Let's Talk About Youtubers and Power Imbalance...

[@abbylane]

the way that james tried to throw a pity party by being like "i guess i have to ID people" was soooo obnoxious. if verifying ages of people is the hardest part of your job because it's just so difficult to be professional and keep it in your pants, you need a reality check :)

[@gemjule]

Truly

[@ASLRoberts]

Woe** is me. If checking IDs keeps you out of jail or prison then check the damn ID or stop trying to date people who you need to ID.

[@sydney.mp4]

the guy's age was in his TIKTOK BIO like dude you didn't even have to ask for the ID it was already there right in front of you

[@Al-zs1zh]

Not only that but the victim has expressed that he was a fan. James Charles really failed to notice how much power he has compared to the average follower

[@sourgreendolly7685]

@@Al-zs1zh Or he knows that very well and is happy to exploit it.

[@kdragon713]

David built his platform off humiliation and is now teaching kides not to bully! 🧐

[@kelsynicole9135]

Sounds he’s like trying to preserve an image to me 👀

[@mariafritz7290]

@@kelsynicole9135 my srmjniv

[@abrilvonbunny6205]

I always felt that pranks on youtube vlog channels were low key Bullying masked by "but we are friends" Feels like "I cant be homophobic, I have a gay friend"

[@Wendigirl11]

@@abrilvonbunny6205 “I’m not racist, I have a black friend.”

[@creatrixZBD]

Sounds like a natural progression to me. Plenty of people have full-on pasts and go on to become part of the solution to the very problem areas they were once in. Think of drug addicts who become amazing counsellors, or ex-cons/streetkids who go on to be youth workers etc. we are all works in progress, and nobody can predict how someone will evolve in the long run. (Not a DD stan, I got no horse in this race)

[@graces.4523]

When will youtubers realize that their audience is not their dating pool??

[@kdragon713]

Right

[@mojojojo3212]

I think it’s until they face real consequences for their actions

[@taurusandlibra2638]

THANK YOU

[@lenaalmassy1050]

I obviously don't know any of these creators personally and can't speak definitively about any of them, but at this point it seems like a lot of these people really get off on the massive power imbalance. It increasingly seems like they're intentionally seeking this dynamic out.

[@void-xt8pw]

@@lenaalmassy1050 they totally are. As soon as you hear someone's a fan of yours, you (should) get immediately disinterested. We're all humans and we all have brains and know immediately the kind of power imbalance that creates. No if ands or butts about it. I feel like people don't take this extreme enough. To me dating a fan is the same as dating a minor.

[@b0nem0ther]

It's the same reason doctors and therapists can't date their patients and why teachers can't date their students. It's literally the same power dynamic. I was abused by a spiritual teacher turned partner and it really fucked me up. Even if they don't know it, dating and flirting with fans is abusing that power dynamic.

[@LaurenLaass]

@blushdreams same with college students

[@marianne5055]

And why you have to disclose to HR if you're dating your boss...

[@bubba94290]

@@marianne5055 anyone dating in the workplace has to disclose that to HR

[@rutgerhauser2377]

No it is not "Literally" the same power dynamic. KZbinrs aren't licensed doctors or therapist confidants. It isn't like an employer forcing you to do something to keep your job. It isn't like a police officer forcing you to do something to remain free. Stop equating the two. KZbinrs are idiots on the internet. You have the right to walk away at any time. Are you actually suggesting that they should only have the right to date other youtubers?

[@rutgerhauser2377]

@@marianne5055 Being a fan of a youtuber and dating them is nothing like dating a someone within a workplace. GTFO.

[@xoXneoncookiezXox]

Let’s be honest here. David fully knows the power he has over people. Maybe he doesn’t realize socially, but he knows he has financial power. There’s been so many clips of his friends begging him not to put a clip in and his response is to pay them off.

[@tyreek.6815]

I agree but that doesn’t also just play out on David just because he has money lol. I believe your still at fault for taking the money and participating in the events.

[@gemjule]

Yeah fair

[@hind__]

@@tyreek.6815 The thing is for a lot of these cases not everyone has the power that David has. Most of these people when being made to leave quickly lose any relevance once they are out of David's pheripheral for even a short period of time effectively turn into "normal" people. Like, as Seth said, he was having a lot of money trouble and David super held that over him which is disgusting

[@tyreek.6815]

@@hind__ (since y’all want to blame everything just because y’all dislike someone.. this has nothing to do with the racial and sexual assault since y’all obviously can’t read) so relating to that then. I’m all for Seth speaking his truth but I’m not gonna hold that part against David tho. Seth choose to stay for how long and also chose to say “jokes” on HIS part. No one can force you to do anything, in this context. You are your own person no ones controlling you. The fact that David held that over him has no significance to him still being there. Okay your broke so your feeding off a rich person so you complain that he held that your broke against you to make you stay? That’s a no. Sometimes you have to take risk. Instead of feeding off someone who may or may not be a good person you always make sure YOUR okay. Notice how everyone still in David’s group have their own thing going even Dom. I don’t think that specific part is valid. Just my opinion and view on it. You can hate David all you want but don’t put everything on him just because he’s the target of interest. You have your own responsibilities.

[@void-xt8pw]

Totally! Even if it's subconscious he is VERY well aware.

[@elsiemae5182]

That thing you said about David Dobrik having the mentality of a 14 year old boy is true about just SO many famous male youtubers.

[@jadenpetersburg1431]

They’re also surrounded by ‘yes’ people. They have no limitations as everyone around them is profiting from them.

[@prettyoddissy]

That seems to be the mentality they adapt because that is who they assume is watching. Idk just my theory 🤙🏻

[@lindsey2070]

It reminded me of a GQ video he did where he talked about liking child’s toothpaste and it was very off putting. Edit: it was shampoo* not toothpaste.

[@mirandad.g3964]

I feel like after they get famous for acting like 14 year old boys in their videos they never have the need to mature ever again. they get rewarded for being immature and theres no need for growth

[@di3486]

Narcissists. Those are eternal children.

[@jazzy4982]

I hate the fact that James tried to manipulate people by saying, “He said he loved me” in his response as if that somehow makes him a victim. He’s literally a celebrity and people say they love him all the time. And what 20 year old thinks someone is in love with them after less than a week? I’ve lost all respect for James trying to play the victim in this situation.

