Lets Talk about it, My thoughts on DevaCurl

Let talk about it. There have been many people speaking up about issues they are having when they use DevaCurl products exclusively. I have been asked to share my thoughts about it. I love you guys! I don't every want you to feel panic in regards to you hair.
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[@kimmywimmy7305]

Why am I so fascinated with these Devacurl stories? My straight hair doesn’t need any of these products, but I feel the pain anyway! Great video, I appreciate your thoughts on the topic.

[@kite6864]

I think because it's possible this can happen with any hair products not just curly hair prodcuts

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[@chelsey8737]

Saaaame! I have super straight hair so none of this matters to me directly but its so interesting. It's so interesting how some people have super severe problems and some people just have a little bit. And it's also interesting to hear everyone's theories about it because obviously devacurl won't say anything.

[@xochiquetzal9093]

same, didn't even know curly hair KZbin existed lol

[@vanessaebony529]

Also I wanted to point out, Lorraine Massey started Devacurl in 1995, and she was pushed out of the company in 2012/2013 cause Ares management wanted to put out more lines and products and change the ingredients.

[@saltwatertaffy7020]

Ironic that the the company that fought against Ms. Massey is named after the Greek god of war. 👎💀👿

[@lezalush]

She sold it and made a good buck so she wasn't pushed out.....

[@saltwatertaffy7020]

@@lezalush , In a way she was, there was a lot of in fighting between LM and her two partners, so she sold her portion to them.

[@jessieborrell1856]

I think part of the problem for some people was that the damage occurred so slowly over a period of time, it was difficult to realize it was happening until it was too late and they didn't have an immediate adverse reaction. Myself, personally, I used Deva for roughly a month, trying out the DeLite line and then the Build Up Buster and I experienced itching and burning, particularly with Build Up Buster. It made my skin turn bright red. Yikes! Deva released a statement yesterday but it didn't really feel like it was enough and I really hope they get to the bottom of the issue. I'm in the Facebook group for fellow people who've had bad experiences with DC and some of the pictures posted from people's experience are absolutely heartwrenching

[@COuellet2]

Same happened to me with Build Up Buster just last month. I've only used it 2 - 3 times and I experienced dry, itchy, red/sore scalp. I had a number of Deva Curl products that I used once or twice and they made my hair extremely dry, dull and frizzy. I just threw them all the products out this past weekend but I'm going to retrieve them from the trash and see if I can get my money refunded from Deva Curl directly. Thankfully, my scalp issues have resolved with Briogeo Scalp Revival Tea Tree Oil, clarifying wash and Briogeo Don't Despair Hair Repair Conditioner with once a week.

[@jessieborrell1856]

@@COuellet2 so sorry to hear you had the same experience :(

[@ShellieFoust]

I felt like the Build-Up-Buster made my hair feel especially dry. I quit using it and then ultimately the rest of the DevaCurl products.

[@savannahs8914]

The thing that worries me anout deva is that it's not about how long people used them. You have 6 year users and 6 month users showing damage

[@jessieborrell1856]

@@savannahs8914 Exactly! In Stephanie Mero's video yesterday, she said she's had clients who only used some of the DC products ONCE and still had damage to their hair. Yikes

[@RylieCollins]

When I started my curly hair journey I first started with devacurl. I’d done a lot of research and watched a ton of videos. So I thought hey that’ll help my insanely frizzy hair. At first my hair looked really really good. It was so shiny and curly and voluminous. But after two months of use I had dandruff galore and started noticing large amounts of my hair falling out. I thought that since I was doing the curly girl method and barely brushing my hair it was completely normal. Spoiler...it’s not. I didn’t even think it was the products until I saw a few posts popping up about devacurl causing hair loss. I immediately stopped and went out and bought some nice cheapish products and my hair is honestly DAMAGED from devacurl. It’s dry and doesn’t absorb moisture the same anymore. I have bald spots on the sides of my head and uptop. I’m furious that I trusted a brand because they were expensive. I’m even more pissed that devacurl won’t even acknowledge what they’re doing to people.

[@skoozi2]

off topic. your hair is so soft and perfect looking in this state

[@sentient.ball.of.stardust]

It's gorgeous! So shiny and healthy!

[@joliemoyes5423]

Would you please look into the Curly World hair line. It’s Lorraine Massey’s new hair line and do a video?

[@AngelaVEdwards]

I just have to say that I think you have some of the prettiest "type" of curly hair. Your hair is silky, soft, and shiny...and still curly! That's amazing and that doesn't happen very often. It's gorgeous.

[@GardenMinistry.]

This is my FAVORITE video on this topic! Very positive, very light, and you give us a healing option at the end. No bashing, just an honest opinion and a blessing to leave behind any products that we notice are causing us harm. You are a gem!!!

[@ItsMilgurt]

I tried monat for about 3 weeks before I wound up bawling in my shower as I pulled out clumps of hair. I have a lot of hair & I lose quite a bit of hair but this was BEYOND. I threw it out immediately that day. So when I saw people were reporting the same thing happening with DevaCurl I was like NOPE not even trying it. I'm just starting my cgm journey & I'm so glad I found your channel. Thanks for all the videos, very helpful as we have the same hair type (dense, fine, high porosity). 💓

[@rockinsong1358]

Your hair looks so thick and amazing😍 I love the look of it!

[@joannogas4391]

Good job at addressing a sensitive and volatile issue. I'm sure you spent quite a bit of time planning it. Sorry your sister got caught up in it.

