Lets Talk About Forever Winter

[@The1stCheeseLord]

I will SAY. The EA wasnt supposed to come out this Soon, but people BEGGED and PLEADED for it to come out now. This game isnt even CLOSE to release, these facts must be kept in mind for now but all criticism will likely be listened to by the devs

[@davidryke113]

Yeah that's the point. The devs are actually using EA as it was intended. The community is supposed to complain so that they can make improvements to the game as it reaches release version.

[@hlppopotamus]

who actually begged though? game's been completely under the radar. They lied about this to create hype

[@davidryke113]

@@hlppopotamus No. Go look at the demo game play footage comments. It's littered with people asking.

[@haiangnguyentruong2968]

@@hlppopotamus Another backseat guy who didn't even bother checking before judging it.... (I will copy my previous comment for some clear fact then): If you want a non bias review, then check video 'The Forever Winter Early Access - What Happened?' then since he show both good, bad and the bug here (I heard they already balance the water part somewhat since it actually quite easy to get if you know what you doing though, to the point of 2 month of water storage, they still could changing that mechanic more to less 'feel bad' while balanced though. Not to mention some major bug problem he mention already hotfixed in just a day or two ! So they are fixing real quick) Finally the dev would have wait for 1 more year to polish it more but like other said, lot of player really begging for it so they basically release dev alpha build (rather than simple beta-early access). If you guy still not sure you want to buy it or not, the dev do have short video mention that they will have a free Demo near the end of this year there

[@NomadOfEndings]

@@hlppopotamus How to say "I actually am not in the loop on game news" without actually saying it lol

[@RazzleTheRed1]

I definitely don't agree with adding a Gears style cover system I think they mainly need to just add a option to swap shoulder so you aren't forced to completely get out of cover to see what's on the left side of you. But the point about not being able to see your backpack while looting is one I for some reason never even though of, but I 100% agree with. I think the biggest thing they need to fix is the terrain jank that causes you to often get stuck while moving and your bullets getting hit on objects when it doesn't look like they should. (Which most likely will get fixed, Early Access and all that)

[@MrBlackmesa17]

The water system is in exactly so people can give feedback on it. Also the stealth is kinda incredible? The jankiest thing is enemies sometimes spawn on you which is obviously not intended. The limited view feels intentional, you can't see everything and that increases tension. Also if you comedically walk in on a squad of soldiers you can just spin around and run away. You can hear almost every enemy in the game from a good distance as well so the "look listen" bit from the trailer is on point. Kinda reminds me of Resident Evil and how making it control better ruined the experience in a lot of ways.

[@itsbiggs2540]

Metal Gear Solid has incredible stealth, the stealth in this is mid at best but again it's not that it won't get better, I have faith that it will but lets not pretend it's that good right now.

[@theblackishboy1105]

Resident evil 4 remastered is arguably the best feeling resident evil game yet idk wym unless you are referring to 6? And even then id argue that game was good it just wasn't a good resident evil game. This game definitely needs some serious work on the ai and movement in general as well as third person aiming is just odd to say the least, i will say after playing more i am enjoying the game, the concept is great, but the execution is the problem. Make movement better, it doesn't have to be insanely complex or anything, add some basic cover systems when you're pressed against a wall or something, make sprinting less jarring and stiff, and add a prone to the game and i think movement would mostly be fine. Ai is weird because although its extremely dumb and kinda jank it almost works well, its dumb enough so that you can avoid them without it being overly frustrating, but they're jank enough to screw you over randomly too. I do like that their vision seems very frontal facing tho it really helps you to evade large groups by narrow sightlines and its extremely satisfying to pull off so i hope they keep that the same. I also learned as you play the enemies get stronger and react to how you play, like the bunker extract on ashen now has a mech guarding it and a patrol squad, there are cyborgs at the extract and sometimes they'll even have guns it makes stuff you used to abuse a lot harder to pull off after a while which mixes it up, i just hope it doesn't get unrealistic

[@MrBlackmesa17]

@@itsbiggs2540 MGS does have incredible stealth but if you think of why it has very little to do with the player and more of the environment and AI. It gives you what you need to avoid and exploit. MGSV is the exception but that's more action/stealth vs stealth/spooky. Being stealthy and moving through the environment is great currently, even if the character moves like a brick.

