Let's Watch DEATH BATTLE | Sephiroth VS Vergil

How about we watch...a Death Battle? Sephiroth VS Vergil!
They both have fancy swords. They both have silvery hair. What time is it? Time for the One-Winged Angel and The Dark Angel to face off in a fight to the death!
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[@SebasTian58323]

Sephiroth wasn't anywhere near full power in advent children, but he is probably the most op character in final Fantasy, only reason he lost is because cloud is the protagonist

[@superfungames7049]

Facts they had to have someway to beat him so they used plot armor so cloud could win

[@tyrant-den884]

"I will never be (*come on Sephy, think of something cool*) a memory."

[@BJGvideos]

Tyrant-Den "Super--" (wait shit you backed yourself into a corner here) "-Nova"

[@Nathan-zc4db]

I thought I was the only person who called him Sephy!

[@thetorivor3440]

Also it's a nod to his theme song when translated it says "Do not remain in memory"

[@keatondamien9975]

I guess it is pretty randomly asking but does anybody know of a good site to watch new series online?

[@emilianobishop9934]

@Keaton Damien Lately I have been using flixzone. You can find it by googling =)

[@vergil6931]

In my opinion this is the best fight all season

[@egalitarius8582]

Vergil

[@vergil6931]

Vengeful Darkness 🖒

[@KingRock9717]

So you didn't care that you lost eh Vergil well get well soon.......Jason's picking Sephiroth's opponent.....remember Doomsday

[@THEbbqsause]

Vergil 69 I wonder why...

[@4711DAWN]

VERGIIIL

[@LOL-gz5zc]

(Bully Maguire vs. Sephiroth the One Winged angel) Bully Maguire would win W/L ratio: 100% to 0%

[@neosuduno]

Sadly, they didn't hold back the big facts, that sephiroth's illusions gave him the upper hand. Sephiroth "Faked entire scenarios" and Virgil has been beaten thanks to illusion attacks before. The healing was addressed too. The only feat not addressed was the strength.

[@tldoesntlikebread]

what illusion attacks. what they were showing was Nelo Angelo but that's about it, I didn't see them show Vergil's susceptibility prior to Nelo.

[@chriskoloski32]

neosuduno We've seen sephiroth cut through cannons made of steel using energy shockwaves from his masamune, he cut through a skyscraper when he wasn't even at full strength in the advent children movie.

[@KadzietWolf]

After Arkham, Vergil became less susceptible to illusions. Plus, against Mundus, he was severely weakened by Dante and then fighting demons for hours on end.

[@jonathanjoestar9714]

We never saw Sephiroth's full power anyways. He was pouring most of his power into meteor WHILE fighting Clouding and crew.

[@______1278]

The illusion that Vergil was affected by wasn't even an illusion, it was just him recalling his family before being controlled by Mundus.Vergil has never been beaten by illusions in DMC.And his healing being taxed out is just headcanon nonsense and even with Vergil being tired from fighting Arkham and Dante his healing was still the same shown when he got cut in half but healed instantly which they pointed out

[@KadzietWolf]

They severely handicapped Vergil in this battle, just fyi. Vergil's sword CAN cut through anything. You actually need to focus your power into the strike to do so. If Vergil had the time to focus his quick draw, then he could have cut through Seph's sword and body at the same time. “Although Yamato resembles a katana, it is even sharper than the Japanese blade, and is imbued with tremendous magic. The sword is said to be able to cut through anything, even the very fabric of space itself. The only thing that has been shown to be capable of stopping Yamato's strikes is the Rebellion. Although when the user is weakened, the sword's ability to cut through anything also fades. This was seen in the end of Mission 13, when Lady blocked Vergil's slash with Kalina Ann.” - Devil May Cry wiki Plus, they didn't give Vergil his Force Edge/Sword of Sparda. It contains the power of his father, Sparda, and gives Vergil even more power. Plus Vergil can manipulate Force Edge so well that he can send it out to attack on it's own by throwing it out as a deadly spinning blade with a damaging aura. Beowulf also doubles the attack power. So those newtons of force should be doubled actually.

[@Flawless-Walrus]

I mean, they also gimped Sephiroth extra hard. Bahamut Fury has FTL feats, and let's face it, Sephiroth can one-shot with his transmutation abilities. A healing factor is only going to do so much against literally transforming into a little depressed frog forever.

[@cynicreviewer]

Irrelevent. Sephiroth has unlimited healing. Also his strength stats that were mentioned at the end to be superior to Vergil were measured before he transformed under the power of the lifestream, when he was just a SOILDER, so it's reasonable to assume his strength also had severe increases

[@Xargas]

Sephiroth doesn't actually use healing in combat though. At least not after his big change. I don't disagree that Sephiroth is stronger, but the way they measured it was dumb - they used Cloud's brainwashed memories, which can hardly be reliable. They covered speed without actually covering anything, and they used a crapton of speculations on Supernova - the move that was the decisive factor for this fight. And they completely forgot to alter the numbers during the Devil Trigger, the thing that amplifies his everything. I'm sure Sephiroth could or even WOULD win, if not simply because the man has far more versatility than Vergil does, but I disagree with almost every thing they presented in the analysis at the end.

[@Xargas]

- No, that was them justifying how strong they measured Sephiroth to be. And I'm saying that's not a reliable method to measure his strength. - No, that was definitely speculation. They even said at 8:23 that there's a lot of debate on how Supernova actually works, and followed it with "I think-". They presented their reasonings for reaching their conclusion, but in the end that all still fits perfectly within the definition you just presented for Speculation. - "A FF7 player would not question Sephiroth's back story, abilities or even that of what he may be capable of. Educate yourself through official web sites-" etc. etc. What the heck is this? Are you trying to tell me that I'm not educated enough in the fictional stories of these characters to doubt the reasoning presented in this Death Battle? Do I need to be? I am not arguing about whether or not Sephiroth would win, I'm saying I disagree with how they reached their conclusion using the data they presented. I don't understand that last part of your comment, you're basically indirectly trying to say that I know nothing about Sephiroth and therefore I am wrong. This is not an argument.

[@Xargas]

@Loven Tidus I can't see your response here for some reason. Did it get deleted?

