Let's Talk About Different Therapies For Autistic People!

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@realpaigelayle 5 ай бұрын

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@JordanS-ww4eu 5 ай бұрын

I’m autistic too

@Poketrainerchase968 5 ай бұрын

I’m high functioning autism still got struggles tho this helped out a lot the sponsors funny too lol

@izzyhendrix2651 5 ай бұрын

I am autistic and have been in various therapy since 13 (36 now) and for the past few years I've done art therapy and found it really helpful.

@Isaac-hm6ih 5 ай бұрын

How does art therapy work? I don't know anything about it, but I do art and am currently trying to better incorporate my autistic elements, so this name sounds interesting.

@ayoolukoga9829 5 ай бұрын

Come unto me, all ye that Labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light. Matthew 11:28-30

@fdracnc 4 ай бұрын

@@ayoolukoga9829 h u h

@Catlily5 4 ай бұрын

I found art therapy helpful as well.

@trogdor9902 3 ай бұрын

@@ayoolukoga9829amen

@notjessica416 5 ай бұрын

I think the target demographic for ABA is also the target audience for Autism Speaks, TBH--it's for PARENTS who just want somebody else to "cure it" so they don't have to change any of their own habits to meet their autistic child's support needs. I think practically all of the CHILDREN would be better served if their parents committed to the TEACCH training to learn to regulate the child's environment, rather than putting the child in ABA to manipulate the child's behaviour.

@StillthatguyJake 5 ай бұрын

I am not a therapist...but I was a preschool teacher for almost a decade. Ironically, a students' parent actually alerted me to my possible ASD diagnosis. Anyway, preschool really does have a lot in common with play therapy. GO VOLUNTEER, Paige!!!! You'll freaking love it

@jamesrichardanthonywoodwri6797 5 ай бұрын

I'm an ABA Survivor, who forgot he had ABA then had a breakdown last year (2023) and now am reverting back to my authentic self. I was orginally given ABA for (and these were the things that I know about), to stop rocking, eye contact (to give eye contact to start conversations), to say yes to the question "Are you alright?" and i suspect sensory things as well. I had it when i was 5 and now am 32. I think ABA should be banned and should never be used. Additional Edit - The primary school I was at put me into ABA and didn't tell my parents about it - I knew I was different at five so they were better off giving me a diagnosis at that age would had helped more than ABA. I got diagnosed when I was 26

@delaneyjoy 5 ай бұрын

late-diagnosed autistic here, thank u for sharing your experience!! i never received ABA but from the moment i learned about it i was not a fan. i can't believe you were trained to respond "appropriately" to people asking how you are doing. to me, ABA just seems like it was made to help the person's autistic traits be more digestible to everyone else, rather than actually helping the autistic person. i know it has supposedly become better as of recently, but i am still so hesitant about it because of experiences like yours. i agree with all of the points paige mentioned. sending hugs

@natalieedelstein 5 ай бұрын

Same, forgot I ever had it until I realized later after my family finally told me about my autism diagnosis when I was 20 but was diagnosed at least 5 times by age 5, we think the first one was when I was age 2 or possibly a little younger. (Kept getting more opinions on it and they were unanimous.)

@silentlyjudgingyou 5 ай бұрын

ABA is abuse one of the reasons I'm glad to be late diagnosed is that my mother would have loved that crap. She liked things to look "normal" never mind the foundation is rotting

@GhostIntoTheFog 5 ай бұрын

Thank you for speaking out and sharing your story. There is no daylight between ABA and other forms of conversion therapy. I’m sorry for the trauma you were put through and hope we can one day succeed in abolishing ABA and holding its practitioners fully accountable for the harm they’ve done.

@martalaatsch8358 5 ай бұрын

Teaching an appropriate answer to "are you alright" makes me so angry. Do they somehow have no idea how *dangerous* that is? Even growing up undiagnosed had me hesitant to answer "are you alright?" correctly, which makes it so much harder to get emergency mental health care. The idea of teaching that in therapy is absolutely disgusting.

@BabyMango 3 ай бұрын

We were told to put our son in ABA after he would have continuous meltdowns. I gave him an allergy test instead and found out that he was slightly allergic to some things he was eating. I increased vitamins and probiotics. He’s now super duper happy. ABA was not needed. Most of the kids need their allergies and health analyzed

@natalieedelstein 5 ай бұрын

My favorite part about DBT is that it teaches emotion regulation, mindfulness, interpersonal effectiveness and distress tolerance SKILLS specific skills that worked really well with my autistic brain. DBT saved my life when the specialists said to my family I wouldn't survive the month. 6 years later, and I am thriving!

@pendafen7405 5 ай бұрын

Do you have any DBT self-help books or audios or videos to recommend? Looking for DBT for autistic PDA but actual therapy is beyond my financial means at this time.

@natalieedelstein 5 ай бұрын

@pendafen7405 just the standard DBT book 2nd edition by Marsha Linehan and her workbook to go with it made a HUGE difference.

@Catlily5 4 ай бұрын

I found DBT over all very helpful as well. It is very practical which was helpful for me.

@Emarie468 5 ай бұрын

I’ve been in a DBT program for two years now, and it actually changed my life. I was diagnosed with BPD, because my adhd and autism were undiagnosed for 24 years and just festered into all kinds of issues (ed, trauma, anxiety, self harm, attachment issues, substance issues)… Two years into DBT and I no longer meet criteria for BPD, and am learning how to understand and respond (or not respond) to my emotions. I love the idea that all emotions are valid, just maybe not justified for the situation. I also love the structure and rigidity of the group and homework! I will say that it is the kind of therapy that you have to COMMIT to, and can’t do passively. That’s why I’ve stayed in the program for so long. But the outcome that I’m now seeing is that I’m finding myself for the first time in my life, and my insides don’t feel like dark stormy chaos. I can identify emotions, sit with them, and problem solve if needed. Also yes DBT did become one of my special interests haha

@RambleMaven 5 ай бұрын

I wish there were more studies on DBT for Autism & ADHD because I feel like CBT can only get you so far imo.

