The Truth about those "Fake" drumming videos.

[@BeatsAndMeats]

Glenn.. I CANT BELIEVE you don’t have the exact same opinions as I do!!! Unsubscribed!!!

[@massapower]

GOOD RIDDANCE !!

[@axemanfishing2703]

Hmmm, guess he hurt your feelings. Problem is, hes right. ;-)

[@x8jason8x]

I opened this hoping to find more jokes, but lost faith in humanity instead. 😭

[@drdrew7475]

​@massapower it's a... you get it's a joke, right? 😅

[@motcUS]

dont feed into it… lmfao

[@kevinparadisdrummer]

Hey dude ! Thanks for the kind words ! I have watched many of your videos and I want to say thank you for the content ! Just for the record only my bass drum is triggered and I have used no samples at all on snare and toms. Not even a blend. 100% mic. Best wishes dude ! Cheers.

[@laporteestouverte]

You are a beast and a legend. Anyone who has watched many videos from your channel knows that you are genuine and the real deal.

[@taylorbrown7791]

i really hope you get the gig man

[@Nefville]

I hope you get that job Kevin! No one deserves it more!

[@kgbstudio]

you're easily my favourite of all the drummers I watched

[@SpectreSoundStudios]

Great work! Fwiw, I’d love to have you on the show at some point!!

[@SunnyHF-nf4bc]

No offense, but the issue is the lying. Nobody cares if they trigger or edit as long as they don’t lie about it. Ricardo and Lord Marco lied. They lied about it. That was the issue.

[@JeremyAndersonBoise]

And over the last four decades, many lies have been told in metal record production. As a former metalhead from the 1980’s: Metal is for poseurs, straight up.

[@slayabouts]

@@JeremyAndersonBoise because metalheads are nice people cosplaying as mean people

[@johannjohann6523]

Let me know when that happens. Bands being honest that note on your ticket "* No live music at Tonight's concert. The band decided to use backing tracks instead because they have hangovers from drinking too much last night. And for the entire tour". Because then I'll know "Hell just froze over". lol

[@jerryhatrick5860]

Milli vanilli lied. Then it became accepted to lip sync instead of singing the shows..as ozzy Hahahahaha

[@AnzaShadow]

​@@johannjohann6523 Using backing tracks and playing to a playback aren't the same. Latter is literally bands pretending to play and backinc tracks are tracks that can't be produced live (orchestras, massive backing vocals, any electronic parts). Sure, you could bring an entire orchestra to a tour but who actually has the budget to bring a 60+ piece orchestra on the road.

[@Jjsssssss]

I think this video is missing the point. No one in the "extreme drumming world" is operating under the assumption that kicks (or even snares much of the time) would be acoustic. Everyone is aware that triggers are used, and triggers are widely encouraged, especially for kicks, as it would be physically impossible to produce this type of music without them. The reason many of these drummers were getting called out was because they were uploading videos where they stated that the tracks were _unedited_. By unedited we don't mean devoid of triggers, we mean edits in post-production, such as aligning things to the grid and editing in samples where hits were missed or such. Everyone knows that most album recordings are grid aligned as well, but you can't do that live, so whoever gets the new role of playing drums for a band like Archspire has to be able to play it "clean enough" live, but it's never gonna be perfect like on an album.

[@icipher6730]

yep, this video misses the original point. entirely.

[@getshwiftygaming447]

this is a misinformed take, not that many people know about triggers and triggers aren't cheating. these guys claiming the videos aren't edited aren't lying you guys just complain about everything while being about as knowledgeable as a peasant in the dark age.

[@theabsolute23]

@@Jjsssssss claiming that it’s physically impossible to produce this type of music without triggered kicks is a delusional take. It’s completely possible to use raw, untriggered, unquantized bass drum audio in high-BPM, high-bass drum density extreme metal; as brutal death metal bands have been doing since the early 90’s. It may be impossible for them to be easily audible or well enunciated in a mix without triggering when playing 16th and 32nd notes nonstop at comically stupid speeds, but that’s an inherent flaw with this new ilk of artificial deathcore bands like Archspire, rings of saturn, infant annihilator etc., who write guitarpro drumlines with virtually no dynamics, often playing that nonstop machine gun double bass trite with double strokes instead of single alternating stroke with swivel technique like they should be played.

[@fat_mason]

Thank you! Absolutely agree. So many people are completely missing the point. Triggers are not the issue. Dishonesty is.

[@NetherlordAxenrot]

Agreed 💯%. POST production is their issue.

[@somethingelsedoesmatter]

The issue wasn't sampling, it was the lying - claiming a playthrough video is unedited / raw - then defending the lie once you're caught and called out. Personally, it seems like a non-issue. I'm with you, I don't love this race to be the fastest. Lombardo all day.

[@SpectreSoundStudios]

Sampling IS lying

[@SiberianHusky666]

​@@SpectreSoundStudios Cut the crap, you know damn well that is not what he was saying.

[@joshshultz1250]

​@@SpectreSoundStudios EQing is lying

[@dinospumoni663]

@@SpectreSoundStudiosare you being deliberately obtuse?

[@mattdauph]

@@dinospumoni663 have you SEEN his channel before?

[@anthonygillette]

I’m absolutely fine with triggers and stuff so long as they’re actually playing it

[@Compendyum]

"He's firing up samples, not actually playing the drums" lol

[@WhereThereDude]

But would you consider it "playing" if the guy is barely touching the snare and sounding like a machine gun ? 7:14

[@John.Longstreth]

dude. thanks for the pointers! There is a trigger on the snare that i attempted to blend with the live snare. Kicks are triggered and i played them.

[@SpectreSoundStudios]

Thanks for dropping by, John! Please check out GIK acoustics, they can help clean up that cymbal harshness

[@bmw_m4255]

hi john

[@bmw_m4255]

you've been playing insane fast kicks for over 25 years, and this goonies mom looking goofball said they were "bullshit" damn... I understand why Derek Roddy was disappointed in the "metal community"

[@ambassadortourettes753]

@@bmw_m4255Roddy didn’t use any triggers on Malevolent Creation In Cold Blood if I recall🧐 However ☝️Hate Eternal King of All Kings I am almost positive is recorded all organic…

[@Maplefoxx-vl2ew]

@@ambassadortourettes753 you can't compare the sound of a hate eternal album to the sound of today's metal. music production has come a long way from having to pay thousands to rent equipment , we can now have premium quality sound from our homes. i know old metalheads hate this. they love the sludgy sound.. i truly don't .. i grew up listening to sludgy metal. i can't anymore hurts my eears.. .like Morbid Angel sound like crap to me now. good band but the sound is horrible for my ears now.

