Let's talk about Gray Zone Warfare's Roadmap Reveal...

[@BigfryTV]

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[@bobby6427]

Ok so I’ll play it in 2027 if it makes it

[@Nomadic12347]

It will, many games have variable game pops not many are recognized year 1. plus many of us who did played, see the potential, and are still following the game

[@MrSweating]

Won’t even make it to 2025 😂

[@lCrazyCanadianl]

@@Nomadic12347 this is spot on. They desperately need to fix the AI

[@Blackicetac]

Hopefully it will be optimized by then

[@SpeedyMckeezy]

It's near impossible to have lasting player numbers in this adhd consumer culture we live in. If your game doesn't give something that will get you addicted, it will shut down before the two year roadmap is even finished.

[@ranzigeratte00]

I can't toggle my aim in this game I left since then cause I can't refund anymore

[@l33tnobody1337]

honestly they do have the chance to bring players back in at least for a while if the updates are substantial enough. We've seen the same for other games in the past so I wouldn't write GZW off just yet.

[@dmcsahu]

Lmao game runs like dog shit it will be dead in a year

[@dan_acostacap]

tell that to tarkov I guess

[@durrik]

@@dan_acostacapTarkov still has way more players than this

[@coolguyinc.1555]

It’s a pretty brave move mapping thing out this far when you can hardly crack more than a couple thousand players.

[@dericclark6553]

Unfortunately, they made their money from launch to pay the bills for 2 years. They’ll probably make more money after all these updates from the people who aren’t buying into early access. They’re sitting pretty. Less active players means they save money on server costs too 😅

[@locus2427]

@@dericclark6553 why unfortunately

[@dericclark6553]

@@locus2427 unfortunately for anyone who wants to play it for the next 2 years

[@Alex-jb8wr]

@@dericclark6553true, they claim sold over a million copies so 1 mil * $35 * 0.6 steam’s 30% and other taxes =~ 21 million they have made

[@BlindxSide]

@@dericclark6553 what about any of that is unfortunate?

[@vimaranis4865]

this game needs way more loot, more weapons and a workbench to modify guns right now.. but, following the road map, we only get the workbench 2 years after the game release.... and with only 1000 players avg, is a bold move to send out a roadmap until 2027....

[@vimaranis4865]

@@TheTaurus104 with 2 major updates per year? the game is raw, dont have basis stuff.. they will not reach 2026 sadly, i enjoyed the game...

[@Yoda300YearsAgo]

@@TheTaurus104 Your deadly mistaken, this is NOT how software developers work at all. We understand damn well the difference between an active dev team and a lazy, malicious team who decides not to do anything about game breaking issues present since the first week. Your company mislead players by showing streamers who played the game pre-release as if it was an almost finished game. To inform players the game is only 20% finished AFTER you sold 1 million copies is scandalous behaviour.

[@Special1Guy]

The problem is that it’s M4 or nothing other guns feel like squirt guns it just gets boring after a while

[@ranzigeratte00]

Even a toggle aim or lean feature isn't there bro wtf

[@AvengedKittyLP]

@@ranzigeratte00 Why do you need a toggle for aim? lmao

[@durrik]

@@AvengedKittyLPwhy is that funny? people have preferences, the better question is why wouldn't the devs expand their game to be accessible to more players if they don't want it to fail.

[@some-replies]

@@AvengedKittyLP to toggle aiming, pretty self explanitory...

[@triage9082]

I think the drop in players is due to needing to use upscaling to even run the game at 60 to 70 fps with drops while using PiP scopes. UE5 was a mistake. They can hold their night mode back, give us a damn playable game.

[@OutboundFlight87]

They could easily improve all players fps by disabling pip scopes. I don't think immersion is worth losing an entire playerbase

[@dustin0133]

its because theres no reason to play more than a week

[@Yoda300YearsAgo]

To me a lot of players disbanded the game since after weeks complaining, nothing was done. To this day, their lazy ass work rythm is of an unbelievable low volume, all issues from day 1 are still in game, they can stuff their plans where they belong. Money grabbing company without the skill to deliver. Only on the forum through a mod, I was advised the game was only 20% finished. I'll never buy smt in EA ever again.

[@vasilije94]

Nothing to do with UE5. You can optimize UE5 even more than UE4. You just have to know how to do it. Throwing nanite technology and other fancy tech without optimizing the game first means absolutely trash performance. You can run UE5 with lumen and nanite and other shit with better and graphics than this game. You just need to know how to optimize. Just look at the fortnite. All the latest tech and still great performance. But they know their shit and can optimize it.

[@thatgeckoguy1666]

I love this game but yes the optimization is terrible I'm running everything at low with fsr on performance getting about 80 frames consistently sometimes get a hard drop but rarely but the craziest thing too fsr is working better for me then dlss

[@dan_acostacap]

Just a small note, during last weeks livestream they mentioned the MP5 is not the only weapon to be added in 0.2 They also mentioned the awaited AI fixes are part of 0.2

[@VashTheStampede766]

I sure hope they fixed the ammunition balancing so we CAN use the MP5 and also the Glock. Plus whatever else they add.

