let's talk about twice's vocals.

hey guys, thank you for the love yall showed me on that last video. I hope you're having a good day!!! this video was harder for me to make because I think twice and vocals are a sensitive topic and they're like my fav group but I still think there wanted to bring my honest opinions and thoughts since I feel like I'm always thinking about it you can also share me yours in the comments:)))
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[@fellanefnaf3960]

The problem with twice is that they lack Confidence in their abilities except for jeongyeon she goes for it, she has an amazing voice, and you can hear it loud and clear, and that's why she does great at live encores, but not so much now cuz she lost that confidence she had, jihyo and nayeon are a force to be reckoned with when they give it their all, and you can see that in their current tour, especially jihyo, that girl is on a roll, she's a beast on stage, she radiates confidence and u can tell she's having so much fun doing it, tzuyu improved alot, mina and chaeng are amazing, but they lack the confidence still, dahyun does incredibly while rapping, not so much while singing because she doesn't believe in herself, I love these girls so much and I wish they would show us their full potential, they're doing great on tour .

[@martacastillo6272]

I wonder if they have a vocal coach that regularly practices with them, if not they definitely need one

[@bot.6133]

​@@martacastillo6272 I don't think they get time for that.. They have like 6 comebacks a year 😂

[@meek9168]

@@bot.6133 This year as group they had only three comebacks... wtf you mean 6.

[@asxtro7145]

@@meek9168”Only” as if 3 isn’t a lot when most groups have two maximum. Also they’re on a world tour and have other activities with brands and stuff 💀

[@nayeon_korean]

at first I thought you were going to insult them

[@daysssssss]

i think twices biggest issue concerning live vocals is well, confidence. when you don't have confidence in live singing then basically some of twices encores are what you get. i don't think they're bad live singers (especially 3MIX, have you seen them during their tours? they're good) because they do have their outstanding moments. but confidence isn't something we can give twice, twice will have to work on that. i hope during this tour they gain more because they all have beautiful voices.

[@BrentARJ]

I don't think encores are fair to judge any singer. They don't have in-ears, so it's hard to hear yourself and the music on a loud stage, if that's what you're used to.

[@lukeloukes]

girl LET US READ. the fuck... so fast

[@Beomgyuhour100]

FR tho like I was getting annoyed 😭

[@UmurikenEmperor]

ikr i have to pause the video like over 9000 times lol

[@lazyassgamingph]

Most of the issues shared on the vid has already been fixed since "Between 1 & 2" was released. You will notice not only on the title track but on the B-sides as well that their PD has given the correct parts that follows the range of their voice, Momo on "Moonlight Sunrise" and her Bday cover was awesome. They are with Effing JYPE, the vocal training there is Haarrssssh.... they just need the right parts.

[@pabloalbarran7572]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@aswin5151]

In the recent tours they tried their best and most of the songs were actually sung with their live vocals. Atleast they are improving ❤️

[@VanessaSele]

improving? they sound worse 😮

[@aswin5151]

@@VanessaSele i don't think so

[@VanessaSele]

@@aswin5151i think so..

[@jwalinsleeba6896]

@@VanessaSele you havent heard them or you are a hater cause except for jline all others did solo performances live in them jeongyeon jihyo tzuyu nayeon was great they did well with a choreo for dahyun n chae they didn't have a choreo but they sang live... jline was lipsyncing and momoi did a dance cover... in overall too except jline others were really good minas voice was low sana was good but wasn't impressive momo wasn't that good but she didnt ruin it for me... for a really good live singing I would say 3mix and tzuyu...tzuyu was soo good so much improvement ... dubchaeng mostly had only raps so they werent singing much but did their parts well ...where did you think it was worse?

[@victjsofjsmdngor]

jihyo and nayeon attempted some of the ridiculously high or long lasting high notes as well, like in fancy, more and more, cry for me, etc. which was nice but besides them and jeongyeon the rest are so inconsistent. to rank their live singing (how much they sing live) i would say something like: 6. mina 5. chaeyoung (except rapping) 4. momo/dahyun 3. tzuyu/sana 2. nayeon/jeongyeon 1. jihyo obviously this is not 100% accurate because they are inconsistent but yeah

[@illavaraci21]

it's so fast. I can't finish read one description and have to pause it frequently

[@mesmereized]

I think the major problem here is the over saturation of lipsync and prerecorded vocals in Kpop these days. Twice actually doesn’t sound too far off from what SNSD use to sound like live. Just go watch any Run Devil Run performance from 2010. They sounded a hot mess, but it’s because they weren’t using any backtracks and edited vocals like we see today. The standard now is perfect auto tuned vocals and it’s just simply not realistic.

[@tzuyukiwichou2892]

True, like Twice, SNSD only have 4 members who can really sing. Others cant support. Twice doesnt sound bad during encores when they were starting. Only after they are attacked by their vocals did they start messing up in encores. But theyve grown now.

[@sowhat1674]

​@@tzuyukiwichou2892uhhmmm. Snsd has 7 members who can support. Just hyoyeon and yoona that cannot support.

[@tzuyukiwichou2892]

@@sowhat1674 do you mean recently or when they were most active, before 2015 when they are still 9?

[@Lili-ge9fb]

Comparing twice 8 years into their careers to SNSDs early days? Come on now, even now Twice can’t compare to SNSD during their early days. Watch their performances of ITNW and EVERY member sang clear and projected and in key. The only reason they sounded weak performing RDR is because they’re all sopranos and most of the song is quite low which is not the range where a soprano would naturally project.