[@MrBlackmesa17]

@@theblackishboy1105 I was referring to RE1. I agree with prone, but not with cover system. Part of the stress of navigating a trench is that your vision is purposely obscured. Though the camera could use a bit of tweaking so its not up inside walls all the time. 100% the AI needs some time in the oven. The core of what's there is great but it can be super frustrating when a mech spawns on top of you or when two enemies won't fight they just spin around lol. Doing the "extract pilot" mission really made me see how jank the AI is when you're relying on them to do a thing

[@ptothelahey]

The spawns are odd. I can almost walk up to a set spot then the zombie things just insta spawn.

[@mikkelnpetersen]

I think the water system should simply be a "booster", the more water you have the better deals the merchant have and you get a health boost and such, but if it hits 0 it should *NOT* "kill you off", it should just be "no water = no boosters". Example, each day it says "to get the next boost you need XXX amount of water in the water tank" and "reduce the booster level if it isn't at least this amount". So you have 50 water, it says "have 100 water to get next, but if you dosen't have at least 70 you fall a boost level" so you need to at least briing home 20 water to maintain boost level and if you bring home at least 50 you raise in boost level, simple.

[@hereticwinter07]

I wish I could play this game. I bought a copy on steam and I don’t even have a gaming PC, I’m an Xbox player. On behalf of the Console community, I support this game and hope it comes to us one day, so please support this studio so that they may one day branch out and bring their game to us peasants some day.

[@beyondfantasy4972]

I want to express my viewpoint on this matter: if the water system in the game is modified so that I don't have to constantly engage in gameplay to maintain my progress, I would eagerly repurchase the game. However, if this isn't addressed, I don't envision myself repurchasing the game after having requested a refund. It's important to note that just because an indie gaming company claims to prioritize the best interests of their consumers, it doesn't necessarily mean they do so. In my opinion, removing the risk of water death when not actively playing the game is crucial. If this risk remains, it gives the impression that the company is using it as a tactic to incentivize players to purchase skins, resembling strategies often employed by mobile games. While I understand that skins are optional, the current setup of the water system, with the potential for death when not playing, appears to be a ploy to encourage players to buy skins. I welcome constructive discussion on this topic. I maintain a positive outlook for this game and truly hope that the developers follow through on the commitments they made in their Declaration of War Against EA. I am optimistic that this can be achieved effectively.

[@highdunker7740]

The community around this game (not the devs, just the community) is abysmally toxic. They are actively pushing away new players by crying at every piece of criticism.

[@geekseh]

they are just so so passionate and are being white knights they only want the best for the game...i can see it being annoying but its the same for every smaller EA title.

[@DySeith17]

Many new players act just like a bunch of whiny toddlers. They come to the forums and just ask the same very questions again and again or complain about features they know nothing about because they didn't play the game or made ANY research about it's actual (and maybe temporary) features. Just because the game got hype by their favorite streamer and they bought the game doesn't make a minimum of work from THEIR part necessary. So yeah we're not going to welcome them with open arms if the only thing they have to bring is negativity about irrelevant things. Because THEY are pushing people out with their sh*t, THE WATER IS NOT A PROBLEM !

[@aspec404]

Meh, use a suppressor (this is huge) and change up your play styles to figure out what works for you, that's how I've been enjoying it, and I could care less about water as my pack will hold 3 and you find water everywhere. I'm enjoying the scenery, music and watching the AI battle it out. 4k is sweet with this game's visuals. Good vidjo.

[@Laugho22]

I actually have been enjoying my time in this game despite the flaws. The atmosphere and concept is exceptionally cool. I really hope gameplay and character movement is near the top of their priority list. Janky animation and really stiff character control makes playing frustrating at times. I swear most of my deaths have been from trying to run away from an enemy, but I end up stuck on some random piece of the map. Adding stuff like more centralized POV and the ability to switch from shoulder to shoulder would be amazing, as currently hiding behind anything that doesn't give a right shoulder sightline feels terrible. Obviously there are larger issues that stand out, but its little flaws that kind of added up as I played that are most disappointing for me, and if I were a dev I would priorities player character gameplay over almost anything else. You could have the most beautiful looking, most amazing world setting, with lore and atmosphere, but if actually playing in that world feels bad, then imo the game is bad. I'm rooting for this game, they have a great foundation with this and serious potential if they play their cards right. I might make my own video discussing some of the issues in finer detail to hopefully give the devs some feedback.