[@perrycarters3113]

Brass tacks: Vergil has an overwhelming advantage in regular sword-to-sword battle, even prior to Devil Trigger. He's significantly faster, and can strike dozens of times almost instantaneously with Yamato's Slash Dimension attack, so theoretically he could overtax Sephiroth's ability to heal by outdoing any healing spells Seph casts with additional strikes. However, Vergil has virtually no magical prowess, and Sephiroth can wield the strongest spells an infinite number of times, including illusions and other spells that attack the mind, which Vergil is weak to. Notice how, as soon as Vergil scored clean, consecutive hits on Sephiroth, he immediately resorted to magic. As much as people think of Sephiroth as being the ultimate badass badguy swordsman, he is far better with magic than he is with a blade. Which is still super impressive, since he IS a super badass swordsman.

[@DelphinSquared]

If I had to guess why they withheld info from us just because of the format of the show. You can't show everything including factors that favored one of the fighters; it will defeat the purpose of the fight animation in the first place.

[@hellkaiser64]

DolphinSquared the one who get all feats revealed or with a higher value than the opp is the one who loses

[@logangc8598]

I agree with DolphinSquared. It's Death Battle's thing to purposefully not give all the information because it encourages the viewer to second guess if the perceived combat will actually win. I understand where Ris is coming from, feeling a bit cheated because not all the information was there at first. But at the same time, showcasing every feat will show how lopsided some fights are.

[@logangc8598]

Qui ingreditur viam prudentiae I did not mean or cause disrespect. I merely said that the guys at Screwattack have used this method in Death Battle as a means to get the viewer more invested over who will win. I even said I understand where Ris is coming from, as not all the information was presented during the analysis. My point is I don't mind the way how Death Battle presents the information because at the end of each episode, they explain it with all the information, hidden or already mentioned. If I wanted to be an ass in the comments section, I would but I didn't. I just offered my own opinion and to add to DolphinSquared while being civil as possible.

[@vergilsparda4748]

Great reaction ris. Merry Christmas! Also this wasn't my favorite death battle to date, but it is my favorite one this season. My favorite death battle of all time is wolverine vs raiden

[@topsyturvy4707]

Vergil Sparda Mine is a three way tie between Link vs. Cloud, Sephiroth vs. Virgil, and Natsu vs. Ace

[@vergilsparda4748]

Flamethrower 145 yeah. Those were some REALLY good ones

[@bensell982]

I've noticed whichever character shows more numbers loses

[@freakingoutwolf7487]

The cunning beat the relentless fighters And I don’t think Vergil could break out an illusion that he didn’t know was there

[@ducksplain]

*FUN FACT:* Supernova isn't powerful because it hits you, because it can't actually kill people. It always only takes a fraction of your HP. It's powerful because it causes confusion, silence, and slow. Also he has a move called Pale Horse that turns you into a frog.

[@shana7743]

Fun Fact: Sephiroth is always holding back in all of his fights. Why do you think it only takes a fraction of your HP.

[@ducksplain]

shana7743 ...the same reason all bosses have a specific amount of HP. Because gameplay mechanics. That has nothing to do with Sephiroth's strength.

[@shana7743]

It's not just the game mechanics, he always holds back, so he can toy with those he 'fights'.

[@ducksplain]

I don't know where you're getting these 'facts' from.

[@nathanalexandre9043]

False can kill you if Seph wants it too.

[@soldierofkazus]

They didn't even really pull out all of Sephiroth's arsenal. They missed the Heartless Angel attack, which is specifically meant to leave the victim at death's door. Also, I feel like they overestimated the Beowulf feat by assuming that every instance of slow motion is slowed by the same factor when that's clearly not the case.

[@Jygerthe2nd]

Looks like Mommy Issues trumps Daddy Issues. :P

[@lightcolt8784]

This was a really good one imo

[@TheLithp]

I actually really, really liked it. Which is surprising, since I'm a fairly persistent critic, & this is coming after a fight I found disappointing & one I found so-so. I'm only familiar with Sephiroth, whom I think they oversold, but even so, I think the conclusion makes sense at least based on what they've shown regarding Vergil.

[@mysterykiddo2167]

And that kill at the end was absolutely brutal, just what you’d expect from Death Battle

[@dakotadoyle7573]

That clip at the end of the Vergil segment was of Virgil challenging Mundus, his dads old boss and fuller of the demon world. And he did it right after the fight his brother sliced him in two

[@wessltov]

And we know how that went for him...

[@JackalGoldKick]

Agreed they should have given us the full info ris. Its fun making predictions with these death battles.

[@lyconxero457]

You should know by now that if they only give one of the characters a bunch of mathematical feats then odds are that they are actually going to lose because they are holding back half of the analysis.

[@BradleyMcCloud]

They really should do the math afterwards and keep the feats int he first part.

[@N_DAnimationEnthusiast]

Lycon Xero true

[@_Nat3_]

Thank you sombody understands

[@CubexBuster]

It seems like that the first character who gets introduced gets the win

[@dragonlichqueen8755]

Am I the only one, even as a massive FF and DMC fan, that just genuinely enjoyed the fight for what it was meant to be (an entertaining fight) and wasn't bothered by some of the misinformation. I am? Okay, that's fine.

[@MrAuthor3DS]

Why are you surprised that Sephiroth's strength feat wasn't revealed before the fight? Lots of feats (that is, their calculated results) were only shown in the aftermath, too - like with Naruto and Ichigo's spiritual strengths, or adamantium's vulnerability to high-frequency vibration weapons (for Wolverine).

[@josephperez2004]

Man, I fell out of watching these for awhile. Going to binge through all the ones I missed. Love the reactions!

[@chriskoloski32]

To be fair, if you ever played either of the games you'd know damn well how the battle would end up. and you even saw advent children, where sephiroth cut part of a skyscraper off and launched it at cloud when he wasn't even at full power

[@goofygoober779]

I really liked the animation, but I also think that the info should have been given at the start. I also thought Vergil was going to win, so it kinda buged me aswell. And thank you, yes I had a great time, but mostly because it was nice to see that somebody thoguht the same way I did. It really is kinda cheaty to hold back information.

[@Rockstar-yv3cu]

Rewatching the episode, I noticed that Vergil never teleportet with Yamato (with comes technically from a different canon) but couldn't that be a way to get away from Sephiroth's Supernova? Especially since he could see through illusions. Aside from that it was a good fight but hardly the send of from a Session final.

