Let's talk about "Lord" Marco (an epidemic of fake drumming videos)

[@MikeCaputo]

NOTES: 3:40 lots of people keep saying the beater not moving is a result of it being the same frame rate as the camera. Assuming the video is filmed at 30fps that would require him to be playing 30 notes per second with 1 foot, which is equivalent to 16th notes at 450bpm with 1 single foot which is physically impossible. Also the song is at 300bpm, which is 20 notes per second and would mean the video would have to be filmed at 20fps so therefore he would have to be playing 20 notes per second with one foot, which is also physically impossible. For reference, 16th notes at 250bpm is 16.6 notes per second which is obviously only physically possible with 2 feet together. In the section at 9:46 I say 7.5%, however I misspoke and the actual number is 6.5% 10:09 to 17:39 my webcam isn't there because it was covering some of the comments as I was reading them when filming initially. I went back and did it again without the webcam so you guys could see everything (yes I liked my own comments. Deal with it lol) The reason you never see any comments on his videos calling out the editing mistakes is because he hides every single one of them, as shown by my example in this video of what he did to my comment. He did the same thing on his Instagram when he had an Instagram, he also does it on his KZbin community posts and his Facebook page. There are countless other examples of him doing things like this in his other videos. Most of the time they're for very small amounts of time so I didn't bother going through and showing those. There's A LOT of them so we'd have to jump sporadically from video to video and it would be jarring for you guys to watch I also recognize that there are people who will never be convinced no matter how much hard conclusive evidence you show them. If you are one of those people, this video is obviously not for you

[@Vincentpadrutt]

Passage 9:46 - with the GoPro footage- he added 16th double bass :D you can’t hear them in the go pro footage.

[@altrogeruvah]

Just an FYI: Marco is in the comments under the handle @mikecaputoschin

[@dom3827]

@@altrogeruvah its just hilarious how he made an account and acts like a 12yrs old in the comments. We should get 66Samus here to have a little laugh

[@DissYraiN]

I just called him out on a recent video and he says he has addressed these claims in a recent video. I told him the only way he can save face is to reupload unedited raw videos. he is still making chin jokes and calling you a clown. what a child. He isn't even clever with the chin jokes... Like no solo towel or sheet folding jokes :( besides, I'd rather be missing a chin than notes in a fake video.

[@marcjones2493]

I can't help but laugh at seeing you give all your own replies thumbs up

[@TankTheTech]

This is fantastic level detective work, and I for one am glad to see musicians called out on this kind of stuff. The truly sad thing is that the majority of musicians on KZbin/Social Media are doing this, and they're talented enough that they DO NOT NEED TO. Unfortunately because of social media, everyone demands perfection and it's made so many musicians fall into the trap of editing their playthroughs to make everything perfect. It sets a very unrealistic bar for younger musicians watching, and I wish more musicians would just show the mistakes so people can learn and see how musicians are actually adapting and getting better.

[@iamneophyte]

Oh hey tank, didnt expect you here. Thats a good and thoughtful take.

[@aSubjectProduction]

Not too dissimilar to folks using IG filters to try and "look better".

[@acon2211]

I remember seeing so many bands/artists with their singer putting the mic away while finishing a sentence, in the middle of a live show on dvd (like Korn at CBGB or others, I remember noticing it 20 years ago lol) but you keep hearing the end of the sentence like the mic is still in the same position. They re-recorded live takes above the live takes to create a better mix and sell dvds or live albums which have a great sound. In a way this type of cleaning is everywhere. Like in the hands of producers, albums directors, who often "arrange" drum tracks for young local bands to make their drummer sound better, on time. I've seen this once, the drummer was really really bad. Technical like blasting and blasting and blasting but unable to maintain a bpm and build clean transitions or fills etc. The energy was insane but the rendering pretty horrible. The engineer showed me the tracks before and after his clinical intervention, that was something. I wonder how much of a "lying" system or mecanism we can identify as natural, or part of "the spectacle" if not the art in a lot of cases...

[@matturner6890]

Stephen from Deftones released a bunch of "playthroughs" that were quite obviously just him miming to an mp3. I really question the point of that kind of video, unless you're that very specific type of guitar player who learns songs from watching another players' hands.

[@matturner6890]

@@acon2211 I know I've seen projects where drum tracks had to be just completely thrown out and replaced with Superior Drummer or similar. Some bands just don't show up ready to go!

[@JordanandMcKay]

The phantom snare blasts fucking sent me.

[@markwildt5728]

"Sent me?" Really? We're not 12 year olds over here...

[@SFCDOBRONX]

​@@markwildt5728 yesh ok

[@NewgensNeedToBeKilledASAP]

​​​​@@markwildt5728 lol at u crying over 2 words, who's the 12 year old here?

[@AllCopsAreBigchungus]

@@markwildt5728 really unnecessary to get pissed over this lol. I don’t use this phrase/term either but if you haven’t noticed it seems to be a new phrase that a lot of people use on social media nowadays so very ridiculous to belittle this commenter for something so insignificant. Might be time to just go back in the trash can, Oscar.

[@andyjamesdrums]

I'm 12 and I approve this message

[@8020drummer]

What’s crazy is the short is impressive enough. To a non-metal drummer I’m like “you already sounded great! You risked your reputation for 7%?!?!”

[@StaTicCc1]

Here's the thing, Mike called that out but the first thing I heard was the fact that there's fake double bass under the hands. Go listen again, clearly 16th note kicks following right hand on the raw audio with many pauses in between, and in the doctored audio he's blatantly added so many fake kicks especially towards the end of the video. It's astonishing how fake that video is. No way is he even attempting doubles, There isn't even a remnant of a second stroke after each defined note.

[@sohft]

you could also look at it like this: "who cares?" the answer is you shouldn't, it doesn't matter.

[@Woadie757]

@@sohft Calling people out on lies is important. I think that matters. But sure, from a nihilistic point of view nothing matters, retard.

[@steelworkspt]

This is no different from dick-swinging: he wish he had 7% more than he does, just that.