[@katofmine]

All you need to understand about the gaming industry in 2024 is that developers can pay for hype. Cool concept art and trailers that show zero gameplay, tied together with a thousand youtubers making the same video about some cool upcoming indie game, are great indicators that you're being sold something. How have people not learned this by now? We all knew this was too good to be true. I don't care what you want to say about it being early access. Come back to this comment a year from now and tell me how wrong I was.

[@nolan6137]

I'm absolutely loving this game even in its somewhat broken release.

[@viperpit-k5j]

Debated buying this, the water system threw me off, i do not want to feel obligated to play or lose everything due to these restrictions. Maybe the devs can allow it to be toggled for the people who strangely are into bdsm and forced to play?

[@rkerver3]

This game should not have been released at all in its current state, early access or not. Even if the community pushes for it, it was definitely not a good experience. It had potential but my early in game experience has turned me away for good and I got my refund. Wait and release a good product and people will buy it.

[@necronomad8505]

My 2 cents is that the game has ways of making stealth immersive rather then streamlined. I’m sure that for some people the cover system and distraction mechanic is fun but it’s not realistic. A person isn’t gonna start heading a direction just because they heard a bottle being thrown, if it were a aggressive animal maybe but it’s not what humans do. Furthermore, I don’t really think it’s stealth conventionally. Most people see stealth as staying completely undetected but in this game the goal is rather to be unnoticed. If you see two sides starting to fight in a area you wanna pass then you should pass it at that moment cause they don’t care about you, they care about winning the war. My only gripe is how aggressive spawning enemies is in the current build, but in terms of improvement I would like to see alternative strategies towards Stealth, not a rework of the system but something like consumable surveillance item that pings enemies but also let’s some know your location or urban camouflage that can trick some enemies

[@newIrons]

It would make sense to me that the vendors move out when there isn’t enough water and return once it’s back.

[@guyonbench]

They put it out because people requested they put it out.

[@NcrXnbi]

If you are cooking chicken for a special event where a lot of people will be there. Will you serve it raw at an event? or actually wait for the chicken to get properly cooked before serving it at the event just so you don't get people sick? Think about it... The fault belongs to the manager that ordered the food late for the event or the cook that just wanted to end his shift early and didn't care. Not the fault of the people at the event that got hungry after being promised food on a specific date and time. I am tired of current day costumers accepting mediocrity. Back in my day we got finished products and didn't live on a prayer.

[@morknation]

I don’t think serving raw chicken is nearly comparable to releasing the game early to get feedback and work on making it better.

[@guyonbench]

@@NcrXnbi Except, they told you it was raw, and you chose to still eat it? That's on you.

[@NcrXnbi]

@@guyonbench There is a diference with RAW chicken and showing a cooked dish that CAN be improved! Suggest Adding spices, add tomatoes, add pasta, anything on top of the cook chicken. You MUST serve something the costumer can enjoy or at least find eatable. Not the bloody chicken RAW. This game was NOT ready for Early Access. The devs are at fault for releasing a product that is not even HALF cook. Early Access is not made for UNPLAYABLE products. But sure buddy, keep supporting mediocrity.

[@NcrXnbi]

@@morknation You serve a cooked chicken dish and ask people for opinions on the dish. Add tomato, add spices, add anything to it. Not release it RAW in an unplayable state. That RAW chicken bs is for beta testers. Early Access is not meant for unplayable products. You must show something that works. Not a half cooked chicken!

[@janovmi2]

going guns blazing is fun untill you get hunter kellers to spawn

[@blacktecno]

And if you played your cards right you'll be in a situation where you can farm them too xD for those sweet 11k worth components

[@froztbytes]

Me and my grenade launcher at the end of a corridor waiting for a hunter killer: 😮

[@dreamsremain.2i2]

it gets pretty fun if you can get through the first couple missions. assassination, sabotage, steal/retrieve, and good ol fetch quests. theres a lot if you put in the time, which its only been 3 days and i cant put it down lol.

[@lonewolf_ace_]

Despite the problems, I still enjoy and love the game ^^ I just hope it'll get really good soon

[@spbynum]

Anyone remember BG3 during early access? I was playing it in October 2020 and it was a nightmare of glitches. I'm willing to trust the process on this one.