[@snsdgivemetwice]

All member SNSD can sing 😂 If they're not can sing. Why all member go to soloist and succes. LOL​@@tzuyukiwichou2892

[@Alternus.]

I dont mind them messing up on Music shows since its like free show for fans to see. But concert for me they need to be in their A game cuz I paid money to see them live. And not perfom well is a cop out. And plus for Twice Once's really are just cool with it cuz we would rather have content with them than long period of wait for comebacks. As for vocal people will really have a bad day or sick or out of breath.

[@shshshshdf]

Their confidence definitely improved in ongoing tour rn, they're definitely trying their best to sing live the whole show. Usually they'd avoid high notes but now they're attempting most of them that's not like a background vocals harmony. There are many clips that shows their good vocals than whatever you're showing here which again, just bcs they messed up there, doesn't mean they can't do it. But it's not necessarily their confidence improved, it's more that they're more comfortable when singing live in concert probably bcs of fans supports. They overall have better approach & projection. I think we need to move on from the 2018 something TWICE era, they're not a bad vocalists. The TWICE can't sing agenda is just too forced bcs the idols doing the bare minimum these days gets praised like crazy, mind you none of them outdo TWICE in terms of techniques but people think they're better just bcs they sound "stable", when in fact it do be flat & sharp but ppl don't know sht.

[@kspectrum]

yeah singing live doesn't make you a good singer I can agree on that I do think they have gotten better I just failed to find clips of them singing live during the tour expect mainly jihyo bc tour vids kept getting deleted

[@nnnn-sc2im]

0:25 it’s not that that’s her “natural voice” and that jyp is making her sing in a “fake voice” it’s just that the notes in twices songs are too high for her while in sixteen the songs she sang were lower

[@ireneonly]

Exactly!!! Its too high!

[@myriamjerbi6368]

Im not hating or anything but I think that a group like twice considering their hard af dances find it rather hard to focus on their parts and the dance but I also think that their vocals do get weak sometimes although i think its due to lack of confidence

[@decembelina]

The reason why they lack confidence is because they have extremly bad technique in singing. And I also think that you cant blame their dances for it since they were very easy in the beggining but their vocals were still weak at that time. Their choreos started to be harder in recent years. As you can see they tried to imrove their dancing since they were critizied for it and it worked, they got better, but for some reason they didnt improve their singing and it only got so much worse eventhough they had plenty of years to do it. Twice deserves all the critique they get (I dont mean hate by that) because its their job and we shouldnt defend them for being bad at it. Seungmin from Stray kids for example said that he takes private vocal lessons in a singing school, not at jyp if I clearly remember and then I.N joined him. Why do they do it? Because they take their job seriously. Why didnt Twice do it? I am not hating on you, it is just that so many people try to defend them eventhough there is nothing to defend. They are bad vocalist and should improve. Thats it. If we stop pretending they are good and tell them they should get better at singing like they got better at dancing maybe it will happen.

[@yerimimyloves9128]

​@@decembelinaagree their are groups out their who do hard dances but still sings with correct techniques

[@hirains]

@@decembelinand if you followed twice you will know that they actually took vocal training. I think in one of Nayeon promotions video or the III World Tour video (i forgot which one)she said she and members took vocals lesson during their time off. And yes they deserved critique but not to the extend they got from their debut until now. They got hate to the point where some of them look anxious to perform on stage and that was so freaking sad. If you watched their survival shows, you will realize how good and their vocals was in their early days, they also always performing live in their rookies stage era. People literally started questioning Twice’s vocals after the more&more encore incident and one of the biggest factors why Twice doesn’t seem to improve is because JYPE seems to always gave them a high pitch songs that didn’t suit their vocals range resulting on bad vocals and technique from the members. And the biggest issue here is THEY LACKED CONFIDENCE. Not one member but ALL of them. The only time they look comfortable was when they’re performing to their fans in the concert. Twice deserve nothing but praise from how much hard work they put throughout this 8 years, their vocals may be lacking to some people but god know how much these girls already paid for it and how much they try to be better in every cb . (sorry for the bad english)

[@_warnerwantsmesobad_]

i'm honestly shocked u think twice has weak vocals😭 imo twice as a whole has pretty good vocals, with jihyo, jeongyeon and nayeon ofc probably being the best vocalists. i do agree with that they often times work against their voices instead of with them tho. with momo especially, she'll always have that sort of nasally tone, that's just the way her voice is. and i think songs like scientist, bouquet, moonlight sunrise, and rewind let her sing in her naturally deep and nasally voice as compared to songs like feel special, more and more, tt, and likey where her voice sounds more forced and in general not that pleasing to listen to. and that pretty much goes for most of the other members too, with more and more, tt, icsm, and maybe even likey probably being the worst forced imo. i also think in their early days since they had the cute concept their voices were more forced to fit that cutesy innocent narrative (as well as they were younger so naturally, not as deep as they are now) and now that their concept has gotten more mature, they're using their more natual, deepish tones, and we see it in set me free. anyways i wrote a lot ☠but i hope u get what i mean

[@VanessaSele]

not only does their vocals sound weak, it also sounds like 💩💩

[@benj2592]

objectively speaking they are lacking vocally. 2/3 of the group are basically weak. they just dont have a technique good enough to preserve their voices, enhance, and control (a long list but the highlights are their breathing, chest, head, falsseto, projection, etc., which they cannot execute nor transition well). as a casual follower of them, it is noticeable. Concepts may change but the vocal techniques did not (at some point it even damaged momos vocals). They are great performers, no doubt, but vocally they are "just ok." and yes the song that fits their vocals so well is their moonlight sunrise.