@cda6590 5 ай бұрын

@@RambleMaven I am specifically going to school to do that very thing. DBT along with PAP (psychedelic-assisted psychotherapy; ketamine, psilocybin, MDMA, and LSD) with a particular emphasis on those of us with c-PTSD. The PAP would essentially be supplemental to the DBT, which would be foundational and prerequisite.

@cda6590 5 ай бұрын

Certain personality disorders (schizotypal and schizoid, off the top of my head) have as a part of their diagnostic criteria that the patient not be on the autism spectrum. I know that such a stipulation unfortunately wouldn't help the undiagnosed, but do you feel like this criterion should be added to BPD as well? I feel like particularly during adolescents if an autistic individual is repeatedly exposed to trauma and subsequent repeated meltdowns, a lot of us are going to behave and respond in ways that heavily resemble borderline personality disorder. I hope that when you say you no longer meet the criteria this means you've gotten a clinical psychologist to explicitly state this. Having an ASD diagnosis already carries with it enough stigma--never mind whatever trauma you've been saddled with as a result. Giving someone a *personality disorder* diagnosis on top of all that seems like it would be counterproductive in most cases.

@Emarie468 5 ай бұрын

@@cda6590 I no longer meet the criteria, as in my therapist and psychiatrist have stated that explicitly:). They also agree that it was most likely a misdiagnosis. I presented with the symptoms, because of the undiagnosed ADHD and Autism. I hope that makes sense! It’s been a long, convoluted process. I’m no longer seeing the professionals who gave me the BPD diagnosis.

@cda6590 5 ай бұрын

@@Emarie468 It makes total sense because it's a story I've seen play out many, many times over. I wasn't diagnosed AuADHD until 31 and in my official psychiatric records it has written in one of the margins in pen "cluster B?" The only thing that kept me from a BPD misdiagnosis was a Y chromosome.

@Minakie 5 ай бұрын

As a SLP, I laughed out loud when you mentioned we are specialists on the mouth. That was spot on though because we don't just help people with language and speech, we also help them with chewing and swallowing (e.g.: premature babies or people who had a stroke). To clarify, generalization is basically making sure that your client is able to use the skills that you're teaching them across multiple contexts. You want them to be able to use the same exact still at home, in school, at the supermarket, at their workplace, etc. It should always be a therapeutic goal not just for ABA therapy but also for things like occupational therapy and SLP.

@cda6590 5 ай бұрын

imo "Mouth Specialist" sounds way cooler and less pathologizing than SLP. Plus I think it'd make for a nice icebreaker during prospective interviews

@alrighttumbleweed4782 Ай бұрын

@@cda6590 could be a decent or terrible pickup line too depending on the audience

@tiffanylbacon 3 ай бұрын

So before I realized I was autistic I thought ABA was the thing to do for my kiddo (autistic). The more I think about it the more it disturbs me. Who determines what is appropriate behavior? All it teaches is how to mask to make OTHER people comfortable. Growing up in a disciplinarian home also teaches a child to do “appropriate “ behaviors (my past). So as an autism mom I was teaching my son to mask, shoving him into a NT box, because I wanted to protect him. At home we celebrate his autism because home is safe. Now that I know I’m autistic I realize that I was shoved in a NT box. A lifetime of masking has left me questioning who I am. I do NOT want that for my son. Now, I encourage him to be himself. And we can stim together. ❤

@sarahmiller5819 5 ай бұрын

Your description of OT was so beautiful…I love what I do and try so hard to make everyone around me feel safe and safe to let their inner child out and playyyyy 🥰🥰🥰

@pendafen7405 5 ай бұрын

Currently in free CBT because it's all that I can afford. My 'therapist' is getting more out of it than me, I'm basically having to waste every session to teach this old man about autism in women.

@emilybeck9756 3 ай бұрын

I work with toddlers and I am so grateful for play therapists, OTs, and PTs. They are truly a blessing. Hate ABA as well

@Apoetsnature 5 ай бұрын

I read in the book Unmasking autism , it said how CBT can sometimes be unhelpful because our thoughts and experiences can be very real and challenging a thought or experience that was factual can be invalidating , could you possibly touch more on that in another video ?

@amandamandamands 5 ай бұрын

That is why I don't like CBT, there is someone there that is deciding on if the thoughts you are having are faulty and so need to be changed or if they are real. Problem is that if they don't listen well or can't conceptualise your life experience then they are telling you that something is faulty when it is based off of real experiences that you have had. That is one reason that DBT was created, the creator notice that there was a section of people who did CBT and it made them worse (including herself). That is why DBT focuses on communicating in the here and now and acknowledges that you have big emotions and have had things happen to you.

@maddienoelle22 5 ай бұрын

Yeah, CBT is basically gaslighting. Not a fan and I don’t think it should be used with anyone who has cPTSD.

@ayoolukoga9829 5 ай бұрын

@pendafen7405 5 ай бұрын

In the NHS Health Service (England & Wales), the only free or low-cost therapy options offered to patients & workers is CBT. It's a joke.

@alrighttumbleweed4782 Ай бұрын

@@maddienoelle22 CBT is an abuser's wingman. Teaching people to abandon their instincts and do mental gymnastics so that they can tolerate the intolerable.

@taylorfrink1182 5 ай бұрын

DBT was so helpful for the aspects of my autism I struggle most with. it doesn't focus on changing our inherent selves but moreso on teaching distress tolerance skills, mindfulness, how communicate more effectively during meltdowns and just in general, etc etc etc it has helped me way more than I would have ever imagined going into it

@maddienoelle22 5 ай бұрын

“Distress tolerance skills” that sounds a whole lot like ABA

@ayoolukoga9829 5 ай бұрын

@stankatbarrell9878 2 ай бұрын

@maddienoelle22 I don't think they mean that in a negative way, just that in some cases changing our environment or using assistive tech doesn't work or isn't available. It's important to learn non harmful stimming and other reactions. For example it's not fair to my mom if I yell in her face everytime im overstimulated. Instead I ask to be left alone. That type of stuff counts as distress tolerance.