[@SWhorton]

Started the video at 0.5 speed and I thought Glenn was wasted 😂

[@PooNinja]

I watch about everything in 2 x so it was very entertaining till i dropped to a respectable 1.5 speed 😂

[@sjoerdvisser76]

Hi-la-rious!! Thanks for the tip. It made the rant a whole lot more entertaining!😂

[@TazzSmk]

@@PooNinja hah yea same here too, I was like "dude they're playing fast, ofc it's triggered" xD

[@michaelolz]

That is fun. 😂

[@ImaginationMeme]

@@PooNinjahow can you possibly watch anything in 2x speed

[@mattvdh]

Kevin Paradis is the real deal, I've seen him live a few times. He can legit blast at 320bpm.

[@petegrusky2715]

So...?

[@JDODify]

I always find that music like this doesn't sound heavy - it just doesn't hit. Its like ugly video game music or angry wallpaper. Its just all at one level.

[@timdrum3517]

Nintendo with double bass. No feeling, no soul.😮

[@awandererfromys1680]

Exactly. I mean I'm impressed by the technical side of it but there's no groove. How do you even headbang to this?

[@ciniclay]

I've seen Kevin live from just a few feet away. If anyone can pull it off, he can!

[@drewcadaver]

This. I watched him from side stage when Benighted supported Aborted. Absolutely insane stuff.

[@rondorn4331]

Dude if Archspire is not your thing, I get it. But if they wind up on the boat you should join me and check them out. I think they do bring the song writing as well as the technical 'holy crap' vibe.

[@SpectreSoundStudios]

Ok! I’ll be sure to check them out

[@AG-mz7vm]

Archspire is an amazing band and Dave Oteros mixes on their albums are killer.

[@nathansterling639]

​​@@SpectreSoundStudios Yo ✌️ title track from Relentless Mutation is a great starting point, maybe the best dynamics in the catalogue. My personal favorites after that is Acrid Canon or Drain.O.I from the third record. Dave oteros a beast! & So are these guys! 🤘

[@BittersweetDuality]

Archspire's music is fucking GREAT. Don't get me wrong, there are obviously a fuckton of tech death bands you can accurately say prioritize difficulty of performance over musicality, but Archspire is not one of them. Very well-written songs

[@theabsolute23]

@@BittersweetDuality archspire is great if you just started listening to extreme metal this year and don’t know quality yet

[@BittersweetDuality]

@theabsolute23 I'll bet you anything that we have plenty of overlap in our favorite extreme metal bands.

[@theabsolute23]

@@BittersweetDuality Possibly. Defeated sanity, epicardiectomy, devourment, brodequin, early decapitated, early dying fetus, pig destroyer, waking the cadaver, discordance axis do anything for you?

[@BittersweetDuality]

@theabsolute23 Yeah I love Decapitated and Dying Fetus. In fact Nihility has been my favorite tech death album for years and years. Defeated Sanity has been on my to-do list to check out but haven't gotten around to em yet

[@theabsolute23]

@ New Defeated Sanity is amazing they’re releasing another full length in a month which is gonna feel like Christmas morning for me, highly recommend you check out their old stuff beforehand too. The first half of Disposal of the Dead, Psalms of the Moribund, and Passages into Deformity are all perfect to me. I love Nihility too, kinda hard to pick between whether or not I like Nihility or Winds of Creation more.

[@sultankosmitov6293]

Glenn, come on. Album stuff and metric fucktons of processing are one thing - sometimes the "whatever it takes" approach is the go to. That's what the studio is for, after all. But people expect all this insanely precise diarrhea of notes to be played on the stage (samples or not) and THERE ARE actual humans in the extreme genres who can pull it off. Of all people, I'd rather expect you to be the one to remember that triggered drums also need skill and precision. Especially from a drummer who's supposed to do this live. People hate the fake auditions because these players try to get views by blatantly lying.

[@fat_mason]

@@sultankosmitov6293 👏👏👏💯

[@Chillnel]

I mean he does kinda say this at point lols 😝

[@DissonanceApproved]

Archspire, Aborted, Cattle Decapitation are some of my most beloved bands. You can't compare extreme technical modern death metal to bands like fucking steel panther and whatnot. That's like comparing steel panther and all those boomer metal bands to Acoustic Country music and saying "yeah distortion on guitars is bullshit and kills the message". I get where you're coming from and i usually agree with most of your rants, but you really missed the mark here, Glenn - because the "real ones" in these genres are still doing it for the message and not to be the "most mathematical" - i guarantee you that.

[@NetherlordAxenrot]

💯💯💯

[@AG-mz7vm]

This!

[@awandererfromys1680]

_Steel Panther_ is more a parody of boomer metal bands though, kinda like _Nanowar of Steel._ I mean, you still can't compare them with _Archspire_ but as far as messages goes, theirs is an intentional joke.

[@odhinnswrath]

I think you missed the point no one is faking triggering its pretty obivous in this genre you have to trigger kick and snare. The "faking" of the videos is people claiming they are live recorded, unedited takes when they are not.

[@SpectreSoundStudios]

I’m not the one who missed the point.

[@thorstenthorben196]

@@SpectreSoundStudios hell yes you did... missed by about 20 years.

[@senilodemenzi5739]

@@SpectreSoundStudios Yes, you did, and I think you did it on purpose.

[@HabAnagarek]

You don't "have to" trigger anything

[@odhinnswrath]

@@HabAnagarek for sure, but in the the tech death genre it's fairly common practice to achieve level sounds when hitting what amounts to ghost notes.

[@multimike2030]

I like that Glenn has conceded that for Archspire-level music, things like kick triggers are needed to sample the full power of a kick at that kind of speed. Also want to point out that Archspire's music itself is actually very well-written, the guitar melody lines are really memorable and catchy, and they're getting more popular as time goes on.

[@krokmiten]

John Longstreth played on our last album THETA and I mixed it, I can attest that his blastbeats and gravity blast are deceptively loud and consistenté His kicks are triggered but he plays them for real, I could hear them in drum cam mic he made. He's the real deal. I does need room treatment, I'll give you that much.