[@losingapathy]

@@sohftehh it does definitely matter 😭 anyone posting drum content whilst straight faced lying about its legitimacy is weird

[@xenophagia]

Spot on, bro. I used to play shows very regularly with Marco & Braindrill way back when they first came on the scene, and he was doing the same shit way back then. Also, it's funny that he says that he's never talked negatively about another drummer in his entire life. Marco would talk crap about almost every drummer back in the day lol.

[@countskippy]

Well...that clears up a question I had about how far back this went. Seems like when I came across him as a part of Anomalous and Vital Remains, that it was still happening then.

[@finowa]

@@countskippy he did a little bit of work with The Faceless very early on, aaand he pretty much wasn't up to par at all

[@bulletandaballot]

It’s crazy that these stories I heard back then are all true… only if you were truly part of the scene did you know about this stuff. Now seeing people talk about this stuff in 2024 is crazy

[@VPortho]

So, long story short, he's always suffered from some type of insecurity or inferiority complex... why else would he talk shit about other drummers and fake his videos to look better

[@ardakeremoglu1]

If someone says that he's never talked negatively about another musician in his entire life, 90% it's the exact opposite lol.

[@JasonRichardsonGuitar]

Luke and I play our song Titan 5bpm slower live, idgaf that shits mad hard 🤣

[@anakbaliti]

🐐

[@unbearifiedbear1885]

The Beatles changed tempo and slightly sped up (tape speed) their studio stuff, to make it different from their live performances (That's why some of their songs are so difficult to make sound accurate when you play)

[@abigfatkittycat]

Based

[@RedDed228]

It's one thing if the whole band is in on it and understands what you're doing, but if you're the only one playing slower then damn that'll derail a show quick, but hey it takes balls to say it out loud but that's okay bro good on you!

[@fleshpitdm]

@RedDed228 It doesn't take balls though. It's just the reality of things. Most bands do this. 🤣 People are tripping over nothing new. This is what the internet does. Now a legend thats been in a million bands is gonna be looked down on to a bunch of fucking retards because Caputo is mad about his Archspire cover. Its always these core sub genre kids starting shit too.

[@DrBuffaloBalls]

Really unfortunate that a drummer who is clearly very skilled would feel the need to fake their performances.

[@lordfizzz]

​@Cryptosickhe comes off extremely pretentious and arrogant he probably fits the script tbh

[@txdrummerboy98]

It is narcissistic… no different than already attractive people having tons of plastic surgery. Sad really.

[@mikecaputoschin]

@DrBuffaloBalls really unfortunate for a drummer with no chin to point out the obvious 😕

[@TimmyTurner421]

Low self-esteem like Lucas Mann

[@redfin382]

Unfortunately it's usually people that are damn good at something who cheat. Someone who sucks wouldn't know how to make cheating look real, a skilled drummer knows how to make it look real.

[@OssianOtt]

There is only one Lord Marco, LORD MARCO MINNEMANN

[@thedruidzmademe666]

Amen

[@bulldaggerwatkins190]

Troof

[@PrinceAsmodeus]

Amen

[@Ratzfourtyfour]

Didn't expect this cameo lol.

[@gargaj]

I genuinely thought when people kept mentioning "Lord Marco" they meant Marco Minnemann!

[@Deathworg1]

It would be absolutely hilarious if archspire announced that Spencer actually didn’t leave and this was all an elaborate scheme to expose fake KZbin drummers

[@thedruidzmademe666]

the plot thickens lol

[@Grus0]

Given Dean's latest video title "POV - your band is falling apart" I'm definitely starting to think there is some humour in this situation...

[@Virvum_Juggernaut]

Please let it be true! The news of Spencer’s departure was devastating.

[@DustyEchozy]

​@@Virvum_Juggernaut Yeah dude, Spencer leaving Archspire is actually really awful. Like the dude is a literal beast, but tbh now I hope that Alan Cassidy won't leave TBDM.

[@Ohio.Gozaimasu]

Haha, that's pretty good. I could picture this as a subplot in a modern death metal version of This Is Spinal Tap.

[@MelodySC2]

it's crazy because he's obviously a great drummer, if he just admitted that the clips were edited, I don't think anyone would care. The insecurity is palpable

[@joshshultz1250]

This reminds me of the people in speed running gaming communities who are actually insanely good at the games they play but cheat to get WR's.

[@superjanembaishappy5512]

Yeah. Like, his unedited footage sounds great ! Why does he feel the need to edit his takes ???

[@l3joint]

I don't care.

[@sniperfi4532]

@@superjanembaishappy5512self absorbed or just arrogant. Wants to show the world how good he is at playing but doesn’t want to put in the effort to actually achieve perfection.

[@Warpigletsofpower]

​@@superjanembaishappy5512Maybe his producers he's sending it to are in more control than him.

[@tfwnoyandere]

heartwarming: someone i hated for no reason turns out to be a bad person

[@JayRamahi3810]

Well tbh, even before this, there were reasons not to like this guy, like his arrogance, or his cringe divorce dad energy politics/views ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@virrob9055]

yeah surely you don't have skeletons in your closet either, right?

[@METALFREAK03]

@@JayRamahi3810 Different tastes for different plates... Never sure how "political views" got to be such a ven diagram cut throat thing. You used to talk and discuss about points in a public house about views of others and come to some sort of conclusion. It is why I never liked social media. It is built for discourse.

[@tfwnoyandere]

@@JayRamahi3810 lol what politics i didnt know about this

[@tfwnoyandere]

@@WombSurfer you oughta know sweetie

[@wanjanechtangroeger]

Wow, that was interesting! I remember sometimes scratching my head thinking if what he did was humanly possible, but I never seriously considered him speeding up his videos. My internal argument always was "he is so good, why would he do that?" and I have seen enough crazy drumming to know that sometimes stuff does look unnatural even when it is real. Humans are capable of amazing things! I am a bit disappointed now - but also a bit relieved somewhat.

