LET THE FINAL BEGIN: Separating Contenders From Pretenders | The Challenge 40 ep18 Review & Recap

[@natikroos8278]

CT pro tip -Don't take jordan to a final

[@LanaK.fan8337]

Haha🤣 LOVE IT! I miss CT! Even tho he' was eliminated early in game this season, they should've kept his PRO TIPS!!❤

[@michaelwhite4004]

Great advice there because you can see how he's cruising by it.

[@mclovinlife4018]

@@michaelwhite4004 it’s literally like he’s in a final with children. Each checkpoint isn’t even close

[@leigh5943]

@@LanaK.fan8337Agree 100%. Had the same thought when CT left. If production had any sense at all they would have taken advantage of CT’s pro tips and kept him on for the tip segments.

[@genialgigi1800]

😂 exactly

[@parisnr1091]

The karma of Laurel saying Michele isn’t going to make the final during the karma point segment was truly beautiful

[@doitheartily7727]

Jordan telling Jenny to be quiet while counting the coins had me cracking up. She would not stop complaining lol.

[@DOUBLEJOE850]

Yeah but let’s be real: if we were in their shoes, we would be complaining too 😅

[@mclovinlife4018]

“And why does her hair look like that?”😅 made me laugh so hard.

[@lallana2882]

​@@DOUBLEJOE850i can't think of a more annoying time to complain. While people are trying to freaking count. She was silly.

[@LeytonWalker-c5u]

@@lallana2882youd complain too🥱

[@carolinagoldgirl8706]

Lmfao 🤣 that’s when I lost it!!! Hadn’t had a good laugh from the challenge in a while!!! Trust Jordan to deliver that for me!!! Also, Tori and Johnny gave this season! I’m glad! Someone had to make it entertaining!!

[@ingridmoran7497]

the women all beating Bananas at some point warmed my heart.

[@U2BearCat]

It was wonderful to see.

[@SimonWakefieldUK]

To be fair though Bananas has not motivation to beat the women. He isn't competing with them and with there being no benefit to coming second in the men's 1 minute behind rather than 30mins behind all that he really needs to focus on is coming second in the men's while using as little energy as possible so if it ends up that Jordan has gone so hard that he hits a wall he can take advantage of it. He is simply playing smarter rather than feeling he has to beat the women for macho reasons

[@larrybrown3910]

I have a profound dislike for Bananas ever since he stole Sarah's money. I wish one of those women could steal money from him.

[@ingridmoran7497]

@@SimonWakefieldUK he can't beat Jordan. all this saving energy bs in his confessionals is just pure cope and saving face. he can't keep up anymore and he's trying to say it's some strategy in the confessionals post game so he can justify his poor performance. if he says it during the final, not in the post game confessionals, then I'll believe it. he couldn't keep up with Jordan if he tried especially in swimming. and in the checkpoints where him and Derek were neck and neck, why would he be holding back? isn't 2nd place better than 3rd place or am I losing my mind. And even if that was what he was doing that doesnt even make sense. cuz the sooner u get to the boat, the more time u have to rest. that's how u save energy. that's why Jordan hasn't even looked winded this whole final. he's getting 30 min breaks after every checkpoint. bananas wishes

[@shallowbay2010]

Honestly, it's Jordan and then everyone else in this final.

[@nancyvas1]

Totally agree that the karma vote shouldn't dictate who wins. If should've been revealed at the beginning and had some penalties or advantages of picking who goes first, etc.

[@sarahvEscalante]

I cackled when Brandon said Michele doesn’t need the money 😭😂

[@cindylepo6784]

Who doesnt need money

[@righteousroses]

I loved that they showed all the past players for that segment

[@opalanuitchoutte3038]

Normally I find Jordan rude, but I'm 100% with him on telling Jenny to be quiet.

[@AliFrankTheTank]

Her hair 😭😭😭😭😭😭

[@mclovinlife4018]

@@opalanuitchoutte3038 agreed. Everyone is in pain and not feeling well. You either push through or you quit

[@tararain97]

@AliFrankTheTank "why does your hair look like that?"

[@AliFrankTheTank]

@@tararain97 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@priscillanazar1152]

Now Kyland sees when they were talking about finals trying to scare him. It’s true lol

[@bigbuffguy9589]

Kyland might genuinely be the worst swimmer I've ever seen on this show, especially for an otherwise strong player.

[@LeytonWalker-c5u]

@@bigbuffguy9589dee would deino Laos around him that’s how u know it’s bad🤣

[@DepressedWolverine]

@@bigbuffguy9589 Leroy? Homie never won a final because of his lack of swimming skills lmao. But yeah, Kyland had such a good season just to get exposed for not being able to swim well.

[@Nkdbattlerap]

He still smiling tho😂

[@angelblade1311]

Jenny complaining during the counting is exactly how I'm gonna sound at work next week.