[@DerSilvano]

What is is with this current trend of "I didn't want to make this video" or something along those lines?

[@raxusquin]

It's not a trend. If you say something controversial or critical it's normal to not feel like being brigaded by crybabies for taking about it. Just general Internet culture these days

[@Dm3qXY]

@@raxusquin nope, it's making deals with the algo.. as a trend; then later on changing the title or thumbnail, or both to something that would have made sense originally

[@DerSilvano]

@@raxusquin Yeah but this "I didn't want to do a video on so and so" and then proceeding to do a video like they ow us something is...weird. Hypocritical maybe?

[@theabsolute23]

I do wish people felt comfortable saying things that are going to be controversial without feeling the need to pre-emptively apologize and damage control with the “I didn’t wanna talk about this” line. Besides, the only people that are going to be upset about this video are the fake problem drummers themselves, archspire fans, etc., so who actually cares. Mike Caputo, Dan Presland; a lot of the drummers in the scene have already outwardly criticized the rampant editing and faking in modern metal drumming, it’s not like Glenn’s the first to say something, he’s taking an already established side

[@getshwiftygaming447]

@@DerSilvano that's a delusional take

[@vinikamatv2309]

2024 we still have guys that don't get the difference between triggers and faking/edits

[@resington]

Arch Spire push boundaries but also write actual songs.

[@BrianBower]

I love Archspire! They're hilarious too.

[@Gainovermg]

…you sure about that?

[@Sergio-nb4hj]

​@@GainovermgI mean it's one of their objectives as a band yeah

[@CCDaDon15]

They write boring tech death that's just basically tech9ine songs in cookie monster growls (I like death metal and cookie monster growls.... when it's good... like Atheist, Bloodbath, etc)

[@orionbekesi]

@@CCDaDon15 Archspire's compositions are actually good listen to Drain of incarnation. Atheist writes riffs salads.

[@lorislaruedrummer6739]

I don't get in wich world you would review some archspire videos and say "omg the kick is triggered" no shit

[@reezlaw]

It's absurd

[@GuitarsAndSoundNZ]

As a live engineer for extreme metal, you might want to consider learning a little bit more about this sort of stuff. The kicks etc and sampled bullshit, they are not "replaced" as such. They are not replaced in the studio, they are triggered. They are playing it. It is the same as playing an e kit, you still have to play it. As far as John goes, its all natural with triggered kicks. Same goes for most on this video.

[@TheRhythmZone]

Historically is their "Keys to the Lamborghini" moment 🤷🏽

[@iamabulldozer]

Hey, I just wanted to let you know I appreciated you making this 16 minute video addressing a point no one is making.

[@AG-mz7vm]

LOL

[@eamonahern7495]

I like Archspire. They're one of my favourite bands. I saw them live in Dublin in March of last year. Spencer is a phenomenal drummer and I'm sad he's gone from the band. He was always transparent about using triggers and heel toe technique on the bass drums. He actually fills them to keep them muffled. The band plays to a click track in their in-ears to stay tight live. The vocalist Oli is the technical death metal version of a stand-up comedian. I get what you're saying about time alignment and quantizing. But I got over that because they're a fun band with personality and what they play is better than listening to guys chugging away at the low strings and not going passed the 5th fret. Edit: Dave Lombardo is my favourite drummer of all time though.

[@hairychris444]

IIRC Archspire play to stems as opposed to simply a click. Which is pretty funny!

[@dinospumoni663]

You somehow missed the entire point.

[@EmperorKamikaze]

$10,000 drumsets, mic'd up and then "replaced". Makes me laugh. Get a $300 Alesis nitro then, jeez

[@MarkRigler]

Probably wear out the nitro in a week

[@JackLStroem]

That is such a pet peeve of mine.. Metal musicians are so elitist they need all the expensive mics they can read about on gearslutz, only to sample replace them... and yet it still sounds like shit! In the 80s i ready people used drum synths/samplers and recorded live cymbals. That stuff sounds fantastic in my opinion. But honestly just mic a drumkit up with some mics and go to town and watch some youtube videos on mixing, its really not that difficult to get a decent/passable result.

[@nyack666]

But nobody will watch your video or attend your live concert if you use e drums, no?

[@Bilsuburbians]

After seeing your comment about alesis nitro, the price is not 300ish, but higher wtf. Sure youve got nice taste dude

[@leedurham8625]

@@MarkRigler no Alan Cassidy has had his Roland going strong for a while.. its hard as hell to wear a pad or mesh head out

[@nathanfisher4452]

40 year player here, I use a trigger on my kick, I love the bottom it gives me live, I turn it down on certain songs, and use it more on others. Here’s the deal, use them right, and they sound great….

[@GhostNoteAudio]

I don't know, man, I have to disagree with you on htis one. I have absolutely no problem with ultra-processed music, drum triggers and all that - a lot of people like that sonic aesthetic. But I see it as something closer to beat making or EDM production, than actual musical performance. But... that's fine - nothing wrong with that, it's just a different genre of music! 🙂 Lots of people like EDM and it would be ridiculous to criticise that genre for their use of "fake drums"... drum machines are the foundation on which the genre was built! It's the same with this new wave of metal music; it's just a different musical genre, and people, by and large, happen to like it. The only thing I would possibly take issue with, is if someone meticulously edits their performance to "perfection" and tries to pass it off as a live take. That's the same as a singer being autotuned to hell and back, and trying to claim it's their natural voice. As long as people are up front and honest about it, there's absolutely zero problems. BUT - I don't think kick drum triggers fall into that category! Ever seen a live MPC finger-drumming performance? Is that "fake and bullshit" because they're just launching samples? I don't think so!

[@DrMackSplackem]

"The only thing I would possibly take issue with..." That's what I thought this video was going to be about, and now I'm just confused. I think Glen may be trolling here.

[@nicholasbstone]

​@@DrMackSplackemGlenn just didn't spend enough time looking into it before making the video and thus missed the whole point. As many others have stated.

[@dio4912]

Finally. That's what I was talking about triggers the whole time. You cannot not to use triggers at this point, because playing 180bpm+ is weak. It sounds weak, you have to trigger it. but on the other hand you missed the point. The thing is, there are a lot of cheaters, for example, adding/removing sounds, speed up the video etc.

[@faultylinedup]

OLD MAN SHAKES FIST AT METAL SUBGENRE

[@AG-mz7vm]

LOL

[@TheSpineSplitter1990]

Pretty much..