[@isseppej]

It’s him saying: 1. I noticed he followed me 2. He said he loved me 3. Something that could be great after waking up to this kid sending him compliments and nude pictures without even talked to him yet 4. Also apparently he commented on one of the kid’s tiktoks and his age is in his tiktok bio

[@jannecapelle_art]

ive already lost all respect for him when he was partying while a pandemic is going on... :/

[@jazzy4982]

@@jannecapelle_art yeah and the fact that he’s literally friends with horrible people like Nikita. I don’t know why anyone would even want to support him anymore.

[@lindseymarotti4606]

He's exhausting. He's a 20 year old with the maturity of a 16 year old who gets treated like someone who has actual life experience. David is the same. I don't think either of them are malicious, just privileged to an extent that they don't get why what they do is awful.

[@ericap7446]

@@lindseymarotti4606 he's not even 20! He was born in '99, he is only a few months younger than my sister. What he is doing is just really gross and inappropriate.

[@bethany9902]

When you mentioned that gun "prank" david was going to pull my jaw literally dropped. Pulling a gun on teenage Americans? Jesus that is so tone deaf and disgusting.

[@11lizgoodall]

EXACTLY. And can you imagine watching that footage?? Imagine one of the many teens in the US that has experienced gun violence and seeing that, even as a prank. I can't believe anyone thought that could be funny.

[@jenniferm2672]

Tbh pulling a gun on anyone/making anyone think you have a gun is an act of terror in my eyes

[@ava-lc8gd]

pulling a gun/fake gun on someone can cause SERIOUS mental damage to not only charlie and dixie but also to people who’ve been effected by gun violence. and calling it a prank is disgusting. pulling a gun on someone and then fake shooting someone can cause PTSD even if it’s a prank bc you think it’s a REAL gun and your being threatened and you think you’ll get shot. that’s not a prank, it’s just not

[@kirstyevans7341]

It's so dumb on so many levels. What if their security guard wasn't in on it or had a quick reaction? The sound guy could have actually got shot for a freaking prank!

[@man-wv8xj]

and was he planning on pulling it out in front of Dixie and charli’s security team? He would’ve been in massive trouble

[@kristianposada6735]

i was scared to speak out against my teacher bc he was in control of my grades and did a lot for the school district... this is on a much greater scale. i don't blame people for not wanting to speak out.

[@tylenolover]

You are so brave and I wish you love and prosperity

[@smokey_glow]

I am so sorry that happened to you

[@k.a.236]

That sounds like you were in a horrible situation, hope you are okay and on the other side of it now 💕

[@marymae8307]

i hope you are safe and doing well now💕

[@justjoannak]

I'm so sorry that happened to you 😔😔

[@grayalien48]

The reason the James Charles situation is disappointing is that he had EVERY warning. He had the ghost of Marly and Christmas past, present and future, and didn't learn the proper lesson

[@man-wv8xj]

man had one of the biggest scandals in beauty community history about this exact shit and didn’t learn

[@marymae8307]

not the christmas ghosts😭✋

[@di3486]

Narcissists never learn

[@DayoOgunde]

@@man-wv8xj R FR PLS

[@aydandraws9444]

@@di3486 let's not diagnose people we don't know irl

[@endor8witch]

Let's talk about basic things like not sending nudes to people who look young.

[@proserpine3332]

I really don’t see why influencers/predators make it out to be so hard I managed to be a thot in my early 20s without ever interacting with teenagers

[@megiddo7664]

@@proserpine3332 RIGHT LMFAO it’s not that hard to hu with people who you know for sure are the age they say they are (18+) people do it all the damn time lmao

[@endor8witch]

@@proserpine3332 THIS! THIS! THIS!

[@hope-cat4894]

Why would anyone send something so personal like nudes to someone they barely know? Especially if you're famous. Especially if you went through the Bye Sister scandal. You would think after that whole ordeal, he would watch his reputation like a hawk. 👀

[@endor8witch]

@@hope-cat4894 exactly this.

[@kylafish]

i was a victim of SA. it happened multiple times with the same person. i have been asked why i kept letting it happen, but why not ask them why they continued to do it? when you're being ab*sed, you don't really know how to say no or what's happening. really really disappointed in all the victim blaming and shaming coming for seth. he didn't consent. end of story.

[@alixeverson]

i agree. i’m sorry that happened to you :( i hope you’re okay

[@ritac978]

This! T H I S! I was also a victim of SA. My abuser was a drunk guy and everyone tried to tell me it was not a big deal, he was just being "goofy". I can totally see them saying the exact same thing to Seth. Well, plot twist: it can be a traumatic experience and it's completely normal not addressing it right away. Some victims need YEARS to realize the impact those moments had in their mental health.

[@smexipenguin]

My mum was abused as a young child and when she had the strength to go through the court case in her twenties the scumbags lawyer implied that because my mum wore mini skirts as a teenager that she had it coming to be raped as a 7 year old. The second I see victim blaming start I’m so far beyond done with the person spewing it.

[@bridget663]

I was abused by my ex-husband and being gaslit is a huge trigger for me. Unfortunately So. Many. KZbinrs. Are. Narcissistic. Gaslighters.

[@ritac978]

@Queen queen This made my heart melt ❤️ It feels so good to know there's people out there that won't make fun of me and invalidate my story because my abuser was drunk.

[@Olivia-zt2ii]

What even is David's sense of humor? This is giving me jake paul vibes, how is traumatizing teen girls or staging a sexual assault on your friend funny? 🤔 There's a difference between raunchy humor and bullying.

[@jadenpetersburg1431]

But his audience did find it funny. Everyone around him was laughing. His content got million of views. That’s the odd thing. Is it ok to persecute someone for doing something that was applauded then, but now is not acceptable? I’m so torn.

[@void-xt8pw]

..I knew he was gonna get called out for something once I saw clips of him and how he treated Trisha Paytas. First off why is someone like Trisha your friend in your first place? And second off why do you think it's okay to exploit her pain for views? I can't believe anyone ever watched David's content and enjoyed it? It's like second hand bullying.

[@void-xt8pw]

@@jadenpetersburg1431 It was never acceptable to exploit people though? All of his fans are kids and the adults in the situation are too afraid to speak out because of his massive fan base. Was Shane doing blackface okay because no one called it out? No? So keep the same energy for someone you like.

[@jadenpetersburg1431]

@@void-xt8pw yeah, it was never ok. But nobody called him out. Instead all those around him continued to gain clout and money. We should have called him out back then. Or at least grant him the opportunity for a clean slate? I’m just torn.

[@chipsahoy6289]

You can only be granted a clean slate if you actually acknowledge that you did bad things and make a SINCERE effort to change for the better. In people like david, shane, and james case, they have shown multiple times that they will NEVER actually change because they cant even admit that they're awful people.