[@BuyJiafeiyassifiedpr0ducts]

Ikr, they have one of the strongest vocal lines of the 3rd gen, people are really sleeping on their talent. Also Mina and Chae, veing sub vocals could be lead in another group.

[@alexandragabitto2573]

From a technical perspective only 3/9 members in TWICE are more than competent and 1 out of those 3 is weaker than the other two. Although Jeongyeon’s technique is superior, Nayeon is given more of a spotlight because of her vocal tone and performance abilities. Mina’s so-so, but the rest of the girls are incompetent at best. Confidence wouldn’t be a problem if they were taught a proper technique that would allow them to sing in a way that’s healthy and stable (the quality of your notes is arguably more important than how many of them you can carry.)

[@tzuyukiwichou2892]

I suggest you attend their concerts! I've watched them recently and they have significantly improved. Honestly, 8 of the members are confident. During day1, we even witnessed them experience mic problems. 3Mix voice are echoing thru the whole arena, they even did acapella. The backtrack pitch were a lot higher, so we can clearly tell the difference when theyre lipsyncing or not, if they are, it's hardly noticeable. You really need to hear Tzuyu sing more too. Out of all members, she improved so much, and the least to lipsync (aside 3mix). Her solo stage is live too. Compared to Sana, Mina who probably has fewer lines sang live because of the choreo.

[@userabby17]

I don't know why jyp forced momo to use such a nasally and horrible part of her voice for so long, hearing Do Not Touch was so refreshing omg I was so shocked her rap was so good. I don't know exactly, but constantly singing so unnaturally might've ruined her voice a bit, no way would that have been healthy to do. Her voice is deep, even speaking her voice isn't as high as the other members, her raps in do not touch sounded better because she wasn't forcing her voice to fit the candy pop concept. Also Twice are in desperate need of real vocal training, Nayeon gets parts out of her range as you said, and why keep giving her these parts if you refuse to let her be able to do them.

[@anapaus9187]

I think it's worth noting that Twice really tried to sing live during debut eras but kept getting terrible harrasment over it despite most members being quite young in debut, I feel like the constant backlash not only hurt them but also made JYP afraid to ever show twice live since and made them lyp sinc basically their whole career (with the exceptions of radio shows and concerts). I think it's really harsh to go after them for this when even though it seems like they might want to sing live (as we can see recently with their enthusiasm in concerts and their i got you stages), it simply is just in JYP's hands. I also think its harsh to criticize their trainning when twice has talked about going to extensive vocal training (especially members like chaeyoung and tzuyu). I also get really mad when they post the overly edited sit down "live" performances, but again I think thats more of a reflection of what the public expects of them than their actual ability or want to sing live.

[@Magiblox]

Ok but imagine how good momo would sound in songs like feel special, fancy, More and more, and even songs like real you. JYPE forces her to sing in a nasally throat voice and that’s what makes her sound not as good as her other members

[@hslpt3]

the fact that this video is talking abt the problems with Twice vocals as a whole but actually completely avoided talking abt Jeongyeon surprised me. either they feel there's nothing harsh to say abt Jeongyeon so they would rather not talk abt her since this video is just to talk abt the negatives or they are just as rude as Twice's agency to disregard Jeongyeon's existence and talents/qualities altogether. hm. maybe both.

[@NaDee-mh2po]

Honestly their voices are good enough. Not Beyonce level or anything but they are pleasing to the ears when they sing comfortably. Unfortunately they don't get a chance to sing comfortably considering they are forced to sing in a note that's supposed to sound cute and is usually way beyond their comfort range.

[@akamesb4540]

Hello, i would to add to the point of the songs that don't help with some of the voices, i heard a lot of idols don't choose Twice songs to make covers because they are quite high. There's groups who are strong vocaly and others not so strong but have music that works with their voices to make them sound good and convey emotions, Is more resolver until recently in formula of love and between 1 &2. And i feel Twice lost a lot of confidense over the years even if the three mix are good, so i wish since they show more of the singing in covers that can suit them more, and sing to the camera or acapella like Nayeon practicing pop to develop confidense, they're doing better on tour mostly Jihyo. I'm saying it as a once.

[@ayakoha]

I really recommend watching their concerts fancams, I think they gained a lot more confidence. They aren't the best singers in kpop, but they're not as bad as people think they are. I have the feeling they'll never get rid of this reputation no matter how often they sing life or how much confidence they gain.

[@Oncetwice999]

Leave twice alone they are perfect

[@Roach_EntertainmentOFFICIAL]

Your the problem

[@rajpalbhatia1715]

Dont say they aren't improving, they are improving alot

[@Cryforme-]

Ok but that's wrong- Twice doesn't have weak vocals Jihyo Nayeon nd Jeongyeon are good vocalist According to vocal tiers Jihyo is Mid A nd 2yeon are W-A That's good not weak Mina Chae Tzuyu Sana Momo Dahyun are weak not all

[@VanessaSele]

all of them have weak vocals

[@Cryforme-]

​@@VanessaSele you guys have nothing instead of hating them or what

[@VanessaSele]

@@Cryforme- it's not hating it's being honest

[@Simon05212]

​@@VanessaSeleBeing average and w-a is not weak I agree that Dubchae + the foreign line are weak but Jihyo Nayeon and Jeongyeon are not

[@spheksophobiaurinal]

