Lets learn DBFZ! - Explanation of combo damage scaling

There is a lot at play whenever you do any given combo and this video goes into that. I also talk about hit stun decay and how that can effect your general combo length.
3:04 - effects of damage scaling and what causes it more than others
10:26 - hit stun decay
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[@rooflemonger]

Oft requested video so here ya go! Hopefully it explains your questions and if you got any further questions feel free to ask! Sorry for the odd crazy noise and that one video glitch that happened in the video they must have happened during the recording somehow and I had no idea until I started editing the video.

[@kccts44]

rooflemonger hey! Thank you for all the videos. Is there a good way to start a combo with a medium? Like baiting an attack? And can you make a teen gohan video? He's underrated and fun to play. I also hear he earns Super faster. Thx!

[@rooflemonger]

Well depends on the medium. As I mention in the video some characters like android 21 are much better suited at it simply because of longer normals. Generally people with longer buttons are more prone to start combos with mediums. As for teen gohan I unfortunately do not know much about him at the moment but I am learning more of the cast every day. As for the super gain, first I heard of it. Everyone should gain meter at the same rate.

[@kangruckus5939]

rooflemonger this answered alot of what I wanted to know thanks!

[@simonebosco71]

This is great content thank you. If you want an idea for the next video I think giving general advice about how balancing number of hits / hit stun would be great. I'm experimenting long combos and I'm finding that for long combos the scaling doesn not matter really in the end (it balances out). The problem is more often hitting the hit stun limit.

[@acewttimer]

Simone Bosco That’s the problem I find with comboing most often. Have you found anything out about metering out longer combos?

[@IchinShek]

Left out some stuff. Super Dash is also 20% Dragon Rush is 70% Sparking is 20% (the hit is 0 damage but I guess that counts as a move) Sparking adds no damage on Supers if you're past 4? 5? hits before you Sparking. (Not at my Desktop atm so I can't remember the exact number).

[@EJ-yp3dx]

Gotenks! He has the stronkest forward walk animation in the game!

[@tony205tw19]

EJ Grazette. LMFAO Yessss

[@xBaphometHx]

Tell that to Goku UI now.

[@starrkow]

@@xBaphometHx lol

[@Gruffaloo]

One notable exception to multi hit attacks being 1 hit for scaling purposes is Yamcha's wolf fang fist and its follow-up pack attack, it scales combos so heavily that it's almost never worth going for a full combo after landing it. Instead it's generally better to delay the follow up and go for some sort of mixup, even if all you're throwing out is the last hit of the WFF sequence the damage tradeoff is between 300 guaranteed damage and 1200 potential damage from a raw ender.

[@tempo9735]

Basically: Each hit after starter does 10% less damage. (100 > 90 > 80 >70 > 60 ... ) However: If your starter is L, your next attack does 20% less damage. (100 > 80 >70 > 60 > 50 ... ) If your starter is As, your next atack does 30% less damage. (100 > 70 > 60 > 50 >40 ... ) So, not only does the first attack after the starter lose damage, but natrally makes it so every single attack after is also weaker (making the enitre combo SIGNIFICANTLY weaker!)

[@charlesgray6385]

Great video as always man. Keep these coming hardcore bro they’re single-handedly improving my game more than a lot of stuff out there.

[@symeoncarter8144]

Wow great video , idk if you use goku blue but I'd love a tutorial on him , either way great video roof!

[@CantiBun]

Personally I prefer how Skullgirls handled it's combo scaling. There was a lot of info to keep in mind, but it made for some of the most interesting combos I've ever seen in a fighting game.

[@rooflemonger]

Honestly I only played skullgirls for a bit at the beginning. The whole concept of "solo being viable" being 100% wrong, and the infinite prevention system being fully broken drove me away from the game. I am sure things have changed though but that was my only time with it.

[@williehaller5840]

Hey bud I've watched this video so many times. I don't like doing manual combos cuz I drop em so often but this video made me go back to practice mode. Broly DBS combo training!

[@viceanterra3]

Dude I have been playing only MH pretty much and I've been keeping up with your vids so when I finally go in on this I hit the ground with a running start.