[@katrinaisley6088]

The Vlog Squad REEKS of “popular kids who peaked in high school” ... like that’s the vibe I’ve ALWAYS gotten from them... if that makes sense lmao

[@helloalexandraa]

This explains why none of them are really interesting on their own lol

[@letstalkshmack]

OOF. Yes. Yes. Yes.

[@beth4928]

I was literally just about to comment this. Popular in high school and are taking things further and further because they can't replicate that high :/

[@kalehead0075]

Yep! That’s why they were always to cringey to watch for me!

[@Rosaeart]

Grooming and or trying to “date?” your targeted demographic is wrong. 🤷🏾‍♀️

[@mariahm6059]

not only wrong but WEIRD

[@Lilly-to9hs]

@@mariahm6059 yeah, it’s like the only reason these influencers like to “date” their fans is because their fans are the only ones that want them and these influencers know that they won’t get rejected 😳

[@Rosaeart]

@@Lilly-to9hs I have a channel my self , dating somebody who looks up to me is not cool cute ect no matter their age or even a fantasy. But in this case texting and overly interacting with 16+-year-olds is sus no matter how lonely you are as an influencer as a person Of “stature” or just a normal grown adult we have to hold ourselves to a certain standard ;James is not the standard. Your own personal Rejection problems,and terrible dating life has nothing to do with your stans & fans and children, Hurt people hurt people. Stop abusing your power as KZbinrs, popular people, bosses ,parental figures, or even just family members just because you can easily persuade this person doesn’t mean you should. that’s called manipulation. It’s wrong. And thank you for watching Disney Channel 😔✨

[@starsarecool9298]

@@Rosaeart I literally just checked out your channel UM TALENTED ASF SIS. Girl u had me dying in the perfume video smh 🤷🏽‍♀️😭

[@Rosaeart]

@@starsarecool9298 ayee thank you for subbing fam 😭💜

[@xorayne_]

I’ve been saying this for years. David reminds me of either a boy who was a bully in high school and trying to keep up with that or WAS bullied in high school and internalized that and became a bully himself

[@smexipenguin]

He strikes me as the sort of person who will be in for a wake up call at his high school reunion, he’ll be approaching his classmates thinking they were the best of friends only to be told that he made their lives a living hell at school.

[@jeanpaleo490]

Waiting for him to make a Shane Dawson style washed up reliving high school movie or book

[@cmykimberly]

He's literally said the worst thing to happen to him in high school was being called Bieber because he had JB style hair, he also told Jason that the bullying jason received in school for being Jewish wasn't a big deal and happened at his school all the time and it was funny, so I'll let you work out which category he's in.

[@cassiel.6918]

Never seen one of David's videos, I don't watch vlogs, but he sounds like a more charismatic version of Jake Paul. That alone is very concerning.

[@AllThatJazz707]

Creepshow Art called him Jake Paul lite. Very accurate description

[@alext3480]

yes

[@LaurenLaass]

Dude that is so true and I’ve never even watched him.

[@justjoannak]

Agreed

[@kyliem5335]

I have a very young face and when I did the tindr thing guys would ask for ID all the time. If regular ass dudes can figure it out, famous people who have to be on their toes anyways can figure it out

[@sourgreendolly7685]

I had the same experience when I was younger (minus the app, I’m old 😂) The problem is James clearly doesn’t want to confirm ages. He’s not stupid, just gross

[@mikahong]

If ppl on places like fucking TINDER know, and you dont, thats really BAD 😂 JC is done.

[@DayoOgunde]

@@mikahong no fr

[@kyliem5335]

@@sourgreendolly7685 oh I completely agree

[@holigatis7588]

I was on a date once where we both looked young and exchanged ids. Its not hard to show someone your id JC is just stupid.

[@JDD_MD]

It’s both frustrating and a sad truth that this won’t affect David or James’ careers in any kind of meaningful way. Look at ppl like Tana, Shane, Jaclyn, Jeffree...YT influencers seem to have some sort of unnatural immunity against consequences and accountability.

[@karey99]

I think because most of those KZbinrs do not depend on being likeable... they actually profit off of being unlikeable (besides Jaclyn). I do think it’s a lot easier for men to get away with controversies... look at how long it took for Shane to get cancelled versus Jaclyn

[@smexipenguin]

It’s legions of young, impressionable fans who believe their internet idols above EVERYONE whether there is shit tons of evidence that they are a piece of shit or not. This is why Disney and Nickelodeon keep such strict rules over their young stars and shows, it’s so easy to abuse that position of power.

[@grapplejuice6059]

It's surprising and sad that people are suddenly painting Trisha as this great person now. The attention span for events on the internet is so short.

[@Hina-fo1tk]

Wait Shane is canceled tho

[@holigatis7588]

White privilege

[@jackiejosten150]

Hannah: *talking about serious things* Me: *craning my head and squinting trying to figure out the candle of the day*

[@Peyz1824]

I think it’s Bath and Body Works Waikiki Beach Coconut

[@LittleMissLounge]

@@Peyz1824 Thanks! I was trying to figure it out, too, but obviously I get why Hannah didn't bother this episode.

[@1DawnMarie1]

Haha same!!! It’s just a reaction now, gotta know the candle of the day.

[@Alexis-od7tx]

@@Peyz1824 I work at BBW, it is Wakiki Beach Coconut :)

[@bwicket]

Sometimes Hannah gets really into what she is talking about and when videos are serious seems to be when she forgets candle of the day. No worries though, she will tell us next vid since people seem to get so upset about it.

[@alanal3768]

The relationship between KZbinrs and their audience is such a weird line to walk on. Like people say they feel like the people they idolize are their friends, but in reality they don't really know the person at all...

[@wooogie672]

it’s called a parasocial (one-sided) relationship

[@as19J01]

Ikr fans and idols need to remind themselves that at the end of the day, they're all strangers to each other. You can be in love with someone's work but you don't need to be in love with that person

[@HelloThere604]

And not to mention they if these people were your actual friends, you shouldn’t idolize them. You care about them and of course can be inspired and proud of your actual friends, but an idol and a friend are not the same thing.

[@moonlitmellie]

Even if you don’t like H3, their podcast going over Scottys response was really great. I didn’t realize how severe the victim blaming and manipulation was. It’s just really sad, not only bc this will eventually blow over but bc an entire generation will think SA is okay if it’s for a prank.