[@Notafourthgradedropout]

I love your videos

[@CyberChrist]

I was just telling myself you'd kisk his ass ^^

[@javierrenteria3195]

Wanja those videos are old. Check new ones and see

[@CyberChrist]

@@wanjanechtangroeger I was just telling myself how you'd wipe the floor with him, lol

[@wanjanechtangroeger]

@@CyberChrist nah, maybe in sooome aspects but not in general. He is still a damn good drummer.

[@TommyWitDaTone]

I know Lord Marco is a great drummer, but I could tell for YEARS that his videos were sped up. His movements were so unnatural and his cymbals always moved and slowed down way to quickly. People always gave me shit for saying I thought his videos were hella edited, glad someone could finally prove it. Great video my guy

[@bmw_m4255]

Yup

[@killr6699]

there is literal 0 footage of him playing this stuff live and for some reason, he only tours with bands that are "slower" metal. whenever he was asked about when hes touring for fast bands, he said "not possible in my schedule" - yet he always talks about not making enough money. the funniest part is that you can obv see its sped up by how his entire body moves. just the second clip mike is referring to is insaneley reavealing.

[@TyrantKblastbeat]

I once invited Marco to do a KZbin live video with me. The rules: he could pick any song that I have done on my channel and I could pick any song he's done on his channel - we would then go on KZbin live and knock it out. He agreed to the challenge publicly and then promptly blocked me lol This isn't to attack anyone but I am just so over this issue in extreme music. Good on you for taking the time to highlight this.

[@twistymcfistysback]

Hey love your drumming but why waste your time with this petty nonsense? You never see Thomas Lang, Chambers, etc get caught up in whos the best, who is doing what. They collaborate and support each other. Yes the metal scene is just plagued with garbage, including people who sift through videos to try to expose someone. Sorry Mike, you need to get a life and stop spending time worry about what anyone else is doing. I'm at least at work getting paid on some downtime writing this. :)

[@TyrantKblastbeat]

Fair enough, and thank you for the support. I am not worried about "whos the best" because that is so overwhelmingly subjective. I guess I support videos like this because, hopefully, it encourages people to have more integrity in a genre that is built on "What you can pull off." It just feels like a slap in the face when I see edited videos and then people losing their minds in the comments (Call that jealousy if wish). Facts: Marco has waaaaay more subs than I do and has done a lot more than I ever have. I give credit where it's due but I just wish the dishonesty would stop. In this video, the "slowed" version of the take for the ROS song was SOLID and super clean. That was MORE than enough for the album, and I actually prefer it to the sped-up take. Natty Marco shreds - just wish he would stay natty.

[@boston4635]

@@twistymcfistysback what the fuck is your problem?

[@hhaste]

@@twistymcfistysback Ironic you tell people to get a life, while posting paragraphs defending this scumbag behavior.. sounds like a Marco alt account. Cringe..

[@blutausnordvpn]

@@twistymcfistysback What a weird take. If someone at your job was getting bonuses for cooking the books and other bogus cheating, you wouldn't speak up? I take it you're the roll over and die type of goldbricker hence why you felt the need to tell everyone you're being paid to type braindead "just be a doormat" responses on KZbin. ":)"

[@monsieurbreakdown4814]

FOR YEARS i've been saying Lord Marco is a fraud, all sped up, fake editing, YEARS. THANK YOU. His delusional fans kept telling me " cry hater " . and now finally the curtain falls.

[@thatsameenergy]

That's what's really sad about this. I've seen him live. He is so solid as a drummer, legitimately one of the best in extreme metal. Why are we editing takes and videos??????!!!!!!!!

[@thepooz7205]

I’ve never seen any rebuttal in the vein of “cry about it” which was genuine. It’s ALWAYS an admission they have no legitimate argument, and their monkey brain just wants to paint the other person as weak.

[@deetschris1]

Thank god the day will never come where we have to worry about George Kollias or Derek Roddy. lol

[@johnnykeys1978]

Yes, that's right. And as you progress through your career you will find there is ALWAYS someone around to change the subject from a rational conversation to labeling you a hater / jealous / angry / mad. You will be proven right, but only when this person is not in the room. If you bring it up you are: you guessed it: a hater.

[@acatnamedjoex4688]

The Charles Caswell of drumming. To a tee. Phenomenal, but somehow still riddled with self doubt. Being great is absolutely fine, regardless of being the fastest.

[@DEVN31]

lmao him resorting to unrelated personal insults might as well be him confirming it; great video!

[@Aeternusx91]

Officially demoted from "Lord" to "Jester"

[@JesterWDE]

hey man come on now don't lump me in with him

[@Aeternusx91]

@@JesterWDE My brother I apologize for the stray 🤣

[@Ratzfourtyfour]

I was about calling him a clown, but the real clowns may object as well.

[@Aeternusx91]

@@Ratzfourtyfour Has a third drummer been exposed yet so we can get the three stooges? Marco, Ricardo, and ____? That would be hilarious.

[@kosekompisthesnowprince]

Nah, Peasant sounds better.

[@DanPresland]

this is more popular than any audition video lol. do ricardo next

[@GormlessPNW]

That guy is the biggest charlatan.

[@Edu_ImperialExecration]

a video about that guy would be amazing

[@dennis_laz3256]

I personally dislike his drumming but considering he was doing clinics I thought he was legit. Is there proof that he fakes the speed?

[@JayRamahi3810]

Damn even Dan chiming in 😂

[@alemutasa6189]

Yeah, I'm gonna be that guy. Fucking love your work dude

[@JesterWDE]

Wow, great work. This really just shows that no matter how talented someone is at something, they should never be considered to be “too good to cheat”

[@yogxoth1959]

In the speedrun community, the people who cheat are often really quite good at the game they’re competing in. That makes it harder to detect when they’re cheating.

[@werdwerdus]

karl jobst says the same thing alllll the time

[@Iwillstaystrong1]

​@@werdwerdusyeah I was gonna say, this feels like Karl Jobst in the drumming world

[@johannjohann6523]

Especially since cheating is usually alot less work.