[@dan_acostacap]

@@VashTheStampede766 agree, I'm head-set to always swap to secondary when I run out, didn't help much in Lamang.

[@Köennig]

They said MP5 plus "a few other guns". Prolly 3 more or something. It won't be much. Then we wait like another 6 months for another update😂

[@thepotatowarrior2890]

@@VashTheStampede766 They said they would rework how ammo works so that more weapons are viable.

[@lCrazyCanadianl]

Didn’t they mention it was AI behaviour when dealing with squads?

[@vomitingwithungodlyaccurac3218]

Covering these smaller games is a huge service to us. Thanks big fry

[@Froomsty]

One (kind of major) update a year is WILD lol

[@MrWEST1]

Right, Rust for example does a major update each month and it has kept the game fresh for years

[@Onyx1776]

@@MrWEST1that’s why People love rust I personally love it and is my number 1 game I play but a year for a update is insane and a good way to lose your player base

[@MrWEST1]

@Onyx1776 Yeah, theyre clowns for that forsure

[@jdakiller1017]

aaaaaaaand I regret buying this. was really hoping they would turn things around but my god this new roadmap, this game will be shut down before half that can even happen 100%

[@GinsengStrip-wt8bl]

Hope you’ve learned your lesson not to buy unfinished, early Access survival/extraction games. Usually they’ll never get finished, if a studio needs money so badly it releases such a mess they most likely have not enough resources to pull out the huge amount of work it requires for a Game like that to be in playable state.

[@trexx0706]

Lesson learned ​@@GinsengStrip-wt8bl

[@illswift5]

You hear that a game is 20% finished and in very early access that will take years and you say “yeah I’ll buy that in hopes of getting a complete experience soon”

[@RadioKilla180]

The game is literally unplayable. Everyone who says it's good and playable is coping hard. I regret spending $ on,this garbage. The frame rate literally makes me feel ill

[@jacobplayzgames9276]

can we jsut talk about the absolute stupidity of how BigFry died at the end of the video. like the AI are ridiculous!!!!

[@BigfryTV]

I left it in there for a reason. Literally Alt-F4d after that

[@jacobplayzgames9276]

@@BigfryTV lmao I would too🤣🤣

[@daedalus6433]

@@BigfryTV Tarkov moment when it isn't even Tarkov lmao

[@LonewolfDelta-db2hh]

Bro alt + F4'd when he didn't move? Shoot and move.

[@vincentzepczyk]

@@LonewolfDelta-db2hh the dude took 2 rounds of m80 7.62x51 bear chested then proceeded to full auto "suppress" by hitting a 6 inch grouping to big frys chest. {lol just shoot and move} dog the game is broken lol why not fix your game? edit: mind you while being around 200 meters away.

[@CHIEFLUKE101]

The lack of guns killed it for me

[@Lungorizz]

Guns, reason to loot, things to buy and do. Also copy and paste starting villages. And then underwhelming road map. 2024-2025 not much they plan on adding which sucks. I was really looking forward to this game

[@Yoda300YearsAgo]

@@Lungorizz Played PvP until lvl 14, to distinguish friend from foe I had to open up my map each time cause every faction wears the exact same uniforms, lands at the same LZ's which is the most illogical fact in any game I've played over the last 20y....and still present.

[@tysawyer4502]

Helldiver 2 community hates waiting like 2 weeks for fixes. This game has yall waiting till 2027 thats wild

[@tysawyer4502]

@@TheTaurus104 everything for the past 5 years has been and still is early access you can't seem to understand that

[@Köennig]

​​@@TheTaurus104 wait until 2027 so they can add toggle lean then😂

[@Yoda300YearsAgo]

@@TheTaurus104 At least they told their customers, unlike GZ where the only available information available shown was EA. Should have told your customers BEFORE they bought, it was only 20% finished and in early Alpha. Doing so AFTER 1 million copies were sold is scandalous to say the least. Even more because streamers were playing the game like it was almost a full finished game.

[@Yoda300YearsAgo]

This guy we replied to, The Taurus104, deleted almost all of his posts on this video. In every post he made he defended the game. They just did the same on the Steam Forum, creating fake accounts and posting nothing but positive replies or posts and blaming and shaming every player posting negative stuff. In-cre-dible. Which bona fide company would ever use those tactics, one might ask himself...

[@MarvinBoydCo]

Noticed optimization is no where to be found in that roadmap and what’s wild is if they added more weapons and optimization the game would be far more enjoyable

[@Yoda300YearsAgo]

Exactly, these issues you mentioned were on the table since the first week. Nothing has been done regarding optimization for months. Rubberbanding all over, they went even as far as advising players to hop onto other servers to avoid the rubberbanding. Players from Eastcoast were playing on westcoast servers. Players from West Europe were playing on East European servers. The list goes on and on where they decided not do anything during 6 months about game breaking issues.... most lazy company out there, prolly took 5 months vacation with the millions they've earned.