[@Nicknamekb]

Rockstar he did teleport away from supernova as soon as he could, that's how he escaped it. Sephiroth hid supernova until it was close enough for him to get a good hit with it, at the rate supernova hit mercury and Venus, it was moving at speeds faster than light, over taxing Vergil's healing factor so sephiroth can get the killing blow

[@theblasblas]

Supernovas travel at about mach 38, we haven't seen Vergil use dimension teleport that fast. Sepiroth explaining was just for animation purposes.

[@Brobuscus101]

theblasblas >Mach 38 >Travels from one planet to another instantly Totally Mach 38

[@averagegamecritic]

True. Sometimes withhold to not give away. Now the twist issue is a problem as well. It’s a conundrum

[@jakandratchet9930]

I see where you’re coming from. I understand your perspective of the analysis, and process. Although it didn’t bother me that much. I thought it could’ve gone either way, depending on who really pushed the other first. I really enjoyed the fight. Like you said, Torrian is an excellent 3D animator. They fought at the right pace, the choreography was flowing and badass, their fighting styles and techniques, everything was all captured so well, fluidly and at the right fighting pace/speed. The effects were terrific, combos were kickass, voice acting was good, Sephiroth’s model looked really good. The only problem for me was Vergil’s model looked too chunky. It looked too obese. Vergil is more well built than obese. Other than that, killer battle.

[@MrAuthor3DS]

I think I see what's happening. While Vergil could tell that Arkham cast an illusion, he still couldn't see through it. And I'm guessing that Arkham completely changed the scene to something wildly different, which made it easier to realize as false. In that vein, Vergil could at least tell that the Sephiroth doubles were illusions when his sword phased through that one double's sword with enough force. But it seems unlikely he'd have picked up that the Supernova dimension was veiled, because Sephiroth kept it disguised as the very arena they were fighting in.

[@LoneLobo894]

When they included the statement that Yamato can cut through anything was over exaggerated, they failed to include that Vergil was very tired after fighting hordes of demons and Dante TWICE the WHOLE DAY without rest! In the cutscene they showed to prove this fraudulent statement (the one where they said he couldn’t cut through a simple rocket launcher), a minute after that scene Jester (a fodder level demon that plays mind games with Vergil and Dante because he’s too weak to physically fight them) literally caught Yamato in his hands after Vergil grew tired of his babbling... He then explained that Vergil would cut him into confetti if he was in tip top condition. Of course Screw Attack failed to include that part....

[@0axis771]

But that's just it. It proves that the lore of Yamato cutting through anything is indeed an exaggeration, as the "cutting through anything" is nothing more than just Vergil exerting the force necessary to cut through the objects. So by all means, Sephiroth's sword was just strong enough to withstand the force of Vergil's sword strikes, and therefore, Vergil cannot cut through Masamune.

[@LoneLobo894]

Axis No it’s not. You want me to show you proof?

[@0axis771]

You're missing my point. Vergil's condition by all means should be a non-factor on a SWORD that is supposedly able to cut through anything. If one Vergil needs to be in "top condition" for this feat of cutting through anything, then its not really truly in the lore of the sword being able to cut through anything, but just that Yamato is a powerful sword that Vergil is able to exude so much force that he can make the lore fit that it can cut through anything, but overall, the sword lore on its own is just an exaggeration. Plus, given how Masamune has become throughout the series, it's never broken no matter how many hits it takes or dishes out. Given that Sephiroth can summon it through the Lifestream, wouldn't one also assume that Masamune has become an "indestructible" weapon, as now one could consider that it's durability is equal to the energy of the lifestream that it comes from now? So it would by all means counter Vergil's own sword's lore of being able to cut through anything.

[@LoneLobo894]

Axis “Although Yamato resembles a katana, it is even sharper than the Japanese blade, and is imbued with tremendous magic. The sword is said to be able to cut through anything, even the very fabric of space itself. The only thing that has been shown to be capable of stopping Yamato's strikes is the Rebellion. Although when the user is weakened, the sword's ability to cut through anything also fades. This was seen in the end of Mission 13, when Lady blocked Vergil's slash with Kalina Ann.” - Devil May Cry wiki

[@0axis771]

Okay, you countered one issue, but the other still stands. For all the power that Yamato had, that doesn't mean that Masamune's durability is out of the question. As once again, we saw that it withstood many forms of attack. The very fact that Masamune again is summoned from the lifestream on a whim basically means that it also holds tremendous magical power as well. And if Sephiroth has virtually limitless magic because of the lifestream, then by all means, Masamune has the same case of being impervious to destructions. Then that would mean that Masamune would in fact be like Rebellion, and thus can withstand the attacks of Yamato.

[@DocGenius42]

i don't think DB hast to give all the information beforehand. the only purpose of a DB is to determine a winner based on facts about the characters, present what they found and their argumentation and give us a fight that's fun to watch as well as incorporates some of the ideas they came up with (what kind of counter a character can use against a skill of their opponent, etc.). of course people like to try and find the winner themselves before the outcome is presented, but DBs aren't designed for that.

[@BJGvideos]

Something they didn't get into is that Seph was mistaken about his parentage. That woman we see falling to the floor is his actual mother, Dr Lucretia Crescent. He does have Jenova cells, but he was augmented with them in the womb. Who's his father? Ohh-hh boy I'm saving something for when you play it. Because you need to play it. And 6 as well.

[@BJGvideos]

Also, the thing about Sephiroth's hair is canon! It's from the prequel game Crisis Core, which focuses on Zack.

[@TutorialMaster1892]

For people who dont have time to play it: Its hojo, the crazy doc who banged the girl Vincent loved. what a playa

[@Spellshot693]

Great reaction as always. Have a merry Christmas.