[@frankc3690]

Almost anyone at the top of ANY proficiency hierarchy gets there by utilizing any and all percentage gains available to them, cheating or not.

[@SomeBlackGuy]

Weird... He absolutely doesn't need to fake anything to be considered impressive. What a shame

[@JayRamahi3810]

3 words: divorce dad energy

[@jamespeterson1630]

Dude honestly in the speedrunner gaming communities you find the same thing. Usually the people who cheat speedruns are actually GOOD players, not bad ones

[@alrecks619]

it's usually the people who achieve this level that went really deep into the rabbit hole they have to resort to underhanded stuffs like that.

[@ulfhedtyrsson]

Crazy how so many people will defend a blatant obvious liar. It's not only an insult to one's trust and honor, but to one's intelligence also.

[@movies_about_gladiators]

As someone who beat the hell out of myself, physically and mentally, in order to reach this level of playing, this is a serious stroke to my ego. Thanks Mike.

[@thedruidzmademe666]

Take Five brother you deserve it. (drumming pun intended)

[@johnnykeys1978]

oh wow... ok prepare to discover some top grossing "band" members don't play on their own albums because when they try to track it is out of time and squeezed out of tune. Thus hiring professionals eg 'session' musicians. You too could have been in a world class 'band' already if you were born into a media family. Is it just a co-incidence that the stars today just happened to appear on sesame street when they were juniors?

[@fattdamon1980]

what's wild is he's on here commenting as @mikecaputoschin

[@xane60]

shoutout to 400 bpm heel up singles

[@bigmonk802]

Not hard with whole or half notes

[@UziMusic]

Gravity blasting ankle technique

[@NewgensNeedToBeKilledASAP]

​@@bigmonk802kek

[@qliphothdaemons]

Shoutout to that beater sitting 0.05mm from the bass drum skin, with the sensitivity fucking red lined

[@Snd92bc83bnfu]

​@@bigmonk802 >kek

[@onilambo]

I swear I remember watching his covers and looking at the cymbals and thinking "this looks sped up? the cymbals are swinging too fast" and holy fuck I wasn't crazy.

[@barad-dur9236]

Exactly! Also his body “twitches” because it’s sped up.

[@krusher74]

Yeah it looks sped up and sounds pitched up because of that.

[@javieresparza3962]

same i always thought it looked odd but told myself he was just rly good

[@bmw_m4255]

Me 2

[@Ratzfourtyfour]

Karl Jobst of death metal puts in nicely. Exposing fake speedrunners.

[@DeanH92]

Thanks for watching you legend

[@bubbleblower51]

Lord Marco is the Billy Mitchell of Death Metal

[@pennystowers6491]

This is a really really good video dude, I respect your courage and effort!! Fakers are LAAAME

[@Depressed_drummer]

Someone with the name "lord" lies about their skill (no surprise there) lol. The fact he hid your comment(s) though; that says it all...

[@navboi12]

You can legitimately become a Lord by paying for a title over a prescribed estate/parcel of land. Though I doubt he's actually done this 😂

[@TheAmishGamer]

If you look up the “pay to be a Scottish laird” thing, it’s actually just a scam that’s been running since at least the ‘80s and doesn’t make you a “lord” in any legal way.

[@Coastfog]

You actually can't, you're no lord or lady in any sense of the word. It's a scam. Kinda fitting here.

[@YtuserSumone-rl6sw]

Yep. He's a certified clown now.

[@Sergio-nb4hj]

​@@navboi12 uh oh someone fell for the Established Titles ad reads

[@JasonParadise]

Damn, this is brutal

[@mikecaputoschin]

Damn, this is retarded

[@TheSlayerswe]

Crazy how I hadn't noticed some of his obvious editing before, it's so blatant. But I was always I little skeptical, that crazy drumming but zero live cams of anything remotely as fast. I don't get why he does this when he actually is a good drummer.

[@JarodFedele]

It’s the same reason legitimately good video game speedrunners fake things. They want that extra push to be the ‘best.’ That’s all Marco cares about and it’s extremely toxic.

[@Dracula_sb]

​@@JarodFedeleThe speed running community COOKS anyone they catch cheating, they got games down to a science, I love it!

[@matturner6890]

@@JarodFedele esp. since you're not even really the best, since you'd cheated

[@mikecaputoschin]

there r videos of marco play above 300bpm live when he was in vital remains and some live sleep terror sfuff 280bpms

[@simex909]

From watching a lot of stories about people who get caught cheating: It seems like the reason talented people cheat is because they feel deeply that they are as good as their fake performance, but something out of their control is preventing them from proving it to everyone. So they fake the proof, but they are ok with it because they still feel like they could have done it legitimately under perfect circumstances.

[@DruMarshallDrums]

This is wild. I’ve been drumming most of my life and consider myself to have a strong ear for fakery. I always just assumed these videos were quantized, sound replaced, EQ’d, etc. But I never thought drummers were speeding up their videos. It’s just sad man.

[@JohnDeary-r6f]

This isn't even saying he is a bad drummer . . . Like Mike said. He has chops and a good memory. But, now that this is shown... he goes straight victim. '' I'm a dad, I couldn't tour w Rings ( even though he tours w SFU ) I only practice 10 minutes a week.. I work full time" and ? Who doesn't ? Plus saying that Mike is '' Pointing out videos that are 6 - 8 years old ... '' What does the age of the video have to do with anything ?? Are they sped up or not ? Because the live REAL videos do not cancel out the at home sped up vids. I personally don't know of any Death Metal drummers vids that look this unnatural, beside his. I literally know zero. Now, once the speed increase on the vids wasn't getting caught, he got greedy. Thinking he got away with it. Threw on a blindfold . . . Impossible unnatural looking fills and hit hat closures. Went from left hand finger blasts to wrist overnight 300 bpm + Making profile pictures of himself stating that HE was the reason you should quit drums. Absolutely idolizes himself. Ego Just admit some of your videos are sped up, and edited, this will be over. And stop saying, they're raw, and untouched. Deleting the called out videos to me is admission of guilt in my eyes.