[@thaddeussharp1]

I always appreciate you honest takes. I did however have a very different experience. Ya, stealth is sub-par, but haven't found it hard to play as designed yet. Only complaint, is the squads spawning on me at random times. Some runs I extract backpack full, water other large item, without firing a shot. Water issue, hasn't been a issue, and that's cool, but looking forward to see what happens to it in the future, along with all the other things they need to fix. The 2nd patch last night was a big step. 14hrs in and in now are the point for access to higher vendors and better guns, that I can engage in more combat intentionally. I'm with the 68% of positive reviews(steam), but I can understand the frustrations of the rest.

[@afaulkingham4130]

the water system is fine, i have survived 95% of my runs, get water every run, plus every quest rewards water. you can upgrade water storage to hold like 75 days of water. if you plan on leaving for more than 75 days just keep water in inventory, turn in on return. problem solved. so many people complaining about things they dont even understand. Most people that dont like this game haven't even put the effort in. yes the AI is clunky. gunplay an optimization needs work, player controller needs work. however, i have been loving it. like i said i survive almost all of my runs, i have gone so far with my first built weapon, only fired about 40 rounds in 60 raids. play smart, and patient. if they shoot you just run away, its that simple. you can upgrade your hideout to hold more water, you can upgrade your rig to carry 10 water at a time if you want lol. i just take 1 out every few raids or so and i am almost at 55 water. then there is 2 water tank expansions to give a 3 month water supply. try playing the game the way it was intended again. I got over a million credits, almost full water, and a huge stash of gear, max traders, and character prestige10 in 12 hrs. its clunky but not review bomb worthy.

[@tobyFOTS]

I'm fine so there is no problem... Try to think about something other than yourself it helps in critical thinking.

[@ulala901]

Thank fucking God there is someone here with brains. Amen to that comment. 100% agreed.

[@afaulkingham4130]

@@tobyFOTS i am just showing you an average old man can play this game without any progression issues. nothing selfish about it. maybe a different perspective for you bandwagon riders.

[@ulala901]

​@@tobyFOTSif you dont have 1 hour of time weekly to play the game and get more than a week worth of water - then you have bigger problems anyway and you shouldn't be playing video games in the first place... Peace out.

[@g.i.jovavich8564]

I have a hard time understanding the hate of the water mechanic. Im sure they will tweak it but the point of it being in early access is to test it. I imagine absolutely no one complaining about water death have experienced it in game as the game has only been out for 3 days and the first 2 tasks get you 5 days of water. As far as complaints about how its irl time not in game time, every game with wipes has an "irl timer" that counts down to when you lose everything. The Difference here is the player has control of that timer.

[@LaCreaturaSplungus]

I personally have been having an amazing time with the game, it's been so fun. The challenge is good and not all that hard if you're smart/know what to do or just have the skill to get out of a bad situation. I also like the water system, it seems like the opinions of us who like it don't matter, the vocal complainers are shouting out. Granted, it could use a bit of a tone down to get it somewhere in-between what we want and what... others want. It's a hardcore game. But yeah I've been absolutely loving it. Stealth is fun, gun-play is good enough, even got my friends in with me. If it's not for you it's not for you. I've been treating it as a proof of concept because as they themselves said, they released it because the community wanted to play it and try it in EA. So they slapped together an EA version to play, they told us and we should have known full well that this was going to be EXTREMELY early.

[@JustinMcGee-be8fu]

I think that there was some miscommunication from the devs, even though they have been very damn honest. I think a key thing they didn't point out is where exactly the game is in terms of their final vision for it. This is truly an early access game. People have gotten kinda jaded by that title and the public understanding of that term has been warped. Early Access has come to mean what a beta used to mean. That its gotten to the point where about 50% of what is intended is already completed so the game feels better. What we have here is an alpha, in every true sense of what that term is supposed to mean. If these guys are trying to build a skyscraper, what they have done so far is equivalent to them having just purchased the land the building is supposed to go on and they started digging out the ground where the foundation is going to be eventually. Its that early on. Things like the water system and most of the general game mechanics are very early on. Im 100% sure the water stuff WILL change, but what it feels like is a first draft of the system. It feels like someone said "might be neat if you had a real time timer associated with it" and they put it in just so they can see how it feels. The bones of what they have made here ARE solid, but the entire game still has a very long way to go. What we have now seems more like a proof of concept. A first draft outline. I personally don't regret my purchase of it, I can see that there is some really great potential. The game itself aesthetically is very nice, the world, the lore and the intent are all stellar and the devs themselves seem to be people who genuinely care about their game. Its refreshing to see. I look forward to seeing how it improves. I just think that the devs should of given us a little bit more context of where the game actually is in terms of its development. All it would of taken is a "This is going into early access, your purchase of this early access is really going to help us keep this thing rolling, but just keep in mind we feel like what you're going to get is only about 20% of what we have planned" I think slapping that on the early access release statement would of helped people understand what to expect and would of made the general reception alot more positive.