[@ginah8023]

I spent so much money on deva curl when i first started the curly girl method about 6 years ago. I Always found the products to be heavy and greasy, yet i continued. Then the drain in my bathtub was terribly clogged , called the plumber. He said there was a hard white wax very thick in my pipes. I knew it was that devacurl. Had to have the pipes replaced. Never again i said. And yes i was losing a lot of hair and the hair was very dry. Havent used it in two years and im all good. Smell wise, i thought it smelled bad.

[@kathleen_ryan]

I stopped using Devacurl this past Summer after having used it for 5+ because i was having scalp issues, but I thought it was just that I was getting older and drier, and had previously bleached my hair now I cant help but think it was the products.

[@audrey7774]

Same story for me. Used it intermittently for over 10 years and most recently thought it was getting straighter because of something else (hormones, too much sun, etc), and thought the scalp issues must have been from my clarifying washes or a medical condition. Crazy it was the products all along. I feel betrayed.

[@heatherjones1661]

I stopped using DevaCurl when I realized L.A. Looks gel did the same thing for a tiny fraction of the cost.

[@ErinMott09]

That’s what I’m sayin! L.A. Looks extreme sport gel and eco styler are some of the best gels I’ve used, far surpassing devacurl quality, and are only 2 or 3 bucks!

[@zombii3kill3r]

I've always been too broke for anything divacurl I asked for some for christmas. I didnt get anything But with all this controversy I'm kind of glad I stayed away. Thanks for sharing❤❤

[@amandavandaalen3754]

I appreciate your honesty with these products in your experience!! I just ordered myself the samples of MopTop and Jessicurl!!! So excited to try them!

[@vanessaebony529]

Hi Courtney, recently some big influencers have also had issues with devacurl. Spisha hair got so bad she has cut herself from her loved ones. I was never hard core for devacurl I only used 4 things from them cause when i embraced my curls i was in college and couldn't afford to spend $400 on hair products. Curly hair community has so many more options now to the point where you don't have to buy devacurl. Most who suffered the most damage were the ones who use it every washday like HiF3licia, Spisha, CurlNinja etc. If you're a product junkie and try different products and your devacurl is old you wouldn't have noticed. It's mostly the batches that came out in 2019 that started everything. Most likely deva changed the ingredients supplier, my friend who works with a well known cosmetics brand said that companies when they are bought swap suppliers to get a profit but another possibility was something went bad during manufacturing. So either deva changed suppliers who gives them cheap ingredients or there are bad batches during the manufacturing and to save production costs still bottled and sold them. But deva is giving everyone the same copied statements.

[@peachtea1890]

I only used dc stylers and could not understand why my hair was so frizzy and dull after all this work and effort. I thought it was dew points and humectants but nope. It was devacurl. I'm grateful I never used the cleaners. After a clarifying wash and deep condition and no devacurl stylers my hair is the least frizzy it's ever been! I hope everyone experiments and doesnt use their products to see it their hair looks better. I'm just blown away by this and feel horrible for all the women having way worse issues. Great video!❤

[@hayleyolson4050]

Totally with you on the "feeling guilty" when I don't want to finish a product...if it's low poo or conditioner, then I make sure it doesn't go to waste by using it to shave my legs. Stylers I just look for a friend or family member who might get use out of them.

[@noemie3433]

Yup! I have SB too (not caused by Deva), and Deva gave me a flare-up of SB within 2 uses when I didn't have one for YEARS, so something is wrong in there and sensitive people know VERY quickly.

[@emmaociee]

I totally relate to this. I have such a hard time because I use products and assume I *did* something wrong or didn't use it *right*....and sometimes, the product is just not good!! With that in mind, the only DevaCurl product I use is their gel. Could you do a video of like Top 5 gels? Maybe a series of top 5s?: masks, gels, leave-in, creams, shampoos, etc?? I'd LOVE that!

[@barbaraceli4782]

Oh man. I bought this for my daughter for Christmas, she used it exclusively for 6 weeks and I literally cried when I saw her hair today. It is so extremely damaged, I can't even describe how severe the damage is. I did not even know about this. I started researching as soon as I sat and talked to my daughter and came across all these videos and got all this information but prior to this and prior to today I knew nothing. Does anyone have any recommendations on how to begin healing

[@dizzy1967]

Hi Barbara Celi Leon, I’m sorry your daughters hair is damaged. There’s a Facebook page called Hair Damage and Hair Loss from Deva Curl. Lots of people in the same position as your daughter. You might get help there. Also please don’t throw the product away. The FB page explains why it might be a good idea to keep it. Sending your daughter Positive Energy.

[@lindenpeters2601]

Switch to Shea Moisture products! They have a couple different lines for damaged hair. And check out Ayesha Malik's video on oil treatments, and see about getting the oils she uses! They can help with hair growth. But before using those, do a wash with a true sulfate shampoo (like a $2 bottle of Suave clarifying shampoo), to completely remove all previous product from the hair. Follow up with a deep condition or hot coconut oil treatment. No heat styling until her hair is recovered. And watch this channel, RealLife+CurlyGirl, Ayesha Malik, and India Batson for Curly Girl Method routines to try out!

[@deannedennis]

Switch to a clean high quality brand such as innersense or curlsmith etc. If she’s okay with cutting some of the length off, that will definitely help to get rid of some of the damaged hair, and it will help the remaining hair to bounce up. I would also recommend repairing/protein treatments or even olaplex to try to fix the damage - however, if the hair is extremely damaged then these may not appear to do anything, but attempting to repair is worth a shot. To prevent further damage, make sure she sleeps with either a satin/silk bonnet, pillowcase or scarf and avoid manipulation to the hair and scalp I.e don’t wash too often, avoid tight braids and tight updos etc. I hope that was helpful!