[@Nvllin]

Yeah I was even like "wow full wrist motion with 10" of stick height stamina blasting at 300bpm is too good to be true" lol. Plus, cymbals don't move like that. I wasn't convinced for a god damned second!

[@dec8574]

The ego thing is what i have noticed the most. He is constantly seeking for people and comments who disregard anything or just purely meatride

[@JohnDeary-r6f]

@@dec8574 Yep. Not to mention, primarily answers GEAR questions only. Snare size Pedal type, ect... Anything to distract fakery in SOME vids. Now, the recent 340 BPM video, with the cigar being lit at the end is hidden for Subscribers only.

[@JayRamahi3810]

I guess the divorce dad energy REALLY got to his ego or something

[@luciferincestus]

Riccardo Merlini’s last Archspire audition was sussy too. Him and Marco are sick but yeah…it’s painfully clear sometimes.

[@inquisidor1]

Cole Summerhays Drums is my top dog, of all the videos he has like the best ones. All raw audio he has an attitude unlike any others i seen

[@thedruidzmademe666]

@@inquisidor1 you can physically see how much he wants it. That shit you cant fake.

[@Swedish_Drummer]

Glad I wasn't the only one seeing this!

[@Swedish_Drummer]

@@thedruidzmademe666True, but hearing multiple snare hits when he isn't playing the snare sure seems fake.

[@TheSquareOnes]

Not going to make the accusation but Ragnar S has a video that probably also needs a closer look. It can be very hard to tell sometimes but it looks to me like it might be sped up slightly, something about the movement of his body (hair in particular, but also his muscle movement is weirdly jumpy) and the way the cymbals settle is in the uncanny valley. If it isn't fake he should get the gig just for being aesthetically unsettling, seems like a good fit for their vibe. I don't know why people would be faking auditions though, unlike throwaway covers for engagement you'll actually be expected to repeat the finished product on a nightly basis if your plan works out. Although I guess merely doing an audition is "good content" in itself, so maybe the plan is to fail but in a way that gets more views.

[@peterbowman5750]

This is why i have such a respect for someone like Eugene Ryabchenko....he's a legit top tier extreme metal drummer and fully admits his videos have some editing done.

[@quadblaster69420]

It's fucking criminal how under rated he is.

[@thedruidzmademe666]

Francesco Paoli was also 100% honest about punching in on Fleshgods albums and no one respected him less for it. Now Eugene is on the kit playing some of Francesco's punched in parts live proving it can be done without boasting he is the best. Integrity goes a long way.

[@diabeticmonkey]

@@thedruidzmademe666 It’s crazy how some people refuse to tell the truth even if it makes life so much simpler. It’s confounding.

[@iamneophyte]

With eugene im almost a bit miffed that he does some quantizing and sample replacing, even on his live clips. Ive seen him live, he can absolutely play that shit. There might be flaws, some missed snares here, some popcorn kicks there, who cares. He is a human monster, but still a fucking monster!

[@hazardeur]

and you respect that? that's how far we have gone already? you know what i respect? raw footage. untampered with. you know, the real stuff. that i can respect. if it's for recording the album ok, everybody applies some studio magic then. but for youtube playthroughs and all that stuff, why not just release an honest to god raw footage? we'd probably only have a fraction of drummers releasing drum videos in that case.

[@beatbasher]

You're spot on mate. I used to produce and play in a death metal band. I'm not a drummer, but I'm not that stupid that I can't notice hearing snare hits when the snare isn't being hit. It couldn't be more blatant. That's when I started to smell a rat but you picked up on so many more obvious issues. Very observant of you. I expect this video to be gone soon unfortunately. Keep up the good content.

[@SuperTurbo9001]

Someone call Karl Jobst

[@kraterkop]

Hello you absolute legends

[@matthewhennessey5967]

The speed drumming community.

[@bwa_8]

"Lord" Billy Mitchell 😂

[@zakafx]

​@@bwa_8rofl

[@thaddeusfromsonar]

Finally, a drummer who actually USES triggers doing a commentary on another trigger drummer. i’m very tired of anti-trigger drummers using that as their only complaint

[@BlazonStone]

I think Samus did a big favor of making this a more accepted way of doing things

[@Bemenhorst]

Saying triggers are cheating is so 2012

[@BaerndXP]

Oh yes! Thanks for that comment.

[@lred1383]

triggers are like anything else, fine in moderation. Some drummers trigger their entire kit, and it just sounds like a midi in guitar pro

[@TheFapFactory]

What’s a trigger? I am genuinely asking

[@leftyfl1p]

A lot of people commenting don’t seem to understand the effects this type of “cheating” has on other drummers. Marco is setting a bar that is so high that it’s physically impossible to compete with. A lot of people look up to this guy and when they try to emulate his drumming and realize they can’t they will feel inferior and like they aren’t good enough. They tell themselves maybe it’s not for me and go somewhere else where they feel they have a fighting chance. In reality the other human they were “competing” with was just a computer that they could physically never win against. Happens in competitive gaming all the time.

[@twistymcfistysback]

What nonsense Even if you take away that 7% he is still hitting insane speeds that are unrealistic for 98% of drummers. He Played live with vital remains, brain drill, sleep terror. That’s pretty unrealistic for the majority. He can clearly play 280 easy, how realistic is that for most?

[@BIIIIGBODDY]

​@@twistymcfistysback they need to invent a new word to describe your level of marco dickriding

[@FIReOOB]

​Just let it go brother, you don't even know what you talking about.​@@twistymcfistysback

[@thegreathambone]

Plus Marco makes sure to let everyone know he is the best drummer alive every time he says anything at all. Also how much harder he works than everyone else, drumming especially. He tries to flex being in 822 bands that 7 people listen to in total as well while bragging about how he recorded entire albums in 1 take constantly. He’s one of the most egotistical drummers in the modern metal scene and all he really has to show for it in the end is playing in SFU lmao. You’re right. He’s very misleading and people definitely look up to him.