[@LOGoltem4682]

2 things to get me back playing. 1. Fix the performance issues. 2. Put a pin on the map where the missions objective is (where possible) The first one is clear. The 2nd one was annoying. I was running around for 15 minutes trying to find a dead guy. The clues didn't help, they where too unclear and generic. After following a guide I still didn't understand how I should've figured out the location from the starting point.

[@ggNotSuree]

Yea I feel like a good balance in the middle is perfect. Maybe a generic marker for an area. And clues that pinpoint the exact location. I don’t wanna follow a point directly to it. But also want a solid clue to help pinpoint the exact location. Depending on what the op/mission is and how much intel they can gather to help.

[@FuryGtr]

Yeah... Use mapgenie it is must have

[@Yoda300YearsAgo]

Everything that could hold up players is present in this game...on purpose. The fact they still didn't raise the RNG chance to find any of those unfindable quest keys after 4 months, speaks volumes since it's the easiest adjustable fact to change. Not doing so makes their intentions clear.

[@Yoda300YearsAgo]

@@TheTaurus104 Nobody is asking for anything you just wrote, you just answered voices in your head.

[@Jacob-og9cs]

Let me know when I can run the game and I’ll come back

[@Avonnieuwland]

Or buy a 4090 for just 2000€ 🥲😉

[@juniisenpai3777]

@@Avonnieuwland hotdog

[@gpheonix1]

@@Avonnieuwland better hard ware aint fixing that

[@durrik]

@@Avonnieuwland nah it still runs like garbage with a 4090

[@olmotje]

Runs fine on a 6950xt mini itx build also runs fine on a evga ftw3 3080 bigtower build

[@smoovfizzle8054]

Performance issues are what's causing the low player numbers. Its crazy how these devs would continue to ignore that

[@Yoda300YearsAgo]

The fact you implement features that require players to sit & wait for 10-20 min doing nothing, is a serious sign on the wall, even more when nothing is done to diminish after so many complaints. They simply don't givbe a flying **** about their player base. I like to return the favour.

[@Yoda300YearsAgo]

@@TheTaurus104 Just say it out loud, you want to defend the game no matter what, "I'm a henchman, I come straight from Steam to continue the scandalous behaviour displayed there to blame & shame players who criticize the game". Tell it like it is, go on.

[@Yoda300YearsAgo]

@@TheTaurus104 They've implemented ONE Landing Zone at each location, still for every faction just the same. Get your facts straight, this does nothing regarding waiting times. Waiting times for choppers is EASILY 15 min. The fact this moronic feature is still in game shows how ignorant and foolish devs can be. Soon you'll play the game alone there at Br(n)o.

[@africanricc3458]

@@TheTaurus104people will pay rent, pay bills, pay for gas, pay for clothes, pay for food, but when it comes to spending money to upgrade their rig, then it’s a problem…..I’m sick of the average gamer….save some money, upgrade your rig, then game devs have more room to function….

[@littlemuffin943]

well the game wasnt supposed to be out yet they only put it out beacuse the millions watching it when the streamers were playing the alpha were begging to play it.

[@ItsaHutchy]

I stopped playing after spending all ammo for the hundredth time having to burst enemies in the chest, cause apparently the sweat on their unarmoured bodies must cause my bullets to slide off of them.

[@ItsGage]

Lmaooo, I lost it at 5:51 when you did the "Uh climax" 😂

[@jeffdidntkhs3945]

💀

[@Blackicetac]

😂 he got me too

[@codycigar6542]

If this game is alive in 2027, I'll eat my shoe

[@africanricc3458]

A leather shoe ?

[@marekrabas]

ok, challenge accepted ;)

[@aaditshirke8755]

shoelace noodles??

[@theborgster8497]

Damn, Star Citizen might release before it at this rate

[@danielsonjrlibra]

Yup turning into more shovelware

[@NANOTECHYT]

Approximately 2029 for 1.0. Nobody is waiting for that lol.

[@NANOTECHYT]

@@TheTaurus104 EFT was the first game and is laying the blueprint, everyone else can copy them and get up to speed much quicker than they can for creating the genre.

[@Yoda300YearsAgo]

@@TheTaurus104 Are you responding every post here, I see you everywhere. Oh wait, now you're going to tell me you're unrelated to the devs I bet, like on Steam. Yeah right...

[@anonimxsidecas]

@@NANOTECHYT But what will you do about it? If you own it, will you eliminate the game from Steam? I mean, if it makes it to 2027... maybe it'll be worth a shot. Why closing the door?

[@DatAsianGuy]

if you are actively playing tarkov, then you shouldn't throw that stone while sitting in a glass house.

[@MRLEGEND101_]

Their main concern should be optimization... Making sure as many people can play this as possible. Everyone should be able to play this at some type of quality. Until then it doesn't matter what they add

[@generalpixel]

Imho they made a huge mistake of trying to cash in on Tarkov's Unheard Edition fiasco instead of letting the game sit in the oven a little longer

[@ShaddyzZz]

They made A LOT of money by releasing EA when they did. It was very clever. Now they have the money to work on the game in their own pace. People can cry all they want about it taking too long, but developing games takes time, and they already got your money, so they dont really care if you play it now or not. How was it a mistake? EA doesnt mean "perfectly polished game for everyone to enjoy", it meas "here, come test our shit and give us feedback, and enjoy being a part of the development process". Not sure you (or any of the people complaining here) know what Early Access actually means.