[@RylieCollins]

The curls blueberry bliss line is really reparative for curly hair and it follows the CGM to a T. Their hair mask is really really good. If she has any bald or thinning spots (I got them too from devacurl) I recommend black castor oil. You apply it the night before a wash day and massage it into the scalp. Just wrap up her head and she’ll start seeing a difference.

[@Aka_ninni]

I watched Jadeikens “Why I stopped using Devacurl” video and she mentioned that she’s now using the Giovanni NUTRAFIX Hair Mask to help repair her hair :)

[@peachtea3912]

Wow, I'm so glad I couldn't ever afford DevaCurl! I was tempted to order it and even pay the customs charges, and almost bought it when I was in the US briefly. I'm prone to eczema so chances are I'd have had the same reaction that so many people seem to have. It sounds weirdly similar to that MLM haircare brand!

[@jenni8032]

Thank you for your honest opinion. I could never afford devacurl so I'm glad I didn't invest. I recently discovered a clean brand at Target called Raw Sugar. I bought their hair masque for curly hair and I love it! It has transformed my curls in less than a week. I would love to see some reviews on their products.

[@ToniasBusy]

You’re simply amazing!! Curly girls needed to hear this, esp those who are so disappointed with Deva 😌. Love it 🙏🏽

[@marygoyne632]

I have a similar problem with scents and fragrance. It’s an asthma trigger for me. But DevaCurl I cant stand the smell. So I didn’t use it. Thank you for the video

[@michellepantoja-honn4287]

I appreciate your honesty. I love that you can talk about this or any subject without taking a negative attitude. I love the vibe of your channel. 💓

[@erinfloyd5957]

You are such a blessing to me. You have NO idea how much time I have spent trying to figure what was causing my hair loss, sudden unexplainable frizz, loss of curl and scalp issues....which is how I found and subscribed to your channel. A few days ago I realized it was my Deva Curl products...I use it exclusively...for a year, since I went curly again. So what have I spent the past 2 days trying to figure out?! WHAT DO I DO WITH MY HAIR NOW?!?! You just told me. I am so grateful! You suggested what to use and how to use it. Something so ridiculously simple yet words I need to hear. Thank you so much for making this video, I'm sure it wasnt comfortable.

[@TheClairelikescats]

Love this! Also, I love Seventh Generation free and clear laundry detergent! Great for my sensitive skin but actually cleans

[@kaylaollivierre6952]

Glad I never wasted my money on them. I probably would've been allergic anyways. I seem to have allergic reactions to a lot of natural hair products. I know for sure I'm allergic to anything that has Shea butter and that it makes my scalp extremely sore and inflamed. Always listen to your skin and hair!

[@tracynagy921]

Thanks - I use a few DevaCurl products without issues. Helpful to hear that other products have had negative reactions on some - use what works, dump the rest!

[@dianeryan3147]

Thanks for your honesty. I, too, had stinging scalp issues, stopped it on my own, everyone’s chemistry is different

[@meldan5]

I started my curly girl journey in October using DC and saw changes in my hair by Christmas, more frizz and less curl definition. I went to my hairdresser yesterday to get a cut and talk to her about what’s going on with DC. She clarified my hair twice yesterday and there’s still a lot of build up, more then she’s ever seen. After cutting off 4” I need to keep clarifying often but she thinks it’ll take at least 6 months to get my hair back to healthy.

[@sydoc227]

Thank you for this. I tried deva curl in December because I’m trying desperately to figure out what to do with my hair. I only used them for like a week because they made my hair SO DRY and frizzy. Nothing good at all. Much less curl than I had before. Stopped using them immediately. Glad I’m not the only one.

[@samanthadeal8975]

Sydney Jenkins I had the same issue! Because of that I stopped deva curl before I even started! Talk about a blessing in disguise

[@itskindyl]

Check out Innersense.

[@PahlaB]

I so appreciate you keeping it positive - there's plenty of negativity in the world! I tried DevaCurl many years ago and also didn't love the smell.

[@SwavyCurlyCourtney]

You are always so kind! Thank you Pahla! 😊

[@Naboz11]

Courtney, I just want to say that my hair is curlier than yours I’m right around a 3a/3b pattern but your advice is universal, it has helped me so much with a completely different pattern based on the upside down styling and the brushing of the back of the head and the front of the head, very logical and well thought out. Keep doing what you’re doing you’re an inspo. 🖤

[@imacurlygirl]

I am a new subscriber and have been binge-watching all of your videos!! I am a curly girl since the 1980's!!! When Deva Curl came out, I started using their products. I had massive hair loss with it. My husband would yell at me and wanted to know why there was always so much hair in the bottom of the shower! After about 6 months, I stopped using it and was shocked how my hair stopped falling out. I thought it was just me!!! I also hated the smell, felt as if my hair was dry, itchy, etc. When all of these videos started coming out, I couldn't believe that it wasn't just me!!!! I am so happy that there are so many other options to use!!! Love all of your videos - I am enjoying each and every one of them!!! By the way, I am 62 years old - I mean YOUNG!!! LOL!!

[@wendycrew1177]

Thanks for your candid video. Early on you said Deva Curl did not work for you and that resonated with me because their products really didn't work for my hair as well as others and I remember thinking, I am glad to know that I am not the only one. I did use them occasionally over the last year but not often. I am so glad there are many curly girl products that we can try to see what works best for our hair. Keep the videos coming. They are very helpful!