Tzuyu is really good, she really seems confident and tries to improve. I think the group has 1 great vocalist, 2 good vocalists, 2 decent singers (tzuyu and mina), 2 weak singers (sana and chaeyoung), and 2 very weak ones (dahyun and momo)

[@nighthunter3372]

Chaeyoung mina and Tzuyu are around the same. Sana and Dahyun are below them and momo is below sana and dahyun

[@talltree670]

I feel like companies force a “vocal” onto someone like what happened to Britney Spears. As a kid she had this deep raspy voice but everyone knows her as a high pitched vocal and it’ll damage her over time. I feel like they did this with Momo since you can hear the difference. JYP should let Twice pick songs in their range and let them sing with their voice, and not force it onto them Edit: Overall Twice is a performance group, so vocals aren’t the main focus, it’s there but it’s not the most important part about them as a group. Performance/Dancing, Vocals, Rapping etc

[@Beomgyuhour100]

Gurl ur going to fast

[@Exonorm27]

I think the biggest issue has always been a lack of time and effort put into keeping up their vocals. That’s why it seems as if every member is regressing when Sana might actually be the only member where that’s genuinely the case. All the members pretty much just fall back on their bad habits because they don’t have that consistent training. Nayeon, Jihyo, Momo and Sana fall back on nasality, Jeongyeon falls back on her complete lack of comfort in the upper register, Mina, Dahyun and Chaeyoung lose all chord closure and Tzuyu relies on throatiness. Nayeon’s recent solo seems to have really helped her recover some of her previous ability, but the rest of the members seem to just not sing or practice unless it’s for a comeback or concert, which is never a good thing.

[@josh1212121]

It's kinda obvious vocals aren't their strong suit. But that's the point of being a kpop idol. It's not about being the best singer or dancer, it's about having an impact on the viewers. JYP even said it himself during the sixteen show. What he's looking for is someone who can leave an impression to whoever's watching them. Someone with a personality. Like when Dahyun was picked over the girl who was eliminated, I forgot her name, he said the reason Dahyun was picked over her is she can show who she is in her performances, you can see her personality through her performance, and that being a good singer is only one part of being an idol. A kpop idol is different from a "singer" like how you would see mariah carey or celine doin.

[@dae_da21]

Uhhh what? Being an idol means being a performer, which means you have to sing and dance. It’s their job if they can’t do that (which a lot of them can’t) then why even debut these ppl Lmao

[@josh1212121]

@@dae_da21 I just explained everything in my comment, if you read it. OBVIOUSLY they need to be good singers and dancers and can perform to be idols, but those aren't the main priority to JYP, like my example with dahyun. She's not the best singer like jihyo or nayeon, or the best dancer but she was chosen, over a girl who's a much better singer. The talent she showcased during sixteen before their debut was a freaking comedy act where she dances like an eagle. Being an idol means having people be drawn to you, to your personality. That's the whole idea with Twice. Look at other groups filled with great singers and dancers, they don't nearly attract as much attention as Twice does. When they do it's for their music, but that's it

[@meek9168]

The problem with Eunsuh was, she lacked confidence.

[@aina____]

​@@dae_da21Well being a performer doesn't really require above average vocals, just look at britney spears(ik she's not a kpop idol but still) she's a a very good performer yet a pretty weak vocalist

[@Thesilentvoice...]

My ranking- 1. Jeongyeon, her voice got better since sixteen. She has a calm low register that’s stable and she can sing with power too. 2. Jihyo, her voice is powerful and full but it feels it’s changed from sixteen. She sounds like she’s shouting at times and straining. I feel also since she sings most of their songs it’s affected her voice. 3- Nayeon, her voice is great but hasn’t improved either. I feel when she sings on her album we got more of her real potential. She would thrive with more focus on vocals 4-chaeyoung/Mina, these two sound the same since sixteen but need more consistency and power. They have nice soft voices but it feels too weak 5. Tzuyu, she’s improved a lot since sixteen, she has a nice tone too. She like Mina/chaeyoung needs more power to her voice 6-sana/dahyun, they both need more improvement. 7-momo same thing with improvement, she seems comfortable singing in a low register but even then it’s talking singing.

[@jwalinsleeba6896]

Minas live singing isn't as good as her normal vocals in studio... in live singing.. i would put tzuyu above her...

[@thatoneperson731]

nayeon before couldn’t even support A4 consistently, how r u saying she hasn’t improved?

[@snsdgivemetwice]

​@@jwalinsleeba6896Actually, Mina's voice is not much different from the studio version, it's just that when live she still feels embarrassed to add volume to her voice. So her voice always slurred and sounded unstable, even though if only she increased the volume of her voice. She is more stable than Tzuyu, you can see her in the sixteen era. She felt insecure (in vocal) when she fell ill and went on hiatus (anxiety)

[@jwalinsleeba6896]

@@snsdgivemetwice not really though I have attended 2 concerts and Jimmy kimmel performance in us mina in live isn't that great... def not better than tzuyu ... but in jline she's the best vocalist... she's not tone deaf.. she's just not that good live ... her voice is pretty good in studio version... her live singing is good in misamo concerts they had autotune and back track but it's okay since all groups use them now....

[@ginaverses]

jeongyeon #1 as she should

[@hisimp5120]

I think it’s because all of their songs are so highly pitched

[@milky_penguin]

saying that momo cannot sing again like her back in sixteen is kind of a hyperbolic statement... anyone that has a competent vocal coach can be a decent singer, especially if that person can already carry a tune.