[@jakandratchet9930]

I love that Death Battle t-shirt you have on. I need to get a Death Battle t-shirt of my own

[@TheLithp]

"Is that really a thing?" In Crisis Core, you can join fan clubs for the characters, & they give you weird anecdotes & bits of trivia. It's unclear how much of it is actually supposed to be true in-universe, but that's not really the point, it's supposed to be something silly & fun for the player. "He died from being impaled before." Not sure if you noticed, but they said that he was "officially" listed as Killed in Action. What they didn't note is that Shinra says that any time a SOLDIER disappears. Sephiroth's death (I think it's acceptable to say he died & brought himself back to life) wasn't from battle damage, it was from being chucked into the Lifestream. "I really like that movie, I really do." You're alright with me. I see your point about them withholding information, but they did say that Vergil was ultimately defeated by a mental attack, so I wouldn't say that's their fault. Also, in fairness, they have a footnote at one time pointing out how Sephiroth doesn't fight anywhere near his best. In double fairness, I actually forgot about this until a day or so after I initially watched the fight. The lack of an in-depth explanation for a fight actually didn't bother me, because for once, that's totally in-character. Sephiroth really gets off to stroking his gigantic ego against anyone who could be considered stronger than other opponents he's fought. I don't really understand your complaint about what Sephiroth said. That he noticed Vergil could cut dimensions? He does it himself, I don't see why he wouldn't be able to recognize someone else doing it. Also, they didn't really mention it, but he's very intelligent & also has mind reading powers. Thanks, honestly, it kinda was my favorite, rivaled with Goku vs Superman. Toph vs Gaara & Link vs Cloud are up there, but I don't like the 2D animation, & as an FF7 fan will tell you, Cloud got screwed over. Even more in retrospect, since ScrewAttack retroactively agreed (I still disagree) with the fanboys' insistence that Supernova hits with the force of an actual super nova. I'm gonna end this ramble on a list of things I noticed they got wrong about the continuity: Sephiroth is considered left-handed, not ambidextrous. The Compilation clarifies that his eyes are supposed to be green. As far as I can tell, there is no official figure for the length of the Masamune, & the Wiki says it varies in depiction. Mostly unimportant trivia, strangely enough.

[@animegx45]

Next season, you really should start watching the videos from the Screwattack website. The version of the fights there don't have the blue apron ads for some reason.

[@drakemiller8080]

When you're in Devil Trigger you're not impossible to stop just make sure really hard to injure also the fact that Virgil didn't do that at the beginning could have meant that if it worn out and damaged sephiroth during that time well that also means he could have one but the fact that he took too long and let him absorbed the damage but that's how you gain double trigger

[@DukeofGames50]

When you told boomstick to go see a doctor I died man xD

[@Sirxeko]

Knowing the characters, I agree with the conclusion. But you're right, they seriously dropped the ball in setting up why it went the way it did.

[@angelictear5964]

I agree. I think the DeathBattle is always enjoyable. But when you actually care about more than just the flashy fight, you bother to see things like them with-holding details or casually glancing over things that are a lot more important. I hope they stop doing that, I'd like to see them being upfront about it so that I'm not left just thinking "But wait, what?"

[@MysteriousTomJenkins]

Thinking back, yeah they were a bit two-faced with the information. Analysis: Yamato can cut through seemingly everything End: It can't cut through everything and requires lots of force for hard objects. Analysis: He escaped a powerful illusion. End: He's very susceptible to illusions. It is essentially that golden tree feat that they said Beast had but then revoked at the end. If he can't lift it, don't say he did.

[@vivil2533]

plus vergil is not susceptible to illusions Nelo Angelo (from my understanding) is not a mind controlled Vergil. It's Vergils demonic power (and possibly Corpse?) shoved in a suit of armor.

[@seriousspikesam7770]

Looks like other people have me covered here already so I'll just thank you for your reaction and wish you a Merry (late) Christmas and a Happy New Year. Season five starts in February huh? Guess I'll have enough time to ponder my life choices and wait for another season where Duke Nukem vs Serious Sam may or may not happen... guess there's only one way to find out. I'll see you then.

[@firerath]

I'm just gonna copy paste what I posted on another video. I will say what I said before. I don't know enough about Final Fantasy to argue that the research for Sephiroth was botched, but Vergil's was atrocious. First off, Vergil lacks any weakness to illusions or even mental attacks. When trapped in the illusion of the nameless demon, he was fully aware escaped with ease. Vergil's concentration mechanic, while possibly non canon, directly contradicts their argument, as it turns concentrating into one of Vergi'ls special abilities. With Nelo Angelo, he was brainwashed for around 10 years by Mundus himself, and even then just seeing Eva's amulet was enough to partially break through, showing further mental fortitude. Also, he died because Dante was better then him, not because Mundus was mind controlling him. Second, Yamato. The inability to cut through Rebellion is easily explained. It is Dante's power given a physical form, and as such is as powerful as he is. Arkham's corrupted form can also be explained this way, as he had the (corrupted and uncontrolled) power of Sparda, who was able to challenge reality warping beings and win. For Kalina Ann, however, I lack a proper explanation, possible due to Vergil's exhaustion, as Jester, a lesser demon, was able able to catch Yamato barehanded. The only feat of speed Jester has is dancing around bullets, so it's safe to say Vergil far exceeds him in speed, but was unable to beat him. Now let's look at the feats that can be attributed to Yamato. Dante, who is inexperienced with Yamato (show with his inability to perform judgement cuts), was able to slice through the Fortuna hell gate in a single slice from a great distance. It is also the only weapon show to be capable of wounding Nero's devil bringer while being used by Sanctus (someone who clearly lacks the skills to unlock Yamatos full potential), which was able to block a point blank Rebelion stinger with Nero at his weakest. Finally, force edge, with carries a fraction of Sparda's full power, but is still significantly deadly. Force Edge is weaker than Rebellion, but it is just as versatile with attacking options. Giving Sephiroth Supernova while neglecting to give Vergil the Force Edge, among other things, seems to show some level of bias, at least to me.

[@OmnicidalClown1992]

At least they have an actual shit about the season finale. You know, unlike season 3, where it ended with a joke.

[@ShimmerScarlet]

Omnicidal Clown Would have been worse if they played it seriously. Pink Horse murderstomps Deadpool.

[@OmnicidalClown1992]

Try the other way around.

[@ShimmerScarlet]

Omnicidal Clown lolno. She not only speedblitzes the overrated meme mercenary with Relativistic speed feats, but she has taken explosions well beyond his body's average durability, at point blank, and been okay. And no, that's not from a gag feat. Give her access to Rainbow Power, and she murderstomps via hax including, but not limited to, BFR, Sealing/imprisonment, removal of powers, and so on. If you really need a reason to be salty, I could also inform you that with speed equalized, she likely defeats a decent portion of Final Fantasy characters, too. :^)

[@OmnicidalClown1992]

So? Deadpool is no stranger to dealing with all the stuff you mentioned and more. Plus, he's endured a hell of a lot of crap, including getting his head blown off, getting decapitated, his entire body melting, and has tangled with the likes of Thanos. And if we're to include his feats of killing the entire Marvel universe, Deadpool, as actually killed the unkillable.