[@daftoptimist]

I stopped using DevaCurl exclusively about a year ago, for the sake of my budget. The only DC product I own is a bottle of ArcAngel I got for Christmas. I use it on special occasions as my 3rd gel in a 321 application. Absolutely no adverse reactions or negative effects for me, now or back then. And yet with all this buzz I’m nervous to keep using it. I’m gonna keep a sharp eye on my hair/scalp next time. Thanks for your balanced perspective, Courtney!

[@alliemartin8497]

I’ve been watching your videos for a while now and slowly easing into the curly girl method. Last night I tried a couple new steps of the curly girl method and I have never been more impressed with my hair! I honestly didn’t even know it could look this way naturally! Love your videos!

[@kChandler10]

I used DC exclusively from the beginning of styling curly. My salon used it and sold it to me. While using DC, I always had issues with my hair. Limp, frizzy, stringy, dry. I thought the problem was my hair. Compared to my current methods and products, I rarely had a good wash day with Deva Curl and the second day was worse. My stylist tried to help and used many different DC products to experiment. Now I know the glycerine was a big part of the frizz problem. I always had scalp itching and assumed it was from the strong fragrance. I hated the fragrance. But I continued to use it, because I did not realize there were many other curly product options. At some point, an extremely itchy, red, flaky, seeping, scabby, wound-like area developed on my scalp. I finally got a prescription lotion, but the problem persisted. After moving to south Florida last year, I was having constant styling failures. And I discovered DC increased their already high prices! I found the curly styling KZbin videos (found you first, Courtney) and began learning how to solve all the problems. I stopped using all DC products. I now use several of the products you have tested and recommended. My scalp issues are completely resolved! And my hair looks so much better in every way. I understand and agree with everything you mentioned in your explanation of your DC experience. Thank you for talking about this subject. I am sure the comments on this video will show that the DC problems are extensive. DC needs to stop, admit the truth, and remove the harmful ingredients. Jessie Curl cleansing and conditioning is wonderful for me. And Giovanni styling is perfect for Florida dew points. 👍🙂

[@River2500]

Fragrance-sensitive girls unite! Some are just plain migraine-inducing! I figured I'd try products that were less expensive before trying DC. I got one of their gels last summer, but it left mine and my daughter's hair very dry. A month or so later, CurlNinja reported her problem, and I had much less of a problem throwing the bottle in the trash. My cashy money flashed before my eyes though

[@angelag669]

Courtney, so far you have had the best Devacurl response video I have seen since all this controversy started. Yours was the most positive and non-judgmental statement put out so far. I personally have had no problems with using Devacurl and get great washdays with it. However, as I have always said, there are so many good products on the market, there is no reason to use a product you don't like or one that gives you problems. I am a product junkie so I will change what I am using based on the outfit I plan to wear that day. I like many products at this point and dislike a few as well.

[@lw3764]

SO GLAD I found this video today. This is going to save me so much trouble. Just yesterday I started noticing slight itchiness in my scalp, but didn't know for sure what it could be because I've been experimenting with a few different products this week. I just started using Devacurl shampoo and conditioner this week. It's nice to be able to eliminate a brand since I'm just starting out with curly hair products and I'm doing a lot of experimenting.

[@laurenbaker3198]

❤️ I would love to hear you speak/try Shea Moisture products. Thanks!

[@asuari7305]

Lauren Baker same! I use that line because you can find it anywhere even in the dollar store

[@alenacade8524]

Also, I'd be interested in a naturals video, even if it's outside of hair products :) you mentioned your laundry detergent, and that sparked my interest!

[@ironrose01]

[@monas.6839]

Bridget Ann Same here with the sea salt sprays. The problem for me is that most of them contain magnesium which is supposed to give beachy waves but it dries my hair out so badly it looks like straw! Would love to learn of one that doesn’t cause the dryness.

[@ironrose01]

@@monas.6839 I know the one made by Love Beauty and Planet doesn't have that ingredient but I haven't tried it so I don't know-how it works.

[@samheart8935]

So the craziest thing happened to me, I stopped using Deva Curl products and WOW! I've gotten so many compliments on my hair!!!😎😍

[@pamcavallero6550]

What do you use now? I bit the bullet and trashed all my Deva Curl products but I’m having a hard time finding something that works for my hair.

[@samheart8935]

What works for me is washing with no poo shampoo and conditioner. I let the conditioner sit on my hair for 5 minutes, rinse in cool water, plop my hair and then add moose, dry my hair with a defuser and scrunch out the crunch. Or I will simply cowash my hair and plop, moose, defuse, and scrunch out the crunch. My hair is short, wavy and thick.

[@kaci8985]

🧡💛💚💙💜🤍🤎💖...Lots of hearts for the one brand wash day hair products. I love one brand wash days too!

[@stuckinthelazycorneragain4016]

I have so many other products that i love but i finally decided to splurge on the Devacurl Ultra Defining Gel about 2 weeks ago? So i got it and was super excited to use it, i used it twice. TWICE! And suddenly I noticed dandruff (which i almost never have) and my hair fall suddenly got waaay worse. I was so confused and then luckily this whole thing blew up a few days ago (at least for real) and I realized it had to be the gel. Obviously it could be other factors too which is why I decided to stop using it and see what happens. I stopped using the gel and my dandruff disappeared almost instantly. Bottom line i’m lucky to have only used it twice even though it affected me immediately. Listen to your hair and scalp, ASAP. Nice to hear your stance on this Courtney!