[@KMC555]

Same! but at least I’ll have coffee and my hair won’t look like that 😂

[@U2BearCat]

If Kyland continues with The Challenge they will forever montage his "whizzing the sign".

[@CoachLitz]

Wes said how much FOMO is killing him right now. I would love to see wes vs jordan in this final.

[@notamberp]

Wes’s ego needs a solid break…. He’s become unbearable imo (my hatred for him grew during house of villains 😅)

[@jamesgray6421]

My takeaways: 1. Jordan might be in for one of the best single season performances in Challenge history 2. Tori's early struggles are understandable 3. Derek has really been a dark horse this season 4. If she keep this up (even with the karma points), Michele might take this over Jenny

[@deshawnthomas9023]

Since Rachel is good on Karma points, then she needs to pick it up.

[@sugaray7435]

I think Michelle will take first, then Rachel and Jenny. With Tori not placing. This will happen if and only if Michelle wins another check point and Tori and Rachel both need to win one as well. I feel if Jenny wins most of the checkpoint karma or not it wouldn’t be fair if she didn’t take first. That’s what I think will happen!!

[@babyvegan432]

Yes, Jordan’s final performance is impressive but he never had any eliminations before the finals. He steamrolled to the finals. I would’ve been more impressed with Kyland, Derek, or even Bananas that had to fight to get to the finals.

[@joditekubie9826]

​@@sugaray7435 i think bananas and Derek might be in the same boat. Especially with how back and forth they have been, Derek might take bananas spot.

[@deshawnthomas9023]

@@joditekubie9826 he will once the Karma votes come in. That will put Derrick in 2nd place. If Kyland keeps doing bad, Idk if his Karma points will help him. Johnny might be able to secure 3rd place.

[@finnishline]

Wes would be really good on this final.

[@sugaray7435]

I thought about Wes at least once watching this, wondering what he thinks 🤭

[@jaredhart5243]

He'd still be behind Jordan. He's not who he says he is in the water, but he is good.

[@christmamina5273]

​he has beat Jordan twice in swimming in battle of ex 2 and rival 2

[@williamlane1607]

@@finnishline Wes would have killed this final

[@Nostalgic90s765]

I agree, a decently in shape Wes would have been amazing in this final.

[@alphabetsoup22]

If there was ever a final that Cara could maybe be ok with missing out on, it'd probably be this one. Made me less disappointed not to see her when I saw how much swimming was involved.

[@Grimdolyn]

Honestly watching this episode, I probably drowned 20 times.

[@michaelwhite4004]

I think especially how many times you had to jump in the water 🌊 and swim to each checkpoint that would be exhausting for me to even do.😁😄

[@docspopreviews4395]

Lol

[@JONESIE214]

I agree with your take on "keeping the friendship" in the game. I always thought it was wack.

[@briannagibson9007]

Why are people acting like Jordan has never won a final on land? This man has won ‘finals’ on land. One of which he did with one hand and one leg. To be good at the challenge you have to be well rounded because you never know what the final can bring. So people saying the final is rigged is crazy. If he wasn’t doing well at the other tasks in the final, he wouldn’t be placing first, no matter how good of a swimmer he is. He wouldn’t be coming last but he wouldn’t be placing first if he was choking on the walks, runs and puzzles.

[@jaaymurray3608]

Yeah I hate that narrative! Jordan is literally the most well rounded challenger of all time! There’s nothing he can’t do. Even when the challenge requires 2 hands, he’s still a beast

[@newgrowth2861]

AGREED 💯

[@aiken861]

I am beyond frustrated with the Karma Votes

[@mauriciodanielpozomontano5919]

I know most people hate them, but the truth is that Bananas, Tori and Michele carried this season on their own... Also Rachel, but she is not as hated as the others.

[@08richgal]

This final was made for Jordan, he absolutely killed this first portion. Derek impressed me with his penalty and catch up to everybody so quickly at the first checkpoint and Michelle is a very strong swimmer so I knew she would perform well. I was impressed with Jenny especially knowing she has asthma and is said the not have the best endurance, she killed it in the first portion.