[@restojon1]

I'm an old man... I think I might mindlessly join in with the fist-shaking. 😄((✊️)) Shake harder, boy!!

[@JeremyAndersonBoise]

Yeah, sure, but do you disagree? In what ways? Do you have anything to contribute or you just REALLY LIKE ALL CAPS? You have failed to state an opinion, but you are certainly free to be a chucklehead. I am free to think that’s no way to live. Substantive thoughtful discourse is my kink.

[@faultylinedup]

@@JeremyAndersonBoise DISCOURSE DEEZ NUTS 🥜

[@proctjg]

Glenn: "I don't fucking get it." Yeah. We can tell.

[@transmundanemusic]

Fake drum playthroughs, fake guitar playthrough, fake vocal playthroughs. Welcome to the age of modern social media musicians. The metal space is the worst about it. Not a single authentic performance in site. Triggers are debatable for me. The bigger issue imo is post editing, and miming to an edited performance. In addition to playing half speed and then speeding up etc.

[@orlock20]

And they still can't write a decent song. That's why many do covers even if it's there own song at their concerts.

[@theofficialdiamondlou2418]

Not this guy !!!

[@binh.pham277]

It's everywhere, not only metal

[@transmundanemusic]

@@binh.pham277 that is true, I guess I’m just more aware of it in the metal space since I spend a lot of my time there.

[@asserkortteenniemi4878]

"Not a single authentic performance in site. " are you sure you're not exaggerating a bit here?

[@PooNinja]

Does it serve the song? If so who cares if its a sample or a capture of a live performance?

[@UncleBlasto]

Dean Lamb, please put out a video of Oli singing a few bars of Bone Force Navigator.

[@NetherlordAxenrot]

🎉DISTORTION HAS ENTERED THE CHAT 🎉 They all had this rhetoric in the 50’s about electric guitars. SAME SHIT 😂

[@reezlaw]

I bet these kids wouldn't be able to have that sustain with acoustic guitars! Those palm muted 16ths would be inaudible! Fake!

[@KaldDodeGitarist]

I love Glenn and his videos, but shitting on Archspire feels a lot like "old man yelling at clouds" lol

[@hhaste]

Yeah, he really should have chosen Rings of Saturn or Infant Annihilator as the main subject band, even though hes still watching the Archspire auditions. Archspire at least still plays live, without programming anything.

[@theabsolute23]

@@hhasteI’d say RoS, infant annihilator and archspire are all in the same boat as far as fake drum augmentation goes. At least RoS (who also fake and speed up some of their guitarlines) try (or used to try) to make some unique scalar lines to fit with the whole alien concept

[@XueYlva]

​@theabsolute23 I think Archspire's music is way more boring than RoS or IA, but ironically deserve to be kept out of this "overproduction quantized garbage" discussion considering that every single member of their band executes their parts live without issues or cheating. Their drummer can actually play that shit.

[@theabsolute23]

@@XueYlva they may be able to play their shit live but the studio records they put out absolutely sound like “overproduction quantized garbage” and undoubtedly are triggered to hell and probably quantized to grid too, so I’ll never be able to see them as anything else.

[@AG-mz7vm]

This!😁

[@Fartinhalerr]

So you consider triggers to be cheating? I mean.... how is that different from using gear to get the most out of a guitarists performance? I mean no its not an apples to apples comparison but you get my drift

[@PeterCamberwick]

It's not a good comparison, yes you're right.

[@misternarwhalart]

I agree its not great comparison, but I also don't think triggers are cheating. I think this video is missing the point, and I get what you mean

[@SiberianHusky666]

He's tip-toeing around the actual issue. And doing a shitty job of it. The issue is putting something on video that you did not actually play live when the video was originally made. Audio being manipulated afterwards, and only in that artificially manipulated form is it then posted. THAT is the issue, that's it! Post-production bullshit intended to make the listener hear something that never actually occurred.

[@snickpickle]

I can’t argue with your conclusion, Glenn. Yet I am still impressed with the whole meta-metal genre (saving myself a lot of typing of subgenres with that made-up word I just made up now). Each genre and subgenre has its place in the music world, and I, as a classical music composer who dabbles into lots of genres, sometimes have to remind myself of this. I can’t even think that fast, augmented drums or not! Mad respect for the metalverse and for you and your channel, Glenn!

[@FernandoLemusDrums]

this was a hard watch considering you’ve been producing for how long and can’t identity live mic feeds? Also if you have no idea who John Longstreth, educate yourself

[@ErickC]

"John Longstreth’s practice concentrates in antitrust and regulated industries, primarily in the transportation and energy sectors, including administrative and federal court litigation, counseling, and obtaining and challenging regulatory approvals." I consider myself educated!

[@mikecaputoschin]

Agree. I would never hire glen after watching this video

[@sillyness3456]

I really hope Greg gets the job. All his videos were beyond impressive and he has the shortest commute. Btw, Kevin Paradis and John Longstreth are highly sought after session drummers. They also play in some of the most ridiculous bands around: Kevin is in Benighted and John is in both Origin and Hate Eternal.

[@bassclef1686]

I’ve seen this band live twice with Spencer on drums, killer set, everyone killed it! Live it seemed like he had kick and snare triggers, but still an amazing job playing this. I agree, I want real hits on the record, but live I’m more ok with triggers as a utility

[@Dane3p]

Damn Longstreth is legit even without triggers. Dudes a fucking clock and power house on kicks

[@AJ_Drums]

Can you talk about the H910? The 1st non glitch pitch correction tool made in... wait for it..... 1974.

[@damham5689]

Side note. A few decades back I think it was Todd Rundgren who credited "Mac Hine" as the drummer on one of his albums.

[@motcUS]

tldr: “everything is fake so who cares if I’m conflating sample replacement with fake performance”

[@mybrotherjames8579]

I refuse to mute my bass drum or play to a click. Get at me Glenn! 😂

[@travisspaulding2222]

I think drums are the cornerstone of any band. They make or break a band. Vocals are the most identifiable part of a band, but a bad drummer can ruin everything; however, a good drummer can save a lot. I think that is a big reason heavy music has become largely unoriginal. I've written a lot of songs where the drum beat came first, but most of the time, I was jamming with a drummer who came up with the beat on the spot, and we discovered the beginning of a new song and worked it out from there. These days, and I just found this out relatively recently, apparently a lot of people will program drums first using the same loops thousands of other musicians use. Then we wonder why music has become unoriginal. As far as this video, it's just musician olympics. The only people who like someone pretending to play something impossible are gullible musicians. Everyone else just moves on, lol. I miss the days where if you didn't have a drummer, you didn't have a band, lol.