[@friedbolognasandwich]

Say what you want about Ethan/h3h3 but Ethan is going HARD to hold David and Jason responsible. His fans are annoyed at how much he talks about it but he keeps talking about it because he wants to fight the way male SA is swept under the rug, downplayed, or laughed at and wants David and Jason themselves to come forward and make a statement. It could have been a one off video/podcast but then it'd quickly become old new and forgotten but h3 doesn't want it to go away without any apologies or statements being made by David. It's so true, this is just a huge power play move that David is making.

[@kikilo9647]

It was freaking triggering for me, as Ethan was pausing the video it was every single comment my ex said to me as in really the same wording oh my god the same 😬

[@moonlitmellie]

@@kikilo9647 yes SAME. so many “normal” questions that actually really cleverly disguised as gaslighting

[@moonlitmellie]

@@friedbolognasandwich yes!! People are getting mad at him but it’s like if he doesn’t talk about it NO ONE will.

[@mikahong]

I hope this is enough to turn them off from him. Kids these days grow up fast and are exposed in a world where news and information changes fast. There is no way him doing wrong will be proven as fact. They will see that.

[@katereagon4299]

Unfortunately with James, Tati has created a “boy who cried wolf” situation. If someone has been falsely accused in the past, for some reason that absolves him of things he might do in the future for some people. At the end of the day this is a pattern of behavior for James and he still completely misses the point of what was wrong with it.

[@DayoOgunde]

not only tati but other boys too

[@star_g1rlie]

i think david knows that his core fan base will always support him so he knows that he doesn't have to say anything because he's already so rich with so many stans, he'll be fine ignoring it.

[@milkbread1047]

David stans will go so hard for David it’s actually scary, I mentioned David saying the R slur and Jason saying a homophobic slur and their stans said everyone said it back in the day and I was also called a snowflake for telling how wrong and gross it is

[@alvernawiley8688]

Kelsylee Richard I hate that excuse🙄 just because it every said it back in the day doesn’t make it ok. Like do y’all lack self control or...😐

[@alvernawiley8688]

Kelsylee Richard I meant everyone 🤦🏽‍♀️

[@lindsey5659]

James Charles isn't dumb , he knows the age demographic of his fans. It's not even his first offense. It's inexcusable and he is sweeping his victim under the rug deleting comments on his video. I'm actually loosing sleep over how this man is a role model to children

[@chefleen1254]

Same I keep remembering the time his child fans flooded and shut down a block of London and it’s just terrifying

[@anonymousperson2839]

@@chefleen1254 It wasn't London, it was Birmingham. I think it was around 3000 fans who shut down the area around the Bullring. (The shopping centre JC was visiting.) It was that incident which made me realise how much power he has.

[@chefleen1254]

@@anonymousperson2839 yes thank you! It’s scary how much real world power he has over actual children

[@lindsey5659]

@@chefleen1254 it's almost like a cult , parents need to get involved because these kids are brainwashed into thinking this man can do no wrong

[@mariahhkate]

@@lindsey5659 that’s a great way to put it! It freaks me out. His fans never get the seriousness of his scandals and just take his word for everything and it’s terrifying!

[@FootlessJo]

You do a fantastic job of talking about complicated issues in a digestible and understandable fashion. Thank you! 💜

[@xoxoPinkVoltage]

This is what's wrong with 'stan' culture. Both James and David have younger audiences. People that will defend them no matter what bc they don't understand the implications of their favorite creator's actions. So at this point they know they don't have to address it bc either something else will happen and people will forget. Or their fans degrade and go after the victims so hard that the victims have to leave social media. And these big creators know that. So they get away with it every single time. Just insane....

[@jstan626]

couldnt have said it better myself!

[@beep3250]

That Charli and Dixie prank he planned feels like that Killing Best Friend “prank” that Sam Pepper did. How did David not understand how fucked up that was?

[@gemjule]

I was thinking the same thing

[@mayrarara]

Seriously, that’s so traumatizing for ANYONE to go through, let alone two young girls. What the fuck.

[@carolinex2390]

History is repeating itself lol

[@DayoOgunde]

i’m so disturbed hearing his plan!!!

[@sweettreatsyt]

Ah, just what I needed to unwind on this Sunday...😌

[@HannahTheHorrible]

SweetTreats I love your channel 🥺

[@sweettreatsyt]

@@HannahTheHorrible wow 🥺thank you so much 🥰

[@II-bn8gc]

This is a bit odd considering the topic.

[@KRfromthePaleozoic]

Unwind? How is this relaxing??

[@elizabethgregory]

@@KRfromthePaleozoic Uh its a video to watch?

[@NotimeforThis-fd4ye]

Sadly, Hannah’s advice is excellent, but it assumes these people care at all about people besides themselves and want to change their behaviour. Predatory people enjoy the power of being predatory. This will all just continue.

[@Cat-yk8qb]

When I was a kid my dad would always say to me “what you mean doesn’t matter, it’s what you did” and that’s what I feel like these people may be lacking

[@michellemadison2539]

Scotty sire is an Investor In David's anticipated app coming up, regardless of the fact he does get views subscribers because he is in that group: He has actual monetary interest in protecting David's image. Which I'd like people to talk more about.

[@odie1569]

I agree this is very important. Another thing people are forgetting is that David is under DACA, if this goes further and it becomes a legal issue and he’s charged with something he’ll be deported and won’t be able to return to the US for at least 10 years. That’s why I really believe he won’t say anything because as long as it’s swept under the rug he won’t have to deal with not just the fallout of his brand

[@michellemadison2539]

@@odie1569 I keep thinking about that too, I wonder why David at this point hasn't made more of an effort to become a citizen I know it's not the worlds easiest process but the boy has millions of dollars to ease his process, and its something that offers a lot of legal protection

[@emmakathryn5340]

I actually am having an amazing day. My mom got the covid vaccine and I got discharged from the hospital after going through a stem cell transplant for Hodgkin's lymphoma. It's nice to have a video to celebrate my homecoming.

[@bora3859]

wowww that is so amazing!!! it's good to hear that someone's day is going so well :D

[@sheelfjohnson]

Wow! Congratulations! My brother had one years (25 years?) ago for non-Hodgkins, and he's doing great now, so I hope it will be the same for you 💜

[@hotpocket2609]

that’s amazing !!

[@LishaMaria2009]

Congratulations, thats huge! I don't know you but I'm happy for you and I really hope everything stays on the up for you.

[@sourgreendolly7685]

Congrats! I wish you the best in your recovery 💕

[@pennyroyal8259]

Nothing will change as long as KZbin doesn’t, isn’t required to, impose consequences. Not only does KZbin not impose consequences, they reward bad behavior.