[@Sunshine691]

I LOVE YOU AND YOUR VIDEOS! I noticed from day one you never spoke about deva curl and that’s what had me coming back. I didn’t have anything against deva curl, but I definitely preferred hearing other recommendations that weren’t just about the brand.

[@Poodlemama2]

THIS is why we love you, Courtney! I don’t think there is a mean bone in your body. It’s very refreshing that you share your experiences, opinions, knowledge & advice but without overreaching or overreacting! I really like it that talking about this was kind of hard because it’s obvious you don’t want to “slam” anyone or take down DevaCurl. The verdict isn’t in yet on so many products we use, & as you point out what works for some may be completely wrong for others. It’s just so darn refreshing to hear common sense here as it has become less common. Thank you, sweet Courtney for proving once again, you’re the one who deserves a listen whenever you talk about these subjects. (You and Dr Dray.) sending blessings to you from another Texas girl! 🌷🌸🌷🤗

[@SwavyCurlyCourtney]

You literally have me in tears!!!! Thank you!!!! Hugs!!!

[@Poodlemama2]

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[@elizabethjones2]

I am so glad You did this video!! I have recommended your videos so many times about all kinds of issues. I cant believe so many people dont have a clue about clarifying to remove the build up of products. Just because they don't have silicones doesn't mean they won't cause buildup. But the only thing I have to say about all this is just do your own research instead of strictly listening to influencers who are only trying to make a pay check. Find ones that actually care (like you). And do your own research!! 💜💜💜💜

[@SwavyCurlyCourtney]

Elizabeth Jones 😭🙏🏻🤗

[@poetinmyheart94]

I mistakenly used a sulfate based shampoo yesterday- the first one I've used in 8 years and my hair honestly feels so soft and flexible. I can actually run my fingers through it without it flumping back into a flat position. Didn't even realise the lack of sulfates was causing my hair to turn stiff and wire-y and my scalp to have so much buildup I've had to wash every 2-3 days...

[@ericapoe]

A That’s great. Which shampoo did you use?

[@ericapoe]

Elizabeth Jones That has been my thoughts exactly. I could never understand the concept of a strict co washing routine.. It is always important to clarify your hair and scalp.

[@allburnedout]

@@ericapoe although you do not need to use sulphates to clarify though do you or am I mistaken?

[@CeciliaF1974]

It seems both no-poo formulations of Wen and DevaCurl causes problems. I wonder if there are duplicate problematic ingredients or processes.

[@Katatawnic]

I used Wen for about three years, with no issues except for the price tag. But I've heard horror stories about Wen, after I'd already stopped using it.

[@kimberlystewart8980]

I have had the bad stroke of luck of using and reacting to both. I can't describe what the wen did to my hair. The easiest way to describe it would be, smother my scalp in sebum and cause my hair to fall out. Then those loose hairs gathered in my hair via static electricity and formed a damned nest in the back. For an entire fall, I tried everything to get this knot out. It just got bigger. And bigger. Finally, when I went home at Christmas, it took my mom 2 hours and a can of anti-static starch to pull it out. The gob of hair was the size of a soft ball and dense. My hair stayed soft, and wavy, through the length, so until I had a giant ball of hair in the back of my head, I just thought it made my scalp greasy. With deva, my hair has turned to straw. My curl, which I've seen hit a 3a (I think it's coiling?!) with a good cut and solid care...is straight. Even changing products and doing intense clarifying and conditioning...it's dry as straw. It feels like I bleached it. My next step is cutting it off and starting growth over with a better cut.

[@ashleyfalk6141]

Because you aren't actually washing your hair with those products. They don't have surfactants or cleansers just oils which causes quite a bit of build up that can kill the hair follicle.

[@KayKayTime]

Even the delight line and their deep conditioners caused major issues with me but luckily I figured out it was the products and stopped using them after only about 4-6 weeks use. I agree that people need to clarify and I have wavy hair so I figured out my hair just does better with sulfates and silicons 🤷🏻‍♀️ but from my experience it was more than just that with the devacurl products. Something adverse in the ingredients

[@lindenpeters2601]

With Wen, it was not just no-poo, but heavy silicones as well. That leaves buildup and more Wen will not get rid of it! Only sulfates remove buildup completely. Wavies and even a few curlies should clarify once a month or so with sulfates, to remove buildup (followed by a deep condition). Otherwise it will ruin your hair.

[@well_however]

Well,your opinion is one of the most adequate. People don't clarify and deva is to blame. Their conditioner are ok,and stylers to some. People were paid for talking about the products and deva changed the influencers. That's the source,not the bad products(my personal opinion ofcourse)

[@daynabailen4331]

I just used the gel while also washing my hair every day with a sulfate shampoo. I have all of the problems people are reporting. There is something wrong.

[@Krysb107]

Build up buster, which is their clarifying shampoo is literally burning people’s scalps. When I used DC, I clarified often and still had issues.