@taylorfrink1182 2 ай бұрын

@@maddienoelle22 what a weird take that distress tolerance skills are automatically ABA lmfao. they are extremely useful for not living in constant distress and not wanting to actually off myself all the time, and helping me get off the bathroom floor and redirect when my distress is making me physically ill which has helped me actually finally not be underweight anymore. DBT is its own thing, extremely effective and well studied. if people learning how to cope with their immense anxieties and distress a little better is "ABA" then guess what, ABA in that respect would be good then. but it isn't the same at all, people who just get their "knowledge" on TikTok shouldn't speak on what they have no clue about cause you can cause direct harm to other autistic people

@taylorfrink1182 2 ай бұрын

@@stankatbarrell9878 seriously, distress tolerance skills aren't a bad thing lol what a strange way to think

@Msfaithshirley 3 ай бұрын

After reviewing what you provided, I want to share that I am autistic and a survivor of a narcissistic and physically abusive relationship. The techniques used on these children in therapies like ABA are the same techniques that abusers use to groom their victims. Just as a person trying to unpack 20 years of that abuse, 8 years of trauma from the military, and 46 years of not knowing I was autistic is like a time bomb waiting to happen. I am simply willing to talk to these people and advocate for more holistic means of treating these children as human beings.

@francesbale1409 5 ай бұрын

As an autistic occupational therapist i have to commend your segment about OT it literally made me SO EMOTIONAL. You explained such a complex profession incredibly well. Its a bit of a running joke that OT's can barely explain what OT is because it is so vast. Its so hard being a disabled OT, i recently had to quit my job at a MH hospital because i was struggling so much with my executive functioning and mental health and the unpredictability of the day. Oh and saying good morning to many people in a row made me want to go home after 30 minutes. I am just about to enter into a position in health and care research which i think will probably be easier going to my autistic brain but i will definitely remain in the OT realm. Training as an OT was so hard, but nothing will take away the fact i am an OT and i will be forever now

@Isaac-hm6ih 5 ай бұрын

It sounds like a huge portion of it is actually teaching people the kind of basic things which the world at large tends to assume people will absorb via telepathy, the kind of thing autistic people often get left without.

@LocalPest 5 ай бұрын

Going to occupational therapy was the first time I actually felt understood and not infantilized when working with a mental health professional, occupational therapists seem pretty genuine and really nice. Occupational therapy is a gem of a profession in my experience and it's great that you're passionate about it

@amandamandamands 5 ай бұрын

@@Isaac-hm6ih That is part of it, when I first started seeing my OT the first thing that she did was work out a sensory profile for me as that gives a better idea of what things are more likely to sooth my system than overdo it. She also helped me get things like a good set of headphones and glasses for light sensitivity (before I was diagnosed I didn't realise that I had any sensory issues). She also explained interoception and proprioception to me and how they quite often vary for autistic people.

@JonBrase 5 ай бұрын

OT was actually quite helpful in getting my autism diagnosis 30-ish years later. The OT at my elementary school left *tons* of useful information about my childhood behavior in my IEPs. The state of human knowledge wasn't quite to the point where I could be diagnosed then, but a ton of stuff was documented whether or not it was germane to the fine/gross motor issues I was in OT for.

@maddienoelle22 5 ай бұрын

We really need OT for autistic adults. I honestly really needed OT as a child but never got a diagnosis so I didn’t get it. Now as an adult I still need OT but there literally aren’t any programs for autistic adults. It’s so frustrating!

@pandasroc9992 5 ай бұрын

Hi! I am a RBT and the company I work for specifically focuses on assent and naturalistic teaching. We don't make children sit at a table and we don't teach replacement behaviors for stimming! I have heard about terrible TERRIBLE ABA centers and it makes me sick. It's messed up as heck to make 3 year olds sit at a table for 8 hours doing pointless things. We make sure we are primarily teaching functional communication so the kiddos can tell us what they need and want rather than hurting themselves or others. For example, if a kiddo wants to play with cars, that is an opportunity to teach what sound a car makes, how to ask for toys we want, playing with others, etc. I really hope that all ABA therapy centers turn to doing things this way. It feels a LOT more like play therapy than sterotypical ABA. I would love to hear what else you have to say about it though! And from others as well! As an autistic person who was never able to go to therapy, I don't feel like this companies approach to ABA is bad.

@kati4590 5 ай бұрын

Now this is the therapy autistic kids need

@catz5377 4 ай бұрын

Thank you for this. The ONLY therapies I ever hear about other than ABA, are speech and OT. I didn't really know about any of the others, at least not specifically for autistic people. I also think CBT could be really beneficial for me, after you explained it

@dakotabanks4615 4 ай бұрын

I’d also like to mention ACT, acceptance and commitment therapy. It’s sort of like a cousin to DBT (my experience)

@yourmanjoe4234 5 ай бұрын

I’m autistic and it’s hard for me to accept it. I feel like I have so many hinderances. I’m trying my best everyday. It’s just brutal because everything is harder, like jobs, school, dating. I feel so dumb and inferior.

@macgonzo 5 ай бұрын

Adult diagnosed person here, I had CBT before being diagnosed as I had suffered from severe depression for most of my life. It doesn't address the underlying root causes of a person's mental health issues, but it does help in the moment as it gives you the tools you need to understand your thought processes that end up with being depressed. It's based on Buddhism, and after I finished my sessions I started researching Buddhist practice. It made a lot of sense to me, and after practicing Buddhism (basically CBT with extra steps) for around 7 years I managed to beat my depression. I've been free from it for over 10 years now! Looking back, I can see why it worked for me when nothing else did, and that's because CBT (and Buddhism) are very logical - it makes sense to me, I understand the process. I'm not into the "religious" aspects of Buddhism, but the philosophy and practical side of it worked for me.

@ayoolukoga9829 5 ай бұрын

@macgonzo 5 ай бұрын

@@ayoolukoga9829 I didn't ask you to push your Christian nonsense in my face, kindly keep your delusions to yourself.