[@nickferguson1998]

I really don’t get the whole “this final was made for Jordan” 😂 Jordan is good at everything, he’s made for every final is more accurate

[@08richgal]

@ lol you’re right, I just know that he’s a really strong swimmer so I was really just talking about that, his swimming was impressive. But yea Jordan is an all rounder for sure, I honestly can’t believe that he didn’t see an elimination

[@nickferguson1998]

@@08richgal yeah and I personally love when a final has running, swimming, cycling, and eating. I just feel like all that with some checkpoints is so good. Even like kayaking is great for a final

[@SimonWakefieldUK]

I feel Derek actually screwed himself in that first leg, he needed to make up some time but he seemed to go too hard and that seemed to have an impact in legs 2 and 3. With the way the whole thing works, you only need to finish a second ahead of your rivals, finishing way more than that is waste of energy. So when he wasn't going to get so far ahead of Jordan going into the swim back that he could stay ahead all he really needed to do was ensure he managed his buffer ahead of Banana's but he opened a buffer that was excessive and wasted energy. He basically ran that first leg like the final is time based not position on each leg and then seemed unable to put the kind of run in on the steps that he was able to put in on leg 1

[@SimonWakefieldUK]

@@nickferguson1998 Even though he is an all rounder the amount of swimming which is an area he is really strong on and Kayland is so weak on is giving him a massive advantage. It's just not really that balanced, Jordan might be winning it even without the long swims but really the final should have been testing everyone's strengths and their weakness, not making it so reliant on one single skill that that alone gives Jordan such a lead that the rest of the leg is nullified and in Kaylands case thatit doesn't matter how well he does in the other parts of the leg, he will come last no matter what. For example there are other ways they could get to shore rather than swimming, we see a Kayak in the preview for next week which if that is used to get to and from the ship will be an improvement but we could have had that sooner. And there is no reason they couldn't be dropped off on the beach on a leg. Even with the women we see Tori who for most of the season has been killing it struggling largely due to the swimming while Michelle is doing way better than she has shown all season because she is a good swimmer (Admittedly the lower humidity seems to be helping some of them, Michelle's puzzle ability went out of the window in Vietnam but she seems to be thinking clearer in the lower humidity and we saw Jenny constantly struggle to breath due to her Asthma which the lower humidity will be helping so maybe Tori simply handles humidity better rather than being as dominant as it seemed)

[@tararain97]

this final got me thinking i should try and improve my swimming skills so much I'm going swimming this weekend (literally) LOL.

[@certified_mandy]

Lmfaoooo. I’m a swimmer and i can’t even imagine how tiring and hard it was to swim IN THE OCEAN. The current … no thank you 😂 hope you have fun swimming!! ✨

[@tararain97]

@certified_mandy Thanks! Gonna need it 😅

[@williamlane1607]

I really like this final, seems old school, tough, over night, endurance and athleticism matters. I really really hate karma points, it better only affect like 10% of the winner.

[@babyvegan432]

Maybe the karma points should take money away from the reward pot but not winning points from the players that earned their rankings.

[@loganhooper8090]

I think the smartest strategy for the coins is try to do a certain number every half an hour just to not lose count. I'd probably aim for 200 to make it as easy as possible.

[@hansoloburger2322]

That is a good strategy much better than mine I was thinking i would just count the first time and just try keep the same pace and not count and just multiply it by how many rds. I really don’t think anybody is going to be really close

[@kodakbmw]

Thank you Drew Brother for the recap so glad this season is almost over MTV dragged it on for almost 6 months

[@AdreanAlcantara]

I feel like the Karma points should’ve been some sort of a penalty during the final. Now whoever reaches the finish line first, instead of being excited that they just won, they have to wait in suspense to hear who actually won based off karma votes

[@abbyhernandez4783]

Happy New Year, everybody!! I totally forgot it was on yesterday. Thank you for the recap, Drew!!!

[@tararain97]

@@abbyhernandez4783 I did a happy dance when I saw a new episode was out, I forgot too

[@davionwallace4033]

Never bring jordan to the finals and they wanted bananas out smh

[@kris2030]

I often find the overnight portion to be pointless. But I think this is a good, tough task that has legitimate stakes in the final's outcome!

[@fatiieljaouhari2472]

Are you kidding it's the best part 😅

[@kris2030]

@fatiieljaouhari2472 reread my comment.

[@Scorpio_01993]

I believe the overnight portions are meant to mentally break them. They go from living luxurious then it gets taken away at the end to see how well they adjust and test their resilience. Brutal if you ask me 😅

[@0807Kitty]

This seems to be the one of hardest finals in Challenge history. All that swimming would take me out. I like that they did a water final. It's new but it couldn't be me. Another thing I understand more is why Jordan was so mad at Anessa in Ride and Dies. She was holding him back a lot doing the final. He is crashing this final.

[@docspopreviews4395]

Bananas and Kyland complaining about the swimming portion and it being taylor made for Jordan is dumb. Jordan is a well rounded player. He can run, swim, do puzzles, eating challenges and more. Kyland is a good player and so is Bananas but they have their weaknesses. Not Jordan's fault he is good at almost everything.

[@ThatOneDude6009]

Proper losers mentality. I don't recall Bananas complaining he got an elimination tailor made for him against Theo.