[@ShimmerScarlet]

Omnicidal Clown That's literally a story created from sheer Plot Induced Stupidity, and is an outlier. And, if his powers are taken from him, and he's attacked once or sealed for 1000 years in the moon, he will die, and not be able to regen. He also can't do much about being turned to pure stone, regeneration or not. Deadpool is highly overrated and can't beat any marvel high tiers, where the MLP universe currently stands. Trust me, that series is one of the best examples of being stronger than you look.

[@13KuriMaster]

I see you are now seeing the meta pattern SA uses in Death Battle, that can help in predictions when they hold stuff of till after the fight.

[@nettune9980X]

17:00 yes ris it's getting semi old. Why not full old? Because it changed at times but not every time. Also I hungry too I didn't eat Christmas breakfast yet and merry Christmas.

[@chaosshadic40]

In regards to the illusion feat, I got from them that he survived a illusion, key word “a”. They didn’t say he was completely immune to illusions, just that he specifically survived this enemy’s illusion.

[@tldoesntlikebread]

well the thing wasn't just that he broke out of it but rather it didn't affect him really.

[@vivil2533]

Also in regards to the illusion feat Vergil was never bothered by Illusions The "illusions" that they claim led to Vergil's death was actually Nelo Angelo. After being defeated by Mundus Vergil and his demonic power where sealed inside of a suit of armor know as Nelo Angelo. Nelo Angelo is more like a different person rather then a puppet (Although he is still obedient to mundus).

[@novelgiani]

Ris Grestar in the thumbnail looks like he knew he had to do it to 'em.

[@jackstamper893]

Obviously they don't throw out the data for both person in the opening bit, precisely BECAUSE people could figure out the winner beforehand. It should be suspenseful until the end. Therefore, they will keep the more complex calculations for the analysis. Here is one easy way of finding out the winner, though. Listen to their explanations, and if any combatants feats are purposely measured bigger. Like always using the highest possible comparisms, etc. This person had to be upscaled, to show even this way he looses. Same, if they always fall back to "at least". Then this person is downscaled, to show even with conservative estimates, he wins. They did this to Vergil here, for example when measuring under the slowmotion, pushing his limits as high as possible. This showed me, he will probably loose.

[@Animemovieuploder]

hello Ris hope you have a good christmas also good video =D

[@Cronotrigger44]

yes sephiroth is from final fantasy 7, he's also in the dissida fighting games on the psp and the new one coming in 2018! vergil is in devil may cry 1 as nelo angelo and devil may cry 3 he is also in devil may cry 4 special edition on pc and ps4

[@Cronotrigger44]

oh and he's in crisis core final fantasy on the psp as well XD

[@silvore64]

What you said about feeling cheated I completely agree, because I picked Vergil even though I prefer sephiroth and when they explained the part with Zack's strength feat I felt like this was unpredictable. They should of at least mention the metal door feat but without the math to it. PS. Love your videos.

[@vivil2533]

also they lied about vergil. He was not weak to illusion in fact he surpassed powerful illusions until he was Destroyed by "SATAN" and turned into a DIFFERENT DEMON. Nelo Angelo was the one who was mind controlled!!! also the reason vergil couldn't cut through those weapons was because Rebellion (Dante's sword) is just as strong as yamato ; as for the rocket launcher, Vergil was tired and out of demonic power after fighting tons of demons, beowulf, and Dante all in a row!! Finally Vergil has three weapons... they totally skipped the force edge which (arguably) is his most powerful weapon.

[@silvore64]

Yeah this was one of these death battles that didn't do too well in the description department.

[@Xargas]

I don't understand why they think using Cloud's brainwashed memories as a way of measuring his strength would be reliable. If we were to follow that reasoning, we'd be able to conclude that Cloud and Tifa's strength were even higher than that in their respective Death Battles, as their strengths by max level surpasses Sephiroth's strength back before his big change. And as Death Battle keep saying, they are looking at the characters at their strongest. Which would mean Cloud and Tifa's strengths would be even more than the equalance of 30 Hiroshima bombs. I don't think Link can tank that.

[@freakingoutwolf7487]

Isn’t a plot twist something you don’t see coming and surprises the reader/watcher?

[@tommikoistinen2321]

Advent Children Sephiroth had like 5% of power of "real" Sephiroth.

[@Mwright4444]

I mean kinda, Cloud has protagonist armor though. And I mean Vergil now is way too OP lmfao Capcom just let him and Dante stomp cause they think it's funny istg.

[@malibutaa]

No, Advent Children Sephiroth was the strongest version of himself at that point. This is confirmed in Reunion Files.

[@jayjack6618]

It's more like this one the characters are very well-known and we could connect dots ourselves it's just those little few that didn't know about the other dots

[@dbv8600]

We were both wrong but both wanted were rooting for Sephiroth. You are still winning by 1. However I am surprised a lot of fans including my self loved this Death Battle.

[@CodyBeyblade9560]

I hope Optimus Prime would appear first when season 5 comes out and be in 3D

[@vergilsparda4748]

Cody Lane same

[@vergilsparda4748]

But from what I heard the first episode will be 2d. Personally I think that season premiere should be PIT VS SORA

[@chaosshadic40]

Cody Lane Who would he fight?

[@CodyBeyblade9560]

some other character who's also alien-robot (like Optimus himself) with almost the same history as Prime's

[@vergilsparda4748]

chaosshadic40 I forgot his name but Optimus should fight the main robot from gundam

[@AxelMattias]

But they did kinda already give out all the info before the battle, but they didn't put up all the calculations before the battle. which would ruin the one who would win.

[@jackmanleblanc2518]

Sorry Ris I gotta disagree with you. In my opinion the opening of these death battles are meant more to be fun and speculative. If they give you all the information that takes away all the speculation and makes the winner all too clear. After the battle has always been where they get right into the details of BOTH combatants. Remember, the primary purpose of these death battles is to entertain. Not to be taken as seriously as some people think.