@aleksandragieralt7370 4 ай бұрын

Isn't DBT the one based on Buddhism or are they both?

@b-midbar 3 ай бұрын

I interrupted the video before even finishing to say that 'speech language pathogen' is giving me killer sci-fi novel ideas hahahaha

@brittanydaniels1102 5 ай бұрын

Speech Language Pathologist (SLP) also known as a speech therapist also works on improving executive functioning skills, problem solving skills and things like a weak auditory working memory or a weak visual working memory for example.

@LuannAnzivino 3 ай бұрын

ABA was horrible for my grandson. First time in preschool and it was a bad experience for both of us. The teacher kept punishing him and provoked him to the level that caused him to be so frustrated that "she" said he was throwing chairs and hitting her. Every time I picked him up from school he was sobbing. He wasn't receptive or reflective and couldn't really tell what was going on, but I found out. We pulled him out and he went to a new school. He's high functioning and after a few times with a new ABA teacher, they said he didn't need ABA any more.

@boi905 5 ай бұрын

Your book is amazing I listened on Audible and thank you so much for writing it you’re my favorite autistic content creator and I hope your day is amazing because you’re amazing 😊

@realpaigelayle 5 ай бұрын

Omg YOURE amazing, thank you so much!!!🩷😫 I hope you have an amazing day!!

@johnfist6220 5 ай бұрын

I love 70s Paige Layle.

@kant12 5 ай бұрын

I've done PT for neck and back issues over the years and I've learned that I was doing pretty much nothing correctly lol.

@melissaashleyy 5 ай бұрын

same currently going through this right now 😢

@kant12 5 ай бұрын

@@melissaashleyy good luck!

@yarnpenguin 5 ай бұрын

Since KZbin comment sections are never toxic 😅 I'll admit that I--autistic with ADHD, depression, anxiety, and a little sprinkling of bpd thanks to trauma--did a round of CBT for several months years ago and it did the opposite of helping. It genuinely, truly, messed me up, because my interpretation of what it was teaching me was that everything was my fault because I had bad thoughts and emotions, so, for instance, I could positively think my way through dealing with my dad's alcoholism. Social situations weren't something that made me unsafe, I was just thinking bad thoughts. My goodness, that therapist was *really* hell-bent on making me interact with people despite the way I'd just break down in tears every single time we talked about it. And this is *clearly* just a "my therapist at the time" thing, but she didn't want me continue to use any form of art or creativity as mindfulness because she didn't believe that those *were* mindfulness.

@fabianavalentino6304 5 ай бұрын

nah i feel you, as a therapist i don't like cognitive therapies, feels like gaslighting my patient xd

@missoats8731 5 ай бұрын

Very interesting to hear different perspectives on it. Did you know you're autistic at the time? I'm looking for the right kind of therapy myself at the moment, i'm ADHD and likely autistic. Maybe it would help to find a CBT professional who's specialized in Autism and ADHD (which, in my opinion, should be basic knowledge for any therapist anyway). An autistic person I know got to hear a lot of "stop avoiding social situations" and stuff like that, which I really don't need.

@yarnpenguin 5 ай бұрын

@@fabianavalentino6304 okay, yes, I didn't want to use the word because I think too many people misunderstand/misuse it to simply mean "lying" or "disagreeing", but in the classical sense--trying to convince someone reality isn't what it is--yeah, it really fit. I was gaslighting myself.

@yarnpenguin 5 ай бұрын

@@missoats8731 I didn't know I'm autistic or have ADHD at the time, and I don't know if knowing that would've made a difference--it was very prescriptive b/c it was a group rather than one-on-one. I think if you're able to find a therapist who *really* knows how differently the autistic brain in particular works, especially re: how our brains don't respond nearly as well to "exposure therapy" as the allistic population, that might help. We're *not* imagining that people treat us badly or that everyday life is a challenge. We genuinely *do* find some things sensorily/emotionally overwhelming and being constantly forced to endure them can make things worse and not better, etc. One-on-one with a therapist who's really familiar with autistic people, especially autistic adults rather than children, could be massively more beneficial than a group. I think for bog-standard situational (ie temporary, b/c of job loss, bereavement, short-term stress, etc) depression or anxiety, CBT could indeed be beneficial. But my needs are more complex than that just on the basis of autism, so I ended up really hurt from it, by forcing myself to endure more social situations and other sensory issues and flat-out convinced me I was wrong about my lived reality. I'm *still* struggling with always thinking I'm the problem. Because with the way this therapy was done, well, I was always the lowest common denominator in my life, right? Every situation that was difficult and upsetting involved *me*, right? Therefore: me = the problem. All these years later, I can't let go of that thinking.

@missoats8731 5 ай бұрын

@@yarnpenguin Thanks for taking the time to explain it to me. My thought was that if you would've known about being autistic and ADHD and would have already reflected about these conditions before therapy, maybe you would've known from the start that you are not the problem and therefore would have been less likely to get hurt from the CBT approach. But one can only speculate. I am going through Autism assessment right now and the same people are offering CBT should I get diagnosed, so I am very interested in hearing people's experiences.

@missoats8731 5 ай бұрын

I'm getting occupational therapy for my ADHD completely covered by insurance here in Germany (it's a blast by the way) and I think it's the same for Autism. So it depends on where you're living.

@maddienoelle22 5 ай бұрын

I’ve actually had some pretty bad experiences with CBT personally. Part of the issue may be that I have alexithymia. I struggle a lot to put my thoughts and feelings into words. I also just don’t really feel like I have control over my thoughts. My therapist actually said that she doesn’t think that CBT really works for autistic people (she is autistic herself) and I agree with her. CBT focuses far too much on changing thoughts when what autistic people usually need is a change to their environment. Meditation isn’t just difficult for me, it’s actively distressing. I have a horrible sense of proprioception (kinesthesia) so trying to focus on the way my body feels is nearly impossible. I know it works for some autistic people, but it certainly does not work for me. All of the CBT/DBT therapists that I’ve met have insisted on mindfulness/meditation when I’ve tried to explain time and time again that it doesn’t work for me.