[@well_however]

Well,I used to wash my hair with sulfate-free shampoos and I experienced hair loss. Now I'm using sulphate shampoo and a good silicone free conditioner and it works perfectly. What I meant is that shampoo is to clean the scalp and if u don't clarify the scalp you may have scalp issues. Devacurl buildup buster does not clarify. Styling products and your conditioner do not touch your scalp,so why should it cause shedding? Btw scalp peelings are also a good idea to stimulate growth

[@well_however]

What I mean is that there is a whole big problem with sulphate free cleansers cgm recommends,not only with no-poo or low-poo from devacurl. You may experience scalp issues with any other cgm brand

[@caraziegel7652]

Thank you for such a reasonable post! So many ppl seem to think there is only one way and that they should have to suffer for beauty

[@samanthaflatt6154]

I loved their protein mask, I don’t remember the name right now lol, but it got too expensive to buy all the time so I stopped using it. So glad I never went much farther than that! The one time in my life being broke saved my hair 😂😂😂

[@taylordavis2958]

Some DevaCurl products like the no poo conditioning cleanser have phenoxyethanol which according to the FDA can be a potential neurotoxin, causing skin irritation and can cause vomiting and dehydration in babies. Also, in the no poo lather cleanser has imidazolidinyl urea or diazolidinyl which is a formaldehyde releasing agent. That can cause skin irritation as well.

[@britneychappell1448]

❤️ Your sis and I have the exact same hair and scalp, so I was sitting on the edge of my seat when you started saying what worked for her. I bought some Giovanni today! Can’t wait to see how it goes 😊

[@maureenmoran8998]

Britney Chappell I love Giovanni

[@maisg3513]

Thank you so much for the tips! This was much needed advice on what to do after using Deva curl stylers for months! I didn’t experience hair loss, but my hair wasn’t clumping or defining AT ALL, almost as if I was losing progress with the CGM! I hope starting over again will help. Going to try Mop Top now. Thanks Courtney! 😊

[@ilenet9911]

Mais G after using deva curl for years my hair is now frizzy and dry. I had hair loss but since i stopped on my own about 3 months ago, it started to grow back. I starting using mop top but it doing do anything for my hair. I have 2b curls, but it might not have worked because my hair is so damaged from deva curl products.

[@maisg3513]

Ilene Thailer I’m so sorry your hair is damaged! I hope you find something that works well for you now!

[@ilenet9911]

Mais G thank you. My statement should have read mop top did not work well for my hair.

[@amym.5960]

Great video (I hadn't yet sprung for any DevaCurl but now I'm glad) but wanted to say I love the new shirt!

[@AgentSiegel]

Thank you for being honest about your experience. I just started following you and I am really enjoying your videos.

[@laurenking5080]

I developed SEVERE dandruff on my scalp from using DevaCurl products. I've never had dandruff in my life. I still have scaly patches because I've been alternating Nizoral dandruff shampoo with DC to try to curtail. I thought maybe I needed the low-poo with a little more scrub, but after watching a couple of these, I'm convinced it is the product. I just bought new stuff last week. I hope I'm able to get my money back!

[@The230dirtbikegirl]

Well put. I tried JessIcurl and had a horrible reaction. One use and had itchy scalp, flaky scalp and other issues. We are all unique. What works for one person may not work for us as much as we want it to. Better to toss a product than suffer.

[@cristabaic6554]

I never used Diva Curls but I am following the curly girl method with other traditional things like Inahsi shampoo and conditioner, “Blueberry bliss”leave inn, “AsIAm cowash” and “repair me” hair mask....everything Courtney recommended. During the journey I experienced massive hair loss and I can’t associate with any products or hormonal changes. I used a hair mask that is very easy to make and it saved me. One application so far, used it 5 weeks ago. Aloe Vera leaf and oignions in a blender. Peel off the hard from the aloe Vera leaf, just like an apple. Add one two fistfuls of oignons and dump all in the blender until liquid. Apply on hair, wrap it up and leave it on for one hour or more. Rub it well into scalp ...it is unpleasant to do it and to smell it ...but worth it plenty. Don’t plan anything romantic for at least 24 hours. No more hair loss since. One time girls, worth trying it!

[@ChristieLily35]

Finally another fine/high porosity curly girl!

[@dianashepherd6062]

I used Deva Curl for about as long as your sister, for pretty much the same reason you did. I thought using the entire line for wavy hair would be perfect. But it made my hair frizzy and stringy. I experienced a little more fall out but nothing dramatic. Now I'm back to square one, trying to find stuff that works, but no luck yet.

[@heidihunny4890]

Courtney: many many many many moons ago (1994) Me: Girl I graduated in 1995, shoot I'm an old moon lol

[@chelseapickslay5359]

You dealt with that in such a kind, loving way. 💜 (by the way, what are your favorite tv shows? 😊)

[@journ8678]

by far the most informative video i’ve watched on this issue

[@jenhooper3554]

Very well said Courtney!! Positive and informative as always!!🤗❤️

[@Silviecka]

[@ginaschnathorst1674]

Courtney, have you heard about the app DirtyTalk? It rates thousands of personal care items, including hair care products, on a green, yellow, or red system. It is amazing and truly eye opening!!!!

[@luciagarcia5272]

Please, please, watch Dr. Dray's video on this topic. She posted it a couple days ago. She also touches about 'co-wash'. I also developed SD, just by choosing a 'natural' shampoo with a sodium coco sulfate. So, yes, I was shampooing, never used the 'co-wash' method, and still developed very serious sebhorreic dermatitis and it is cronic. You can only control it with the right medicated shampoo.

[@sewphisticate]

I am so glad I am not the only one whose hair didn’t like DevaCurl products. I am 13 months into my curly hair journey and am still learning what does and doesn’t work for my hair. I am a 2b-2c wavy with delusions of waking up a 3a someday 😁. My favorite single brand routine is with LUS brands Love Your Curls formula ❤️

[@uginiopaka3376]

This is my first video from this channel and I gotta say, what a personality! xD

[@theresas2520]

I spent tons of money on Deva Curl. I couldn't figure out why my hair was getting more fragile and thinner. More hair loss in the shower too. I thought it was because a lot of their products have protein. I haven't used it in several months now and my hair is feeling & looking better.