[@vincentzepczyk]

@@ShaddyzZz now they are sitting with a player base that might not come back, and fucked reviews on steam, they fucked up, you bought a scam

[@ShaddyzZz]

@@vincentzepczyk first time buying a EA title buddy? If so i can understand your frustration. I dont play extraction shooters, so i havent picked it up. Im just trying to explain how these things usually goes since some people seem to have a hard time grasping what early access actually means. It used to be kickstarter projects. Back then they showed you concept art and maybe a cinematic trailer and explained their vision, while asking for donations. This is basically the same thing, except here you get to be part of the development process by testing changes and leave feedback, while still supporting the studio financially. IMO this is way better. And yes, not all games do release into 1.0. Ive bought into projects that did get cancelled. That’s part of it. Know what youre getting yourself into. Yeah some may not come back, but im sure many will, because they support the studios’ vision for the game. A vision you can clearly see. Its just not enjoyable to play right now, so why would people be playing? There havent been any new content since the EA release on Steam. The people that did play already did everything there is to do currently. I dont see your point at all.

[@vincentzepczyk]

@ShaddyzZz you haven't picked this title up but yet you defend the game or try to lecture me on EA titles. I've played alot of ea titles. The only reason why this released so early was to try to swoon in tarkov players. Literally thats it. They kept saying it's a long time for release. Then boom 200 buck tarkov package came out. Everyone was mad. Mad fingers went on Twitter to swoon in people whike making fun of tarkov. Then they announced "hey we are going to release now" making a locked "content creator only servers" to further hype up the game. Everyone mad at tarkov. Mad finger studio sets up a barely playable "rebound" game for tarkov players. Game sucked so everyone went back to tarkov. TOP STREAMERS even went back to tarkov because after the first 20 hours. It's boring and filled with way too many errors.least compatible game seen since crisis game.

[@vincentzepczyk]

@ShaddyzZz they could of made so much more money. Made a beautiful game. But they half assed it. Lost money. Lost the player base. They really can't bounce back unless they do what no man sky does.

[@Snaques]

I think it's pretty clear that this was released mostly to keep people interested and invested in the game as it now has this "long term future" ahead. The patch names are vague so they don't have to commit to something they don't know if they'll ever even do. The actual roadmap will probably build up as they get more feedback and see what works and what doesn't. The one part where I fully agree with you is the cycle, I mean the game had a ton of hype around the first pre-release, alpha, beta, playtest or whatever it was called. I'm really not sure if they will have that in three years when so many new games have been released in the meantime. I would've maybe released the patch names, but kept the scheduling under the wraps. And just to be clear, I love the game and played a ton but kind of ran out of steam with no looting and rather random AI farming where every now and then you just die instantly.

[@FZL556]

so i bought this game early assuming itll be finsihed in a year or year and a half and now i have to wait 3 f*cking years

[@FallenActual]

dang those player numbers are painful and honestly the roadmap while it's great it goes out 2 years seems to sparse and there's currently nothing to keep players engaged atm clearly, from lack of meaningful progression, gun variety and an in depth and immersive game world. I'ma say the games DOA, first impressions already hit and people moved on.

[@ToxicVader-t3s]

took them this long to add toggle lean , why the hell are they soo slow?

[@Köennig]

Yeah like they probably could add toggle lean in 1 day through a daily update or something. It's not like they have to reinvent the wheel.

[@ToxicVader-t3s]

@@Köennig its just an accessibility feature i been waiting for since the game came out and i bought it , im newer to pc games soo having toggle lean makes it easier for me

[@Köennig]

@@ToxicVader-t3s no, it's a feature that a serious fps game needs to have on launch.

[@Yoda300YearsAgo]

@@TheTaurus104 Your slower than a turtle, nobody has ever seen anything like this. If you think that's normal, I'd advise you this job ain't for you. Stay with mobile games where the market doesn't change that rapidly and customers are less demanding, ideal for the lazy ones.

[@ExtraGloopy]

I don’t mind waiting, I’m in no rush to play and I personally want the team to take their time. I dont need to be actively fed updates.

[@MrZBrains]

Unfortunately not every one is patient 😅😂

[@some-replies]

Halo Infinite had a solid roadmap too, took em 4 years to add halfassed co-op

[@VoyagersRevenge]

I bought the supporter edition! I like the concept. However, for anyone who doesn't create content, this purchase was probably a waste of money low key. At least at this time lol. Early Access

[@blekkmark]

The way the character holds the rifle takes us way back to the Flashpoint-days.

[@jagstax7746]

Only 1K player base now. We need the fixes NOW not Next year ffs

[@liquid_shadow8690]

They need to optimize the game first.

[@Yoda300YearsAgo]

@@TheTaurus104 So you're saying by the time this game will be finished, players must buy a new pc?

[@Köennig]

Waiting until 2027 for essential game features is insane.

