dépends .50bmg or .50ae one is not like the other also props for actually doing a proper sweep using .50bmg like a browning m2 or a Barrett i mean even Arnie can't hip fire a real m2 as the t800

[@mikewaterfield3599]

If we are going there we ought to talk about the ludicrously low speeds given in the fluff for these vehicles. The speeds listed for “fast” imperial vehicles are sad even by WW2 standards. 2200 KPH sounds impressive until you realize modern day combat craft can outrun these numbers. Incidentally calling a war hound titan “fast and agile” is laughable. You want ridiculous scout units? Visit the Battletech realm and visit the Lyran Commonwealth. Those lunatics think skull headed 100 ton walkers are for scouting.

[@Smotwoj2000]

To be fair, I always thought that Games Workshop essentially copied WW 2 tank specs for their own fictional wargear without checking them out.. At least when you go for non-Lexicanum wiki, the chart provided on Leman Russ page cites armor thickness taken 1:1 from Soviet t-34, for example. Which even with superb building material as plasteel or adamantine they're using in the 41st millenium it seems really thin, even compared to modern tanks which have 100-150 mm plating on average.

[@mikewaterfield3599]

@@Smotwoj2000 its not about the thickness, modern tanks use chobham armor. Way more effective than basic angled plate. What kills me are things like speed specs in particular. Eldar vehicles in imperial armor really are not that fast.

[@Warrior-Of-Virtue]

CREEEEEED!!!!!!!!!!

[@TheWarmachine375]

Baneblades are pure unadulterated awesomeness.

[@oldeskul]

I had heard some folks say that during the days of the Terran Federation, the Baneblade was originally designed as a scout tank, but fell prey to too many cooks-itis.

[@spartanalex9006]

And it fell prey to the same military industrial complex project creep that crippled the Terran Hegemony Barron class “Destroyers.”

[@outerheaven4384]

There was no federation, can people stop using that word?

[@darkpit37]

I thought the situation was that the baneblade was considered a light scout tank during the dark age of technology. This being a way to show just how absolutely bonkers everything was in that era. To be fair, though, I don't necessarily have a specific source for this either, but I think it's more plausible than it being considered a scout during the great crusade. That said, the issue of it being so slow and cumbersome kinda make even that premise a bit silly.

[@Gustav_Kuriga]

Warhound Titans are scout vehicles. Think about that for a second.

[@darkpit37]

@@Gustav_Kuriga warhound titans are also 4 times as fast as a baneblade, as pointed out by Remliez in this very video.

[@Gustav_Kuriga]

@@darkpit37 They also have suffered much less from technological degradation, whereas the Baneblade is the bottom barrel version as far as its STCs are concerned. All of this is assuming it's DAoT, which is the only version of this I've ever heard. I still have no clue where he heard "Great Crusade" era claims. That wasn't what was going around a decade ago.

[@darkpit37]

@@Gustav_Kuriga maybe it was more maneuverable during the DAoT, and possibly just a tad faster. That'd make it at least theoretically usable for recon.

[@darienevans6229]

I heard the bane blade was a scout tank during the dark age of technology. But I just heard that from other people I don’t have a source.

[@marrvynswillames4975]

Personally, if we are to do a "super heavy scout", the Astraeus, which is a grav tank with void shields, is a much better design for

[@WillowMaster]

Let’s be honest, during the DAOTech the Baneblade would most likely have been a support tank, with the MEGA LARGE friggin titans and who knows what else would act as the main line.

[@colinbielat8558]

And even then, if titans were more common place, there would be no reason to use a large unit like a warhound as a scout vehicle as it's size would defeat its purpose. The baneblade, while slower than a warhound would come with some advantages, being relatively smaller would make it harder to detect and its significant number of weapons would make it a better skrimsher against enemy formations than the warhound, also its more expendable nature plays more into a scout freeing up the warhounds for flanking and breakthrough actions.

[@V.B.Squire]

That actually makes sense I want to see a titan legion using baneblades as Armoured Support Tanks now

[@Smeghead76]

A Baneblade is a "scount tank" in the same way an Atlas is a "scout 'Mech"...