[@MnemonicHack]

If you don't like the water system, that's fine. You don't need to like it. Maybe it's not for you. There's a lot of us who want the water system to stay. Do our thoughts not matter?

[@hpntc_]

I think seeing this game evolve will be a fun ride

[@clarencezer]

I was hiding behind this dumpster inbetween these two openable doors in mech trenches and the ai would no fucking leave. I stood there for about 8mins before i decided to sprint out to extraction.... absolutely ridiculous. I also feel like the water system needs to be more lenient, don't think i can manage the short time for it and work irl.

[@linuxforpunks]

It's a bog-standard fps. Half Life with 1 health point. They won't be able to flesh out the ai and it will die off as people finish the EA content

[@agitatedtofu2511]

any all criticism for this game are valid, and i get frustration with all the bugs, jank, optimization, etc etc, all fair criticism, but it is important to realize just how early it is in development, like alpha pre alpha stage, many issues and all important especially voicing them to the devs for these things so they can be implemented or fixed

[@SolidSherman]

I found far more success using enemies engagements as cover to get in get what I need and get out, 90% of my runs I’m sprinting like a madman between engagements where the enemies don’t care about me. After I figured out a route through a map it became pretty reliable to predict where the enemies will engage each other and ironically where I could loot safely. Although the cyborgs need a huge nerf those fuckers are way too fast and strong and hit like a truck

[@vanDaalstad]

The current state of the game is fun enough for me to stick with it. Ill see everyone who wants to let it cook in a couple months, likely when we have more tools for stealth available or when the water system is reworked (this is already confirmed in the works)

[@davidponder1654]

If you want to fight you HAVE to use a supressor. (Its literally like 1k). I do agree that the water system is ass

[@jacobmagure9452]

Loving the game, we are getting scrap like boss'. Its a stralth game, it needs patience. Water is fine once you understand the game. Like im not even trying and i have 30 days alredy. Do agree that inventory shouldnt dissapear, but the rest of the water system makes sense.

[@jeke8413]

Good feedback. It seems people can't take honest criticism. The game reviews reflect some of the same critiques. I'll hit the buy button after they work out the technical issues. Update: After looking at a few more critical reviews, I just took the plunge. It's downloading right now. The pros and the cons seem almost evenly split, but I've yet to play a game like this and it's PVE. I'm very curious. Worse case scenario, I'll just get a refund and revisit it later.

[@geekseh]

Please respond to this comment when you got some time in. I'd love to hear what you think!

[@jeke8413]

@@geekseh Alright, bet. I'll be back in a few days with an honest opinion.

[@jeke8413]

​@@geekseh I believe the hotfix isn't optimized, seems you need 83gb just to update. I can't even get past the initial install. Each download keeps getting corrupt and steam keeps hanging when I try to restart my PC. This has never ever happened before. I know they worked hard on this game, so I won't leave a negative review. But I'm getting a refund, and I'll certainly revisit later once everything is resolved. Much luck to them.

[@vanDaalstad]

​@jeke8413 i'm not sure about what causes it but it seems to be an issue where the game folder becomes Read Only. I 'fixed' it by uninstalling and reinstalling (wasted an hour) but it will work after that.

[@jeke8413]

@@vanDaalstad Nice. I went for a repurchase, but this time I installed it on a drive with 220gb extra space, and it's fine now. In its current state, I think 160gb wasn't enough for the install and hotfix.

[@phonic4008]

This game has some serious potential which is why I haven't refunded it. I do hope they get rid of the water system because it feels way too punishing for an EA. I'm going to put in like 10-20 hours into it and then I'm going to take like a 3-4 month break and wait for a couple of major updates which is way past the water limit.

[@MrBlackmesa17]

@@phonic4008 I heard if you keep one water in your inventory you can slap it in when you come back and be fine.