[@AlexLancia]

You can definitely play a gravity blast pretty loud. What non drummers don't know is that it is your whole arm moving that makes that motion

[@Fogeyspasm]

Really does absolutely nothing for me. Sounds as ridiculous as the old Roland drum machine we had that we used to wind up to full speed in rehearsals just for a laugh. It may be clever, obviously some love it but to me a lot of it is just comedy gold.

[@xFuzzyxPicklesx]

lmao comparing faking gravity blasts and triggers. being against triggers is so GEN X

[@deaddrums]

I agree that the dick-measuring contest to the “who can be the fastest” has never made sense to me. But saying this kind of playing carries no meaning/no message and isn’t musical, is the other end of a bad discussion. There are some amazing bands whom have drummers play these kind of styles who are ab-so-lute-ly musical. Fleshgod apocalypse writes classic baroque pieces layered with complete orchestras combined with technical death metal. When there are more than 300 layers of instruments going it makes sense to see the drums more as a layer in the overal composition. Above all, I’d rather have a musician who had to train and work to achieve a certain “style”, even is that being the human equivalent of a drum machine, than to have someone with no talent being edited/cleaned/auto-tuned to fuck.

[@johnterpack3940]

Having tons of layers over white noise doesn't make the noise musical. This drumming conveys nothing. There's no rhythm, which is the fundamental point of drums.

[@deaddrums]

@@johnterpack3940 you’re absolutely right, dedicating countless of years practicing and honing your craft is absolutely the same equivalent as just never having any singing skills and auto-tuning the hell out your “performance”. You can absolutely say “I am not a fan of that kind of playing”, totally valid. But saying something isn’t musical just because you don’t like it is the equivalent of an old man yelling at clouds.

[@johnterpack3940]

@@deaddrums Don't put words in my mouth. I never once said it didn't take skill. I didn't say it isn't musical because I don't like it. I don't like it because it isn't musical. There's a huge difference between the two. You lie as bad as a politician, completely misrepresent what people say.

[@lifeezane3526]

@@johnterpack3940 oh god you accuse someone of using bad arguments while saying one of the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard… « I don’t like it because it’s not musical »… Like really? You get to choose what musicality is? And before you say « no dynamics » ok then harpsichord isn’t musical?… and before your say « always the same shit » yeah the 4/4 rock groove isn’t musical either then… oh and then you’re gonna say « no groove!! » yeah because opera music has no groove it’s not music?… At least be honest, you don’t like it, that’s all…

[@johnterpack3940]

@lifeezane3526 There's a thousand things I don't like that I accept as music. This stuff is just guys pretending to be edgy. Just because you like something doesn't mean it's good.

[@KitWriter]

Okay. As a drummer who has never seen any of your videos before, I enjoyed this. Subscribed! I do not play this fast. But I do have ONE cheat for playing fast live with my feet. Since I am right foot dominant, I use a felt beater for my right and a plastic beater for my left in order to increase the attack sound for my left foot. Is that considered cheating or technique? LOL.

[@cIappo896]

There are few drummers that can actually do this; and the only one I know is George Kollias. The live demo he did with Pearl, playing "4th Arra of Dagon" shows it quite well. It's still way quieter than the sampled drums, but louder than most of these guys can do IRL.

[@warrobotslifehacks5139]

Chris Turner play louder. Because it's bigger bass drum and full leg motion technique. He is not plaing long double bass bars, but difficult patterns

[@extremehyperblast]

anyone bitching, moaning,complaining,talking shit,nutting on themselves about "fake" ANYTHING, forgot the POINT of music. Listen and Like whatever the fuck you want. Enjoy WHY you listen to music. Fast ,slow or otherwise.

[@babybluesound]

I know this video is about drums but I am so proud that I am an accidental owner of the Gotoh HB guitar Glenn has on his wall (see my profile pic). Although mine is the "robin" blue and it lost a lot of it's colour but who cares. Plays and sounds awesome. Just need to practice more.

[@riangarianga]

Aw, by accidental owner I expected to read you actually stole it or something. 😛

[@MarkDaniel-o2o]

This is how I feel about guitar modeling. How many people rely on them to play impossible parts. Give them a real unedited guitar and an amp and see if they can play anything their presets make them think they can play. “An exercise is ridiculousness” this guy said it best.

[@natrixxvision6997]

1:25 Archspire is a technical death metal band. Difficult, yes. Not impossible. Especially for drummers trained in jazz. Don’t forget,….these bands play live too and…they pull it off somehow.

[@damage.0776]

The drummer at 12:15 is Riccardo Merlini. He was a Mike Mangini's student and he's known as the fastest drummer in the world. He really plays every strone

[@metalheadmnw]

This is what happens when a boomer tries to get on the trends with the youngsters. Glenn didnt cover ONE of the drummers at the center of the controversy and literally only ripped on the guys who are legit. Barely glossed over Merlini. Probably afraid of his lawyers. Completely missed the mark with this one. Disappointing tbh.

[@AG-mz7vm]

Yeah, this was kind of sad to watch.

[@skutfarkis4512]

These videos cured me of my G.A.S. I still buy stuff but my mentality I am different. Rather than buying something thinking it will make me sound a tiny fraction better, I buy stuff thinking this is going to be fun to mess with. We need more old school guys like you to pass down experience and knowledge. Unfortunately many musicians are still children showing off new shiny toys rather than showing off new shiny riffs. Thank you for doing what you do.

[@petrkorinek9559]

ok so to sum this up, if it sounds good, it's fake, if it sounds like shit, it's real 🤣 some of us actually spend some time tuning our drums Glenn! 😃

[@eliksc]

Amen brother, took the the words right out of my mouth! I'm a hard hitting "groove" drummer and can't understand the triggers and faster=better thing. Musical notes are the letters, and 🥁 drum hits are the punctuation in the language of music, in my opinion.

[@Fanafranky]

Bone Force Navigator 🤣🤣🤣 As an Archspire fan I laughed out loud at that one!

[@WompRok]

That shit had me too!

[@BeatsAndMeats]

Even better that he gives it a different name every time he says it.