[@georgekurtz6189]

Then why cheat?​@@twistymcfistysback

[@JamesKnoerl]

God damn this tea tastes delicious.

[@z.1628]

I thought there's a picture of Jesus(?!) , among metal drumming.. Sorry, I thought you put Jesus'spicture to "purify all the evil" from ppl here.. I thought there's a Christian trying to say"youre all sinners here! Repent!!" (or whatever)...Now I see you're just a lookalike...

[@nkoperweis]

@@z.1628 Believe it or not, there are many men with long hair and beards

[@dr.threatening8622]

My coffee is just the tits, goes so well with this.

[@ManChildEntertainment]

I love it. You're the man for this one. Props, dude.

[@sc2thrashmetal]

This feels like an old school Craig Reynolds "Natty or Not" video haha. Great video man, thanks for all your insight on this!

[@OfficiallySatan]

natty or not is back too! He just did riccardo's archspire audition

[@Lazy_eye_blobFish]

Never thought I would see a drum video that is made by a drummer.I've never heard of talking about a drummer ever heard of and the comments section brings up coach craig, Life is good 😂

[@the6ig6adwolf]

So far, Kevin Paradis is the only guy that's good enough to get the Archspire gig.

[@Max1290.]

Facts. He was the first person i thought off, when i heard that archspire are looking for a new drummer🤘🏻

[@deftones3138]

John Longstreth's recent video made it look wayyy too easy

[@michaeljoefox]

I could do it without issue. No hands eyes closed. But unfortunately I’m busy that day :/

[@intracosm]

You ain't heard Andy Vincent? The blast apostle!?!?

[@Diatonic5th]

Great video! Fake drumming has really been an epidemic for 10+ years on KZbin. It all started with the drum cover channels that boost the original drums from a song REALLY loud in the video, and then the performer buries their mix in the background. There are a lot of attractive KZbinrs miming really difficult songs by artists like Tool and getting thousands of followers for it🤦‍♂

[@TonyKoehl]

I love ya Mikey, thanks for pointing this out. I love that you are such a student of your instrument. Im mad proud of you for doing what you do. I remember watching drummers with you at the Las Vegas death fest many moons ago and how you were breaking down drummers techniques for me. That was one of my highlights of the fest. Miss you brutha looking forward to the next time our paths cross. Keep kicking ass my friend!!!!!!!

[@Coryiodine]

Marco reminds me of a few other ytbers who would bully people, hide comments calling it out, and act all positive and fake to the rest of the community. The internet is a fake place.

[@MysteryArchives]

Proud of you for calling things out my friend. We know your chops are real though 😎🖤

[@jdub98d]

pretty ironic cuz dean from Archspire has a video on his channel about how misleading playthrough videos can be for these exact reasons... 🤔

[@AlexNourse52]

Damn mike, you really cooked with this one haha. Marco is a real sick drummer but i never caught or knew about some of this stuff. Dont know why people gotta lie about this stuff.

[@komradenikolai]

I remember a few months ago I had people reccommend I do a review on Marco on my channel. I hate to say that he more than likely fooled me. It is sad to see when someone you thought was legit is actually pulling one over on you. Great video Mike, keep up that hard work, hopefully I'll see you on tour soon, you're a wicked drummer

[@nickh1933]

If people can’t hear that it sounds completely fake, then they seriously have issues with discernment.

[@michaelmiradezandband]

The fact that he had to insult your appearance to make himself feel better says it all. To go for something like that in a genre that's all about being transgressive and going against societal musical norms is just completely ridiculous. You're right to call him out because the unreal standard he sets with his fake videos is damaging to the self-esteem of up-and-coming, young players who haven't developed the analytical ear and experience required to know it's fraudulent.

[@lucasbrucas9632]

Lord Marco is like one of those really beautiful celebrities that gets horrible over-the-top plastic surgery and ends up looking way older than they are. He's always been a great drummer, going back to the Brain Drill days, but I guess the pressure to fill the niche of ultra-fast technical deathcore that literally no human can play was too strong to resist the temptation of editing.

[@a-part]

lol "the niche of ultra-fast technical deathcore" well said, imho things that fast just become a bit funny instead of badass

[@johnnyhicks8034]

Brain Drill was the beginning of the end to me, basically unlistenable. It’s not because I’m old lol, I was 23 when they first came out.

[@EmptyKingdoms]

​@@johnnyhicks8034 I was about a decade younger than you, and it didn't suit my hearing well either. It was funny for showing off as a listener of different music, but it wasn't _good_ music. The niche seems to me to have lost musicality in favour of speed and technique. And I don't mean dissonance, I can handle dissonance absurdly well. It's just a loss of musicality, of artistry, in favour of show offism.

[@a-part]

@@johnnyhicks8034 for me was cradle of filth and black metal gettin faster and faster

[@sevenman9672]

Well made video Marco is a great drummer who influenced many but his personality often comes out over his interactions over time.

[@unknownkingdom]

I was calling him out as a turd of a human being for years

[@_misterwilly]

Thanks for calling him out. Been following his work since the early Vornagar days, and I am bummed but not surprised. Most of his videos sound inhuman, and now I know why. It's kind to dumb to lie about it because he's clearly a great drummer. Like, let's say he's 90% clean at 300bpm, isn't that better than the overwhelming majority of drummers? Isn't that enough? Does he really need to lie to get that extra "credit"? Damn...

[@170AndBeyond]

I still listen to that vornager Hyperion drum tracking video all the time. Don’t listen to much death metal or metal in general anymore but I love that video lol.

[@pleasuretokill]

@@170AndBeyond That video and Roddy's "behold judas" I must have played both 1000 times lol

[@rosmakloma]

Good on you for calling his bluff, it’s visually obvious what a sped up video feed looks like. Even if all of that plane was accurate, who the hell wants to sound like a machine?

[@cameronvincent4081]

Perfect guy for a pair of Six Feet Under shorts.

[@JTTTTT850]

He is IN six feet under or he was idk currently

[@tussk.]

Who ever said Hey dude, thats awsome, but could you play it 7% faster?' What a stupid thing to do.