[@BrightStar818]

I needed this today. I bought a new shampoo that I think will be great for my hair but I’ve been putting off starting to use it because I already have multiple full-size bottles open in the shower and I didn’t want to add another without finishing one first 😩 but it’s keeping me from trying a product that could really help my scalp issues. Time to get over it and get rid of what I don’t need!

[@vaskylark]

You know, I couldn't afford Deva products. Way, way too expensive for me! Instead I looked at reviews of products in my budget and the reason I wasn't like you and was like "If I want to be a curly girl I got to try Deva products," was because I found this awesome KZbinr, who taught me HOW and WHY my curls aren't popping like they should be. She taught me about the balance between moisture and protein and it was less about having to use this product or that product because we all have different textured hair so what works for me doesn't work for someone else and instead it was all about making my hair healthy and in that state my hair would shine and my curls would pop. That person was YOU Courtney! Now a few months later after starting my journey to find out just how curly my hair really is once it isn't a damaged, awful, dry, color-damaged nest of blonde straw I have HEALTHY hair and come to find out my healthy hair is pretty, and not 2b/2c waves but 3A spirals that bounce! I'm so glad I found you first in my hair journey and stuck with you because so, so, so many of those curly girl influencers were pushing Deva products but you explained to me how to fix my damaged hair and what was really important was balance (Olaplex #3 really did do wonders for me and left me shocked at just how curly I really was but it's the only product I swear by. The rest can be bought at Walgreens or Target because I'm not rich and I like to switch it up! Thank you so, so much! Keep doing what you're doing. You're better than the other curly girl hair channels imho. :)

[@SwavyCurlyCourtney]

Awe thank you!!!

[@nancycompier]

Thanks for the video! I guess I’m lucky in that like you, Devacurl never worked for me so I stopped using the product and just lived with the product junkie guilt. I definitely remember the No-Poo gave me the red bumps and itchy scalp though so I’m glad I stopped using them before I had major damage.

[@20hazel14]

They might say it doesn't cause breakage but it did in my experience. I was experiencing a ton of hair shedding in the shower. But I thought it was because I wash every 3-6 days and I was alternating Low poo delight and one condition delight with it's a 10 shampoo and GVP conditioning balm, but since I have stopped using Devacurl at all in the past few weeks because of everyone coming out with these videos, I have experienced very little breakage with the same it's a 10 shampoo and GVP conditioner as well as the Maui Moisture line

[@trudybuchanan6490]

I have an easy recipe for laundry soap. I have been using it for almost 7 years. Boil 4 Cups of water, then stir in 3 Tbsp borax and 3 Tbsp washing soda until completely dissolved. Stir in 2 Tbsp Dawn Ultra dishwashing liquid. Fill a clean gallon sized container (I use an old vinegar jug) half-way with cold water, then pour in your soap mixture. Fill the rest of the way with more cold water. I use this to refill my old laundry detergent bottle (because it's easier to pour and has the convenient measuring cap). I pour one capful in with the laundry and also fill the dispenser. You're basically using twice as much but it costs pennies to make so no big deal. For stains, I pour some into a small spray bottle (about 6 oz) then add about a tablespoon of Dawn and swirl it around. Spray it on and rub it in, then wash. It works on most stains.

[@carmingreen1514]

unfortunately dawn dishwashing liquid is poison

[@burtnh88]

I agree, I stopped using devacurl years ago because I cant stand the fragrance !

[@tanyatucker51]

You rock Courtney! This was a great video!❤❤❤

[@jacindafreeman1898]

I find your videos so helpful and informative. Thank you

[@chaoticoverdrive27]

I always hated wasting stuff too but I’m learning to let go of that guilt. It’s totally fine to stop using something that sucks and just get rid of it. Just try something else. :)

[@mariananeiva6757]

Nex videos: - products that you use - Products that your sister use - How often you do rice water rinse, apple cider vinegar and how often you only hydrate your hair and how often you use oils on the hair (your hair “cronogram”)

[@susanmcinnis3276]

Thank you for being a voice of reason...

[@roxyroxii1152]

Hi Courtney I am a new subscriber and have been enjoying your content for a while because of your techniques. I've started to squish to condish now. I too love the one brand wash days. I like that you try different brands because not everything is available in every country and still we get to see different products and their resulting style. Please keep it up!

[@bethanyjung4540]

💕💕 one brand wash days!!

[@CarlieQuinn]

I was skeptical but then it happened to my mom and I was FLOORED by the issues she was having and how much they improved after she stopped. I can’t quite find a product that makes my curls look as good as diva curl did but I also don’t want to potentially have these issues if I keep using it. Recommendations for a good light curl cream and styling gel welcome!

[@feliciabethea2211]

Never tried Deva Curl. It was too expensive for me. I LOVE your one brand wash days!! Have you tried Treluxe?? Its available at Walgreens, and right now are having a great sale!!

[@michite7435]

LOVE TRELUXE!!

[@michite7435]

Whole foods has 50% off sale!