[@P-47M_1_RE]

I love the show Glen!!! This episode was an awesome clarification on something (as a guitarist) I don’t know much about so thanks! I’m curious what your opinion on the last two Megadeth albums (Dystopia and The Sick, The Dying, And The Dead)are. I think they kick ass but what do you and other people think?

[@CloseUpLover]

old man yells at clowns

[@samseibertband]

impressive work, the drumming and the analysis

[@ClarkColborn]

Nice monologue at the end, Glenn. Seriously, I’m with you. I imagine you’re going to get the same sh!t I do when I make the same criticisms on this style of drumming. I’m all for people having their own thing and doing and digging whatever, but this doesn’t style of drumming doesn’t appeal to me at all. I like drums that groove, that are clever and creative. Thanks for the video, man!

[@tomaskacer8360]

Yeah, you don't like it, you like groove, good for you. Some of us like the agressive and intense vibe that blast beats can bring. Who are you to say your taste is anyhow better than kids liking ridiculous blast beats?

[@ClarkColborn]

@@tomaskacer8360 Jeez, dude, this is exactly the kind of reaction I'm talking about! I very clearly said I am all for people digging their own thing. I never said I was better than anyone for HAVING MY OWN TASTES. I simply stated that this does not appeal to ME, not that it's bad in any way. I don't give a shit what anyone else likes. I don't like country, rap/hip hop, pop, and death metal (mostly due to the vocals, I do appreciate some of the guitar work), but that doesn't mean I think my taste is better than anyone else's, other than how my taste relates to me. You do you, man. I just stated what I like & that I agree with what Glenn said in this video. Who are you to say anything about my tastes? Right? Good for you that you like blast beats. I don't. I won't tell you what to listen to, and maybe you shouldn't put words in my mouth.

[@tomaskacer8360]

@DoomedTraveler yeah, if you don't think extreme drumming can be as much creative and clever as whatever you Are into, than you are the Silly Billy here... Also, aren't you a bit old for this lame and silly passive agressive writing? Here's this sneaky fella for a good measure too. " :) "

[@orlock20]

@@tomaskacer8360 But isn't a 300 bmp bass beat that's sampled just like another 300 bmp bass beat that was sampled? The drummer might as well be R2D2 or a DJ.

[@johnterpack3940]

@@tomaskacer8360 There's nothing creative or clever about it. It's just "go as fast as possible". Nobody can hear the difference between one song and the next. You can't even tell one band from the next. It's boring as hell. Like listening to static on the radio.

[@flatgroundtv7097]

I really need this video for my mental health. Right now I'm playing and progressing with my own pace. The information I get with this video that we just need to be ourselves. Just don't trying very hard to follow the current trend if it really wasn't your thing. Just play what you feel and need. I'm a slave to the economic globalist. Got a minimal free time to progress with tight schedule of daily working life. Just progress with whatever time left to play. Thank you Glenn.

[@JHWH213]

Old man yells at cloud. Seems Glenn is the one who needs to get over himself.

[@AG-mz7vm]

Yes

[@leedurham8625]

you had to comment to be heard how ironic..

[@forrestcrabbe]

Great video 🤘🍻🤘 Edit: what's yer opinion on el estapario siberiano? He's pretty good at drummin methinks 🤘y'all have a badass day🤘

[@redcomn]

I can gladly said I never fake my guitar video on youtube. Unlike some of my peers 😂 Edit: I have no qualms with trigger, it’s the miming of the prior recording that I have beef with. Especially if it’s just a simple cover. It is discouraging for the young audience to see the plateau that they can’t reach only to then knew it’s fake.

[@SjPedro]

i'm the same! if it sucks it's me doing all the sucking :D

[@Dm3qXY]

mmmm.. pears..

[@getshwiftygaming447]

if you have a beef with it you're delusional because that's how most demos and youtube playthroughs work.

[@redcomn]

@@getshwiftygaming447 on layman terms this is what I truly think do I still find it’s weird in 2024 putting mimed demo in KZbin? >Yes Mistakes are what made it humane. Obviously i would love to see a tight take. Do I think it is unnecessary for demo >No If it is a play over video with tabs I considered it educational (tho the tab kinda not accurate in some video) Does there exist people that did great demo without miming shit >Yes I’ve seen few of em in person. These people were monsters. Do I still find guitarist that still mime simple playthrough as a hack >Yes Keyword I’m implying here is simple. You know they pretend it’s just a simple track but obviously it’s edited to hell. Some even claimed their take is non edited track when it’s obviously is not tho. This is where I draw the line for mime take.

[@jakethepitador2558]

As a big Charlie Watts fan, I don't understand any of this.

[@NetherlordAxenrot]

POST Production, NOT triggering. That’s the issue, Glenn. 😂

[@SpectreSoundStudios]

It’s all “who can play samples the fastest” as opposed to “who can play the drums this fast & still have them sound good”

[@NetherlordAxenrot]

⁠@@SpectreSoundStudios Agreed! 🤘

[@myopicautisticmetal9035]

@@SpectreSoundStudios I heartily agree.

[@johnterpack3940]

@@SpectreSoundStudios And a lot of guys are faking it with editing.

[@NarianFD]

@@SpectreSoundStudios PUTTING SNARES IN POST-PRODUCTION WITH A MOUSE ISN'T PLAYING IT GLENN Why are you being this obtuse?

[@EvilSkeltos]

Hey Glenn, I like your analysis of these speed drumming clips. I'm not into any of these bands myself but became interested when someone called out some "Lord" dudes supposed raw drumcam... the one question nobody seems to be able to answer for me is how it's physically possible to manipulate the sticks doing single strokes at that high bpm.... I mean where exactly do they create a fulcrum effect like that? Sorry I'm not a drummer so idk if that makes sense .

[@thomascoolberth2648]

All the drummers were insanely talented. I watched Archspire's video and they seemed like a bunch of jerks. who would want to be in a band with them?

[@thomascoolberth2648]

I take it back ... Dean Lamb is a nice guy I susbscribe to his channel ... I had no clue he was in the band.

[@gabibonza]

Awesome review. You really know what you're talking about.

[@DerekFrampton]

Let's get back to REAL kick drums, VS playing spoons on our knees. THAT's what it sounds like and it's annoying.

[@myopicautisticmetal9035]

Agreed, I play old school thrash and death metal and the fanboys hate me.