@ayoolukoga9829 5 ай бұрын

@DizzehxxMitizzeh42 4 ай бұрын

None of the physical therapists I've seen seem to be able to actually always recognize when I'm using the wrong muscles for things, and they don't tell me how I'm supposed to know or where I'm supposed to feel an exercise, or what muscle/muscles we're targeting.

@emilybagnald8407 5 ай бұрын

Hi Paige. If you do a part two I recommend you talk about art therapy and expressive arts therapies. I’m a senior AT student (SO close to done) and I’m working on learning to provide neuroaffirming art therapy for autistic folks. It’s super cool! P.S. Your book was great! 😊🎨

@jacobyshaddix32 20 күн бұрын

Speech therapy helped me a lot. My speech therapist at my school is awesome.

@bautistafuentes730 5 ай бұрын

Yo occupacional therapy! Thats me!! Im studing it!!!

@michaelshipley1999 5 ай бұрын

Autist and former RBT here. I quit after being in the job for under a year when I began to read up on the history of the therapy and read testimonies from people who had received the therapy, as well as just witnessing things that frustrated myself as an autistic person myself (needing to get confirmation from the client that they needed a break even when it was clear their executive function was compromised, as well as insurance hanging over our heads like the sword of damocles to delivery trials when it wasn't wise to). Now I'm moving on to become a different needs instructor.

@GhostIntoTheFog 5 ай бұрын

I’m sorry you had to learn the hard way that ABA is an industry of abuse. I’m even more sorry for the children you participated in harming, who deserved access to legitimate therapies and supports.

@ayoolukoga9829 5 ай бұрын

@caseunwinder 3 ай бұрын

You should post something somewhere.

@magicalspacegiraffe 5 ай бұрын

Yo Samdy Sam spoke about EMDR therapy and thanks to her I tried that. I'm not diagnosed with autism but her explanation resonated with my fears about therapy. Basically, in EMDR, you don't talk so much as you go over traumatic memories in your head while the therapist guides your eye movements. Personally, when deeply upset, I can't quite speak - my mind works, I just for some reason can't form words. Might be childhood trauma, I don't know, either way - an effective therapy where I didn't have to talk through the hardest parts was godsent. I would suggest it to anyone with traumatic memories, neuro divergent or not.

@gaines_gal 5 ай бұрын

Oh! TEACCH does do therapy as well! My daughter took to it like a fish 🐠. It is also where both my daughter and I were diagnosed. I cannot say enough wonderful things about them. If I can find a video of one of her sessions I will try to send it your way. And to expand on your point the TEACCH certification is beneficial for nearly everyone including parents who do not have Autistic children. Additionally, they will go to many schools and do trainings with the staff to get them certified. I know TEACCH started in NC and to my knowledge they are still only based for clinical services in NC though anyone can receive a certification because they offer online trainings.

@gaines_gal 5 ай бұрын

AND TEACCH was covered by our insurance.

@shyshiro 5 ай бұрын

Hello everyone ^^ hope your day goes great!

@lolofunslayer4953 5 ай бұрын

Don’t forget DIR floor time! It’s play based behavior therapy and it addresses a lot of the historic and ongoing issues with ABA.

@caseunwinder 3 ай бұрын

Floor time is not behavior-based, that I know of. It is play-based, and lead by the child.

@micaelamorgan8615 5 ай бұрын

Thank you for talking about play therapy, CBT, and DBT

@miserymaeve91 5 ай бұрын

just hearing you talking about proprioceptive senses and feeling understood in that sense is mind blowing lol. Everyone looks at me like I'm an alien when I talk about interoceptive, proprioceptive and other more complex senses.

@DeepFriedLife37 4 ай бұрын

As an occupational therapist I can say you described our profession beautifully!

@aprilcalquhoun6783 21 күн бұрын

I practice OT in a pediatric clinic. We LOOOOOVE Sensory and Autism 🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰 Get your kid an appointment with your pediatric doctor and get an OT referral to help your child. 🎉

@thetonytaye 5 ай бұрын

1:27 The *excitement* with which this phrase is said 😂

@thomasmacdonald4653 5 ай бұрын

I have gotten the most value out of somatic therapy and trauma-informed talk therapy. Somatic therapy helps with emotional regulation and interoception. Talk therapy is nice because I have someone who actually listens with curiosity and tries to understand me. It has given me the validation I needed but didn't get as a child.

@ayoolukoga9829 5 ай бұрын

@zinobi 27 күн бұрын

I seem to recall that acupuncture does have some evidence for some pain conditions but for everything else it is on par with raindance.

@Lexyn1234 5 ай бұрын

RBT here. I agree with a lot of the things you've mentioned. I do have a Bachelors and was starting a masters to become a licensed therapist through Social work and am doing this as a stepping stone job. But yes, a high school diploma and the training program is what is required. We also have to pass a few exams. Theres a lot of personal opinions that some BCBAs and RBTs hold over how therapy should be. Some BCBAs and RBTs do care about socially appropriate behavior. Personally, I dont care about things like stimming. The field has evolved a lot and some of the clients have improved with SIB, tantrums, elopement, etc. Basically all the behaviors that can cause harm. With my client, my client was crying and having tantrums in OT and speech to the point that the therapy couldnt be done and they had SIB. Yes, i also believe ABA is a last resort and it sucks thats what mostly insurance covers. My biggest issue with my training was that i kept waiting to learn about autistic experiences as opposed to "treating behaviors." I am the person who does what the BCBA instructs me to and im supervised. Luckily my BCBA is more modern with their approach. We dont encourage eye contact. But i know theres a lot of things that can be a lot better. I think it should be a basic requirement to learn about sensory issues, emotional regulation and so on that autistic people experience. To me thats the only way that it makes sense to maintain client dignity. Im hoping the field makes big changes moving forward in the future because sadly theres a lot of people that still stick with outdated methods and the current methods still need lots of improvements.