[@jennifergriel861]

Why don’t you just pause before the ad and skip ahead.

[@Kakarot882000]

I don't think I agree that the analysis portion was purposefully misleading. First, they did give a feat of strength for Sephiroth when he tanked Zack's attack equaling 1600 tons of force. I imagine they gave this in tons of force rather than newtons because they don't want to directly state which feat is more impressive.I mean the opening is meant to be fun and speculative, not giving us straight answers for who's definitively stronger/faster. Sure the feat of strength came a bit out of nowhere, but they were still comparing Sephiroth's strength with Zack's: showing one feat of strength in the opening, and then stating exactly how much stronger he was in the end. As for Virgil, they only said he escaped an illusion that drove everyone else insane. I don't know what the illusion was myself but just from that I get the impression that it was an illusionary world designed to drive you insane, and Virgil had the fortitude to eventually escape it. But he was obviously still susceptible to it in the first place. I will give you that stating his sword can cut through anything is a bit misleading, even if it's the Devil May Cry lore. I mean they could have at least shown it not cutting through things while Boomstick made fun of it. But overall I felt it was pretty fair to both sides, as someone who legit knows almost nothing about either character.

[@boomsticktv9255]

At 16:20 y'all laugh at 17:30 he says varle going to win and at the end of the video he changed he's mind and says sath wood win good video keep up the good work

[@KionKamon]

The “illusions” Vergil was subjected to by Mundus were more mind control and cursed armor. Also funny thing Vergil didn’t die in canon, he is in DMC5 which happens after DMC4 and DMC2

[@leristamerello8225]

All the info on Sephi was canon via the game as well, FF7.

[@MultiDante333]

I, as a hardcore DMC fan, have a lot of issues with this particular battle, but I'll try to name the more.... obvious issues. First up - Vergil always carries 3 weapons in most of his appearences- Yamato(Katana), Beowulf(Gauntlets) and Force Edge(another sword that Vergil uses a lot like Dante uses his sword Rebellion). They completely left Force Edge, which is arguably his most powerfull weapon, even though they showed in the gameplay parts of the breakdown. Second of all, Yamato CAN cut dimentions if the user WANTS to cut it. Case and point, Dante, in DMC4, used Yamato to cut down Hell's Gate from miles away by slashing it. In the cutscene you've used to "prove" that Yamato's feature is overblown, Vergil didn't even intend to kill Lady. That's why he didn't cut her Kalina Ann(Rocket Launcher). Third, you've pointed out that Vergil was susseptible to Mind attacks, seing as Nelo Angelo was defeated using that. But the thing is, it wasn't a Mind attack, it was Vergil remembering who he was, because Mundus defeated him, erased his memories and made him Nelo Angelo. You yourself pointed out that Vergil us capable of surviving the Mind Blows capable of driving people insane. Forth, you've used a feat original Vergil is not capable of - Dimentional Teleport. Only DmC Devil May Cry(God awful reboot) Virgil was able to do that. I can go on and on talking about how they downgraded him, but it would be a waste of time.

[@macronan1870]

Actually, Force Edge is in the possession of Trish. Devil May Cry 3: Dante's Awakening takes place before Devil May Cry and Dante starts DMC with Force Edge. Which meant that he got Force Edge from Vergil after the events of DMC 3, and Trish got it from Dante at the end of DMC after he had unsealed its power to transform Force Edge into the weapon Sparda.

[@aufdeinennacken1758]

1. I agree. 2. If Yamato was able to cut through anything, Vergil would win any fight with just one hit of his sword. 3.Mundus erased his memories- thats nothing else than a mind attack.

[@aufdeinennacken1758]

And there's no abilitie Vergil has wich can protect him from the super nova.

[@travisprescott9708]

Do they really think a sword that powerful can't cut through a Rocket launcher lol, he probably wasn't using his full force

[@nahte123456]

I'm not a huge DMC fan so I can't say for Force Edge, but Yamato can't seem to cut Rebellion, why would it be able to cut Masamune? As for Tricks, Erasing memories sounds like a mind attack to me.

[@sanstheskeleton7516]

Ris Grestar You're confused about Vergil being strong to illusion then screwattack saying he's "weak" to illusions?,i can explain that. Vergil survived a demonic illusion,showing a good resistance to illusions,right? now,what they showed in-video is not Vergil suffering illusions or any sort of mental attack.It was simply Vergil remembering something since his memory was erased by Mundus so he could use Vergil like a puppet.

[@rosegiogio9255]

This battle was so inconsistent

[@realhayabusa9515]

See you next season Ris! :)

[@Nathan-zc4db]

Probably the best way to fix the problems you have with death battle would just be to give you the feats but little to none of the numbers. like "oooooh look at this big thing Vergil punched and it might have been in slow-mo." and then "ooooooh look at this guy Sephiroth beat up this guy seems pretty strong." and then in the conclusion give you the actual numbers to back it up "like this feat we showed you before would take X strength but this one would take Y strength therefore this guy is stronger." then we would have all the info but it still wouldn't be obvious. Honestly this was kinda a dumb idea for a death battle anyway. I don't have a huge amount of experience with DMC but I've played some of the games and I have far more experience with FF and FFVII in particular I mean forget a fair match for a fight this wasn't even a fight Vergil is strong don't get me wrong but Sephiroth can barely be considered anything less than a god in a mortal coating.

[@QJD1381]

They kinda foreshadowed Sephiroth winning by showing Vergil literally running towards his death at the end of his own preview.

[@Teragaul]

A plot twist is when the reader or viewer has most not all it is made to withhold some critical info to catch you off guard hence plot twist

[@vivil2533]

in my opinion a good plot twist should give you enough Info so that you can figure it out before hand if you are smart enough. A great plot twist should give you so much info that it seems unbearably obvious when you look back on it after the reveal but still manages to surprise (also you should still be able to figure it out early if your smart enough).

[@landenbanks8919]

Well to be fair with the illusion thing they did technically give you all of the information you would need to make the correct interpretation, though I will admit they were being a bit misleading even then

[@thatuberrican8745]

I still didn’t like that Sephiroth was able to use Supernova when he can’t access that in his base form in FF7. In any case, this is still one of my favorite fights, if not just to see how badass Vergil is capable of being.

[@tommikoistinen2321]

It's confirmed and canon that Sephiroth can use supernova in any form.