[@throwdown47]

James is an assassin on drums. Pretty badass you worked with him. That guy is no bullshit

[@myopicautisticmetal9035]

Call me old or what have you, I still play my acoustic drums with mics. Every time I say anything I get attack of the fanboys, it's adorable, lets see these kids play live jamming with a guitarists amp cranked and no PA/triggers and hear their heel toe and gravity blasts over the amp.

[@jackflynn-oakley1937]

So you can see the justification of amplification for a guitar, but not a drum kit, great. Also, congratulations on being able to play an acoustic drum kit without being evicted! If only everyone could be so lucky…

[@BillyDHughesDrums]

Do a gravity blast at 220bpm then ... lol thought so

[@myopicautisticmetal9035]

@@BillyDHughesDrums I don't play to a grid. Oh, and thanks for proving my point, fanboys have spoken.

[@myopicautisticmetal9035]

@@jackflynn-oakley1937 Justify playing electric guitar with no amp along with acoustic drums. Learn history as to the reason amps were invented. What you're ignoring is that every one of those drummers were playing acoustic drums with triggers for audition videos, blended with mics and they had to enhance the gravity blasting snare strokes even to hear it. Where do you get they can't play acoustic drums with out being evicted? They're all playing acoustic drums.

[@BillyDHughesDrums]

@myopicautisticmetal9035 well thats not a flex, but you don't have to play to a grid to do gravity blast. Turn the click off and get good. Be the click you dragging drummer lol

[@KitWriter]

"...they were a kickass band AT THE TIME." LOLOL. Check out "We'll Be Back" from their 2022 album. It's fire. That second solo (90 seconds into the track, 2 minutes into the music video) is fire. Kiko's tap-slides are sick. Dirk's drumming is tight, and the song is fantastic. 🤘 You're welcome in advance.

[@7im13oiD]

this is about being dishonest. youre clearly bias and you didnt need to make a video about something you dont know much about... lmao

[@maartenvanderzwan8281]

Agree It is awesome to hear a good grooving metal drummer. Lifts the music. Everyone can learn to play fast and all can time sync. But a band is elevated by a good drummer. Groove is king. And that's by a guitar player.

[@DudeMcGuybro]

State of the art? MORE LIKE STATE OF THE FART, AM I RIGHT FELLAS?!?!?!?!?

[@ledoynier3694]

extreme metal kick drum : BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRT my ass : BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRT

[@RobGamesNZ]

I think the thing is, if its sounds good to the band, then all good. Noone elses voice or opinion should matter, dont like it, dont listen.

[@huggniceman4975]

"they want someone who can play these insanely fast, insanely technical drumbeats because that means....quality???" how does someone with your level of experience in the music industry say such an ignorant thing? You know (or rather, should know) that drummers, or any musician in a band, must play to the style. The fast, technical drumming fits the style. Nobody wants rock drums on their technical death metal. So in the sense of playing to the style, yes the speed does mean at least some sense of quality for the music overall. Additionally, your comments about Longstreth having kicks sampled in that aren't there, he's using a doublestroke technique on the kick drum, so it almost looks like his legs are moving half as fast as what we're hearing, but he's playing two strokes with each foot.

[@johnterpack3940]

His point was that the genre as a whole is lacking quality. All they care about is speed.

[@huggniceman4975]

@ no, I get that. But he specifically was talking about Archspire looking for that quality in their new drummer and made the condescending remark about quality as though them finding a drummer who can play their drum parts is a bad thing.

[@nickrails]

​@@johnterpack3940 What does 'quality' even mean in this context? If you think Langstreth isn't 'quality' then on an objective level you're wrong. Drums, unlike many other instruments, can be assessed for mechanical accuracy and consistency independent of subjective artistic factors such as phrasing, dynamic expression, fluidity, musical choices, and timbre. Langstreth is an exceptionally good drummer when measured on those mechanically objective factors - one of the best in the world. Therefore this guy's idea of 'quality' is just his totally subjective opinion, which he is entitled to express but carries no weight (especially given as he seems to completely misunderstand the modern drumming scene)

[@deathmetalglenn]

As a few have pointed out, sample replacement in this genre of extreme metal is expected and widely known, thats not the issue, the problem is the people who have faked their auditions where in the video visibly they're not hitting the notes being played, gravity blast beats hesrd in the track not being played in the video. The point you made about the high bpm on the kick drums is spot on, the transients get lost due to the size of the drum head not recovering in time for the next hit. Triggers n samples in this extreme music becomes a tool to articulate the notes, it doesn't diminish the skill or technique involved, its a different conversation when the musicians physically cant or aren't playing the parts. Taste is taste man, you enjoy your flavour of music, others enjoy this, the musicianship is there regardless off the sanples used. Its not for everyone, its not supposed to, its an extreme form of music, its always going to have a niche audience.

[@km6344]

I'm 58, an 80s product who played in bands growing up, and still play! Drums were what kept everyone in time and had a beat that would pound through your body when in the audience! Watching a drum solo was earth-quaking and the highlight of every concert! But now drums arent the heart of bands,, they area way for the drummer to compete with others on how much more like a machine gun can you sound! Speed may be a good talent, but it sounds like shit in music! That's my opinion anyway!

[@eliksc]

A-fkn-men.

[@MikeDavidson-u4w]

Lol you don't know what you're talking about 👍 Drummers are definitely the heart of the band in extreme metal, alot of bands start the songs with drum/rhythm ideas n write guitars after drum parts. Anyone who calls themselves an "80s" prodigy garunteed sucks

[@km6344]

@@MikeDavidson-u4w OK,, first of all dink,, my spell check on my darn phone typed prodigy, when I meant to type 'product ' of the 80s which makes more sense in the context, which i fixed.. you could use some spell check yourself,, "guaranteed" is how it's spelled! Second,, you basically said the same thing I did, LOL, (that was making fun of your usage of it,, men don't LOL)! I actually been there,, I was in a few local successful bands! I am taking it playing your computer keyboard is as far as you got,, hmmm?! oh wait,, lol

[@markospolar1577]

Hi Glenn, I don't think those are gravity blasts. That is a technique called "single hand roll" and if done right, you hit a rim-shot on the down stroke AND on the up-stroke. While they are not as loud as slower rim-shots, they are still much louder than gravity blasts. So those drummers do have something going on, but as you say, without actual tracks it is difficult to say what is what. Cheers!

[@BedPanAlley]

This style of drumming just sounds so silly, comical, and ridiculous to me. I can’t take it seriously, despite the immense amount of work and talent it takes to achieve it.