[@JackisSimple]

"Ahh climax" 😂

[@arsletirott]

hey Fry. I appreciate the video. I think GZ is starting to look like such a missed opportunity and I doubt it will ever really take off. Something has got to shift in development and release policy, they might need a slightly bigger team because my only take on why by the looks of it simple things are not being added is because of the lack of a big enough team working on the game. To me it feels like they're by now pretty scared of breaking the game and having to keep on releasing these hotfixes every time something's added. Anyway I kinda digress, why don't you up your video quality to at least 1440p? later my man!

[@Yoda300YearsAgo]

They can put their roadmap where the sun never shines. I was on the forum for months and noticed the henchmen of the devs tried to battle any negativity by shifting the blame on the player who posted, absolute scandalous behaviour. What's even worse is every major issue they tried to solve by Hotfixes made the game only more unstable. Important issues were not resolved since April 30th, even unfindable quest keys (easiest adjustable issue) is to this day, 4 months and a half down the road, still an issue, like any other issue reported since the 1st week. Never encountered so much illogical decisions combined in one game, same LZ's for every faction in PvP...(what moron came up with this idea..) The fact they're now talking about the implementation of new features is another slap in the face of everyone who bought it early on.

[@ernestoajuria410]

Why we get hyped for half baked and incomplete games??? I dont want to wait 2 or more years to play a finished videogame....

[@Yoda300YearsAgo]

Worst part is, when they advertised the game through known streamers, none of this was ever mentioned. Players thought they were buying an almost finished game. To hear now, after selling 1 million copies (and more) this game is only finished 20% and in Early Alpha is scandalous behaviour. I'll remember their names, won't buy anything from them ever again.

[@lmdvvyod]

So what you want? You don't want it half finished and you don't wanna wait 2 more years?

[@Yoda300YearsAgo]

@@lmdvvyod Half finished? You didn't read what they wrote? 20% finished and it got released. Where on earth do people find the audacity to stretch players expectations so far out? It coincides with the things found in game, no other game lets players wait for 15-20 min doing nothing and claim afterwards it's perfectly normal. That alone makes this company one for the history books...written in red ink. If you see how well they performed trying to solve SOME of the current issues like rubberbanding, one might expect to see the 2y road map going to get a looooot longer.

[@lmdvvyod]

@Yoda300YearsAgo The user I replied to said "half baked". He spoke in general and I replied in general.

[@Sekhatt]

I mean, it's fine right? There are plenty of finished games you can play in the mean time.

[@tonyk6233]

As a guy who plays primarily PVP and extraction shooter games, Grey Zone left so much to be desired. It felt like it should've been a single player/coop experience. With the "realistic" health and damage, it feels like DayZ with extra steps and weird fetch missions. It didnt have anything to hook me, no exciting player interaction, actually zero pvp in the 2 evening i tried the game, and all my time was spent dodging bugs and dying to AI after they ate tons of bullets like breakfast cereal.

[@Sekhatt]

I mean if you only played it for 2 evenings it high likely hood all your missions were in the first town. Makes sense you got no PvP there, because the enemy factions aren't sent there. Once you finish up with the town, you start getting missions in other locations where the other factions get sent to too. That's when PvP starts.

[@some-replies]

video starts with frame drops and tearing, gray zone baby!

[@hussain4682]

Well, check it back again in 10 years

[@Köennig]

Fr😂 by then it will be obsolete by newly released games

[@Maddog0608]

I think you’re right on the mark with everything. Especially the last part. People are gonna jump on the new content, check it out complete it and leave I haven’t played for months cause they still haven’t fixed performance in the later stages of the game and the AI are still aim bots, these are things along with little content pushes that should be don’t weekly and monthly between major updates. I just don’t get the long drawn out roadmap.

[@Maddog0608]

I went back to try out Grayzone after taking a break for quite a few months. And I have to say. After playing Delta Force and Arena Breakout, Grayzone feels very clunky, and I shut the game down after playing for about 15 min. I really hope they smooth it out this first update.

[@djrare87]

Mr. BigFry sir, wouldn't say you're off the mark. You're hitting somewhere on the target. But the company has released several hours worth of info between the update showcase and roadmap reveal. Listening in on it does clear up quite a few things.

[@cs3705]

I love GZW, but stopped playing a couple of months ago for these reasons: - The bugs around ammunition severely limited what was practical to bring on deployments - Missions became more and more difficult to complete, because POIs would be constantly cleared out. It could take an hour just to get 5 kills since there were so many players at each POI. - A lack of variety in weapons and equipment - No real incentive to explore or do anything past what missions require - Janky AI logic, leading to some AI being dumber than bricks while others are terminators There are other gripes I have too, but most of my issues stem from the game being not quite ready for prime time. I understand why they released when they did, and it was cool to finally jump in, but the game clearly needs more development time. Since release, not very much has been changed or added. If they can pick up the pace of updates and keep them going for a year, I think it will eventually be in a better place. It certainly has the bones, and the PvE mode is desperately needed in the extraction shooter genre.

[@ggNotSuree]

Yea. I feel like they would be screwed if they do and screwed if they don’t. In releasing it when they did and what updates and community posts is like. There’s no correct way and people will always be pissed no matter what. Give a long road map. Or shorter specific roadmaps. Idk. I’m glad I’m not them trying to make these decisions lol.