[@michelleannor6944]

KZbin is a business. David and James have huge subscriber base. They will not be punished bas they bring in ad revenue

[@lemonskrt6996]

I think it’s really interesting how KZbinrs pick on their fans because they know they will be vulnerable to them 😀

[@snoozeyoongi]

There’s something off about him not being able to find someone in person and literally seeking out fans that follow him to add on Snapchat to swap pictures with 🥴

[@mariahm6059]

haha, its desperate as fuck

[@sourgreendolly7685]

@@mariahm6059 It’s predatory as fuck. Desperate just makes him sound pitiful, in reality he’s dangerous. And I don’t believe for a second he doesn’t know what he’s doing.

[@justjoannak]

@@sourgreendolly7685 Agreed

[@honoratagold]

even if not in person and he just wants to share some nudes for funsies, like, my dude, grindr exists. there's no need to go after your fanbase unless you enjoy the power imbalance on some level.

[@vanydakhiev3910]

Ever since that video of David & Liza resurfaced when they made fun of Asians, I was completely turned off by both of them. I know they apologized. There's plenty of other content creators who deserve views. James....thinks he can act with impunity. And with all the enablers and "yes" people around him, why wouldn't he?

[@aliam4699]

On top of all that their “apology” was so incredibly vague and disingenuous. Liza’s instagram post read more like a filibuster w a cute aesthetic than an actual apology. They really tried to pass it off as “we didn’t know it was racist” when in the original video itself they acknowledged how racially insensitive it was but said if they laughed it off it wouldn’t be racist 💀 So many other KZbinrs have done way worse things yeah but i feel like the community really holds up David and Lisa as some unproblematic saints and I was so disappointed seeing that video but even more when they didn’t even bother putting out a proper apology.

[@vanydakhiev3910]

@@aliam4699 YES!!!! I agree 110% with everything you said.

[@claraswan5444]

The whole Seth situation has a lot of disturbing parallels to the movie “promising young woman”. Even with hard evidence staring us in the face, society turns a blind eye to protect “nice” white men at the expense of the victim

[@moonchild977]

the thing with James that scares me is that he is just acting like nothing happened and moving on, while his young fan base enables that, which is just another way of taking advantage of them, their age and everything else. talking to your fans like this, if it were happening to anyone else, would be chaos. but because it’s James, people are out here acting like he’s untouchable

[@estlee1583]

It's because when the first alleged allegation came out, he was cancelled, but then uncancelled. He had huge names taking his side and anytime a victim popped up they were shamed and told they were homophobic. The internet made it near impossible for victims to speak their truth, and we all watched, complacent, as it happened.

[@anyalaASMR]

I think he’s lawyered up and has to be quiet to protect himself. He’s pretending like nothing is happening bc that’s what he was advised to do. (At least in my opinion.)

[@robinpreston5358]

We need to talk about the racial undertones and racially charged jokes David made to Seth.

[@estlee1583]

I think this is a crucial part of the allegations that no one is meshing together. It's easy to do this to a marginalized person instead of one that the fans would be more inclined to be sympathetic towards.

[@PanicattheDiscourse]

He filled his fridge to the brim with watermelons. That's beyond "undertones", that's a Skrillex remix.

[@helloalexandraa]

And the way they thought it was especially funny because “he’s from [Compton] where [being gay] isn’t okay”... they set him up to either trigger a homophobic reaction or put him in danger with homophobes back home

[@blaskiewicz]

and the ableism Big Nik faced! all of the jokes made at his expense were about his disability, which is SO wrong

[@BrigitteDiessl]

I am so concerned about the fact that people are coming back maybe a couple of years later (eg. Seth) and saying it was toxic and he feels manipulated by 'Mr Big' and they respond by "showing receipts" of his consent back then. Sometimes it takes time for people to realise they've been wronged and speak out about it. That's why we have diagnoses like PTSD (not diagnosing or saying he has it, just making a point.) Victim shaming/blaming is SOOOO toxic and, as you say, shows the imbalance of power. I, also, don't think it's good enough for the original "leader" to intimate that "I gave you everything you have, now shut up and put up with the shit." You could say exactly the same thing about a person who gives someone, who is down and out, a job and they end up making a real success of their lives. Yes, they gave them a leg up but they don't forever expect them to bow down and lick their feet. These kids have far too much power and don't have the maturity to cope with it. This was a great video, Hannah!

[@amandalynn7480]

Thank you for this comment.

[@BrigitteDiessl]

@@amandalynn7480 that’s ok. It needs to be acknowledged that these things happen outside of Hollywood. I don’t live in the States and I grew up in the 70s and 80s when it was considered acceptable for someone to touch your butt or ‘accidentally’ brush past and touch your breasts. Ugh! It’s time people started listening and stopped brushing people off! I hope you’re ok.

[@malfoyx270]

I was waiting for your perspective on this. There's still so much to talk about abusing one's power, man being victim of sexual assault, "boys being boys" as an excuse and screaming about blm and then ignoring poc speaking about their pain.

[@thisisside01]

In “Bye Sister” Tati said James was talking to Gabriel Zamora when she was there about what she perceived as “trying to trick a straight man into thinking he’s gay.” The man in question, Sam the waiter, made a video with screenshots of conversations he’d had with James including James saying “I did not think you were 19 omg” “You’re not straight no matter how many times you tell yourself” and “When you’re drunk the truth always comes out.” These are direct quotes, he actually implies Sam was drunk when they made out. The second James dropped “No More Lies” the narrative became James brought receipts about 100% of everything and Tati made it all up because she’s a homophobe, which never made sense to me. He didn’t address that at all but nobody cared. So from James’ point of view, everyone was satisfied with his incomplete explanation and people were mad enough at what Tati got wrong that they didn’t look any further into what she may have gotten right, that he could pretty much get away with any scandal because people felt bad about what she did to him. And honestly, he did get away with a lot of things for a long time. I’m not saying this to defend Tati, I’m just saying she was correct about that. Whatever anyone says about her and that video, we all should have at least listened to Sam.

[@Cal-c-u-later]

I think the problem is that although she was correct, her intentions were skewed and now people (James stans) use that to discredit everything she said. Which is sad because it seems like she was right.

[@thisisside01]

Completely agreed

[@robinkohl9827]

I miss Tati’s videos. She had great content.