[@TheCottonCandy707]

Oh my god the text goes so fast I can barely read it

[@soupman5836]

it makes me sad to admit that their live singing isn't as good as it used to be. But the songs are fire so idc

[@Letyourlightshine333]

I think they have it in them to sing better, but lack vocal technique skills…that’s one sm does right, they really have good vocal coaches and focus on technique. Jyp focuses more the perfection of the dance and having this breathy pop sound… which I think ruined their vocal skills.

[@kimanid.929]

it’s sad though when you compare nmixx’s vocals to twice’s, they never received the proper vocal training or techniques

[@mewybee]

nayeon and jihyo sounded better at debut than they do now. i do believe they’ve TRAINED a lot since debut: but if the training is with JYP’s poor techniques it’s more harm than good. it’s really late into their career so i doubt they’ll improve any more (seeing jihyo lip synced every single one of her solo performances and in her actual live recordings it was edited and she sounded airy)

[@Rachel-sm7ym]

It might sound dramatic (lol) but I was truly so disappointed she lip-synced all of the music show performances for Killin' Me Good (and Closer the couple of times she performed it)...like she has proven she can do it live I don't understand why she doesn't

[@Simon05212]

Nayeon really didnt tho idk why anyone would think that. The only thing she regressed in was in her consistency with supported bb4s but she still has enough supported ones. Apart from that, she improved both her pitch as well as live stability AND reduced her shallowness in her low and mid register.

[@Naurbadaur]

Thats becauss they get hated and bullied everywhere, they lose confidence. I bet momo had the best vocals if it werent for bullying. Shes literally a dancer, she doesnr need lines.

[@nakiii5660]

Youre absolutely right about momo and even though shes my bias im not going to be honest, they make momo sound really terrible and high pitched to fit the cute concept since she has a deep yet kinda sexy voice but i think she wouldve pulled it off if they let her sing in her natural voice even though they should fit the cute concept like jihyo Jihyo who also has a kinda deep voice was never forced to sound cutesy or sum but still fit the concept i dont see why momo wouldnt also I really hope JYPE (not jyp) would let her in at least one comeback use her real voice

[@kspectrum]

that is honestly a good point I never thought of that and that's also why I crtitize jyp because they should be able to do both make great music that suits the girls voices

[@_A.A_]

The biggest problem is Twice being given songs way out of their range. Their recent comebacks have improved as the members are now given parts where they are vocally comfortable. Especially Momo, in the recent songs she has been allowed to sing more in her natural voice rather than the nasal sound in older songs.

[@ferniecat]

1000% agree

[@danielfreitas4830]

nayeon, jeongyeon and jihyo outsing many main vocalists out there. the other members suck but 3mix is already enough for me

[@brunomoraes7678]

what main vocalists are they outsinging exactly? Cause I think they’re the weakest vocal line in a mainstream group😂

[@danielfreitas4830]

@@brunomoraes7678 rosé, mia, miyeon, minnie, lia, liz, sieun, newjean’s main vocalist, minseo, park bom, eunha and the list goes on

[@asxtro7145]

@@brunomoraes7678Pls you thought you did sum and got shut down quick asf

[@mimi_imfat]

⁠@@danielfreitas4830twice has an average vocal line. They aren’t too strong but not really weak either. If you compare them to vocally weak lines BP, newjeans, IVE or gidle, of course you can say they’re out singing. This doesn’t change the fact that twice’s vocal line alone is good enough and average but the as a whole group they’re on the weaker side. Compared to other groups who have average vocal lines, twice has more weaker non-vocal line members which is mainly why they’re criticized so much.

[@ethanchasejackson]

@@danielfreitas4830 To be honest, NMIXX's worst singer is Bae who is at Nayeon/Jeongyeon(D-/D) level and the rest go from D+ to B so all of them could outsing those 3

[@crositouwu5620]

El principal problema de TWICE y sus vocales es la empresa no ellas, con respecto al clip donde dices que Momo se sorprendió, no debió ser tanto por qué no cantará en live, si no por qué ella esta obligada a utilizar una colocación y tono de voz que como vemos no queda muy cómodo, de hecho con el tiempo esto puede causar daños en sus cuerdas vocales. Debido a esto fuerza su garganta y con ese tono nasal, no por qué quiera si no por qué así está obligada a hacerlo. Mantener esa colocación no es nada fácil ni mucho menos cómoda. Ella se sorprende por lo forzada y tensionada que suena su voz. Algo parecido con Sana, está tiene que usar una voz nasal pero no tanto como Momo. Vi que te centraste más que todo en la J-line pero no hablaste mucho de las demás. Algo obvio y que es un hecho es que a Jeongyeon la tienen casi de adorno, no le han dado chance suficiente para demostrar por qué es lead vocal. Y como dije, las miembros están obligadas mayormente a cambiar la tonalidad de su voz, esto por la empresa ya que cada grupo tiene un concepto y las voces de las integrantes tienen que acoplarse a ese/esos concepto/s. Aún así TWICE a demostrado muchas veces que su vocal es único. Cosa que no hablaste mucho en el video, de hecho no. Solo plasmaste lo malo. En el vídeo de ITZY podemos apreciar como JYP obliga a las miembros a hacer un sonido específico, hasta el punto que ellas lloran. Momo ha recibido mucho hate por su canto, y es algo que ella obviamente le ha impactado, así se le puede ver en algunos encore concentrarse en sus partes para hacer que suenen lo mejor posible. TWICE no solo necesita más entrenamiento, por qué pueden entrenar pero de que sirve si tendrán que seguir cambiando su tono para solo complacer a la empresa y un concepto. Lo principal es que les dejen usar más su voz natural, Sana tiene una muy atractiva voz grave. Y Dahyun y Chae también cuentan con unas voces muy dulces para el canto. Esto puede apreciarse en Feel special y el cover de Dahyun. Además concuerdo con algunos comentarios de que ellas en la gira más reciente su seguridad y algunos aspectos vocales se han visto quizás con una muy leve pero si mejora. Notas altas en vivo. Y muchas más cosas.