[@Le-cp9tr]

I thought the baneblade was a scout tank during the Dark Age of Technology not the Great Crusade, which is a very different galaxy

[@TheOneTrueEmperor777]

This is so weird for me, but only because not only did I hear about this recently, but back in my teenage days that it was the LEMAN RUSS TANK! that was the scout tank, and that was during the Dark Age of Technology.

[@Gustav_Kuriga]

I've never heard of that claim, ever. It was the Baneblade and the Dark Age of Technology. No one has ever claimed it was the Baneblade during the early Imperium.

[@marrvynswillames4975]

People claim the Leman russ was a tractor, but the Horus Heresy Inferno say that it's a tank stc

[@christopherg2347]

I heard it originally as: "During the _dark age of technology_ the Baneblade was _considered_ a light tank." That makes a lot more sense. It is feasible the Dark Age could make tanks that dwarved even the Baneblade, making it _comparatively_ a light tank. Same way the Warhound is only a "scout" compared to other titans. For the Astra Militarum? Oh, it totally is a super-heavy tank all right! But for the Dark Age of technology, that might have been the equivalent of WW1 tanks.

[@Gustav_Kuriga]

Exactly.

[@clifdog100]

I always thought the saying was: "Baneblades used to be so common that the Leman Russ was used as scouts" or something like that.

[@thearmoredbugger9344]

If a Guard Tack Commander, or a Guard Officer, is going to use a Baneblade as a scout vehicle, the only way use it in that role is to employ the tactic known as "Recon by Fire."

[@KingFlameHawk]

I remember hearing that the Baneblade was a light tank compared to the vehicles used in the dark age of technology, but I have no sources outside of trust me bro.

[@SuperSteelyGlint]

This. "light" tank is a different thing than "Scout" tank. All scout tanks are light tanks but not all light tanks are scout tanks.

[@Gustav_Kuriga]

@@SuperSteelyGlint You've never looked at the organization of a US Cavalry unit.

[@canis2020]

I have heard this since I started in the hobby back in the late 90s. I always just thought it was an extrapolation to the drive up and smack it with my sword meme

[@georgesulea]

If a Baneblade is a "scout tank", then a Battle Barge is a rowboat...

[@awesomehpt8938]

This is 40k. Even really big things can be considered scouts.

[@SAwfulEPM]

Honestly, give us an actual peek at the DaoT already, GW. A story set during it. (Although I still dream of a Rangdan Xenocides book series being what they fall back on once HH has finally run its course)

[@rayxcer1592]

„Nobody will notice, if there is no one to notice (left alive).“ - the only (but arguably very good) chance a Baneblade has at being a „stealthy“ scout tank.

[@TheWarmachine375]

Commissar: "DRIVE ME CLOSER! IM GONNA HIT THEM WITH MY SWORD!"

[@anotharoundboi]

1). Yeah absolutely ludicrous. I would believe the statement if the warhound titan didnt exist and even then i would barely believe it. 2). My dude. . . you sounded absolutely livid about the idea. XXXD

[@CrapLuckSimon]

Reminds me of that movie "The Pentagon Wars". They try to design a scout tank (the Bradley) that ends up being a baneblade with no armor or speed, making it a horrible scout tank.

[@papidorn7938]

I like this video format, I thought it was hilarious, I had not heard you say the F word before, its funny as hell.

[@kevinoliver3083]

"I'd have £5.63". Worth an upvote alone.

[@boomityboomityboom]

I want to have more videos with unhinged Remleiz

[@Lordingish]

It's from the same place that spawned "Space marine armor is just DAoT era janitorial/sewer cleaning equipment."

[@sheepbeeps3369]

We don't have any citation that it was a "light tank" but the first and second editions say it was a military vehicle back in the golden age vehicle, and advanced ahead of it's "bigger brothers" and is comparable to a knight. if the leman russ is what they did to a tractor chassis, the knights were originally construction mechs, and terminator armor was based on hazmat gear. The fandom's sort of shrugged it's sholders and suggested "light tank?" If that IS the case then it's big brothers would look like the things out of OGRE.