[@thisisside01]

I didn’t follow him after his video so I can’t speak to that. All I’m saying here is that he had screenshots that demonstrated behavior that was never addressed by James. You have more insight into his intentions than I do, but objectively, he provided troubling screenshots that have been largely ignored

[@thisisside01]

No offense taken, you didn’t sound aggravated to me. I agree with everything you just said. My original point was just that I wasn’t surprised to hear the new allegations because I never forgot Sam’s screenshots and I wonder what might have happened (or not happened) if public perception had emphasized that a little more. If Sam used James for clout, that’s terrible, and if James plied a guy with alcohol and tried to confuse him, that’s terrible too, and it sounds like both happened.

[@dant697]

Every time i want to root for James Charles and want to see the changes that he's claimed he's made something like this always happens. There's always an accusation of inappropriate interactions. There's always some entitled behaviour making it's appearance. I have got to the point where I can't help but feel that the accusations against him during dramageddon 2 weren't rooted in some sort of reality

[@workinprogress3329]

Yup. Tatie story is feeling really valid here lately.

[@MinAgust]

David’s followers seem like a massive cult at this point

[@jjjjj4787]

Honestly!!

[@camillathomas6222]

They remind me a lot of trump supporters-too blinded the adoration they have for an individual to see the truth of situations. Seth was SA’ed even if David didn’t realize it at the time, Seth deserves an apology at the very least

[@kristen3776]

I’d definitely recommend researching what happened with Alex Day in the British KZbin scene. IMO it’s one of the reasons the original British scene splintered and fell as much as it did. This was definitely the first abuse of power of fans I saw on KZbin, and it was swept under the rug a lot to a point I never see people talking about it.

[@airypersiflage]

Yup. I remember. It also had a lot of effects on those who were friends or coworkers (like Charlie Mcdonnell who literally cut ties and moved countries afterward) and had not previously known what was happening.

[@airypersiflage]

Not just him either. His circle of friends and music creators, many of whom subsequently faced charges for various abuses.

[@ashplayssims]

The ENTIRE Nerdfighter community that John and Hank Green built up fell apart when it was revealed that 80% of the male influencers were either grooming/abusing minors or their significant others. I feel like since it was such a niche community, people don’t really know about it, but I would love to see a deep dive into this, beginning with Mike Lombardo being busted for CP on through the next couple of years where the whole community blew up

[@n.g.7097]

I’m just like so confused as to why JC doesn’t understand that minors= illegal. It’s not that hard???

[@reviewbrethren8090]

he does, David knows what he’s doing too. these are grown men, we need to stop infantilizing people and assuming the best in them. predators will prey on kind, open people with big hearts to serve THEIR desires and wallets until the sun dies.

[@sourgreendolly7685]

@@reviewbrethren8090 Well said.

[@shoogur3920]

I love that Hannah’s able to demean herself, I.e., “I’m not going to talk about this and cover it as drama because it’s a serious issue,” when referring to James exchanging lewd photos with a child. This is serious. This is horrific. And this needs to set an example for influencers to break this pattern of exploitative behaviour.

[@sa-mi1un]

The fact that JC built his brand on stealing a term specifically made for women supporting each other (sisters/sisterhood) and made millions while simultaneously not supporting women just shows the misogyny and lack of caring for others. His fan base is young girls and boys and young non-binary pals and he exploits them.. Yeah i get it, "hopeless romantic" but there is no excuse. Hire a dating consultant - there are people whose jobs are to connect celebs/rich people and James could benefit from that. I disliked him for his use of "Sisterhood" so deeply even before Bye Sisters and now i just can't with this punk. Women really need to take the beauty industry and kick these problematic men who exploit them out (JC, J*, SD, P* and more) 😒

[@kristen1035]

I find your view about using a term for women (sisterhood) as the name for his fan base really interesting as I never really thought about it that way. I think I have to agree with you! He doesn’t seem to support women in any way, unless it helps his career like collaborating with Kylie Jenner.

[@sa-mi1un]

@@kristen1035 exactly! Only to get more views but never like genuine uplifting of women in and out if his industry

[@jennali9800]

Ffs it's not "stealing", it's him expressing his femininity. Criticize James Charles about the dating all you want, but this is just ridiculous.

[@laurinhaaa6402]

@@jennali9800 He also portrays femininity in such a questionable and weird way... i rlly don't mind anything he does but the pregnant shoot? in what way was that him expressing his femininity, it's just weird at this point and tbh it makes me rlly uncomfortable :/

[@sa-mi1un]

@@jennali9800 Look up the history of the word sisterhood and its use as a rejection of the power of religion and men over women. How this term evolved. Now imagine someone had done the same thing to a term for lgbtqia+ community or a race or culture, there would be outrage. These terms have meanings and power and should be used by those they are meant for to uplift, not to make merch by a men, sexuality and presentation is irrelevant. This is Women's month so let's not forget all the women whose accomplishments were diminished and toss JC onto the pile for his role in the beauty community.

[@ohitsclemenTIME]

One thing I noticed a lot about David's content is how dangerous it is for his friends who have substance abuse issues. Like Heath for example and his drinking. I'm honestly shocked that Health was able to make it out of that part of his life without major injury because David really capitalized off of his alcoholism.

[@starheartskull15]

Look at Zane, he’s already busted his head (luckily didn’t get any brain damage I’m assuming), broke his elbow/arm, and punched through his own glass door while drunk. That would definitely make me see my friend who encourages my drinking for their videos differently. Also they hid this verrryyyy well but observant fans figured out that sometime last year a lot of the group traveled to Utah and when Jeff came out saying he was involved in an accident and his face was all messed up; it was cuz of something for the video. And obviously they hid it cuz 1) this was in the beginning of quarantine when they knew they shouldn’t be traveling and actually tried hiding it unlike now where they just openly show all the times they’ve traveled for fun and 2) cuz they knew people would call David out for involving his friend in yet another very dangerous stunt.

[@lemonskrt6996]

I think us as viewers need to stop idolizing these people because they are human just like us and aren’t these perfect angel characters we make them out to be

[@mojojojo3212]

I think a good thing to note is that most of these people’s audiences (ie James Charles and David dobrik’s) are kids who don’t realise this

[@lemonskrt6996]

@@mojojojo3212 yup yup 100%

[@tyreek.6815]

@@mojojojo3212 idk if you know but it’s mostly young adults like 16-25

[@mihlalimgwebi4060]

They're not just like me. What they do is inhumane. And yes, people shouldn't idolize them.

[@tyreek.6815]

@@mihlalimgwebi4060 I wouldn’t say inhumane that’s a little reach.