[@SimonWakefieldUK]

IMHO their complaints do hold some merit, there is so much swimming in every single leg that it's completely destroyed Kylands game and its giving Jordan such an advantage that it's basically nullifying every other part of the leg. A well constructed final should be one that doesn't allow one skill to dominate each leg, atleast that way Jordan would need to show his all round strength. Atleast in the next part it looks like a leg ha sthem travelling by Kayak which is an improvement, although for all we know that's part of the leg and it still has a long initial swim and then a swim back

[@hansoloburger2322]

@@ThatOneDude6009 the elim wasn’t tailor made for him it was more that it was bad for Theo

[@newgrowth2861]

I agree with most of you about Kyland, I was really rooting for him. It’s so disheartening to see him be so bad at swimming BUT if you think about it, he’s not been as great as expected on puzzles this season either. Im still hoping he can at least place but not beat Jordan who essentially pulled a CT by laying low throughout the season then killing it in the final!

[@harpazoseason]

Jordan legit has ONE HAND!!!! I just love him!

[@SedaleHackett]

All of that swiming really shifts the odds around

[@caroljack8391]

Go Jordan, Go Bananas love both of you.

[@tanyaheald9283]

I can’t believe they are trying to kill them with swimming

[@U2BearCat]

Thank you for the recap and Happy New Year to everyone.

[@ap1146]

I’m not surprised about Michelle doing well in a swimming challenge, I am more surprised of how bad Rachael did in this swimming portion, I hope the guys show up in day 2 and let Jordan know he’s not the only one competing here and for Kyland to be such a big fan knowing swimming is his weakness and the possibility of swimming being part of the challenge probably should have worked on his swimming like Cory.

[@hansoloburger2322]

Jenny not swimming since her last challenge is crazy especially considering her instagram every 3rd picture she’s in a bikini (I just made that bit up I don’t have instagram she did have a bikini on a lot of the time this season)

[@laromero0616]

I have a change of heart about Michelle with this final, I was one of the people considering her a lay up like she stated in her confessional and would have rathered cara there initially but she's killing it and holding her own admirably. I also think cara would be like Kyland and just holding down the back with all the swimming so it's nice jenny isn't just walking away easy with each win like Jordan but has some competition. That being said I hope the rest of the final is more land based to give others a chance to catch back up

[@mv2537]

Yeah, Michelle isn't a favorite by any means but I think you always need an underdog or two because it makes the Challenge the Challenge. I miss the days of Devyn where personality mattered.

[@U2BearCat]

@@mv2537 My favorite moment of The Challenge will always be Devyn climbing up the volcano just making it across the finish line right before production was going to close down due to time.

[@carolinagoldgirl8706]

She’s from Survivor lol 😂 she has to be good at something!

[@righteousroses]

It would be so tragic if Michele wasn’t there to pressure Jenny in the swimming. I’m very proud of her first checkpoint win

[@newgrowth2861]

Unfortunately I have to agree. I hate to hear her voice and have always hated how she (and Jay!) have tried to use their Survivor tactics in The Challenge. They even did the stupid post-Tribal Council talks to the people the screwed over & lied to. Ironically when she stops doing that, she does better in the game.

[@NYCDemonDiva]

Jordan is on beast mode

[@Cosmic_end]

The trauma bonding during this final is insane considering some of these people have been arguing the whole season and yet it feels like everyone is hyping each other up

[@joditekubie9826]

I love how intense and how long this final is. Remindes me of WoW 1. I am shocked that I want Tori or Michelle to win. I thought I would be rooting for Rachel, but then I was reminded what a mean girl she used to be and still can be and I don't want her to win. Even though I think she's a badass.

[@babyvegan432]

My issues with Michelle is that she’s very whiny and entitled. My issue with Tori is that she steamrolls in almost every season she’s in. Jenny is a little quirky or annoying but she has proven to be the best female contestant ever. And yes, Rachel is still a mean girl.

[@lallana2882]

​@babyvegan432 how is she whiny or entitled? 🤔🤔

[@lallana2882]

​@@babyvegan432proven to be the best female contestant ever? Ok. Sure.

[@babyvegan432]

@@lallana2882 Have you ever watched an episode? 😆

[@haniffjunos6686]

​@@babyvegan432seems like you have issue with every girls

[@GCballer307]

After seeing the final, the treading water elimination was appropriate. The better swimmer went on to the final. I love Cara but her and Kyland would have been buddies struggling in the water through this whole thing. The female side of the final is very competitive and I like that.

[@Dropo__]

When the camera showed Jenny counting the coins, my first thought was her hair too and Brandon said “girl what is up with your hair” killed me lmao

[@KatieM2262]

Jordan is definitely winning this one. Lol. Also, I was so sick of hearing Jenny complain this episode. I literally started cheering when Jordan yelled at her at the end of the episode 😂

[@michaelwhite4004]

I know Jordan was like shut up jenny I am trying to win this. I just feel like jenny has reached her breaking point she looks mentally exhausted.