[@zacharyalger4568]

@@TheTaurus104why charge $35 for a game that doesn’t run well. If a game costs money people can ask/want changes.

[@Yoda300YearsAgo]

@@zacharyalger4568 Yes and why offer players expensive editions that are non-refundable, while informing them later on it'll take years to complete the game. They let well known streamers play the game pre-release, as an almost finished product, not informing buyers the game was only 20% finished and in early Alpha. All of this came out in the months after...scandalous behaviour.

[@Yoda300YearsAgo]

@@zacharyalger4568 This guy we replied to, The Taurus104, deleted almost all of his posts on this video. In every post he made he defended the game. They just did the same on the Steam Forum, creating fake accounts and posting nothing but positive replies or posts and blaming and shaming every player posting negative stuff. In-cre-dible. Which bona fide company would ever use those tactics, one might ask himself...

[@FFT-J]

I was so excited for this game and i already forgot about. Its been months since I thought of it and it was only because this came across my feed I was reminded of it.

[@stealth1106]

Hey ya Big Fry love the content keep the good shi comin

[@MrCoata-pc5uq]

Same thing happened with marauders unfortunately. Hopping for both to continue to build strongly

[@JanBadertscher]

As a former Software Engineer I find it much better, to have vague roadmaps. The now, next, later roadmap is a good way to keep stakeholders updated without being too specific, because what you said is true at 6:50 "when it comes to game development, things change, things happen", therefore you can't work with detailed descriptions and accurate dates.

[@Köennig]

Of course, anyone can work with vague roadmaps and big deadlines.

[@Truetemper4135]

I mean, I think we can all at least agree on the fact that if GZW didn't feel like a college kid's pet project game that was slapped into UE5 and didn't need a NASA level computer just to see the main menu, a lot more people would be playing it

[@tickledpinkmist]

This game has a genre… it’s a cluster-fuck

[@MhnFive]

Ngl. I'm still very confused as to what the end goal of the dev team should be here. Should they continue working on the game in what's effectively only announcing additional content once it's completed? Yeah a roadmap is subject to change, but i can't imagine any multiplayer game in an already niche genre is going to build or maintain their community without so much as a promise that future content is coming out.

[@HiddenCitizenAR]

Yes, they mentioned that 0.7 will add POI that you and your faction have to capture, and it will allow you to have that POI as another spawn point if you die, and grant you access to other rare vendors.. that's from the dev blog

[@lokifoki8071]

The moment they optimize this game enough that you can run it at more than 50 fps on older hardware, the player count will increase.

[@MikeSoutham]

If they don't optimise this game ASAP they won't have the numbers for people to see all this stuff...

[@kmanglass427]

This game gave me some blue balls with the center of the map being all shrouded in mystery. Sucks it is just an empty area that literally held zero secrets...

[@subnautios7023]

So literally half the map has no expected update until (realistically) post 2028

[@Leonniclass]

Haven’t bought the game yet, bc I am afraid to be disappointed by the performance, even with my 4080

[@Yoda300YearsAgo]

7800X3D + 4090 players are complaining about the same performance issues. This game cooks your CPU, worst part is, the henchmen of the devs tell everyone on the forum it's perfectly ok for a CPU to run constanly at 100%...incredible. You get 120 fps in base camp, rubberbanding all over cause their servers suck in the basement, in some areas it's -50% and looking through scopes is another 20 fps off for god knows what reason. Shit code with shit performance on shitty servers.

[@prestiboi]

Due to the Night Ops reveal update and gameplay, I got the itch for GZW back and it's starting to come back when the update drops...

[@isocuda]

Sounds like they're having their Squad moment in a way lol

[@AToemekVGs]

Fall of 2027 game shuts down

[@AToemekVGs]

@@TheTaurus104 hopefully

[@Yoda300YearsAgo]

@@TheTaurus104 It was all planned, by holding carrots, making long enough plans so the game dies on its own instead of announcing you'd quit supporting it. If I ever catch any of your names under a future game, I'll advise every possible player of what happened before. You've earned millions by being totally dishonest and an absolute disgrace . We'll see how far it'll bring you.

[@Yoda300YearsAgo]

@@AToemekVGs This guy you replied to, The Taurus104, deleted almost all of his posts on this video. In every post he made he defended the game. They just did the same on the Steam Forum, creating fake accounts and posting nothing but positive replies or posts and blaming and shaming every player posting negative stuff. In-cre-dible. Which bona fide company would ever use those tactics, one might ask himself...

[@MrImmortal709]

3/4 of those "planned" updates won't ever see the light of Day as the game gets shut down in a year or so... The Game was not bad, the idea was good, the open world and heli drops and extraction was very good, that it had build in PvE servers was amazing (as you don'^t have to drop like $250 on it...), but the project was too big for the team, poor server infrastructure did drive off players faster than anything else. These updates should be like 3 months apart, not +6 months...