[@kokokevin1800]

David gives me the vibes of those high school "class clowns" who are just bullies and get mad when people tell them their jokes are just mean

[@emmasprouse9944]

I can’t believe I used to watch David’s vlogs and laughed at his disgusting jokes.

[@OTK_KING]

Me too

[@jaxenaz]

Same

[@blinkur09mom]

I don’t think David recognizes that what he did was wrong. I feel like most of those people who have power and money become desensitized to many things that the toxicity continues to go on. His vlog squad are essentially all lackeys to him and they probably will remain loyal to him and whatever he does cuz they feel like they owe him after their fame or whatever it is they get.

[@celestedivinity2178]

Let’s talk about how James is continuously pursuing this high school aged romance and people burgeoning on legality. There is something to be said about the ways in which these people have Peter Pan syndrome and can’t pursue older adults. This is why platforms like TikTok concern me; there are too many avenues for pr*datory people to have access to teenagers.

[@Jana-wh3ux]

David often says he doesn't feel like he's in his 20s and sees himself like a 'kid'. He really never grew out of that pubescent boy humor and it's becoming detrimental to everyone around him.

[@dajf95]

the resemblance between David and Shane’s situations is wild.

[@HannahTheHorrible]

“Hey, you probably shouldn’t pull a g** on a 16 year old”. BuT PRaNkSss

[@claireeebee]

"Are we watching these toxic places being created right before our eyes?". Yes! I'm glad you're talking about this!

[@RachelJayne92]

Why is James even messaging people who look like teenagers?! He’s like one of those creepy guys that hangs around the schoolies kids.

[@wowwwws]

idgaf what anybody says, james is a creep and his notes app tweet was just him victim blaming. “ulterior motive” ?????? you followed him, he wasn’t by his phone every second of everyday waiting for you to follow him so he could accuse you of grooming him. and also the victims tiktok has his age in his bio!!!!! where james commented on and said that he was trying to dm with him.......no way he missed his age. he’s disgusting and there’s no denying it.

[@whenbailey]

My bubble was burst with Sam Pepper, Alex Day and Vee one Eye, the “first wave” of realizing youtubers can use their power over their young fans for their own sexual enjoyment. It might have been Evan Edinger who said that youtubers like Alex Day were socially awkward people in real life, but with their power it became easy for them to take advantage of girls. I’ve been on my guard about communicating with youtubers ever since, so honestly this growing culture isnt new or surprising to me, just a continuation of the same toxic culture.

[@loannebhold]

this needs to be a top comment

[@Stellina]

Thank you for speaking out about these things. How hard is it to not engage with your fans in a sexual way?? FFS, go fish somewhere else or face repercussions. Actual, real world repercussions. Also, I think that your surprise at these things happening in YT spaces etc. (you said you never thought you'd see it) is just because you're still young. As you get older, you will realize how very true the "Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely." quote is.

[@ambernicole.]

If he would have actually done that joke.. their security could have pulled a real one on him and someone could have actually been hurt... that’s not funny in any type of way wtf

[@Sophia-ks9yu]

That’s what I was thinking the whole time she was explaining it. I guarantee you police would have been called at the minimum

[@kathleenem9207]

It could have been tragic.

[@bambi6711]

I remember young me felt off about david's vlogs for a while specifically because I thought a lot of the behavior was kind of dangerous (and a part of me was just really hoping everything was just faked and staged), and i think seeing this conversation surfacing now is getting to me because its like everything I thought was weird WASNT just me. Validation like 5 years later is just kind of crazy

[@carolinarincon9956]

i think the reason why david dobrik hasn't come out and apologized is because he would literally have to apologize for ALL of his vlogs. 99.999999% of his vlogs contains either b*llying or dangerous and irresponsible bits. he would basically have to take back his entire channel

[@emilyvera8891]

when this news was coming out this was allll i was saying - in a certain situation...it doesn't matter how old that person is/was (although it makes it such much worse) an influencer shouldn't be hitting up fans to flirt in the first place.

[@137-trimethylxanthin7]

Hannah, thank you for being a voice of reason in this cesspool of hormones and bad behaviour. So many will downplay disgusting things instead of telling them "how bout no". It's gotten to a point where police needs to be involved.

[@MichaelCeratops5678]

I feel like this issue has existed all along but it's really coming to light now. I remember Colleen Ballinger had a weird thing with an underaged fan. I'm sure there are tons of examples unfortunately. This conversation needs to be had.

[@justjoannak]

Agreed

[@amandalynn7480]

Adam Mcintyre, he's got several videos talking about it. It's such a disturbing situation and he's STILL getting blamed/shamed for it, and only recently turned 18.

[@MADKC4Ever]

The Colleen Ballinger and Adam McIntyre situation is very different. Adam has lied multiple times about the situation and falsely accused her of being a p* in front of millions of people.

[@chelseyworth9256]

At this point, I think people just need to accept that James Charles LIKES and PREFERS the power imbalance. He wants to talk to someone who idolizes him, he wants the upper hand when he asks kids who haven't even graduated high school, to disregard their sexual and emotional boundaries for him. He uses his fame and his position of influence to get what he wants from fans, who he knows damn well are mostly teenagers. It's disgusting and I'm glad the minor decided to go to the police, this isnt internet drama anymore.

[@kiralaurent1237]

Makes me wonder about the whole tati situation at the beginning. Maybe she wasn’t wrong

[@dejdej6769]

@@kiralaurent1237 that’s what I’ve been thinking. She literally called him out “You are using your fame, your power, your money, to play with people's emotions”.

[@chelseyworth9256]

@@kiralaurent1237 I absolutely think Tati's original video was based in something. SA and grooming is often very, very hard to "prove" with screenshots and receipts like most people on the internet expect. That doesnt mean it didnt happen.

[@aafloofy]

I don't know why but the aa meeting finder in your description just makes me so happy, because it's the simplest thing but it just shows how much of a sweetheart you are

[@maddie.bolland.7]

I really appreciated listening to what you had to say about the larger perspective surrounding these issues. The amount of unchecked toxicity that is created in these spaces is really worrying! And, as you said, I think the power dynamic between a youtuber or influencer and their fans is something to be concerned about because it's rarely made visible or spoken about! Thank you for this video, you've given me lots to think about :)

[@sararodic4361]

These people have gone unchecked for way too long and of course they’ve become desensitized to right and wrong- its been happening to the rich and powerful since the dawn of time. Unfortunately it seems this is going to be one of those situations where something truly morbid and tragic has to happen before youtube or tik tok or some kind of regulatory authority steps in.