[@naheemsmith9738]

2:46 "Migatte no Gokui"

[@carl18844]

Jajajaj! Did you study medicine? The anatomy of a combo. Hi from Bogota, Colombia. Congrats by your channel

[@DontGetOld]

Carlos Casas Giacometto did you just Dox yourself? Please don’t tell people were you live and full name online

[@xBaphometHx]

@@DontGetOld I think the same. No one gives a shit where the user comes from in the comment section.

[@mr.purple250]

@@DontGetOld Bogota is a big city there could be multiple people with his name

[@sleepyrhythms6668]

Great break down. Could you do a video on timings with assists in combos? It seems to be different for certain situations. I struggle with it sometimes. Also I haven't really nailed the synchronization of pressing heavy in the air and the tag button at the same time or going from a special move into an assist re combo. Thanks.

[@rooflemonger]

Well the thing is about assists in combos is for every single assist, for every different character, the timing is just going to be different. You kinda just have to suck it up and learn it I don't know what I could really offer on that.

[@acewttimer]

Ok. Now what about decay in ToD’s? How would you go about handling Decay for those? There are just certain things involving timing I’m guessing along with inputs used to decrease stun decay but I can’t seem to figure it out. I follow certain combos to the letter and end up dropping from decay where another would do it perfectly. What are those small intricacies in late-combo performance that I’m missing?

[@acewttimer]

It’s especially strange. Is it because I do the combos too fast? Am I supposed to wait for some magical force to decrease stun whilst waiting an extra half a second to complete them? It’s so confusing.

[@mrmysterycake]

Watched the whole thing! Very informative! Just wish you told us about damage scaling when starting with a 2H.

[@jiroweiler5883]

Nice vid, i really struggle finding gaps in oponents block strings, like everything seems to be comboable and when it doesnt they have assist covering for them to make em safe

[@Vyomesh839]

"What is this crazy noise?" Monika. Just Monika

[@w8amint]

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[@rooflemonger]

ill settle for youtube can afford to buy milk every week :-0

[@Hybr1d996]

Once I noticed it I couldn’t stop looking at Goku’s shadow

[@abder200]

I CAN'T UNSEE IT EITHER NOW NOOOOOOOOOOO

[@indigo4740]

Oh my goodness he's bald

[@AlujaBING]

These vids are really cool, I hope you can do a assist combo extend video next.

[@rooflemonger]

I've gotten enough requests for something like that I will see what I can throw together maybe.

[@ZeAnnoyingApple]

Do you plan on making SSB combo videos in the future?

[@rooflemonger]

I will get around to as many characters as I can in time! As far as character combos go though nappa/vegeta/hit (although maybe not in that order) are probably on deck next.

[@marcelomunhozdarocha5358]

Hey man, Great channel. Please, do a video on how to make pressure after a combo when the enemy is getting up and also on how to properly counter attack. Tnx.

[@Osai1234]

i have never owned this game and love dragonball but recently have watched a lot of dbfz matches and high IQ plays, from one button masher to the next i really like this game, hope someday i can play it with some1

[@arkhitekt7733]

So, are medium-length combos with the most medium/strong inputs the best way to go, generally speaking?

[@rooflemonger]

Well long story short is, do what works! Try to optimize your damage and meter gain and however you get there is however you get there.

[@TheGracefulRogue]

I have such a bad habit I only using light jabs to start my advanced and feel that's my only normal. Which it's good when I'm close to my opponent. But because of this I always neglect my M or H at the right ranges if my opponent isn't close enough for a light. So I always feel like I got too get within jab space. I have no problem never using my M or H during blockstrings but never use them during neutral. Any tips to stop this?

[@rooflemonger]

Well if you are close to the enemy its honestly what you want. If you do mediums at close range they do jabs, they get the damage not you. Certain characters are much more suited to attacking at ranges of mediums (adult gohan and 21 for example). Certain characters the medium just isn't gonna be the right answer a lot of the time, you gotta assess who is on your team and for people with long range mediums work with them, otherwise don't worry too much about it.