[@millje7]

i had used diva curl products every so often, and about two months ago i started only using dc products. i didn’t notice it at first but after switching to a different brand, i realized my hair is much drier than before! one night i plopped my hair overnight in a tshirt and woke up to my whole head red and irritated.. i thought maybe it was just my fault or i was doing something wrong, but now i feel so much better knowing it wasn’t just me! i was so disappointed considering how expensive their products are, but i’m glad that i didn’t see some of the more harsh effects like the hair loss :(( edit: i’d also like to note that since i stopped using diva curl products, my hair looks so much healthier and shinier! yeah i had more volume with dc, but my hair didn’t look nearly as nice.

[@elizabethgridley8587]

I just started CGM two weeks ago. I’m fine, 2B/C wavy, high porosity, and low density. I almost always air dried my hair and don’t really use any stylers so my hair was in pretty decent condition. So, I started with Cantu products for about a week, and had stringy greasy hair that lost definition quickly. With this buildup, I did the Suave clarifying shampoo and a Maui Moisture deep conditioning. The next day, I tried Giovanni’s TTT, smooth as silk conditioner and LA Hold gel....The day after I had a red scalp, itching and irritation. My hair was also soft, dry and lost all curl. What?! In the meantime, I had ordered Devacurl’s sampler pack for wavies and so decided to try that today. I had the best wash day ever! Best curls ever! Then, I just found out about the scandal. Don’t know what to think and my scalp is still irritated from the Giovanni products...I think? Suggestions? Help!

[@JessicaPandino]

I've used the main DevaCurl conditioner for a while with no problems. But then I bought a few more of the products and noticed my hair got weird (it felt the same as when it did when I went back to silicones for a while). Now I feel like I have to start all over on finding something that works. Thank you for the suggestions! I also hate to not use up products that I buy, but if I continue using it and it does more damage I'm sure I'd regret it.

[@stefanieblanche2748]

Loving your positive attitude! I think the curly girl method is good for the hair itself but not good for the scalp. The scalp has to be really cleansed. Would you do a video about all your favorite cleansers/clarifying shampoos?

[@roxyperson8328]

For a good natural laundry detergent I really like Puracy. I buy it off amazon. It’s really a great price and washes well. It doesn’t have a smell so I add a fabric softener. You definitely don’t have to I just like my clothes to have a smell. I really like the bottle that it comes in.

[@wendybrda.4136]

Glad the few products I purchased from a Deva stylist over the last 2 years just didn't work for me (like you, I thought it was simply an hair type incompatibility issue). Dodged that bullet! Feeling so bad/sad for the KZbinrs I've watched who are suffering from this line. Shame on them! (love all the t-shirts you wear, btw) ;-)

[@marcy07067]

I've enjoyed your channel and your is very pretty! A few comments. Devacurl was not the first line that catered to curly girls, it was Ouidad. They've had a lot of product formulation changes and additions over the years, but they always still advocated for using a small amount of shampoo. I wonder how much of this hair loss is from the devacurl product itself or from the actual no poo method. At some point if you get buildup on your scalp and you happen to be in oilier skin or scalp type I could totally see where that would become a problem. I can also see where it can be a problem. If you are a very sensitive skinned person because the botanical ingredients can be very irritating. The same thing happened with Wen, often sold on QVC. It's another nopoo type product, And a bunch of women had hair loss from that as well.

[@marthar1254]

Thanks for weighing in on the Deva Curl issues. I feel a little stronger than you re: even trying Deva Curl products now. I only used them in September, and had bad reactions like your sister, but having used them for a short time, my hair isn't recovering no matter what I try to help it. It's as if it was chemically burned. It has lost it's curl pattern, is super dried out and frizzy, and also Matt's and snarls very easily. I just mention this briefly because I guess I'm not the only one experiencing lasting hair damage even after using the products for a short time. I'm inclined to agree with a theory proposed that something has changed; the formulations or the plastic containers, or the way they're stored perhaps in heat where chemical changes could occur. So for me, it wasn't just a matter of discontinuing them. The damage was done already, and it seems to have damaged it permanently according to a stylist (who ironically was a Deva Curl specialist). I'm very sad. I so appreciate you bringing this subject up, though. I also want to quickly say I LOVE your videos. I only found them around December, and have watched almost all of them and am subscribed. My hair was very similar to yours so I could really relate to your journey! I am grateful for your suggestions of different products to try, an truly appreciate your upbeat, positive, safe approach for us. And I love your shirts! You've been a positive influence, and a great help. Thanks for everything!! I may have to do a haircut & start over, but I'm grateful I now have the knowledge to take good care of my wavy-curly hair no matter what the length so I'm going to choose to stay positive about my situation. 😊 I look forward to Future videos, and I love one brand washdays, too!

[@SwavyCurlyCourtney]

M Roycakes I am so truly sorry that this is happened to you. You have my deepest condolences, and I am sending you giant Internet hugs. Have you by any chance had time to contact diva curl and share your experience with them? I feel like sharing any, and all information you can with the company will better help them get to the bottom of the issue. Again I’m so so sorry this has happened.

[@marthar1254]

@@SwavyCurlyCourtney No I have to contacted them yet, though a number of people in the Facebook support group do and got a rather cookie cutter response saying there's nothing wrong with their products. I am planning on submitting my situation for the lawsuit possibly, and also to a link I got to the FDA. Mostly I just want to be supportive to the people in the support group who e had far worse damage than mine. I also, like you want to tell people to not be afraid to stop immediately using product that is harming you, to trust your instincts that it's not you that's causing it, and to be cautious about using Deva Curl until they get to the bottom of this. Thanks for your kindness. Maybe it's a blessing people finally came out and shared their stories so that more could be saved from possible damage.