[@kathleenem9207]

Absolutely. It’s escalating- just a matter of time. Then we will get some second grade excuse about. “ I didn’t know.” Yes, you do.

[@betacamo]

This has been a prevalent issue in gaming for years, and it's interesting to see the similarities in these different industries. Maybe a topic for the Glow Show, since Charles seems more in tune with the gaming side of youtube?

[@ositaiza888]

yeah this reminded me of the cryaotic situation as soon as i heard abt it

[@JesssicaMessica]

I’m so happy you’re using your platform to talk about these things. I’m always so interested in knowing how you perceive these types of situations.

[@katrinaisley6088]

I feel like if you need to ask someone you JUST MET how old they are... they’re probably too young for you (also... can we talk about how that’s one of the creepiest things ever... like JC claims he’s mature and all but if the first thing you need to know about someone is how old they are and then IMMEDIATELY sending them lewd photos after they say 18... like c’mon- that’s predatory behavior to a tee)

[@kmseileen]

Thank you for mentioning what’s been going on in the Asian community lately!! Often times talking about the discrimination we face as asians feels like being that one friend that gets talked over😅😅

[@lifeasmadison]

I think a really interesting instance of a “squad” that /is/ regulated would be SMOSH. Obviously there has been a change of hands and Ian and Anthony no longer own it, and I don’t want the norm to become “sell to a conglomerate so we don’t get cancelled” when people could just,,, be better lol.

[@abbywolffe4114]

I had to attend an anti-bullying assembly the other day and David was one of the speakers Which was, you know, A Choice

[@koolmercy123]

its like hannah knows i just smoked a bowl and just wanna listen to her talk for 22 minutes :D

[@alixeverson]

wait same lmao

[@hollywood2499]

OMG YES!!! LOL!!!

[@PinkRedBrisk]

Man thats sounds so good right now, but I don't have a guy😭😟

[@PotatoHero524]

God a mood

[@kat8559]

Want to like this comment but it has 69 likes... nice

[@Erinknitsalot]

Love this video! Power imbalances are such an important things to discuss. This is a problem across so many aspects of life! We need to be talking about things like this more

[@babiigirljulian01]

My thoughts are that these “squads” have taught each other the Hollywood grooming techniques from those who actually rub shoulders with Hollywood. Very toxic and refreshing to see a take on this that is very true and the best on this platform. The James Charles segment was spot on.

[@emilypeterson2266]

The multitude of ways in which children have become prey through the aperture of social media is sickening.

[@heratlas]

I love your videos so much. It’s always so easy to digest! I do want to mention that it’s such a shame the people on social media who are problematic get the most views and easily build a fan base. I watch so many creators on KZbin who’s work is so carefully executed, positive, and high quality. They’ll never get the attention they deserve for their storytelling because they aren’t problematic 🥵

[@yuvenamurakumo356]

Thank you for being a voice of reason! This needs to be adressed to a broader audiance. Honostly, I find you this to be such an underrated channel.

[@lauramanley7328]

James Charles makes me sick. He literally puts on a show like he's the victim and I can't take it anymore.

[@m4cden501]

the thing with james charles is that he can’t find anyone in his circle because everyone around him knows how gross and thirsty he is. so he goes after ppl who WORSHIP him bc he knows that he will get never get rejected. he’s desperate dude but he needs to stay away from fans.

[@Sophia-ks9yu]

I tell all of my parent friends to educate their kids on what to do if their fav creator reaches out to them. I was taken advantage of by my fav when I was 14 and it was just as bad as being groomed in person

[@kelseybearscozyfares]

Thanks Hannah for speaking about this in such a grounded and insightful way. You consistently cover issues like this in a mature/respectful way, which is important because so many people on Twitter are minimizing these situations. Predatory behavior IS serious! People need to stop acting like this is a trivial "oopsie" when people in power are repeatedly abusing or preying on others. If we keep brushing it off, this behavior will continue.

[@heysfb]

It is pretty creepy and sketchy that James sees someone follow him and he immediately follows them back and looks them up on other social platforms. Like how many new followers must he get every day? Does he scroll through all of them looking for someone he's interested in or does he follow back all his millions of fans? He has nothing better to do?

[@ohwow4377]

I love how articulate and well spoken you are. You explained the situation so well and I totally agree with your stance on the issue.

[@lesabri]

people like watching others get humiliated and Dobrick brought that to the internet. It's like the lowest form of entertainment to make fun of people for things beyond their control.

[@Pipdippy]

I don’t understand why James is acting so shocked. Everyone knows that his fanbase is mostly young teens. I don’t think he can get away with this one as “he lied about his age”

[@fancifulimpression]

I appreciate you discussing this topic. I think it can be easy to forget that people so young still hold power over their audiences of similar ages but it’s so important for us to not lose track of that. I really think youtube needs to have better hr and protections put into place for both children on KZbin and young fans.

[@rachelcrosbie585]

Trisha deserves more credit than she's getting for being one of the first people to speak out about this. Ethan also for using his platform for something he know he will get backlash on.

[@Goeeegi]

Exactly!

[@hellomoto5870]

David acts more like a 10yo than a 15yo and I ask myself often if it’s intentional. Not to be an asshole but I think it’s a manipulation tactic. His friends (the people he terrorizes) always say he’s like a little kid. Nobody would ever suspect a little kid is abusing their power over them. Just me speculating over here

[@emilymcintosh2968]

james: these grooming allegations are absolutely false !1!1! also james: *literally admits to grooming in the next sentence*

[@EverythingInLife95]

he admitted to sending nudes not grooming, two very different things

[@chronicallykelly7193]

David got the "I need HR," from this video, riggght here! Props Han, you actually got through to him a little, I think! 👏👏👏 David 100% watched this video, babydoll. You basically gave him his material to cry to during his "second" apology. It was when you were quick to back to this one for material 😬😬😬 LOL fr though!! Girl he listened to you

[@moretyquira]

Influencers going out of their way to try to date their fans makes me think that they're not looking for partners, they're looking for somebody who will hero-worship them.

[@miizmi3660]

It's worrying but not at all surprising that ppl in positions of authority or influence abuse their powers for their own satisfaction and gratification. Worse that when victims come out usually the first "defense" ppl cling to is oh they're a "clout chaser" or a "gold digger", as if these situations haven't played out ad nauseam throughout history 🙄 I mean you think by now ppl would understand that greed and corruption are commonplace but then again history is cyclical for a reason.