[@xthexxmessiahx8875]

This now explains why I’ve been getting archspire drum covers recommended to me non stop for the past few days LMAO

[@mcpolarbear13]

When “Setting the bar too high for other drummers” goes wrong

[@theargentino4245]

Unrelated but.... If Maximilian Dood was a Music content creator rather than video games.

[@Jeffmetal42]

Let's go!!!

[@Etherion]

Hahahaha

[@pathangeo3]

I’ve actually started giggling during this video. I love coming across pages of people calling out fake people. It’s my favorite content

[@FrederickChampaguno]

😂😂 same here

[@BIIIIGBODDY]

Bless Mike Caputo

[@TallMatt]

Chris Boddy

[@a.j.liedtke4645]

This is a video i've been waiting for ever since "The Husk Drum Playthrough" was released.

[@dylanforrester3720]

Kevin Paradis, Ken Bedene, and David Diepold would be great for the gig. REAL fast drummers, that everyone overlooks because of the fake ones. Those people don’t understand just how hard this stuff is

[@MiscCH]

Don't forget Cole

[@bigwillthang]

Anthony Barone is on that level as well 🔥

[@mattvdh]

Yeah man, I've seen Kevin and Ken live and they are absolutely freaks. Ken's fills and blasts sounded the coolest, but the most 'wow' and impressive drumming has to be Kevin. People don't seem to understand how insanely talented Kevin is, might be the language barrier or his very serious attitude.

[@thedruidzmademe666]

​@@bigwillthangAnthony barones raw pad practice videos are insanely fast

[@bigwillthang]

@@thedruidzmademe666 it's absurd. I'll just say I'd much rather see him doing other things than ATR but he is world class and anyone that can lock him down is lucky to have him.

[@MDGMDG78]

Mike literally clicking the "dislike" button on marcos comments is hilarious for no reason

[@8SweetPotatoLattes]

Loved this video, just subscribed. I'm totally here for more from "the Karl Jobst of Death Metal" lol the world needs you and folks like TanktheTech calling out extreme metal drummer hacks!

[@Invontor]

It's such a big deal for someone with a name and stake in the extreme drumming community actually make a stand about this. Huge props for sticking your chin out Mike (haha get it Marco!?). Like you said, he IS an impressive drummer, but his incessant need to pass off faked/edited/quantized/etc videos as real truly makes him despicable. It literally goes back a decade on his KZbin channel. Marco's actions directly damage the community by building a fake resume and setting the bar impossibly high, thus take session/recording gigs away from drummers who DON'T cheat. "Don't bite the hand that feeds" "I've never spoke negatively about another drummer" "I only wish to influence...", yeah I guess that's all true--he's only lied, cheated and stolen from his peers! Absolute narcissist and hypocrite, just sad.

[@MikeDavidson-u4w]

Well said

[@suffer247]

Just a thoroughly brutal takedown. I loathe bullshit liars.

[@warmetalpacifist]

The only thing authentic about Rings of Saturn's music is the drama surrounding it.

[@worhed3722]

Marco had nothing to do with rings except recording one studio album lol but alright.

[@gualt420]

@@worhed3722 Dude there’s so much drama with Rings don’t play dumb

[@worhed3722]

​@gualt6762 when did I say anything about that? I said lord Marco had barely anything to do with any rings drama, not that they don't have any? Who's dumb again?

[@worhed3722]

​@@gualt420Lucas is garbage yeah everyone knows that, that's where the drama begins and ends

[@shredicusmaximus]

I wish we could normalize calling people out for being liars and cheaters and stop with all the hate towards the messenger. This is also a huge problem in the guitar community, and not even just metal. If I had a dollar for every cliffs of dover cover video I've seen where it was immediately obvious to me that it's sped up by at least 20% I'd be a rich man......but no, I'm the A-hole for pointing out that their vibrato sounds like shit because it's sped up. Personally I don't understand it, it has to be incredibly depressing to see so many people praise you for something you faked and can't actually play. Kudos to having the balls to not back down and point this type of thing out!

[@Paroex]

Shout out to Jonas Anttila's cover of Cliffs of Dover which allegedly was the only thing he practiced for 4 years. Best I've heard.

[@Milehighshred]

Wow. Nice work! A definite shame a video like this needs to be made, but I'm grateful you did it. That Go Pro footage sounded great too! I think that's more impressive than the edited version, because it clearly sounds real.

[@JamesFulgieri]

Thank you for making a video like this Mike! It's refreshing to see someone that has the balls to call out people and their BS. What's also crazy is the amount of times I've seen people do similar stuff with guitar covers (mainly on Instagram) where they're playing, but you don't hear their gear, only the song, yet they'll claim the tone is theirs. It all just makes me laugh... they'll get theirs one day.

[@BDMusic2021]

10:34 those are absolutely not a gated raw snare and kick. Definitely samples. Nothing wrong with triggering samples, but don’t lie about it.

[@whatcanibreakdrums]

This is why I love you. Straight facts, no hear say and receipts! I already have to combat people thinking I edit just because I play on an electric kit (which I don't edit anything, ever) but to say with your whole chest it isn't edited and post it, is crazy...

[@theSpakksen]

I don't drum. Pushing 40 and plays the guitar enough to mildly entertain my kids. This was an humble and on point break down. Don't know why he would speed it up, he is all ready really fast imho.

[@JkDrums1]

Mad respect for the callouts man, we need more of this. Keep people honest.

[@Jalex_Owns]

Looks like he's taken down or hidden the entire video outright at this point. Searched his channel for "rings of saturn," and nada.

[@mikecaputoschin]

They're still up

[@dom3827]

@@mikecaputoschin you just unprivated them again after we found out and after we found out this is your new account marco?

[@thehanukkandor590]

​@mikecaputoschin 3 day old account marco? Really? There is no need to fake videos and lie about it.

[@calgoalden4686]

just found this chan, huge fan already!