[@GinsengStrip-wt8bl]

„The project was too big for the team” is a classic cliche with all these survival, extraction wannabe realistic shooters 😂

[@mattdayman9632]

You dont have to drop 250 for tarkov pve is 20 dollars on its own 😂

[@WaterMeA-biscuit]

So... it's going to take 2 years for them to release a single gun into the game? Will they be releasing major patches in between the one update a year to fix the issues players are running into? I really would like to see this game make it; it has a great atmosphere to it and looks fun. Definitely need to work on the LZs and the AI/heli extract. The game does look a bit empty though, just some sparse loot here and there and a few AI

[@paynetv6805]

I 100% agree that smaller content like should be coming sooner ON TOP of more loot on bigger updates. This game is in early access meaning if a gun is modeled and complete and ready to put it in the game........ PUT IT IN THE GAME. We are testing right now as it is. I feel like people would be alot more happy with drip fed weapons OR attachments every month to 3 month time period.

[@newkickztv]

This project is cooked. 💀

[@DirtyCivilian14]

How

[@SHXRKIEgg]

Can anyone tell me how they sold over 1 million units but the peak was 70k?

[@Yoda300YearsAgo]

Check Skyrim which was sold millions but never exceeded a couple of hundred thousand players per day...

[@edd1682]

As long as they work on optimisation throughout every step then they have a good chance of the playerbase growing to a more stable number like hunt showdown did in its early days, but yes something a bit more for the eta of each 6 month gap would be a good idea.

[@tzav]

2 year road map? Yeah, take your time... Surely by then people will still be interested

[@jax2433]

An early access title that can barely maintain 30-40 fps with a 2-3 year roadmap as absolute comedy.

[@polecat1337]

its not the developers fault youre on a gtx 980

[@gpheonix1]

@@polecat1337 why are there so many people like you defending this shit. better hardware isn't fixing that.

[@nickowen7406]

​@polecat1337 rtx 3080. 1440p I can get anywhere from 40 to 70 fps. The game is not optimized and if you looked beyond your own circle jerk you would see that

[@PheonixRises2040]

it’s not people’s hardware but the game itself. Unfortunately UE5 has many issues at the engine level that even the devs can’t overcome. Bad performance is happening to most games that are UE5 atm

[@TheManInThe5uit]

@@polecat1337 You weren't bullied enough in school. It shows.

[@davidlefranc6240]

Nice review , yeah at least they give us a schedule with a minimal idea and its great .

[@p.looshh]

I’m really hopeful and excited for the future of this game. I do hope they change the FOV of your own body though. Seeing your entire arm floating holding the gun looks so goofy

[@humibarbaresh]

Well, I wish them good luck. I can't see the game will be even remembered by ant of us in 2-3 years.

[@M18Hellcat]

Their whole mod team left twice, makes you wonder.

[@luciano12sa]

I think that was the plan, see what the people create in their own minds as to how they want the game to be in the full release. I personally think they should go Hardcore Science Fiction for this Ground Zero and what not, we don't have a single game yet with a realistic portrait of nuclear/radiation.

[@VashTheStampede766]

I hate saying this BUUUUUUUUT it may turn into an over cooked steak. Starting to look great but by the time it’s ready to serve it’s tougher than hard leather. That Bellum game sounds like it has greater promise.

[@bloodymclane]

I really enjoy the game and got my monies worth - and I can’t wait to jump back on. But we need quicker and smaller Updates. Not only a 0.2 and 0.3 but also a 0.2.5 and 0.3.5 for in between. They don’t need to do the CoD-thing but waiting 6 month is a bit heavy. These mid-updates-updates could be simply new POIs and Weapons/Gear to grind for. Hell, I would be fine with smaller daily/weekly missions that can be done rather quick, just to get some player retention and give players something to work for, let them grab some cool guns or at least some money OR Vendorreputation. Something.

[@JognDasHerbNA]

Got supporter because I believed in the studio. At this point hoping the game just concords on out

[@JognDasHerbNA]

I’ve accepted my L

[@Yoda300YearsAgo]

@@JognDasHerbNA They never informed the player base at day 1 of the 20% finished rate and bad coding, instead they let known streamers play the game pre-release as if it was an almost finished game...we got scammed, plain and simple.

[@TheJohnlongslong]

Developers have to realize that they have to make a game that stands out amongst others, with arena breakout and delta force just to name a couple being free, what’s the point of buying a game like this?

[@ArcangelGamingEntertainment]

2027?! Sept 2025 is gonna be the 'sunset update' lol

[@noneya246]

4 year roadmap seems like something taken out of their investor pitch deck

[@Yoda300YearsAgo]

A carrot once a day keeps complainers away..

[@UltraSur76]

Yes, two years seems long....but with the scope of the game its reasonable. I've been playing a game that's been out for nearly 10 years and still has the beta tag on it, and still not properly optimized to current gaming standards. Hoping Night Ops brings some additonal surprised feature with better optimization. Though I do think, to boost the current player count they should do some official weekly events with airdrops (or something to that affect) with some high tier loot or items...especially since many of the players have finished or close to finishing tasks.