[@coleacanth8944]

Grim Dark art is on-point, Grim Dark masochism is required to play

[@cabnis]

Listen I hope you take this to heart. But you need to take a page from the "before you buy" videos and find ways to talk about a product in a much more entertaining way. Honestly at one point I was like "this dude just sounds like he's just beaching and back pedaling" nobody likes listening to someone constantly complaining. Don't ever go to far from the line about a certain topic, offer some constructive criticisms or what you would like to see statements. Talk about the product and not just the bullet points. You just went after what you didn't like but didn't mention anything about how the game runs if there were any crashes, dont assume people know the game. Also, talk about what your expectations were from the start, and if it's in early access, talk about what the finish product would be ideal in your mind. Honestly all I got from this is the cover system if meh and nobody likes the water system,leaving me with more questions. Anyways hope this helps.

[@Stompound]

Nice summary Geeks! Thanks!

[@geekseh]

thank you for watching stomp

[@H56Nooc]

I refunded. Might come back when it is actually in a decent state. Tired of games coming out not finished. Not gonna play this and wait year for it to get better at the same time. There are other games more worth my time that are actually finished products and given so many people will die for this game rn seemingly then im not needed for them to iron out the many many many kinks there are...

[@hpntc_]

I full on agree I love it and I can see why ppl can hate it, I see the potential and I love what fundogstudio wants to do there.

[@MeoithTheSecond]

Not all game devs live at home with their mums and dads like alot of gamers seem to, the devs probably ran out money to the pay bills while they further develop the game, so had to go early access early. Many gamers don't seem to understand game devs need to make money to pay bills while they develop games, not every one has deep enough pockets to pay the wages for a team of developers and the other costs that occur during game development.

[@almightybogza]

How is any of this my problem ? I simply dont care about the devs.

[@oneeye1572]

I think this EA was a mistake.

[@3ZPaNH0L]

It looks phenomenal (it runs less than stellar) but it is severely lacking in stealth mechanics and basic QoL like a good inventory system, it shouldn't have been released this early, it doesn't feel like it needs polishing it feels like it needs structural reworks

[@haavikwood290]

I agree with your points. I really am looking forward to this game being good. Right now its like getting a bunch of ingredients for a really good dish but not the actual dish

[@hmmdoh7835]

Best early access game I have was GTFO 😂 This game kinda killed by it own water system ….

[@voidbeast7729]

i wanna buy this game but im woried about my pc spec i have a 3060 and amd ryzen 6000 series 32 g ram . can i play it ? i mean can i get at least 50 fps?

[@heitorlindo7866]

Less than 2 weeks or less than 2 hours for you to get a refund, you can try

[@NcrXnbi]

Just read the steam forums, they all say performance is HORRIBLE. even on 4090s.

[@nuxc924]

@@NcrXnbi not always. I am running it with an i7 12700, Radeon 6900XT and 32GB of RAM. I runs smooth on the highest settings with 75fps. But on my rig 165fps shouldn't be a problem. So yeah, it needs a lot of optimization, but the people who say its unplayable because of poor framerates on good pcs could have other problems with their rig or the game. All guys with whom i played, had an ok performance, even with 2070s. But I don't know why some PCs can handle it better and other worse, there doesn't seem to be a constant with this issue.

[@Cipher00007]

Love the premise of this game but game Devs need to learn to just say "NO YOU ARE GOING TO WAIT UNTILL ITS READY" rather than caving into the demands of Impatient people who want things there way all the time. Look at Helldivers 2, Armoured Core 6 and Black Myth Wukong, no early access and massively successful. Then on the other hand people end up disappointed with the current state of an early access game because well its just not finished with game systems being in a partial state or ending up getting a complete rework, and then savaged by pathetic Game Journalist KZbinrs that absolutely drag that game saying only negative things just to generate clicks. For example saying stuff like Before You Buy, implies that there's massive problems with the game and its not worth your time. I've seen games die off because of early access like Silica and to a lesser degree Starship Troopers Extermination because there was a huge update into the full release state of the game that wiped everyone's progress. Then you see stuff like Cyberpunk 2077 which while is incredible now was released in a pretty bad state because people couldnt wait for the game to be finished properly. Ultimately I think Early Access is a waste of time and actually detrimental to games when they fully release.