[@KatieM2262]

@ yes she is really struggling mentally. I will say, Derek made me laugh when he was commenting about Jenny and said “why does your hair look like that?” Lol. Poor Jenny; she just wasn’t mentally prepared

[@2piecenobisuit763]

It still blows my mind that people go on the challenge and Survivor and can’t swim 😂🤣😂🤣

[@OLCtv]

As long as the final some where warm, I'm happy

[@mclovinlife4018]

I don’t like cold finals either.

[@mrpigglehd2124]

The Challenge really said, no Kyland, you won't be winning this final. Serves everybody right for not throwing Jordon into one elimination.....

[@lastdayonearthmysteryman4849]

Happy New Year!

[@maxyv374]

this is the reason i keep on watching the challenge. Even though it gets more brutal, its always different each season. Im for including the karma points because like anywhere its how you treat others.

[@LucksackDan]

Good episode. First, Jordan is definitely gonna win at this point (unless he starts losing the checkpoints on day 2), and Jenny & Michelle surprised a lot of people. Additionally, Tori just did a 2-hour elimination vs Cara; so I think her endurance is definitely impacted, but hopefully she can recover and perform better for day 2. Second, Kyland's weakness has been exposed (can't swim well), but if he can get second place or better in the checkpoints for day 2; the karma points might help him out. The overnight checkpoint is gonna drive the competitors crazy (especially Jenny); but I think Kyland or Bananas might be able to win it. Overall, good part 1 of the final. Jordan & Jenny are cruising, but I don't think Jenny will be able to maintain her lead due to the mental stack and the karma points. Bananas is smart in conserving his energy- plus the fact that the checkpoints aren't timed helps with his strategy. Kyland needs to step it up or else mathematically, he won't win any money. Finally, the karma points is a Big Brother concept (which is fine), but it shouldn't be weighted too heavily. On a side note, it would've been great to see Wes compete in this final.

[@jakubhejny1628]

I undestand why karma points seemed like a good idea in theory but I would prefer to not see that again. It's enough that entire game is partly a popularity contest so I don't want to see the final turn into popularity contest as well

[@violetrosequast340]

I feel like it works for this season though because there was a range of voting. I feel like in any other season this wouldn't work but for this one it kinda does due to the eras concept.

[@egr3071]

I hope Jenny continues to do well. Sucks to see her losing her mind and not staying strong. Jordan is such a beast and I’m always rooting for him.

[@addysbrain7208]

The only thing with the karma points for me watching Bananas worried about it, is giving me way more joy than it probably should.

[@lekaSM]

Jenny is SO me. This final has been meh… swim, puzzle, swim. Karma points are terrible. This is not Friendship Island, it’s a competition. If you befriend people who suck or was in an era that sucked ass, you’ll win on points. This makes me think Rachel wins since Tory and Michele share the same friends and will have to share points. I hope I’m wrong because last average place day 1 to winning on the power of friendship is ABSURD.

[@SimonWakefieldUK]

Whats even worse about them is they come into play at the end. Atleast if they revealed them at the start everyone would have an idea on their handicap and then be able to strategies around this. They currently have no idea of how they actually did in the vote or the impact it has so they don't really know if they need to push 10% more. It would be like at the Olympics a women in the heptathalon not knowing how anyone else did in the first 6 events so not knowing what they need to do in comparison to their rivals in the final 800 metre run. What makes this event (and decathlon) interesting is that you have some who know they need to gain a certain gap over someone else to win and that other person knowing they need to stay within a certain gap so it makes the final event a tactical game of cat and mouse, if they just had to run with no data it wouldn't be as interesting and that seems to be what Karma points not having their purpose and the outcome known from the start is doing here, its ruining an element of tactical play that if they have to have karma points would atleast make it more enjoyable

[@charlesbourdua7547]

Thank you for another great recap!!! I was so looking forward to it and was not disappointed! My free viewing channel here in Montreal stopped making the show available since jan 1st 2025, literally at the final 😑... About the final: Hate this use of karma points. Am 100% rooting for Michele. For guys, I was team Kyland, but now am forced to give mad props to Jordan and root for him for dominating that much! And its kind of other people's fault for letting him get there 🤷

[@nimbasaboy2124]

I really don’t get why there aren’t covers for the puzzles. Like when Tori called out Michelle on the second checkpoint, like yeah I would do the same thing. It would be such an easy change

[@bailysbeads2057]

This final was tailor made for Jordan.

[@kenn1936]

We don't have this episode yet!!!! Watching on Prime - Paramount. Won't get this episode until 7 or 8th January.