[@azureblizzard721]

Ris Grestar VS Blue Apron

[@Blackcage3]

So here’s the reason why you shouldn’t feel cheated they said at the beginning how people tell the legend of a person that isn’t true that’s why that gave more info on Virgil to make you think he was better you just didn’t listen

[@River-pg1uk]

he could have just used yamahto to escape supernova before it reached him also they said themselves he can break illusions that make people crazy

[@Vader3334]

Hey Ris, long time fan, I love your reactions. If you’re interested, someone on the comments of the death battle video said that 3topicsreviewer (3tr) made a video about this battle, and 3tr, I feel like, went into a bit more detail (the video is about 45 minutes with no fight animation (he used the one minute melee fight animation but he talks over it and only shows a few clips from it, not the full thing) instead of the 25 minute death battle episode). This is just if you want to watch someone else’s perspective on this match up and it seems like they took a bit more into account (they state all assumptions and limits they are placing on the characters at the beginning of the video too. I’m not saying it’s perfect or that I agree or disagree with the result, just that 3tr seemed to take more into consideration and limited both to some degree, no regeneration feats for Vergil for example. I’m also not saying it’s better than screw attacks video, it’s just a different perspective on the same topic that I personally enjoyed watching)

[@josephsalisbury66]

Could have talked about who you want to be in the first fight for the next season.

[@Ris_Grestar]

+Durzo Like, anyone.

[@akumaquik]

So vergil gets hurt by fire but yet hes a half demon from hell? Hell is made of fire, wth

[@murasaika2776]

I was kind of expecting vergil to win simply because of the fact that they normally use dessidia to model FF characters and dessidia makes them surprisingly weak.. Well except I think yuna who just has infinant summons.

[@BJGvideos]

Dallas Stone And Kefka who can apparently take his god form any time he wants.

[@nathanalexandre9043]

And when Tifa makes the game easy.

[@PrestonK_Productions]

My problem was that, for a season finale, the fight itself wasn't so epic. When I heard Vergil was in it, I was expected a fight as epic as Dante Vs Bayonetta, but instead of moving around and utilizing a large arsenal or fighting while on a falling clock, they were just kind of fighting in one place.I really thought that a season finale would have a better fight.

[@juubi249]

Preston K. Productions But neither combatant had a large arsenal. From what I've seen since I've never played FF7 or DMC (yet) Vergil has a larger arsenal, but even that is just two different swords and a greave/gauntlet combo.

[@YOZORA-nj3xt]

Nick Cooper yeah but they didn't even give Vergil Force Edge which is his strongest weapon, but in the Dante vs Bayonetta fight they gave Dante EVERYTHING

[@Talyrion]

Yeah, but Dante and Bayonetta both had a far larger bag of tricks to pull stuff from (the perks of being Main Characters, I suppose), while Sephi and Vergil, as main antagonists, have less variation in their method of fighting (even if Vergil is playable in DMC3 & 4, and Sephiroth got to flex his muscles in Dissidia). That being said, yeah, they could have used Force Edge a bit (and maybe showcase a couple of Dissidia moves for Sephiroth)

[@richardconaway1687]

to be fair dante probably would have faired better. what with royal guard style, quick silver, etc. being able to freeze time, go invulnerable temporarily, and fly are things dante can do and virgil can't. even if dante can't slice his way out of the super novas' summons dimension he wouldn't necessarily have to since once the nova explodes anything surviving it is almost instantly expelled from sephiroth's summon space.

[@Evravon]

There's one thing I'm a bit confused about but I don't know enough about these two characters to make an accurate analysis. They used Sephiroth's feats from the movie Advent Children where he fought Cloud, but didn't Cloud defeat Sephiroth and pretty much hold his own? Like, Sephiroth wasn't overpowering Cloud the whole fight, right? And isn't Cloud essentially just Zack? But they said Sephiroth was 3 and a half times stronger than Zack in the games, and then they used that to justify why they were using Zack's strength feat of slicing through that door (and then for some reason scaling the size of the door in a blocky, badly-rendered scene from an old console, which I won't even get into). Sephiroth's feats are mainly game feats, and I recall Boomstick saying something in the preview video about Cloud being able to pretty much fight Sephiroth 1 on 1 and win in the movie. Essentially I'm wondering why they used the Zack door feat to justify Sephiroth's strength, and then claimed Sephiroth is 3 and a half times stronger than Zack, when we see Cloud fighting Seph and there isn't a strength difference anywhere near that level (and to my understanding, Cloud is basically Zack).

[@chaosrabbit8404]

Read the small thumbnail at the top during the advent children clips.

[@vivil2533]

well from my understanding. In FF7 Seph was defeated by a party of heroes But everytime he and cloud fought 1 on 1 seph was not at full power Although you should probably look up info about both of them and come up with you own winner as they are wrong about several feats of vergil and completely neglected Vergil's 3rd and possibly best weapon.

[@johnathenyoungs5931]

Hey ris greystar there is a wattpad book called what if battles I think you should take a look at it and mabey react to a few of the battles

[@TeddyWestside-yn7zx]

WELL YOU MISINTERPRETED THE INFO THO B but great reaction nonetheless

[@TheRichmaster24]

the explanations really do fall flat sometimes

[@redbattle5355]

So if they ever do Omega Ranger vs Silver the Hedgehog, who do you think will win because they won't do Trunks vs Silver because if everyone didn't watch Vegeta vs Shadow the Chaos Emeralds has time limit and needed some rings to keep the owners power going and if you compare to the Chaos Emeralds and Ki is that either Sonic, Shadow or Silver use them and only have a few minutes or a minute to defeat larger monsters and to Ki is that it doesn't have a time limit, but do have limits of how much energy the owner is using, so yeah Trunks vs Silver will never happen (they still going to do it, but Trunks) and why Omega Ranger vs Silver the Hedgehog is because their from the future and bad things happened and they travel back in time to stop it and etc etc you guys know what I'm talking about

[@TheUltimateNavigator1]

It is ok I have only beat Final fantasy 15 and tiny amount of 10

[@178laaleros]

They better do darkseid vs thanos!

[@vergilsparda4748]

nick knickle don't worry they said that they will

[@Pretzel_Waifu]

That is one that will come out eventually but it will

[@thirdstrike4u]

Im from the future, they did and Thanos lost.