@GhostIntoTheFog 5 ай бұрын

Outdated methods? Like the ones the ABA practitioners at the Judge Rotenberg Center use? ABA is an industry of abuse, and you are a participant in it, regardless of how benignly or enlightened you see yourself or your methods of choice. (Keep telling yourself the harm you’re doing every day at work is just a “stepping stone” to something better, if it helps you sleep at night.)

@nadineo1983 Ай бұрын

My 2.5 year old was just diagnosed with autism and an anxiety disorder. Let someone touch my child and make her more upset and anxious and i will flip my shit. It makes me pissed off even thinking about it. i would NEVER put my baby into ABA

@Ghoulbum 4 ай бұрын

Play therapy or being a play therapist sounds fun. On a few occasions with my ex fiance, we visited her family, and somehow, I always ended up playing with the children. Whether it was reading them stories at their request or playing with transformers, it just turned out that way. It was funny because one of the moms, after my ex fiance and her sisters came back from talking, was so surprised because she wasn't expecting me to still be playing with her kid and basically praised me because as she said "his dad won't even play with him for that long". I guess it had been an hour or something (I'll zone out, and time means nothing to me, especially if I'm having fun). It was fun and cost me nothing. I also remember having a therapist as a kid, and all we mostly did was play because I wouldn't really talk. We played hacky sack, and it was fun.

@marcyanne8910 5 ай бұрын

i not only want to experience these therapies but want to be educated in them

@sciencenotsrigma 5 ай бұрын

Having taken Psychopharmacology, recently, I concur that it’s definitely a whole nother thing, in itself. It took SO long to memorize all the medications used to treat certain conditions! I didn’t eat or sleep much, all semester and, like many autistic folks, I’m good at memorization So glad that’s over with! I am glad I learned it, though. I have dispensed medications, and I have had them both prescribed and dispensed to me incorrectly (without checking for interactions, or dosing instructions). I’m glad I know how not to do this, as I am lucky to have survived those incidents! Thanks for the excellent information!!! ❤ P.S. My dentist told me I had to have an endodontist do my root canals, because I have teeth with extra nerves and extra nerve roots. Is this an autism thing? I know we have extra nerve pathways, in the brain, due to our brains doing less synaptic pruning. Do we have extra nerves in our mouths? Maybe that’s one of those things a speech therapist would know.

@johnlechago8109 4 ай бұрын

I like the decor of your room.

@aaronbouma3385 5 ай бұрын

It’s great to see you here Paige

@veronicabramlett2005 4 ай бұрын

While you were talking about animal therapy and realized my younger sister, who is Autistic even though she won't admit it, basically got herself into animal therapy by volunteering at the Girl Scout horse barn every Saturday and Sunday for like 6+ years, plus working every summer. The things that can fall into place!

@JonBrase 5 ай бұрын

3:48 My OT didn't involve a ton of equipment, most of what I remember of it was tracing letters over and over again, because my handwriting was *atrocious* during my first couple years of elementary school.

@Krista-388 5 ай бұрын

um yes to Occupational Therapy (OT) ! it does look fun... and they tend to apply an "out of the box/creative" style of thinking and supporting. I know for myself, the usual suspects don't help (that can a few meanings) - I need modified or totally new to me tools and techniques. I have an OT intake at the end of July, and they specialise in supporting autistic people

@Zebo262 4 ай бұрын

Play therapy is awesome 💙. People use it in counselling for children and adults. (Counselling/art therapy interests, psychology, philosophy etc). Art has a similar physical and psychological impact to smiling and being in/viewing nature. Shinrin Yoku. Either viewing art or creating it has the same positive impact. Creating art can help process thoughts and emotions that are difficult to figure out, or that there aren't words for. Also being able to enter a state of flow (/possibly hyperfocus...... Very similar, though not sure of any connections). A lot of the time play therapy, is an activity to do, that can help ease the awkwardness of talking about uncomfortable things. Or that just makes it easier because the focus is on play, doing something that helps you feel calm as well (^_^) helping you to open up more. Person centered/ Humanistic approach, CBT (cognitive behavioural therapy), and psychodynamic are the three main veins that every other form of counselling forms from. CBT is usually time and goal orientated so it might make sense why you felt the way about it that you did. It's structured and organised. Person centered is more about you just talking, and actively being listened to, with the idea that you are born with all the tools you need to help you navigate life for you. A similar concept to having confidence in yourself, almost. You are capable, you just might have felt as though you've lost it somewhere along the way through different experiences. It focuses on putting the person at the centre of the therapy/first and fore most.

@brnne 4 ай бұрын

My therapist is a marxist therapist, it has a social and cultural aproach. I think it works great for me

@animemangaman4866 5 ай бұрын

Happy Autistic Pride Day ♾

@Yuffie13 5 ай бұрын

So, I don't have an "official" diagnosis, so my psychiatrist mainly focuses on my anxiety. I had CBT for social anxiety, and while it had some benefits like teaching me not to mind-read or catastrophize, I do think it's a wee bit gaslight-y for autistic folks. My anxiety about making phone calls isn't going to go away with exposure therapy; there's always going to be a chance that my capacity to Make the Words will just vanish. And sometimes it's not "just in my head" that people hate me; some people are just assholes who see my autistic ass coming and go, "Oh great, another one." (And, you know... a good chunk of my extended family really DO hate me.) I also saw an OT with the aim of getting help in writing a resume and applying for jobs. I told her I was autistic, but she seemed to not really get that I might not be a good fit to work in a pet store or a coffee shop. And she didn't really help with writing a resume; the most she did was say, "Oh, I heard about this job posting!" and showed me a rough draft of how to write a cover letter. I don't think she was a bad person, but she just didn't understand how autism works. But the worst part was when my psychiatrist was leaving the hospital outpatient clinic, and she acted like I already knew (my OT appointments were before my regular therapy appointments, same day, same building). Then I got to my other appointment and was confused and my psychiatrist said she was going into her own practice, and I told her what the OT was saying and she was all, "I'm so sorry you found out that way, the OT shouldn't have told you before I did." So yeah. I have a bit of a biased view of both. I would have LOVED some kind of animal therapy as a kid, though. But our house has always had at least one dog, so I kind of created my own animal therapy, I guess. I definitely think one of our terriers was autistic, because she never seemed to "get" how other dogs worked.