[@finnhorizon3316]

Once again I'll say the karma points should have come into play the challenge before the final. I get where production is coming from with the friends thing, but friendship and alliances only get you to the finals. They can't win the finals for you. The challenge before the final should have had the winners go straight into the final and then have another competition for the rest to earn their spot in the final where the karma can positively or negatives affect your chances.

[@kris2030]

I think for S40, MTV should not have cheaped out. 400k is a lot of money, but we couldn't raise that prize a bit for first place for such a historic season?

[@williamlane1607]

You have to keep in mind that this season was really expensive on appearance fees. Veteran players make more per episode than newer players.

[@hansoloburger2322]

”cheaped out” that’s crazy peoples concept of money is gone

[@kris2030]

@@hansoloburger2322 on Dirty 30, the winners each took home 450k. But 10 seasons later it is 50k less. That is cheapening out on MTV's part.

[@hansoloburger2322]

@@kris2030 so you’re just ignoring the other guys comment?

[@willielloyd7422]

The karma points in my opinion was a bad twist because let say someone does good in a final then the karma points affects that person because they weren’t nice to people that could screw people who are doing good at finals

[@fatiieljaouhari2472]

Exactly what happened on all star 4.. I don't know who came up with this idea and thought it was a good twist.. but they must be fired !

[@kristauren8226]

I was so mad Cara didn’t make the Final, but I bet she glad now! She hates swimming. I don’t think anyone expected the final to consist of so much water. That’s new. I don’t like it. I think it’s just another way to favor certain people, like Jordan, “coughing “!😂 I have to agree that the karma points sound like they are going to be a popularity contest. But TJ warned everyone about how they treat everyone, SO……. I am actually excited to see how it ends. Actually praising Michelle, I think it’s time she gets a win! Derek too! Have to love the underdog!

[@tararain97]

I will start off by saying I'm still loving the footage of the Philippines for this final. The swimming would kill me too so I feel Kyland. I ROFL'd when Bananas commented on him looking like a can of tuna in the water. Jordan is just too good at these challenges, even though I be rooting for Derek. For the girlies I am rooting for Rachel, but I have to give Michele her dues with how well she's doing (surprisingly). Jenny is beasting the final so far, but I feel like she might quit next episode (based on the previews and how she was mentally doing by the night)?? Kyland pissing on the sign made me think of him differently... I thought he could have expressed in other ways how he was feeling about the final. Someone has to clear that sign with his peepee after the final :(

[@gvlgw]

I didn’t even know that we were getting a new episode this week

[@babyvegan432]

I think many of these reality shows rely on social or popularity in the process of crowning a winner. So I guess that’s why they’re adding in the karma votes. But yeah, it’s going to encourage less drama in future seasons because players will be afraid to make waves if they’re going to lose points in a final.

[@babyvegan432]

In example, Bananas was very entertaining this season. But his antics will bite him in the butt with those bad karma votes, and it will force him to make nice in future episodes.

[@ianmccathern5255]

I don't know about anyone else... but when they were signing that song. I first heard that song as a 8 year old watching "Jaws" at night down in the OBX. Next day trying to get in water and a little freaked out.

[@jdakiss0942]

Jenny did say she had just started her period too during the start of the final. Sorry but I’d be the same way.

[@dfitnessguru_OG]

Jenny is one of my favs but dear god! did she not know what she signed up for? Didnt she run a final before?

[@LeytonWalker-c5u]

She’s just frustrated yall taking it so serious

[@SimonWakefieldUK]

The thing is though people aren't all the same and some people deal with things different and respond to different to certain things. Look at something like Tennis, there are players who having a rant at the umpire or their support team helps them deal with situations and find that extra level they need while others if they did that have a negative reaction and perform worse. This could be how Jenny finds helps here deal with situations and find that extra level she needs. It could also be a tactic, if you annoy others and make them react to you then you are potentially disrupting them and as long as its not disrupting you more that's a perfectly fine tactic

[@shortycb2349]

@@LeytonWalker-c5u we are allowed to voice our opinion. Even just in general, she’s annoying.

[@desixox]

yall need to chill lmaoo lets see you do it

[@desixox]

@@shortycb2349 well. youre going to be very upset bc she wins! muah. happy new year

[@adamsteed8176]

Angel cake the song is from the movie Jaws.

[@mclovinlife4018]

It is? I thought it was just a made up song lol

[@adamsteed8176]

@@mclovinlife4018 Lol. The 3 men sing it at night on the boat just before the shark attacks.

[@KMC555]

Wondering if there is an eating checkpoint at some point, Jenny will not cope well with it if she freaks out over not having her coffee.

[@KMC555]

Maybe the karma points will be added as an additional checkpoint score for each player? In order of where they came in the karma vote. But if it’s literally the number of points they got in total added on then that’s harsh.