[@trexzp6210]

I wished i could play but my Laptop cant handel it

[@zomdiehunter115]

Im thankfully loveing this game me and my buddy are in fully we rather have the water system gone mainly because we come back to games month later hell id except losing access to shit until i get the water back but not the loss of my shit yeah water is easy to get but my number 1 rule i play games with is if it plays like a chore i will not play it.

[@seanmacha2668]

Games is AMAZING, at Prestige 16 having a blast!!!!!

[@emulation2369]

it looks like Left Alive

[@Smaigoly]

This is exactly what i want, slow. PLEASE, dont make it another fast paced competetive shooter.

[@CrusadingSnom]

the limited view is intentional, the water system is there for feedback to see if people like the idea, stealth is incredible and is the main point of the game even in the trailers? the tension is beyond amazing, the enemies can be heard from beyond far away so its easy to so it isnt overly difficult

[@zacharyhowell3962]

Nail on the head. I enjoy what's available and will continue to play but nothing said here was wrong or malicious. This was a fair take on a VERY early build. Fingers crossed it eventually lives up to the hype.

[@geekseh]

agreed and thanks man!

[@Morten_M]

max wather is 99 days

[@joshuolaseinde4540]

Problem is it needs more fleshing out but feedback want too bad and some pvp more pve elements. More base upgrades and even a point where you drop to 1 water minimum instead of complete loss losing all other base functions including contacts if you don’t play like a stasis however when you get back there it all comes alive again or some shit

[@errm9573]

Also, it on geam, dont b mad

[@errm9573]

The community requested an early build, the devs didnt wanna release it but I'm glad they did, I'm still having blast with it 😊

[@aaronjameshorne]

This game is pretty awesome water is not that bad to get. Play it and have fun. It’s not a big deal.

[@jaredh923]

You're able to get months of water quickly. Its a way to wipe your inventory if you stop playing to make it fresh when you come back

[@jongallivan7164]

geez... thats crazy... i got a life outside of video games, devs... you guys realize that right? most of us do. watching all these different videos makes this sound like a huge flop of a game besides its amazing environments.

[@y0da10k5]

Negatives, positives your points are legit youre a legend and i also bought this game and i hope they improve this game!

[@Herne0011]

1 - look at the comments. Plenty of people "get it". 2 - steam reviews give you an idea how "most people" feel about the game. 3 - water system is easy. They shower you in water. 4 - play with friends if you got any. Having a blast. See you in the wasteland Scavs :).

[@LiveBaitz]

I find it weird ofcourse there are mechanics i dont like but the whole hide from everything and dont interact with this metal asf world you play in makes me kinda sad tbh

[@EmsRocker2904]

Thanks for the warning, I hate too early early access games. I think I let this game in my wishlist for a year.

[@beekey9501]

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[@mistermelancholy7698]

I love it

[@joshuolaseinde4540]

I haven’t played in over a week and it I’ll take me 14 minutes to get double of hat I’ve lost back

[@ulala901]

Shooting feels just perfectly fine if you take into consideration that this game is about CIVILIANS with MILITARY GRADE WEAPONS? (it was mentioned multiple times in videos from devs) You people (clueless youtubers spreading misunderstanding) should go firing range and start running and gunning shit, wondering how clunky you would look like, lmao. Whenever someone tries to put their vision of something into work (pretty accurately too) there comes all-mighty youtubers reviewing everything like they are all-knowing giving a false advertisement. I can admit to flaws when I see them - for example: 1. inventory system while looting - WE NEED IT 100% 2. ability to change camera to left shoulder 3. being able to strafe at least slightly while running ...and many more for now.... But I won't admit to water mechanic being stupid or unnecessary - you can go for literally 5 minute run and get 3 DAYs of water... EVERY.... RUN.... You can hold 55 days of water + on top of that upgrade this to another month+ so that's nearly 3 months of water in main storage.... NOT TO MENTION UNLIMITED AMOUNTS OF WATER YOU CAN STORE IN GLOBAL STASH?????? 🤣 Whenever I see "water mechanic" argument as a "con" or "negative" side of the game, makes me laugh at the person who reviews it, as it shows lack of knowledge and time spent in game. And if you "HAVE TO RUN AND GUN" to have "MEH" time in the game - that means this game is not for you to begin with. Im wondering what would Splinter Cell game review look like from you... That's all from me. Time to stop clueless youtubers from review bombing shit they have no clue about. Go back to Tarkov if you want to "run and gun" cause this ain't it.