[@bh.aquino]

The only thing I disagree with this is "TWICE has weak vocals." compare to many groups who only have 1-2 members supporting and the rest are (yes singing) straining. Unlike TWICE that has 5 members that has support and Tzuyu is on her way up there too. Sana and Momo might have the chance to perform vocally for their subunit. They are somewhat AVERAGE for a K-pop group standard singing.

[@spheksophobiaurinal]

Why do y'all kpoppies keep on mentioning support? Is that a trend? Support is not the only thing a singer needs. Chaeyoung has supported some times but she is one of the worst singers in the group

[@tzuyukiwichou2892]

True. BP, RV, Itzy, Le Seraffim, New Jeans, Gidle, Ive, Izone, just to name a few, all have the same number of weak vocalists in the group. RV is just rarely criticized because theyre good at harmonizing, but individually, theyre not that far from Twice. Wendy and Seulgi are the only standout.

[@ishathakor]

momo's main problem rn is that due to whatever reason she's developed this extremely nasal and tense way of singing and the more she sings like that the worse it gets because it's just completely baked into her muscle memory now and she can't sing in any other way. i do think anyone can learn to sing quite well with the right instruction, even if you've developed as many issues as momo has. but the thing is that correcting those issues now will take a lot of time and instruction and momo probably doesn't want to dedicate that amount of time to it now because she has better things to do like make boatloads of money. and the thing with twice as a whole is that even the members who are good need more practice before they can actually sound good live. and practice isn't just going ahead and singing live but actually doing dedicated practice where you intentionally go out of your way to try to get everything right. doing this for live singing would be like. practicing your part while singing AND dancing over and over until it sounds good. even just if you need to practice the same one bar like 50 or 100 times in a row, you do that. members like nayeon jeongyeon and jihyo have the skill to back up their live singing but they barely ever sing live so it doesn't sound as good as it COULD sound. even with worse technique the reason itzy sound so good live is because they literally sing live all the time

[@americano_stain]

When I hear Nayeon’s ABCD I’m convinced that she can sing, even if I don’t like the song or her vocal style. And I’ve always found Jihyo’a voice to be annoying until the cover you showed. So I don’t understand why they’re given songs that make them all (except for Sana, maybe) sound like dying chickens

[@cherrywineluxe]

twice are always given high pitched songs so that's why, sana sounds really good with her deep voice on their song "good at love"

[@your.local.person6809]

twice has good vocals but they have ALOT of potential that JYP isnt paying attention to

[@bbbm5284]

I dont even know why Momo sounds different after debuted 😢 i think bcuz jyp think her voice back then don't fit with the concept of cuteness of twice but gaddayum bring her old voice back😢

[@saviorofs0ng]

they did the same to sana and thrusted chaeyoung into that cute smol girl concept even tho in sixteen, she was more tomboy/girl crush-ish.

[@NE_KV]

​@@saviorofs0ngdon’t remind me her childish raps were hell. I hated it so much like 'changing' was so unlistenable bc of the childish raps. I want more Icon chaeyoung I want more Last waltz chaeyoung

[@DONALDTRUMP456]

Saya gx melihat perbedaannya di mana... dia cuma ngerap dh di bilang bagus padahal vokalnya sama aja.... mungkin di ngerap aja ( momo )

[@ArgoBargo]

I definitely agree but using “first time” as an example of twice not having songs in their range is a bit strange cuz jihyo literally wrote it

[@camw5778]

Jihyo wrote the lyrics, but she didn’t compose it

[@kspectrum]

I think my thing is they can lower it the lyrics don't have to be so high regardless so who ever chose the tempo and key

[@LKEpicEditz]

PLEASE MAKE THE TEXT CHANGE SLOWER IT IS SO FAST I CANNOT READ

[@meek9168]

I mean when you're torn to shreds on a dumbass app like twitter by a bunch of minors, and your vocals are used as a "gotcha" moment for fanwars... I will add, the vocal techniques could also play a factor.

[@einsleyharriot1294]

I think you guys have an unhealthy amount of obsession with their vocals when in truth they sing better than most of the idols in the industry. I don't see sakura being dragged as much as momo? even lisa and jisoo can't sing good

[@migoyoutube9561]

its a review ABOUT twice... is the obsession in the room with us ???

[@kimanid.929]

sakura got dragged for her weak vocals for a while, next!

[@ymiround]

I got a soft spot for Twice and after watching a lot of their old and sixteen-era videos I am convinced that one of the top 3 criterias to get into Twice was being a dork. So I can't judge them too hard about their vocals, but ther is definitely a room for it. I am glad to see on live videos that Jihyo is slaying some hard parts like Brave and Queen of Hearts, Tzuyu improved a lot. At the same time Dahyun's singing became weaker. And Momo is a dancer.. yeah. But overall I think they are doing pretty good now. Almost ten years in and they still care for some reason. I mean Le Sserafim showed us on Coachella they don't care at all and Illit live singing is broken from the start

[@paringlolot4578]

I love twice, but.. the reasons they can't sing for real (except Jihyo)is because they came from that era that singing is not really important..