[@CarlosRios-vz9hr]

Jordan’s dream of a final 🙌🏽

[@mclovinlife4018]

Production thought “how can we absolutely guarantee Jordan will win this final? Swimming hundreds of meters every check point lol

[@ThatOneDude6009]

@@mclovinlife4018 Did production do that the other 4 times Jordan won? Easy to claim rigged when the competitor is quite literally good at everything.

[@babyvegan432]

@@mclovinlife4018Or they wanted to ensure Kyland’s loss because they know he’s not a strong swimmer. Or they want to make Michelle the new face of The Challenge because they know she’s good at swimming. Many possibilities.

[@jaredhart5243]

Or Wes. 🤣 Agreed though. Johnny and CT both getting old. They need to Jordan as the new torch bearer.

[@bigbuffguy9589]

@@mclovinlife4018 Jordan doesn't need help to win a final. He's won four other finals. As long as he isn't saddled with Aneesa as a partner, he's good. If anything, the final seems more designed for Michele's strengths.

[@RedisNotaFlavor]

hope Michele wins because that would mean Poster Theory is real.

[@tararain97]

pls

[@roundjuan]

let it go, red! you need to let it go! 😂

[@JohnPaulWisdom]

Josh will win a season before that poster theory comes true.🤣

[@Simpson0331]

I love the token idea because it gives us what we want a running scoreboard, I'm afraid the karma vote is a way production can manipulate the final outcome. Hope they give out tokens for karma vote to start the next morning and not wait until the very end

[@willielloyd7422]

I really wanted Rachel to win but she is doing terrible at the finals so I feel Michelle can win because she is a underdog and she has been to many eliminations

[@cindylepo6784]

I dont like the karma points directly affect the winner. They should have been applied at the challenge before the final to determine who ran the final. This isnt BB or Survivor.

[@AliFrankTheTank]

As a Bananas fan, Jordan crushing shit i just hope we get third. He was the entertainment this szn at least Kyland flopping is crazy

[@MirandaGray-d6k]

I actually love the karma points being added at the end. I think it is gonna be so epic watching them win only to lose because they are jerks. With the karma points derrick and Tori will win

[@AliFrankTheTank]

Lol tori gettin cooked rn

[@joelikesrealitycompshows3486]

When I found out how this final was going to play out I’m not surprised at all that Jordan is killing it and for the men it’s been pretty much what I expected. The woman, however I did not expect Jenny or Michelle to be doing as well as they are and Rachel to be doing as bad as she is, and I also think that it wasn’t fair for Tori and I’m not even a huge Tori fan but for her to have to do an elimination treading water for three hours only hours before starting a pretty hard final I think it’s pretty messed up. I think they should have had the final guys and girls elimination together before the location change.

[@b4danicab]

The song is from Jaws, which is a bit appropriate since the boat is a beat up old vessel.

[@jackieanderson9408]

I didn't like it. Too much water 💦😔😂😂😂

[@williamgeorge-thomas4487]

i wonder how much this part 1 will affect the part 2. Recently winning day 1 has been a 3-5 min head start going into the final portion or something miniscule like that. if anything its the physical and mental exhaustion

[@MsTheLounge]

Mtv Production keeps dropping the ball, karma points shouldn't call the game they needed to be a purge point after the over night. I feel like they dont really understand how to set the game which is why season after season keeps flopping.

[@glenndallas7171]

Using it for a purge at the midpoint of the final is a cool idea, good suggestion!

[@sleepynative9132]

Im just glad that Bananas isn't gonna win this final.

[@mv2537]

Can someone pls tell me what Jordan's swim routine cause I know triathlons involve a lot of swimming, but the man straight up looked like a merman. I do hope that there are some land segments next week to give some variety but man the final being mainly water is so cool. Reminds me of The Hunger Games II haha.

[@jalozr]

I love swimming, i do not love this much swimming for a final. Yes its unqiue, but it definitely favors. Kyland is very well round but as we found out can't swim. We need finals that have more ability of back and forth. Kyland got a good trip i guess 😞

[@haniffjunos6686]

Michele ate

[@Brandoncye]

This is jordans to take. All the swimming? It was made for Jordan to get another win. 😒😔😐

[@chantallaflamme6454]

I will NEVER forgive MTV Canada / CTV for locking the episodes and then transferring the ownership to a paid subscription tv provider ONE DAY before the final. I was LIVID. Needless to say I won't pay so that means I can no longer watch the show. Worst part is that according to rumors, all-star 5 would have been watchable in Canada (the other all-stars aren't).

[@charlesbourdua7547]

Ughhhh thank you, I thought I was alone!!! Woke up this morning soooo excited to watch on CTV!! Let me watch the first 17 episodes free, but not allowed the final, really?? 🤬

[@KMC555]

At a guess I would think they had some contract organised to end at the end of last year and a new one for this year, it sucks that you can’t watch it because the final was scheduled in 2025. I’d be fuming!!