[@geekseh]

hey thanks for watching my video. When people argue the water mechanic is fine I right away know where they stand....cause right now the machanic shouldnt be in the game. Its currently not adding anything to it. You can still implement it for some things but until it means more it just a "stick" and not a "carrot" it dosnt make sense. You listed 3 flaws while saying "and many more" yet you think im a clueless youtuber whos spreading false info? So many people arent having fun and i believe my video was fair on the game. I think just because you are in love with the game dosnt make other peoples opinions invalid or "They just dont get it". Im pumped you like this game i truly wish i did but atm its got a longggg way to go.

[@theblackishboy1105]

This argument kinda sucks because a normal person with badic training on how to use a gun and common sense will very quickly learn how to shoot well, i think a lot of people who know nothing about guns think its a lot more difficult than it actually is, guns replaced bows even though they did much less damage at the time because they were far easier to use it's not that hard so this argument is nonsensical in the first place But even if it wasn't nobody cares about lore and crap, if you shoot a gun it should feel good and generally hit where you are aiming, if it doesn't people are going to get upset, not to mention i haven't had issues with aiming as much as the gunplay just doesn't feel good People have to stop brown nosing these game devs man, yes they're cool guys, yes the game is fun for a bit and isn't complete garbage, but it has A LOT of very serious issues, almost all the controls are dated and clunky as hell, the ai is inconsistent, the game is all about collecting guns and parts you almost never get to use at least seemingly at the start, the water mechanic pissed a lot of people off, many unexplained mechanics like hunter killers, and so on

[@ulala901]

@@theblackishboy1105 just your remark about guns at the beginning showed me you know little to nothing about guns. Stopped reading.

[@theblackishboy1105]

@@ulala901 if you say so lol take care ig

[@ulala901]

@@geekseh play this game some more, maybe about 12h like I did, then we can come back to conversation, cuz for now u talking out of your ass. After initial 6 or so quests im already geared enough and knowledgeable to "run and gun" provided i have enough meds and knowledge where to go and how to act. (i survive about 95% of my raids) on my second day i am already maxed on water (thats also needed for upgrades or keeping npcs in your base) and trader rep just playing around and testing stuff. There are more than 3 issues i mentioned, but i dont have time to mention more like janky physics of heavy npcs or closeby npc spawns, etc. There are more, but issues you provided were simply trivial and clearly not well thought through. Almost seemed like copy-pasta from any other generic hater who just tries to push out content for views, tell me im wrong ;)

[@erture1]

I am having a blast in this game Can`t imagine how great it will be once finished

[@geekseh]

Super pumped you are man!

[@josephflores2293]

yea this guy is just spoiled on call of duty type games and wants it to be easy.

[@tommycastle3772]

its not for casual people that play 1-2 hours a day with a working schedule.

[@fresh21627]

Thanks Geek!

[@geekseh]

i got you.

[@DeaD1te]

good points, well put across :)

[@geekseh]

thanks man!

[@scrollinup7945]

Crazy when people don't know how to play a game or just aren't good at video games and blame the game developers like they made you bad at gaming.

[@TheNPColiseum]

I love your videos, and I'm looking forward to you playing DMZ 2.0 :) early access, is just man I don't like it.

[@geekseh]

you mean delta force right? cause i think thatll be DMZ 2.0

[@TheNPColiseum]

@@geekseh No, I've watched about every extraction shooter I can think of, and DMZ well as a great man I know of says often "hits right"

[@IamTheJigsaw]

I totally agree with you, but i just couldn´t get back. I was even going to make a review of it but its so bad so senseless that I gave up after 2 hours....and its disrespectful how they create such a immersive and beautiful game and then just....make it unplayable, stressing and not fun at all.....even the gunplay is good.

[@NatePorzio]

Comment for the algo

[@austinstigers4420]

All this negative feedback from a content creator, but the player base wanted the game out now even know it wasn't fully ready modern gaders have destroyed the industry with the fact they want everything as easy as possible. Lets not fskyet about any Bethesda game and all the bugs they have there were no false promises with this the devs said what state it was in before releasing it but people either cant read or just dont listen the water mechanic isnt bad at all and before the argument of i have a life comes up its easy to get with just playing for and hour at minimum but content creators get paid to say whatever yall do reguardless and yall help bring all the problems and woke garbage into modern gaming

[@scrollinup7945]

This game wasn't made for dudes with nose rings.