[@chrisant1009]

twice have been singing live non stop since debut idk where that narrative came from that they used to lipsync a lot. check every era there are ALWAYS stags where they sing live. and lets not avoid the fact that they ALWAYS sing live in their concerts. in that smf video u used, mina WAS singing live, she was just quieter and you picked that part just to make it seem like it.

[@chrisant1009]

mostly saying anything😭😭😭

[@Laura-jx7il]

I dont even know nothing about vocals and i tried learning by watching videos that compared live singing vs playback/pre recorded but EVEN TO ME its sooo obvious how they always lipsinc?? their lipsinc is 1. just off 2. no one moves their mouth that little when singing ?? are they not practicing this enough?! 3. as you said, body language and attention It’s just incredible to me how the company or whoever decides to do thus is trying to fool us. It enrages me because these singing performances are so unnecessary… i dont care much for singing as i stated because i enjoy kpop for dance & fashion. now to think i was a kpop stan who likes singing the most… i would be enraged at this shit

[@alexandragabitto2573]

I agree completely with all of the points in this video! I am feeling positive about these new changes as well since I’m sure JYP can tell that many of the girls wouldn’t be able to do solo work. Their skill-set just isn’t suited for it. I am crossing my fingers for future TWICE harmonies!! 🤞🏽🤞🏽🤞🏽 Also you are absolutely right every live vocal performance is gonna be different/imperfect but that’s what’s so magical about it - you get a one-of-a-kind experience, singers get the chance to switch up the song from the recording, it’s just a lot of fun all around! Nowadays people find it commendable for an idol to sing live at all because it leaves them vulnerable to criticism, but that wouldn’t be an issue in the first place if they actually knew how to sing safely and with stability. Even if you only know how to sing two notes that doesn’t mean you can’t sing those two notes well! Some general things I’d like to add: - All of the members of TWICE have regressed vocally since their debut either temporarily or due to reasons that have to do with their busy schedules, lack of vocal lines, etc. - Vocal lessons provided by a company usually try to make their idols sing a certain way in order to cater to an audience. They do not care about longevity, vocal health, etc., and JYP is almost as bad as HYBE. A lot of people say Tzuyu has improved vocally, but I personally think it’s just that her technique has become more stylized. You can hear more air in her voice now than before which is a JYP staple. - Now that we have “One Spark” I cannot stress enough how unfair the line distributions for TWICE’s songs are. Everyone knows TWICE has a vocal trinity NOT a duo. Jeongyeon’s vocals add so much dimension to TWICE’s songs like she’s as stable if not more so than Jihyo. She’s never nasally like Nayeon can be at times and she always knocks encore stages out of the park because on top of her stability she is the member that has the best sense of pitch in all of TWICE. Jeongyeon’s vocal mix is very balanced which slots in so well alongside Nayeon’s heady mix and Jihyo’s chesty mix, yet JYP makes sub-vocalists like Sana sing just as much if not more so. It drives me nuts! - When the recording isn’t even giving you know we’re at DEFCON 1. MiSaMo made it seem as if “Do Not Touch” was a Whitney Houston song with how much effort the girls had to put into making sure they didn’t drop any notes. It’s depressing at best.

[@lani746]

Honestly not saying just because I’m a once but I believe twice has grew in vocals from their ready to be tour I feel like they have so much confidence now. Tzuyu is so stable like I listen to mr removed the girl is better than she used to be .Mina still lacks but it’s understandable because she has anxiety I get she’s a idol and it’s her job but girl carries in vocals on the track and she’s trying to better herself I learned that from misamo. Momo is getting to use her deep voice which works for her and rapping like in her recent comeback and misamo comeback she never was intended to be the best in twice either way as she wasn’t even supposed to debut with them. Sana is sounding great in I got you comeback and is learning to be good at high notes and can even be in a vocal line my only problem is she’s straining her voice by tryna do the cute one at the same time . The vocal line is now more stable than ever like Nayeon voice doesn’t even sound breathy it sounds perfect . Chaeyoung needs more confidence and I feel like dahyun as well they can sing but arent amazing singers as intended because they are rappers but all of twice is learning seriously . They did amazing in vocals in their last Las Vegas shows and I’m sure in their new japan shows since lip sync isn’t really praised in japan they will get much more practice and all will probably be good stable vocalist all together .

[@areanaangel8964]

Sometimes people say editing to polish performances is "misleading"... Hard disagree. For me, a performance is meant to entertain me to the fullest degree so polishing it fulfills its purpose. That's like watching a movie or modeling show and saying makeup is misleading... It's a performance and everyone knows its "fake" and it's there for the entertainment value, not to showcase true live vocals. Now if Nayeon put out a polished edited video of her saying and CLAIMED that was her true, raw singing voice, then that is misleading. If they got rid of the edited "live" performances, I would be sad tbh. I'm okay with full raw live singing for some performances, but if it was ALL performances, it wouldn't be the same for me. People will ALWAYS sound "better" when vocals are processed in some way, just as people "look better" with photoshop or makeup.

[@wonstar7095]

as a ONCE, i agree with this video. and this is because of confidence tho... i thought twice vocal in twicelights (2019) sounds better than their latest concert...