[@joeysummers8830]

Im liking the final so far. Hope theres less swimming the next day. I dont mind the karma points I like that the social game is having a factor in the final score. I dont like that the karma score is ambiguous I hope when the final scores are tallied its clear how people got the karma points they got. Im nervous production is gonna inflate the points to impact who wins or not - as in they decide that first place in karma points is worth 100 points or something. I prefer more transparency in general.

[@davionwallace4033]

That damn karma will mess up this final

[@tyronemayers1943]

I love it I love it. This so what Ali want for the finals straight exhasustion

[@joembensman]

The song they were singing, "Show me the way to go home" was from the iconic scene in the movie Jaws in which the three star actors were singing on the Orca during a night of drinking. Funny they had them singing it, at least was nice it rang that bell. Jenny yeah shouldn't be surprised but that's the tired talking. To me the karma vote started out being nice but honestly, I feel an elimination should sort out differences. Especially for poor Corey who just missed out on the final. He knew by how TJ was describing what was coming up after his loss to Derek that he just missed the final, very little solace a karma vote would do for him. This is why its annoying to watch players like Jordan and especially Bananas coast to another final. No one, NO ONE takes a shot at them before the final. Yes Bananas had a couple of eliminations but the people he faced never had a shot of beating him. And for this cast never to send Jordan down was pretty bad. He had been taken down by Horacio on a recent season, the only place you'd have a shot at him is an elimination, now it seems too late. It is disappointing to see Kyland struggle, I hope he's able to turn it around but it just really seems like Jordan or Bananas will win now barring a major mistake. I'd rather see Jordan win, he's nowhere near the douche Bananas is. But yeah, I was disappointed in this season not having more of the best of the best from the 40 seasons cast to begin with, and the play this season has again been timid with not a lot of shot taking.

[@hansoloburger2322]

My strategy for the coins would’ve been to go hard the first round and count then just remember that number then not count the rest and just multiply that number by the amount of rounds especially if I was Jordan. (Maybe that’s what Jenny’s done she did say she’s not counting anymore)But I’m very competitive and I would like to try get it exactly right. But I can’t imagine how hard that would be

[@Ambrizzle33]

Cara was never winning this season. Lol

[@ambie920]

I bet when she found out about this she was less bummed about being eliminated 😛

[@michaelwhite4004]

​@@ambie920yeah Cara Maria made the right decision not being in this final.

[@LeytonWalker-c5u]

@@michaelwhite4004wasn’t her decision she lost because she’s not good in water💀

[@michaelwhite4004]

@LeytonWalker-c5u yeah that's especially the reason there.

[@desixox]

i love her, but i think the same, i think it was a great renewal for her tho!

[@certified_mandy]

I think it’s super duper dangerous how much they are making them swim without being able to properly rest and eat. I’m a swimmer and water polo player- i can be in water for hourssss- but not ocean water, that’s wayyyy different. I really hope they are on land or the boat for the rest of the finals. I’m also sad to see kyland being a stinker due to his lack of strong swimming. He had such a great season just to go out like this, oof.

[@TrainingTipsy]

I don't look at the karma points as a popularity contest, per se. If you think back to some of the interviews, some got higher scores due to respect and game play. We'll rounded players know how to be physical, smart and know how to finesse the game! I think it's brilliant and reminds people that being conniving and mean gets you nowhere!

[@RariShiesty]

Don’t even blame Jordan for yelling at Jenny but I don’t blame Jenny either like look at everything they been through in a day with no rest I’d be complaining too also I wouldn’t care if I was because if you is focused on me doing whatever then you is not focused on yourself

[@DOUBLEJOE850]

This is my take on how the karma votes should have been handled and you can disagree with me: I think these karma votes would be a lot better if the points could subtract their overall times in the final. Like, if someone gives you 5 points, that’s 5 minutes take off your overall time. If someone gives you 1 point, that’s one minute taking off.

[@alphabetsoup22]

Michele killin it love that for her (other than the barrel thing lol that was unfortunate). Seems like it'll be her and Jenny in the top 2 spots unless something changes. I haven't really liked Jenny this season, but if she keeps consistently being first or second every checkpoint I'll be ok with her winning cuz at that point she earned it. Not a fan of the way the karma votes factor in, I think it could've been fine if it just gave someone an advantage on a checkpoint or two, but as it is I think it holds a little too much weight. I'll probably keep the finishing order as the placements in my own head if they change lol. Side note- does anyone know what happened to Jenny's asthma? Is it a climate difference not triggering it as much? Are they just not showing it? I feel like during the season she was heaving on things close to or even less cardio-involved, but this whole final she's seemed totally fine.