[@filipnassen9076]

I thought Sephiroth was gonna win because they were so vague about his feats. With exception for the end where Vergil just stands and take supernova instead of, you know, leave, it was a great Death Battle.

[@egalitarius8582]

I believe the nova is what overtaxed Vergil's healing so Sephiroth could finish him off

[@jackstamper893]

He did leave. Just took him too long, so his healing factor worked overtime

[@theblasblas]

Supernovae travel at about mach 38, we've never seen Vergil use dimension teleport that fast.

[@filipnassen9076]

Yet somehow Sephiroth was able to finish his little speech before? Very convieniant. Also, I wonder why Death Battle didn't bring up all Sephiroth's different forms? Not only would that have been the battle more interesting but it would explain why he can use Supernova. In FF VII, the only time he uses it is in his Safer Sephiroth form.

[@lordvectra7821]

@@filipnassen9076 Like Bringer said, Seph doesn't need to be final form to use it. Additionally, about the final form, I assume it's because there was no need to like how Superman didn't use Solar Flare in Superman v Goku 2.

[@chriskoloski32]

i would recommend playing crisis core, but psps aren't that common

[@grayson8633]

Sepiroth didn't die from impalement technically

[@betterman7233]

Their "research" managed to combine every iteration of Sephiroth including non-canon like the Kingdom Hearts abilities all while not giving Vergil everything at his disposal like Force Edge. Sephiroth can't even cast Supernova unless he's in Safer form which requires black materia AND the Lifestream. Sephiroth's illusions base form aren't as powerful as they let on on top of Vergil's "weakness" to illusion was after 3 grueling battles. They just make up pseudo-intelligent mathematics and omit certain details (like Vergil could've cut through Lady's launcher if he wanted or Dante's weapon is specifically a Sparda weapon that can't be cut by another) to hand the victory as they see fit. Base form Sephiroth is no match for base form Vergil period.

[@theblasblas]

What's to say that Sepiroth didn't have a black materia and the lifestream? They also probably couldn't animate the Safer form in time. Also, what's your source for this? If I recall correctly Sepiroth needs the black materia to summon the meteor, to do Supernova he only needs to have enough Genova cells. Also, Sepiroth can cut skyscrapers with ease, Vergil hasn't shown that kind of strength before.

[@betterman7233]

theblasblas Because he was obviously in his base form so if he had access to those abilities he would've been transformed and I'm basing that on canon. In canon, he's NEVER used any of those abilities in base form.

[@theblasblas]

Again, it's an animation thing, and as we all know, the animation is just for fun. Sepiroth could have transformed in an actual fight.

[@sanstheskeleton7516]

Theblasblas"Sephiroth can cut sky screapers with ease,Vergil hasn't shown that kind of strength before" 'Cause Vergil never needed to do that...think that Dante with Yamato can cut Throught a GIGANT monolith made of obsidian,without even try,now think about what VERGIL could do.

[@nathanalexandre9043]

Which isn't much compared to Dante basically.

[@genesis4322]

Sephiroth is just overpowered. Vergil is super strong too but not to the same degree.

[@morningstar5535]

I like your reaction mainly because you liked sephiroth but thought vergil was gonna win

[@maguslucis]

2 thing i disagree with this DB, 1st: their music choice, how could they not use sephiroth one winged angel theme..... 2nd: is like you said they hide a entirely new feat (the door) from the analysis, what they should have done is show that feat but change the measurement so you have to convert one of the 2 to actually compare them.

[@baconisgod13]

My biggest issue with this deathbattle is that they underhanded alot of things about Vergil For instance the yamato couldn't cut through dantes rebellion sword because rebellion has almost all the same abilities as yamato it's just a different type of sword And as for the rocket launcher Vergil looks down upon humans because he views himself and stronger and a better being had he cut the rocket launcher he could have easily killed her which he didn't want so he preferred to attempt to incapacitate her instead Killing a human would mean nothing for him cause they can't put up a fight The Beowulf feat on the other hand Beowulf is actually far larger than an elephant he's actually almost as big as a trailer meaning that was an inaccurate measument And as for sephiroth he is strong absurdly so but strength can't be so easily compared to speed which Vergil can crack light speed in short bursts alot of what sephiroth can do is amazing but he could never keep up All and all the deathbattle was good but they really underhanded alot of feats as they're prone to doing in some death battle there's alot of room for improvement with deathbattle I hope they improve next season

[@vivil2533]

You not gonna mention the fact that Vergil has 3 weapons? what happened to force edge???

[@baconisgod13]

Vivil2 also an excellent question

[@theblasblas]

+baconisgod13 It's with Trish, still wouldn't have made a difference even if he had it. Sepiroth's raw stats far exceed that of Vergil except for speed, which isn't much of an advantage a guy who can endlessly heal, spawn illusions and teleport people into supernovae.

[@theblasblas]

"Vergil can crack light speed in short bursts" Proof?

[@baconisgod13]

theblasblas well I maybe wrong but I believe in the manga the light speed feat was mentioned and as for force edge yes trust ends up with it after devil may cry 1 but clearly this is devil may cry 3 Vergil which is a point in the timeline where Vergil had force edge Not to mention if your logic about force edge is to be believed he also shouldn't have Beowulf as dante took that from him

[@tyrant-den884]

Sephiroth's uber-strength really did not play a role.

[@egalitarius8582]

the end result would be the same

[@astern.7425]

Wrong thumbnail god dammit Oh he changed it

[@starblazer237]

Does this mean Sephiroth could also kill Dante?

[@appledough3843]

Ris, I didn't know you write! What do you write about?

[@Ris_Grestar]

+Alex Majin Fantasy stuff! Whoo!

[@appledough3843]

+Ris Grestar Same! Got any tips?

[@travisprescott9708]

Why did vergil stood there like an idiot and took the supernova instead of breaking out of it when sephiroth said it was an illusion

[@chaosshadic40]

The Devil Room I think he was just shocked at the attack

[@travisprescott9708]

chaosshadic40 Probably :/

[@Hazatroll]

Talking is free action; it's a fundamental gaming rule.

[@SaintDragon666]

it was hidden by illusions until it was too late. All that talk about his plan was only for the viewer not for vergil.

[@BJGvideos]

I think the implication was that he cut his way INTO the attack.