[@brownpaste]

"hello you absolute legends"

[@MikeHammersmithreselling]

Very interesting stuff! I'm not a musician but have enjoyed watching these audition videos and something seemed off about Marco, and always has to a degree. Excellent detective work.

[@thatsameenergy]

It genuinely makes me so confused when someone who is genuinely as talented as Lord Marco, someone who is actually a really good drummer, feels the need to edit this heavily. Like, why? Edit: I'll even add this to my comment. I think Marco could fill the Archspire spot perfectly. The dude is that good.

[@brian-michaelmedina5472]

Anyone that has any semblance of playing and understands what physically possible as a musician you’ll realize just how many musicians fake a lot of their playing, including musicians in other communities. This is what has happened, people want to hyper optimize everything to the point where they will remove the human aspect of music…which is slight inconsistencies…and every musician no matter how good has it. It’s why no human can play perfectly in time to a T, we’re not machines. More guys like this need to be addressed because otherwise it creates a toxic environment, as cringe as that sounds

[@antonmaclean8418]

Call out all cheating drummers for younger honest drummers that are trying hard to keep up with them

[@DesignRhythm]

When someone attacks you personally, instead of attacking the substance of your argument, you know u won. Nice job on the detective work. It's such a strange thing for Marco to lie about when it he still sounds hella fast without the manipulation.

[@GilBeloGil]

On the snare he used the force so hard the snare was just trembling in fear. +6 intimidation.

[@noBearAdventures]

I love this content, and I’m extremely impressed by the work you put in. Love the drama, and I appreciate the community’s input. Drum Experience: in 4th grade I split bongo work in a school performance with Jamie Bradley. Who incidentally, also sped up his raws.

[@gualt420]

Dude finally someone is talking about this. Marco is a great drummer no doubt but man no one fucking talks about him speeding up videos. I thought I was crazy

[@rottingcorpse6565]

Slightly speeding up performance videos so that they seem incredible while also plausible?! Who would do such a thing!? Instagram guitarists sweating nervously

[@devinplayseverything3764]

There’s a channel by a dude called Karl Jobst in which he exposes fake speedrun videos for video games. This could be that but with drums. I’d watch it all day.

[@JesterWDE]

Peep the description

[@iCookCrystalMeth]

@@JesterWDEnice lol

[@AliceJ.]

Thought the exact same thing when I saw this!!!!

[@ClickKlack43]

Same theme here. Top performers who don’t need to cheat, but do, then lie about it. 😂

[@theMelvinShow]

this was actually a pretty well-mannered take on a subject like this. At first I didn't even want to watch it because I feared it would leave a bad after taste like when Miles did his video on Charles Caswell/Berried Alive. Saw you on that RoS gig and that was what made me follow you. Keep going man.

[@TOOMANYPUPPI3S]

This is a great video, thanks for breaking it all down in a calm and collected way. I was actually thinking about (I think it was the second clip) his phantom limb gravity blasts the other day lol. Also "sold my chin to the devil at the crossroads" made me literally laugh out loud hahahaha, keep shredding bro.

[@Martti020]

What is your opinion on Riccardo Merlini? His hands are obviously really fast and he seems like a great drummer but to me it sounds like in some of his videos he hard quantizes his blasts/gravityblasts and double bass, especially in the latest Archspire audition video. He makes a lot of videos showcasing his hand technique but I've seen none on his foot technique which is sus

[@adnanrawashdeh3965]

He is a phenomenal drummer that's for sure but that last video he did for archspire is stupidly edited

[@Martti020]

@@adnanrawashdeh3965 Exactly, not only that but I remember some Infant Annihilator cover of his being really suspicious too

[@uraniumcranium2613]

​@@Martti020 IA C*ntcrusher is sus. Guy has too bad of a technique to play that fast and clean for that long. even a real drummer like George Kollias would struggle with that nonsense.

[@asciicatface]

[MoistCr1TiKaL "WOOO YEAH BABY THATS WHAT I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR" soundbyte]

[@lefloch9983]

"Lord Marco situation is crazy"

[@asciicatface]

@@lefloch9983 "This is the greatest drum editing of All Time"

[@nicholasbstone]

Imagine being highly skilled and recognized for it, and to still be so insecure that you have to pretend you never have to edit mistakes or missed hits.

[@reezlaw]

"I sold my chin to the devil" what an amazing comeback

[@NickManJams]

The need for musicians to fake their playing to appear better than their contemporaries, or simply to look more impressive, is illustrative of a pandemic of perfectionism. The better you appear the more attention you get. In the attention economy that is social media, those views mean everything. You see this a lot in the social media guitar world. Unrealistic standards and that craving for attention hurts the integrity of the art and artists. It's a shame that this dishonesty and perfectionism is so ubiquitous. I'm not immune to this, either - if I hear mistakes or if something feels off, I instinctually switch to a person who plays "better". We live in a tough world, man.

[@christopherespinoza-darnel8514]

12:04 This is exactly WHAT as well as HOW my girl talks to me about the size of my little guy when I ask her "Does size really matter babe?"

[@beud497]

The Lord Marco situation is crazy

[@hunterh889]

💀

[@Hhhlll7778]

??

[@CorridorOfChameleons94]

Not really, there's more important things in the world.

[@krusher74]

We are witnessing mental issues.

[@mikecaputoschin]

Mike looks unwell

[@colbykinney5633]

Its like when I found out Santa isn't real 😭

[@vinnyolsauskas3794]

EXCUSE ME??

[@mark6302]

lol

[@ALLforROME]

da fuk you mean Santa isn't real?!? MOOOOOOMMMMMM!!!!!!

[@stevenr5149]

you thought santa was real? 😳😅😅🤣

[@colbykinney5633]

@@stevenr5149 I was 9 🤷‍♂️

[@The1rust]

You don't need to be even an amateur drummer to catch the sped up footage and even though it was only 7.5%, you still can't escape the uncanny feeling you get when you watch his motions as well as those of his kit. Just that alone is enough for someone like to me believe there's a lot more funny business tucked in with editing but since I don't know drumming I'll let the rest to the pros.