[@johnterpack3940]

Exactly. It doesn't add anything to the music. Nobody in the audience is hearing each individual snare beat.

[@prsplayer210]

Speed vs composition , speed always loses. Boring constant fast repition.

[@Rick-Guitar-Bass-Science-Math]

Yep!!! Goofy circus garbage

[@bassyey]

Eh nothing new, modern guitar playing is the same. It's silly, comical, and ridiculous to me a few years ago but now I just don't care about it. I have no negative opinions about it now. I just mark as "not interested" every video and artist that comes up in my feed with those type of music, those get suggested maybe twice every 3 months.

[@timharrison2076]

@@BedPanAlley Yes, you don't get this obsession with singers trying to sing as fast as possible, so why should drumming be any different? It's just a freak show now.

[@bobbyculdesack2309]

10:25 looks like he’s using a Kevlar head possibly, which definitely would explain his overall sound, and the snappy snap on the gravities as well. You can crank tf put of those heads!! Love them

[@kennethemerson5548]

As an old dude, I don’t get this extreme drumming trend. I think it takes away more than it gives. The RS and AC/DC sold more than 500M albums with simple drumming that fit the songs. The drumming nowadays equates to ego lifting in the gym.

[@RandysRides]

Tasteful extreme drumming is good, though. Neil Peart, for example. Today it's noisy speed...and one finger drop whatever tuning, and a "singer" who CAN'T sing. lmao.

[@fclefjefff4041]

It’s like watching someone “shred,” which is like watching someone trying to win a hot dog eating contest

[@massapower]

EXACTLY.. Seriously, if they call that drumming, they can have it and will never be famous like the real DUDES, such as "SCOTT TRAVIS, NICKO McBain and so forth.... Ridiculous who can play faster. Whats the freakn' point. Not to worry, ROBOTS will be replacing these Dudes sooner then they think !! 😝 Compressorhead - Ace of Spades kzbin.info/www/bejne/b5iwiZKeh5KFpa8

[@devouredremains]

Simple people love simple music. The majority of humans are simple and average. It makes perfect sense.

[@orlock20]

Drum battles killed jazz as a popular genre and it's hurting metal. I side with the drummers that said good drumming required a swing beat pattern.

[@jea783]

Great video Glenn !! At how many BPMs does the brain switch off? As a heavy metal fan I try to assimilate these speed contests but it's like eating 20 hot dogs at the same time.

[@jeremybarrow2455]

Speed doesn’t mean crap if it doesn’t groove.

[@iDealMedley]

Ok old man

[@spoonerluv]

All depends on the end goal. Tech Death is midi music and putting groove in it is counter to where the aesthetic is at the moment.

[@zaphodrahja]

Hell yeah, the faster it goes the less it has.

[@lifeezane3526]

Do you guy realize groove isn’t everything? Like many styles simply doesn’t groove, classical music, ambient music, noise, traditional choirs… are those music bad?

[@ravenmad9225]

Drum machines have been around for years that can do this comedy drumming. It's ridiculous.

[@thenecessitarian]

It's reasonable to conclude that the logic continuum of drum larping wouldn't stop at triggers.

[@sufddd]

Incredibly sad and boomer take. Your entire argument is snobby and screams "If I don't like it then its fucking terrible". Technology is there to enhance the arts, and if utilized properly then why should it not be used? After all Spencer was an immensely talented drummer - and maybe if you listen to their songs you'd realise that his playing is much more technical and tasteful than "just fast".

[@trainofthough0242]

I think you need to start seeing the forest through the trees here. Technology can advance the arts but it can also be completely abused which is the case here because it doesn't just stop at people using drum triggers which is the most innocent and defendable example of fakery. We have social media musicians straight up faking everything they produce because the technology gives them that ability. We have the technology where you can literally piece together an entire song and performance measure by measure, note by note even, and get every single aspect of the song to appear like you're playing it perfect in the final product when you really just pre-recorded it all and used technology to make up for you're own lack of ability. And all's you need is a laptop to do it. Most performance and cover videos on the internet are done this way and don't try and tell me they're not, it's incredibly obvious that they are. Even professional musicians playing their own songs tend to do it this way because apparently even they can't play their own songs cleanly enough without a pre-recorded backing track and a performance video would completely expose them without it. It used to be your skill and ability was entirely dependent on how well you can play your instrument. Now it's more about how good are you at editing because that can totally make up any difference and lapse of ability and people are taking full advantage of it. And it's not just drummers, it's guitar players, bass players, vocalists, there's so much you can hide behind the power of technology and musicians are literally replacing themselves with it just because they want to appear like they're so talented on the internet to get more clicks and likes. Do you see the issue and why this stuff needs to be called out now?

[@nickrails]

​@trainofthough0242 If you don't think the modern drumming scene is not full of insanely skilled players then you're mistaken. The entire art of drumming has evolved enormously in the last 30 years, and the skill threshold for what is considered an 'intermediate' drummer in 2024 is way beyond what is was in 1994. I'm a drummer who largely plays latin funk and jungle/d&b but greatly admire tech metal drummers, and the suggestion that modern technology is in any way harming the evolution of human beings behind the drumset is really, really wrong. This guy has entirely missed the mark.

[@trainofthough0242]

@@nickrails I never said nobody is skilled in the modern scene because there are plenty of monsters behind the kit these days. I'm mostly talking about the social media scene where many drummer influencers have been caught red-handed doctoring their videos and playing and giving people an entirely false impression. If you are skilled and don't cheat your way to getting recognition, you should be calling the fakers out because they're muddying up the waters for you and for you to be acknowledged and recognized. I'm a guitar player and it's even worse for guitarists. So many fakers out there on social media that only makes it harder for the truly talented to break through in the scene.

[@RPSchonherr]

I just tried it on my cheap e-drums and I can sort of do it and I'm a beginner. It only works if I play right over the trigger and use the rim to rebound like I saw that one guy do. But, 30 seconds of it and my forearm was killing me. LOL

[@Angelrat666]

Bone Forest Navigator is a pretty good name. Btw. have you recognized that every modern "core" bands look like a bunch of Students for Office administrations?

[@chefbanjo8139]

Hey Glenn. So, Gibson just put out a video on making metal with P90 pickups. It’s was a pretty good video, and I do think it sounded good and noticeably different than a humbucker. I’d be curious to get your thoughts on that.