@ninaandianfan21 5 ай бұрын

I (f, 30) have had OT for maybe 2-3 years as a pre teen/ teen + a couple of attempts let’s call them as an adult. Hated every single second of it and will now do anything in my power to avoid having to do this ever again 🙈 I never understood the purpose of this therapy and my unwillingness to go do that probably also comes from my tendencies to not want to do what others are telling me unless they give a reasonable explanation as to why I should do that (it has to be logical to me though)… for me it was a lot of painting pictures, crafting and doing concentration training with games or on the computer and stuff like that. I don’t remember too much tbh… anyway … I just hated it. Recently I had to give it another try because it was part of a program but I refused so much that finally I was allowed to just go sit by myself and do special interest stuff which may not have been the best behavior on my part but yeah… Physical therapy I have also had quite a bit but mostly for my hip which has nothing to do with being Audhd (I think) 😄. Very informative video though, Paige! Gotta say I love how calm these videos are (no background noise and such THANK YOU!!!). 🙏🏻

@The-Kwak 5 ай бұрын

Hi I love your videos I feel like they have described things I couldn't put words to for a long time. I was curious about if you know any studies on maladaptive daydreaming and if there is a link to autism/adhd?

@chrismaxwell1624 4 ай бұрын

My first exposure to Occupational therapy was in schools and that was such a joke. I talked talk to OT at work though. Totally different. Seem to me in schools here they employ Occupational Therapists but don't let them do anything except for small approved list of thing that don't even make sense in more cases. Music therapy seem to work great. Art therapy too.

@avocadomegs4189 5 ай бұрын

Combination of DIR Floortime therapy and the LAMP program has been the best thing for our daughter! I was totally resistant to using a device and program, but the way her SLP has presented and uses it in DIR is totally different and it’s been so helpful! She really enjoys her time with her SLP too, they have such a special bond❤ her SLP also runs an animal rescue, and incorporates the animals into it our sessions. (I go to every session with her to play and the rest of the family is encouraged to come as well, it’s an entire different vibe than any other therapy we’ve tried in the past!!) My daughter LOVES animals so it’s been super successful for her, Sooo much progress over the past 8 months & she recently started riding sessions with one of the therapy pony’s 🥹😌

@blu_heron 5 ай бұрын

The fun surprise about DBT was finding how a year later the skills I learned in DBT became instinctual.

@Justthinkitsophie 5 ай бұрын

I had physical therapy because I was falling too much , also placed in ballet that I picked up later again

@katiephillips7814 4 ай бұрын

Generalization of skills means to use skills in different contexts

@sciencenotsrigma 5 ай бұрын

Having taken a Psychopharmacology class, recently, I can confirm that medication is a whole mother thing!

@bdhesse 5 ай бұрын

I've only had the opportunity to do CBT and DBT since I wasn't diagnosed until I was an adult and I don't really have the money for the others for myself. However, my daughter has done speech and is starting PT and OT. She really enjoyed speech and I hope PT and OT will be the same. I'd love to get her into animal therapy for her anxiety, but we don't currently have the funds for it. Maybe we'll be able to pull it off in a few years. In the meantime, I'm using a CBT for kids book with her at home. So far it does seem to be helping. Personally, I prefer DBT to CBT, but there don't seem to be any options for DBT for kids (heck, there are barely any options for adults around here).

@BipolarCourage 5 ай бұрын

DBT was developed for borderline personality disorder, I have read.

@amandamandamands 5 ай бұрын

Yes, turns out the creator also has borderline and created it as something to help herself. The skills in it are useful if they are something that you haven't worked out for yourself, there is a module that goes through the typical way that different emotions feel in your body so that you can start connecting what your body is telling you to emotion words, also big on teaching distraction and self soothing as ways to calm your system.

@BipolarCourage 5 ай бұрын

@@amandamandamands yes I thought she mentioned she thought she had BPD but I wasn't sure if actually diagnosed

@jakeyilmaz 5 ай бұрын

I am autistic and I have autism I have therapy I love your autism videos you are pretty in all of your KZbin videos I love you!🙂

@aellaaskew4263 5 ай бұрын

It sounds like you had really positive therapy experiences. I didn't. I'm late dx'd autistic, CBT sent me on a trauma spiral, it "opened my pandora's box" and striped me of coping mechanisms while I'm still very much in a survival situation. DBT doesn't take into consideration the otherness of a person in a group that would single them out and ostracized them from both therapist and other group members. For example I have a tic disorder, I stand out like a sore thumb in any DBT group meeting. I end up having to explaining myself instead of actually participating earnestly in the program.

@Scatscar1985 4 ай бұрын

I had occupational therapy when I was in rehab after my stroke...

@selvmordspilot 5 ай бұрын

I've tried cbt and really liked it. But it's very expensive, and also my genitals hurt a lot after.

@Joepage69 4 ай бұрын

That what im saying broo. Imagine getting cbt to help with your cbt self harm problem.

@ramcool2 3 ай бұрын

They always told me I was bipolar but I was never bipolar finally went to a real psychologist ADHD autism but a lot of anxiety😂 like okay and a lot a lot of dyslexia

@katiedoggett8518 Ай бұрын

I have never gotten diagnosed with autism I know what is is (I am 10) but now that I have paid attention I really do have the symptoms 😮😅❤

@TomsOnUK 5 ай бұрын

Really informative

@DavidLindes 5 ай бұрын

Aww, I was hoping this video would cover ACT - Acceptance and Commitment Therapy. It's one I don't have much experience with, and want to know more about. Ah well, I'll find other videos about it, I guess? If you ever revisit this, though, I'd love to see that one included!