[@ronrio784]

These videos are intended to annoy and anger people for comments and views, The title lets talk about ______vocals, that could be any K-POP group, all groups songs are auto tuned, all groups sing with backing tracks, all groups have had stages or performances that were terrible. Go ahead look it up you can find videos of every single group getting hated on about various subjects. The truth is all groups work hard to be where they are whether they are super successful or not. People are going to like who they are going to like and telling fans that since you like a certain groups your dumb or delulu , is like you trying to convince someone who likes pizza is crazy, no it's just most people like it but some don't, and that's fine. Twice is like the pizza they have catchy music, great visuals, great variety and are all very likeable. Now yes they get their tracks mastered like all groups, but if they were truly as bad as some people make them out to be they would be nowhere near as successful as they are today, because if that were true the best singers are the most important then Mamamoo should be at the top because I agree they have the best vocal talent. I also think the west has a higher bar for singers, here are singers are usually noticed for their singing talent to get famous because they are freakishly good at it to make it in the west, but in Korea and Japan K-POP and J-POP are a whole package of talents that need to be met to even get a chance to see the stage even then there is no guarantee, to possess all those traits is a hard thing to find so if they can find members with a lot of those qualities or all of the qualities they are lucky. To hate any group is a major waste of your time because you're not going to convince people who like those groups to all of a sudden be like " Hey this person has made me see the light" , so why even bother trying to justify why you don't like certain groups, it screams immaturity and insecurity , it just makes your fan base look bad and I guarantee if you were to somehow be with your Ult. group and start talking shit about other groups in front of them they would tell you the same.

[@londonbordeaux]

*THE ISSUE ISN'T THEIR CONFIDENCE, THEY JUST CAN'T SING, IT'S TIME FOR Y'ALL TO ACCEPT THAT*

[@Hanzu_Yuzuru]

Gurl shut lol your comment didnt age well😂😂

[@londonbordeaux]

@@Hanzu_Yuzuru It was 4 months ago, nothing change and it never will, almost 10 years into their career and they're still one of the weakest and the weakest out of 3rd gen girl groups, deal with it 😘

[@Hanzu_Yuzuru]

@@londonbordeaux gurl clearly havent been into one of their concerts. Didnt check their behind the scenes for their solos, especially their recent japanese concerts. Also there not that weak at vocals sure there not that great but they are 9 members what do you expect and they are in jyp ofc vocals arent their top notch priority to begin with.

[@londonbordeaux]

@@Hanzu_Yuzuru *WEAKEST 3RD GEN GIRL GROUP, EAT IT* IN

[@londonbordeaux]

@@Hanzu_Yuzuru *WEAKEST 3RD GEN VOCALISTS*

[@markjae6716]

First step and I think the game changer would be is that they should drop their Key's. Is hard to sing on a high notes and then mixing it with dancing? oh boy.

[@hih1951h]

What a crappy video edit but sure using Twice's name and vocal topic at least give you views LMAO

[@mikachumyzzz]

This was before, they are slaying in this 5th tour, especially Nayeon and Jihyo. One thing that i cant accept from once, is that they praise too much Jeongyeon when she isn't that good live, she is good when she is not dancing, but when she dance, her voice becomes too shaky, the whole performance she is out of breathe.

[@kemii_io706]

no. 3mix absolutely slayed no whatsoevers

[@VanessaSele]

they are not slaying. they sound even worse than before

[@asxtro7145]

@@VanessaSeleYou’re obsessed. Become a fan or shut up 💀

[@londonbordeaux]

their 5th tour and only 2 members are praiseable ahahahahah pathetic group

[@JulianaRusso-oe8qo]

Yeah i agree her stans hype her up to much

[@amd.0001]

Some onces are just like what you just said, kinda delusional, saying they sing 'stable' while they aren't. And twice's song as well just like you said, working against them. But I see what their producer at jyp came from, the kpop industry is a fast paced environment, they have to give their absolute best at all cost. And while we're at it, why do you think at the set me free encore they seemed to be singing off-beat? Off-key is a given, but off-beat is quite rare.

[@kspectrum]

hmmmmm I think it's because they can't hear themselves fully maybe their in ears aren't working that could be my best guess is and they can't hear themselves bc the music is so loud

[@kspectrum]

or I think because they're so focused on singing their parts correctly they might be singing a bit slower without even noticing

[@amd.0001]

@@kspectrum it's a possibility I guess. The in ears probably messed up in sound timing

[@beautiful_manday4698]

Off beat happen ALOT in encore becuz of ear pieces issues

[@yummymellon4058]

I believe they have among the worst vocal out of the many popular girl group.. At least group like GFriend have few stable strong vocal. And mamamoo surely excel strongly even with powerful dance moves and high range tone. I honestly don't get the hype for twice apart from their beauty and dances, like they failed miserably as a singer.

[@blueen2a]

I see it differently, I think they have the best Vocals from the popular GG. Mamamoo is in a League of its own. They are the best across all Generations

[@einsleyharriot1294]

I think you only see them in a very small lense. like a couple of encores and misfire.. cuz if you watch their concerts, other encores and vlives they really sing well

[@Jihyooooi]

​@@einsleyharriot1294Yes, people forget that there are also good moments from Twice 💀 but for some reason they only focus on old Twice videos, and nowadays they IMPROVE MUCH more people focus Only in some old Twice encores and this attracted A LOT of HATE to Twice and it's very sad :/

[@praybeytdolan8285]

This is fucking annoying to watch

[@BuyJiafeiyassifiedpr0ducts]

A lot of their problems come from members being given unsuitable parts for them. A lot of their music is not in their comfortable range, and Jeongyeon being a power vocal is underutilized and difficult parts are given to weaker vocalists. If JYPE would utilize 3mix and the other strong sub vocals better, they would probably sound better. There are also a lot more videos where they sound stable, this person is juat focusing on their bad moments.

[@NE_KV]

Yeah the favorites always get the hard parts so they struggle(we know who)