[@marrvynswillames4975]

Leman Russ is a tank stc, as of Horus Heresy: Inferno. The Fandom mix with the og Rogue Trader book saying the vehicles on it are agri vehicles, but the leman russ didn't even existed at the time

[@Kameth]

The only way the Baneblade was meant to be a scout tank is that if in the designing process they had a serious case of misson creep. Adept 1: New notes from up top. Adept 2: Again? What now? Adept 1: And I quote: "Not enough turrets." Adept 2: That's what they said last time! I can't fit any more on! Adept 1: Redo the chassis then. Adept 2: It's going to be the size of a building and be very slow. Adept 1: Don't get snippy with me, that's what the client wants. Adept 2: Gah. Fine. When you get a moment, double check what the client thinks 'scout' means, because I have serious doubts we're singing off the same hymn sheet.

[@rodneykelly8768]

I remember reading a bit of lore were a Baneblade was used in a "Scout-Like" roll. It also died quickly.

[@Azorees-oj5zr]

Which bit of lore? Sounds interesting.

[@rodneykelly8768]

I think it was in a Forge World armor book. If I remember correctly, A tank ace pushed his BaneBlade out ahead of the Imperial forces. When the vehicle was crippled, he ordered to abandon the tank and return to friendly lines. The Ace stayed behind to give some cover for his troops, and was lost.@@Azorees-oj5zr

[@Zoshnell]

Baneblades are the Stener Choice of Scout Tank in a Lance.

[@glitterboy2098]

the turning radius of a tracked vehicles depends on various factors, including transmission (whether you can put individual tracks into reverse for example) as well as length, width, width of the track, type of suspension, etc. if the vehicle isn't designed for it, they can still try it of course.. but they're likely to throw a track or damage the suspension. which for a tank during a battle, is a good way to get mission killed if not actually destroyed. given the large size of the baneblade, its ridiculously wide tracks, and the width of the tank itself, i can buy that the vehicle has difficulty turning in place.

[@zedhiro6131]

A baneblade could be a member of a Steiner scout company.

[@duffs101]

I like this new relaxed style of video.

[@Headhunter1234256]

If a baneblade is a scout tank, what is it scouting for?

[@DerFauleHund]

The only thing that makes a little sense would be the claim that something of the size of a baneblade was considered scout tank in the great crusade.

[@Zych.Grzegorz]

I've always heard in those threads that the Baneblade was considered a scout vehicle in DAOT, not the Great Crusade.

[@Trepex_VE]

The title immediately brings to mind the scene about the Bradley's development

[@Aceshot-uu7yx]

It's a scout because it tells you the enemy position and number. The light from the thank shooting the enemy tell you where to go and the screams tell you two things, one where they are and two, that there are less of them than before.

[@eliseeker8301]

What do I think? I think I'm loving these Angry Uncle Rem's Unscripted Bitchings vids.

[@catsareevil101]

I had heard that they were "light" tanks and it seems it "telephoned" it from there to "scout tank" despite that making no sense at all as you showed.

[@danielbob2628]

I was told that Baneblades were scout tanks during the Dark Age. Then promptly forgot about it as I learned more about 40k. Now that you bring it up again, yeah, it's probably not true.

[@SamGray]

Now let's talk about the Imperial Guard Scout Army Group. It only consists of 54 Infantry Regiments, 28 Artillery Regiments, 8 Armoured Regiments and 200,000 logistics troops. Ideal for scouting.

[@variousnumber891]

I mean... The Baneblade and it's Variants being MBTs? Yes, definitely. A fucking Scout Tank? So what's the MBT in this world, the Squat built Leviathans or the Capitol Imperialis'? As you say, a Scout needs to be Agile, capable of seeing what the fuck is out there and telling it's bigger buddies what they need to atomize. If the Baneblade was a Scout Vehicle, then whatever the hell its reporting too would be A. Slow as a snail and B. Larger than a Warhound.