[@TheGracefulRogue]

rooflemonger Ok I see what you mean Thank you.

[@chefandrew7803]

Another great video. i also have a question. are there a limit to wall bounces and lauchers,into super dashes? cause there are combos where you jump cancel aerial down heavy's in to a jumping light? thank You

[@rooflemonger]

There is generally speaking only 1 wallbounce per combo. If you get a particularly sassy setup going you could get multiple homing dashes (homing dash resets when your feet touch the ground) however.

[@D34DF0X17]

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[@michaelbecker7288]

In my experience wallbounces, launchers, and attacks that would cause sliding knockdown (not counting C assists) are limited.

[@b1akn3ss93]

2:48 Goku almost unlocking UI

[@christhian0512]

I love your videos, I wish i could play against you

[@rooflemonger]

When I stream I am more than glad to play anyone who asks!

[@christhian0512]

rooflemonger that'd be great! I play on pc, I'll keep an eye out for your next stream then

[@DOFFMEGA]

Please please please do a jump cancel video. I understand the concept it’s just when I’m in the air it’s not connecting. And when I try and do a down heavy in the air and follow up with a couple more hits then hard knockdown I just can’t get my character to follow through after up heavy. Hopefully I was clear enough

[@theluciandragon]

Slow down your inputs

[@rooflemonger]

Theres not much to make a video about friend, as the other gentleman posted if you are entering the input and its not coming out, you are simply entering it too fast. The old golden rule did motion, didn't come out, you did it too fast did motion, did come out but missed, you need to do it faster and find the happy ground inbetween.

[@DOFFMEGA]

Appreciate the advice

[@beeson7110]

What about 2L. That’s a light attack but I feel like it doesn’t scale as mush as a standing light attack.

[@rooflemonger]

It does the exact same scaling as far as I have tested.

[@PakuTheMagnificent]

Some characters 2L doesnt scale the same, adult gohans 2L doesn't scale (probably because it's not a low so you can't get any mixups off of it)

[@luffyhugebigfan]

Theres is smth i dont understand in the game and i couldnt find a source that explains why it happens. I’ll tell my problem through the example im facing now. With adult gohan if i press: 3H - jump cancel - L - M - 2H . I can follow up with a super dash and everything is fine and dandy. However if say i was cornering my opponent and press: 5H - 3H - jump cancel - L - M - 2H. I can not follow up with a super dash. Please help

[@_._8418]

i think you can with an assist superdash

[@StrykerGamingOfficial]

the 5H on it's own is a launcher. It has the same properties has a 2H so because you already launched them, you can't launch them with a 2H in the same combo

[@rooflemonger]

effectively anything that has the "smash" property you can only use once per combo. Since standing H launches to the wall, you can no longer use the air launcher.

[@JRodB]

What is the outro music on your videos? Been stuck in my head

[@rooflemonger]

true love we making - capcom vs snk2

[@JRodB]

rooflemonger Thanks!

[@ionrose1564]

Wondering about that 50000 max combo damage there... how?!?!

[@akumawest9021]

Ion Rose Android 16's self destruction hits for that amount. When you want to really really kill someone

[@devonberry5141]

I’m new to fighter games and I was wondering why they do damage scaling?

[@rooflemonger]

If they didn't have the damage scaling, every combo would effectively kill a character off the bat since everyone only has 10k health. You gotta input something like that so people can have their flashy combos, but also not turn this into a touch of death game(1 hit = dead).

[@devonberry5141]

rooflemonger Thanks, I didn’t really think about it in that aspect.

[@YOFACE9999]

Lol go watch street fighter 2 that is one of the few games that have no damage scaling games end real quick

[@BlueLightningSky]

Training mode is so trash in this game. Why is it so hard to display the scaling? Would have saved everyone the trouble of calculating percentages.

[@truth6565]

What’s your Xbox GT let’s train! *Goku Excited Voice*

[@shadic313]

Damage scaling is an inaccurate name, id say damage decay is more accurate and conveys the concept alot more from the name