@thetonytaye 5 ай бұрын

She actually does have a video dedicated to ACT: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aWLFcmd-ibCWnassi=gSJ3PYxIgBH3C9Rg

@DavidLindes 5 ай бұрын

@@thetonytaye oooh, cool; thanks! Will watch that now. :)

@hannah-lk3oc 2 ай бұрын

I’ve always had a hard time with CBT. I find that I just end up masking the whole time and seem to be pushed further into masking rather than unmasking and actually feeling my emotions. I have a hard time understanding and feeling my emotions so I end up just doing and saying what the therapist expects me to do and say rather than authentically engaging. Maybe I need a better therapist that is autism informed but I’ve not gotten what I hoped for out of therapy

@vikam5201 4 ай бұрын

Somatic experiencing therapy is good

@wesbror5731 11 күн бұрын

I work in ABA myself as a therapist and... since i've seen some of your videos, I havent found there any relation to the things I am doing really. ABA that i know is completely different from ABA you're describing, yet it is ABA. We do not punish, we do not touch children etc. As I know, those aversive methods that ABA is infamos for are neglected for years now. ASD is diverce in nature, so some children may indeed benefit from other methods and approaches (that are anyway more or less are based on behaviourism), but imagine the case when either the envieroment of the child keeps him/her down in development, or child's traits and behavioural habits are witholding him/her from adapting. In such a case it is benefitial to concentrate on building new behavioural chains and skills that will hellp child to adapt and grwo both socially and cognitively. I doesnt mean to punish child for wrong takes or to extingusih behaveour til meltdowns without trying to understand one's intention. It also doesnt mean to get rid from stimming for wathever reason, or in any way to teach masking. I dont know why, but in my experience those things I was tought to avoid. Yet it is still ABA. Hi from Ukraine.

@LeoButchaiwang-nb5wo 5 ай бұрын

It’s harder when my Autism is invisible and high functioned

@ayoolukoga9829 5 ай бұрын

@nicolebezeau1174 5 ай бұрын

Great video Paige. As a kid, I did work with a SLP as I would often speak a million miles an hour so I wouldn't enunciate my words. Many of the other therapies you mentioned are ones my brother has done as his autism is much more profound than mine. He did do animal therapy with horses, and he loved the riding portion. We don't do it anymore though sadly.

@alexinatree 13 күн бұрын

I want to get back into therapy but now that I have my autism diagnosis, I'm kind of lost in regards to what's reasonable for me to expect in changing my behaviors, versus what are things intrinsic to autism that I need to work on accepting instead. Like is it reasonable for me to work on and expect to improve on picking up social cues for example, or is that just an autistic trait that I need to accept and working on it is actually just building my mask and reinforcing that I need to mask, leading to shutdowns, meltdowns and burnout?

@chc84 4 ай бұрын

Does anyone have any more information or links about what Paige was talking about in the physical therapy section re soreness, using the wrong muscles etc. Very interested in this!

@gaychelray 2 ай бұрын

Aba has gotten alot better if you actually have autism positive technicians. I get where ur coming from jist giving my input as an autistic bt. We dont interfere with stimming or anything, my work is a bit closer to ot practices but it is aba.

@Dayglodaydreams 5 ай бұрын

I did occupational therapy.

@Catlily5 4 ай бұрын

I tried acupuncture but the therapist spit on me when she talked (not on purpose). But it grossed me out. So I only went once.

@varkaniswiz 4 ай бұрын

You would be a great Play therapist

@Joepage69 5 ай бұрын

True story the first time I ever heard of cognitive behavioral therapy the person had referred to it as CBT and was talking about it in relation to helping get rid of a fetish, and i thought it was a joke comment-kinky comment at first.

@Joepage69 4 ай бұрын

It would be crazy to let somebody tell you how to think.

@carlypolnik163 5 ай бұрын

What about Reference and Regulate? This is a therapy I hear as an ‘alternative’ to ABA. Would love to hear your thoughts in this.

@tyreesetjjoyner1995 5 ай бұрын

I’m a autistic guy as well

@ayoolukoga9829 5 ай бұрын

@ihasmdb389 5 ай бұрын

I have been to occupational therapy (for autism related stress that resulted in frequent losses of speech), where I was told that I can't possibly be autistic because "real autistic people rock back and forth and never laugh if you don't tell them to" and that he will rather call it "hypersensitivity" instead and I was like,, sir- no, that's literally not up for debate what the fuck. So yeah that one definitely did more harm than good in a time where I really desperately need support.

@ayoolukoga9829 5 ай бұрын

@ihasmdb389 5 ай бұрын

@@ayoolukoga9829 what is this supposed to do? Out of all quotes you chose to pick, this one has quite empty words

@ayoolukoga9829 5 ай бұрын

@@ihasmdb389 It is meant to draw you to the one therapist you truly need, Jesus.

@ihasmdb389 5 ай бұрын

@@ayoolukoga9829 🤣 who are you to assume I'm not a believer??

@ayoolukoga9829 5 ай бұрын

@@ihasmdb389 Would a believer say Jesus' words are empty?

@jadealexismorter4567 5 ай бұрын

Never clicked so fast

@Poketrainerchase968 5 ай бұрын

Yeah she is beautiful

@doctorlion 4 ай бұрын

7:37 I’m not sure what you’re talking about here when you say Play Therapists only need a single course (I can only assume that’s what you’re saying), because everything I’m seeing online states that you need a graduate degree or higher as one of the requirements for becoming a Play Therapist. Any clarification on this would be appreciated

@TheEmmily94 5 ай бұрын

I have three if not four of theses I had a stroke when I was little so I did pt ot st and the language one but they didn’t call it that they called it tlc

@smolville 5 ай бұрын

High "G" AHHHHHHHHH!

@jamesheady7216 4 ай бұрын

I’ve never been through ABA therapy myself, and am not officially diagnosed as autistic. That being said though, I think that ABA therapy should be completely banned no questions ask, and I also think that it should be put on the shelf alongside other garbage ideas, like eugenics, Gay conversion therapy and other horrors. Also, if you ever heard of facilitated communication that is sometimes used with nonverbal autistic if so, what do you think?