[@cleeiii357]

Even if its not designed to be one, I could see some Imperial Guard commander using it for scouting duty by being sent there first and soaking up tons of fire, instead of using speed and agility to not get hit, to report back to the main force about what they're gonna be up against. Also not related to my point and is from another completely separate IP, but If I remember correctly, Baserunners from Homeworld: Deserts of Krarak are much bigger than Baneblades of 40k and are mainly used for scouting and exploration.

[@arandomcommenter0135]

I thought the rumors was that it was a light tank, not a scout?

[@y8enjoyer]

1. On wiki there is only light tank category, so I assume they are the same categories of tanks 2. What does this changes? Either way baneblade can't be nor light nor scout tank. It's speed is 25km/hour. It is slow as shit

[@trickeyjamie]

The only instance of a Baneblade being a "scout" was when someone I was speaking to said it regarding the DoH. I can see it being classed a scout there (remember the absolute bullshit humanity could do during DoH). But like you said, it's way too slow.

[@SwedetasticGames]

Reminds of the sole mention in an old book of the Leman Russ being able to transform into Baneblade like some spacetimecontorting scuffed Transformer robot. Author must've been on some serious substances.

[@MyBlindThirdEye]

Okay, im getting into hot water here, but in the Great Crusade, where entire titan cohorts and space marine legions fought individual battles, the Baneblade does actually make sense as an auxillary, support-esque vehicle, akin to a scouting vehicle. Hear me out. With its massive array of armamemnts, it can defend itself from smaller threats with ease, and thanks to it hosting a plethora of command equipment, it can communicate and coordinate very effectively, as well as detection. This vehicle would serve as an amazing jumping off point for infantry scouts, and with a company of soldiers, would serve as an excellent mobile forward operating station, able to detect titan movements before they get in range of your more valuable units.

[@Azorees-oj5zr]

What you just described is a vanguard/command and control tank not a scout tank.

[@grims7583]

I agree, there are so many people that don't know anything about the subject matter, and yet act as if they were experts, just because. This applies not only to Warhammer ofc.

[@retroicdescent]

"It is the BANEBLAAAADE!"

[@minipancho94]

still dont recall the source, but this idea has been around since when I first started playing around 20 years ago, so it is definitely some old lore stuff and may have even been a single line dropped in a white dwarf. Another possible origin is the jokes based around Usarkar E. Creed's "tactical acumen" and his ability to allow silly things in the table top with his ability to allow anything, including titans, with the scout keyword to outflank and do other shenanigans. The one thing I am certain of though is some of the old lore did mention that the baneblade was a "LIGHT" tank during the dark age of technology and the war against the men of iron (a war where nanobot swarms ate entire planets and humans and xenos formed a coalition to fight them and nearly lost mind you). thanks to games like warthunder "LIGHT" tank has become synonamous with "SCOUT" tank, which are not the same thing. and considering the old Squat land trains and other mobile fortress tanks, the baneblade by tonnage alone could be considered light in comparison to such vehicles. as such, the Epic armageddon table top game materials might be worth looking through as well, due to its focus on huge war-machines.

[@SirArtanis7]

The Steiner Scout Squad disagrees. This tank is perfect for scouting!

[@davideddy8557]

I've always thought of "scout titans" as more of the "scout the range of the enemy firepower" titans lol. Every faction needs their sacrificial lamb, so to speak

[@Gustav_Kuriga]

I see that Steiner scout tanks are so stealthy they can sneak into completely different universes.

[@TenguTie]

Neutral steering, the ability to turn on the spot for tanks, wasn't widely implemented until after world war II, so way to advanced for guard tech, and a baneblade could be used in a force reconnaissance roll, that is to kick the enemy see how they respond then retreat and make a real plan based on how they reacted, which could also be called scouting.

[@bpwargaming7807]

It's called reconnaissance in force

[@animemanXLK]

If Baneblades truly were considered scout vehicles or equivilent to a Rhino APC the wtf did their main tanks look like? I mean imagine a rhino next to a landraider and imagine how huge the equivilent of that next to a Baneblade would have to be.

[@v1buster561]

There is always recon by force, show up and fire a few shots and let the enemy fire back to see what and where the enemy is BEFORE you do an actual assault, so in that case speed and manoeuvrability isn't as important.