[@xxxxRAVENxxxx]

I really enjoyed this game especially playing with friends. I had no problems really. I also play PvE because PvPvE is crazy as you always get killed by a bush camper or as soon as you get off the chopper your dead.

[@funman9924]

This game problem is optimization and they doing 1 map that will get boring, they should add more maps it doesn’t have to be a huge map and amount of guns is very low.

[@aaugusts]

My biggest issue with this game and why I won't try it out again - The performance. I don't have a terrible pc, RTX 2070S. I comfortably run a lot of games with decent to great graphics. Like Delta Force and Arena Breakout ran amazing on my PC. Both were fully maxed out on graphics side with great frames. I think most games these days try and release something to quick to get things going. However I think the opposite can happen with Finals. Amazing graphics, and pretty well optimized (at least for me) but fell flat with 3 maps on release. Like what do they think will happen? People want something that works well, looks good, and has playable content to sink our teeth in. Okay, thats my rant.

[@aaugusts]

@@TheTaurus104 yeah true, UE5 is still very new and devs are still learning certain aspects and new features, but Delta Force is on UE5 and they really optimized their game. All I’m saying is I think they bit off a bit too much. They focused on this large idea of a massive map, fly around in it, and it’s persistent. I think they could get there at some point, but I feel like if they focused on something smaller, they’d have a banger.

[@Yoda300YearsAgo]

@@TheTaurus104 So you're saying people must buy a new pc when the game will be finished?

[@Yoda300YearsAgo]

@@aaugusts True words. It seems they're simply not capable of solving even the most basic issues in game in a timely matter. Headless bodies and invisible bodies took them weeks to solve for example. The biggest issues, reported since day 1, are still in game 4,5 months later. Unacceptable, but the worst part is they try to deny it by laying out big plans for the feature, not even talking about the mountain of problems they have on their hands to solve already. Same mistake, as you described it, too much to chew...

[@Yoda300YearsAgo]

This guy we replied to, The Taurus104, deleted almost all of his posts on this video. In every post he made he defended the game. They just did the same on the Steam Forum, creating fake accounts and posting nothing but positive replies or posts and blaming and shaming every player posting negative stuff. In-cre-dible. Which bona fide company would ever use those tactics, one might ask himself...

[@RoyTT]

Bought the game at launch, yet to be able to play it.. Im on a RTX 2080 and at most i get 20 fps in the game

[@ThomasWajs101]

Territories sounds like it'll be like New World where the factions control areas of the map rather then just the bases.

[@alexdelzer904]

“Ugh climax”😂

[@MarkusRichter-n2k]

This roadmap is way to ambitious and it looks like - at least for me - this whole roadmap is designed to increase some more sales. The raodmap steps are basically each 6 months. When I look back the last 5 months I can not see how MFG will implement major updates when they struggle with patches so far. If the next update will not bring back the player count then GZW will be abandoned. No dev studio is going to burn money.

[@CaptainAugust]

I learned my lesson from Tarkov. I’ll buy and play this when it’s fully released

[@mars-he2hu]

its never going to fully release, tarkov gets that pass NOW because it has more stuff to do and it was the biggest game that brought true extraction shooter

[@CaptainAugust]

@@mars-he2hu if it never fully releases it will never get my money 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@mars-he2hu]

@@CaptainAugust and that’s perfectly okay, just dont be that guy we all see complain how hard tarkov is

[@marlon.8051]

they can release 1000 updates, if they dont fix the optimization its all for nothing

[@BushyKal]

I mentioned this in their discord how the flow of updates feel a little too long. Content drip is real. But was being respectful then you got the brigade coming in telling me how wrong I am. Like I am a consumer at the end of the day I understand how small the team is. But I paid for a product and if I feel the product isnt worth it im gonna say something. Idk maybe im getting old lol

[@UkAlphadog73]

What Happened To Games Releasing Finished And Ready to Go,Not Discussing whats Coming in 2 Years lol

[@Yoda300YearsAgo]

Amen, that's the problem with EA these days, there isn't any regulation to release games in EA. It can be used by malacious companies for a cash grab, trust given can be exploited, exactly the way I feel being treated by these scammers. Just recently I've seen a game on Steam "Outlaws of the old west", in EA since 2019, abandoned one year later but still able to be bought by unaware players... bad points for Steam who should make sure such things can never happen.

[@nathanstanley9312]

im here for this game u smooth brains will keep playing cod

[@renarenacat]

Its really hard for these devs I believe because of the games that has good amount of contents even in alpha because its been out for years or scale of the game is smaller but they get compared to it. Maybe they should call the game like tech demo or something until maybe 0.6

[@rogue-9408]

Idk how I feel about the roadmap. Like I think that gzw has a lot of potential but personally weather and lore being added to the game should come after the content is added. Like I think more focus on improving the ai, weapon variety, and pvp should be number 1 priority.

[@artsvanlifeuk9967]

so this might be a silly question but will we loose everythink on the update a complete fresh start

[@sillygoose5138]

this game has zero chance to last until 2026

[@fubarexress6359]

I think they probably should release this game a couple years from now. I do think they have a chance at regaining the players back but it’s definitely going to be a slow journey